Radio 3Fourteen - The Truth About South Africa_s Rainbow Nation

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. This is Lana, your host for the next hour. My guest is Claire joining

00:00:18.620 us from South Africa. We'll discuss what life is like for Afrikaners post-apartheid. You've

00:00:23.960 all heard the lies about apartheid and you're still hearing lies about post-apartheid. South

00:00:28.740 Africa is today hailed as a rainbow nation, evoking imagery of cheerful smiles and peaceful

00:00:33.980 people, but it's anything but. They claim this rainbow nation is diverse, incorporating

00:00:39.140 many people. Yeah, we've been hearing that ad nauseum in the north, too. Well, no, it's

00:00:43.960 just one color that matters in South Africa, and that color is black. It's funny, though,

00:00:48.900 because symbolically and scientifically speaking, white is the visible expression of all color

00:00:53.680 combined as light, and black is a complete absence of light and therefore color. Claire,

00:00:58.920 up next. Welcome, Claire. It's great to connect with you.

00:01:02.120 Yeah. Hi, Lana. Thanks so much for having me on. It's a great pleasure to be able to talk

00:01:05.940 with you. I'm a huge fan, as I said.

00:01:08.040 Great. Thank you. That'll be fun. Well, since you're a new voice, I think, tell us a little

00:01:11.940 bit about what you do in South Africa. And I realize you can't say too much considering

00:01:15.420 the current political climate down there because you could get in trouble, negatively speaking,

00:01:19.780 about the tyrants running your country. But what can you tell us about what you do down

00:01:23.340 there? Right. Okay. Well, I have a law background. I have a degree in law, and that was my initial

00:01:32.740 plan was to become an attorney, but it didn't really suit my personality. So I work at a small

00:01:40.000 firm doing geographical information systems. Obviously, I was born during the apartheid era,

00:01:51.680 and I was about 11 or 12 when the ANC came to power. So I've grown up in South Africa,

00:02:01.040 seen it from both sides. And yeah.

00:02:05.780 Yeah. The apartheid ended in 94, so it lasted for about 50 years. I was actually in South

00:02:12.360 Africa in the 90s, too. Do you remember anything from that era? Or did you hear things from

00:02:17.020 your parents and grandparents? Because we get so much disinfo.

00:02:20.120 Oh, yes, absolutely. I was very fortunate to go to a private school here, which was very

00:02:26.720 progressive. For its day, I was sort of in primary school in the 80s and early 90s.

00:02:32.460 And my school was one of the first schools to admit black. It was a girls' school, and it was

00:02:41.980 one of the first schools to admit black girls. So for me, it was, you know, I sort of grew up in

00:02:50.480 quite a liberal kind of environmental atmosphere. But I remember apartheid very clearly. And I remember 0.81

00:02:58.360 sort of being given quite a balanced view about it as I was growing up. I didn't see it as the worst

00:03:04.900 thing in the world. My dad was a supporter of the National Party. So yeah, I mean, I remember how

00:03:15.400 prosperous things were back then. The economy was strong, and the RAND was worth about 20 times more

00:03:23.940 back then than it is now. Now, were people, they were happier, it was safer? Even blacks did better, 0.69

00:03:31.080 right? Absolutely. The economy was much stronger. And yes, there was, the segregation back then was 0.70

00:03:37.740 obviously a lot more marked than it is now. I remember in our neighborhoods, there were really

00:03:44.960 no black or Indian people living in the neighborhood that I lived in. I had a black nanny and maid, and

00:03:54.120 all the white families did back then. Which is funny to me that they do that, you know? 0.95

00:03:59.140 It's just, why?

00:04:01.040 You know, but everybody did, and still do. I mean, it's something that hasn't really changed.

00:04:07.360 And it was just accepted by both races, I think, at the time. Everyone kind of, I think for the most

00:04:15.180 part, normal people just accepted the way things were. And, you know, it was a lot more peaceful back

00:04:22.820 then, from what I recall. Now, we get so much disinfo in the North, we hear that white people 0.98

00:04:28.820 were just mass murdering blacks, but none of that is true, right? No, it's not true at all. I mean, 0.81

00:04:35.100 yes, the apartheid government had ways to deal with dissidents. That's undeniable. People were

00:04:42.920 arrested, members of the ANC were arrested and thrown into prison. And, you know, I'm sure

00:04:50.180 they were dealt with harshly. But as for mass murdering, that simply didn't happen. You had

00:04:59.160 things like the Sharpeville shooting, which was in 1961, if I'm not mistaken, which caused a huge

00:05:05.080 huge outcry, because it was school children that basically descended on a police station,

00:05:09.780 if I'm not mistaken. They were protesting being taught in Afrikaans. And they were fired at

00:05:16.320 for 30 seconds by the police. And to this day, we still have a public holiday commemorating

00:05:22.700 that event, because it was such a big outcry. But that sort of thing, you know, it's been

00:05:28.980 very exaggerated. I think that the violence of blacks on blacks was, I think, a lot more

00:05:36.680 intense than whites on black has been pretty minimal in comparison.

00:05:42.980 Now, when apartheid ended, what do you remember? What happened?

00:05:47.220 I was about 12 at the time, as I say. And I clearly remember the first democratic election,

00:05:54.180 where the entire country was sort of riding this incredibly optimistic wave. We'd seen

00:06:02.260 it coming since Nelson Mandela was released from prison. And so we knew it was coming. And

00:06:07.920 everyone was in really good spirits, I think, because, you know, we were very conditioned to

00:06:13.880 believe that this was a good thing. And it was much to be desired and very welcome. And so

00:06:21.800 when everyone turned out to vote, the whole country was in a very positive mood, I would say, and

00:06:29.560 celebrations. And it was, I think, from what I remember, it was relatively peaceful.

00:06:37.560 And, yeah, and we won the Rugby World Cup the following year, which was a very, you know,

00:06:44.440 first time black players were allowed to play international rugby. And so it was a very,

00:06:51.080 I would say it was an extremely optimistic time. I'm quite short lived, I would say. But at the time,

00:06:59.000 I think the entirety of South Africa had been prepared, you know, to see it as a really good

00:07:05.800 thing. Yeah, I wonder how it went from nationalism, basically, to a lot of these Marxist ideas that are

00:07:12.440 infecting a lot of Afrikaners, which I'm, how did that happen in such a quick period, if you know?

00:07:17.960 Exactly. And that's what I wanted to get into with you is, there was a lot of conditioning that went

00:07:23.960 on. And I can see it now looking back, because I was a child and a teenager when it was happening.

00:07:30.360 And as I look back, I can see how we were being primed for it, by the things that were being said in

00:07:37.880 the media, by the things that we were being taught at school. You know, from starting off seeing it as

00:07:45.800 a really positive step for the country, it became more and more insidious, really, with the sort of

00:07:54.360 influx of this extremely socialist and then Marxist and increasingly strict kind of anti-white kind of

00:08:05.080 agenda that just kind of started to creep in more and more insidiously. But it was as slow as the,

00:08:10.200 this has been sort of 20 years or so in the making. And it's crept in gradually. I mean,

00:08:17.080 I remember very clearly, when I was in, when I was about 16, in high school, we were learning about

00:08:27.320 South African history. And, and we were talking about, you know, we were conditioned at the time

00:08:33.400 to see Nelson Mandela as this wonderful man. And a mass murderer. Yes, exactly. The savior who'd come

00:08:39.560 to rescue our country. And no one really even questioned this because of all the, the, just the,

00:08:47.480 you know what it's like, the emotional kind of just conditioning that you get day in and day out

00:08:54.760 in the media and you're told about how amazing this is, how miraculous this is, how with this rainbow nation.

00:09:02.360 And so whether you might not fully believe it because you obviously have questions and I was raised

00:09:09.400 to be a very critical thinker, but you're willing to ride this tide as long as everything's sort of going,

00:09:15.400 okay. You sort of think, okay, well, maybe I can go along with this. And, you know, when you ask questions,

00:09:21.240 you're told, no, this is for the best. And, and you just need to accept it. And the sooner you accept it, the better.

00:09:28.120 Um, but I remember very clearly, as I, as I was saying, when I was about 16 or so,

00:09:33.880 we were being taught about affirmative action. It was, you know, they were very quick to bring that in. 0.76

00:09:37.960 And I mean, they came into power in 1994 and I would say by, by the late nineties,

00:09:46.840 they'd already implemented affirmative action. And, um, we were taught about affirmative action

00:09:53.160 in school. And, and I remember my very first question because it was the first time I'd ever

00:09:57.720 heard of it was, okay, well, if this is a, if this is a measure to redress the so-called wrongs of the

00:10:04.360 past, how long is it going to last? Because surely you can't have affirmative action indefinitely.

00:10:10.200 If they're going to put this in as a policy, um, to kind of help blacks to get to where they say

00:10:16.600 they're supposed to be, surely it's got to be a temporary measure. Um, and of course it had to

00:10:22.840 have been whites that introduced this idea because the Africans didn't think of this on their own,

00:10:27.240 right? Yeah. Well, it's, it's Marxist, um, policy, which, and at the, the ANC that came into power

00:10:35.800 had been spending their time in Cuba and Russia learning Marxist ideology during the so-called

00:10:42.360 apartheid struggle. So they were importing all these ideas from overseas. Um, so for me, I, to me,

00:10:52.760 I just thought, okay, well, this is just apartheid with another name, surely, uh, to my sort of young

00:10:58.840 mind, I thought, okay, well, um, affirmative action. Okay. Even if you can stretch your kind 1.00

00:11:07.480 of reasoning to say that it's something which is fair, surely it's not going to always be fair.

00:11:14.680 It's got to come to an end at some point. Um, I was told that, um, in fact, the ANC government had

00:11:20.920 no timeline on affirmative action whatsoever. To me, this seemed shocking. Even to my teenage mind,

00:11:27.880 I thought this was a shocking injustice, um, that you can be willing to punish future generations of

00:11:35.560 whites for years to come for something they didn't even do. I was a child when this all happened, and

00:11:42.040 yet I was going to have to suffer the consequences of affirmative action for, with no end in sight.

00:11:48.200 Well, and that's what's happening in every white country, whether you're Swedish or Russian,

00:11:53.080 it doesn't matter. You're white, you're guilty. You have to pay for transatlantic slave trade. 0.99

00:11:57.640 You know, it's just ridiculous. Or colonialism. We're all implicated in it for some reason. 0.88

00:12:02.360 Yeah. You were talking about it's broad-based black economic empowerment, right? God,

00:12:07.080 that's a mouthful of the legislation. Exactly.

00:12:09.320 It started off, you know, innocent enough, as I say, it started off as this very gentle kind of

00:12:15.320 idea of affirmative action. And, and whites were acclimatized to this idea through conditioning,

00:12:22.520 through the education system, through, I got it in high school. And then again, when I studied at

00:12:28.200 university, you got it rammed down your throats again. And, and gently, they, they conditioned us to

00:12:33.800 this, this idea of affirmative action. But it didn't stay this gentle idea of affirmative action

00:12:40.840 for long. It's been, you know, took root in, in various laws. And I was reading the other day,

00:12:47.480 apparently there are 114 different pieces of affirmative action legislation in South Africa.

00:12:53.560 Now, yeah. And so from starting off as, as being this kind of fair, supposedly fair policy that the ANC

00:13:03.080 were introducing to address the wrongs of the past, it then just became gradually more and more insidious,

00:13:09.400 where then new legislation was passed, which, which actually entrenched it in law. It's, it's,

00:13:17.240 was no longer kind of a gentle persuasive tactic. It's now part of our law and it's not going anywhere.

00:13:23.800 Then they, um, it wasn't long after that when they introduced quota systems,

00:13:30.200 where, um, the idea was that companies had to hire staff on the basis of the demographic makeup

00:13:38.200 of South Africa. So South Africa being 80% black, 10%, roughly 10% white, 10% colored and Indian,

00:13:45.800 their companies were told that their staff quotas had to, um, look like that.

00:13:52.280 Yeah. So, um, yeah. So the, after it was passed into law, um, quotas were introduced where companies

00:14:02.840 had to submit reports as to how many people of different races they were employing. 0.73

00:14:08.840 Um, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's like in, in, in America, you have, you have to employ minorities. 1.00

00:14:16.120 They have all these special privileges here. Whereas in South Africa, the majority has the

00:14:20.760 special privileges, right? Exactly. I mean, you wouldn't introduce something to protect the

00:14:25.880 majority. If you didn't believe that the majority could make it on their own, that that's obvious.

00:14:32.040 Um, if, if, if the majority could get hired on their own merits, um, you wouldn't need these

00:14:39.240 incredibly far reaching laws. Um, so from the quota system, it quickly moved. Well, over a period of

00:14:47.480 time that there was, the government was constantly over a period of years has been saying that that

00:14:54.200 hasn't been doing enough. Oh, geez. So are there black only companies and do they have to meet 1.00

00:15:00.600 diversity quotas too? No, no. Um, it, it doesn't work the other way around. Um, so that, that, that

00:15:08.040 double standard is, is never questioned by the government. Black only companies are certainly 1.00

00:15:12.360 not pressured to hire white, um, employees. It, it really only, um, applies where you have companies

00:15:21.080 that were traditionally mostly white that are being pressured, not only to hire, um, in their new hiring,

00:15:30.200 to hire black employees, but, but actually to there, we went through a, a long period of time where

00:15:36.680 skilled white workers, and my mom was, was one of them, were retrenched to make way for new black 0.87

00:15:43.320 employees. So, um, that, that happened for quite a long time. It wasn't enough just to hold on to your

00:15:49.240 job. White employees were actually retrenched and fired so that companies could make up their quotas.

00:15:57.080 Um, but, but certainly no, uh, black, black companies, only black companies are held up as

00:16:06.360 paragraph. They're definitely not, um, required to hire white people. Well, then why would those 0.66

00:16:12.920 people have a problem with apartheid if they want to be separate anyway? It just seems like they just

00:16:16.600 want to have whites around to kind of toy with them and tantalize them, or maybe make them work for 0.99

00:16:21.960 them, kind of be slaves for them, but they don't want them to really separate and do their own thing,

00:16:25.960 right? Well, well, this is it. Um, you, you notice that blacks want to have a piece of the white pie, 1.00

00:16:34.120 but it doesn't work the other way around. Um, for the most part, um, I think white people, if left to 0.82

00:16:41.560 their own devices, do tend to stick together. Um, I work for a company that's, um, that has an unspoken

00:16:49.320 policy of just hiring white people. So does my boyfriend. And, and I think that's how whites 0.84

00:16:54.120 have been able to survive really in this new climate is by sticking together and, and white

00:17:01.320 neighborhoods tend to stay white. And even if they don't explicitly, um, exclude other races because

00:17:08.520 they can't, um, I think they, in, in practical ways, we can get it. So I think for the most part,

00:17:16.440 you know, people are not really interested in mixing, except where the government forces it to

00:17:21.160 happen. You know, where, where government has forced big companies to hire, you know, many people of

00:17:29.240 different races. Um, for the most part, people are happier when they are with their own kind.

00:17:38.360 Now, is it easy for whites to start a business on their own or is it tough to get loans or do they 0.91

00:17:43.560 need government approval? What's that process like? Cause I know in places like Fiji, for instance,

00:17:47.480 if a foreigner wants to start a business, they have to go into business with a Fijian in order to start 1.00

00:17:52.680 the business. Oh gosh. Um, it's not easy. The slow economic growth has, has made starting a business

00:18:01.800 pretty difficult for just about anybody. And a lot of white people not having, not being able to

00:18:07.320 get access to the job markets, um, I think have tried to start their own businesses, but, but it's

00:18:13.160 difficult because, um, because of the slow economic growth rates. And also the, the government has

00:18:19.400 implemented pretty, um, kind of burdensome legislation for small businesses where they have to meet so

00:18:28.040 many administrative, you know, requirements that it, it is, it's difficult to get a business off the

00:18:34.360 ground. And, and banks in this country are also very, um, gun shy about giving loans out. Um, certainly

00:18:41.720 if you don't have money behind you, which many whites just simply don't anymore. Um, it, it is, 0.78

00:18:49.240 it's not easy to start a business here now. Now, what is your media like down there? Is it as

00:18:53.960 controlled as we have up here in the North? I mean, are they also blasting Black Lives Matter

00:18:58.440 propaganda and showing, you know, in America blacks are, you know, shot by cops? Do they show that? 0.99

00:19:04.040 Absolutely. Um, I would say, I, I mean, I can't speak for exactly what the media is like in America

00:19:10.040 and Europe. I've, I've kind of had a taste first of what I've gone looking for in the internet, but I

00:19:15.560 would say it's probably a lot worse here. Um, because they, they've got such a ready scapegoat

00:19:21.720 with apartheid, um, just for the longest time. Um, it's like the Holocaust card, the apartheid card, 0.68

00:19:30.760 you know, he can do anything because of the apartheid. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I would say it's a lot 0.82

00:19:35.800 worse, um, over here. Um, you, not only have you got this sort of ready-made scapegoat in the form of

00:19:43.240 apartheid, which people have been amazingly willing to swallow. Um, you know, there's, you, 1.00

00:19:51.160 there's no end to the number of things that have been blamed on apartheid. And most recently, um, we,

00:19:56.840 we, we've had the protesters destroying the universities. Um, and, and obviously that's

00:20:03.640 been blamed on apartheid too. They, they don't want the sort of white institutions that we set 0.67

00:20:09.960 up for them during apartheid. Um, and they want free education and they don't want to pay fees and

00:20:18.600 they don't like the Euro, apparently the Eurocentric nature of our education. And so there, there's no

00:20:26.280 end to the number of ways you can spin apartheid being to blame for things. So, um, the, the media

00:20:34.280 is, I think, taking the sort of stance that, um, when in doubt, rather be sympathetic to those blaming

00:20:42.760 apartheid. So people have been very reluctant to come out and say, well, you know,

00:20:48.520 actually apartheid isn't to blame for everything. Not all white people are racist. Um, the, the,

00:20:56.040 the media have been very reluctant to sort of take a realistic stance on things because you've had

00:21:04.360 the occasional person who's popped their head up and, and sort of spoke now about the things that

00:21:14.280 are going on and they've had pretty horrific consequences when they've done that. Um, people have

00:21:21.240 lost their jobs. That, that's usually the first thing that happens when you, when you say something

00:21:25.960 that, that sounds like it's sort of criticizing the apartheid is to blame for all things party line. Um,

00:21:35.480 people have been found guilty to pay horrific fines. Um, yeah, the, the, the fear.

00:21:42.440 Do you spend any time in jail for quote unquote hate speech or racism? What happens to them? What's

00:21:47.160 some of the worst things that can happen to them other than being fired and fined? They could be killed,

00:21:51.080 right? Um, yeah. Um, I don't know of anyone who's actually been killed as a result. I don't know of 0.98

00:21:58.440 anyone who's actually spent time in jail for hate speech. Um, but certainly, um, I, I know of one

00:22:07.240 lady who was given a 150,000 round fine for something she said on Facebook. Um, another guy

00:22:15.880 was also given a massive fine. They were, had to do community service, which I suppose it doesn't

00:22:22.200 sound that bad, but when you take it in context, in the context of losing your job on top of that and

00:22:27.960 jobs are hard to come by South Africa these days, it's enough to make people self-censor pretty 1.00

00:22:38.280 heavily, I would say. You, you've got to be very careful, um, of the things that you say.

00:22:45.640 Yeah. Like Penny Sparrow, right? She mentioned something about black people on the beaches.

00:22:50.040 They were, what'd you say, behaving like monkeys. They were littering everywhere, 0.99

00:22:54.200 not picking up their trash and she got in big trouble, didn't she?

00:22:57.640 She had the audacity to mention this, which is something that everybody knows. Um, all white 1.00

00:23:02.520 people know this. This has been happening since I was a child for, you know, for as long as I can

00:23:07.400 remember. Um, you don't go to the beaches on New Year's Day because it's, it's a massive black mass

00:23:15.880 of people. Um, and the, the, the beaches are in a total state, um, afterwards. And, and she just,

00:23:23.240 she mentioned this on Facebook and she, she used the unfortunate word monkey, but it, she was 0.66

00:23:28.840 referring to the fact that a monkey will, and we have monkeys over here. They'll, they'll pick 0.95

00:23:34.440 something up, they'll take one bite and they'll throw it on the ground. And that's what she meant

00:23:39.400 by the comments. I, I don't think she, it wasn't as kind of, I certainly wouldn't regard that as hate

00:23:46.120 speech. But she was, she was absolutely plagued with death threats after that came out. She was 0.99

00:23:52.280 found guilty in court of hate speech. Um, she was fined 150,000 rand. Um, and her life will never be

00:24:00.440 the same again. She was absolutely vilified in the media. It was, it was actually very sad to watch

00:24:07.400 because I, I really don't think that she meant it, um, in, in a particularly mean-spirited way. I

00:24:15.880 think she was referring to the fact that she was disgraced by the fact that her own beaches,

00:24:20.680 you know, were a pigsty, which we all love. Of course, you should be mad about that. Absolutely.

00:24:26.520 It's how we all feel. But just because she said it, um, you know, it, she was turned into,

00:24:34.120 into a villain and so many white people jumped on the bandwagon and said, oh, you know, it's terrible

00:24:39.640 that she said these things, but it's things that they say in private and, and she said it publicly.

00:24:45.160 So. So would you say the majority of Afrikaners are, are liberal these days or where do they fall on

00:24:51.480 the political spectrum then? I wouldn't say that they're, I wouldn't go so far as to say that

00:24:56.120 they're liberal. I would say they've been neutered to be honest. I think they just, they feel very

00:25:03.560 despondent. Um, I, I think they see their, their culture and their heritage slipping away from them.

00:25:10.920 Um, the universities that used to teach in Afrikaans are not allowed to do that anymore. Um, Afrikaans is

00:25:18.680 not really a language that's being encouraged to be spoken at this so much shame attached to,

00:25:25.160 to being an Afrikaner. Um, and, and they're not encouraged to, to preserve their heritage. It's

00:25:31.960 quite difficult, um, in the current climates. So I would, I would say they, I wouldn't go so far as to

00:25:41.640 say they're liberals because I, I think they're pretty right wing, um, in, in their hearts. Um,

00:25:48.760 they, they love, you know, the Afrikaner culture goes back so far. They, they love their culture.

00:25:54.920 They love their people. They love their history. They're not really ashamed, but they've been made

00:26:00.200 to feel so much shame that I think they don't really know which way is up anymore. They're very

00:26:04.680 confused and they're, you just don't hear from them so much anymore. Um, I think when they're

00:26:12.520 called upon to say something that they'll try, give the most liberal answer that they can,

00:26:17.800 they'll tell you apartheid was a terrible thing and, and they'll, they'll sort of protest that 0.68

00:26:23.080 they're not racist. Um, but I think it's like that. It's like that here too. I think a lot of white 0.51

00:26:29.560 people in Europe and America, Australia, New Zealand, in the colonies, I think they're really

00:26:34.520 nationalists in their heart, but they're not brave enough to come out and say it because of all the

00:26:39.160 social repercussions that happen. Even here with Trump supporters, you know, I try and coax it out

00:26:44.040 of people. And the only way I can do it is like, Hey, I'm voting for Trump. And then they say, Oh yeah,

00:26:47.640 okay. Oh, I'm voting for Trump too. It's like, there's a shame to admit that, you know, they're

00:26:52.120 worried about what might happen. That's exactly it. It's like they, they, they believe the things that

00:26:58.200 we're speaking about in their hearts, but, um, it's, yeah, it's, it's that exactly there. That's

00:27:04.120 just so terrified of being ostracized and of something negative happening to them. Um,

00:27:09.720 that they, they don't really, they don't want to be the first one to sort of come out in support of

00:27:15.720 any kind of anything that even smells like a right wing idea. Now, how do whites view the white squatter 0.59

00:27:21.640 camps? Do they ignore it? Do they resent them? Do they think they're trashy or what's their stance on

00:27:27.160 the destitute, you know, whites in poverty? Yeah, I think, um, I, to be honest, I think white people in 0.97

00:27:33.880 this country are just incredibly saddened by us. We, we sympathize that I don't think there's a single

00:27:41.800 white person in this country who hasn't been affected somehow by the new regime. And so I think

00:27:48.200 we have a great deal of just a great deal of sympathy for, for the whites that have been incredibly hard

00:27:55.400 hits and lost their jobs, lost their livelihood. Um, I think we'd love to do more to help, but so many of

00:28:03.320 us are just simply trying to survive, you know, ourselves. Um, but yeah, there's, there's no

00:28:11.000 question that, that we know how hard this has been on, on our own people. And, um, it, I think it saddens,

00:28:20.680 it saddens other white South Africans tremendously. As I say, we've all been hissed in one way or another.

00:28:26.280 Um, but, but lots of, we've all had people who've lost their jobs. Um, and from what I've seen too,

00:28:35.160 it seems like the, the rich white people that are down there are, well, they're members of another

00:28:40.520 tribe, if I put it that way, but they're also more Marxists. So they really don't give a damn 0.87

00:28:45.400 about poor white people anyway. Yeah. I think, um, it's become very fashionable to support black 0.99

00:28:52.280 charities rather than white charities. It's, it's this, that's just it. Yeah. I think there's a 0.87

00:28:57.160 sort of a feeling that, um, well, the white people will kind of be okay no matter what. And

00:29:04.840 it's just kind of more, it's not very fashionable to come out in public and support white only

00:29:12.200 charities. Um, it's, it's a lot more fashionable to, to be seen to be siding with black people.

00:29:20.280 That's honestly just that I've seen that in, um, my own friends and, um, in the people around me.

00:29:28.200 It's yeah. People think, oh, they have privilege. They'll come out of it. Okay. Even though they're

00:29:31.960 living in the dirt, right? They're privileged. They'll, they'll figure it out. They're white. 0.95

00:29:36.120 They'll figure it out. Well, then that's saying that we're different.

00:29:38.120 Yeah, exactly. Um, and, and that's the irony of this is that people know that we're different.

00:29:45.560 Everybody race is a reality that everybody knows about, but as for actually coming out and doing

00:29:53.800 anything practical about it, that's where people are, they've just been so conditioned over the

00:30:00.360 course of their life to be terrified of, of doing anything, which seems to support white people. 0.64

00:30:05.960 And, and I know, um, as much as, you know, I agree with the sort of things that you guys are saying,

00:30:13.560 for the most part, it's, it's difficult to come out and say, well, you know, I, I want to

00:30:19.080 only support my own kind, or I want to uplift other white people before. I mean, that I think in 0.70

00:30:26.280 practice, that's how a lot of us, as I was saying, that's how a lot of us live our lives. Where, where we can,

00:30:31.640 we'll give a job to a deserving white person. Um, but as for coming out publicly and saying,

00:30:39.320 that's what we're doing, I think people like to look as if they're liberal, if that makes sense.

00:30:44.840 Yeah. And I think maybe down there, maybe right now is not the smartest time. I mean,

00:30:48.040 there's a lot of ultra right people up in Europe and America that stay anonymous,

00:30:52.360 but I think things will change as it becomes more popular. And as we've become more of a bigger group

00:30:57.560 and a force to be reckoned with, people will have some courage to come out, if you know what I mean.

00:31:01.880 Absolutely. Well, there is also a group I want to ask you about, you told me it was called

00:31:06.360 Solidarity, you would say in English down in South Africa. What are they doing? Because they also,

00:31:10.600 also submitted a report to the UN, right? Yes. Um, I, I found that so interesting. This is

00:31:15.400 something I only discovered a few days ago. Um, it's Solidaritate is the South, the Afrikaans word,

00:31:22.440 at least. And it means Solidarity. Um, and, um, they've been putting up ads on YouTube where, um,

00:31:30.040 they, it's, it's a group that, um, have seen what's going on. They've seen how, um, white young,

00:31:38.440 youngsters are being refused admission to university because of quotas, um, how white youngsters are not 0.98

00:31:46.680 getting jobs. They've, they've sort of seen the plight of specifically Afrikaans, white youngsters,

00:31:52.760 but just white youngsters in, in general. And, and they sort of thought, okay, well,

00:31:58.840 they want to do something to uplift specifically white young people. And they've, um, set up, um,

00:32:05.000 education funds and to, you know, so that to enable deserving white youngsters to go to university

00:32:12.200 and, um, to start businesses and that sort of thing. Um, and, and it is specifically for white 1.00

00:32:20.760 people. Um, and, um, they submitted a report to the United Nations and the United, there was a committee

00:32:28.600 that the United Nations formed that actually, um, called a delegation from the South African government

00:32:35.800 to address the points that were raised in this report that the, that Solidaritate, um, submitted to

00:32:43.880 them. And, um, the, the UN committee findings, um, on the South African government's policies were

00:32:51.880 absolutely damning. They were, you know, they found them to be racist in the extreme, what, what they're

00:32:58.680 doing to white people because the, the, the policies of the South African government and what the UN said is

00:33:05.480 that they're, they're based purely on your race. They're the barriers to the job market have got 0.95

00:33:10.280 nothing to do with your, um, your poverty status or, um, how deserving you are in terms of, um,

00:33:19.560 your economic level. It's pure barrier based on race. And, and the UN, um, sort of called the, the

00:33:30.360 South African government to answer on how, you know, to justify their, their policies. And, um,

00:33:40.280 yeah. Wow. I didn't, I didn't hear anything about this. There are no media attention. So what came out of

00:33:45.720 this? It's amazing that the UN is even acknowledging this because a lot of people have been using the

00:33:50.520 word genocide down in South Africa and talking about all the murders, but nothing ever comes of

00:33:55.640 it. Well, this is exactly it. This just goes to show you how much this has been suppressed in the

00:34:00.200 media. Um, I, I certainly hadn't heard about it until I specifically Googled Solidaritate because I

00:34:06.440 was looking for information on them. And it turned out that they'd compiled the shadow reports with figures,

00:34:12.680 um, of the rising poverty amongst whites in South Africa. And, and they'd gone and documented the

00:34:23.560 affirmative action laws and the effects of affirmative action in detail and the effects

00:34:26.920 that it was having on the white population. Um, and they'd submitted this shadow report and the UN

00:34:31.240 were shocked. Um, and as I say, they, they called the South African government to account for it.

00:34:37.720 Whether anything will actually come of it or be done about it, I'm not sure, but I, as

00:34:44.680 like you, I was just amazed that this didn't find its way into the mainstream media. Um,

00:34:53.240 in fact, these sort of statistics are hidden from us. They're, it's hard, hard to find unless you

00:35:00.680 actually go looking for us. Well, the UN should be releasing a press release, but I guess they don't,

00:35:05.160 they didn't do that when it came to this report. Yeah. It doesn't seem like it. No.

00:35:11.240 Uh, now what's the latest news with the attack on the farmers and the attempts to redistribute the

00:35:16.600 land? I don't hear much about that anymore. No. Um, I think again, that's, that's a prime example of

00:35:22.600 where, um, this is being kept out of the news. All that we really know as South African consumers

00:35:28.520 is that, um, food as a result, you know, coming from farms, it's just getting more and more expensive

00:35:34.520 because it's the production levels are dropping as farms are being taken away from productive white

00:35:41.160 farmers and redistributed, um, to, to black farmers. The, the production levels at those sorts of farms 0.74

00:35:49.880 typically drops dramatically causing food shortages, which, you know, causes the price of everything to

00:35:57.000 rise. Um, uh, in terms of, um, farm murders, I, I haven't heard too much about that in the news

00:36:04.680 recently. There, there was, these things tend to come in waves. Um, and it, it seems like when there

00:36:12.040 are a few, it seems to give a whole lot of these sort of rather violent farm laborers the idea, um, to,

00:36:19.800 to do it. So, um, you, you get these crime waves where it kind of sweeps through a particular area and

00:36:25.720 lots of farms get hard hit at once. Yeah. They get a pack mentality or as they say in America,

00:36:31.160 chimp outs. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You've got farms that are close together where, um, 0.99

00:36:40.120 the farmers are being murdered. Um, and, um, then it seems to go quiet for a while, but how many of

00:36:46.600 these are actually being reported and actually making their way into the news? I'm not sure.

00:36:51.000 What I do know is, is those farmers that I know of, um, um, their, their outlook is pretty bleak.

00:36:58.200 They're either embroiled in, in land claims, um, where you, you've got blacks that are land claimed 0.86

00:37:05.080 to their land or they've just got such heavy security on the farms. Um, you know, generally they,

00:37:14.840 they are terrified, um, of being attacked. Yeah. What do you, what do you think of all

00:37:20.840 these claims? You know, they stole the land because we know that we, I've talked to enough

00:37:25.000 South Africans to learn a bit of history down there. There was nothing when European settlers 0.99

00:37:30.680 arrived. Well, it's, it's, it's completely false. I learned today actually that, um, the Zulus, um, 0.99

00:37:39.320 sort of actually came down into a lot of the territories at this, around about the same time

00:37:46.680 that the Dutch did. So the, the indigenous people that were living here were certainly not 0.99

00:37:51.960 the same black people that we have today who are mostly Zulus. The Zulus were not here when, um, 1.00

00:38:00.120 when white people came to South Africa 300 or so years ago. Um, so the idea that, that we stole the

00:38:07.160 land from them is, is just blatantly false. Um, it's, the Zulus wiped out the local blacks that were here 1.00

00:38:18.520 who were not Zulus and are practically extinct now. Um, so if anything, the Zulus should actually be, um, 0.94

00:38:27.720 paying reparations and giving the land back to those kind of, kind of remaining, um,

00:38:33.080 uh, uh, uh, Bushmen who were actually here before them. But, but it's definitely not the case that

00:38:41.880 sort of droves of white people came and chased them off the land. It's just, it's just not true.

00:38:47.240 Um, yeah, people always have this romantic idea that it was just all peace and they're all just holding

00:38:53.080 hands before the white man arrived, right? It's like, no, they were killing each other, you know?

00:38:58.200 There was plenty of war going on. Very violent, aggressive people. Um, and there was a great

00:39:05.640 sort of deal of battling going on when white people arrived here. Um, and, and certainly the, the Zulus 1.00

00:39:12.360 of today bear no resemblance to, or had the sort of link to their past is so tenuous that, that to say

00:39:21.000 they, they have more of a right to the land than some farmer who's been farming it productively for the

00:39:26.840 last several generations. It's, it's crazy. Um, but that this is the sort of logic that, that we are

00:39:34.120 kind of living with these days. So do they also in the universities there, do they also push,

00:39:40.920 you know, all these lies about slavery and colonialism? Do you get the same kind of

00:39:45.080 garbage down there as we get up here? Oh yes. Absolutely. Um, universities are very liberal. 0.98

00:39:51.320 They have to be. Um, I remember when I was studying law, um, I had it sort of pushed down my throat

00:39:59.560 that, um, you know, all these sort of liberal lies that we get told about how, um, land is, is a right,

00:40:08.520 um, just like food and water. So, um, everyone has a right to land whether they've worked for it or not.

00:40:17.080 Um, and the, how the people only, black people only commit crime because they're poor. Um, and 1.00

00:40:27.320 yeah, it's, it, the, you, you're taught about apartheid and, and virtually nothing else. You're

00:40:31.960 certainly not taught about your own heritage. I, I learned more than I could ever wish to about the

00:40:39.800 apartheid governments and about the struggle, you know, to free us from apartheid. But I learned very

00:40:45.960 little about the history of my own people. We didn't sort of learn much about, um, you know, the,

00:40:54.600 the, our sort of ancestors who came to South Africa, the, the, the Dutch who settled here and,

00:41:02.520 and any of that sort of information. It's just, it's, it's, everything is clouded by this agenda

00:41:08.440 agenda where we kind of have to, it, it all kind of seems to be wanting to bring us to a point,

00:41:15.080 um, where we kind of accept that we have this tainted past and, and now we have to accept that

00:41:23.720 we're this rainbow nation. Um, and, and everything in the education system, I would say, is sort of

00:41:29.640 geared towards bringing you to that sort of acceptance.

00:41:32.680 Now, are they pushing the same kind of lines of, Oh, we need to all just mix ourselves out for peace

00:41:38.440 and just be one race and then we'll all get along. Do you hear some of that down there?

00:41:42.040 Oh, yes, absolutely. Um, it's, I would say I see it the most in, in terms of kind of

00:41:49.960 living arrangements. The, the apartheid government was pretty effective in dividing the different races 0.98

00:41:55.800 up into different areas. Um, and, um, what, what we have is a situation now where black people are 1.00

00:42:05.880 moving into white neighborhoods. Obviously it's not happening the other way around. White people 0.99

00:42:10.760 are not moving into black neighborhoods, but, um, that, so you, you typically have, you know,

00:42:16.760 some blacks living in white neighborhoods and, and, and it, it just, it doesn't work because culturally,

00:42:22.680 we are just so very different. Um, for example, um, Zulus will celebrate a wedding by slaughtering a 1.00

00:42:31.880 goat and they'll, they will have these sorts of celebrations in their back garden right next to,

00:42:39.640 um, someone like myself, who's very white, very culturally English. And the, the two cultures are just 0.82

00:42:49.320 completely diametrically opposed. Yeah. You're like having your tea and biscuits while your

00:42:54.920 neighbors slaughtering a goat. Yeah, that doesn't work. Exactly. And, and you have, they're, they're a

00:43:01.320 very like loud and gregarious sort of people and, and they play their music extremely loud. And, and

00:43:09.720 that's just not how we are. They, they'll, they'll cram way more people into a house than

00:43:17.560 the house can actually hold. And, and you've got these two living side by side. And to, to draw any

00:43:26.760 attention to that, the, the fact that it makes us uncomfortable is, is supposedly racist. I mean,

00:43:32.920 I, I, I own a flat in a block of flats and, and, and I lived there for a little bit. I don't live

00:43:38.920 there anymore. I rent slats, but I lived there for a bit. And there was a black family living in the

00:43:45.400 same block of flats and the, the unit that they had could only, was only allowed to have two adults

00:43:53.640 and two children. But they had four children living in a very, in one room really. And, and these

00:44:03.720 children would just cry and scream and make, make a huge noise. And I, I went to them and tried to very

00:44:10.760 nicely talk to them about it and, you know, kind of raise my concern. And, and, and I was roundly

00:44:17.880 told just for having the audacity to talk to them about it. I was, I was told that I was racist and

00:44:25.000 yeah. So it's funny because something like that just happened here in America and these,

00:44:29.240 it makes the news. Apparently some happened to be white guy and his neighbor happened to be black,

00:44:34.840 who was making lots of noise at night. It was like three in the morning. He goes and leaves a note on

00:44:40.200 his door. You know, you're being a rude neighbor. Please keep it quiet. My wife and I have to get

00:44:44.440 up early to sleep. Well, this guy ran to the press with it and said that there's some racist white guy

00:44:49.880 was attacking him. And this is gent, this is what gentrification sounds like. So basically

00:44:54.840 silence, asking for silence and peace and quiet is becoming racist, you know?

00:44:59.320 Yeah. This is, this is it exactly. No one has any sympathy when, when you try to

00:45:05.720 kind of approach this reasonably and say, well, you know, culturally, this is just not how we do things.

00:45:12.360 Um, and yeah, the, the second that you kind of suggest that they should

00:45:19.320 maybe amend their behavior to, to be a bit more considerate to their neighbors is

00:45:26.440 you're branded a racist because you can't draw attention. I was told in that same block of flats,

00:45:32.200 I was told, well, black people just speak loudly and, and they shout and that I need to, 1.00

00:45:39.400 I need to get used to that. Just accept it, right? Just accept it. Um, you, you can be on the other 0.87

00:45:48.280 side of, of the road and hear a black person having a conversation, but the same is not true for white 0.84

00:45:54.120 people. White people speak quietly and that they're generally quiet in their ways over here. So, um, 0.69

00:46:00.760 apparently just for wanting that sort of level of quietness around you, that is

00:46:08.600 regarded as racist over here. Yeah. Isn't it interesting? It's always in every white country. 0.53

00:46:12.840 It's always white people that have to give something up or surrender something. It's never 0.69

00:46:17.000 the other way around. It's never people respecting us and our ways. It's always us having to give up

00:46:22.040 more and more and more all the time. Yeah, that's, that's it. Exactly. We're the ones who've got to

00:46:27.480 understand. We're the ones who've got to make allowances, but they don't ever show any willingness

00:46:34.520 to make allowances for the way we are, our quiet way of life. Um, they, they don't have much respect

00:46:42.200 for that. Um, so it, it, it saddens me. We, we, we pushed, like you, like you say, this, this kind of

00:46:49.400 multicultural, this sort of diversity where we, we all have to live together, although no one is really

00:46:55.160 happy with it. It doesn't work. It, it just, it doesn't work. It's because it's forced. If it's

00:47:02.040 organic and people move together, that's one thing, but this is not, this is government forcing people

00:47:07.000 to live with each other. I mean, that just doesn't work. You can't force people to do it. If they think

00:47:11.400 it was wrong to force people apart, why is it right all of a sudden, morally right to force people 0.94

00:47:16.360 together? Yeah. Why do they think this is morally that they're, they're the ones that are right in this

00:47:21.400 matter? Yeah. I, well, I think it's because they have kind of become the new writers of the moral

00:47:27.400 code. Um, where they kind of decided you're a good person if you, if you put up with, um,

00:47:36.440 you know, a culture that's foreign to you and you're a bad person if you don't like it. So, um, 0.96

00:47:42.280 you're, you're a good person if, if you accept that your universities are being burned to the ground 0.96

00:47:47.960 and you're a bad person if you kind of say, well, this is outrageous and, um, black people 1.00

00:47:56.600 should not be allowed to burn the very universities that my ancestors worked very hard to build for 0.92

00:48:05.560 them. Um, it, I, I, I don't get how it's, how you can have the moral high ground when you're doing

00:48:12.920 things that are just complacently wrong. You know, um, it, it, it saddens me a great deal.

00:48:19.960 I don't mind telling you. Well, it's up to people like us to not accept it, to fight back and to say,

00:48:26.200 actually, no, you're wrong. And what you're doing is totally evil and hateful instead of just putting

00:48:32.120 up with it and being quiet and going away. Yeah. And this is what I've been trying to say to people

00:48:37.240 as much as I can. Anyone that I, that I talk to about it, I do try to say, well, you know,

00:48:42.120 it's, it's not virtuous to keep quiet in the name of, um, trying not to seem racist. You do have to

00:48:48.440 call out things that are, that are just blatantly wrong. Um, crime is wrong. Destroying universities

00:48:55.320 is wrong. Um, I'm, I'm not going to keep quiet about that and say, well, I'm going to try and be

00:49:05.080 sympathetic and try and understand just simply because the people that are behaving in the way

00:49:10.520 of black, I'm not prepared to do it. And I do as much as people are still afraid to, they're afraid

00:49:15.960 to come up and kind of say it. Um, but, but I agree that that's part of the reason I'm doing this

00:49:20.840 interview with you is because I, I do think we have an obligation to, to come up.

00:49:26.200 Yeah. We have to think about the, the future of our kids. Otherwise they're going to be like,

00:49:30.040 well, what did you do mommy and daddy? I stayed quiet. I watched it happen and I said nothing.

00:49:35.480 I mean, what's noble and virtuous about that, right? Exactly.

00:49:39.080 What's brave and courageous about that? That's not the ways of our ancient ancestors.

00:49:43.360 No, no, not at all. We need to grow a bit of backbone here. I think it's about time that we did.

00:49:49.400 Well, I know you also wanted to talk about social media and how it's being used for witch

00:49:53.360 hunts to hunt down people who speak and think like we do. So what would you like to say about that?

00:49:57.660 Yeah, there were, there were quite a few people that I thought, um, warranted a bit of a mention

00:50:02.400 because I just, for me, I just found it so disgraceful. They, they were witch hunted really.

00:50:07.900 Um, I spoke about Penny Sparrow and, and what she said about the beaches. And, um, there was a DJ

00:50:14.960 who he, he didn't even come out and support what she'd said. He simply made a comment about free speech

00:50:22.320 and that the way people had, um, vilified her wasn't in keeping with free speech. And simply for saying

00:50:30.380 that on, on social media, um, he lost his job and was called a racist. Simply for, for, for trying to

00:50:41.940 stand up for this woman's right to free speech. He didn't even say supported what she said. He just

00:50:47.180 simply said he believed that she had the right to say it really. I don't think he was even as direct

00:50:53.300 as that. So, so that's how, how bad it's become. Um, there were a few other examples that, that I

00:50:59.880 mentioned to you. Um, um, um, Chris Hart was, uh, an investment bank with Standard Bank and, and he

00:51:05.960 made a comment about how, um, the, the number of victims since the end of apartheid has simply increased,

00:51:14.160 um, along with the sense of entitlement and hatred towards minorities. And, and for saying that,

00:51:20.540 not even mentioning black people, but just simply talking about the sense of entitlement,

00:51:26.620 he, he was suspended from his job as well. Um, there was a, a high court judge. I found this

00:51:33.540 very interesting. Um, she, she talks about rape culture. Um, Mabel, right? Mabel Jansen. Yeah, 0.86

00:51:39.920 Mabel Jansen. Yeah, I remember that. She, she's a high court judge. So if anyone should know what

00:51:44.540 she's talking about, it would be her. She's the one who actually has to adjudicate these sorts of

00:51:50.260 cases. They actually come before her. She's the one that has to hear the details of, of all the,

00:51:56.740 these child rape cases. And I mean, South Africa has got, if not the highest, then one of the highest

00:52:02.660 rape rates in the world. Um, and, and you, you cannot get away from the fact that, that this is,

00:52:11.680 Zulu culture has got to be too painful part of this because our, the majority of our population is

00:52:18.320 Zulu city. You have to talk about the cultural aspects of this. And, and she, she did that. She

00:52:23.400 was simply trying to bring attention to, um, the, the cultural aspects of, of rape. And I mean,

00:52:34.160 it must be very harrowing to, as a judge to have to see the, and, you know, hear about the details of

00:52:39.700 these cases day in and day out. And she was absolutely condemned in the media as being the 0.97

00:52:44.980 worst kind of racist. Um, and, and. Yeah, it's just unbelievable. I mean, she's a judge. She 1.00

00:52:53.240 hears and sees and knows it's the truth. And, but no, you can't, you can't say, you can't say what's

00:52:59.120 in front of your face. You can't say the truth. I mean, this is leftist totalitarianism. This is what

00:53:04.000 it is. Yeah, absolutely. And what I thought was interesting was that she didn't even, even seem 0.97

00:53:10.580 so concerned about, um, you know, the, the consequences to herself. Um, she, what, what

00:53:18.540 she was concerned about was that instead of spending all this energy and labeling her as a racist, 0.72

00:53:23.520 the country should address, um, the issue of protecting women and children that that's where

00:53:31.040 the, you know, she made the point, that's where your energy should be going. Why are you so concerned

00:53:34.740 about outing me as a racist when I'm drawing attention to a much bigger issue? And that was

00:53:40.860 what was for me shocking. Yeah. All the feminists are quiet all of a sudden, right? Yeah. It's on,

00:53:47.380 on the issue of race. It's like a Trump's every other, every other issue. People can be raped. 1.00

00:53:54.000 Children can be raped. Babies can be raised, raped, but let you mention one thing about, um, 0.99

00:54:00.640 about it being a black cultural problem and, and you're the bad person. And she, and she's a judge 0.99

00:54:08.240 who's had, who's put many of these rapists away. And yet she was the one that was vilified. I just,

00:54:13.400 I thought it was horrific. I really did. But, um, yeah, there, she, she's not the only one who's,

00:54:21.380 um, as I say, these, these aren't the, the only people who've been vilified in the social media.

00:54:26.400 I could go on and on. Another one I wanted to mention, just because he has ties to, um,

00:54:31.620 Solidaritate, which is that, um, organization I spoke about earlier was Steve Hoffmeyer,

00:54:37.240 who's a, a South African singer. He's pretty well known. Um, and he has, his reputation has virtually

00:54:45.500 been shot to hell. Um, he's, he's been kind of stereotyped as, as the worst racist you can,

00:54:54.420 you can get to simply for being an Afrikaans nationalist and for coming out and saying that

00:55:00.120 he's an Afrikaans nationalist. Um, and, and for saying, I think the comment that he made was, um,

00:55:07.180 that he's yet to meet a white person who would rape a black person. Yeah. It just doesn't happen. 0.99

00:55:18.280 It doesn't happen. And, and he's, it's, it's, it's truthful. It's not racist to say that because

00:55:24.460 it's truthful. It doesn't, it doesn't, it's virtually non-existent. And he said he, as far

00:55:31.800 as he can see, you don't have white kids climbing over fences of black people's houses to, to go in 0.97

00:55:39.600 and, and, and threaten them. It just doesn't happen. But, but yeah, he's been now, I read, um, 0.97

00:55:46.720 aside from being branded a terrible racist in the media, he, he's been prevented from

00:55:51.000 performing at, at many venues for saying these things. What's his name again? So we can help

00:55:55.660 support him and check out his music. Oh, Steve Hoffmayer. Um, yeah, yeah, he's, he's, and he,

00:56:03.520 and he's come out and said that he doesn't have anything against black people. He's he, what he's,

00:56:09.540 what he's for really is the preservation of his own culture. Exactly. That's what all nationalists are

00:56:15.540 about, you know, we're actually about preserving human biodiversity, not about mixing it all up

00:56:20.460 and blending it all into the same nothingness. Yeah. And, and I, you know, when I read some of

00:56:27.080 the things that he says, I, I, I feel for him and, and I'm half Afrikaans. So I, a part of me kind of,

00:56:34.180 kind of like really sort of feels this yearning as well for a culture that's dying out. And,

00:56:41.940 and I read one article which, which is written by a black person who interviewed him. Um, and where

00:56:48.200 Steve was talking about, you know, his heritage and, um, how he's trying to preserve, um, the Afrikaans

00:56:57.640 language and culture. And, um, this, this black journalist who, who was interviewing him called

00:57:05.160 him a dodo, um, as in, you know, something which is going extinct. And I thought that was so telling,

00:57:11.160 you know, we talk about cultures going extinct, European cultures that are going extinct. And

00:57:16.260 it was said in such a mocking tone, like, well, he must just, the Afrikaans people must just kind

00:57:23.400 of sit back and await their own demise, um, because they're about to go extinct. And I just,

00:57:29.200 I thought that was really, you know, terrible. Yeah. I mean, they just openly hate us,

00:57:35.120 these anti-whites and rejoice and, and push for our extinction. And that's not hateful. That's not 0.97

00:57:41.280 racist. I mean, you have to be blind to not see how hateful and racist that is.

00:57:46.340 Well, exactly. I mean, what kind of a, what kind of a person kind of looks at someone who's

00:57:53.280 trying to preserve their heritage and culture, not actually harming anyone else in the process

00:57:59.340 and, and kind of calls them a dodo who's about to become extinct and, and kind of sort of chuckles

00:58:08.680 to themselves as if to say, oh, you know, you, you poor deluded Afrikaans person, you, you don't 0.99

00:58:16.520 realize how obsolete you're becoming. And of course it's hateful. It's, it's, it's disgusting. I, 0.93

00:58:26.200 I'm, it makes me a shame to be South African now. I was always so proud to be South African, but I'm,

00:58:30.560 I don't feel proud these days. I, I mean, I'm proud to, to be part of my, you know, part of my own

00:58:38.620 culture, but I, you know, I, it, when, when, when a, when a group such an, an Afrikaans is a

00:58:47.180 legitimate culture and it's on its own. And when they want to stand up and sort of have a bit of

00:58:52.880 pride in their heritage and history, um, and, and they're told that they can't, I mean, that's,

00:59:00.040 it's, it's unjust. It's a shocking injustice as far as I'm concerned.

00:59:03.100 It is. But at the end of the day, they're, they're going to have to have the willpower

00:59:06.300 and the drive and the fight to want to survive and continue on. I mean, if they don't have that,

00:59:12.260 then I'm sorry, you're not going to, you're not going to continue. It's a sad truth.

00:59:16.940 Yeah, it's, it's absolutely true. It's, it's very sad, but you're absolutely right. No one is going

00:59:21.760 to save them if they won't save themselves. And that's true for all of us.

00:59:26.740 Well, Claire, I want to thank you for your time today. It's been a really interesting eyeopening hour.

00:59:31.620 So thank you so much. I know it's, uh, tough to come on and talk about some of these things

00:59:36.000 because you can get in trouble, but I really appreciate it.

00:59:39.140 No, it's been absolutely fantastic, Lana. Thanks so much for having me.

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Radio 3Fourteen - October 14, 2016

The Truth About South Africa_s Rainbow Nation

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