Radio 3Fourteen - Willem Petzer - South Africa： Critical Race Theory Put Into Action

00:00:00.000 thank you for tuning in i am your hostess lana joining me is willem petzer from south africa

00:00:20.840 he's the chairman of the taxpayers union of south africa and i'd say an all-around africaner

00:00:26.660 activist letting the world know what is really happening in south africa so if you want to know

00:00:31.420 get the lowdown you definitely need to follow willem welcome willem thanks for being here

00:00:36.080 thank you very much for hosting me lana it's a it's an honor so it's winter time down there right

00:00:42.740 so how how are the winters in south africa well it was quite cold uh yeah a few weeks ago it went

00:00:50.900 below zero celsius a few days which is quite annoying but uh right now it's not that cold

00:00:56.820 it's about 12 degrees i don't even know what that is in fahrenheit probably like 50 fahrenheit

00:01:02.800 ah piece of cake yeah okay well this is going to be good my first interview actually on south africa

00:01:10.720 was back in 2014 so this is nearly a decade ago um and it's only intensified it's getting worse yeah

00:01:17.720 there we go there's a ati scuta i don't know if you know him i wonder where he is and what he's

00:01:21.640 doing but well you and i first got in touch i think it was like a couple years ago and now we're

00:01:26.760 of course finally doing this interview but malema was in the news again in the spotlight after a

00:01:33.360 communist eff leader malema again was calling to kill the boar kill the farmer this was in a stadium

00:01:39.960 full of people and lefties in the west were saying hey you're all just taking it out of context

00:01:45.820 it's a song they used to sing against white oppression it's just a chance yeah by a political

00:01:51.460 leader openly calling for murder but not a peep from human rights groups in fact they defended it

00:01:57.360 what was your reaction to all of that if you were watching that i think you were on twitter or should i

00:02:02.000 say x well it it was nothing new to be honest with you i mean he's been singing the song since he

00:02:08.860 started getting into politics and it's not a a new song at all um i know a lot of uh journalists and

00:02:16.860 left-wing people say that uh uh we are equating this to a genocide here which i am i am not doing

00:02:25.700 um a lot of a lot of people on the conspiracy right are very much afraid that there might be a genocide

00:02:33.560 in south africa led by malema or something that he would instigate on on some level but from my side

00:02:41.740 i'm not afraid of of a genocide so much just because i don't believe the the black people in south africa

00:02:47.740 if they would want to go over to do something like that which i'm sure many of them do they don't have

00:02:54.660 the logistical or the managerial skills to be able to organize something like a genocide i always

00:03:01.880 tell someone i would much rather be oppressed in air quotation marks by malema or nelson mandela or

00:03:11.340 zuma or whoever than i would want to be oppressed by joseph stalin for the mere fact that it's basically

00:03:17.180 just an idiot running this country and i can say that without worrying about anything happening to

00:03:24.280 me because i know they don't have the have the know-how to do anything about it me sitting here saying

00:03:29.600 that so in that sense it's it's uh i'm not worried about it but in another sense we do know that

00:03:36.420 there's a lot of farm murders going on in this country and they are mostly targeting old people

00:03:43.460 um it's mostly not the the rich farmers it's poor farmers that they target and it's old people it's

00:03:50.020 people that really can't fend for themselves and then they come in a group of six seven people they

00:03:55.340 torture and they murder uh you know really just people who who who are defenseless it's not it's

00:04:02.740 not your normal uh murders in most senses where where people will just rob or for for any reason

00:04:11.180 they are murdered it's just it's a complete hate crime the same thing happened to my uh family to my

00:04:17.560 great uncle and great aunt and also their son um who were killed they were tortured and they were

00:04:23.840 written in their blood on on the walls but it's they were just defenseless people sitting in their

00:04:29.140 home they were old they were in their 80s already so this is basically what we're looking at it's it's

00:04:34.300 these the these terror attacks or these hate crimes against against really defenseless defenseless

00:04:40.040 people on the one hand but on the other hand they are quite afraid to to try and um do this

00:04:47.440 with young strong poor people for instance i can tell you a story in i don't know if you saw in

00:04:54.880 brackenfeld it's one of the towns in south africa near cape town the eff had a um they had a a protest

00:05:03.860 there and they started a fight with with some of the parents of the school kids and they uh immediately

00:05:10.180 when the when the parents started fighting back there the eff guys were just running away they were

00:05:15.340 cowardly in that sense so uh it's not like they they will do anything unless it's on unless it is

00:05:22.000 against someone who is clearly not able to fight back or defend themselves i see yeah exactly and

00:05:28.920 it's not the poor white farmers that ever oppressed you now i'd argue they were never oppressed but i mean

00:05:35.640 that's their argument right you stole the land and that's what i was thinking too why don't you go

00:05:39.600 after um then in that case uh those who own the diamond mines try and go for that land or try and

00:05:46.940 go for those people but they never do right i mean aren't there they don't i mean there's large

00:05:53.180 corporations in south africa um what about them how come they never target them well um they have a lot

00:06:02.940 of rhetoric against large corporations in south africa but uh sometimes they would go to like a

00:06:09.580 supermarket chain like we have this pharmacy chain called clicks here and they would destroy these

00:06:14.560 uh shops of this chain because of a hair product there was this advertisement where

00:06:19.860 it said uh i think uh there were different types of shampoos for different types of hair

00:06:26.160 and then the one said something like uh um i think it said healthy air and then it had this blonde

00:06:33.880 girl a white girl on there as their model and then it said something like dry and uh cracking air and

00:06:42.380 then they had this black woman as their model on there and then the eff because of this advertisement

00:06:47.860 they they went to this uh this chain of stores that that released this advertisement and they started

00:06:53.660 looting the stores which uh basically is what they do every time they protest if there's a chance to

00:06:59.880 start looting shops they will start looting shops that will be their main focus if that's if that's

00:07:05.880 even possible same thing in america right they get pissed off over some yeah really retarded thing and

00:07:13.140 then they have to go steal and burn down all of chicago you know exactly they get so angry they have to

00:07:18.480 steal a new iphone and then they blame they blame white supremacy and racism these mythical

00:07:24.960 things now i wanted to ask you now farm murders have gone up since then right you had said it had

00:07:31.840 gone up sevenfold since malema's uh chant there yes it's quite interesting the week after his

00:07:39.000 chant we had seven uh farm murders and the the statistics is about 50 per year so that's basically

00:07:46.320 one per week and then we had seven in one week and now this last week we again only had one so just

00:07:52.640 for that one week uh after he chanted it the the farm murders went up sevenfold but now it's it's down to

00:07:59.760 normal again so obviously it's impossible to prove it beyond reasonable doubt but it looks like there was

00:08:08.400 quite a significant correlation between the chance happening and uh these attacks going up sevenfold

00:08:16.800 in one week and then stabilizing again now do you have a number about how many farmers are operating in

00:08:23.920 south africa well the last number we had was in 2011 and then it was 30 000 but i think it has gone down

00:08:33.280 since then uh a more a more realistic number today would be probably about 20 000 okay so it's not a

00:08:40.880 lot but then see and then journalists are like see it's not that big of a deal right it was just a

00:08:45.520 couple just a couple people a couple white people died the other day what's the big deal uh how do you

00:08:51.280 respond to that well it's it's significantly they are significantly targeted because of the fact that

00:08:59.600 they live on farms and there's this whole land rhetoric i think in the first place secondly it's

00:09:04.560 easy they are easy targets because they are so isolated so if you want to go kill someone just

00:09:10.640 because you want to kill someone and for no other reason then someone who's isolated like that is

00:09:15.440 probably your best target and then yeah in the third place they basically just try to um

00:09:25.200 get people off of the land because they think if they can get the land which is their rhetoric they

00:09:32.320 they can they'll somehow be rich from that because but we know it's not the truth i mean most farmers

00:09:38.320 are not very rich but if you look at the proportionality of this 50 54 murders per year and there are

00:09:45.280 20 000 farmers which is my estimate then you you get to a number of 250 per 100 000 per year which is

00:09:54.000 very very very high it's it's uh it's higher than i think uh the mortality rate for soldiers were

00:10:00.720 in the iraq war um you can check you can check that if you want i'm not 100 sure of the numbers but uh

00:10:08.960 i think it's higher than that and it's the fact that they're being targeted because they're white if

00:10:14.080 this was happening anywhere else in the world if if whites were targeting let's say blacks uh farmers

00:10:20.080 just because they're black you know and we wanted the land it would be world news they'd be

00:10:25.680 nato would be coming in there uh there'd be tanks from america coming in there um so it's always it's

00:10:31.760 the hypocrisy the double standard and it is a lot i saw this video there was a cross for every white

00:10:37.360 farmer killed in south africa was yeah between 2018 2022 it was a lot it's a lot of bodies and and

00:10:43.680 and and we're talking like horrible horrible executions and torture and killing babies and

00:10:50.400 killing parents in or in front of little children and just like really horrific uh heartbreaking crimes

00:10:57.760 i just couldn't imagine yes i would i would argue that the the method of the killings are even worse than the numbers are

00:11:05.680 um they've started in the 1980s and since then there has been about 2000 farm murders in south africa but

00:11:13.760 we're talking about 40 years now obviously and it hasn't stopped it was it was a terror technique

00:11:20.240 that was begun by the anc before they came into power and they started doing it in the 1980s and

00:11:26.800 they haven't stopped since it's being deployed up until today now how do some of the white uh lefties

00:11:33.760 respond to some of this because it is amazing seeing some uh you know south africans just kind

00:11:38.240 of turn on their own like oh it's not a big deal it's like it's like white liberals in america they

00:11:44.880 just they're so self-hating i just it's just hard for me to get in that mindset you know to be honest

00:11:50.800 with you we don't really have white liberals in south africa yeah not really i i if you go into a

00:11:58.240 normal conversation then 90 percent of the people would be would be basically considered right wing

00:12:04.400 in america i like it um good it's uh it's just because of the the the circumstances that they are

00:12:10.720 in but uh if you're talking about white lefties in the news and so on and so forth then it's uh it's

00:12:18.240 it will most definitely not be africaners uh very few of them are africaners it's uh mostly

00:12:24.000 uh english people living in cape town in in 100 percent white areas where there are no black

00:12:31.200 people even coming close there or well basically anglos and then obviously there's a lot of jewish

00:12:37.120 people like the guy that said that he he wants to pair his wine with with uh white genocide richard

00:12:42.640 poplack i i have that tweet yes journalists so these people are not affected by by far murders in any

00:12:50.880 way they they live in cities they don't have family that own farms because most farm owners in south

00:12:56.320 africa would be um would be africaners would be african speaking germanic peoples and then the anglos

00:13:04.800 would mostly be in the cities so uh if you talk about my people specifically then uh someone being a

00:13:12.880 stereotypical american lefty would be very very rare to come across yeah i've always had great conversations

00:13:19.440 with africaners so that's good uh nothing gets you red-pilled like being in the thick of it yes

00:13:26.480 uh so what do you think about elon musk getting in the conversation finally about killed the boar

00:13:31.920 chant and south african general we see that it was trending on twitter he's of south african heritage

00:13:38.560 what do you think about that well i would i would have to see if anything happens from it i i don't have a

00:13:46.240 a lot of hope a lot of people get their hopes up when someone like for instance i think in 2016 or

00:13:52.320 2017 donald trump started tweeting about far murders and then everyone uh was celebrating and they thought

00:13:59.600 that something was going to happen or that donald trump was going to do something about it and then

00:14:04.960 obviously nothing nothing was done about it so i i honestly don't like it when people get their hopes up

00:14:11.360 so much uh from from from something like that because it uh shifts the focus from them doing

00:14:17.200 something that might actually help like joining farm watches or militias or getting training and stuff

00:14:23.280 like that and somehow they they develop this this sort of savior mentality that someone's going to come

00:14:30.160 and save us which is not going to happen um i don't think elon musk really uh puts a lot of emphasis on

00:14:39.840 his south african heritage it's too bad um he went he went to canada i believe before he even left

00:14:47.120 school uh high school so he was very young when he left south africa and i don't think he's even even

00:14:52.800 been here since so uh in that sense i don't think he he uh sees himself as an or some sort of ethnic

00:15:03.360 loyalty to south africans in any sense but uh it's good that he's talking about it to be honest with

00:15:11.040 you i think it's good that that someone because if he talks then everyone responds from the media even

00:15:16.560 if it's to just say that he's lying or that he's making up stories or whatever um it it puts a lot of

00:15:23.440 attention to it but uh i don't think we need more attention to fall murders within south africa in any

00:15:30.400 case uh because i think everyone who needs to be aware of it is already aware of it um do you think

00:15:38.080 that anything will come from from international attention to do this uh yeah i think it's good because

00:15:45.120 then maybe their pressure could be put on you know with the human rights orgs but those are all owned by

00:15:51.440 lefties we need our own human rights orgs uh but just having attention put to it i think is very

00:15:58.560 important right to know that eyes are watching so that's that there's some accountability i mean

00:16:04.480 what do you think is going to end it what is the answer probably probably in this in this day and age

00:16:10.720 nothing is going to end it we we need a complete uh paradigm shift within western society

00:16:18.160 uh to happen and that's the only way something will change i think uh to be honest with you the the

00:16:25.520 the whole light shining on farm murders in south africa and the anti-white hatred here is better for

00:16:32.160 your yes and their stick purposes than it is for for mine because you can you can actually use it as an

00:16:39.840 example right a warning example yes of uh what the path is that you're going down on because um if i look

00:16:48.400 at america today it looks to me very much like south africa in the 60s and the 70s see uh the exact same

00:16:56.560 sort of unrests that we had in those areas uh in those years we are seeing in america today so uh

00:17:04.960 when when when when when are they going to start some sort of terrorist attacks on whites in america

00:17:12.800 it's it's it's it's the exact same tendency that we saw in south africa and uh if you look at something

00:17:19.440 like apartheid uh for example they say that it was this very oppressive system that was so detrimental

00:17:28.800 to the human rights of black people in south africa but they are saying the exact same thing about america

00:17:34.320 today so exactly do you think america is oppressive to black people today you're probably saying no

00:17:45.680 no absolutely not and now i've looked into this and i of course i was in south africa uh the last year

00:17:52.240 during apartheid uh learned a few things i was corrected on a few things uh you know history we're never we're

00:17:59.360 never taught the true story especially in western institutions these days that are all hijacked by

00:18:05.440 marxists right um so let's talk about some of the biggest apartheid lies like for instance that

00:18:12.720 we hear that white people were slaughtering and mass murdering blacks i don't know who says that but

00:18:22.000 they do they do they do yes nothing of that sort happens uh they were they were about uh in the in

00:18:32.240 the highest in the heights of the of the anti-apartheid movement where the terror and the the we can call

00:18:40.240 it the war in the township was at its highest about 6 000 black people were killed uh during this let's

00:18:48.320 call it a uh an urban war about six six thousand black people were killed by white police officers

00:18:56.480 in those days but uh about 30 000 black people were also killed by other black people while the

00:19:02.960 factions were fighting for control so obviously in that in those days there were a lot of killings

00:19:10.800 but uh before that i mean south africa was probably one of the safest countries in the southern

00:19:17.280 hemisphere it was right on par with with australia when it's when we are talking about actual killings

00:19:23.840 happening yeah that's amazing now i want to get into several other things here but just a little

00:19:30.880 back story see people think that there was already this large population of people when europeans arrived

00:19:37.760 into what is now known as south africa but of course that's not true there was there was nothing right

00:19:42.560 there was nothing there until europeans built a civilization and then you saw a influx of

00:19:48.480 africans from all over the place coming down into south africa right of course they they were people

00:19:54.320 here they they were called bushman um they have they are not they are not uh black in the sense or in

00:20:02.240 the racial sense they are they are completely different race um they are the aboriginal south africans

00:20:09.840 but they are very very scarce in today's day and age they there's probably not more than a thousand of

00:20:17.680 them left but uh they were not killed by the white settlers coming in they were mostly killed by by the black

00:20:24.240 tribes coming in yeah um it's not after white people started building a civilization here that black

00:20:30.480 people started coming into south africa they were basically at the at about the same time that the the

00:20:37.120 dutch settlers get got to cape town they were also starting to settle in south africa but obviously

00:20:43.440 their numbers were extremely low they they were they were less than a million of them just a hundred

00:20:50.400 years ago just less than a million black people just a hundred years ago if you look at the census in

00:20:55.680 south africa at the union of south africa in in 1912 they recorded at the census about a million black

00:21:04.000 people now there's about 50 million black people in south africa today so it increased 50 fold over

00:21:12.000 a period of about a hundred years and uh some of that's just from people having a lot lots and lots

00:21:19.040 of kids but most of it's from immigration from all over all over africa yeah um because as when south

00:21:28.880 african civilization was built it's a very young civilization actually um i would say only from

00:21:36.480 from the 30s and the 40s onwards people actually started building a modern western country in south

00:21:43.280 africa um so the actual civilization if you want to call it that in south africa which is just not

00:21:51.360 which which is not just a a settlement i would say is less than 100 years old but since then

00:21:58.240 black people have moved on mass to the the cities that were were built by africaners and to to south

00:22:05.680 africa in general yeah and what they built was uh beautiful i was just recalling i was just trying

00:22:10.880 to pull it up i was in sun city the water park have you ever been there uh which which water it's uh

00:22:18.000 called sun city it's in south africa oh yeah yeah sun cities basically was basically called it

00:22:24.560 it was just a casino that was built the jewish guy that's that's interesting that's actually a

00:22:32.400 very interesting story uh gambling it was illegal in south africa under the very conservative national

00:22:39.200 party so sun city was not actually built in south africa it was built just just on the other side

00:22:45.920 of the border of the border of south africa where it was like a um what's a taste land in english like

00:22:52.320 a homeland they they had these these homelands for black people uh which was self-governed by these by

00:22:59.200 these black tribes so sun city the casino was built just on the other side of the border so white people

00:23:06.640 from south africa can cross the border into the black homeland and go gambling and then they can

00:23:12.880 leave again after they're done gambling yeah so that's that's how sun city came about okay i remember

00:23:20.480 going down the water slides it had kind of like a egyptian theme if i remember correctly oh i'll have

00:23:25.600 to look again uh no speaking of earlier we were talking about uh essentially segregation right um 90

00:23:34.560 of south africa already appears to be segregated now is this something that the even the black population

00:23:40.800 the majority of the white population like they're okay with you know voluntary segregation or what

00:23:46.320 are their thoughts on apartheid today i mean would it ever go back to that i mean what's the general

00:23:52.240 consensus uh not thinking about malemma's people i think uh anyone who's white you would say that

00:24:01.200 they are against voluntary segregation is lying um i think uh even those far-left journalists are just

00:24:08.560 too happy to live in areas 100 white and they would never go live in a black area but i don't

00:24:15.200 think black people are very happy about it because the black areas or the the squatter camps are

00:24:22.320 on the one hand it's just it's just a terrible place to live it's it's ugly it stinks there's trash

00:24:28.320 everywhere there's not proper infrastructure and on the other hand the crime within these townships are

00:24:34.720 uh just terrible they they people in the townships are killing each other at a at a very high rate

00:24:43.840 and they are raping each other and it's almost impossible just to live a normal life within those

00:24:51.360 areas so of course then people who live in these squatter camps wants to live in the white areas they

00:24:56.640 look at the white areas and they feel envious of of the white people living there but uh if i if i were

00:25:05.600 to ever have a conversation with them and give them any sort of advice i would tell them why don't you

00:25:12.800 just why don't you just fix your own areas why do you need to come to the white areas if you can just

00:25:18.560 stand together and and fix suetu or whatever area and get rid of the criminal element and start just

00:25:26.800 having a pride in the area that you're living clean it up don't let the trash lie in the in the streets

00:25:31.920 or the sewage or whatever and just fix it that's what we did in our area so why do you need to come

00:25:38.080 to our areas if you can just do what we did and fix yours yeah it's the same story everywhere you know

00:25:45.440 when you get large populations of africans anywhere in the west it always ends up like that and they have

00:25:50.880 a hard time organizing getting their stuff together building something that's that's functioning and

00:25:57.200 then we just get blamed for it right and then they have to create these insane policies and these

00:26:02.560 theories like critical race theory and all these other uh mythical lies to try and explain the

00:26:09.840 differences instead of just saying we're different and that's okay i mean when i was in africa i remember

00:26:15.680 being the first white person that some people saw like going deep into the bush and they did better

00:26:19.840 living in the bush like in their their african ways they did right it's like coming into the city and

00:26:26.800 then you have soweto and the ghettos and then it just like it just it's bad you know it's yeah it looks

00:26:33.280 really bad no it's it's quite interesting now that you talk about critical race theory when i went to

00:26:39.520 law school we had to we had to basically do a subject called social social dimensions of justice which was

00:26:48.080 basically just critical race theory and how black people are basically owed everything and then um we

00:26:54.640 had another subject called philosophy and then when i saw philosophy i thought oh we're gonna do like

00:27:00.800 probably like the apology of of uh socrates or something like that which would be something

00:27:07.120 that's relevant to a law degree but then all we did was what they called african philosophy and i

00:27:13.600 quickly realized that there were no such a thing as african philosophy african philosophy is just

00:27:19.200 marxism that was painted black yeah it's just like normal marxist theory and then they

00:27:24.960 sort of give it like a a little bit of an african tent but then you get people like the eff which

00:27:32.880 they are probably the most learned party in parliament they well except for the free freedom

00:27:38.800 front plus the eff is the party with the most uh college degrees and especially phds of any of the

00:27:46.320 parties in the south african uh government but then uh if you look at what they teach those those

00:27:53.120 individuals it's just these african philosophies that i that i discuss right now it's it's just

00:27:59.200 basic marxism but they that but they tell them that all of these ideas were were black ideas or

00:28:06.160 african ideas or or that it was invented by black people but no it wasn't it was invented by the

00:28:13.200 frankfurt school and now you just make it yes exactly some african guy that came up with these ideas yes

00:28:20.240 yes now do you think it would be somewhat better if marxism didn't poison their minds and all this

00:28:26.240 crazy anti-white philosophy if it wasn't put in their heads because i don't think they would have

00:28:30.160 thought of those things on their own i mean there's always going to be racial differences

00:28:33.840 if you see that all throughout the world and different cultures and societies and civilizations

00:28:38.720 we're just different it's fine to say that but do you think that it would be a little better

00:28:43.360 in south africa without all the communist marxist anti-white education education or indoctrination i

00:28:50.880 should probably not i mean there would always be conflict between different ethnicities living in

00:28:56.880 the same confined space they would just find some other reason to be to be uh antagonistic towards

00:29:04.800 towards the other the other ethnicities so that's just something that's inevitable if you have a

00:29:11.360 multicultural yes uh society it doesn't it doesn't matter what you teach the people there will

00:29:17.120 always be animosity between groups it's going to arise now i wanted to pull out an interesting tweet

00:29:22.400 by malema this was back in 2010 where he was talking about jewish supporters so anti-semitism is hatred

00:29:29.360 prejudice or hostility towards jews some of our biggest financial donors are jewish and we love them

00:29:35.120 and people are saying well what do you mean why are they such big supporters why would jewish donors

00:29:40.480 support your quest to uh kill the boar and slaughter the white people what did you make of this when

00:29:45.280 you saw this because i know there has been a lot of you know jewish marxist influence in south africa

00:29:52.560 and you know during the fall of apartheid well um firstly it's impossible to know who the eff's donors are

00:30:01.520 um in south africa it's actually illegal to donate to a party a substantial amount of money

00:30:08.320 uh without declaring the donation uh without declaring the donation but then the eff just

00:30:13.840 said to all their donors they shouldn't donate more than a hundred thousand rands which is like five

00:30:19.120 thousand dollars uh in in one go so they don't need to declare it the party doesn't need to declare

00:30:26.240 it so nobody knows who actually donates to the eff but a lot of uh criminals are actually openly supporting

00:30:33.840 the eff like uh all these different it's not not just you know jewish mobs but even like uh lebanese

00:30:41.680 mobs and bulgarian mobs and basically all the different mobsters in johannesburg which is

00:30:47.120 basically a gangster's paradise i mean we've got we've got we've got mafias from probably in any

00:30:52.720 country in the world in johannesburg because it's such a such a good incubator for these for these gangs

00:30:58.800 but anyway so a lot of these gangs are actually supporting the eff um but to be to be honest with

00:31:05.440 you i i don't know who malema is referring to i can't i can't name any individuals that malema is

00:31:12.240 referring to in that tweet i don't uh i don't know a specific jewish billionaire or or or or anyone that

00:31:21.600 actually donates to them or openly supports them whereas the anc on the other hand i mean they had a lot

00:31:28.400 of them they the the the entire history of the anc is joe slobo right he comes to mind i mean if you

00:31:34.880 look at the ravonia trials there were more jews that were prosecuted than there were black people

00:31:42.480 do you know what the ravonia trials were no i don't tell us it was uh very early into when the

00:31:48.960 anc started with their terror campaigns they basically arrested the entire um the entire leadership

00:31:56.800 structure of the anc and they prosecuted all of them i mean mandela was one of the people who were

00:32:02.640 prosecuted during those trials and that's why he and a lot of other people were jailed for for so many

00:32:08.720 years but if you i don't know if you can pull up the trials you can you can look at the names there

00:32:13.760 and then you can see who the with the leadership of of the anc was in those days yeah then you can see

00:32:20.080 it now oh wow okay so the trial 1963 you look at that now what is their interest why why metal in

00:32:30.960 south africa is it is it about the resources is communist communism the best way for them to

00:32:37.280 get their foot in there and cause a people and then they could go get diamonds like what is the

00:32:41.120 problem here why no i honestly don't know how to answer the question i don't know if you even know

00:32:47.040 how to answer the question your guess is as good as mine why why they do these things there are a lot

00:32:53.280 there are a lot of theories as to as to why but none of them give conclusive evidence as to why they

00:33:00.240 do it just a destruction destruction of the uh you know african or the the goi you know the non-jews

00:33:07.600 that are there i mean is there a large jewish population that's there today i mean it sounds like

00:33:12.240 there is no no no not at all it's actually quite interesting in every small town in south africa

00:33:19.760 there used to be like a synagogue and right next to the synagogue you had your your like your freemasons

00:33:25.280 lodge yes yes and now if you go to any small town like the the freemasons lodge is probably

00:33:32.880 uh bought out by someone else and turned into something else and the synagogue is just basically

00:33:40.080 falling apart like jewish people as a group mostly left south africa in the last 20 years

00:33:49.200 yeah but they still control the diamond business right and so they're getting most of those diamonds

00:33:53.440 from africa correct well there's this company called the beers which is the biggest diamond company in

00:34:01.520 the world it's it's owned by a guy called nikki oppenheimer and his and his father was harry oppenheimer

00:34:07.600 and they they were uh mining diamonds in south africa since diamonds were basically discovered here

00:34:15.440 but uh in 2003 the diamond prices just took a massive dip and it hasn't it hasn't uh um increased at

00:34:25.200 all since uh so diamonds diamonds are not very good business anymore at all uh so

00:34:31.040 most of the old the beers diamond mines in south africa are just not operational anymore

00:34:38.800 but the beers are still mining a lot of diamonds in in places like canada and russia and those areas

00:34:46.640 but they don't really mine in south africa anymore because but mostly because of the political climate

00:34:52.880 because the political climate makes it not profitable to to even operate those mines anymore

00:35:00.560 because once you start mining here you need to deal with all the unions and the strikes and people

00:35:06.320 attacking the mine and people who feel entitled to the profits of the mine or the fictional profits of

00:35:14.160 the mine they don't even know what profits they make but they feel that these profits need to be

00:35:19.200 shared with basically the black people because the land should belong to the black people and i i can

00:35:25.600 repeat all of the rhetoric but i think you get the drift yes because of uh because of this this

00:35:32.160 political instability most of the almost all of the beers' minds in south africa are just

00:35:39.120 not operational anymore well that's a good thing i'd like to hear that now i did want to ask the anc the

00:35:47.040 eff you know they have this opposition to apartheid but then they also want separatism it's it's they

00:35:54.640 want something unlike anything white people ever did right they actually truly want to oppress white

00:36:00.880 people to me looking on the outside it seems like they want to have them around so that they serve them

00:36:06.320 and help things uh function while they still hate them and treat them like a second-class citizen

00:36:12.720 i mean three decades right and uh of anc rule has destroyed south africa i'm surprised it took that

00:36:18.400 long obviously they must have had some help to uphold it but what do they really want like what is

00:36:23.360 going to make them happy i mean do they really want to advocate for the the g word here genocide

00:36:30.480 or not really because they know they wouldn't be able to you know get some of the things that they have

00:36:35.120 right now i honestly i honestly don't know what they think they they will be able to achieve with

00:36:42.720 their rhetoric and with whatever they are telling their supporters that they want to do because i mean

00:36:50.160 if they if they kill all the white people in south africa and they take all the resources and all the

00:36:55.760 money and all the land and everything from the white people that live here what they most of the black

00:37:02.800 people basically all of the black people will still be poor um i mean they are like they are 10 black

00:37:09.440 people for every white person in south africa and not all white people in south africa are rich so if

00:37:15.680 you take the take all of this money that white people have and do you distribute it people everyone

00:37:23.200 will still be poor so yeah because i do every now and then i see a video that comes out where there's

00:37:30.560 uh you know a black person in south africa is like no we need white people around you know

00:37:36.080 like be nice to them because you know blacks can't build anything they'll destroy everything

00:37:40.640 i mean how many blacks think like they want the tax money yeah yeah they don't want the the people to

00:37:46.880 leave because they sorry the taxes leave with them yeah exactly and the medical help and all that and

00:37:53.360 they already well africa i don't south africa doesn't get the aid but it's amazing how much aid europeans

00:37:59.600 even little countries like sweden give to africa it's just it's outrageous um yeah no it is especially

00:38:06.640 like uh more african countries than south africa if you go higher up into yes oh yes exactly yeah

00:38:13.920 now we were showing some footage of nelson mandela he's like your mlk or i could even say george floyd now

00:38:20.480 saint george floyd uh now nelson mandela you know everyone up here thinks he's just this peaceful

00:38:27.440 guy and he was fighting racism and white supremacy and oppression of blacks a mass murder of blacks

00:38:33.760 now what can you say about him the the cold hard truth about who this guy really was

00:38:39.600 well uh a really funny thing about nelson mandela is that he's not liked by by your eff types or or even

00:38:46.960 by most black people in south africa most of them see him as a traitor so they see him as a traitor to

00:38:54.240 their race because he didn't he didn't do what he said he was going to do obviously you had this very

00:39:01.200 radical rhetoric that the nc had that they were going to basically destroy the entire africano

00:39:09.520 empire and they are going to give everything to black people and whatever and then he didn't do it

00:39:16.000 so most black people then saw him as a as a traitor because of that but uh yeah he was basically just uh

00:39:23.840 he wasn't even one of the higher ups in the anc which is which is quite interesting he he was not

00:39:29.680 and he was also not the the the most popular amongst the black populace in south africa before 1994

00:39:37.440 but he was basically just a figure that the the western countries especially america

00:39:43.120 wanted to be president of south africa so so they installed him as the president

00:39:48.240 um i would say the end of apartheid was brought in south africa 95 by by america it wasn't because

00:39:57.440 of the anc or anything like that it wasn't because of the terror attacks that the anc had uh conducted

00:40:03.840 in south africa i mean if uh it was still handled by the government the reason why why uh the anc took

00:40:12.480 over south africa is almost exclusively because of america great huh such a great country and just

00:40:21.120 uh metal and make things better don't we well it's not us it's a small uh faction within our government

00:40:27.440 that's doing all these things but like you said earlier south africa is often used in our circles as

00:40:33.520 as an example of what not to do uh things that people are attempting to do in the west certain policies

00:40:39.840 now we don't just have you know africans here like you guys have but we have a variety of

00:40:44.720 all kinds of people now from all over the world and essentially the idea is white people bad every

00:40:49.600 other uh non-european group is good so implement programs to hold back white people because they

00:40:55.840 stole everything now you have a detailed thread and you get into a lot but maybe you can kind of

00:41:02.720 tell how critical race theory in action looks like when it's put into government policy what are some

00:41:08.560 things in south africa a couple examples that you can give what crt looks like in action they're

00:41:13.920 attempting to do those things they are doing these things in america but like how deep does it go there

00:41:20.640 well the the first and most important thing that happens is you get rid completely of any form of

00:41:28.080 meritocracy and nobody in any position is there because of any form of merit anymore and

00:41:35.120 um it's not like it's helping anyone like for example you have black economic empowerment in

00:41:41.120 south africa which makes it almost impossible for a white owned company to operate without having

00:41:47.440 a uh a black partner and they can't get state contracts if if you're not a black owned company

00:41:53.440 and so on and so forth but it basically just ends up creating nepotism it's not helping black people

00:41:59.840 it's just helping the anc and their friends and their family to become very rich a very tiny small

00:42:05.600 group of of black people um get very very rich off of it but there's no merit to anything so for

00:42:13.440 example if they tender for a contract to build a road they won't look at who actually has the skill

00:42:19.840 or the knowledge or even the the capacity to build that road they would just give it to the person that

00:42:25.120 they like the most or to their family or whatever and what happens um the road does not get built uh

00:42:32.080 or or or the the person that got the contract just pockets the money and never does any work for the

00:42:38.320 money but then he's never prosecuted for it and uh so you just get the the the basic downfall of society

00:42:46.880 everything that was here that was uh working that was functional slowly gets deteriorated until it's

00:42:55.840 at a point where it just doesn't it doesn't operate anymore it doesn't even exist anymore and i think in

00:43:03.680 in any country where the same political uh ideas are actually put into policy the same thing will happen

00:43:12.160 you you will get rid of any form of merit-based system and you'll get a bunch of idiots incompetent

00:43:18.800 people in charge who destroy and do steal and uh basically loot the entire country and the entire

00:43:25.760 system with it now i'm curious how it's going to play out with south africa as an example because like

00:43:31.600 you said you what you see happening in america right now is like south africa what 60s or or 70s so

00:43:37.760 how is this going to play out how is it going to resolve itself you know demographics are a little

00:43:45.040 different there you're much more outnumbered in america well it's still 50 50 you know european

00:43:51.760 americans are still the majority right even in europe we're still the majority of course but

00:43:57.920 we're not doing much to fight back yeah we're not doing much to fight back against that mass immigration

00:44:02.400 is happening and then these white people bad philosophies are you know being put into into

00:44:06.720 their heads so they want blood you know they want to implement these kinds of crt policies

00:44:12.000 into government they already are so how does this play out i want to see what happens in south africa

00:44:17.520 what we can learn from it we can pretty much predict how does it end and how do we fix it

00:44:23.040 i mean do africaners what do i predict will happen in the future yeah i mean you're closer to that brink you

00:44:30.000 know so you mean when when when we hit rock bottom and there's no nowhere lower to go uh and we start

00:44:39.120 actually going upwards what will happen at that point yeah i mean do you think it's ever going to be

00:44:45.040 that you know white people in south africa are like okay this doesn't work we we have to just do

00:44:50.320 our own thing i know there's irania there's people that are talking about doing that i mean what are your

00:44:55.040 thoughts on how this plays out i think uh it goes back to to to small communities standing together

00:45:05.040 and protecting each other and to have a very high trust very uh close net small community that self

00:45:15.200 governs basically i think um if a state like south africa completely fails and we we're very close to a

00:45:22.560 a failed state but if it completely fails the only way that things are going to go forward is you'll

00:45:29.680 have sort of little islands of africana communities within a sea of of black people and then these

00:45:39.040 small islands of africana people will have to protect each other and protect themselves and look

00:45:45.600 after themselves but they i don't think they'll be a large bureaucratic status government anymore or

00:45:54.320 they might be one but it won't have the power to actually control the populace so you'll probably see

00:46:02.640 let's say a more primitive form of governance and that's the only way that it will go back to yeah

00:46:09.760 now how do you respond to people saying well just get out of there you know it's bad the

00:46:15.360 the violence is bad it's escalating it's it's on the brink of you know potential genocide just leave

00:46:22.160 now i know a lot of africaners that are attached to the land and they feel like well where can i go

00:46:26.480 it's also bad in a lot of like the netherlands oh my god it's also bad there but like i know a

00:46:32.480 couple africaners who have tried to apply to get back in the netherlands they're more dutch than a

00:46:36.800 lot of the people that are in there today that have come in through mass immigration they're denied

00:46:41.600 because technically south africa isn't is still a safe country right so they can't get refugee status

00:46:47.360 they can't afford to leave it's harder some go to australia and new zealand but some people

00:46:52.080 they just don't have that option so what do you say to people that are looking from our side of

00:46:57.040 things i hear americans say all the time just get out just leave you're surrounded right well there's

00:47:03.520 there are hundreds of thousand people of people who already left and i obviously don't blame them if they

00:47:09.200 they want to leave they may leave for me um i've been to to quite a few different countries overseas

00:47:16.960 and i and i don't i don't particularly like it there i think in the first place uh staying amongst your

00:47:24.880 own people is probably the best thing that you can do because it's just um you'll never feel at home

00:47:31.760 unless you are with your with your own with your own people that's right it's the people it's the people

00:47:36.800 yeah it's it's the people basically and then on the other hand i mean it's it's just

00:47:45.120 i think it'll be it'll be quite boring to move to america for someone like me this there's just so much

00:47:51.360 it won't be that much different honestly willem it won't be especially if you go to like chicago or

00:47:56.080 something maybe south africa is even better at least you can be kind of segregated the country where

00:48:02.800 where i would say a young man can still have sort of a hero's journey if you if you get catch my

00:48:09.040 drift if you get what i'm saying yeah just a nine to five sort of job that you do and then you don't

00:48:14.720 have enough money to pay your rent type of thing everything's very cheap here um still most people

00:48:22.240 very very comfortably yeah if you're just sort of competent but uh there's there's just it's uh

00:48:29.440 uh yeah it's a it's a land of adventure for me still i mean there's there's a lot to to achieve

00:48:35.920 here and a lot to do here and and uh a lot of factors that you can that you can employ in your

00:48:44.560 journey to leave your mark on this earth which would probably not be possible in a country like

00:48:49.520 america in america the only thing that you can do is make money basically yeah yeah well we have a

00:48:55.360 different kind of hero's journey here going on now fighting the big oppressive system you know

00:49:01.360 there's still a lot of good white folks here so i'm looking forward to seeing them more and more

00:49:06.160 wake up and like organize and start thinking about their future and their interests and what kind of

00:49:10.960 world their kids are going to live in right so even you as a white guy in south africa feel like

00:49:16.960 you can have a future like there's things that you can still do you're not like totally iced out

00:49:22.240 and totally threatened and and feel unsafe yes no no definitely no i i uh i am having a a good life

00:49:33.440 here and i'm i'm happier so i've actually had the opportunity to go work in the netherlands and i was

00:49:39.920 offered a job there and i was even offered a job in in canada as well but i turned both of them down so

00:49:45.520 i i like it yeah you like the warmth too i'm sure let's face it yeah yeah i mean when i was in cape

00:49:54.320 town i felt like somewhere in southern california i was like surfers and skateboarders and i was like

00:49:58.480 this is nice here it's pretty and it wasn't crowded and we saw animals it was pretty cool

00:50:06.400 now i want to ask you about irania there was a tweet here south africa's on the brink of full

00:50:11.440 out race war i strongly encourage every africaner to go to irania now we are too few and too widely

00:50:16.320 distributed to make a proper defense they want to kill us all they have made that perfectly clear we

00:50:20.640 do not have an army move now now irania is basically they're trying to become a fully independent

00:50:26.960 africaner country some say but look at what happened with rhodesia you know you're surrounded

00:50:32.080 demographics it doesn't matter i don't know what are your thoughts on irania and what's their

00:50:36.720 building and doing well of course i support what they are doing i'm probably not going to live there

00:50:43.840 myself i mean as i told you it's it's literally in the middle of the desert um it's not a very nice

00:50:54.320 area or environment looks hard hard environment yes it's a hard environment it's it's just uh

00:51:00.480 uh and it's and it's warm and it doesn't rain and you can't have a garden there nothing like that

00:51:06.720 all of the things that i like doing it would be impossible in urania so it's it's it's definitely

00:51:11.840 the lowest quality land that you can possibly go to in south africa i would rather just stay in up

00:51:18.960 up with high quality land is and uh basically fight for what is mine but they did it i think because

00:51:26.000 then it's not as attractive to uh all these other people they don't want there yeah maybe i don't

00:51:34.080 know now what do you know about the the founding of the legal process like they had to how did they

00:51:39.600 go about that like okay this land we've bought now we're our own we want to be recognized as our own

00:51:45.600 country i mean this is this is a good model to follow because i think this is something that might

00:51:50.640 happen in uh you know european places in the future we might have to have enclaves like this

00:51:55.840 right claim land just to uh preserve ourselves right and protect ourselves like you were saying

00:52:01.520 earlier smaller communities what do you know about the the legal process of doing such a thing well they

00:52:07.760 firstly they are definitely not sovereign they are still part of south africa people living there

00:52:13.120 still pay taxes to the south african government ah dang if if they were actually sovereign

00:52:20.640 and uh you if you move there and you and if you became a citizen you didn't have to pay taxes to

00:52:27.120 the south african government i would have definitely moved there but that's unfortunately not the case

00:52:33.280 um i think they market themselves as more than they actually are um they are not a folk start or a

00:52:41.600 people state they're basically just a an only a a white only town that's that's all that it is and i don't

00:52:48.720 want to be insulting to them in any way but uh be realistic it's just a a small town in the middle of

00:52:55.040 the desert where where only white people are allowed to live but in every other sense they are still

00:53:00.240 part of south africa okay i know that there's some folks in america that are like sounds like paradise to

00:53:05.360 me let me go no yeah well it's very nice they'll take the desert just to be around a bunch of like

00:53:13.440 good normal white people you know it's very nice they should you should visit it sometime if you

00:53:19.200 enjoy it quite a lot i think yeah anything else you want to tell us about the situation in south africa

00:53:25.200 anything you think like the record needs to be corrected or anything that you want to impart

00:53:31.120 to people listening well um i think uh the entire world is put on the on the exact same trajectory

00:53:42.080 where we need to realize that people are being subverted into this universalist liberal uh idea

00:53:52.160 where where where you you can't have a sense of community and you can't have a sense of nationalism

00:53:59.360 or uh you you need to be an island as an individual the only thing that matters is the individual

00:54:06.320 but um once we start realizing as a whole throughout the world that probably the greatest gift to uh to

00:54:14.160 mankind is on this earth to live and be part of a community i think um the the entire zeitgeist will

00:54:23.440 change in a manner where every country will be able to have more freedom and more more uh chances of

00:54:31.520 self-governing and uh in south africa i think it's quite achievable for us to do that if we don't have

00:54:38.640 america we will basically bomb us if we try that but the moment in the moment that i think the west will

00:54:45.760 leave us alone to do our own thing i think naturally we'll have this uh sort of self-governing self

00:54:53.600 segregation in south africa and uh we are not we are not afraid of the eff or the anc or malema or any

00:55:00.320 of those people um there's no way that if they start a war in this country or they try to commit a

00:55:06.800 genocide or whatever that they'll ever be um actually successful with it so i'm not worried

00:55:14.400 about that at all so i think the only reason why we are in the situation that we are in right now is

00:55:19.600 because america supports the nc basically yep typical you know are we supporting the communists

00:55:27.360 that's what they do right so frustrating well it'll be good to keep an eye on south africa and see how

00:55:33.920 things develop and also see you see you guys as like trendsetters so that other folks you know

00:55:40.000 other europeans across the globe say well they did it we can do it too right it always takes the

00:55:46.160 trendsetter the spear pushing through so that is a hero's journey because otherwise times can get

00:55:51.600 dark and rough and and ugly like i see happening in america like what has happened through the decades of

00:55:59.120 mass immigration and basically importing the garbage of the world even other countries admit

00:56:04.480 that like thank you america for taking all our trash thank you sweden you know thank you eu you

00:56:09.600 took all our trash we're doing better now you know so we can't let that happen and i think eventually

00:56:15.920 there is a breaking point and in that breaking point uh we can start to organize and do some

00:56:21.760 interesting thing exactly it is a hero's journey and i guess this is a journey that we all have to go on to

00:56:27.360 go through the fire and refine ourselves as a people and individually and this is where we're at

00:56:34.320 now everyone could follow you willem on twitter telegram youtube telegram is great isn't it we're

00:56:41.280 on telegram too it's it's uh we're all the cool kids very active on there no yeah she got to jump on

00:56:47.280 there more it's good i like it no i'm more i'm more my i think my biggest platform is probably facebook

00:56:54.400 because that's just the platform that most boomer book yes honor people on yeah we got banned on i

00:57:01.360 think it was like one of the first ones we got banned on and youtube i'm surprised you're still

00:57:04.800 on youtube but um i guess you really have to edit yourself yeah because even talking about these things

00:57:10.960 uh even defending against farm murders they call you all these horrible names right isn't that outrageous

00:57:18.080 like i'm against the murder of these farmers oh you white supremacists it's amazing yeah no um you

00:57:26.080 you won't get banned from a place like facebook if you mostly speak afrikaans on the oh good yeah exactly

00:57:33.200 like i mean i mean the average boomer on facebook says things that are way worse than anything that you

00:57:41.440 ever said on your show about topics that we all know are completely not allowed to be talked about

00:57:49.520 in any sense on social media and they get away with it because they speak up the cards yeah yeah

00:57:56.000 yep yeah lived experience well folks willem he's not hard to find neither are we so you need to spread

00:58:02.720 the word share the interview let others know we are in an information war but we have the information

00:58:09.120 that will help us win we just need to get it out there so be the army spread this discussion

00:58:14.320 all of them and we'll see you on the next one

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Radio 3Fourteen - August 17, 2023

Willem Petzer - South Africa： Critical Race Theory Put Into Action

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