Radio 3Fourteen - The New Right_ The New Left _ Ethnonationalism

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00:00:26.240 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.520 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Lana.

00:00:47.940 Not Lena or Lana, but Lana.

00:00:50.560 It's a common name in Russia.

00:00:52.380 My guest today, Greg Johnson, is the editor-in-chief of Countercurrents Publishing and its journal

00:00:58.500 and webzine, North American New Right.

00:01:00.860 He is the author of Confessions of a Reluctant Hater and also New Right vs. Old Right, which

00:01:05.520 we'll spend the hour focusing on.

00:01:07.160 We'll cover a lot of ground and discuss the message of the new North American right.

00:01:12.180 And of course, if there is a new right, there must be a new left.

00:01:15.980 He'll distinguish how the two differ today.

00:01:17.980 Greg shares his vision of European ethno-metopolitics and distinguishes it from fascism and national

00:01:24.140 socialism.

00:01:25.240 What is ethno-nationalism and how can it enable peace for everyone?

00:01:29.340 We'll also ask the question that people avoid.

00:01:31.980 Is human inequality such a bad thing?

00:01:35.220 Later, Greg sets out some basic principles for creating a growing, resilient, networked

00:01:40.060 movement of fellow Europeans who share the drive to break off from our current decaying society 1.00

00:01:45.420 to construct a new republic with a healthy consciousness to uphold our folk.

00:01:50.220 At the end, we'll discuss a chapter from Greg's book called The Perils of Positive Thinking.

00:01:54.880 He explains why positive thinking ultimately cannot save us from the state we're in, both

00:01:59.140 metaphorical and literal.

00:02:01.320 Greg, thanks for being here.

00:02:02.920 Thanks for having me on.

00:02:04.300 Well, I regularly check in on and greatly enjoy your website, Countercurrents, and I am curious

00:02:08.880 about your conversion into nationalism.

00:02:11.020 So tell us how it happened for you.

00:02:12.760 Well, I went through a process, a long process, mostly based upon reading and observing things

00:02:22.120 around me, from being a libertarian when I was an undergraduate student to becoming more

00:02:29.720 conservative by the end of my undergraduate years.

00:02:33.700 And then when I went into graduate school, I was a conservative.

00:02:37.460 I read a lot of neoconservative stuff.

00:02:39.760 The New Criterion was one publication that I subscribed to.

00:02:43.740 I subscribed to commentary primarily because I liked the higher intellectual quality of the

00:02:50.320 neocon writing.

00:02:51.620 In terms of policies, I was more a paleocon, I guess, but I liked the neocon writing.

00:02:57.260 Never could stand National Review.

00:02:59.080 Couldn't even look at it. 0.97

00:03:00.100 It was such an ugly magazine. 1.00

00:03:02.000 Stupid, too. 1.00

00:03:03.540 When I was in graduate school, basically, I started realizing that, first of all, we're 1.00

00:03:10.340 not just universal human beings, right?

00:03:14.560 That we have specific identities.

00:03:17.960 And of course, the liberal project is sort of premised, and the libertarian project is

00:03:22.440 premised on the idea that there's just this universal humanity where these universal bearers

00:03:28.080 of rights, we're basically fungible and interchangeable wherever we go, we're the same.

00:03:34.600 And that idea, I think, is fundamentally false.

00:03:39.440 It goes along with this idea from the Enlightenment that ultimately we can settle everything by appeals

00:03:46.280 to reason, by appeals to nature.

00:03:48.700 Whereas I think, really, in the area of politics, ultimately what happens is you end up making

00:03:55.420 an argument from identity.

00:03:57.440 In political debates, you come back to a principle like this.

00:04:02.060 Well, this is just who I am.

00:04:03.760 This is just what I'm comfortable with.

00:04:06.020 And I can't budge.

00:04:08.600 And in other words, politics ultimately boils down to appeals to identity and being true to

00:04:15.520 yourself.

00:04:16.120 And since there are many different identities, many different groups, if you have those non-negotiable

00:04:23.300 appeals to identity, you're going to have conflict, right?

00:04:27.500 The idea of the Enlightenment is that we can resolve all conflicts because reason is one and

00:04:32.060 truth is one and reality is one, and we can talk it all out and we can come to a consensus.

00:04:37.660 But if in the realm of practical affairs, you ultimately come back to appeals to identity and

00:04:44.340 identity is plural, that whole conflict resolution model is out the window.

00:04:49.300 And therefore, we're never going to live in a world where there's peace and there's no

00:04:54.060 enmity.

00:04:55.360 And really, the only way that we're going to live in a peaceful world or maximize the amount

00:05:00.260 of peace in the world is we have to allow different peoples with different identities

00:05:05.720 to have their own spaces, where they don't have to argue with others, where they don't

00:05:12.280 have to convince others, where they can just live according to their identities, according

00:05:17.880 to the way of life that feels natural to them.

00:05:20.540 And this is true of individuals, too.

00:05:22.720 Just have to share a bathroom with somebody, right? 0.55

00:05:25.780 Or have to share a room, a bedroom with somebody.

00:05:28.660 And you find that there's conflict, and that conflict can be easily removed if you just

00:05:34.580 don't have to share certain spaces.

00:05:37.100 I think it was Virginia Woolf who talked about how basically there would be just as many great

00:05:41.720 women riders as men riders if they only had a room of their own to go to. 1.00

00:05:46.340 My feeling is that nationalism is basically the idea that we all have a country of our own

00:05:52.020 to go to, a place where we can retreat and be ourselves and not be on trial by the

00:05:58.420 standards of universal reason or by the different standards of our neighbors, but where we

00:06:03.840 can simply relax and be at home and be ourselves.

00:06:07.420 And so I became a nationalist really when I realized that there are certain irreducible

00:06:12.500 differences between people and that those have to be respected and honored.

00:06:17.640 And that's the only route to a world that's going to be as close to utopia as possible,

00:06:23.520 where everybody has a country of their own.

00:06:26.600 Well said.

00:06:27.020 And I read your book, New Right versus Old Right, which for me was a lot of fun.

00:06:31.200 But for those just hearing about the new right, what is new about the North American new right?

00:06:35.960 And how does it differ from the old right and the European new right?

00:06:40.320 Well, these are good questions.

00:06:41.920 First of all, I need to say that it was in the 70s that some French journalists basically

00:06:47.220 labeled Alain de Benoit as an exponent of something called the new right.

00:06:52.540 He's never been comfortable with that term.

00:06:55.600 His followers have never been comfortable with that term.

00:06:58.720 They always sort of clear their throats and announce that they're not comfortable with that

00:07:03.820 and that this is a term that other people have placed upon them.

00:07:07.280 Personally, I'm just going to claim that term.

00:07:10.780 I'm sort of following Jonathan Bowden in this.

00:07:13.140 He sort of claimed the term new right.

00:07:14.920 I think it's an okay term because I think that, first of all, it's meaningful to talk about being right wing.

00:07:22.200 I think what's essential about the right is that we believe that human inequality is not always a bad thing.

00:07:30.520 The left is elitist in practice, but in terms of their principles, in terms of their values, they're anti-elitist, they're egalitarian.

00:07:41.300 And I think that that is an essential difference between left and right.

00:07:44.680 In many of my policy views, in many of my sort of lifestyle choices, you know, in the kinds of people I hang out with,

00:07:52.940 in the kinds of coffee bars and neighborhoods I go to, I'm pretty liberal.

00:07:57.020 However, in terms of my basic value orientation, I'm a rightist because I believe that inequality is natural, it's normal, and it's good.

00:08:08.560 Now, what's the difference between the new right and the old right?

00:08:12.260 I think that really you have to talk about the difference between the new left and the old left in order to understand that.

00:08:19.060 The old left was totalitarian.

00:08:22.240 It was militant.

00:08:23.440 It was basically imperialistic, and it was certainly genocidal.

00:08:29.360 We're talking about classical communism.

00:08:32.380 And after the Second World War, basically something called the new left, first it was called Western Marxism,

00:08:39.540 but then the new left was a term that was used in the 1960s primarily.

00:08:44.260 That emerged, and it was an alternative to the totalitarian political model.

00:08:50.720 And basically what it aimed to do was advance the values of the left through different means.

00:08:59.580 Instead of battles in the streets or on battlefields in the old left style,

00:09:07.640 basically what they did is they took a page from Antonio Gramsci, the Italian Marxist,

00:09:13.580 and talked about attaining hegemony in culture.

00:09:19.180 Classical Marxism basically claims that culture is an epiphenomenon of economics and politics.

00:09:26.460 Therefore, to change the culture, you change the political and economic sub-level of society.

00:09:32.440 Whereas Gramsci said, no, we can actually change politics by changing the culture,

00:09:37.660 by changing the way people think and perceive the world.

00:09:40.800 The new left basically has created the strange phenomenon that we have today of a left-wing capitalist oligarchical society.

00:09:52.080 We have a hyper-oligarchical capitalist society, and yet all of its reigning values are basically leftist.

00:09:59.320 And the reason why that's the case is that the left, particularly after the Second World War,

00:10:04.840 put a huge amount of its emphasis on changing culture, changing ideas,

00:10:11.080 and they have achieved a kind of cultural hegemony.

00:10:15.560 And I think that the new right needs to take a page from the new left.

00:10:20.680 We need to reconfigure our project so that we're not imitating old right models anymore.

00:10:31.020 And a lot of people on the right today really do have old right models.

00:10:35.300 You know, they want to have a uniformed militant political party, right,

00:10:39.520 that's centralized and has a leadership principle and aims to create some kind of totalitarian society.

00:10:47.320 What we need to do is we need to deconstruct the existing intellectual and cultural hegemony of the left,

00:10:54.360 and we do that through intellectual and cultural means,

00:10:57.620 and we need to construct a new hegemony, a rightist hegemony,

00:11:03.160 that basically makes the preservation of our race a non-negotiable political principle

00:11:09.100 across the whole political spectrum.

00:11:11.740 That's the aim, as I conceive of it, of the new right.

00:11:15.920 Now, I have to say something, and that is that the old right was totally legitimate 0.96

00:11:22.080 in the tactics that they chose.

00:11:24.880 It was totally legitimate for Hitler and Mussolini to choose paramilitary organizations, 0.97

00:11:32.400 centralization, and a militant kind of totalitarian one-party politics.

00:11:39.140 Why? Because that's what they were fighting against, right?

00:11:42.520 They were fighting against communism, and communism was one of the great dangers that our civilization has faced,

00:11:49.020 the greatest danger since the Muslim invasions, and before that, you know, the Mongols and the Huns. 0.99

00:11:54.720 Communism is one of the worst things that ever happened in human history,

00:11:58.300 and they had to fight it, and they had to fight it using its own means

00:12:02.680 because liberal democracy was not up to the task.

00:12:06.480 So that said, I think it was totally legitimate for them to adopt the strategies and tactics of their enemies

00:12:13.080 in order to defeat them.

00:12:14.840 However, the enemy has adopted new strategies and tactics,

00:12:19.920 and we need to be just as supple and flexible.

00:12:23.360 We need to keep our aims the same,

00:12:25.220 and I do think the aims of the new right are basically the same as the old right.

00:12:29.380 We want some kind of organic society that's ethnically defined,

00:12:34.820 but at the same time, we need to change our means of getting there

00:12:38.660 in order to effectively combat the way that we're actually being ruled,

00:12:45.060 which is not through totalitarian, sort of a hard totalitarianism,

00:12:49.500 but through a kind of soft, intellectual, totalitarian hegemony

00:12:55.180 that the left has created in our culture today.

00:12:58.500 Now, if you boiled down the message of the new North American right,

00:13:02.460 what would it be?

00:13:03.920 Basically, that's a good question,

00:13:06.220 and basically what I say is that what we stand for is truth, justice, and a nice white country.

00:13:13.220 That's what we want.

00:13:14.840 The enemy stands for lies and injustice and multiculturalism. 1.00

00:13:19.500 They stand for mixing it all up and making a pigsty of every white country that exists. 1.00

00:13:26.060 Political correctness, which is sort of the face of the left today,

00:13:30.700 what does that basically boil down to?

00:13:32.400 It boils down to a kind of moralistic drama of lying, right?

00:13:37.540 Political correctness basically has two aspects.

00:13:40.600 One, it's false excuses for privileged groups,

00:13:44.440 and two, it's false accusations of blame directed at us, at white people.

00:13:51.320 That is injustice.

00:13:53.000 It's lying and it's injustice.

00:13:54.900 What we stand for is truth.

00:13:56.640 We're going to tell the truth about race.

00:13:58.700 We're going to tell the truth about identity.

00:14:00.760 We're going to tell the truth about what makes a society work.

00:14:03.860 Justice, for us, means treating people appropriately, given their nature.

00:14:11.460 It's just to treat equal people equally.

00:14:14.640 It's unjust to treat unequal people equally. 1.00

00:14:18.920 And since people are all different, our view of justice basically boils down to

00:14:22.960 treating people appropriately, and that is going to create a hierarchical sort of society.

00:14:29.780 Some people are going to have more.

00:14:31.940 They're going to have more stuff.

00:14:33.120 They're going to have more responsibility.

00:14:34.660 They're going to have more fame and acclaim.

00:14:37.180 Others are going to have less.

00:14:38.740 But we're going to make sure that that is appropriate to real differences in their nature.

00:14:43.000 It's not just based on birth or wealth and things like that.

00:14:47.540 And the third principle, the nice white country, well, that's the aim. 0.84

00:14:52.280 We want to create an ethnostate. 0.98

00:14:54.500 We want to create a lot of ethnostates. 1.00

00:14:56.440 And by ethnostates, I mean basically sovereign entities where distinct ethnic groups have

00:15:05.220 their own country.

00:15:06.960 And that means the Swedes, but it also means the Piedmontese, right?

00:15:14.120 It means the Sicilians.

00:15:15.600 There are lots of different ethnic groups that don't have their own countries today.

00:15:19.220 I was a big supporter of Scottish independence, and I'd love to see Wales become independent

00:15:24.360 too.

00:15:24.700 I really do think that the best solution, again, for ethnic conflict and the best way to create 1.00

00:15:32.600 conditions of peace and progress is to create separate homelands for all the different distinct 0.97

00:15:39.680 white ethnic groups.

00:15:41.160 In the United States, we have more of a generic white humanity. 0.95

00:15:45.920 I think that maybe what will happen in the United States is what I hope will happen in the 1.00

00:15:50.540 United States is the United States will break up into regions, probably along existing jurisdictions,

00:15:57.640 along state boundaries, things like that, or sub-boundaries within states.

00:16:02.440 And so there might be many different white areas in North America.

00:16:06.460 I think that would be a good thing.

00:16:08.340 So anyway, again, we stand for truth, justice, and a nice white country. 0.58

00:16:13.320 Lots of nice white countries.

00:16:14.640 And to gain that, we believe that we're going to have to redraw borders, and we're going to

00:16:19.520 have to move populations around.

00:16:21.820 I think that one of the worst betrayals of Nick Griffin in the British National Party is

00:16:28.640 to give up the idea of repatriating non-whites from England. 0.74

00:16:33.640 These people have no business being there, absolutely no business whatsoever.

00:16:37.440 And if it was feasible for these people to be brought there in the millions, it's feasible

00:16:42.840 for them to leave in the millions.

00:16:44.940 There's nothing that stands in the way of doing that except the political will and courage to do

00:16:49.740 it.

00:16:50.160 And it can be done in a completely humane fashion.

00:16:52.980 It doesn't even have to be a giant government program.

00:16:55.760 Most of these people came under their own volition.

00:16:58.340 They can leave under their own volition once we make clear that this is what we want,

00:17:03.400 and once we create incentives for that to happen.

00:17:07.440 So, again, a nice white country is going to require changing boundaries, and it's going 1.00

00:17:13.020 to require moving populations.

00:17:15.180 But we think it's worth it, because ultimately, if we don't have white nationalism, our race

00:17:21.360 is going to become extinct. 0.96

00:17:23.060 The white race is on the path to extinction right now. 1.00

00:17:26.480 If current trends continue, there will be no white people in the world. 0.98

00:17:31.080 And the only way to really prevent white extinction is for us to have our own sovereign homelands. 0.98

00:17:38.860 Now, some people will say, oh, isn't this fascism or national socialism?

00:17:43.180 So how would you distinguish the difference here?

00:17:45.760 First of all, I'm not going to just say, oh, no, we're not like those horrible people.

00:17:50.880 We are like those people, and I don't think they're horrible, okay?

00:17:55.360 I think fascism and national socialism were totally legitimate responses to their time, 0.54

00:18:01.760 and that they also contain within them things of permanent value.

00:18:06.580 And at the core of them is the idea of restoring a kind of organic, hierarchical society in the

00:18:15.460 context of modernity.

00:18:16.660 And I think that that is a reasonable goal.

00:18:20.840 There's a critique of capitalism.

00:18:22.900 There's a critique of liberalism.

00:18:25.360 There's a critique of internationalism and globalization.

00:18:28.960 All of those things are completely valid, and I want to maintain those.

00:18:33.040 I want to maintain their concern with race, specifically the German national socialists. 0.92

00:18:38.820 We're very concerned with that.

00:18:39.900 The Italians sort of lagged behind.

00:18:42.100 I want to preserve their concern, their absolutely important concern.

00:18:46.660 With identifying the Jewish question, the Jewish problem. 0.89

00:18:50.680 That has to be kept fully in mind.

00:18:53.260 So there's a lot about these people that I agree with and I want to preserve.

00:18:57.680 What's the difference?

00:18:59.000 Well, like I said, I think at the time when they were fighting against totalitarian, imperialist,

00:19:05.740 and genocidal communism, they adopted appropriate countermeasures.

00:19:11.440 They took a gun to a gunfight.

00:19:14.500 Today, we're ruled not by hard totalitarian leftism.

00:19:20.780 We're ruled by a kind of soft totalitarian cultural and intellectual hegemony.

00:19:26.280 And instead of taking a gun to a battle of ideas, we need to take ideas to a battle of ideas.

00:19:32.920 So that's really the difference.

00:19:34.180 And what is the outcome as I view it?

00:19:37.640 Well, my view is this.

00:19:40.440 We live in a society where we have tremendous choices and people feel quite free.

00:19:47.180 The average person feels free.

00:19:49.140 We don't feel free because we see the strings, right?

00:19:53.200 The average person feels quite free.

00:19:55.320 They have all kinds of trivial options to choose from in toothpaste, in politics, and so forth.

00:20:02.300 And it just so happens that the left and at the core of the left, really, is the organized Jewish community.

00:20:10.180 When I talk about left-wing domination, I really am talking about Jewish domination, Jewish hegemony. 0.99

00:20:16.400 They're the key, the core to the left, and they always have been.

00:20:21.780 What we have in America today is we have a range of political options, but every one of those political options is carefully vetted so that it's safe for Jews and it's conducive to Jewish interests.

00:20:37.720 Now, I don't see any reason to change that system, the basic system of having lots of choices.

00:20:43.320 I just want to make sure that once the new right attains power, that all the political choices that people have available to them are safe for whites, right? 0.88

00:20:57.220 White genocide, white extinction, white degradation is going to be off the table and no longer an option for anybody up and down the political spectrum.

00:21:07.380 You simply can't choose that, just like you simply can't choose anything that endangers Jewish interests today. 0.95

00:21:14.060 I think that whites in white countries should be as sacrosanct as Jews are today. 1.00

00:21:21.000 And that's basically the end point.

00:21:23.660 So what would it look like?

00:21:24.900 Well, it would look a lot like today if I had my druthers.

00:21:28.540 There'd be lots of choices.

00:21:30.320 There'd be pluralism in politics.

00:21:31.960 But behind the scenes, basically, there would be a consensus that would vet every political candidate that would be working to create a culture that would be conducive to white interests. 0.59

00:21:46.560 There'd be lots of differences.

00:21:48.020 Whites would still be arguing about abortion and taxes and feminism and so forth, but it would just be an argument within the family, basically, right? 0.52

00:21:58.460 We would have family differences and there would be no option of bringing in outsiders as allies to try to gain advantages over members of one's own extended family.

00:22:11.400 So that's the end game as I conceive of it.

00:22:14.600 Not such a scary prospect because liberals today live under that system. 0.83

00:22:19.960 It's just that it's a system that is rigged to destroy them and their values and all the rest of us.

00:22:26.380 I just want to get rid of that rigging, so to speak.

00:22:30.380 I want to get rid of the anti-white bias and the pro-Jewish bias and switch the system around so it preserves and enhances our interests.

00:22:39.660 Yeah, you talk about why you think it's important for white nationalists to adopt an elitist strategy.

00:22:44.220 And you also talk about directing the message to the educated, the professional classes and above to mold the masses.

00:22:49.900 Can you talk about that?

00:22:50.740 Yeah.

00:22:52.360 First of all, I don't want to carry around the banner of elitism primarily.

00:22:58.240 I think that that's something of a mistake.

00:23:01.960 It's necessary.

00:23:03.180 You have to say it in some context.

00:23:06.140 But we're never going to have a political movement that is potent if we go around saying, you know, we're elitists.

00:23:16.780 You know, vote for us, vote for the few.

00:23:20.320 It's never going to happen because most people are going to look at that and they're going to say, well, what's in your elitism for me?

00:23:26.460 And my attitude about elitism is that it is an inevitable consequence of justice.

00:23:33.940 And there's something in justice for everybody.

00:23:36.620 And so this is why I say, you know, truth, justice in a nice white country. 0.64

00:23:40.940 Justice is something that everybody wants unless you're bad and then you don't want to get what you deserve.

00:23:47.520 Right.

00:23:48.060 But most people want to be treated justly.

00:23:51.160 And one law for the ox and the lion, as William Blake says, is injustice.

00:23:56.860 So what you have to do is you have to have laws that treat equal people equally and unequal people unequally.

00:24:05.680 Aristotle called this proportional equality.

00:24:09.120 The idea is, is that people should be unequal, proportionate to their real worth.

00:24:14.400 That's the model that we want.

00:24:16.440 And what that means is that there will be people who have more responsibility, more fame, et cetera, based on their worth.

00:24:24.800 Now, I think that's important to, to, to bear in mind.

00:24:29.660 What we stand for is justice, but justice will lead to a hierarchy in society.

00:24:35.780 And what we want is we want to make sure that that is a just hierarchy rather than the unjust kind of hierarchies that exist today.

00:24:43.440 Even though we have a society that's constantly paying lip service to equality, it's a very stratified and very unjust society.

00:24:51.920 So where does elitism come in, in terms of our strategy?

00:24:56.680 Well, we have to recognize that for the most part, history is made by minorities. 0.99

00:25:04.720 Most people don't have the time or the understanding or the education to have an impact on society.

00:25:15.180 Most people are just dragged along by the few, by the elites.

00:25:20.340 That's, that's always been the case.

00:25:23.620 The best sort of situation for a people is to have an elite that is organically connected to them and that looks out for their interests.

00:25:32.480 I wrote a piece for Countercurrents called Notes on Populism, Elitism, and Democracy.

00:25:38.260 It's actually in the New Wright versus Old Wright book.

00:25:40.520 And what I make clear in there is that I'm a populist in the sense that I believe that the only legitimate political system looks out for the interests of all the people.

00:25:51.980 OK, however, I also argue that the political system that best looks out for the interests of all people is going to be one where the leadership is on average better than the masses.

00:26:05.940 And most people understand that instinctively.

00:26:09.060 We want our leaders to be better than us on average, just as we want our doctors to know more about medicine than we do and our dentists to know more about teeth than we do.

00:26:21.000 And the guy who sets up our new TV to know more about TV than we do, right?

00:26:27.280 We recognize that expertise gives authority and we want that in politics as in every other area of life.

00:26:36.020 Yet at the same time, we want these experts to be responsive to the interests of the whole.

00:26:40.600 So that's my idea.

00:26:43.560 I think we have to be populist in the sense that we look out for the interests of everybody, elitist in the sense that we recognize that the best way to do that is to have people who are on average smarter and more public-spirited in positions of authority.

00:27:01.240 Now, to get that, what we need to do in the present day is we need to create that elite.

00:27:08.380 Our race is leaderless.

00:27:11.680 There's nobody looking out for the interests of white people. 0.88

00:27:14.960 The people who run our societies are looking out for the interests of Jews.

00:27:19.520 They're looking out for the interests of themselves.

00:27:21.840 They're looking out for the interests of the rich, basically.

00:27:25.960 Nobody's looking out for the interests of whites. 0.78

00:27:28.160 If we're going to have a society where white interests are sacrosanct, we're going to have to have a leadership caste that looks out for white interests. 0.86

00:27:37.500 And the only way to get that is to start appealing to people today who are better than average in terms of intelligence, morality, public spiritedness, taste, and so forth, and try to create that leadership cast that we're going to need down the road.

00:27:56.040 So my approach is basically to search all existing social classes, all existing white constituencies. I'm spreading a very broad net. I want to find the best white people for the cause. 0.73

00:28:12.940 And I want to persuade the best white people of my vision of things and to get them writing, thinking, organizing, and becoming that organically connected elite that will provide the leadership cast for our race.

00:28:29.220 Because eventually we're going to have to take control politically of our own destiny again. And to do that, we have to have the leadership to do that.

00:28:38.320 So that's my goal. And that's why I have an elitist focus. And by an elitist focus, I do not mean that I'm just appealing to the educated.

00:28:48.740 I'm trying to appeal to the best people in all political classes, in all social classes, in all levels of education.

00:28:55.900 There are lots of really bright people who've never been to college. And in fact, some of the brightest people I know are largely self-educated.

00:29:02.820 So I'm not a snob in the social class sense of the term, although I do recognize that people with better educations and more money do have more power in society.

00:29:13.540 But I am a snob in the sense that I want to find the best people, no matter where they are in the current social system.

00:29:21.380 And I want to bring them into my vision of things because I do think we need a leadership cast that will actually take the interests of our race into account.

00:29:31.120 Now, you also write about the need to focus on metapolitics and you compare it to occult warfare.

00:29:36.820 And the points you talk about is one, propaganda, two, community organizing. Can you talk about this?

00:29:42.920 Yeah. Metapolitics is just a term that refers to the things that have to be established for there to be political change.

00:29:51.780 And basically what I do is I break metapolitics down into two categories.

00:29:56.960 One is the battle of ideas, propaganda, basically, and two, community organizing.

00:30:04.960 There are certain ideas that need to be established in people's minds if we're going to live in a white nationalist society.

00:30:13.480 We have to get people concerned with the danger to our race.

00:30:19.380 We have to awaken people to the fact that there are bigger problems than abortion and school prayer and going on in the Middle East.

00:30:31.120 Namely, our race is becoming extinct.

00:30:34.140 It's that dire.

00:30:36.520 And we need to be as worried about white extinction as some people are worried about Bengal tigers and snail darters and rare frogs that are going extinct as well.

00:30:48.140 We're going to be extinct.

00:30:50.140 And when the white race goes extinct, all those other species are going to go extinct too because we're the only ones who really care about preserving them. 1.00

00:30:57.340 So we need to awaken people to the danger.

00:31:00.620 We need to awaken people to their identity.

00:31:04.140 We need to get white people to think of themselves as white people and to think of themselves as white people unapologetically.

00:31:12.180 So there's a moral element to this too.

00:31:14.660 We have to teach people that it's not only normal to belong to a group, but it's also right to take your group's side in conflicts.

00:31:25.940 White people have had that notion bred out of them, and we need to start taking our own side because we do live in a world of ethnic conflicts.

00:31:34.400 And we also need to have ideas about what's feasible.

00:31:38.900 Nobody is going to accept the idea of the white ethno-state if they think that it's simply impossible to create.

00:31:47.580 And so we have to convince people that it is possible.

00:31:50.880 So these are metapolitical ideas that need to be argued out and established, and they need to be propagated to all white groups. 0.71

00:32:01.280 And we need to have ways of propagating these things and making them appealing to every white constituency, every white age group, every white ethnic group, every white nation, and so forth.

00:32:10.860 So that's important.

00:32:12.740 That's the intellectual aspect of metapolitics.

00:32:17.700 And that's why political diversity among pro-whites can also be a good thing, right? 0.94

00:32:21.960 Whites are a diverse group, and pro-whites are going to need to be able to speak to all different groups.

00:32:29.880 And so the more diversity among pro-whites, the more ways that we have of matching up with the existing diversity of white groups.

00:32:37.080 And so it helps us, right?

00:32:39.740 We should embrace that.

00:32:41.440 That's a strength.

00:32:43.200 It really is a strength.

00:32:44.740 Now, the community organizing aspect of metapolitics is basically the idea that, well, it's got to be more than just ideas.

00:32:51.720 We have to have existing communities among white people. 0.53

00:32:56.440 I'm not talking about political parties.

00:32:59.360 That's politics proper.

00:33:00.900 I'm talking about metapolitics.

00:33:02.280 I'm just talking about real-world networks, families, extended families, tribes, mutual aid networks, existing businesses, and things like that, where we have our people.

00:33:14.100 We have to think in terms of taking it off the Internet and geographically localizing things and building real communities.

00:33:25.440 So that's the second part of metapolitics.

00:33:28.040 My focus is on those two things, mostly on the battle of ideas because I'm just one guy out here on the Internet, right?

00:33:35.240 So that's primarily what I can do.

00:33:38.480 However, one of the things that I do try and do in the community organizing field is to bring together people that I know of who are in the same area but who might not know one another and get them to meet one another and try and foster face-to-face interactions amongst our readers.

00:33:57.900 Countercurrents is a node.

00:33:59.900 I have all this information going out, and I have all these people checking in.

00:34:04.660 When people check in, they say, hey, I like your work.

00:34:07.340 Here's a donation.

00:34:08.480 Here's a book order.

00:34:09.840 I look at the address, and I say, wait a second here.

00:34:12.840 I know another guy in the same little town in Florida that you're in right now.

00:34:17.320 Do you want to meet?

00:34:18.840 And they say, yeah, sure.

00:34:20.240 And so I put these people in touch, and suddenly two very lonely dissidents have somebody that they can meet for coffee.

00:34:29.460 It's a small beginning, but the longest journey begins with a single step, right?

00:34:34.240 So another thing that I do to this end is I go around and make occasional talks and meet people in the real world.

00:34:42.560 I used to have these dinners and things like that.

00:34:44.740 And at these dinners, I discovered that there were a couple of people in the same town who came to my dinner, but they didn't know each other in the real world.

00:34:54.720 So I made sure that everybody in the room raised their hands and said what town they're from.

00:34:59.120 And I said, hey, you two are from Petaluma.

00:35:02.000 You better get together after the talk and exchange cards.

00:35:06.980 So I've done that kind of stuff.

00:35:08.460 I'd like to do more of it, but there's only so many hours in the day.

00:35:13.520 Sure.

00:35:14.220 So those are two areas that I'm focused on.

00:35:19.000 And I'm hoping that if the metapolitical foundations are strong, right, then somebody's going to come along with the right combination of political skills and charisma at the right time politically.

00:35:34.780 And suddenly it's going to be possible for there to be a really effective political movement that will just gel.

00:35:41.980 But until those metapolitical foundations are in place, there's going to be a lot of headwind against it.

00:35:47.720 It's going to be very thin and astroturfy.

00:35:50.600 There's going to be no grassroots basis for it because there's no real grassroots white community, conscious white community, right? 0.62

00:36:00.080 Most of our people are unconscious.

00:36:03.500 And we have to change that.

00:36:05.500 Well, some people claim that the genocide of Europeans is something we did to ourselves.

00:36:10.480 And I know you strongly oppose this.

00:36:12.300 So to what extent is white dispossession our fault?

00:36:15.000 Well, once we are fully aware of the problem and we choose to do nothing, I think then we become part of the problem, right?

00:36:29.500 However, most people are not responsible for what's happening to them.

00:36:33.720 Again, politics is something that is created by elites and it's done to most people.

00:36:40.740 White dispossession is being done to white people.

00:36:44.920 And I really strongly oppose this sort of grandiose idea that people say, oh, we're doing it to ourselves. 0.98

00:36:52.260 Our race is committing suicide.

00:36:53.920 It's not true.

00:36:55.540 Our race is not committing suicide.

00:36:58.260 Some people are doing this to the rest of us.

00:37:02.120 And who are those people?

00:37:03.820 Well, they're disproportionately Jews.

00:37:05.880 They're not even whites. 0.85

00:37:07.180 And so my view is that it's closer to the truth to say that whites are being murdered and that the people who are putting in place the trends that are leading to white dispossession and white extinction are disproportionately Jewish and that Jews are not only disproportionately responsible for setting up this system. 0.90

00:37:29.240 They are the main impediment to changing it.

00:37:32.420 And I think that's an important distinction.

00:37:34.400 A lot of whites will get. 0.66

00:37:37.180 Sidetracked, basically, arguing about what percentage of our problems are caused by Jews as opposed to Christianity or capitalism or whatever.

00:37:51.020 And it's an argument about whether we're doing it to ourselves or whether it's being done to us.

00:37:56.040 That can be sterile. 0.98

00:37:58.180 Arguing that point, we can do that forever.

00:38:00.260 Ultimately, though, we're not a debating society and we're not here to establish merely historical points.

00:38:08.760 We're here to change the future.

00:38:11.640 And when you talk about changing the future, when you talk about changing the existing trends that are destroying our race, ask yourself, who's standing in the way?

00:38:22.020 It's the organized Jewish community there, the lynchpin of resistance to every sensible policy to limit white extinction, basically, white dispossession. 0.72

00:38:34.400 And so when you start thinking politically and you start looking at who lines up against us, it's the Jews. 0.98

00:38:41.680 The Jews are the lynchpin of it. 1.00

00:38:43.700 They're not the sole group. 0.85

00:38:44.860 They're very small in number.

00:38:47.080 They're very powerful.

00:38:48.260 And they have power because they're good at making coalitions.

00:38:53.480 Right.

00:38:53.760 So the Jews are the core of this minority disgruntled coalition, of course, which basically is the majority of humanity when you start incorporating all non-whites into it. 1.00

00:39:05.960 But within white societies, they organize non-white minorities, they organize gays and lesbians, they organize environmentalists, anybody on the left.

00:39:17.480 They try and organize and make part of their coalition in order to project power.

00:39:22.340 Yet at the same time, when you look at which policies dominate, it's the Jewish agenda of white race replacement that always dominates. 0.94

00:39:34.140 So, for instance, feminists, they always fall silent when anybody brings up the problem of rape. 1.00

00:39:43.820 Because, you know, when you look at rape in Scandinavia, it's not Scandinavian men who are raping women levels that you find in a war zone. 0.99

00:39:53.420 It's non-white immigrants. 1.00

00:39:55.080 And yet, where are the feminists opposing this? 1.00

00:39:58.620 There are no candlelight marches against Islamization.

00:40:01.300 They're silent because the feminist agenda is always trumped by the Jewish anti-white race replacement agenda. 0.66

00:40:09.980 And we need to break up the coalition of the left by making clear that these non-Jewish groups on the left that are part of the leftist coalition will never get their way whenever their values conflict with white race replacement. 0.97

00:40:28.400 It's true of gays and lesbians. 0.99

00:40:31.640 It's true of feminists. 1.00

00:40:32.920 It's true of environmentalists.

00:40:34.960 All of these groups, they routinely get steamrolled whenever there's a chance to bring in more diversity.

00:40:42.980 Well, on that note, is Judaic Christianity compatible with white nationalism?

00:40:47.320 Well, when you put the Judeo in there, it sort of prejudices me.

00:40:53.460 Yeah, because there's a lot of, I know there's a lot of nationalists, you know, the Christian versus pagan argument.

00:40:58.800 Yeah, I think that's an important discussion to have.

00:41:01.760 I think that the value system of Christianity is incompatible with white nationalism. 0.55

00:41:09.880 I think that if you look at the suicidal values, if you will, that a lot of whites do have programmed into them, they are justified in terms of Christian doctrine, Christian attitudes. 0.73

00:41:23.360 And, you know, we'd be better off weaning these people away from these attitudes.

00:41:29.280 When you start talking about the necessity of taking our own side in ethnic conflicts, the first thing a lot of people will say is, well, I mean, that goes against my Christian values, turning the other cheek and things like that.

00:41:44.140 It's a problem.

00:41:45.000 It's definitely a problem.

00:41:46.740 So I think we need to have a mature discussion of this within our ranks.

00:41:51.380 I'm not a Christian.

00:41:52.360 I've never been a Christian in the sense that I believe in the Christian value system.

00:41:59.440 And I think that it's a weakness in our race.

00:42:03.160 It's one of the weaknesses that has allowed Jews so much power over us. 1.00

00:42:06.820 Because, of course, if you believe the New Testament, then the Jews have a particularly important place in the history of mankind and in the salvation history of mankind.

00:42:17.440 And that has given them a great deal of power over us, for one thing.

00:42:22.360 So my tendency is to think that Christianity is one of the weaknesses in our society. 1.00

00:42:28.000 And I think that as Western man, as whites become less influenced by Christianity, I think that maybe that is going to open up the possibility of being less, how to put it, sheep-like and weak in the face of our impending genocide, basically. 0.70

00:42:48.900 So that's my hope.

00:42:50.560 Well, another weakness we have, and you talk about it in a chapter called the perils of positive thinking.

00:42:56.340 Ultimately, you say it cannot save our people.

00:42:58.700 Can you talk about this?

00:42:59.540 Yeah, the perils of positive thinking.

00:43:02.180 I wrote that because, and the perils of positive thinking piece sort of relates to the blame ourselves meme that goes around, too.

00:43:11.420 I definitely think that people who want to keep it all positive and people who want to not go populist and not talk about reasons for white people to feel resentment and anger are on the wrong track.

00:43:29.560 Because our race is being destroyed, we have every reason to be righteously resentful and angry about that.

00:43:37.800 And the people who say, keep it positive, I think they're, well, they're sort of delusional.

00:43:43.700 Yeah.

00:43:44.280 It's like sticking daisies in the rifles of soldiers.

00:43:48.280 It's not a very effective countermeasure.

00:43:50.400 You know, talk about taking a knife to a gunfight.

00:43:52.800 How about taking a daisy to a gunfight?

00:43:55.320 It's sort of a hippy-dippy non-starter thing.

00:43:59.160 I think that being negative and being depressed is a bad thing.

00:44:03.160 I'm a fundamentally optimistic person in terms of the struggle.

00:44:07.480 But I think the people who say we got to keep it all positive are wrong.

00:44:12.600 We need to fully embrace and understand the horror that's being committed against us.

00:44:22.060 And we need to fully mobilize the righteous indignation that white dispossession and white extinction should be causing. 0.97

00:44:31.380 Yep.

00:44:32.100 Would you say that we're still in the early stages of formulating the foundations for a white republic? 0.94

00:44:38.920 Yes and no.

00:44:40.120 I mean, I think the basic ideas are there.

00:44:44.260 I don't think that we need to worry too much about what legal system we'll have and will there be two houses of parliament or one or anything like that.

00:44:56.520 All of that stuff has been done, basically.

00:45:00.620 Whites have come up with brilliant systems of government for thousands of years. 0.99

00:45:04.460 It's in our genes.

00:45:05.360 We've got that handled.

00:45:07.920 As soon as white people put our minds to it, as soon as we get serious about it, the political stuff will simply take care of itself.

00:45:16.460 What we're in the early stage of is convincing people of the necessity of doing that.

00:45:21.240 So blueprints and coming up with flags and uniforms and stuff like that, that's all premature.

00:45:28.120 All of that will take care of itself.

00:45:30.080 And a lot of that stuff has already been taken care of by the rich political tradition that whites already have. 0.83

00:45:35.580 The United States Constitution, you could spruce that up a little bit and it would be just fine.

00:45:43.140 I honestly think so.

00:45:44.320 But we're at the just beginning stages of getting people to realize the necessity of reorienting politics away from center left, center right stuff that we're bickering about, which doesn't really matter, towards preserving our race.

00:46:01.420 Once people get their minds wrapped around the danger and the necessity of moving towards a white republic, politics will take care of itself. 0.87

00:46:09.840 But we're just at the beginning of that journey.

00:46:12.700 Now, what can you say to willing, intelligent folks who they're passionate about this cause but don't know what they can do?

00:46:18.880 It depends on where they are in their lives, what they have going for them, if they're just starting out, if they're well-established, if they have a lot of independence or if they're very dependent on others for their livelihood.

00:46:33.480 So there are a lot of different options.

00:46:35.660 I guess the first thing I would say to anybody is to just get educated about these things and get passionate about it.

00:46:43.160 Second is to take stock of your life and determine what you can do, what you're willing to give up, what you're willing to spend, and therefore what you can do within those parameters.

00:46:54.660 I think it's very important for you to meet other people in your area who share these views.

00:46:59.400 But you've got to be really careful because, you know, some of the best people I know are white nationalists and some of the worst people I've ever encountered are white nationalists.

00:47:08.360 You've got to be a little careful about who you meet.

00:47:11.620 You know, don't invite people to your house that you've never met before.

00:47:15.920 That can be a very big mistake.

00:47:18.300 People on the left are very careful about that.

00:47:20.680 They're involved in left-wing organizing and stuff like that.

00:47:23.920 They always pick neutral places to meet people.

00:47:28.020 They don't invite somebody they've never met to their house.

00:47:30.920 So we need to be smart about things like that.

00:47:33.460 So get educated and start making connections with like-minded people in your area.

00:47:39.420 Those are the first things that you can do.

00:47:42.520 After that, the direction you go sort of depends on where you are in your life, what your resources are, etc.

00:47:48.420 If you're retired, if you're quite comfortable, you might consider becoming a more open advocate.

00:47:54.720 If you're just a college student starting out in life, you don't want to go through life with a big cloud of controversy over your head.

00:48:01.740 You might want to think about being a secret agent rather than a standard-bearer, a public standard-bearer.

00:48:08.540 The point that I try and make in New Right vs. Old Right and my other writings is that, again, we have to be willing to accept a whole range of different white options, right? 0.77

00:48:22.440 And we have to allow every white person who's racially conscious to determine his or her own level of explicitness and involvement. 0.98

00:48:31.540 And we're not going to be chewing them out and saying, you coward.

00:48:37.220 I don't know why certain people make the decisions they make, right? 0.96

00:48:40.840 Especially people I've never met.

00:48:42.340 And I'm not going to question their decisions.

00:48:44.820 I will try and persuade everybody to expand their comfort zone, right, to do more.

00:48:51.900 I'm constantly trying to persuade people to do more.

00:48:54.840 But I respect people who need to keep it on the down low, so to speak, who want to be secret agents.

00:49:01.240 We need people like that because if every person who believes what we believe suddenly decided on national coming out as a white nationalist day to out themselves,

00:49:12.860 well, the system would have them in its beams and a lot of these people would be scarred and jobless and friendless and be harmed by it.

00:49:23.700 And that would only make the system stronger and the movement weaker.

00:49:28.100 So I don't want that to happen.

00:49:30.180 So I think we need to...

00:49:31.900 Stay in the nationalist closet.

00:49:33.900 Some people need to and we need to respect those decisions.

00:49:37.720 Other people who can afford to be out there, they should be out there.

00:49:43.360 And I want there to be more explicit white nationalists.

00:49:46.260 I want there to be people in every community that are known as white nationalists.

00:49:51.520 I talked to Robert Taylor of the band Changes recently.

00:49:55.960 And he talked about his own activism.

00:49:58.620 And he said one of the most important things for any activist to think about is, first of all, you've got to sell yourself as a person before you can sell your message, your program.

00:50:13.120 And I think that's a very important thing for people to contemplate.

00:50:17.400 Because if you're living in a community and you're not very well known in that community and suddenly you become an explicit white nationalist, well, you know, you're going to be the local crank.

00:50:28.020 Because a lot of people are not going to know who you are and they're only going to know you as somebody who has aberrant, radical political views.

00:50:36.800 That's probably not a good way of going about it.

00:50:40.340 You're not going to do much for the cause and you're not going to do much for yourself.

00:50:44.100 You're going to find that you're eventually going to get kind of alienated and burned out.

00:50:48.520 And we don't want that.

00:50:49.480 We want people to stick with this in the long haul.

00:50:53.600 So what do you do if you want to become the local white nationalist guy?

00:50:58.700 Well, first of all, it's important for people to know who you are without the politics, right?

00:51:04.660 It's important for you to be a good dad and a good little league coach and a member of various community groups and some guy who's involved with the art show.

00:51:17.960 Just anything that makes you a public known figure and sells you as an individual.

00:51:23.880 If you are a well-established member of the community, people like you for who you are.

00:51:28.860 People know that you're responsible and public-spirited and altruistic and trustworthy.

00:51:34.860 And then it comes out that you have some kind of aberrant political views.

00:51:38.380 It's not going to hurt you as much.

00:51:40.760 And in fact, by being a stand-up guy and a member of the community, it's actually going to advertise positively those views.

00:51:49.040 And so one of the things I'm going to say to everybody who wants to be involved with this thing is to make yourself as good a person as possible as an individual and as a member of the community.

00:52:00.060 Be as well-liked and likable and deserving of being liked as possible.

00:52:06.460 Be involved.

00:52:07.460 You know, if it's animal rights or organizing a farmer's market or whatever, be involved.

00:52:14.280 Sell yourself as an individual.

00:52:16.700 Be a person who's trusted.

00:52:18.100 And when your ideas come out or when you decide to talk about your ideas, you're going to have some authority.

00:52:26.640 And it's going to cushion the blow.

00:52:28.700 And you're going to find that you might be in a very strong position to actually persuade people and change people's minds.

00:52:35.160 So that's something to think about.

00:52:36.620 So Robert Taylor said, sell yourself first before you sell your ideas.

00:52:41.740 Establish yourself first before you start establishing your ideas.

00:52:45.120 I think that's a very wise bit of advice.

00:52:48.100 Yeah, it reminds me of Kai Muros.

00:52:49.980 You know, he's right.

00:52:50.680 I hate to say it, but in today's world, you have to be well-packaged and also sell the idea culturally.

00:52:56.560 Nationalism has to look cool.

00:52:58.180 People have to want to be a part of it.

00:52:59.800 Unfortunately, that's how it is.

00:53:01.240 That's true.

00:53:02.140 And isn't it always better to be cool anyway?

00:53:04.900 Jonathan Bowden talks about that, too.

00:53:09.680 Part of the appeal of our ideas is that they are a little out there.

00:53:14.840 What you ideally want is you want our advocates to be people who are intelligible and respectable and well-established in their communities, but they got something a little dangerous and odd about them.

00:53:29.700 Because that's also very appealing, right?

00:53:32.920 You don't want to be totally out there.

00:53:35.260 You don't want to be some guy with long, stringy hair and a sandwich board standing in the park baying about the end of the race or something like that.

00:53:42.960 That just makes you the local crank.

00:53:46.560 But, you know, if you're totally indistinguishable from any other milquetoast Rotarian, that's not a good thing either.

00:53:53.260 So what you've got to be is you've got to be the well-respected local guy who's a little touched and a little different, a little demonic.

00:54:03.240 You've got to have something, a quality of idealism, a visionary quality that sets you apart.

00:54:09.420 And so I think that's a hard thing to get.

00:54:12.100 You've got to be a little cooler than the rest of people, a little more dangerous than the rest of people, but you can't be totally out there.

00:54:19.720 And I think most people who are nationalists, that would be a good balance, right?

00:54:24.880 It would be a good balance to be well-respected, securely employed, member of your community, but also be somebody that people look to as like, wow, this guy is not just together, but he's a little further out there than the rest of us.

00:54:41.000 And he has a vision that suddenly doesn't seem totally aberrant and crazy and evil, but something that you want to hear about.

00:54:49.620 You're the well-known local white nationalist, but you're kind of untouchable because you've sold yourself and established yourself. 0.65

00:54:56.840 That can happen.

00:54:58.080 That can happen.

00:54:58.820 And that's a good model to look towards.

00:55:01.080 Well, I really see the new countercultures coming out and it's young nationalists.

00:55:06.240 I see, you know, good looking, well-dressed, they're fun, they're trendsetters, they have an edge.

00:55:11.500 I think we're going to see a lot of that coming out probably even in the next 10 years.

00:55:15.440 I totally agree.

00:55:16.540 I think the trend that I've seen since I've gotten involved with this, I've been really involved with this for 14 years now.

00:55:23.920 The trend has been every year, it seems like the average age of people involved is younger.

00:55:29.980 The average education level is a little higher.

00:55:33.880 The sex ratio thing is a little more balanced every year.

00:55:38.600 When I got started, I was like the youngest person involved and it was a room of gray-headed men.

00:55:43.720 Okay, now it's a room with 30% women or 40% women in some groups and the average age of people is under 40.

00:55:55.800 That's a huge change and I think that's a change that really makes us, makes me hopeful because you need to be able to look and see the future of our cause.

00:56:07.220 When the cause is over 60, it doesn't have much future, but younger people have more future.

00:56:12.500 And so when I see younger people who are really together involved in this, it's just encouraging.

00:56:17.540 It's a concrete proof that our race has a little bit more of a future than it did just a few years ago.

00:56:24.140 One of the things I like to say is that we do represent the interests, we strive to represent the interests of all white people.

00:56:31.460 But at the same time, we also have to bear in mind, back of our mind maybe, that whites as a race do not have a future right now. 0.61

00:56:42.940 We might be becoming the whites who have a future. 1.00

00:56:46.800 And that's what I see when I go to these gatherings now.

00:56:49.240 When I went to the London Forum meeting back in September, it was a very impressive group of people and I really felt these are white people with a future. 0.63

00:56:57.220 It might not be the whole race right now, but there is a group of whites who are forming now that do have a future and that's very encouraging.

00:57:06.480 Well, as we end the hour, please share any closing remarks for us and give us your website and book details.

00:57:11.760 Okay, well, I've written two books now.

00:57:14.200 One is called Confessions of a Reluctant Hater and the other is New Right vs. Old Right.

00:57:20.120 And both of those are available from CounterCurrents Publishing.

00:57:24.660 I am the owner of CounterCurrents.

00:57:26.760 I'm the editor-in-chief.

00:57:28.440 CounterCurrents is also a website and a webzine.

00:57:31.060 The webzine is officially called North American New Right that everyone just calls it CounterCurrents.

00:57:36.380 And to get to it, you go to counter-currents.com.

00:57:41.220 That's counter-currents.com.

00:57:44.260 I really recommend you check our work out.

00:57:46.820 I'm prejudiced, but I think it's the best English language, right-wing, new right kind of webzine out there.

00:57:53.480 I agree.

00:57:54.120 We try and publish new stuff every weekday.

00:57:56.800 A number of days we have multiple new things on the website.

00:58:00.420 It's a growing community.

00:58:01.860 It's a growing movement.

00:58:03.480 It's getting younger and smarter and cooler and more effective.

00:58:08.480 And every day I get up, I feel new concrete reasons to be hopeful for the future.

00:58:15.140 So I really want to thank you for all the work you're doing at Red Ice Radio.

00:58:19.980 I think you're part of this rising tide, and I really appreciate the chance to be on your show.

00:58:25.660 All right.

00:58:25.980 Thank you so much.

00:58:27.740 Why do I keep harping on this subject?

00:58:30.040 Because I don't want to live in a monoculture with a monomind and a monosystem,

00:58:34.700 because that's what's being created intentionally.

00:58:37.040 Why is this vital to prevent?

00:58:38.560 I addressed this in the outro of my last interview with Tim Murdoch,

00:58:42.280 where I discussed the metaphysical aspect of preserving ethnicity and culture.

00:58:46.720 This is not just about something biological, so please listen to it if you're interested.

00:58:51.040 Well, you may not agree with the idea of an ethnostate, but who are you to say what others shouldn't have?

00:58:56.360 I have zero issues with any group of people who would like to pull away and form a society of their own peacefully.

00:59:01.300 For example, if the Tamil people, a Dravidian ethnic group, created an ethnostate,

00:59:07.000 you know that Westerners would support it.

00:59:09.280 What if a group of mixed-race people wanted to peacefully secede and have a mini-country of their own with only mixed-heritage occupants? 1.00

00:59:16.880 How about if a group of African-Americans said they wanted to preserve their African traditions

00:59:21.200 by seceding and creating a state of their own to live separately in order to preserve their traditions

00:59:27.080 instead of becoming a part of the American melting pot?

00:59:30.020 Or, what if a group of gays, feminists, or communists wanted to secede peacefully and form a republic of their own? 0.92

00:59:38.060 Would you be against it?

00:59:39.660 Now, what about if a group of European-Americans seceded peacefully and created a white republic?

00:59:46.200 If you felt friction internally resistance to this idea,

00:59:49.940 then you aren't as high-minded and evolved as you think you are.

00:59:53.160 If you really desire freedom, then we should be standing for political and social pluralism for all.

00:59:59.040 And the only way we can truly facilitate this is through secession and nationalism.

01:00:05.020 I've done several interviews on this idea because it is the way forward to break up the current monopoly of power and suppression,

01:00:12.000 whether it's political, racial, physical, environmental, financial, etc., etc.

01:00:17.900 There's nothing hateful about people wanting to live with the people they love in a way that they desire.

01:00:23.220 No one wants to be tolerated.

01:00:25.340 They want to be accepted.

01:00:27.020 This happens when you live with the people who are most like yourself.

01:00:30.140 You can find me, Lana Lochteff, on Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Stitcher, and on RSS.

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01:00:49.480 I'll leave you with a song by a group called HUVA Network,

01:00:52.240 which stands for Humans Under Visual Atmospheres.

01:00:55.120 It's a musical collaboration between a Swede named Magnus Bergesson of Solar Fields

01:00:59.840 and a Frenchman named Vincent Villius of Ace Dana.

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Radio 3Fourteen - October 24, 2014

The New Right_ The New Left _ Ethnonationalism

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