Radio 3Fourteen - The Metaphysics of Blood

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 Find peace and find strength.

00:01:01.920 Then after you regroup, you can pick up that sword again.

00:01:04.900 I have a very special guest today, Frank De Silva, who is the author of many articles,

00:01:09.740 books, essays, and even poetry, which have accrued over a lifetime of intense searching,

00:01:14.820 challenging the great ideas of politics, philosophy, history, social science, and matters of race.

00:01:20.720 His search for truth has known no limits and often has taken him into areas of life that

00:01:25.380 few have traveled.

00:01:26.880 Mr. De Silva has been a loyal supporter of the struggle for the future of the West,

00:01:30.860 both in its body and most importantly, in its spirit.

00:01:34.260 Race is not simply a physical quality or biological entity, but each race possesses a racial soul.

00:01:40.440 We belong to a spiritual race.

00:01:42.800 It's no coincidence that each one of you was born into the race that you were,

00:01:46.520 and each spiritual race manifests a different psychological, cultural, and metaphysical

00:01:51.860 essence that holds the answers to your past, your present, and your future.

00:01:56.700 That is why each race must see their preservation as a moral cause,

00:02:00.300 a spiritual quest, and a sacred truth to be respected.

00:02:03.800 It is for this reason the subject of race will never cease to exist.

00:02:07.720 Now, I want you to all open your mind during this two-hour discussion that has many twists

00:02:12.080 and turns, because you'll hear a term that, although still relatively new,

00:02:16.520 has been given a bad association in your mind by our detractors.

00:02:20.800 That phrase is white nationalism.

00:02:23.720 And nationalism, or ethnostate, but it's time to deprogram the associations that arise with

00:02:29.080 these words.

00:02:30.160 As Frank will tell you, each ethnic group must at all costs liberate themselves from globalism,

00:02:35.400 which would deny all distinct life forms from existing on the planet,

00:02:39.520 turning true diversity into that of the equality of the slave.

00:02:43.400 So sit back and relax, and let the spirit take you.

00:02:46.400 Welcome, Frank.

00:02:47.040 Thanks for being here.

00:02:48.620 Thank you very much, Lana.

00:02:49.900 Well, I read your book, The Rise of the West, and it was incredible.

00:02:52.780 I'm not just saying that, but it was one of the most moving,

00:02:55.360 powerfully inspiring books I've ever read.

00:02:57.500 So thank you.

00:02:58.780 Oh, thank you.

00:02:59.560 And I hope the folk feel the same way.

00:03:02.000 Well, for me, it's been a spiritual experience waking up to folk consciousness.

00:03:04.860 And I know it's been for you for many years now.

00:03:07.880 So what first inspired you to write The Rise of the West along with your other titles?

00:03:12.660 The impetus for Rise of the West was a dream.

00:03:16.320 And a pretty interesting diversion if you've got a few minutes.

00:03:20.420 And that is, four o'clock in the morning, I woke up and I had the entire work written

00:03:25.440 in my mind.

00:03:26.300 And I rolled out of bed.

00:03:28.420 And I just wrote down as brief a summary as possible, went back to sleep.

00:03:34.800 And when I woke up again, I just started the project.

00:03:38.260 But essentially, everything in the work was in my dream.

00:03:43.300 Wow, that's fascinating.

00:03:44.680 Well, I was thinking a good place to begin would be to first discuss race culture,

00:03:48.540 what it is and its purpose, as it is the basis of government, which we'll discuss.

00:03:52.080 Is that a good place to begin?

00:03:53.840 Yes, ma'am.

00:03:54.860 Race culture is the organic definition of both the synthesis of spirit and body.

00:04:02.020 A culture is only defined by the blood or members of that tribe that created it.

00:04:07.420 So that organic momentum over generations, perhaps thousands or tens of thousands of generations,

00:04:14.720 creates what we now consider culture.

00:04:17.440 So by definition, race culture represents the organic extension of a folk or people.

00:04:25.540 And that can be any people.

00:04:27.880 Isn't there also a metaphysical element to this?

00:04:31.720 Oh, indeed there is.

00:04:33.020 In my opinion, blood is the spiritual quality of form and function.

00:04:38.860 And whether or not we were gifted this by God or the gods is a matter of debate for another

00:04:45.420 time.

00:04:45.980 But the essential quality, when two people merge together and create a spirit, whether

00:04:52.940 we were here before like the Celts believed, not like the Indic reincarnation, but the Celtic

00:05:00.180 determinism, is that we are both extension and memory of those who came before.

00:05:06.020 And that is a spiritual quality.

00:05:09.060 The race memory, in Rise of the West, I use the term race memory.

00:05:13.920 That is by itself a metaphysical description.

00:05:17.580 But when you are engaged in two or more people around a campfire or in a group discussion,

00:05:24.460 you'll feel and sense a term that you may be familiar with called synchronicity.

00:05:29.660 Oh, yeah.

00:05:30.280 Synchronicity is fate, destiny, the gods, whatever it is that brings people together in those unique

00:05:40.080 moments in their life cycle.

00:05:43.320 And some of the most powerful and introspective and proactive positions are created at that

00:05:49.000 point.

00:05:49.340 The great writers, women and men, have had a muse of some type that is also a spiritual

00:05:56.380 implication.

00:05:57.560 When something greater than yourself impregnates the discussion with fruit that bears, you know,

00:06:05.500 another living creation.

00:06:08.700 And that can be put to paper, that can be a spokesman or a spokeswoman.

00:06:15.460 These kind of things are all part of the dynamic of race.

00:06:19.020 Yeah, it's interesting to see how each race manifests its soul, which is seen in that particular

00:06:23.940 culture.

00:06:24.500 And in our folk, we see something unique and multifaceted, which I think is incredibly diverse,

00:06:29.820 don't you think?

00:06:30.440 Yeah, every race is special.

00:06:33.160 And this is, we'll get into this more, you know, the dichotomy between, we look at ourselves

00:06:39.080 as being unique.

00:06:40.120 So I'll run with that word.

00:06:41.920 And I've had discussions with peers from Europe and the United States, South America, South Africa.

00:06:48.600 And the bottom line is the old nomenclature of we are the very best.

00:06:55.140 We are, it sets us up for this supremacy thing, for the, you are a supremacist, right?

00:07:01.260 So I will go with the word unique.

00:07:04.860 And by definition, you and I, and those that we love and hold dear, we are unique to each

00:07:11.540 other and we provide a distinct element on this earth.

00:07:16.540 So I'm willing to fight for that.

00:07:19.840 And I love it.

00:07:21.240 I love our children, our old people, and most of us who are in this, I don't know if we

00:07:28.600 can call it a movement or what kind of euphemism you want to use, but the collective consciousness

00:07:34.920 as a unique people is worthy of our efforts.

00:07:41.140 So what elements do you think are required for a people, a race culture to survive and

00:07:45.840 to grow?

00:07:46.300 Extension is probably the best word that I resonate with.

00:07:54.140 When you say to extend yourself, you're familiar with the 14 words, right?

00:07:57.900 Yes.

00:07:58.920 Okay.

00:07:59.460 That has been around for 30 years and it's not used a whole lot.

00:08:04.400 So let's just use it again.

00:08:06.300 The 14 words is a very simple aphorism, which says we must secure the existence of our people

00:08:12.780 and a future for white children.

00:08:14.280 That is very proactive.

00:08:17.600 And the whole point of being in rhetorical circles like we are this morning is that we

00:08:25.100 can encourage each other to think and to create like red ice creations.

00:08:32.100 These nomenclatures, these words, they should be proactive.

00:08:37.500 So everything, everything that we do, everything that we see should be a positive step forward.

00:08:47.040 And if you don't mind, we talked or you mentioned you were reading Guadalupe phase, why we fight,

00:08:53.680 right?

00:08:54.040 Mm-hmm.

00:08:54.980 I don't know what page this is, but if you would allow me, this is a quote from why we

00:09:00.760 fight, and I really, really resonate with this, reflection must serve action and is not to

00:09:09.020 be confused with metaphysical tautologies.

00:09:12.300 And he was speaking, that was unquote, speaking here, he was speaking of the over-intellectual

00:09:17.860 positions in the worship of Ebala and a lot of our intellectual leaders, both in Europe

00:09:23.220 and the United States.

00:09:24.720 But as you started this discussion with spirituality, reflection, by definition, is a spiritual

00:09:32.360 quality that we all possess.

00:09:34.420 Not all of us can actually harness this.

00:09:36.700 And this is kind of an evolution that I've been going through the last several years has

00:09:41.240 been to, when you slow down, and I'm very active, I have seven fire signs, it's kind

00:09:47.720 of hard for me to reflect sometimes, but if you think about it, Lana, reflection doesn't

00:09:55.180 have to be a masturbatory intellectualization.

00:09:58.320 Mm-hmm.

00:09:59.040 To be reflective must also serve the action.

00:10:04.000 The action is the survival of our people, right?

00:10:06.600 Yeah.

00:10:07.300 Well, now it seems that we have a culture that's developing beside our true one, that it's not

00:10:13.500 based on nature, it's a duality, as you say.

00:10:15.980 Can you talk about that?

00:10:17.720 Uh, specifically, you want me to discuss duality proper, or the interrelationship between our

00:10:24.500 present day and our past?

00:10:25.840 Correct.

00:10:27.120 Okay.

00:10:28.200 Um, yeah, this will be interesting.

00:10:31.080 If we go back in time, whether it's to our Nordic roots, or our Celtic, Teutonic, whatever,

00:10:37.240 and we are all one people, but the different locations manifest themselves differently, but

00:10:42.360 the same similar elements exist, that we are a very primal racial element.

00:10:50.280 We resonate with the earth.

00:10:52.020 And I most definitely, and I've always been this way, um, with water, earth, air, and fire.

00:10:58.300 And I heard, I heard one of the other guests, I think Henrik was, um, was, uh, interviewing

00:11:05.280 the individual, and he utilized the word atavism in somewhat of a negative, but I disagree, at

00:11:11.960 least by degree, that the closer we are to the natural elements, call it Mother Earth, call

00:11:18.460 it magic, call it whatever you will, the racial soul.

00:11:23.680 Uh, but the deeper we are imbued with that resonance, the more powerful our outlook to

00:11:31.360 the future and to each other really is.

00:11:33.980 And proof of that is when you go to a rock concert and you hear a real nice riff, your

00:11:40.400 body's moving, you feel that power, but then you listen to a ballad.

00:11:44.280 And if the words are cognizant with the way you feel as a mother or a woman or a father

00:11:53.840 and a man, you have children there, when those feelings are imbued in the context of music

00:12:00.840 and lyrics, that's when people are willing to extend themselves and be courageous and be

00:12:09.060 willing to sacrifice, not just the intellectual masturbatory relationship that the, the, uh,

00:12:16.780 Western Europe and the United States find themselves.

00:12:19.160 And we have, we, we don't have a dearth of intellectuals.

00:12:22.240 We never have, Lana.

00:12:23.060 For the last 45 years, we've had some of the greatest intellectuals in the United States

00:12:28.920 and for hundreds of years in Europe.

00:12:30.800 And only those few moments have we actually stopped and reflected and said, you know,

00:12:37.520 we got to do something about this.

00:12:39.780 So I'm with Faye on that, that reflection has to be a proactive part of the equation.

00:12:46.140 And so does the naturalistic elements of our spiritual life.

00:12:51.820 And it seems that we've kind of gone away from that in the West and that's why we're on

00:12:55.580 this other track.

00:12:56.500 I mean, natural man doesn't seem to be found in the city, if you know what I mean.

00:13:02.100 Yeah.

00:13:02.620 The irony is that there's a lot of enclaves, um, in California where I'm at and I've been

00:13:09.220 all to almost every state in the union and you'll find a disconnect, um, in most of the

00:13:15.560 metropolitan areas and in Rise of the West, I call that the Cosmop, the Cosmopolis, that,

00:13:21.280 that, that, that almost Babel instinct to be brought together in this grand diversity.

00:13:27.380 Everybody likes to, to talk about, but directly and indirectly, indirectly, there is a disconnect.

00:13:35.080 You have the, the various elements in the coexisting mentality of today's world is problematic.

00:13:42.740 And I've been going over that for many, many years, the last three or four years really

00:13:48.440 carefully.

00:13:49.440 And while there's a certain element of coexistence that, you know, to be a realistic person,

00:13:55.660 you have to acknowledge, we have to coexist at some level, but that doesn't mean that we

00:14:01.840 have to take the inferior position or even the superior.

00:14:05.120 But if somebody, if somebody threatens you with their race culture and they want to overtake

00:14:12.940 you or they want to supersede you either through assimilation or whatever, comes a point you have

00:14:19.340 to stand up and say, you know what?

00:14:20.980 No, I'm going to draw a line in the sand and I'm sorry, you just can't step over that.

00:14:26.360 And that's where the American West finds itself.

00:14:29.500 Europe, Europe still has a very healthy, um, egocentric culture.

00:14:35.120 Uh, self-awareness, but man, they're actually worse off than, than we are.

00:14:41.580 Look at France, in Hungary, look at Poland, even some of the Nordic countries are being

00:14:47.020 inundated relative to their national population.

00:14:51.000 And, you know, as well as anybody else, you know, that this reaction can be problematic.

00:14:59.500 And that's why people like yourself, hopefully this discussion and all of your interviewees

00:15:05.620 are bringing a discussion to this that is moderate and focused at the same time.

00:15:12.260 No more reactionaries.

00:15:14.100 And that's, that's one thing I want people to really reflect amongst themselves and within

00:15:21.200 themselves is that no more reactionary screamers and, you know, yelling in the theater and,

00:15:27.420 and, and all this angst and all this energy.

00:15:29.660 I think we're beyond that.

00:15:31.580 And we have the historical impetus that's actually a qualified presence in our life.

00:15:37.860 You included, you're just now reading a work that was developed 30, you know, 30 years ago,

00:15:46.200 let's say 25, 30 years ago.

00:15:48.060 And then before that I was introduced.

00:15:51.140 And many of us of that generation were introduced to people who had spent 40 or 50 years doing

00:15:56.700 this.

00:15:57.040 So by extension, we have a historical foundation.

00:16:01.980 Now it is up to us to utilize our minds, our spirit, and our proactive nature in an intelligent

00:16:09.680 and forthright fashion.

00:16:11.080 And we can do this.

00:16:11.960 I tried to do this in the eighties by developing this, what I used to call the corporate mentality.

00:16:18.340 And that was, we need our own buildings, Lana.

00:16:20.480 We need our own source of income from the folk, uh, as an exchange process.

00:16:26.680 And I, I talked about this with another interview I did a couple of years ago, and I will reiterate

00:16:32.980 this.

00:16:33.580 We need to become a professional body like everybody else.

00:16:36.820 You know, I, I realized that, you know, we're, we're under the gun and, uh, we don't have

00:16:42.040 an NAACP, you know, and we don't have, uh, an ADL, we don't have an eye breath and all

00:16:47.460 that, but we can start it.

00:16:50.060 We have the infrastructure here and, um, you know, it just takes a couple of signatures,

00:16:56.040 start a corporation and do it.

00:16:57.920 And we are doing it.

00:16:59.140 There's so many young people that are really, uh, on board with this.

00:17:03.420 I'm very proud of all these efforts.

00:17:05.300 Well, you see a lot of white student councils popping up and we never saw those before.

00:17:09.860 So that's a good sign.

00:17:11.400 Yes, it is.

00:17:12.260 And that particular generation, um, really fascinating.

00:17:16.160 Um, the young people that I meet between 18 and 25 just blows my mind because they are

00:17:23.160 so way ahead of the game.

00:17:25.140 These kids are learning about genetics, uh, with Dr. Watson.

00:17:29.380 Uh, of course, uh, he's, you know, he's paid a serious price for this beautiful scientific

00:17:35.740 research.

00:17:36.440 Um, and he's selling his Nobel peace prize.

00:17:40.240 He doesn't have.

00:17:40.860 Yeah.

00:17:41.300 It's amazing to survive.

00:17:43.160 It's amazing.

00:17:43.720 It's just, it's a travesty, but these kids, men and women alike, um, are really embracing

00:17:50.300 evolutionary psychology genetics.

00:17:52.420 They're asking questions about eugenics.

00:17:54.920 Once again, what does it mean to become noble through the act of procreation?

00:18:01.320 You know, these are, these are questions that we haven't asked for almost a hundred years.

00:18:05.080 So, and these, and they don't know anything about white nationalism or pro European ethnocentric

00:18:11.700 politics at all.

00:18:13.200 They're just in, you know, today's educational system, but they're questioning these things.

00:18:18.980 So as far as I'm concerned, we're already way, way on the right track.

00:18:23.980 I'd agree.

00:18:24.620 Well, every man, every culture has a need for territory boundaries and it's perfectly natural.

00:18:30.500 It's always existed.

00:18:31.340 But for some reason, this modern thinking has led us to believe that this kind of nationalism

00:18:35.440 is going to create some sort of mistrust in global conflict, but, but does it?

00:18:40.840 No, that's a very, very well, well said position.

00:18:45.360 The bottom line is, uh, recently I was having a discussion about the word nationalism and that,

00:18:51.360 that has a certain element of fire.

00:18:55.500 You know, it resonates both a negative and a positive, but for this discussion, the,

00:19:01.340 and, and I know we're preaching to the choir, but for those people who are coming on board

00:19:05.760 for the first time, perhaps to have a nation simply means that you have a folk, that you

00:19:11.340 have a people and boundaries come and go, but your blood remains.

00:19:16.500 And nation, when people talk with pride about the American nation, as you and I both know,

00:19:24.220 this country, whether people like it or not, was a European experiment.

00:19:29.980 It doesn't matter how many non-whites, uh, were or were not on the continent, you know,

00:19:36.560 when we ultimately developed the constitution or the Articles of Confederation, it doesn't matter.

00:19:42.320 What does matter is that the ethos of a European people, that spiritual quality of,

00:19:48.140 uh, conceptualizing a nation, being located in the same nation with the same waterways,

00:19:55.940 the same mountains, the same sky, the same ocean, uh, these things are metaphysical by implication.

00:20:04.940 And in a practical standpoint, they're the only things that qualify what could be termed a manifest

00:20:11.280 destiny or that genetic impulse to move and explore, um, to create where you're at. I mean,

00:20:18.880 you know, nature abhors a vacuum, right? And she is a very, very, uh, civilized creature and she

00:20:26.060 doesn't care who resides with her. She will destroy you if you just sit on your laurels,

00:20:33.360 you know what I mean? But if you want to settle yourself, if you want to build a home,

00:20:38.920 if you want to live in conjunction, not, not in conflict with nature, but in conjunction with

00:20:44.880 her, Frank Lloyd Wright was a perfect example of a individual who would build with stone and wood

00:20:51.840 with the lay of the land. So our conceptualization, I know we're always criticized as being all these

00:20:57.880 lineal thinkers and we destroy the planet. Well, you know, that's as much garbage as it took the air

00:21:04.400 for these people to, to talk about that. We, we have synchronous, synchronistically lived with nature.

00:21:12.260 Most of the, of all the epochs that we have been on this planet. And yes, we've made some mistakes,

00:21:17.880 but with time, with a proper government, with a proper, um, national racial outlook, we can,

00:21:26.860 we can straighten this out. I agree. Well, you just brought up the American constitution and I wanted

00:21:31.340 to get your take on that. Was it right for our people? Well, the constitution. Yeah. Okay.

00:21:39.340 Absolutely. That was written for and by our people. It was written for ourselves and our posterity,

00:21:45.460 correct? Yeah. Okay. So that document, when I talk to black nationalists or, um, you know,

00:21:52.160 various nonwhite nationalistic or, or ethno based groups, um, for the most part, they have no problem

00:22:00.820 with that document being written by and for white Europeans. The problem comes when they, up to a

00:22:09.960 point are reasonably acquainted with the history and the documentation and the spirituality, if you will.

00:22:16.040 But when they look at themselves and, and their enclaves, like in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York,

00:22:22.220 whatever, their tribal mechanisms are different than ours. And so by definition, they run into a

00:22:29.800 conflict between a natural predisposition to think and act in a certain way while juxtaposed against our

00:22:38.600 more perhaps lineal and spiritual outlook. And so I fully support individuals of these race cultures that

00:22:47.180 while they can give us respect, they really do require their own, um, relative constitution,

00:22:57.160 their own dynamic for their own government, for their own nation state. Well, however you want to

00:23:03.620 term that, but this natural balkanization that's occurred in the United States is very problematic.

00:23:09.660 And so we might as well just figure a way out. Well, I mean, we need to all sit down with these other

00:23:14.940 people without fear or favor and treat them equally. Like, you know, they're going to treat us

00:23:20.060 equally and just sit down and say, look, here's the question. What are the answers? And that would

00:23:25.620 be a true racial dialogue. Unlike, um, Holder and the rest of these guys who talk about a dialogue,

00:23:31.720 but they just want a dialogue on their own terms, not on the terms of what's elementally the very

00:23:38.720 best for their people and for our people. Yeah. You've said the government is the outward

00:23:43.580 manifestation of its race culture. And I'd agree. And, you know, I'm coming from,

00:23:47.680 I used to think of myself as an, an anarchist, but now I see that it's too loosey goosey. We need to

00:23:53.400 have some organization to be able to combat the forces that we're up against. Wouldn't you agree?

00:23:58.500 Yeah, I agree with that, Lana. And I've known a lot of anarchists and bless their hearts. They,

00:24:03.020 they're very, they're very emotional. Uh, but if you, if you try to pin them down on a, on a worldview,

00:24:09.700 on an extended, um, delineation of an ethos that would continue anarchist anarchism, it won't work

00:24:19.320 because they have no development plan. Um, no qualified infrastructure based on intelligence

00:24:25.860 planning and whatnot. It's pretty much reactionary. And, and look, I understand why they're upset.

00:24:32.280 And, and a lot of these men and women are very, very good people, but there comes a time when all

00:24:37.960 that energy that you just like shoot out into the netherworld because you're so angry or you feel

00:24:44.020 disenfranchised, you got to calm down. And like Faye said, you have to reflect. And after that

00:24:49.940 reflection is done, then continue to go forward. And white nationalism is that opportunity to do that.

00:24:57.100 Well, I agree. And also when I think in terms of white nationalism, we do incorporate voluntary

00:25:01.560 principles. You're voluntarily there because you love your folk and you actually want to contribute

00:25:06.760 to something. So that is the ultimate voluntary society in my eyes.

00:25:10.960 Good point, Lana. Yes. Very well said.

00:25:13.560 Well, before we discuss what government is best suited for our folk, what do you predict happening

00:25:17.520 in America? What are the stages before it's going to break up? I know you outlined 14 points in which

00:25:22.220 I agree with in the rise of the West.

00:25:24.140 Right. Okay. So let me, I'm doing this on the fly. I don't usually get a lot of notes.

00:25:29.700 So in lieu, people are going to have to read the book and I encourage them to, for the first time

00:25:34.780 in 40 years, to really start showing a very positive sense of exchange. You know, a lot of authors,

00:25:41.820 including myself, really do require the folk to show us that support. And part of that support is

00:25:49.280 financial remuneration. And I remember back in the eighties, we went through this same thing and

00:25:54.640 you know, it's okay to volunteer and give of yourself and all that. But if we're going to go

00:26:00.080 forward, then we got to start paying for this ourselves. So with that said, the infrastructure

00:26:07.600 of the United States is, as we all know, is a disparate membrane, if you will, of these various

00:26:16.200 colonies, black, brown, yellow, red, white. And while it may or may not have been, I mean, look,

00:26:24.400 I'm not going to argue the point there were not Negroes brought to or Africans brought to the United

00:26:29.700 States or Chinese for labor. And, but so were the Irish and so were French and the Swedes and all

00:26:36.580 this. Okay. So the majority was us, but as soon as the cultural norming occurred, i.e. we started to

00:26:45.260 develop townships and we built churches and we started to actually physically manifest the race

00:26:52.040 culture. The other members of, of the, um, the disparate races, they were kind of organically

00:27:01.540 placed in their own settlements or they were servants, indentured servants, and then eventually

00:27:07.400 slaves and whatnot. We have to get beyond all of this nomenclature about master and slave and,

00:27:14.380 and all that. I, I didn't have any slaves, neither did you. So bottom line is I do see the fabric of the

00:27:20.320 country, um, disintegrating. And it's been disintegrating before I was born and before you

00:27:25.400 were born. And this angst that everybody is feeling in the country, this, this, um, inability to

00:27:33.020 communicate and to feel safe in one's own township because, oh my God, it might be all ethnocentric

00:27:41.020 European. Um, nobody disqualifies the, uh, black enclaves in the large cities or the Asians or whatever.

00:27:49.460 So with that being said, there is going to be this centrifugal force that's completely going to

00:27:57.240 separate us. And that's either going to be very violent or it's going to be done in an intellectual,

00:28:02.340 um, and reflective way. So I do see the disintegration of the nation having already occurred

00:28:09.860 and everybody's trying to bandaid everything. And, and we have certain religious techniques,

00:28:15.760 uh, that want to qualify the world as, you know, one, one organism, you know, that love has to be

00:28:22.900 shared. That's going to conquer and all that. Right. But in our own folk community, I would

00:28:29.200 absolutely concur with that. I mean, to have a sense of love and respect for your quote, fellow man

00:28:37.720 is the way we all want to live. You and I, and everybody we, we love and hold dear. We don't

00:28:44.480 want conflict. And I'll be the first to kind of like jump up and say, you cannot keep a person down

00:28:52.820 or you, if you're talking crap about somebody behind their back, don't gossip. Don't, don't be

00:28:59.980 prejudicial about this position until you've heard the whole thing out. These are, these are elements of

00:29:06.600 our people that we offer to each other when we founded the American experiment where it becomes

00:29:13.500 problematic. And, and I'm, I'm kind of weaving this around is that in our modern day, we are very

00:29:20.380 altruistic people and we want to help. We want to encourage, um, the safety and health of our old

00:29:27.760 people and everybody here. Right. But those people take advantage of that altruistic streak,

00:29:34.060 you know, and they want more and they want more. And there's a lot of debate that, you know, we

00:29:39.560 pretty much made these people the way they are by always giving them hand to mouth or whatever. Well,

00:29:46.340 regardless, the future of our country is one, balkanization by fiat or it's balkanization

00:29:54.960 by other means. And that's the territorial imperative is also another part of this discussion,

00:30:01.380 but, um, I'm not, I'm not going to let the territorial imperative is very problematic

00:30:06.940 because there's a certain ethos that is required by a people to even begin to think about that kind

00:30:14.800 of effort. But it is happening naturally. And the different races, which have accumulated

00:30:20.580 significant political power have done that on their own accord, Lana, uh, you got to give

00:30:26.240 these people credit, um, from the NAACP to the B'nai B'rith or whatever. And white people,

00:30:33.360 white Europeans in America are just a little bit too far removed from the actual day-to-day,

00:30:43.180 um, happenings of governmental techniques. We might go to the voting booth and vote,

00:30:50.280 but you're not, I don't see a lot of our people out there trying to, um, pass legislation or, um,

00:30:57.300 getting signatures or whatever. And there's no law that says we can't do that, Lana.

00:31:01.960 That's right.

00:31:02.300 So, so it's just a matter of people not putting themselves in that position. And it's a whole

00:31:09.060 different mindset. You know, when you see quote, the liberals doing this, um, I know when I was younger,

00:31:14.500 I kind of rolled my eyes, you know, it was everything from, from weed to pets, to whales,

00:31:20.420 to whatever. And I'm kind of going, Oh, wow. You know, it's kind of, kind of crazy, but no,

00:31:24.660 they were trying to become a part of the system in a good way. And now granted, Lana, you know,

00:31:31.160 maybe the cards are stacked against everybody that remains to be seen, but they became a part of the

00:31:37.240 process. And guess what? They are in control of multimillion dollar corporations. They are doing

00:31:44.040 some good and they are promoting their own agenda. So white people of America get off of your asses

00:31:52.380 and start to think about how you can do this in your own neighborhood, in your own state,

00:31:59.600 and then the whole country and it will start to congeal. Exactly. Pay attention to where you're

00:32:05.980 donating your money, not to some bullshit charity, but actually do something with it that you can see

00:32:10.680 going on, you know, fund. We need to fund our own movements, our own revolutions. Very good, Lana. Very,

00:32:17.420 very good. And the most easiest way is to pay people when they come to talk to you. And I'm not

00:32:24.020 talking about the common folk. I'm talking about the people who are putting these things together. I

00:32:28.160 remember back in the eighties, um, I used to get into arguments with people. I said, look, you got

00:32:32.700 to pay these guys like 50 bucks or a hundred bucks to pay them for gas. And people were so stingy,

00:32:39.500 Lana. It was just ridiculous. And I, I will, I will be repeating this. This whole concept of exchange

00:32:48.160 is like patting this person on the back and saying, good job. We appreciate your efforts. Now,

00:32:55.240 granted, there's a lot of scammers out there, Lana. There's a lot of people who,

00:32:58.160 they have ulterior motives. Okay. So we watch out for them. We find those people and we kick them on

00:33:03.560 down the stairs. Right. Yep. But those people, men and women alike who are true believers, um,

00:33:11.260 give them that pat on the back. And if they make a little money, um, Hey, that's how, that's what,

00:33:17.500 that's what makes the world go round. And we can talk about spirit all day long, but in this modern

00:33:22.920 world, you know, you have to have it. So anyway, enough said on that. It's true. Money's not evil folks.

00:33:28.160 It's what you do with it that counts. So, and I feel like there's some great researchers out there

00:33:32.980 and I want to support them. I want them to have some wealth and to enjoy life because they're doing

00:33:37.420 such a good service. So I have no problem with that at all. Yeah. Thank you. Because our musicians,

00:33:42.860 our intellectuals, um, our artists, and we have, you know, uh, what's a Bolton wrote a book. Um,

00:33:50.880 Kerry Bolton wrote a book. Psychotic left. No artists of the right. Ah, okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean,

00:33:56.740 he's one of a few guys that has even brought this up. Most of the people quote unquote on the right,

00:34:03.600 um, have to live with terms like fascist and Nazi and all that. And that's a whole other discussion

00:34:10.100 there, but they were beautiful poets and beautiful artists, but nobody gave a rat's ass about them.

00:34:16.340 Right. They, the, a lot of these people died in obscurity, alcoholics, um, suicides and whatnot.

00:34:23.520 And they did that because people were ashamed or they were afraid to associate with those people

00:34:29.360 based on these wedge words like I, I, I just used. So I encourage everybody, no matter what level or

00:34:38.100 what degree you are trying to support and help your people, the rest of the folk, their obligation

00:34:46.500 is to not run from these labels and to embrace at some point, everybody in a disparate sense,

00:34:56.020 and then bring them in a more focused way into the arms of white nationalism. And white nationalism

00:35:01.860 is just a term that I, I just came up with spontaneously. And my, my book Foundations of the

00:35:11.440 21st Century, which talks about that, is just a watermark, Lana. You know, you might, this afternoon,

00:35:18.880 you might come up with an aphorism or an idea that supersedes this work, just like Evola and Spangler

00:35:27.800 and Simpson, these guys, they all put their spirit onto paper or in their talks, and then they passed on.

00:35:35.840 And like Robert J. Matthews said, we are all born to die and continue the flow. And I think that with

00:35:44.280 time, both our euphemisms will adapt and modify and evolve. But essentially, white nationalism is,

00:35:54.100 in my mind, the code, the nomenclature that needs to be significantly reproduced in the greater,

00:36:04.440 the greater world. And with time, somebody's going to come up with something else. It will change,

00:36:10.180 but the direction will be the same. Well, it's funny, because in Europe, let's say,

00:36:14.220 if you're, you're Swedish, and you're a Swedish nationalist, well, Swedes are white. So you're a

00:36:18.960 white nationalist. Nothing to be afraid of there. Okay, good point. Thank you very much for that.

00:36:24.480 Well, so where did this term white nationalism first come from?

00:36:28.300 It was actually in almost the exact same reference you just described. I was, I was being interviewed

00:36:34.260 by somebody in Southern California, local paper. And she asked me a question that goes along something

00:36:43.760 like this. She goes, you don't appear to be like these other, what did she call it, like bomb throwing

00:36:51.420 radicals or whatever the nomenclature was back in the day. And I says, well, I'm a nationalist. And then

00:36:57.240 man, right behind that, I go, and I'm a white nationalist. And she looked at me, she goes,

00:37:01.060 I've never heard that before. And I didn't say anything at the time. But I mean, it just seemed

00:37:05.760 like normal, because some of the blacks that I had met, and when I was a kid, when the Black Panthers

00:37:10.920 were doing their thing, and the SDS and all that, the Black Panthers considered themselves,

00:37:17.460 at some degree, black nationalists, or black nationalists, they were speaking for their people.

00:37:25.300 And, you know, it just resonated, black, white, yellow, brown, doesn't matter. We all are members of

00:37:30.600 our own nation. And I'm, I'm not afraid of the term nationalist. If people want to look up the

00:37:36.040 definition of nationalist in any good dictionary, it's tribe or people related by blood. It's real

00:37:42.940 simple. That's right. We should be nationalists for all races. All races should be allowed to thrive

00:37:48.640 as a nation in their own territories. After all, that's supporting true diversity, right?

00:37:53.860 Ah, very, very well said. And I concur with that. In all of my works, that is one of the main themes

00:38:00.380 the only true equality comes from a sense of identity. Don't you agree? Yes. Okay. So if that

00:38:09.200 occurs, by definition, while we have diversity, we all have our individual boundaries that are

00:38:16.460 respected. And if a white man disrespects the boundary of another, he has to pay a price. But

00:38:22.220 that also means that those who transgress or trespass against us have to pay a price as well.

00:38:29.360 So we can, we can do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way, but it's self-respect. It's

00:38:35.820 national respect and it's respect for others. That is absolutely the essential element of white

00:38:41.400 nationalism. Yeah. And we have to remind people, this is about, it's because we love our folk. It's

00:38:46.820 not about hating other people. It's because you have a physical and spiritual connection to your

00:38:51.780 people. That's why naturally you see neighborhoods segregate because people just prefer to be with

00:38:56.500 their own and there's nothing wrong with that, you know? That's right. Okay. Now let me throw this in.

00:39:01.800 This is something I have been going through for the last several years. Call it part of my evolutionary

00:39:07.320 pathway or whatever. What, what about what, how do we, you and I, how do we look at those people,

00:39:16.220 white, black, brown, yellow, red, whatever, who actually are comfortable in a particular location

00:39:24.520 and they, they like, well, like might not be the right word, but they are willing to voluntarily

00:39:33.380 work with one another up to a certain point. Is that something that we should look at in a negative

00:39:40.080 fashion or should we look at the, and I don't like the word integration, Lana, but the integration

00:39:48.680 of a certain political volksgeist, if you will, like the American experiment, we're never going to be a

00:39:58.400 pure white nation. That's just not going to happen. So for all of the people, all the true believers

00:40:03.780 out there, um, who take issue with me, just reflect on this. We're never ever going to get to a

00:40:09.800 complete end. And frankly, Lana, I don't believe that that would be the most realistic, um, outlook.

00:40:17.680 We can be majority like we were prior to world war one and world war two, we were like 97% of the

00:40:24.600 population. And with that ethos being in the majority view, we had the ability to allow, to allow these

00:40:35.120 diverse peoples to come in and go through our educational system or, uh, provide a certain,

00:40:42.100 uh, business impetus or whatever. But it was done with the express understanding that they were not

00:40:49.640 going to be replacing us. You know what I mean? There was that, that natural dichotomy between

00:40:56.380 a true minority and the majority. And so I brought up the first analogy because the word coexist always

00:41:06.940 comes up and all that. And I've been in communities, Lana, that have had, I got to be careful here because

00:41:14.120 I've been in, in communities that have had very small, disparate minorities and everybody seems to get

00:41:23.780 along, but our folk have to be in the majority. The end game has to keep us in a position of strength and not

00:41:32.380 one of shared equality because we both know that when that happens, the other elements are going to either see that

00:41:41.900 as an opportunity or as a predator or whatever. And we will be crushed at that point. They will

00:41:49.780 take us over. And it's just a matter of natural law. That's it.

00:41:55.140 Yeah. We're, we're too nice. We let ourselves get emotionally manipulated and we feel sorry for people.

00:42:00.500 I'm always surprised when I see these women, you know, adopting these babies from Africa and giving all

00:42:05.740 their money to all these other countries. I'm like, do you know how many hungry little kids there are in

00:42:10.640 Europe or in America? And we should be locally thinking, what could we do? Like you said earlier,

00:42:16.160 locally in our community, who are the hungry white people that need help? And we should be looking

00:42:20.660 after our folk first and foremost. Yeah, I agree a hundred percent. But let's, for the sake of

00:42:26.480 discussion, what is the psychological elements of our sisters that will do that? In your opinion,

00:42:33.980 Lana, what, what is the psychological reasoning behind a woman of childbearing age doing that?

00:42:42.720 I think it's now socially acceptable. They've been programmed into it with this political correctness.

00:42:47.640 So you're, you're taking the higher road if you don't have your own, but you take the kids that are

00:42:52.460 already there. So yeah, it's completely, women unfortunately fall to trends. They're easily

00:42:59.940 manipulated. And especially if you just have a commercial with some, you know, crying babies in

00:43:04.840 some other foreign country, it's really easy to manipulate and pull their heartstrings. And I

00:43:09.220 think that that's what's been going on. But also these types of women want to be rewarded by society.

00:43:14.060 They want to feel better than you. And by adopting African or Asian babies, their pathological society

00:43:19.000 now tells these women they're so evolved. And then of course, women see celebrities adopting African

00:43:24.260 babies and they want one like the latest accessory. Good, Lana. As a woman, I respect that your opinion.

00:43:31.140 That's a good insight. So how do we juxtapose this? And you're familiar with the phrases, you know,

00:43:38.380 we need to think from the heart chakra or the crown chakra, because there's a lot of real valuable

00:43:45.680 information in the metaphysics of personal energy. So when we take this heart chakra, if you will,

00:43:54.260 and we naturally imbue that into our folk, into our people, our neighbors, then as it continues to

00:44:02.820 spread out and our people feel this need to support and show compassion and sympathy for these other

00:44:12.880 people, what in your opinion can we say to them that will take their eyes and look to the Appalachians

00:44:21.140 or look to South Texas or Southern California to what's happened to white people, white European

00:44:28.560 ethnics in our own country? How can we marginalize the outward look to the world and focus it once

00:44:37.440 again on the family, on their family?

00:44:39.780 Well, if I take this back far enough, I think that the first point would be to try and integrate some

00:44:44.300 sort of a racial consciousness. And for Americans, they don't remember that they're actually European,

00:44:50.400 they're not American. So first and foremost, going way back to our ancient pre-Christian cultures and

00:44:55.820 remembering what your folk are, what their traditions are, what they celebrated, what they ate, what they

00:45:00.680 dressed, to get that back into their head. And then we have to integrate the spiritual side, like you've

00:45:05.940 been talking about, the metaphysical component of race. So they know that it's not just about skin color,

00:45:11.060 this is about a soul level thing. And this is about our children and passing on that soul and

00:45:17.680 those genes that we've had for thousands of years. So we do have to make it more spiritual and more

00:45:22.480 family oriented and more about the future of our children.

00:45:26.040 That was beautifully said. And if we do that, not everybody is imbued with the historical nuances of

00:45:35.520 our blood and soil. So what I tried to do in Rise of the West was I tried to, in a very succinct fashion,

00:45:45.140 take the reader back to, I go back to about 4,500 BC. We could go, God, we could go back tens of

00:45:53.580 thousands of years. But I went back, you know, 7,000, 8,000 years ago. And Rise of the West tries to,

00:46:01.700 it tries to develop in the reader's mind, a, a beginning, a synchronistic origin that covered

00:46:12.660 all of Europe. And that was considered part of one large migratory family. And from that point,

00:46:20.860 I start discussing things about the manifestation of the people, art, music, mathematics,

00:46:28.240 mechanics, some, Archimedes, some of the people, the great philosophers, Plato, Socrates,

00:46:37.360 the great writers, the musicians, the, man, the mathematics behind music is a purely Western

00:46:46.480 motif. It's very lineal. And you think about some of the great composers, the, the lyricism of their

00:46:54.580 lyrics and words, all based on mathematics, Lana, it's just, it's just, it blows my mind how much

00:47:01.700 beauty we actually have created through our natural inclinations. And you follow, you follow this

00:47:08.920 life cycle. And I try to do the best that I can in Rise of the West. And the genetic influence,

00:47:16.980 the predispositions that we share as a Western folk idea. And I know that there's arguments amongst a

00:47:24.720 lot of the Western Europeans right now about Americanism, and there's no, no West left in

00:47:32.880 America. Well, I disagree with them wholeheartedly. The race soul, the race memory is still alive and

00:47:40.160 well in yourself, in me, and most of the people that we meet. When you start talking to me, it'll wake

00:47:46.240 them up. So Rise of the West takes you from an organic beginning, walks you all the way into a

00:47:52.280 burgeoning political and spiritual idea, and then leaves you in, I hope, with an uplifting sense of

00:48:01.200 purpose that, you know, it's not only are we in a struggle, but we're part of destiny. And when you

00:48:09.120 consider yourself part of destiny, you can't stop that. It is what it is. And it will morph and it

00:48:15.980 will change, but it will always go forward. And remember that old phrase, get into the flow,

00:48:21.660 you know, step below. Well, some of the people that may kind of chuckle at that, it's happened in my

00:48:28.120 life and some very close individuals that in those quiet moments, when you really feel yourself

00:48:37.100 being propelled in ways that you cannot actually put a reason all the time for you. The Christians call

00:48:47.460 it, you know, the Holy Spirit, or the pre-Christians are our spiritual folk ancestors. They realized that it

00:48:57.520 was becoming one with the earth, with nature. It's a very powerful thing, Lana. It's the germ plasm that

00:49:05.440 creates music and architecture and war, you know, because you have to have balance. So.

00:49:11.800 Yeah. As, as I look around at things, I just think, hey, you know, we've been around for thousands of

00:49:16.080 years. We were pagans for thousands of years with traditions and knowledge passed down, sacred

00:49:20.880 knowledge. We had our own mystics and shamans, you know, we don't need to look to the east. But I see

00:49:25.200 now that we're, we're on this divergent path. And why I say that is because I feel like as part of our

00:49:30.820 race culture comes the notion of a high culture evolving into better men and women, and we've

00:49:36.140 diverged from that path. But I see we need to get back on that path. And I see that a white folk

00:49:42.300 state is part of that for our particular race culture to continue and evolve. Wouldn't you agree?

00:49:48.020 Yes. And if you don't mind, I want to, I want to just read a couple of sentences from Rise of the

00:49:52.600 West because I was, before this interview, I was just kind of meditating and having a little

00:49:58.200 discussion with somebody and this kind of just popped up, um, to be noble, which is being greater

00:50:05.880 than the whole, to shout to the world, the rightness and character of a higher culture means

00:50:11.760 of necessity that one must strive to be worthy of this refrain, not simply limited to an individual

00:50:20.600 basis, but collectively as well. National health, like individual health starts with a healthy body.

00:50:28.200 The organism of the smallest and largest of the units presents. And I'll start with the basic idea of the

00:50:36.340 family. And I go off on another tangent there, but ultimately to really, to be noble, Lana, to be in,

00:50:43.560 in the French had a expression called noblesse obligues, um, to be noble is to be greater than the whole,

00:50:53.800 even amongst our own people. And so for those few who feel that draw, that nobility, these are the

00:51:01.500 natural leaders and we have thousands of them. I meet, I meet people in passing every day, Lana,

00:51:10.440 that have this innate nobility, this Paterson sense of themselves of which some people, you know,

00:51:18.400 our own people included go all, that's an arrogant person, but really they're kind of what's left of

00:51:24.080 the germplasm in its pure state. You can't teach this, not even at a finishing school. It just resides

00:51:31.000 within you. And as long as you are aware of that, you can shout to the world, the rightness and character

00:51:39.040 of you belonging to a higher culture. And the West is a higher, a higher culture.

00:51:46.640 Yeah, you're right. It makes me think of what you're saying is a natural aristocracy among men

00:51:51.920 and women. There are some people that just have that class, that finesse. They're, they're very

00:51:56.280 regal. They're like princes and princesses. And I see them too, but they're, they're rare, but these

00:52:01.740 are the people that we should be lifting up to because there's a lot of these talented kind of

00:52:05.440 natural aristocratic people that are actually very talented and intelligent. And I'd like to see more

00:52:10.960 of that lifted up in the folk state. Well, that's up to us. Okay. I mean, by making people aware of

00:52:17.680 that, I know in this quote unquote democratic equality, you're not supposed to feel these racial

00:52:27.300 memories, this aristocratic sensibility. Well, this is exactly why we are different than the

00:52:35.400 rest of the world. And so instead of running from that, instead of hiding your light, we, we really

00:52:42.460 do have, once again, put this back in our educational systems and these churches. I really, I got to be

00:52:50.280 careful here because the, the modern spirituality of the modern church is just, it's just an aberrant

00:52:59.480 anti-life kind of worldview. And it's their own fault that they're losing parishioners and they

00:53:06.880 got to go to all these foreign countries to create these, these Christians, if you will. And I, I'm not

00:53:12.960 a Christian basher. What I'm saying is like the religion of the West, which I point out and rise

00:53:18.880 to the West has been Catholicism historically. And when groups of people that I knew back in the 70s and

00:53:26.620 80s, when we truly sat down, it didn't matter whether you were a quote, pagan, and I don't like that term

00:53:32.840 by the way, but that pre-Christian naturalist or whatever, we didn't have a problem talking to our own

00:53:41.860 people about Christianity or the faith of our fathers or the faith of our ancestors, because

00:53:47.200 the primary modus operandi was to work forward for the betterment of our people so that we could have

00:53:55.000 the liberty to argue these points out without being enslaved by, you know, a corporate mentality,

00:54:00.980 globalism, you know, whatever it is. And by God, that's what people need to fight for. And they can't

00:54:06.500 get hung up on these, these little passionate, um, you know, bitch sessions.

00:54:12.280 Yeah, I agree. I also see too, there's, there's that Christian versus, I know you don't like that

00:54:17.540 term. They didn't call themselves pagans either. Have to think of another term, but there's a lot of

00:54:22.080 people that have that fight going on that are white nationalists. And really at the end of the day,

00:54:26.520 this is about our survival. So we should put aside those arguments and just focus on the real war

00:54:32.160 that's at hand. Yes, Lana. So let me interject here. If they call themselves white nationalists,

00:54:38.180 then they need to read, uh, the foundation of the 21st century. And what real white nationalists

00:54:44.380 were about in its inception was that there is no room for this bickering. This, this bickering is

00:54:52.040 self-defeating, uh, at the very least. And at worst, it's self-destructive. And I hear, you know,

00:54:59.380 Christians on one side, they are attacking pagans, but Christianity is supposed to have this

00:55:03.400 compassion and sympathy for their fellow men. Okay. So start living that first and foremost.

00:55:09.120 And the pagans that are all mad because they consider, um, Christianity being a destructive

00:55:14.400 force in the ethos of the West, get a handle on that too. Sit down with your brothers and sisters

00:55:19.520 and just come to an agreement on who you are and the rest will work itself out because we are in a

00:55:26.280 struggle. So, you know, quit fighting amongst yourselves and sit down with one another,

00:55:32.580 go to picnics together, you know, share the, the, the moment with your children and it will all work

00:55:40.360 itself out. Yeah. It's interesting because as a race culture, we're probably, or we are the most

00:55:45.840 diverse. We have polar opposite ideas flying around, but we're of the same people. So it can be

00:55:51.760 challenging at times. Well, 35 years ago, Lana, we went through this and I'm not trying to date

00:55:58.040 myself, but it really is frustrating. It has been for me 30, 30 plus years ago that we had, um, a lot

00:56:05.760 of opportunities in 40 and 50 years ago. We did too, but faith in something unseen while is a valuable

00:56:15.840 metaphysical exercise, I guess. And, and in fact, to a lot of people is a very real thing.

00:56:22.320 We live on this earth and we have nuts and bolts, things that we need to do. And one of those is quit

00:56:28.720 thinking like we are a conquered people, like in foundations I talk about. Ultimately, we consider

00:56:34.960 ourselves to be conquered. If we didn't, we would stand up without fear or favor. Every time we thought

00:56:42.140 we were being violent, would we not? Of course. And we're still the majority.

00:56:48.020 Uh, in what respect? I mean, as, as people in America, we're still the racial majority and we're

00:56:53.640 not even saying anything now. Well, okay. I, I'm not, I don't want to play with all the numbers

00:56:59.140 because man, you can pull these numbers out, out of, out of a hat. But the last I saw, we were at 49%

00:57:04.760 of the population. Oh, okay. Oh, we're less than 8% of the world population. That's a number you're

00:57:12.240 probably familiar with. But if we're, if that's true, if we're 49%, if we're 52%, the ultimately,

00:57:21.340 if you break that down into white males and white females, um, because white females vote in a, uh,

00:57:27.380 basically in a different voting block than white males. And that's got it. We have to start talking

00:57:32.500 to our women or talking to our men again. So we kind of get on the same page, but ultimately we do

00:57:39.100 not as a voting block, one man, one vote. That's all, that's all crap, Lana. This one man, one vote

00:57:46.180 thing is just ridiculous. So we're outvoted already simply because even amongst our own, we're split

00:57:52.480 so dramatically between left and right, male and female. We are not a telling force. Okay. So

00:57:59.140 democracy while ethically, uh, being a sound form of tribalism, if you will, is not the best form of

00:58:09.320 government. And we'll, we'll get into that later. And what form of government, you know, is the best?

00:58:14.880 I don't know, you know, let's just throw a card out and pick one, but aristocratic nations,

00:58:20.100 monarchies, um, religious, um, religious, secular heads of state like, um, Egypt, Venice for a thousand

00:58:29.940 years, um, Egypt for 3000 years. Um, you look at democracy and we have not been around very long

00:58:36.200 when Pericles, Periclean democracy lasted less than a hundred years. Uh, the gentleman who inspired,

00:58:42.480 um, what we now consider a democracy, um, democratic rule. Uh, it, it always ushers in the dictator,

00:58:49.700 always. And no one, you can't show me any other historical nuance or historical fact of the

00:58:57.040 matter is that democracy always leads to mob rule and mob rule always leads to the dictator.

00:59:02.680 Yep. It seems we're on that path, aren't we? The left, the left is creating a monster on the right

00:59:08.200 that they, they have no idea what they're creating. Well, now that's a good point because every move has

00:59:14.340 a counter move. Uh, every cause has an effect. Now here's where it gets dicey for you and I, Lana,

00:59:21.160 for two, two ethnic Europeans talking about this. If we are not in control of this, i.e. if we do not

00:59:30.200 have some sense of white nationalism, a political unit, call it what you will, then the dialogue

00:59:37.340 is created by either melt, uh, well-meaning or actual opposition forces. And always be aware

00:59:47.000 of counter-revolution. And we are most definitely in a revolution. We have been for five or six

00:59:52.480 generations big time. So the counter-revolution is a lot of us, you and I, and people who think like

01:00:00.080 us, well, if you consider the bullshit revolution and the French revolution, those true believers

01:00:06.500 that started at the ground level, guess who was always waiting in the wings to get their grubby

01:00:12.780 little hands on everything. And it's happening almost every major Western sociological revolt

01:00:20.540 that you've got people who are watching us, the common people reacting both spiritually and

01:00:27.700 intellectually. And once we get to that apex of, of momentum, man, they always insert themselves and

01:00:35.540 they take the thing over. And so I will, our people need to really be educated. And my works are just

01:00:43.180 one man's effort and we have literally thousands of writers. So people need to like, they need to pick

01:00:50.900 a mind or a group of minds, uh, in a literary form and become quite enamored with that. And then they

01:01:00.200 need to turn to their peers and they start this, they need to start listening to those people who have

01:01:06.420 that natural ability to, um, project these thoughts, these, these spiritual qualities that will coalesce

01:01:15.500 into a viable political unit. And we are 30 years behind times and we're 75 years behind times. If you

01:01:22.380 go back prior to world war two, you know, and all that. So now guys, it's actually time to reflect on

01:01:29.380 what we need and to actually do something about that. And I mean, that is to associate, to talk, to,

01:01:36.940 um, work and spent and the guys too, the guys need to start actually putting their own guys to work,

01:01:43.620 um, starting businesses, looking out for themselves like the black community does, like Farrakhan owns

01:01:49.360 a lot of cattle ranches and all that. And they feed a lot of inner city blacks and, uh, blacks in

01:01:55.900 Chicago, uh, New York and that kind of thing. So whites need to do the same damn thing. Yeah. Don't

01:02:00.700 be trader capitalists and bring in cheap non-white labor. Cause that's going to help wreck things. We have

01:02:05.840 to start exactly having businesses and infiltrating all areas, maybe even the opposition, find out what

01:02:11.840 they're up to, what, what they're doing. We can go, we were doing that 30 years ago, Lana. And,

01:02:17.000 and so, yeah, it's a great point. Um, you know, there's all kinds of role models to choose from.

01:02:23.460 Um, you know, Steve jobs, Bill Gates, whether you like these guys or not, they have a great

01:02:29.000 business modality and they ran with something, something that benefited, um, our people at large.

01:02:35.840 Uh, it doesn't mean we have to like these guys, but there's you and there's me and there's our

01:02:40.840 next door neighbor. And there's a, the woodworker that, you know, that makes great rocking chairs

01:02:45.380 or whatever. Tell, you know, encourage that person or the woman that has developed a great

01:02:50.740 musical business or, uh, a music writer or a performer or whatever. We can get the words out

01:02:58.560 without being paranoid. I, you know, I watched these young people. They're trying to get their

01:03:02.680 musical venues and yes, the system is, is stacked against them. But these kids go to these bars

01:03:08.920 and they get drunk and they start smashing the windows out because they're angry and they're mad

01:03:12.620 and they have all this angst. You know, we need to chill out on that. And, uh, people like you and

01:03:18.760 your husband, you need to go to a nice, a nice, uh, dinner place somewhere, have a glass of wine and

01:03:26.300 talk to the people next to you. Engage in these natural conversations, go for a dance, you know,

01:03:33.920 do some tango, do some waltzing or whatever. And you will meet those people in passing, go to the

01:03:40.060 opera, uh, go to the beach, go to the park, you know, live your life. Don't, don't live in this

01:03:46.760 fricking wrapped up paranoid world of, you know, us and them. Yes, it is us and them, but live your

01:03:53.380 life and live it fully and don't be afraid. I agree. And, and with that, you, you can have

01:03:58.500 children. And I hear a lot of people say, Oh, I can't have kids. It's such a horrible world out

01:04:02.540 there or I can't afford it. I mean, damn it. If our pioneer ancestors did it, you can have a kid

01:04:07.740 and raise them and do it right. You know? Very good, Lana. That is exactly right. Do you anticipate

01:04:12.940 the other side, possibly staging some false flags and using some of the terminology we do to turn off

01:04:19.080 the other, other white people that may be on the fence about some of these issues?

01:04:22.820 Well, yeah, but you know, you know, we've been through this for so long while I'm speaking for

01:04:26.780 myself, Lana. I mean, I can spot these things a mile away. And of course, provocateurs, this thing

01:04:32.920 in Ferguson, uh, just to kind of deviate real quick, the local constabulary sent agent provocateurs

01:04:41.160 into those crowds. And I've, I've watched like three or four videos and these guys were throwing rocks

01:04:47.540 at, you know, their own guys and, uh, you know, spitting on people just to get the agitators that

01:04:52.740 much more agitated. So look, every system uses this Hegelian dialectics, this, um, thesis,

01:05:00.980 antithesis synthesis. Uh, Ortega de Gasset wrote the small book, revolt of the masses, which is a

01:05:07.440 really great psychological primer for anybody who wants to understand, you know, mob psychology

01:05:12.780 and group psychology. But to answer your question, yeah, of course these things are going to happen,

01:05:18.580 but you know what? It don't, don't let that frighten you. Um, the Catholics, uh, Catholics

01:05:24.280 have people that murder people all the time, right? Cause they happen to be Catholics, you

01:05:28.720 know? So as these, as these things come up, we have to deal with them first and foremost

01:05:33.600 on our own by being aware, uh, and circumventing, um, you know, these agent provocateurs or whatever,

01:05:39.960 but they're actually not that prevalent, Lana. This is, this is part of this, the, the subculture

01:05:46.520 of the paranoia that's kept everybody at bay. You can be aware the men and women who are security,

01:05:53.720 um, oriented, let them provide security details for speakers. And well, this is a whole other

01:06:00.600 angle because I, I had security details back in the eighties and friends of mine had their own.

01:06:06.560 And I learned a lot, ex-military, ex-police, that kind of thing. And it's real simple to look

01:06:11.960 after your own. So keeping these guys at bay is fairly easy. The guys that are real difficult to

01:06:17.280 keep out are the local, uh, police force, uh, people, the, uh, obviously the government,

01:06:23.200 these guys are professionals and they know how to do that. And the average white nationalist is just

01:06:28.620 a common man or woman. So it's something to consider, Lana, but don't, don't lose any sleep

01:06:34.200 over it. Okay. So if we switch to the foundations of the 21st century, if we conceptualize our folk state,

01:06:40.760 what would you say is important to us? I have, I think there's seven chapters,

01:06:46.400 all lengthy chapters in foundations. And, um, I don't know. People tend to say I,

01:06:54.400 I, I can pontificate, but I, I, I just, when you talk about a thing, you have to talk about it in my

01:07:02.200 opinion, in an exhaustive fashion. So like my paragraphs are pretty long and you need to have

01:07:07.480 an attention span. So everybody just grab a cup of coffee. If you read any of this material and

01:07:13.540 just give it some time and give any good writer or any person who has something to say, give them

01:07:20.060 your time because reading is very important. It's like speaking, but when you read and you're textually

01:07:25.780 based, it will resonate with your soul. So when we talk about the governmental techniques, what I

01:07:32.760 tried to do in foundations was pretty simple. Um, the title title or a chapter four entitled the voice

01:07:41.180 of our people. And in that chapter, um, I start running down everything from, and I'll, I'll just

01:07:48.860 kind of go over real quick. Um, the white nationalist conception of, um, function and form,

01:07:57.560 labor, unemployment, uh, the medical profession, our elderly, um, after work, retirement, education,

01:08:10.700 children, um, crime, crime, crime and punishment, police force, land management and agriculture.

01:08:20.120 Um, yeah, white nationalist education is actually pretty good about our children, white nationalist

01:08:26.480 position on family. And these are all very succinct points. They can be extrapolated on for the next,

01:08:33.640 you know, 15 or 20 years. But at some point we have to, as a people come to that reaffirmation

01:08:40.700 of traditional values, Lana, that will focus our attention once again on the future. Um, economics

01:08:47.420 is something that while I'm not an economics expert, um, this particular chapter pretty much says we

01:08:53.960 must take control of our currency. Once again, like the constitution gave that responsibility to

01:09:00.680 Congress. We cannot have these international banks. And if we have international banks, they must be

01:09:07.060 controlled by the people at large. Like I'm not, I'm not averse, Lana, to internationalism. That,

01:09:13.420 that's a misconception by many, um, of our detractors. White nationalists are the greatest

01:09:20.560 of internationalists. If you follow my drift, we deal with the French, the Germans, the Swedes,

01:09:26.740 the Scandinavians, the, I mean, we can deal on a real practical trading level with our own people,

01:09:33.780 right? Oh yeah. And they, they have these G9 summits and all that, but all these guys do,

01:09:38.240 they're just toadies for the, for the big banks. If we were doing this, if we want to trade with

01:09:44.000 the Romanians, let's say they make great shoes. Um, they have these neat little boxes and the Swedes

01:09:49.820 have great furniture and, and great technology and all that. Well, by God, do we, we just go ahead and

01:09:55.560 we exchange with our own people. Yeah. And in doing so we make, we, we create wealth,

01:10:01.960 we create stability. This is real internationalism. So I'm not averse to

01:10:06.560 internationalism at that level. Well, it's interesting. All the points that you brought

01:10:11.000 up too. It's like, we know what the problems are and we actually know how to solve them,

01:10:15.560 but it's just not happening intentionally because our government is not for us and they're not our

01:10:21.140 government anymore. They're not interested in solving the problem. So I like that you actually

01:10:25.140 laid out a lot of the issues that we're facing right now. And like, here's a way we can handle this.

01:10:29.460 And here's a way we can handle that. Like honest to God solutions. Yeah, no. Yeah. The whole,

01:10:34.940 whole purpose of writing this was that in my generation, we were just sick and tired of all

01:10:40.480 this intellectual masturbation, right? It just, it's good to discuss with one another,

01:10:45.060 but it doesn't go anywhere. Nope. And so, you know, trying to be proactive back in the seventies

01:10:52.040 and eighties wasn't problematic. We, the sky was the limit and things started to actually progress

01:10:58.940 quite rapidly. We had publishers back in those days that were doing a pretty good job. There was

01:11:04.420 no internet, but we had these newspapers that were going across the country, but what they lacked,

01:11:09.160 and what I want to encourage people to consider is this corporate mentality, this, this, this real

01:11:15.600 business modality that will make us by definition equal players with the rest of the world. Yeah,

01:11:23.580 exactly. Because if you're going to do this, Lonnie, then you got to at least step to the same level

01:11:29.740 as those people around you. This cannot continue to be a subcultural manifestation.

01:11:36.600 Right down to, you know, there's a lot of white nationalists and people that are aware of these

01:11:41.280 topics that have websites that do videos, that do programs, make slick productions. Henrik and I

01:11:45.680 talk about that all the time. You know, it's like, I know Greg Johnson's talked about that too. It's

01:11:49.600 like, make it nice or don't make it at all. Let's have some high quality or let's, let's be eye

01:11:55.420 catching. Let's be trend setting. That's really what we need. And let's, and speaking of Mr. Johnson,

01:12:01.320 I have not met him, but, um, I, I do, I do find his efforts to be quite professional and, uh, the

01:12:11.260 appearance is spectacular. He is the first guy. And so he needs to keep his hands over his head so he

01:12:17.720 doesn't, doesn't swell too much. But of all of the efforts that I've seen over the last 35 plus years,

01:12:23.780 he's been the first one to raise money and kudos to him. It's not hard. He just simply provided

01:12:31.060 a professional medium and he asked for help. And this is something that, I mean, it's just as easy

01:12:37.980 as that. So Lana and Henrik, you know, through your subscriptions. And I, uh, I think I read the

01:12:44.080 other day that you have a, a llama. Lana's llama. Yeah. Clothing line. I'm starting. It's organic and

01:12:49.440 natural fiber because all the clothing out there. So toxic and it's all made in China, of course.

01:12:54.240 Well, you say, of course, but the Romanians are good. Well, is that, well, I'm doing,

01:13:01.360 I'm doing it here and also in Europe. So I'll be different that way. Yeah. I mean, honestly,

01:13:06.840 Lana, I mean, we're, this is not, this is, I like this, this, um, this interview because it's more

01:13:12.880 or less like, uh, uh, just two people discussing these affairs and, uh, our European brethren, um,

01:13:19.640 are available. They want to trade with the, with us, with the United States. And we can actually

01:13:25.040 do some tremendous things. And Mr. Johnson has done that by providing his books. I believe his

01:13:31.460 publisher is where modern worm on. Is that correct? Yeah. It's countercurrents publishing. He's doing

01:13:35.660 it all himself now. Yeah. Okay. So this effort is, is to be commended and, um, he doesn't have to be

01:13:43.300 the only guy doing that. We can, we can have thousands of people. One of the things back in the

01:13:48.220 eighties was that the quote leaders and the intellectuals of the day, which I have serious

01:13:54.020 issues with even to this day, because they were extremely myopic, greedy, snobbish, and, uh,

01:14:01.080 they did not want the grass to grow around them. Well, I, as a young man, saw that as the only thing

01:14:09.220 that we could do as a, as a viable political process was to encourage as many blades of grass to grow,

01:14:17.340 to, I mean, when we mull it, you know, the harvest comes, we will have that much more to offer the

01:14:24.440 world and not just one or two isolated, you know, minds, if you will. So Mr. Johnson and people like

01:14:31.780 him in my mind are doing a superb job. They are offering something wholesome to their folk and we

01:14:38.580 just need more of it. I agree. Well, you have a heading in your book called the social con

01:14:43.980 contracting. Talk about the social and national responsibility of folk nationalists. Can you

01:14:49.220 discuss that section? Yeah, the social contract by definition is that unspoken, um, resonance and

01:14:58.120 loyalty that we share to each other held in common. You go to certain communities and

01:15:03.860 certain small communities, let's say, uh, let's say 20,000, 30,000 or smaller. That social contract

01:15:13.740 is not only a part of our nature, but it's a working solution to age, youth, the needs of, uh, the poor,

01:15:25.420 um, the spiritual needs. This social contract is that old ancient tribal mechanism that inherently

01:15:35.100 says we belong to one another. And like family, family is the nation, the nascent stage of nationalism,

01:15:45.460 family. Family begins the origin of the working relationship of nation and its people. So the

01:15:55.220 relationship between the government must remain and will always be the organic interdiction between

01:16:03.020 the lineal process of government and the actual realization of people living together. And national

01:16:12.620 socialism in many respects came very, very close. So let's do, let's do a little bit better, uh, or

01:16:20.580 maybe not better, but let's, let's provide each other with that sensibility of social responsibility

01:16:27.240 and nationalistic obligation or national obligation. These two fundamental elements are part of our social

01:16:34.820 contract between each other. When we were formed as a republic in the United States, not as a democracy,

01:16:41.380 but as a republic. And it had all the aristocratic leanings of the old world and all that, but

01:16:48.300 inherent in that document in the constitution, which was an amazing, amazing feat and definitely

01:16:54.620 divinely inspired or spiritually manifested was that we attempted to give each other and a certain amount

01:17:04.380 of individualism because I have serious problems with how individualism has morphed into this, uh, dystopic

01:17:12.860 kind of, um, um, you know, separated or separated from each other to such a great extent that we can't

01:17:21.060 do anything. There's no collective consciousness, right? So our government must be faced, absolutely

01:17:26.380 must be, um, faced with the dichotomy of that social responsibility and that national obligation.

01:17:34.800 And I think most of us are on the same page. So when it comes right down to talking about the nuts and

01:17:40.380 bolts, like Daniel Johnson wrote, uh, the pace amendment. Uh, have you ever read that?

01:17:45.400 No. Well, uh, Google it and you can, you can pick it up. Mr. Johnson runs the American freedom party

01:17:51.160 now. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. I know who that is. Uh, Bill Johnson, William Johnson. Um, so you

01:17:58.340 know, his effort when he put the pace amendment together was a, a pretty decent, um, attempt. So

01:18:04.160 you actually, you do need to verse yourself with, uh, some of the positions in, uh, and it made its rounds

01:18:09.700 and all that. It's a legal, basically a quasi legal document. So we have the minds that can

01:18:15.460 start this attempt and, um, the social contract as a matter of course, will, will be a part of that

01:18:23.120 expression. Yeah. It's basically the tenants of white folk nationalism, right? The tenants for the

01:18:29.860 folk unity consciousness, you know, rules to, I guess, good rules to live by that we can all agree

01:18:34.800 upon, right? Yeah, exactly. And I can't remember where I put it right off hand, but you know, I,

01:18:40.360 I, I threw down 10 tenants, uh, of white nationalism and then I've got the, the 25 points,

01:18:46.140 which was kind of like a, an ad hoc kind of a thing. It can always be redone, but, um, I don't

01:18:52.580 remember where the 10 points were in here, but, um, but nevertheless, um, spirit, form and function,

01:19:03.920 form and function is a very, very viable discussion when it comes to anything from architecture to

01:19:10.440 our folk community, to our government. Um, one follows the other. If you have the proper form

01:19:17.340 function pretty much comes along with it in a very balanced and moderate view. And I'm talking about

01:19:24.800 if we live together, you know, extricating ourself from all this other stuff is problematic, but

01:19:30.520 still we will be able to rule ourselves or at least to govern ourselves. Um, if left alone,

01:19:37.920 Lana, um, we'll usher in a, a thousand years or more of just the most splendid and light filled

01:19:48.480 future if left to our own devices. Yeah, I agree. Well, you mentioned traditionalism,

01:19:54.340 actually more radical traditionalism and people confuse that with what we know of conservatives

01:20:00.040 today, right? Yeah. And which, and they're two total different things. When I think of

01:20:05.260 traditionalism, I think of something that's more primordial, like the family unit, for instance,

01:20:09.700 that's primordial. I mean, we wouldn't survive without something like that.

01:20:13.420 Yes, correct. And conservatives, I look, I, I will say this, I am disgusted with conservatives

01:20:18.940 and they leave a very bad taste in my mouth. And so for you conservatives listening out there,

01:20:24.660 you, you need to reflect on what it means to be a modern day conservative, a Republican or whatever

01:20:32.540 little wedge word you want to give yourself. And if you don't put your folk first and understand that

01:20:39.280 family is an extension, uh, well, race is an extension of your family, but that family unit,

01:20:45.580 which every, all these conservatives claim to be a part of them is part of your race soul.

01:20:51.740 Once you wrap your head around that, that the, the, the eyes that you're looking into today or this

01:20:58.180 evening are like you. And I'm excluding those that may be with partners of another race and I'm not

01:21:06.200 going to deprecate them, but that man and woman who look at each other's, in each other's eyes,

01:21:10.800 and you see those souls that belong to one another. That is the basis of conservatism to

01:21:20.080 conserve what is healthy and right and what you belong to. That is what true conservatism is, but

01:21:27.200 white nationalism is the radical traditionalism, the reinsertion of that radical traditionalism that

01:21:34.400 we have to go that step forward. We can, I'm not a conservative. I probably haven't been a

01:21:41.140 conservative since I was 15 or 16 years old. And well, just because I was very much aware that

01:21:48.620 conservatives, while conserving a thing is good, you're just being held in stasis. Yeah. You don't,

01:21:56.880 you're not moving forward. It's okay to resonate and protect what our ancestors did for us,

01:22:03.520 but you and I are living our own lives, right? So there's change by definition,

01:22:07.900 but as long as it's held within the confines of healthy traditionalism, you're not going to go

01:22:14.820 wrong. I agree. Well said. Another aspect I want to ask you is what about science and technology?

01:22:23.140 How would you see that playing with our folk community? Oh, science and technology is amazing.

01:22:28.340 There's no, there's no end to what the human mind can, can come up with. And whether you call that

01:22:34.480 divinely inspired or not, I'm not going to debate it, but science and technology is, is the offspring

01:22:40.600 of our folk. And you can argue this point left and right. And people will already, you know,

01:22:45.760 because we have very brilliant index in Chinese and Japanese. I am not discounting that whatsoever.

01:22:52.360 That is, that is beautiful diversity when it comes to technology and science, science deals in,

01:22:58.900 in facts and, uh, Western empirical science, uh, being the way you and I were raised.

01:23:04.780 And I believe the most, uh, the most, um, definitive of all the sciences, you know, we experiment,

01:23:11.160 we physically observe things and from computers to rocket scientists, to genetics and eugenics,

01:23:19.160 all of these efforts will benefit the entirety of the human race, if you will. And, and white

01:23:27.320 nationals should not be afraid of, of technology or where we're going with scientific inquiry,

01:23:34.800 uh, and all that it's, it's part and part of us. For instance, I have, I have known people in the past

01:23:42.400 that are involved in, uh, stem cell research or, um, the study of eugenics and genetics and they want

01:23:50.900 to hold this, you know, to their bosom and not allow this to get out. Well, as long as we are in

01:23:57.300 control, uh, and I mean, financially through our institutions, we are in control of these things

01:24:03.680 like our universities and whatnot. We define the dialogue, but in terms of stem cell research,

01:24:09.800 and I don't know how much you know about this, Lana, but America, and I, and, and you know who

01:24:14.600 I'm talking about, those elements in our, in our country that would dispossess us, dispossess us of

01:24:22.200 those scientific inquiries and give them to other nations is doing it for one reason, one reason only

01:24:28.500 and that is to keep us dumbed down. And the largest stem cell, uh, manufacturer or, um, institution

01:24:35.500 on the planet just got sold to the Chinese. And by allowing that to happen, yeah, we can deal with

01:24:42.200 the Chinese. That's not a problem. But if it's a natural creation of our own folk, then we need to

01:24:48.740 keep these institutions alive and well in our own Western nations. That includes Europe and the United

01:24:55.660 States, just simply for the sake of scientific inquiry. And a white nationalist government would

01:25:00.500 most definitely be funding these types of efforts. Yeah. I love the idea of, I mean, we're, we're

01:25:06.360 explorers. We should be exploring space now and finding new resources on other planets. I mean,

01:25:11.560 how exciting would that be? How exciting indeed? Well, you brought up eugenics and, you know, I used to

01:25:17.520 think, Oh, eugenics is a bad thing, you know, and I noticed a lot of people in the conspiracy

01:25:20.900 field use it, but how is improving our genes a bad thing? And people are confusing it with

01:25:27.480 dysgenics or the dumbing down or this, um, you know, synthetic mutation that's occurring with

01:25:33.780 humanity, you know? So what do you think about eugenics? Oh, I'm a big purport of eugenics. And,

01:25:39.360 and after everybody's calms down from all the screeching and the gnashing of teeth and, you know,

01:25:44.740 it's ironic a lot of that, both the left and the right are using it to, you know, commit racial

01:25:52.040 suicide in the process. Like the left, they bring up Margaret Sanger. Um, um, and they,

01:25:57.840 they try to like promote Margaret Sanger now as some like evil racist eugenicist. Well, Margaret

01:26:03.860 Sanger, um, S.J. Holmes, Samuel J. Holmes, um, Professor Mendel, uh, you know, the list in, in, uh,

01:26:13.840 foundations, I give a list of all these geneticists and all these Nobel, uh, winning scientists. It's,

01:26:20.320 it's just phenomenal understanding that ultimately when a man and woman marry, they are the most basic

01:26:30.820 and elemental eugenic processes. When you marry a man in your case, and you know something about the

01:26:41.620 family, you like his looks, you're drawn to the looks, uh, and a good, um, eugenics match would be

01:26:49.120 similar hair color, similar physiology. All of these elementals produce a superior and more healthy

01:26:57.940 and more intelligent person. And I don't mean to say superior in terms of the other races,

01:27:02.680 but it is what it is. If you have a superior genetic stock, you are healthier. You have,

01:27:10.060 you are more adaptable. Um,

01:27:12.120 and people do, they do this unconsciously. Women look for a mate where they can improve their

01:27:17.320 offspring. They don't realize that whether it's some kind of resource or some kind of talent he

01:27:21.540 has, some kind of ability or a certain feature about him. I mean, who doesn't want to have smarter,

01:27:27.480 more beautiful children? Not only that, Lana, but there's a certain, and I, in the epic poetry that

01:27:33.680 I, I have been fortunate enough to be able to write, um, the term magic. Magic is one of my terms for

01:27:40.780 the metaphysics, for the metaphysical things we can't explain, right? So this natural chemistry,

01:27:46.640 while it can be problematic, Lana, if you are in, in a culture that has your, you know, your culture,

01:27:54.760 our culture, our, our ethnic based culture, when those chemicals are released, you know, oxytocin and,

01:28:01.980 um, that, that magical element that is both chemical and spiritual, the odds are that mate is going to be

01:28:10.340 very similar physiologically, intellectually, um, in most of the cases, Lana, you know, the,

01:28:17.840 this thing about first love and, and, um, you're drawn to these people in a magical way or whatever.

01:28:24.380 This is your, this is your evolutionary psychology talking to you. And it's saying this person right

01:28:30.880 here is who is going to give you the best chance for survival, the most beautiful children.

01:28:36.280 This is all eugenics is and marriage, the institution of marriage by definition is our institution of

01:28:44.780 eugenics. You know, hopefully when people marry one another, Lana, they've actually considered the

01:28:51.900 ramifications. Are there dysgenic elements in the family? Um, is that individual intelligent? Does he

01:28:58.460 have the capacity or does she have the capacity to expand not only their mind, but their ability to

01:29:05.840 create, to create that can be wealth, that can be woodworking, architecture, science, whatever,

01:29:12.140 whatever the adaptability presents itself as there is nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact,

01:29:18.660 there's everything right with that. And I'm not talking about, um, eugenics where we're splicing

01:29:24.520 DNA cells together and we're, you know, putting human heads on cows and, you know, whatever the hell

01:29:30.280 people are doing today. I'm talking about the naturalistic understanding of what it means to

01:29:37.320 choose a mate. That's real eugenics. I know you brought up Margaret Sanger and some people freak

01:29:42.740 out because, well, she was tied up with the Rockefeller Foundation and we know there's all kinds of things

01:29:46.780 going on there, but she talked about rounding up the undesirables. But I mean, really, I mean, if people

01:29:53.840 are handicapped, they're not able to have children, isn't it our duty to look after them or to prevent

01:30:00.300 that because it's not going to be good in the long run? I mean, they're not even going to be able to

01:30:03.820 take care of those children and then we'll have to take care of them. Yeah. I mean, look, this goes

01:30:08.840 without saying, and this may be, this may be sensitive to some people, but common sense dictates, I'm not,

01:30:15.080 I am not against abortion. You got to be real, real careful about this. Abortion in many cases,

01:30:23.880 Lana, for instance, until we get to a point where when the sperm and the ovum meet and we know like

01:30:29.760 right from the gate that this child's going to have Down syndrome or whatever. In lieu of that,

01:30:36.340 if you take on the responsibility of a dysgenic child, not only does it detract in a major way from

01:30:43.360 your personal life. This is not about sympathy or compassion. This is about being utilitarian.

01:30:49.080 The state ends up paying for all this, right? And this discussion could get pretty wild, but

01:30:54.680 ultimately, I would prefer that we take an intellectual position in taking the life of an

01:31:02.240 unborn child, hopefully, you know, in a, well, not hopefully, but in a humane way, if there's no way

01:31:10.180 for us to fix this poor child's life. I mean, these are all very deep and emotional, moral issues.

01:31:18.280 And I'm not the last word on this, but we need to come to grips with what we are producing, both in a

01:31:25.560 healthy and a dysfunctional kind of way. We have to come to grips with this. We cannot afford to keep

01:31:34.400 doing this from an economic standpoint and from an emotional and moral standpoint. So let's, let's start

01:31:41.040 choosing our future as best we can. And that starts with a choice of a mate.

01:31:48.100 And it's quality, not quantity. I mean, I used to laugh when people used to talk about overpopulation,

01:31:54.160 but I'm very well-traveled and it's, it's getting populated out there. Resources are going to get used up.

01:32:00.020 So we need to be responsible about these things. Thank you. And the white nationalists should be

01:32:05.240 at the forefront of all of these debates. We need to be creating the dialogue, not reacting to it.

01:32:14.460 So I appreciate your commentary on that because unlike America, Europe is pretty crowded, huh?

01:32:21.060 Oh yeah. I don't know how they keep taking in these immigrants. I mean, what's going to happen?

01:32:24.940 Are they going to chop down all the rest of the forest and stack them all up in there?

01:32:28.500 Ah. And can, can we live any closer in the large metropolitan areas? Can we?

01:32:35.040 No.

01:32:35.880 No, we can't. It's, it's unhealthy. You know, Dr. McDonald has done some, some great studies on

01:32:41.440 this evolutionary psychology. And, um, what was the guy that wrote, um, that book about population?

01:32:49.140 I can't remember, but everybody's, everybody's got their take on, on what's, uh, what's going to

01:32:54.940 happen when we are overpopulated. Well, we are overpopulated. That's why we're creating GMO food.

01:33:00.460 Yeah.

01:33:01.360 Like create more instead of going back to the soil mentality and, and keep our soil healthy,

01:33:08.120 get rid of all this, um, fertilizer and fricking Monsanto and all these guys. And yeah,

01:33:14.040 I am a super environmentalist. And, uh, you know, every chance I get, Lana, I'm, I'm on

01:33:20.160 any of these TV productions or, um, whatever source I get my hands on. I'm very pro food co-op,

01:33:28.060 uh, grow our own food. Um, no fertilizer, this thing about organic food.

01:33:33.840 Hey, white nationalists go organic. And the more that we buy, the more local farmers are going to

01:33:43.500 be produced. And if any government present or in the future starts to detract from our ownership of

01:33:52.820 land for the express purpose of building large corporate farms, then you, my friends, brothers

01:34:00.380 and sisters are not living in a free country and in rise to the West and foundations, Lana, Frank,

01:34:07.540 and whoever we require land in perpetuity within our family nexus, in our community nexus forever.

01:34:18.740 Paying taxes on land is anti life. Yes. And I don't, I don't care about the economics. The state will

01:34:29.280 survive through a whole litany of resources and taxations if we allow that, but our land must not

01:34:37.720 be taxed and we must own the land in perpetuity that will keep the family proper located.

01:34:46.720 And those children that do decide to leave when they end up in another place, they can start another

01:34:53.860 homestead and so on and so forth. But the government has no business saying yay or nay about after 30

01:35:00.780 years, Lana's worked her heart out and has four or five beautiful children and they have organic

01:35:06.700 farming going on and all that. And for whatever, you have a life illness and then they can take that

01:35:12.400 lamb. No, that is a crime against nature and against our people. And so that is one of the main

01:35:18.460 tenets of white nationalism. And that is a social policy. So those nationalists that have a hard

01:35:25.880 time wrapping their heads around having the state take care of our old people or are infirm, by the

01:35:32.540 way, Lana, if we have children that are down syndrome, I know a lot of beautiful down syndromes

01:35:38.340 kids and they're beautiful, then we, we have to pay for that, Lana. And there, we can raise money

01:35:44.580 for that. It's not a problem. But when it ultimately comes down to our, our foundational premise of land

01:35:50.480 ownership, no state has the right to take that from us. Got that right. I appreciate it. I also

01:35:56.160 appreciate that you bring up the health aspect because unfortunately there's a lot of white

01:36:00.020 nationalists are still really, they're, they're idiots about the fluoride, the GMOs, the pesticides

01:36:05.180 they need to wisen up because that's, that's doing more to kill white people than anything else.

01:36:09.780 It's also killing the fertility rate. So. Oh, thank you, Lana. Exactly. And you're not over

01:36:15.300 the top. You are just a woman who is resonating with this, with the natural elements of your blood.

01:36:20.560 It's like common sense. What are these people retarded? Yeah. No, seriously. I mean, white

01:36:25.940 nationalists and, and you conservatives that have all this money. What are you going to do about

01:36:31.000 chemtrails? Yeah. What are you going to do about Monsanto and these, and Monsanto is not the big Satan,

01:36:38.620 but they are part of a larger problem. They need to get a handle on their own house because these,

01:36:45.580 these synthetic fertilizers are killing people and they are creating disasters amongst our people

01:36:52.400 and amongst the black community and the Asian community and the Mexican community. These people

01:36:56.540 need to get their act together. And if they don't, they need to be forced to do it. Well, otherwise a lot

01:37:03.100 of these people are going to die. It really is going to be survival of the fittest. And if you're dumb and

01:37:07.380 you're eating that stuff and partaking in that, then you're going to be taken out. It's just the

01:37:11.760 hard truth of it. Well, Lana, there's a lot of people I know in some future interview, I will turn

01:37:18.600 you on to a couple of people, but tremendous advances and God, our people are so beautiful on

01:37:25.620 this. We have scientists like walking around that are like geniuses and they can't get funded to save

01:37:33.460 their life, honey. Horrible. You know, it's like, it's, it's insane. And they have never gone to a

01:37:38.960 university, nothing. They are like walking Teslas, right? So if we can get over the hump that we can

01:37:45.200 put our soils back to the way they used to be, um, we are actually going to become a healthier

01:37:52.100 healthier people and a healthier world. And genetically we will be able to soften the blows

01:37:59.800 that nature brings to us. Uh, our autoimmune systems will become so much stronger. I mean,

01:38:06.700 I practice acupuncture and I am, I believe in holistic medicines and I believe in a lot of what

01:38:12.820 a lot of people would call, you know, foo-foo, um, spirituality, like, um, Reiki and laying hands on

01:38:19.480 people. I've seen it work. You know, I I've seen what that energy that we bring to bear metaphysically

01:38:26.300 can do. So that's, that's a whole other discussion, but come on, white nationalists cannot be limited to

01:38:32.660 a political modality. It, it involves everything to create the creative nature of who we are musically,

01:38:42.420 medicinally, you know, culturally, all these manifestations, white nationalists are people who

01:38:47.640 live life. They are not wrapped up in the traditions of the past only. They are living it daily and going

01:38:55.680 forward. And they're not afraid to listen to different music within reason or different cultures. I mean,

01:39:03.040 when I say within reason, I'm not afraid to mix it up with other people.

01:39:06.960 Of course not. People think that if you're a white nationalist, you're like afraid of black and brown people.

01:39:11.660 West is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You know, that's retarded. So I go to a Cinco de Mayo

01:39:17.660 parade, which I don't, but I have been, I can appreciate their cultural heritage. Okay. But I

01:39:25.620 know that I'm going to go back to my own. Yeah. I mean that I have my own traditions and I'm not at that

01:39:32.520 level. I can exchange. Okay. So white nationalists and conservatives and people who are on the one hand,

01:39:40.560 they say we have to live together, but then they're all freaking out, you know, about us becoming

01:39:45.780 assimilated with these other cultures. Well, if you don't like it, well then stop the immigration and

01:39:51.000 stop it now and bring our European folk back at a level that it was prior to 1924. Okay. Once you

01:39:58.880 start doing that with time, we can start to offset some of this, but immigration is an issue that has to

01:40:06.040 be addressed and this government's not going to do it. They've never done it, not Republican or

01:40:11.280 Democrat. So, um, bottom line is white nationalists and all of those ethnic nationalists that, uh, I've

01:40:18.460 sat down with personally at tables and discussed, we can take care of this, you know, in a unified

01:40:24.280 fashion, but the present state of affairs, it will just simply deny white ethnics, their place,

01:40:32.900 period, the end. And what's the code word? Anti-racism is a code word for anti-white. Yep. That is the

01:40:40.320 truth of the matter. I have seen this hundreds of times. It's getting worse. I don't know if you've

01:40:45.520 paid attention to a lot of the articles, but man, the stuff is just blatant in the media now, just

01:40:50.240 anti-white media and legislation. It's just outrageous, but it's good because the more they push, the

01:40:56.000 harder and the faster, the more people will wake up to what's going on. Yeah. Well, you know, I try not to

01:41:01.120 use the words worse, Lana, because it was worse in the eighties and the seventies and the sixties,

01:41:06.420 it was always worse. So let's not use nomenclature like that anymore. Let's just talk about what we

01:41:12.840 are going to do about it. Exactly. What groups, what businesses, what, what institutions we're going to

01:41:20.700 create, not about how bad it is. And even the, the opposite, you know what, Lana, that one of the

01:41:27.180 dialogues that's been created over the years and in foundations, I talk about this.

01:41:33.080 I don't need to utilize in my writings or in my discussion in any of my opposition. I don't,

01:41:41.080 I don't need to include professors and literary people. You know how we're supposed to be like

01:41:46.180 really balanced. No, I'm going to go from my own sources. And every once in a while, I'm going to

01:41:50.520 throw in one of the opposition because they might say something really beautiful, right? But I'm going

01:41:56.020 to create the dialogue. You are going to create the dialogue. We do not need, we don't need those

01:42:02.440 people. We, we walk our own path. And if they eventually see the writing on the wall, then these

01:42:10.400 brilliant people will come to our side and we will bring them in as the family that they are. And we will

01:42:18.480 work all these things out and we will head into a very bright future, but loser. And you know, it's

01:42:26.880 getting worse and all that. You know what? It's been like that in every generation. So just focus

01:42:32.260 on all of the positive. We have work to do. We're not here because of a Judaic element. We're not here

01:42:41.920 because of the commies. We are not here because of that. We are here because we gave up on ourselves.

01:42:49.700 We no longer had the courage to hold our ground or to go forward if we don't hold our ground.

01:42:57.300 It's our fault. It's nobody else's fault but us.

01:43:01.200 Yep. I know we're coming up to a couple hours here. So I just wanted to squeeze in a couple more

01:43:05.960 questions. I wanted to get your take on, on your thoughts on how do we get there from here? And are

01:43:11.980 we also going to be breaking off from other whites who don't possess this folk consciousness?

01:43:18.060 Ah, man, I don't look at it like that. When, when, when you presuppose a sundering, then it's going

01:43:24.660 to happen. I embrace all of our people, but by definition it's already occurred, right? Uh, if you and I

01:43:30.560 were sitting, uh, at a dinner table with some conservatives, uh, um,

01:43:35.960 I mean, it's already here. We are already sundered. So white nationalism is trying to bring this folk

01:43:42.060 consciousness together. Um, the, the governmental techniques are going to work themselves out. I

01:43:47.000 mean, we have a great experiment in the United States of America. We've been very blessed with

01:43:51.140 great dialogue. We're not afraid to discuss, um, your rights versus my rights. It's common rights,

01:43:58.140 you know, and, and these elements we've already worked out. So let's reinsert this radical traditionalism

01:44:04.300 that we've, it's just reinserting what we've forgotten or what we didn't have the heart or the

01:44:10.220 courage to stand for. And in the process, we're not going to go back in time, Lana. We're going

01:44:15.340 to go forward because not everything that I was raised with, do I agree with now? You know, after

01:44:21.440 30 or 40 years, not every tradition that was taught to me was taught to me, um, that will stay,

01:44:28.160 that has stood the test of time is what I'm saying that we can't, we can't afford not to change some

01:44:34.500 of these things because the generations, you know, your age group and younger than that, you know,

01:44:39.400 we all have our worldview, but we have these commonalities here. Traditions are valuable,

01:44:45.020 but let's make new traditions. Yeah, exactly. I like that. Well, last question for you. What words

01:44:51.700 of wisdom do you have for the younger generation of white kids are kind of, they're a little impatient

01:44:56.520 right now, but they see the importance of folk culture, blood and soil. So what words of wisdom

01:45:01.280 do you have for them? Well, words of wisdom is pretty common, commonsensical. I think I can put

01:45:06.460 my books aside for the moment and just talk to them. And I appreciate that last question. Bottom

01:45:11.500 line is, is that from, from youth to age, look after each other. The youngsters that are growing up in

01:45:19.580 the cities who may not, who are listening to my voice and your voice, they may have forgotten what

01:45:25.060 it's like to go observe an older person at the park or to help an older woman across the street.

01:45:29.620 And this is not just like, you know, um, being weird. If you're young, this is about you taking

01:45:37.900 the time to take care of your people. That's number one. Number two, you youngsters that are into music,

01:45:45.320 uh, and, and, and you songwriters out there, you know, um, skinhead, um, crews were good in their day,

01:45:53.500 but, but music is evolving. And some of those young men are grown men now. And, and like saga

01:45:59.980 from Sweden, beautiful voices, great lyricists, continue to pursue your musical careers, write your lyrics.

01:46:09.200 Remember what it was like to create beautiful music, orchestration, ballads, acoustic music,

01:46:17.340 bring that back, bring that back to your folk again. So you can play in the park. Um, you know,

01:46:23.840 the older people can sit down and listen to some of this music. And then of course you can kick ass and

01:46:29.980 do take names and compete, you know, in the rest of the world too. Right. But go at, go out and get your

01:46:36.680 education. Um, pick your educational universities and, and schools as best you can. And if you,

01:46:44.080 if you can't afford it, we have some great public institutions left, or if you were lucky enough to,

01:46:49.600 uh, be taking, um, homeschooling lessons by your mother, your parents, or what have you, um, run with

01:46:56.800 that, read, read as much as you can and do not be afraid to talk to other people about what you see

01:47:05.220 going on around you. Fear really is the mind killer and fear promotes the parent, the paranoiac

01:47:13.980 to the point of inaction. It's okay to be cautious. It's okay to be aware of actual threats to your

01:47:22.940 community, uh, to your person, to your nation, as best you can see it, but, but don't hide in a corner,

01:47:30.480 embrace your, your comrades, your, your brothers and sisters, and come up with solutions. Become a part

01:47:39.320 of your local, um, school boards. Um, go to your civic meetings. I'm really big on encouraging men

01:47:46.660 and women and young people to go and sit at the local water board, you know, or listen to what's

01:47:53.460 going on with the, with the merchants in your township. Be aware. Don't be afraid to show yourself

01:48:01.920 as a citizen and as an ethnic citizen. That's all I got to say on that. Well, Frank, please give us

01:48:09.260 your website and book information before we end it for now. Well, I don't have a website, but, uh,

01:48:14.820 people can peruse, um, uh, a blog, a couple of blogs that have been put up, uh, by friends of mine.

01:48:20.460 Um, you can go to foundations, uh, 21st, that's 21st century at wordpress.com. And the other one

01:48:34.020 is simply rise of the west dot wordpress.com. Those two, uh, the guys that are putting that up are

01:48:43.540 doing a pretty good job and they're kind of hit and miss sometimes, but, but they, they, they do a

01:48:48.280 decent job, but go and check out my works, you know, um, whatever the muse and, you know, the

01:48:56.480 spiritual energy has allowed me to do. Um, I do have a lot to say and I've tried to craft, um,

01:49:03.940 this work as best I can, but go to amazon.com and go to the author page and see if there's anything in

01:49:10.660 there that, um, that, um, strikes your fancy. And I did write, uh, the first volume of the,

01:49:16.600 the, uh, book discussing the silent brotherhood. And hopefully we might talk about that some other

01:49:20.900 time. Thanks so much, Frank. It's been a blast. All right. You too, Lana. And bless you and bless

01:49:26.820 Henrik. Good talking with you. Well, folks, I hope you've been inspired and encouraged because it's

01:49:32.220 important to have our own form of church communion with our spiritual race family, because this is a war

01:49:38.080 we find ourselves in a war, which is both physical and spiritual, and we must groom ourselves for

01:49:43.640 battle. We must become tactical. There is a dark force moving on the planet that requires a fight

01:49:49.900 on multiple levels. And there is a power when we collectively fight on the spiritual realm

01:49:54.500 simultaneously while also doing the physical footwork on the battlefield. So if you feel moved,

01:50:00.440 what are your talents? What are your abilities? And how can you put them to use to be a contributing

01:50:05.140 counterforce? I hope you all think about that and make some changes in your life to reposition

01:50:10.440 yourself physically and spiritually. To me, there is no greater reward than self-respect, dignity.

01:50:17.180 Well, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for listening. But before I go, I highly recommend Frank DaSilva's

01:50:22.400 books, namely The Rise of the West and Foundations of the 21st Century. Radio314.com is the website where

01:50:29.720 you can find my social network and where you can sign up for a Red Ice membership to help support our work.

01:50:35.140 Have a good night.

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Radio 3Fourteen - December 17, 2014

The Metaphysics of Blood _ The Future Folk State

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