Radio 3Fourteen - The Northern War of Aggression _ Civil War Disinfo

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00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.500 Hello, everyone. This is Lana.

00:00:47.760 So what do you think of when I say American South? 1.00

00:00:49.960 If you just thought about racists, bigots, slavery, closet gays, or fat, white trash, beer-drinking, drunk-driving rednecks, 1.00

00:01:01.140 then you've been successfully programmed with anti-Southern heritage propaganda. 0.99

00:01:05.700 I'm not saying these don't exist in the South, but it's not as common as we're told to believe by the transmission belts of PC culture.

00:01:12.860 If you haven't heard the Southern side of the Civil War, you're about to relearn history.

00:01:16.880 As shocking as it may be, the Civil War was not about slavery.

00:01:20.980 I repeat, it was not about slavery.

00:01:23.840 In fact, when the war started, supposedly, over slavery, Northern states still held slaves even after the war.

00:01:31.180 The war was not about freeing slaves.

00:01:33.940 This true story involves a powerful central government, a tariff war, and the fight for Southern independence.

00:01:39.900 My guest, Michael T. Griffith, holds a master's degree in theology, a graduate certificate in ancient and classical history,

00:01:47.960 a bachelor's degree in liberal arts, two associate in applied science degrees,

00:01:53.140 and an advanced certificate of Civil War studies and a certificate of Civil War studies from Carroll College.

00:01:59.680 He is a two-time graduate of the Defense Language Institute in Arabic and Hebrew and of the U.S. Air Force Technical Training School.

00:02:06.160 He is the author of four books, numerous articles, and a DVD called A Southern View of the Civil War.

00:02:12.880 Welcome, Mike. Thanks for being here with us.

00:02:15.040 Thank you. Glad to be here.

00:02:17.020 Before we discuss the Southern side of the Civil War, tell us a bit about your background.

00:02:21.940 Okay. Well, until about late 2001, I was very, very anti-Southern heritage.

00:02:30.700 I always thought of myself as a Yankee.

00:02:35.560 I had no use for the Confederate flag.

00:02:38.620 I thought it was a horrible symbol, and I just couldn't understand why anyone would fly it.

00:02:46.480 In fact, I can remember when I was in the Army, we had some EO training, equal opportunity training,

00:02:57.120 and the subject of the Confederate flag came up, and I still cringe now.

00:03:03.260 But at the time, I was very outspoken against even having it hanging up in your room in the barracks.

00:03:12.440 I was like, why would you want to do that?

00:03:15.380 It's a horrible symbol.

00:03:16.300 I mean, don't you understand what that flag stands for?

00:03:21.700 Sure. Et cetera, et cetera.

00:03:24.060 As for my personal background, I was in the Army for 21 years.

00:03:32.020 I was an Arabic and Hebrew linguist.

00:03:36.080 I was overseas for several years.

00:03:39.300 I retired from the Army in June of 2003, 2003, and then went to work as a contractor in the intelligence field,

00:03:50.640 and that's where I am now.

00:03:52.500 Okay.

00:03:53.780 At what point did you begin to realize that what you were taught about the Civil War in school was wrong?

00:03:59.200 Well, here's how that happened.

00:04:00.320 We were down in Mississippi visiting my mom.

00:04:09.480 She lives in Gulfport, Mississippi, and I had driven by the Jefferson Davis home on the way back or to the Alexi shopping mall there,

00:04:23.860 and, you know, I saw this huge Confederate flag flying on the grounds of the Jefferson Davis home.

00:04:34.160 I just thought it was awful.

00:04:35.480 I just thought, oh, my goodness.

00:04:36.720 What racists, right?

00:04:38.920 And so I got home to my mom's house, that is, and I just happened to mention, just as an aside,

00:04:46.660 I was like, you know, on the way home, I drove by that Jefferson Davis home, and there was a huge Confederate flag flying.

00:04:55.680 I can't believe they can even do that.

00:04:57.940 Now, my mom had never, ever said anything to me about the Civil War.

00:05:03.820 All the time, growing up, she never uttered a word.

00:05:08.960 And, in fact, she, I always thought that she was fairly liberal.

00:05:13.640 And as soon as I said that, you know, the thing about the Confederate flag, she, her whole countenance, I mean, her eyes got really intense.

00:05:25.500 And she said, Michael, your ancestors fought for the Confederacy, and they would be ashamed to hear you say that.

00:05:33.800 And I was like, what?

00:05:35.900 I have ancestors who fought in the Confederacy?

00:05:38.840 Don't tell anyone this.

00:05:40.120 I was like, oh, my goodness, Mom, you never told me this.

00:05:45.640 Anyway, so, and I said, Mom, are you kidding me?

00:05:48.680 What are you talking about?

00:05:49.620 And long story short, she just said, well, you know, that I had been brainwashed and that I had only read one side of the story, et cetera, et cetera.

00:06:02.220 And I just, I would, you know, I was sitting there thinking, well, that's because there is only one side of the story, Mom.

00:06:08.660 And so she just dared me to go down to the Jefferson Davis home, go to the bookstore there, and buy a couple books that gave the southern side.

00:06:23.080 And I was like, I don't even want to be seen walking into that place.

00:06:25.900 Are you kidding me?

00:06:26.760 But anyway, I said, okay, you know what?

00:06:29.560 You know what?

00:06:30.000 I'll do it.

00:06:30.800 Just to say, okay, I've read what they have to say.

00:06:35.440 I went down there, and I bought Jefferson Davis' book, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, and I bought Chili's book, Facts the Historians Leave Out.

00:06:52.240 And I was blown away.

00:06:54.040 I was totally blown away.

00:06:55.700 And that really, that started my interest in the subject, and I, so I just, I began to read anything that I could get my hands on, and now here I am.

00:07:13.320 Yeah, it's always good to question the official version of history.

00:07:17.300 So as a refresher for people, can you give us a brief summary of what the official textbook version of the Civil War teaches us?

00:07:24.480 Yeah.

00:07:25.700 Basically, that the South started the war, that they fought over slavery, that the North fought the war to liberate the slaves, and that the South was just always the bully in the case, always trying to take control of the government at all times, I mean, to have their way all the time in the government.

00:07:52.860 And that's basically, you know, that the war started when the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter, and that that was an unprovoked attack, you know, with just an innocent out of the blue, I mean, an attack out of the blue on an innocent federal garrison there at the fort.

00:08:20.200 And that's why the North invaded, essentially, that's how I view it.

00:08:27.520 In fact, in fact, it's interesting, I always thought that the South had invaded the North.

00:08:33.920 I, you know, I just had assumed that, well, if the, if the South started the war, well, then they, you know, they must have invaded.

00:08:42.580 I knew about Gettysburg, just that there had been a battle there.

00:08:46.340 So I just figured that was part of the Southern invasion.

00:08:49.940 Yeah.

00:08:51.420 I was surprised to learn that almost all the fighting happened in the South and that, that it was the North that had invaded the South.

00:09:00.480 I mean, even that much was a surprise.

00:09:02.660 Oh, yeah.

00:09:03.460 I mean, I mean, that's how, that's how erroneous my, my thinking on it was.

00:09:10.000 Now, if we go back a little bit, why did the South secede?

00:09:15.560 Well, I think, I think that that's a two part or that, that, that the answer there is a two part answer.

00:09:22.060 Because, um, there were two waves of succession.

00:09:27.760 There was the first wave involving the Gulf Coast states or the, um, deep South states.

00:09:35.680 And then there was a second wave of, of, uh, four upper South states.

00:09:42.640 In the first wave, uh, the, the main issue over, over, um, or the main reason for the session was slavery or concerns about, about, uh, slavery as, as, as far as, uh, further attempts from the North, like the, like the John Brown raid to, to incite

00:10:11.320 Slaver Bolton South and, um, also that they, that, uh, the, uh, uh, the secessionists feared that, that, uh, that the Republicans would use, um, illegal means, uh, to, um, try to abolish slavery.

00:10:29.820 Um, that was the main reason for the deep South secession, but there were also other reasons.

00:10:38.940 And if, in fact, if you read, um, three of the seven secession statements by those, um, seven deep South states, three of them mentioned economic complaints.

00:10:54.040 Right.

00:10:54.640 Taxes.

00:10:55.180 They were getting taxed to death.

00:10:57.140 The federal tariff and, and how, how, um, um, federal money was, was being, being allocated at the time.

00:11:04.860 Um, and that, and that was also a, um, major issue.

00:11:09.720 In fact, when, when, um, Robert Toomes gave his famous speech to the, uh, Georgia legislature to try to persuade them to, uh, the feed.

00:11:22.260 If you go and read that speech, he spent about half his time on economic complaints about the tariff, about, about how, um, federal money was distributed, about, about, um, certain laws that, um, favored northern industry, northern businesses over the South, over Southern interests.

00:11:49.200 And so, um, okay, so then there's that phase of, uh, the session.

00:11:55.680 Now then there was a second phase, um, a few weeks later involving the, the, um, four upper South states.

00:12:05.700 Now, it's interesting that, that, um, those four states had already voted on the session, um, and they had rejected it by fairly wide margins.

00:12:21.140 Um, and that, that's where things, things stood.

00:12:24.600 But then came the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the incident at Fort Sumter, and after it became obvious that, um, Lincoln was trying to use force, that's when those, those, um, four upper South states seceded.

00:12:42.600 So, you know, if, if you want to do a count of it, that means that, that, um, four of the 11 Confederate states rejected slavery as a reason to leave the Union.

00:12:56.180 Um, so that's interesting.

00:12:58.500 Oh, yeah.

00:12:58.920 It's also important to note, too, that the Republican Party in Lincoln's day, it, it was a new party, and they were no friend of the South, correct?

00:13:05.460 That's true, yes, they were very, uh, hostile toward the South.

00:13:10.580 They, um, viewed the South as almost un-American, anti-Democratic.

00:13:18.040 I mean, the, uh, Republican press, uh, was just horrible, uh, as far as how they betrayed the South in their articles.

00:13:27.680 I mean, they had all these, um, stories about the South.

00:13:31.280 I mean, it sounded like, almost like, like, you know, a giant prison or something, if, if you were to believe these articles.

00:13:38.360 And they're just all, all sorts of tales about, about the slave power conspiracy and, and how they were, they were trying to extend slavery all over the country, which, of course, was just false.

00:13:51.580 I mean, it was just, just, just, um, absolutely false.

00:13:54.920 The Southern, I mean, even, even, uh, most ardent, fire-eating, um, slavery supporter had, had, had no intention of ever trying to force a, um, Northern state to become a slave state.

00:14:14.060 I mean, I was just, it was contrary to their, their, their, their understanding of, um, states' rights.

00:14:20.840 So, so.

00:14:22.500 Didn't the South have the right to secede?

00:14:24.720 It was constitutional, correct?

00:14:27.260 Yes, yes, yes, I think it was.

00:14:29.240 I think, I think that, that, look at the evidence.

00:14:31.900 Um, you know, if you, if you go back to the debate at the, uh, of the Constitution and, um, when it was ratified and everything, I, I think it's very clear that those who, that, uh, the, the state, when they ratified the Constitution,

00:14:49.340 they certainly thought that it was voluntary and that if they didn't, you know, that if things went badly and, uh, and that they didn't think that they were getting a good deal or anything like that, that they could leave.

00:15:03.460 And they, and, uh, and in fact, uh, you know, there's just, there's, there's a ton of evidence on this point about, uh, about just how, how almost all the founders thought that, that, uh, that, uh, this was an experiment, uh, that, uh, that it was voluntary.

00:15:21.460 And in fact, if you, um, read the Constitution, there wasn't anything in there about the, um, federal union being permanent or perpetual.

00:15:35.060 There isn't anything in there that, that, that, that, that a state cannot revoke its ratification.

00:15:41.800 I mean, zero, nothing.

00:15:43.900 Um, and that's interesting in that, in that the, uh, Constitution under, under, um, the Articles of Confederation, that, did say that, uh, that, that union was perpetual.

00:15:59.220 Yet, it, it broke up after a few years, voluntarily, also.

00:16:04.500 Now, there were also many Northerners and newspaper outlets who believed the South had a right to secede, correct?

00:16:10.780 That's true.

00:16:11.620 There, there were, in fact, if there's a, there's a book called, um, I think it's called Northern Editorials on Secession.

00:16:19.020 Uh, but yeah, there are, there were, there were a lot of, uh, Northern newspapers that, that opined at the time that the South ought to be allowed to leave in peace and, and that it had the right to leave in peace.

00:16:33.840 And, and, and, and, and he, he invoked, uh, um, the Declaration of Independence in his argument.

00:16:42.960 Well, when you think about it, they were prophetic.

00:16:45.100 They didn't like the shenanigans of the federal government, and they saw what a big power it was becoming, and they're, they said, we don't want to be part of this.

00:16:52.880 And then the Norther said, oh, yes, you will.

00:16:56.060 Yeah.

00:16:56.420 So who actually started the war?

00:16:59.060 What are those events?

00:16:59.820 We always get the Fort Sumter story.

00:17:01.680 You know, I've done the tour in Charleston, and you would, you would probably be mortified after researching this, what they're telling the tourists, thousands of them that come every year.

00:17:08.800 Well, you know, okay, if you, if you go back a few weeks, um, Lincoln sent his, his longtime friend, Ward Layman, down to, uh, down to Charleston to go and, uh, see the governor.

00:17:29.200 And, and, and he told him that, that he was there to arrange for the evacuation of the fort.

00:17:35.580 And so for weeks, um, the Confederacy understood that they were going to leave the fort.

00:17:42.820 Um, William Seward at about the same time was saying the same thing to the, uh, delegation there in DC that, that, uh, Jefferson Davis had sent to, uh,

00:17:57.420 try to try to establish peaceful relations with the federal government.

00:18:04.080 Um, Seward was telling them over and over that, you know, that, yes, we will evacuate the fort.

00:18:10.120 Well, and, and I think that there is evidence that, that at some point, um, Lincoln was leaning toward evacuating the fort.

00:18:22.160 I think, I think that there was a lot of pressure on him from various sides.

00:18:26.300 There were a lot of, uh, northerners who just said, look, just let them go.

00:18:32.240 If they want to leave, great, good ridden.

00:18:36.020 Um, a lot of his cabinet members said, you know, look, you know, if you try to reinforce the fort, it's going to mean war.

00:18:44.520 And, and they didn't want that.

00:18:47.020 Um, at least at that point, anyway.

00:18:50.240 Um, well, all right.

00:18:52.440 So the, so the South, uh,

00:18:56.300 had been led to think that, that, um, Lincoln was, uh,

00:19:02.300 going to evacuate the fort.

00:19:05.040 Well, then, um, then they, they learned from various sources that in point of fact,

00:19:13.240 contrary to what they had been told,

00:19:15.820 Lincoln was, um, Lincoln was, um, sending a heavily armed naval convoy down to Fort Sumter, uh, to, um, reinforce the fort.

00:19:27.100 Now, um, this, um, convoy included landing barges.

00:19:32.360 It had, it had, it had a ton of ammo on it, it had several hundred troops.

00:19:36.840 Um, so at that point they understood, okay, you know, they're not going to, to allow us to leave in peace.

00:19:47.220 Um, and, uh, so at that point they, they thought that they had been misled, which they had.

00:19:55.000 And so, um, they decided to, to, to attack the fort.

00:19:59.360 Now, I might add that, um, not a single federal soldier was killed in that attack.

00:20:05.760 In fact, the Confederates gave them notice of the attack until they, um, knew it was coming.

00:20:12.580 And I think that that helped them in, in, in avoiding casualties there.

00:20:17.040 And after the attack, they, you know, they, uh, um, let the garrison there leave in peace with, uh, um, military honors even.

00:20:27.120 And, you know, they, uh, gave them a friendly sendoff.

00:20:31.060 So anyway, so after, after, uh, after that attack, Lincoln then used the attack as, as his excuse, his pretext to, um, start to use force.

00:20:41.760 So then he, um, began the blockade.

00:20:44.500 And then, uh, oh, um, a few months after that came the invasion.

00:20:51.820 Now, what were the Union soldiers told who joined the war against the South?

00:20:55.080 Did they think this was about slavery?

00:20:57.480 Oh, no.

00:20:58.000 Oh, no.

00:20:58.320 In fact, in fact, uh, James McPherson wrote a book about this, about, about why, why the, uh, soldiers felt they were going to war and, um, what they were fighting for.

00:21:12.180 Um, I don't, I can't remember the name of the book exactly, but it's something like, uh, cause and country or something like that.

00:21:19.040 Anyway, it's in my articles, but, um, um, yeah, the vast majority didn't think that, that, um, they were fighting for emancipation or even over slavery.

00:21:33.040 So what were they told?

00:21:35.180 What they were told?

00:21:36.400 Well, they were told that it was to, um, preserve the Union.

00:21:43.080 That it was going to be a short war, probably 90 days or so, uh, that it'd be over like that.

00:21:49.460 You know, they'd walk in the park, um, and that, and that it would, um, restore the Union and that would be that.

00:21:59.280 Now, there were also blacks and Indians fighting on the Confederate side of the war, right?

00:22:03.880 Uh, yes.

00:22:05.300 And also, also, also, um, about 5,000 Hispanics, uh, served in the Confederate Army.

00:22:12.180 Uh, but yes, I think, I think the evidence indicates that there were about 3,000 to 6,000 blacks in the Confederate Army serving as combat soldiers, or at least at times serving in that capacity.

00:22:23.360 Uh, and then there, there, now, there, there isn't any dispute about the fact that, that, that there were, that there were, that, that there were a fair amount of Indians, um, fighting for the Confederacy.

00:22:36.300 I mean, the, uh, Confederacy made the, uh, Cherokee is a very, very, very appealing offer, uh, and, uh, and a lot of them fought for the Confederacy.

00:22:47.080 There was a general named, uh, Dan Wattee, um, who, uh, he was a general in the Confederate Army that was also Cherokee, uh, and he, uh, uh, he was over a, um, gate of Cherokee Indians who were in the Confederate Army.

00:23:04.980 And, uh, and, in fact, even, even toward the, toward the end of the war, in fact, uh, as, as Lee surrendered, they were doing pretty well, and, and, and, and, in fact, were, uh, starting to carry the day in their area anyway.

00:23:20.760 Let's talk about the truth surrounding Southern slavery, because people have this image that all Southerners just owned hordes of slaves and whipped and raped them daily.

00:23:28.960 And, by the way, there were lots of white slaves that existed during this era, too, but 69 to 75 percent of Southern families did not own slaves, and it was a dying institution.

00:23:38.960 So, tell us more about this.

00:23:40.680 Well, that's essentially it.

00:23:42.020 Uh, according to the 1860 census, only, uh, two-thirds of, uh, Southern families had slaves, and only about, oh, maybe 8 or 10 percent of Southern citizens held titles for slaves.

00:23:59.880 And, uh, so, you know, majority of Southerners weren't slaveholders.

00:24:05.560 In fact, if you, uh, you look at the Confederate Army, the, uh, vast majority of the soldiers weren't slaveholders.

00:24:12.720 If you, uh, look at the officers, even, the majority of them were not slaveholders, either.

00:24:19.060 You asked about the conditions of slavery and everything.

00:24:21.500 I mean, it's a touchy subject in that, you know, you, you don't want to seem to, to endorse slavery.

00:24:27.720 Well, of course, of course not.

00:24:28.960 And we don't, you know, I mean.

00:24:31.060 But, uh, but on the other hand, I'm, I mean, I think of it like this.

00:24:36.320 If my, if my daughter were, were, were abducted, let's say, and her, her abductors, um, treated her humanely, um, and then I got her back.

00:24:50.360 Now, I would never, ever, ever excuse their act of abducting her, never, under, under any circumstances.

00:24:58.500 But I would admit, well, okay, well, they had her, they treated her humanely.

00:25:02.780 And so, uh, I think that that's the point that, that ought to be made about Southern slavery is that, you know, yes, it was, it was, um, morally wrong.

00:25:13.480 But the, you know, a, a, a, I think that most, um, slaveholders, uh, treated their slaves humanely.

00:25:24.580 Yeah, and they let them get married, they had lots of children.

00:25:28.440 I mean, when you look at what the Arabs did, they just castrated their slaves. 1.00

00:25:32.480 Yeah.

00:25:33.220 Well, and, you know, there, there have been some studies on the fact that, um, in, in point of fact, your, your average slave in terms of his workday, uh, the, the, uh, things that he was, that, that he got for his labor, his, um, living conditions,

00:25:52.240 and that the average slave in those areas, uh, are, are in those, those regards was better off than, than a lot of Northern factory workers.

00:26:02.220 I mean, if you go into the, uh, you know, you read about, um, some of the conditions of, of, uh, Northern industrial workers, and it was just, it was horrible.

00:26:12.340 I mean, it was a form of slavery.

00:26:14.880 I mean, in theory, they were, yes, you know, they could quit and leave, but that was very hard to do in that.

00:26:20.860 Okay.

00:26:21.260 Where are you going to go?

00:26:22.760 Um, and it was horrible conditions.

00:26:24.920 And, uh, and so it's just an interesting thing to, uh, point out.

00:26:29.460 Yeah.

00:26:30.220 There's another quote I came across.

00:26:33.640 Lincoln also spoke of white slavery in speeches, all of which Lawrence Tenzer has fully documented, said,

00:26:40.280 An 1856 Republican Party handbill clearly states in capital letters,

00:26:44.380 Slavery is right, natural, and necessary, and does not depend upon difference of complexion.

00:26:50.100 The laws of the slave states justify the holding of white men in bondage. 0.87

00:26:54.980 So this was something that was going on with all people.

00:26:58.080 Hmm, I'd have to see that one.

00:27:01.260 That doesn't sound like anything that, um, Lincoln would say.

00:27:05.920 You'll have to look into, yeah, Lawrence, Lawrence Tenzer.

00:27:08.500 He's documented a lot of these.

00:27:09.820 Yeah, he, I think, I think maybe, um, Lincoln was quoting somebody else on that point.

00:27:16.900 I, I can't believe that, uh, um, he would ever say that, but I don't know.

00:27:22.480 Yeah, apparently there were.

00:27:23.620 I'll have to look into that one more.

00:27:24.800 Yeah.

00:27:25.360 Yeah, look into indentured servants and bond servants and how horribly they were treated.

00:27:30.720 I mean, they died before their time was even up.

00:27:33.340 Absolutely.

00:27:33.960 That's true.

00:27:34.800 That's true.

00:27:35.940 And then also, weren't there, there were thousands of free blacks that owned slaves as well.

00:27:40.240 And of course, the first slave owner was a black man by the name of Anthony Johnson around 1650,

00:27:44.780 which is interesting information that's left out of the history books.

00:27:48.580 Yes, it's true that there were, there were, there were a number of, uh, free blacks in

00:27:52.740 the South who owned slaves.

00:27:54.280 That's true.

00:27:55.440 Um, in fact, the, the, the amount of, of free slaves in the, in the South was about the same

00:28:01.400 as it was in the North.

00:28:02.560 In fact, I think, you know, now there are, um, different numbers on this, but, uh, if nothing

00:28:09.780 else, it was very close in number.

00:28:12.280 Now let's talk about the, the North and racism.

00:28:14.560 What was going on up there while they were accusing the South?

00:28:18.020 No, that's, that's a really good question.

00:28:20.500 Um, uh, well, you know, I'll start by saying this, that there were some, um, Northern observers

00:28:29.440 and also foreign observers who, um, visited the South and who, and the North also, and

00:28:38.300 who, um, um, included that, um, race relations were actually better in the South than in the

00:28:45.640 North, even though, you know, in the South, most of the blacks were slaves in spite of 0.50

00:28:51.200 that, that, that in, that in terms of just how they treated each other as people.

00:28:56.960 Um, and the things that, that, um, blacks in the South, um, including slaves were able to 0.53

00:29:04.300 do as far as jobs and just, um, social interaction and everything, you know, that, that, that, uh,

00:29:11.300 race relations were, were, were a little better in the South, um, than they were in the North.

00:29:17.300 I mean, there, there are whole books available now about the plight of, um, Northern free blacks

00:29:25.280 and, and it, and it, and it was pretty sorry.

00:29:29.220 Now let's discuss the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:29:32.300 Tell us about this document.

00:29:34.260 Well, a lot to say there.

00:29:36.900 A few years ago, there was a, there was a black scholar named, um, Lerone Bennett, who,

00:29:43.660 um, wrote a book called Forced Him to Glory.

00:29:47.300 Abraham Lincoln's White Dream.

00:29:50.640 And, uh, he documents, I think pretty well that one, Lincoln issued it under, under tremendous

00:29:57.140 pressure from the radicals.

00:30:00.720 And two, that he tried to undo it almost as soon as he had issued it.

00:30:06.520 And, uh, it, uh, was a war measure.

00:30:10.860 It says that itself, that it was done as a war measure and, uh, that it,

00:30:17.300 uh, exempted all the slaves in the union states or in the areas of the South under federal

00:30:24.500 control.

00:30:25.760 Um, now that's interesting.

00:30:27.020 You know, if, if the war were being fought over slavery, you would think that the first 0.98

00:30:33.860 thing that he would have done was to free all the slaves in union states and in, and in 0.99

00:30:39.580 areas where, uh, federal forces were in control in the South, but he didn't do that.

00:30:46.900 So what happened?

00:30:48.580 Well, they, you know, the, the, um, those slaves who were, who were in the union states,

00:30:54.380 union slave states, they stayed in slavery and those slaves in the areas there in the 0.59

00:30:59.580 South where the, uh, federal forces were in control, most of them remain slaves as well.

00:31:07.140 So if we go back a little bit in the war, there's a place called Andersonville prison.

00:31:12.780 What happened there at this prison?

00:31:15.880 Yeah.

00:31:17.140 Andersonville.

00:31:17.980 Andersonville.

00:31:18.660 Well, um, after the, uh, the union, not the prisoner exchanges, Andersonville began

00:31:27.380 to get really crowded.

00:31:30.780 Now, and you have to understand that at this time, you know, most, most, um, Confederate

00:31:39.500 soldiers had a very, very lean, meager diet.

00:31:43.640 I mean, they, they, they went hungry for days at a time, the time, um, and so, you

00:31:49.360 know, the, uh, the Confederacy was having a hard enough time just trying to feed its 0.99

00:31:55.860 own soldiers, much less, um, thousands of union prisoners.

00:32:01.700 And so, um, uh, now, you know, I have to be honest.

00:32:06.180 I think, I think that there was some blame on both sides as far as why the, why the, the

00:32:13.060 exchanges, um, were not resumed, but, uh, but, you know, it, it, uh, was the union that,

00:32:22.400 um, stopped the exchanges.

00:32:24.000 Now, um.

00:32:25.680 You're talking about like food and medicine supplies?

00:32:28.600 Well, no, I mean, just, I mean, they, they had a system where they, they would exchange

00:32:33.220 POWs. 0.62

00:32:34.560 Ah, okay.

00:32:35.080 Um, by the thousands.

00:32:37.140 And then the, um, the union halted that.

00:32:40.700 Well, then, um, the Confederacy offered to have, uh, surgeons from each side go to the

00:32:52.560 other side camps, prisoner camps, and, uh, care for the sick and also bring supplies.

00:33:00.260 The Confederacy offered that and the union refused.

00:33:02.720 Then, um, the Confederacy offered to buy medicine from the north and then have union surgeons 0.91

00:33:11.060 bring the medicine and go with it into the, um, prisoner camps to make sure that it was,

00:33:19.120 uh, used for, for, um, union soldiers.

00:33:22.740 That was turned down as well.

00:33:24.120 So, I think that's all I'd say about that is just that, you know, that, that, that,

00:33:28.640 the, that the union had, had accepted those offers, um, it would have been a lot less suffering.

00:33:34.880 Yeah.

00:33:35.100 Thousands of soldiers died.

00:33:36.780 It's just, it's horrific how many, how many of our boys died in this war.

00:33:40.520 It's just insane.

00:33:42.260 Let's go to the reconstruction era because lawlessness just abounded on all sides.

00:33:48.620 So, what was going on down in the south during this era?

00:33:52.300 Yeah.

00:33:52.640 You know, uh, that part of the story really, really surprised me as I, um, found out about

00:34:00.880 it.

00:34:01.020 I had no idea, uh, that it, it was just so insanely, um, lawless, illegal, uh, clearly unconstitutional.

00:34:11.240 Um, and it, and it, and it, you know, really, um, sowed the seeds for, for, for even, even

00:34:19.360 more bitterness for just years to come.

00:34:23.100 Really, really, I think it, it, it, um, poisoned, uh, race relations for generations.

00:34:30.960 Uh, it just, it was just a real mess.

00:34:33.180 Um, and, and it also, it also just fundamentally violated everything that, um, Lincoln had said

00:34:41.460 about the war that, you know, if you'll, um, lay down your arm, you'll be back in the

00:34:48.960 union with all your rights, you know, everything will be as it was.

00:34:54.740 Um, now toward the very end, you know, uh, he had a caveat that, you know, you're probably

00:35:00.500 going to have to give up slavery though, but, but other than that, you know, you'll have

00:35:05.880 all your rights and everything will be fine.

00:35:07.660 Now at first, of course, um, Lincoln was adamant, you know, no, I have no intention of

00:35:14.340 trying to abolish slavery.

00:35:16.800 I don't want to bother with it.

00:35:18.440 In fact, he backed an amendment called the Corwin Amendment.

00:35:22.460 Um, uh, and, um, it, uh, called for Aaron.

00:35:27.440 Aaron, well, not, not the guarantee, but well, it, it, um, would have prohibited the federal

00:35:34.880 government from, from ever abolishing slavery ever.

00:35:39.920 And, uh, in fact, he mentioned that, that amendment in his first inaugural speech, and

00:35:45.900 he said it supported it.

00:35:47.220 And in, in fact, um, we know now that, um, behind the scenes, he was, uh, pushing for

00:35:55.380 it strongly, but anyway, but, but, uh, by, by, I think, um, late 1864, early 1865, I think

00:36:04.520 that, uh, um, he had decided that, that, um, uh, you know, that slavery had to go.

00:36:12.040 Yeah.

00:36:12.540 So on one hand too, you had millions of freed slaves, they're roaming around, they're hungry,

00:36:18.260 they have no education, no home, you know, there's some terrorizing of other innocent

00:36:24.040 farms, there's gangs.

00:36:26.400 And then you have, which is interesting, I didn't know this, that the KKK was basically

00:36:30.540 the terrorist branch of the Democratic Party, and that they formed in response to their loss

00:36:35.400 of voting rights and constitutional rights in that Reconstruction era.

00:36:39.420 And many of those men left the Klan when their rights were restored.

00:36:42.060 I didn't know that.

00:36:42.800 And their targets were both black and white.

00:36:45.680 1,300 whites also died in that period who supported the radical Republicans in that time.

00:36:51.740 Yeah.

00:36:52.640 Like I said, it was a real mess.

00:36:54.620 It was just a, it was just an atrocious mess.

00:36:57.920 And, uh, you know, I think it's just, it's, it's hard to fathom exactly how lawless and out

00:37:08.920 of control things were under, under the radical, um, rule down there.

00:37:14.600 I mean, even, even a guy like Scherz, you know, who was a, he was just a, you know, a very

00:37:20.480 ardent radical.

00:37:22.320 When he visited the South and saw what was going on, he, uh, came back and said, you know

00:37:30.400 what, this is too much.

00:37:31.820 You know, um, we have gone too far.

00:37:37.480 It's an interesting shift that happens too, because a lot of times people like to say,

00:37:42.040 oh, the Republicans are the racist party, but then the Democrats are the ones who started 0.51

00:37:46.700 Jim Crow laws and founded KKK. 0.96

00:37:48.800 But as I read about KKK more, I mean, is it justified? 0.99

00:37:52.620 Were they forming this in response to the militias and the arsonists and everything else that was

00:37:56.980 going on in that time?

00:37:57.900 Um, it's another one of those areas that just gets painted in a bad light and people

00:38:02.420 don't examine the whole, the whole story of what was going on in the time.

00:38:07.220 Well, I would say that, I would say that there, that I think that there were cases where, yes,

00:38:13.480 where they formed, uh, in self-defense, not always, but, but in, in, um, many cases.

00:38:23.500 Yeah.

00:38:23.940 And then I heard too, the Southerners were also forced to pay these excessive taxes to

00:38:27.960 pay for the war after the fact, but only what, 6% of the Southerners had slaves.

00:38:32.840 So I would be pretty mad too.

00:38:34.660 Oh yeah.

00:38:35.120 Oh yeah.

00:38:35.540 And well, and, and there were, there were, um, taxes imposed just on the South that, um,

00:38:41.320 continued for years.

00:38:42.280 In fact, there was attacks on the railroads in the South that, um, continued until like

00:38:50.640 the 1940s or something like that, just on the Southern Railroad.

00:38:55.060 Mm-hmm.

00:38:55.860 Yeah.

00:38:57.040 And something changes at some point too, because when we're talking about the Republican Party,

00:39:01.140 I don't know, maybe we have to clarify that there are differences between the, there were

00:39:04.340 radicals then, and then maybe more conservative Republicans.

00:39:07.380 But Frederick Douglass, he said, I recognize the Republican Party is a sheet anchor of the

00:39:12.560 colored man's political hopes and the arc of his safety.

00:39:16.880 So what do you think about that?

00:39:19.220 Well, at the time I could understand why he'd say that.

00:39:23.180 Yeah.

00:39:24.380 So any thoughts on who was behind the Lincoln assassination?

00:39:27.920 Oh boy.

00:39:29.380 Oh boy.

00:39:31.000 Because I, you know, if you, when you read about him, he's not this angelic president that

00:39:36.520 everyone thinks that he is.

00:39:38.420 Well, you know, um, I, I think that that's the subject that, that, uh, I would really like

00:39:48.500 to see some, some objective historians, um, dig into it because, um, well, there was a German

00:40:01.160 author.

00:40:01.660 I can't recall his name off the top of my head right now, but he, uh, he wrote a book about

00:40:06.500 that subject and, um, um, he believed that, uh, some of the radicals were behind Lincoln's

00:40:17.580 assassination.

00:40:20.100 Uh, I think that is plausible.

00:40:21.520 Um, now, in fact, in fact, Andrew, Andrew Johnson thought that as well.

00:40:28.480 And he said so publicly even, um, that, you know, well, anyway, but, uh, yeah, that, that's

00:40:36.880 an interesting, interesting, uh, area, interesting area.

00:40:41.120 Now, I know that, um, uh, professor Clyde Wilson has expressed the view that, uh, Booth

00:40:51.180 um, may have, um, been a double agent.

00:40:56.040 You know, that's interesting.

00:40:57.920 Yeah.

00:40:58.600 There's a conspiracy there, folks.

00:41:01.300 Possibly, yeah.

00:41:02.400 I mean, it does seem very odd.

00:41:04.920 Now, you know, any, any, uh, any truly Southern conspiracy, uh, I would have thought would have

00:41:13.640 included Stanton, whom, whom the Southerners had every, you know, they had a lot of good,

00:41:19.480 good reasons to really hate that guy. 0.80

00:41:22.100 I mean, he was a vicious, just a horrible, despotic secretary of war. 0.88

00:41:26.240 I mean, very anti-democratic, so small d, uh, very, very, you know, he, he was just lawless 0.91

00:41:33.380 and, um, ruthless and vicious.

00:41:35.280 And I would think that any, any genuine Southern plot to kill union leaders would have included

00:41:43.460 Stanton, very definitely.

00:41:45.900 And, and, and, and I don't think that they would include Seward.

00:41:49.000 And I mean, even though he, uh, uh, was a bit of a tyrant during the war, it was very

00:41:56.640 well known that, that, you know, he was in fact a moderate.

00:42:01.160 And I, I just don't, I can't imagine what, you know, who would say, okay, let's leave, um,

00:42:07.880 Stanton alone.

00:42:08.600 Let's get, get Seward along with Lincoln.

00:42:11.180 And that makes no sense to me.

00:42:13.440 Mm-hmm.

00:42:14.600 Yeah.

00:42:15.120 I mean, I didn't know until I read your articles that the Republican party was the, the new,

00:42:21.400 the new guys in town and they weren't exactly nice.

00:42:25.200 So it's interesting how the parties constantly shift because it's the Republican today is different

00:42:29.960 than then.

00:42:30.520 And then the founding fathers were maybe more classical liberal that I don't know, maybe

00:42:34.180 would be closer to libertarian today.

00:42:35.940 What do you think?

00:42:36.440 Well, the founding fathers, you, you, um, you had your federalists, okay.

00:42:44.300 Um, Washington, Adams, Hamilton.

00:42:49.080 Um, then you had your, um, Republicans, oddly enough.

00:42:54.380 Um, those were, um, Jefferson, Mason, Patrick Henry, those guys, um, Madison at the time

00:43:04.220 was a federalist, although he, he, uh, he switched over fairly early.

00:43:08.840 So what do you think of people today saying, because our founding fathers had slaves, we

00:43:13.260 shouldn't honor the constitution because they're racists.

00:43:16.860 And I, well, I just want to add in here, everyone has had slaves, you know, it's not just these

00:43:22.580 guys.

00:43:22.880 And it was actually us who set the precedent to abolish it in the end, Europeans. 0.99

00:43:27.440 So I think that they get a bad rap for that.

00:43:29.460 But what would you say?

00:43:30.360 Well, I would ask them, uh, do you think that, um, they know that all of our textbooks should,

00:43:39.200 should, should glorify, um, ancient Greece and, uh, you know, and talk about, uh, ancient

00:43:47.420 Greece as, as the, uh, seat of democracy and everything, which it was.

00:43:52.220 But on the other hand, it was also a, um, slaveholding nation on a large scale. 0.66

00:43:59.100 Um, same with ancient Rome, you know, ancient, ancient Rome, um, gave us a lot of laws that,

00:44:06.120 you know, we, we, uh, that everybody likes, but yet, yet, yet it was a slaveholding society.

00:44:12.240 I mean, it was, it was, I mean, it was just, uh, it was an institution that had, um, been

00:44:18.280 around for thousands of years, uh, and all, you know, a lot of people, it was just all

00:44:25.560 they knew.

00:44:26.200 They grew up with it.

00:44:29.280 Um, and it just, you know, it was just there and they, you know, uh, I mean, it's just,

00:44:36.200 you know, I tell you, it's interesting.

00:44:37.420 I have read some, uh, some, um, writings of, uh, uh, former Confederates who were, uh, they

00:44:47.300 were, they were, um, writing to like, like their son or, or nieces or whatever.

00:44:54.940 And, and they said, you know, you just, you cannot imagine, you just can't fathom how we

00:45:04.040 felt about slavery and slaves.

00:45:07.020 And, uh, uh, you now looking back, not having been alive or not having, um, been an adult

00:45:16.260 at that time, you, you just can't imagine, uh, how we felt about slavery and slaves and

00:45:25.480 how, how the country felt about it.

00:45:27.860 And it's just, it's really, you know, it's, it's very, very hard for, for, for us, you

00:45:33.980 know, in the, in the 21st century to, um, have any sympathy for, um, slaveholders.

00:45:41.500 I mean, you think, well, it was wrong and they should have sold them or they should have

00:45:45.220 just, um, freed them, not sold them, but, but, uh, um, um, either freed them or allow them

00:45:57.200 to buy their freedom, you know, for, or a certain amount of labor over, over, you know, a few

00:46:02.640 years or something that just, it's, it's, it's just very hard to, uh, to look back and,

00:46:08.080 um, be sympathetic.

00:46:09.880 And I, and I think that that's, that, that, that, that's an obstacle, you know, that, that,

00:46:14.820 um, that is, you know, it's hard, hard, hard to overcome.

00:46:19.840 Um, and it, you know, it, it, uh, and you, you just, you have to be very careful how you

00:46:27.520 express yourself on it and, and how you try to explain it.

00:46:33.980 Uh, because if you're not, and you know, you'll, you'll, uh, you'll get accused of, of, uh.

00:46:42.460 Oh, sure.

00:46:43.000 Yeah.

00:46:43.520 The political, politically correct police will come hunt you down.

00:46:46.740 Well, this is, this is the thing, I think, that intentionally there are things left out

00:46:51.600 of the history books to create tension.

00:46:54.140 I mean, why isn't anything in there about white slavery or the fact that there were whites

00:46:58.140 that, uh, didn't have slaves, for instance?

00:47:00.360 It's like the, the elite want to create this tension between everybody.

00:47:04.320 And why not just have an open dialogue and discuss it?

00:47:06.560 Of course, we all know slavery was wrong, okay?

00:47:08.860 That's, that's not the point here.

00:47:10.320 But it's about really just discussing it and thinking of it in context in that time, not

00:47:14.840 having a modern brain thinking about it, if you know what I mean.

00:47:17.780 Well, I can tell you, I mean, just, um, from, um, discussions I've had online, the split

00:47:26.140 second that you just try to show that the conditions of slavery were almost always are

00:47:34.680 usually humane instantly.

00:47:36.960 You are, you are accused of, uh, well that, and also, uh, um, excusing slavery, supporting

00:47:46.380 slavery, you know, and, uh, it's just, you know, one of those things you just have, you

00:47:52.760 know, it's just, it's, it's, it's a, it's a very hard subject to discuss rationally and

00:48:01.560 calmly.

00:48:02.880 Yes.

00:48:03.300 It's unfortunate.

00:48:04.400 For some people.

00:48:05.120 Yeah.

00:48:05.740 Yeah.

00:48:05.940 And the thing is, in that time, there were things that were socially acceptable that

00:48:08.820 we look back at and say, oh my God, you know, and I hope one day, you know, a hundred years

00:48:12.960 from now, people look back and see all this political correct garbage and think, oh my

00:48:16.660 God, they were so, so gone. 0.93

00:48:18.980 You know, what were they thinking?

00:48:19.960 Well, you know, um, you know, I have, uh, I have asked a lot of these, uh, of, uh, liberal

00:48:28.800 folks whom I've encountered in, uh, um, civil war discussions online.

00:48:35.880 And I said, well, you know, I, I hear you on slavery.

00:48:40.780 Um, and I'm just kind of, I mean, I say, well, out of curiosity, uh, are you as outraged

00:48:48.000 about, um, legalized abortion?

00:48:50.600 And of course, well, then it's, oh, well that's, that's totally different.

00:48:54.320 Really?

00:48:54.680 Why?

00:48:55.720 Uh, you know.

00:48:57.340 Yeah.

00:48:57.740 It's double standards all the time.

00:48:59.260 Very much.

00:48:59.860 Very much.

00:49:00.260 They just keep coming.

00:49:01.660 Very much so.

00:49:02.340 And if you look at history and say, ah, this is wrong, you know, they just polarize the

00:49:06.000 issue right away and slander you and then they don't even talk about it.

00:49:09.280 And they just shut down the debate that way, which is, it's getting old, you know, you just

00:49:12.240 have to get, you have to get used to taking those hits and just ignore it.

00:49:15.920 Exactly.

00:49:16.460 You do.

00:49:17.560 You do.

00:49:18.060 Cause it's, uh, it's, uh, um, talking about the civil war online is a, um, full contact sport.

00:49:25.260 Most definitely.

00:49:26.820 Yeah.

00:49:27.220 I think, I mean, I wish the South would secede again.

00:49:31.420 That would be great.

00:49:32.340 But now the feds, I mean, they're such gangsters now.

00:49:34.880 They just, they're never going to let that happen.

00:49:36.660 I know there are states that have even tried in the last five years to secede and they just

00:49:40.700 don't let it happen.

00:49:42.160 Yeah.

00:49:43.560 You know, um, getting back to, uh, to the conditions of slavery and everything, you know, uh, I would

00:49:51.800 argue that, that, uh, a lot more slaves died of, um, mistreatment on, on Northern slave

00:50:00.260 ships, um, than ever died of, of the same, you know, of, um, mistreatment on, um, Southern

00:50:08.180 plantations.

00:50:08.820 I mean, I mean, if you look at the, uh, at the numbers, uh, the, um, mortality numbers,

00:50:14.320 and it was a huge amount, I mean, like, uh, 10, 20, 30, 40% of slaves on most slave ships,

00:50:23.820 um, would die on the journey.

00:50:26.320 Um, and, and, and, I mean, the conditions were just horrendous and, and they were, they

00:50:31.520 were, um, locked below deck.

00:50:35.180 Uh, they were at almost nothing.

00:50:38.480 They, they were, they were like, uh, just packed like sardines and most, most, um, slave ships

00:50:46.780 operated out of Northern ports.

00:50:48.880 In fact, the two, the two, um, largest slave ports were in the North.

00:50:55.200 Uh, and, you know, the, um, New England made just huge fortunes off the slave trade.

00:51:01.600 And, and it's interesting now that that fact is, is, is, as, as, as, has started to come

00:51:08.340 out even in, um, the Northern newspapers where they've, you know, um, some journalists have,

00:51:14.360 um, done some research and, uh, found out about, about just a huge amount of money that,

00:51:20.680 that, uh, some of the, uh, New England states made off the slave trade and, and how that,

00:51:27.980 um, deals other industries.

00:51:29.980 I think it's convenient that they're just all of a sudden realizing this information

00:51:34.460 too, because it fits perfectly with their anti-white agenda they've got going on right 0.50

00:51:38.880 now.

00:51:39.340 So, you know.

00:51:40.080 That could be part of it, yeah.

00:51:41.100 More to blame Whitey about, you know. 1.00

00:51:43.600 So, yeah, I mean, the Jews have a huge involvement in the slave trade, but when do you ever hear

00:51:48.400 about that?

00:51:48.980 They're making all these movies on the stop and they never show, hey, you, you guys were

00:51:52.660 there too, you know.

00:51:54.260 We're also involved in it.

00:51:55.860 That, I mean, it was, you know, it was, uh, it was a very, um, lucrative, lucrative enterprise.

00:52:03.460 And, uh, you know, a lot of people had their hands in it.

00:52:08.260 A couple more questions for you.

00:52:09.760 Yeah.

00:52:09.960 What do you know about the repatriation for freed slaves?

00:52:13.080 I know a lot of them didn't want to be moved.

00:52:15.780 They wanted to actually stay in the States.

00:52:17.300 But what do you know about this?

00:52:18.280 Well, I know, I mean, there are, there are accounts in the, um, Union Army documents

00:52:26.140 about the fact that the, uh, the Union Army would go and, in, in certain areas, they would

00:52:32.960 go and, and just abduct hundreds of slaves at a time, um, against their will, sometimes

00:52:40.660 even, um, kicking and screaming, literally, uh, and they would force them to, to, uh, um,

00:52:49.040 serve Union soldiers.

00:52:49.900 And even, even, uh, even in a, um, historian like James McPherson acknowledges that, uh, that

00:52:59.200 more often than not, Union soldiers treated the slaves rather badly.

00:53:03.800 Well, any final thoughts on this subject?

00:53:08.120 Anything that we, we've missed that we need to add in here?

00:53:12.460 Well, just, just that, um, you know, I, I just think that, uh, uh, I, I think that we

00:53:20.140 are lucky to live in a day where there's, when there's a lot more information now out there

00:53:28.960 available, uh, to, um, learn about the Civil War, to, to, um, find out the whole story.

00:53:36.140 Thanks to, uh, a lot of scholars.

00:53:39.160 I know, you know, like there, there are some, just in the last, I'd say eight, eight to 10

00:53:44.800 years, there, there have, um, been some really good books about the Civil War that, that, um,

00:53:52.680 give the Southern side, um, very, very well in a, in a, um, scholarly fashion, credible fashion.

00:54:01.680 Um, one of the best that I have seen, uh, in recent years is, uh, um, Walter Sisko's book,

00:54:11.660 War Crimes Against Southern Civilians.

00:54:13.220 That's a really good book.

00:54:14.460 Very, very well researched.

00:54:17.280 Also, uh, Tom DiLorenzo's stuff is very good.

00:54:22.680 Um, not perfect, but it's very, very good.

00:54:25.520 It's very, you know, and, and it's worth reading.

00:54:27.800 And, uh, his, uh, uh, two, um, books on Lincoln have, have been very helpful, very, very insightful.

00:54:38.400 And see, he's an economist.

00:54:39.680 And so he's, you know, he's examined a lot of the tariff issue stuff.

00:54:43.280 And he, and he has, he has, uh, done some very good research on this issue.

00:54:49.200 And, and it's just, you know, it's just very, uh, very helpful information.

00:54:55.060 And it's out there now.

00:54:56.740 It's available.

00:54:58.820 You can find it online.

00:55:00.120 And, and I just like to see more, uh, um, documentaries done, you know, because that, um, we're, we're at an age

00:55:08.040 where some people won't read much, but, but they'll watch a documentary.

00:55:13.580 Oh yeah.

00:55:14.680 Yeah.

00:55:15.840 Yeah.

00:55:16.240 I mean, I'd like to see, see this come to light because there's some things that need to heal here.

00:55:21.240 There's a lot of, um, misguided racial tension and hate and the South is being demonized.

00:55:28.360 And I can't help, but to see how it's fitting this current political agenda.

00:55:31.500 So one order to, one way to fight back is to get out the truth.

00:55:35.880 So if there's Southerners out there, start talking about it, start blogs, make videos, you know,

00:55:40.600 it's the only way that this is going to get better.

00:55:42.280 Well, I appreciate your time today.

00:55:45.980 Well, thank you very much.

00:55:47.120 And if you could please give us out your website and any books that you want to let us know about.

00:55:52.740 Um, my website.

00:55:54.680 Okay.

00:55:56.100 Uh, if you Google civil war and, um, Michael T. Griffith, uh, my title be among the first few hits.

00:56:08.600 My, my, um, my overall site is called the real issues homepage.

00:56:14.440 And then my civil war site is, is, is, um, one of the subsides of that main site.

00:56:22.760 Um, and, um, yeah, it's there and, and, uh, it, it gets a lot of traffic.

00:56:29.740 I, you know, I, I, uh, uh, uh, track the traffic of all my sites and, and, uh, it, it, um, it's a surprising amount of traffic.

00:56:39.560 I think it's because people know on some subconscious level that they're not getting the real story in school.

00:56:45.180 So, well, good work.

00:56:46.660 And I appreciate you for being here.

00:56:47.980 Thank you.

00:56:48.720 All right.

00:56:49.040 Thank you.

00:56:49.460 As it happens, another Northern invasion is taking place.

00:56:53.540 The South attracts the most domestic migrants of any U.S. region.

00:56:57.660 Last year, it boasted six of the top eight states in terms of net domestic migration.

00:57:02.800 Why?

00:57:03.720 Because economic growth in the South has outpaced the rest of the country.

00:57:07.960 The South is more business friendly, less unionized, has lower taxes, and less stringent regulations.

00:57:15.120 That's what happens when less blood-sucking liberals are around. 1.00

00:57:17.940 The truth is that Southern heritage has many beautiful traditions to preserve.

00:57:22.780 So before you call a Southerner a redneck, think again.

00:57:26.220 By the way, the term redneck was often used to speak of white slaves and indentured servants,

00:57:31.400 especially Scots-Irish.

00:57:33.400 They were called rednecks, red legs, red shanks, and similar red statements due to how badly blistered 0.72

00:57:39.620 a pale-skinned Caucasian slave would be after working like a dog in the sun all day, every day. 0.98

00:57:45.320 I will do a program about white slavery in America. 0.90

00:57:49.000 It's wicked that the official history books have turned their cheek to the brutality of 0.61

00:57:53.600 white slavery, or that blacks try and claim it all as their own. 0.92

00:57:58.000 The telling of history is largely an exercise in guilt transference, and it is clear there's

00:58:03.160 a political agenda and financial gain for milking white guilt.

00:58:06.780 Well, it's time to shine the light of truth on the past and send the cockroaches running.

00:58:11.040 Truth is not racist.

00:58:12.560 Facts are not hate, people.

00:58:14.940 One thing is becoming more clear.

00:58:16.860 Secession may be a reality in America's history yet. 0.88

00:58:20.560 Stay tuned for my next interview with Warren Farrell on the myth of male power and the imbalance

00:58:25.480 of the male-female relationship.

00:58:27.640 Don't miss it.

00:58:28.620 You can find me, Lana Lochteff, and also Radio 314 on Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Stitcher,

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00:58:42.460 Have a great week, and we'll talk soon.

00:58:44.160 Our flag is proudly floating on the land and on the main.

00:58:50.200 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

00:58:56.160 Beneath it oft we've conquered and we'll conquer oft again.

00:59:01.200 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

00:59:07.840 Our Dixie forever, she's never had a loss.

00:59:14.520 Down with the eagle and up with the cross.

00:59:19.260 We will rally around, the bonnie flag will rally once again.

00:59:25.260 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

00:59:34.080 Our gallant boys have marched to the rolling of the drums.

00:59:41.220 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

00:59:46.820 And the leaders in charge cry out, come, boys, come.

00:59:52.340 Shout, shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

00:59:58.920 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

01:00:00.060 Our Dixie forever, she's never had a loss.

01:00:05.120 Down with the eagle and up with the cross.

01:00:10.660 We will rally around, the bonnie flag will rally once again.

01:00:17.360 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

01:00:22.340 They have laid down their lives on the bloody battlefield.

01:00:32.400 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

01:00:36.980 Their motto is resistance to the tyrants never healed.

01:00:44.420 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

01:00:48.980 Our Dixie forever, she's never had a loss.

01:00:55.860 Down with the eagle and up with the cross.

01:01:01.180 We will rally around, the bonnie flag will rally once again.

01:01:08.040 Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.

01:01:12.980 E쉬 of freedom.

01:01:18.600 E comenz, and expected caution to the two lines of freedom.

01:01:20.860 Deprius one of those of you.

01:01:23.100 Dixie forever, she's ever been down with theMon settlor. 0.94

01:01:24.960 The titlelor for her first of you.

01:01:26.620 The last of you.

01:01:29.060 The battle cry of freedom.

01:01:33.660 Battle cry of freedom.

01:01:34.640 The battle cry of freedom.

01:01:36.800 Kolkony gave lives on the hill that everybody knew.

Radio 3Fourteen - June 16, 2014

The Northern War of Aggression _ Civil War Disinfo

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