In his new book, Willing Accomplices, former CIA operative Kent Clisby details how KGB covert influence agents in American education, academia, Hollywood, and the media inserted anti-American messages that became political correctness.
00:00:14.000This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:00:44.000Hello, this is Lana, and I extend a very warm welcome to you.
00:00:48.900Joining me is Kent Clisby, who has many stories to tell as a former CIA operations officer.
00:00:53.860We'll focus on his book, Willing Accomplices, How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America.
00:01:02.380Kent will discuss how KGB covert influence agents in American education and academia, Hollywood, and the media inserted the anti-American messages that became political correctness.
00:01:12.860Now, I know all of you sincere truth-seekers are not suckers for this political correct garbage, but unfortunately, many useful idiots have fallen victim to the false promises of the PC progressives creed.
00:01:24.560Don't go anywhere, because we'll be discussing many subtopics that fit under the category of the PC progressive agenda.
00:01:31.080Kent, welcome, and thanks for being here.
00:01:33.800Great to be here today, Lana. Thanks for having me.
00:01:36.240Well, before we dive into the world of KGB and political correctness, please tell us about your background and how that led up to writing Willing Accomplices.
00:01:44.080Well, I sort of have an eclectic background, but what really gives me the expertise and the ability to look at this issue the way I did was my experience in the intelligence community.
00:02:02.940I started out as a translator in the military.
00:02:09.300I was a linguist. I was a Vietnamese linguist.
00:02:13.100And that was back in the 80s during the Cold War.
00:02:16.980And that was the first time I ever really thought about the Russians or communism at all.
00:02:24.880I sat in the Philippines and listened to the Vietnamese communists who, the Russians at the time, had a base in our old Cam'ron Bay.
00:02:37.340So that was my first exposure to communism and that sort of thing.
00:02:44.320But I only looked at it at a very superficial level at the time.
00:02:48.780I was interested in counting Russian aircrafts taking off from Vietnam at a very – it wasn't at the idealistic or philosophical level.
00:03:05.180But that was my first introduction to that kind of thing.
00:03:08.420Later on, after I got out of the military, I got into teaching English as a second language.
00:03:16.020And I traveled around the world, taught in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.
00:03:24.160And that is the other part of my background, which really comes together in Willing Accomplices.
00:03:33.320The two pieces of Willing Accomplices are the looking at things from the intelligence perspective.
00:03:39.960And the other is understanding American culture.
00:03:44.260And it's really important that Americans understand that our culture is unique in the world and that it's special and it's the most – the best country, the best culture, everything combined that's ever existed in the history of the world.
00:04:01.340And I learned that by living and working in other places around the world.
00:04:06.940So I later came back to the States and worked for the CIA.
00:04:11.200I was a case officer, an espionage officer.
00:04:15.440And the job that I did as a case officer was to spot, assess, and recruit foreigners to provide intelligence to the United States.
00:04:26.040So that was my introduction to human intelligence and all of the different specialties within human, as we call it.
00:04:38.660One of those specialties within human is an area called covert influence.
00:05:29.920And as I raised my kids, how American culture had totally changed from the time I was a kid really struck me.
00:05:44.140Yeah, it's – you know, just within the course of 20 years, as my kids were going through school, I was able – I saw things through their eyes.
00:05:55.040And I saw how much the culture had changed.
00:05:59.260So by now, I – this was probably the early 2000s, say 1999 to 2000, as my kids were growing up.
00:06:37.640And it really struck me that at that time, I would be overseas working with foreigners against our joint counterterrorism targets.
00:06:50.280And many of these foreigners are Muslims.
00:06:53.400Many of them are Arabs or Asians or other ethnicities.
00:06:58.600But they all really admired America, and they loved the idea of America.
00:07:06.780And yet, when I would return back to Dulles Airport right outside D.C., get a Washington Post on the cab ride back home, and the headlines were as if – they struck me as if a Russian, a communist who hated our country, wrote the headline.
00:07:28.120This was during the Bush administration.
00:07:29.120The media was constantly attacking normal Americans.
00:07:36.120They were attacking everything that Bush did as we're in the middle of a war against terrorists.
00:07:42.120The more that I traveled in and out of the country and saw this dichotomy between what we were doing overseas to help others and work together and how America was admired by foreigners, and yet there was a huge faction within our country that despised normal Americans.
00:08:10.120So, with all of these things came together, my espionage background, my understanding of covert influence, my immersion in sort of a cultural critique of American culture, all came together as I formulated the question of how could our country commit cultural suicide?
00:08:35.700Because, in effect, that's what we were doing.
00:08:40.400I posit now that – and you see the subtitle of Will and Accomplices is how the covert influence operations destroyed – that's past tense – destroyed America.
00:08:53.900So, that was sort of a long answer to your question, but there's a lot of facets that all came together to give me a unique opportunity to begin the project, the research project that resulted in writing Will and Accomplices.
00:09:10.040Now, in your research, where would you say political correctness has its origin point?
00:09:14.140I know a lot of people talk about the Frankfurt School, which is a big X that marks a spot in history, but what do you say?
00:09:21.160Well, that's an interesting point of view, and that comes up because that's what's obvious to people.
00:09:28.700People are looking at what is on the surface.
00:09:32.520A quick answer is the Frankfurt School and others like them, Saul Alinsky and others who are obvious and overt are all the descendants of the original creator of the message that is political correctness.
00:10:03.300He was a German communist who was a member of the Comintern, a close friend of Vladimir Lenin, and it was his operation that – he was the – he's really a genius, I mean, an evil genius, but a genius of covert influence operations.
00:10:22.600And he conceived of the payload, the message that was inserted into our culture by his agents and that became political correctness.
00:10:35.780So the key is to first define what is political correctness, and that's a big problem with Americans and conservatives.
00:10:45.660Many conservatives, many normal Americans, everybody knows or talks about political correctness, but very few people understand exactly what it is.
00:10:58.480And one of my goals now, now that I've done this research and this project, is to help everyone to understand exactly what political correctness is.
00:11:11.280When you define what it is, I like to start off with what it is not, and that is many of the misconceptions that conservatives and normal Americans have.
00:11:24.080When they talk about political correctness, they will say things like, PC is not wanting to offend anyone, or PC is the being careful of others' feelings, something like that.
00:17:45.780The reason we need to do this is because America is supporting these German fascists.
00:17:54.760Whatever the organization focused on, he created organizations based on racism, women's rights, imperialism, anti-imperialism, anti-capitalism, anti-business.
00:18:15.980Those were all Munzenberg fronts, Munzenberg's operations.
00:18:19.560None of them were overtly pro-communist or pro-Soviet.
00:18:25.180They were all overtly nice-sounding names.
00:18:30.440For example, have you ever heard of Sacco and Vanzetti?
00:18:45.600They were a pair of Italian anarchists who, during a robbery, shot and killed a cop in Boston.
00:18:55.780And they were caught, they were put on trial, and they were condemned.
00:19:00.200During their appeals, Munzenberg took up their case, and it was his first covert influence operation in the United States.
00:19:12.620He created several front organizations, mostly based out of New York City, and he targeted the entertainment industry and journalists and academics.
00:19:26.140And so he created things like Broadway for Sacco and Vanzetti, journalists against racism, journalists against xenophobia, journalists in support of foreign residents, something like that.
00:19:45.140So he spun this story of two anarchists who murdered a cop into America is a racist, xenophobic, foreigner-hating country.
00:19:56.800And if you join these groups to support Sacco and Vanzetti, you are a caring, caring, beautiful, kind-hearted person, as opposed to all those racist haters out there in the rest of the country.
00:20:16.120Those normal Americans, they're all racist haters.
00:21:34.440It didn't come from the Frankfurt School or a bunch of bloviating intellectuals who are overtly talking about communism, socialism, that kind of thing.
00:21:44.560But they really influenced the universities and started programming all the people in America, though, that's for sure, when they made their way over to New York.
00:21:56.000Munzenberg had, in willing accomplices, you'll see, I did three case studies, one in the media, one in academia slash education, and one in Hollywood.
00:22:10.620Those are the three areas that Munzenberg targeted.
00:22:13.720I call them the transmission belts of culture.
00:22:17.140If you can insert the anti-American message into those transmission belts of culture, Munzenberg's thinking was, if you can get in there and control the culture, then you can create the anti-normal American point of view that he was trying to create.
00:23:01.540They were hangers-on onto the over-common-turned-propaganda sort of network.
00:23:11.400Munzenberg was in Columbia University long before they ever got there.
00:23:15.820Well, what I was saying about the case studies in my book, Will and Accomplices, is for academia and education, I look at a professor in Columbia by the name of George S. Counts.
00:23:30.160And George S. Counts was a professor at the International Institute for Education of Columbia Teachers College.
00:23:41.440He was recruited into the Munzenberg operation right away.
00:23:46.680As soon as he arrived in Columbia, he was the Russian expert for the International Institute of Education.
00:23:57.260And as soon as he went to Russia, he was recruited.
00:24:02.980And from then on, that was in about 1925 or so.
00:24:09.020From then on until World War II, he was spreading the Munzenberg message covertly.
00:24:18.200What you find is that the people who overtly talk about these things, like the Frankfurt School people, were not effective.
00:24:32.020Americans would, if you overtly talked about this message, this message of hate, you were rejected.
00:24:40.680But like the Counts, George S. Counts, his message was covert.
00:24:46.940And it was the way that Munzenberg's operation worked, is instead of talking about how bad America is, you cloak your criticisms very gently into talking about a better way of life.
00:26:23.680And it was all about central planning, the elimination of individual effort, the creation of community-wide efforts, taking away the individual initiative, taking away individual...
00:26:45.680In effect, the rugged individualism that was America, what Counts pushed was the...
00:26:57.680He never called it socialism, but in effect, it was socialism.
00:28:50.120He went by Andre Simone, was one of his aliases.
00:28:54.280When he worked against Hollywood, Katz slash Simone set up several front organizations in Hollywood.
00:29:04.440And they also, they got the media, the case study that I used to show how Mutzzenberg worked against the media is Walter Durandy, who was the New York Times man in Moscow.
00:29:21.360He was also this Stalin's apologist, right?
00:29:23.980Trying to cover up the Ukrainian famine, things like that.
00:29:28.880That's, you know, that's, that's the, the, uh, uh, official bio, I mean, his, his biographer called him Stalin's apologist, but that's not, he wasn't just Stalin's apologist.
00:29:40.400He was a covert influence agent working in Mutzzenberg's anti-American operation.
00:29:46.540So it's, uh, before willing accomplices, people didn't understand, the general public didn't understand the depth and the breadth of the covert, and, well, people don't understand covert influence operations to begin with.
00:30:02.940But, uh, people could see, yeah, Walter Durandy was Stalin's apologist, but it's, it's much worse than that.
00:30:10.020And it's much deeper and more sinister and more damaging than anything that, that people had ever realized before willing accomplices.
00:30:21.240Yeah, they took a conspiracy to a whole other level, disinfo, false flags, I mean, mind games up the wazoo.
00:30:28.580In fact, I'm glad you mentioned conspiracy, because I, I, I, I, I deal with that in willing accomplices.
00:30:35.100You know, people will say, oh, yeah, this is a conspiracy theory.
00:30:44.280It's a, it's a group of people gathering together in secret to plan an operation to carry out an objective that they don't tell anybody about.
00:30:59.080So, so that's the point that I, that the reason that my background, my expertise as, as a espionage operator, as a conspirator, if you will, everything, all of the operations that I cannot talk about that I did as a CIA officer, we're all conspiracy.
00:31:32.160Munzenberg was a conspiracy, ran a massive, multi-billion dollar conspiracy against the United States made up of many other co-conspirators, many of them who were wicking, that is, who knew what was happening.
00:31:52.400Many others, or the vast majority, were unwitting.
00:31:56.620The people who joined his front organizations, who he called innocents, they didn't know what they were getting involved in, but that doesn't matter.
00:32:04.920They were still, spread the message, and were much more powerful than the, the, the, uh, witting ones like, like Otto Katz.
00:32:17.240So if we take it back just a minute, when did he hook up with the KGB, and when did they say, hey, let's go to the U.S. and find some useful idiots to do the bidding of communism?
00:32:27.060Uh, Willie Munzenberg was the same generation as Vladimir Lenin.
00:32:33.060Vladimir Lenin was exiled from Russia, um, a couple of times, but just before the Russian Revolution, he was exiled to Switzerland.
00:32:48.880Willie Munzenberg was exiled from Germany and was, was in the same circle as Lenin, the same, uh, Marxist communist circles as Lenin.
00:32:59.800He was, uh, Lenin's, uh, Lenin, uh, the Germans allowed the, the Russian communists, uh, Lenin and his circle of advisors to travel from Switzerland to, uh, to Russia.
00:33:19.140Uh, they, they, they put them in a train in Switzerland and they sealed it as, and would not let them get out as it passed through Germany.
00:33:27.880And it, you know, they, they looked at them sort of like they were infected.
00:33:32.200They didn't want Germany to be infected, but they wanted Russia to be infected.
00:33:37.900The Germans facilitated Lenin and the, the, the communists, um, to go back into Russia.
00:33:45.020And in fact, that's, that's why that, that was, that was a, uh, a German covert influence operation that brought an end into World War I.
00:34:34.220So anyway, so that's, that's how, uh, Lennon ended up back in Russia, but the Germans helped him get there.
00:34:43.760Uh, Munzenberg accompanied Lennon to the train station to get on that train that was sealed up and said, I believe they went to Finland before they went to Russia.
00:34:56.140Well, that was, Munzenberg was not a lot, the Germans wouldn't let him on the train because he was German and they, uh, he wouldn't get on either because he knew that he was wanted in Germany.
00:35:07.960But the point is that that he was in Lennon's inner circle.
00:35:14.980Um, Lennon went back, uh, fomented the, the rebellion, started the revolution and then set up the, uh, they were, they're called the Bolsheviks.
00:35:24.780The Bolsheviks set up the communist government there.
00:35:29.180Uh, Munzenberg never went back, never went and lived in Moscow or lived in, in Russia, but he was in constant covert communication with them and overt.
00:35:41.980He became a, an overt member of the, of the common term of the communist international.
00:35:48.100He was in charge of what, what today we would call PR or, uh, or communications.
00:35:53.480But what it was, it was overt propaganda.
00:35:56.940He put out several, um, his, his cover job in, in, uh, the common term was, uh, he ran their film company and he put out several communist magazines, Russia, Russian life and things like that.
00:36:15.180Uh, that, that, that's, that was his, his, um, his job for public consumption, but what he, his covert job was running these covert influence operations.
00:36:27.140And although I only focus on the influence operations against the United States, he was also running them against all of, of the, um, all of the free world.
00:36:38.200The Western Europe, the Western Europe, all of Europe, uh, Australia, China, uh, anywhere that there was a, uh, a free people, um, Munzenberg had operate covert influence operations running there.
00:37:08.340Um, he knew all of the, the operators and there's no good documentary evidence of exactly, uh, what he did because the Russians will not release it.
00:37:22.460The KGB has opened up its archives, but that was a very controlled opening of the archives.
00:37:29.700They only let Westerners see what they wanted them to see.
00:37:34.220They have kept hidden the vast majority of their archives, including the whole, there was a section in the Comintern that is pretty clear ran the covert operations.
00:37:50.340That section has not been opened at all.
00:37:53.600So the point is that Munzenberg was working within the Comintern at the highest levels, and he was working with all of the security and intelligence operators in the early, from the beginning, the first days of the USSR until he died during World War II.
00:38:17.360How deeply do you think KGB agents infiltrated the U.S. government and possibly even the CIA later?
00:38:24.400Well, you know, if you go back to starting with Munzenberg, he was able to, well, in Munzenberg's time, he had a couple of contemporaries.
00:38:44.320And this is one of the biggest contributions to intelligence history that I made in my research was I identified one agent, one operator by the name of Alexander Gumberg.
00:38:58.380And Gumberg was very much like Munzenberg, but he started out at a much lower level.
00:39:08.860He was a Russian, native-born Russian immigrant to the United States when he was about 10 or 11.
00:39:18.020When the revolution came in 1917, Gumberg was working for a Menshevik newspaper, a communist socialist newspaper in New York City.
00:39:34.340Trotsky, Leon Trotsky, who was another one of the original group of leaders of the Bolshevik revolution, visited New York and worked at that newspaper with Gumberg.
00:39:49.700And when Trotsky went back in the summer of 1917, went back to Russia to, he was called back by Lenin to take part in the planning.
00:40:04.240Gumberg took a train from New York across Canada, a boat to Vladivostok, and then the train across Siberia to St. Petersburg.
00:40:16.100Gumberg, to take part in the revolution with Trotsky and the others, he immediately became part of the inner circle of the Bolshevik.
00:40:41.580Gumberg, what I discovered is that Gumberg recruited and ran all of the official American representatives in St. Petersburg during the revolution.
00:41:00.520It was a very, it's a very, I go into it in not great detail and willing accomplices, but I do talk about it.
00:41:07.000And in fact, I'm working on a book specifically on Gumberg right now because it's fascinating.
00:41:11.940But it turned out that the official American embassy was shut out of communications with the Bolsheviks as they seized power.
00:41:26.400They, the president, Woodrow Wilson, and the State Department communicated with the Bolsheviks through a representative of the Red Cross by the name of Raymond Robbins.
00:41:39.080And Gumberg recruited Robbins and was his, Robbins called him his translator, but he was actually his, his handler.
00:41:50.100He was, he was a, a, a, the Russian intelligence handler for Robbins.
00:41:56.280He allowed Robbins, he, he, he, he facilitated meetings with Lenin and other high-level Bolsheviks for Robbins and controlled the image and, and the, uh, what, what Robbins thought, thought that he knew.
00:42:15.540So that is, that is, that is a, that's became, Gumberg's role there became the, the template for how, uh, communists controlled American and, and European and Westerners' views of their country.
00:42:30.280They always had a, they always had a handler translator, and that handler translator is always an espionage, uh, intelligence officer.
00:42:39.380So, Gumberg, in, in that, in that period of the revolution, um, ran and handled Robbins, who was America's, uh, highest representative at the time,
00:42:52.580and, and who went on his, the rest of his life, he maintained a friendship with Gumberg and demonstrated for, uh, the United States to, to, to, to, he supported, uh, the Soviet Union for the rest of his life.
00:43:09.480So he wanted the United States to recognize the Soviet Union diplomatically, which we didn't do for about 10 or 15 years afterward.
00:43:18.480So, Gumberg not only ran Robbins, but he ran, uh, Senator Bora, uh, from Idaho, um, the whole family of La Follette's, who were early progressive movement, um, leaders from Wisconsin, um, uh, governor, shoot, I can't remember, from Indiana.
00:43:43.140Um, anybody, um, anybody, any high-level person who came to St. Petersburg and then Moscow in the first year of the revolution,
00:43:53.380Gumberg was their guide translator, and he recruited them.
00:43:57.440He came back to the United States with, um, with Robbins when Robbins came back in, in late 1918, in the spring-summer of 1918, sorry, uh, and he ended up working on Wall Street.
00:44:13.140Uh, and through the entire, first, he, he was the representative of the, uh, uh, uh, the cover organization for, for the Soviets called Amtord,
00:44:22.920which the KGB used until it was dissolved in the 50s, uh, as a cover organization.
00:44:28.560So, the point is that from the first days of the Soviet Union, they, the, the KGB and its predecessors, the Cheka, had infiltrated our government at the highest levels and controlled the message that the American public and the American officials received, uh, uh, about the Soviet Union.
00:44:53.680So, that was a long, a long answer to your question, but there's a lot more there, too.
00:45:09.600Raymond Robbins was a pitiful, emotional wreck.
00:45:14.560Uh, he, he, he was, he was a social worker that, that made good, good political connections and didn't know anything about Russia, didn't know anything about foreigners when he, he ended up with the Red Cross in, in St. Petersburg.
00:45:29.920They put up against him this ultra-sophisticated man of the world, Alexander Gumberg, who just totally manipulated him.
00:45:39.640And every other American that he came into contact with.
00:45:44.780So, they've been doing that from the very beginning, and they continued, uh, their, their worst enemy was themselves.
00:45:52.680When Stalin took power, he mistrusted anybody who was, who had contact with foreigners, and especially Americans.
00:46:02.220And he ended up calling back his KGB staff, who were in, excuse me, in the United States, and murdering them all.
00:46:18.980He defected, but they, the KGB stayed after him.
00:46:22.680He defected, as in he stopped working for them, but he, he never, um, he never was, uh, uh, was, was debriefed or no, no Western intelligence agency was ever able to get from him a, uh, a version of what he did.
00:46:41.920He was still a true believer, but he disliked what Stalin was doing.
00:46:46.020Uh, he was finally hunted down as, as the, um, as the Nazis invaded France in 40, I believe, 40 or 41.
00:46:56.860And the KGB caught up with him and he was found, his body was found hanging from a tree by a wire.
00:47:04.180Um, he, he, he had been in an internment camp when he escaped.
00:47:08.360And, uh, it, it looks like he was murdered by, by the KGB.
00:47:13.960Now, if we switch gears a little bit and look at Hollywood today, you just have to watch one TV or movie to know that it's crawling with communists.
00:47:24.160So tell us about the Jewess by the name of Dorothy Parker and what her role was.
00:47:30.180Well, Dorothy Parker was like, like I, I mentioned earlier, um, the, the soccer one Vanzetti.
00:47:37.640That was Munzenberg's first cover, uh, operation in New York.
00:47:42.120At the time, uh, Parker was a, um, was a, a writer in New York city and she joined the soccer one and Vanzetti, um, front organization.
00:47:57.160She ended up joining, being a member of dozens, if not, if not scores of Munzenberg front organization.
00:48:06.960And it's, it's, it's, my, my professional opinion is that she was, she was recruited and she knew what she was doing.
00:48:15.700Um, she's the case study that I use as a, for the penetration of Hollywood.
00:48:22.200Munzenberg and Otto Katz, via Otto Katz, set up scores of, um, of front organizations, of, uh, anti-normal American front organizations.
00:48:36.960In Hollywood, uh, many, many European refugees showed up in Hollywood and they were instrumental in, in all of these organizations.
00:48:50.400And all of them were exactly what we think of as, uh, PC today.
00:48:57.820Um, they, they were based on the idea that America is a racist, sexist, homophobic, foreigner, hating, et cetera.
00:49:06.960Every single one of them was anti-fascist or women's rights or supporting, uh, Ethiopians or something.
00:49:16.360But the message was normal America is bad.
00:49:19.920Uh, Dorothy Parker was active, vocal, public, outspoken, uh, very much sort of, sort of like, uh, Michael Moore is today.
00:49:32.880Uh, she, she pushed, we didn't call it political correctness back then, but it was, in effect, she was pushing the PC progressive line that America is really, really bad.
00:49:47.720And, uh, I, I, I uncovered her in my research and, uh, she, she deserves a book of her own, uh, for, for all of her Munzenberg activities.
00:49:58.620But she is just, I, I just used the, these case studies as just examples.
00:50:03.520She's just one of dozens, hundreds, thousands of willing accomplices in Hollywood, uh, and education, academia, and the media who, who, uh, were exposed to and willingly imbibed this anti-normal American message and, uh, created political correctness.
00:50:26.860And, and, and, and, and many feminists revere her, uh, somehow they see her as some sort of symbol, but in effect, what she is, is a, an America, a normal America hater.
00:50:49.180And, you know, and, and, and interesting sort of aside about, you know, I got into the research, looking at these, these people, they're all really pitiful, wretched losers.
00:51:01.020Dorothy Parker was a bitter, hateful, um, she, she, uh, drunk.
00:51:09.020She was responsible for, in some way, just the death of virtually every man who ever became involved with her.
00:51:57.000And, and that's, that's exactly, uh, Dorothy Parker is a great example of that.
00:52:03.700So, yeah, she, she's a, she, um, was, was at the forefront of the penetration of Hollywood and it continued, it's, the, the, the Munson Berg payload and message was planted at that time in the twenties in Hollywood.
00:52:19.800And it took root and grew and spread until today.
01:13:47.840Yeah, I mean, I would, you know, if somebody would come to me with $10 million tomorrow, I could start an operation immediately that would start using these exact same tactics.
01:14:01.160Well, that's what amazes me, because on the right side, conservatives, there's a lot of money out there.
01:14:05.920So why isn't it being channeled into the war here, into the war that's going on in our country?
01:14:11.500That's why I wrote, that's why I wrote willing accomplices, is the reason that it's not is because we don't, we, conservatives and normal Americans, do not understand what the war is.
01:14:27.040We refuse to open our eyes and deal with reality.
01:14:33.820That's why, if we, that's why if people, if conservatives, if normal Americans would grasp the message of willing accomplices and realize who our opponents are and what their belief system is, then they would be ready to, to do whatever, whatever needs to be done to counteract them.
01:14:57.260But they're not, people cannot stand, normal Americans are, the whole idea of a secret operation is just anathema to them.
01:15:12.560They want to think that, well, yeah, when you look at the last election, when Obama ran against Romney and McCain, what did Romney and McCain say about Obama?
01:15:21.960Well, we know he loves the country and he'll do a good job and we'll support him.
01:15:41.480If that's what they're saying, then, uh, you know, how, how can, how can we do anything against, they, they, they fundamentally misunderstand who our opponents are and what their belief system is.
01:15:55.540So, uh, until they do, there's nothing that can be done when they do.
01:17:37.660People my age, conservatives, still believe that America that we live in today is the same America that we grew up in.
01:17:46.040You know, they cannot, you know, reality is too difficult for them to grasp.
01:17:52.020They cannot wrap their head around the fact that normal, traditional America is gone, and we live in a PC progressive world, country, that is, it's upside down from what they thought, what they think they're living in.
01:18:11.220So they, they, they look back fondly on the Cold War days when Russia was a, was the, the hated enemy, and they were, you know, they were, they were out to destroy us.
01:18:27.580In fact, it was a Russian communist operation that destroyed us.
01:18:33.840It just took a lot longer than they, than they expected it to.
01:18:36.700So, anyway, that's all, that, we, we could do a whole nother week on just that subject.
01:18:43.480Hey, I saw on your website, you had a link, I thought, speaking of politically correct insanity, you linked to a study that said, smartness is false and oppressive.
01:20:15.780Uh, you can also find a link there to get a, a hold of, uh, uh, a paperback copy, uh, Kindle, or an audio book, uh, from, from audible.com.
01:20:27.100Uh, Willing Accomplices is all about where did PC progressives come, progressivism come from.
01:20:35.540And the second book, Obliterating Exceptionalism, is its effects today, starting with the Obama administration and looking at how it has, how the PC progresses through the Obama regime, have destroyed American exceptionalism, uh, in, in every facet, cultural, political, foreign affairs.
01:20:59.640Uh, there's a section in Obliterating Exceptionalism for all of those.
01:21:04.180Um, and you can find that on the website as well.
01:21:11.860It was great talking to you and, uh, look forward to talking to you again.
01:21:15.420Well, ladies and gentlemen, there's no denying that American culture has been destroyed, but the question remains, what are you going to do about it?
01:21:22.200Let's face it, logic, reasoning, and common sense is not going to win this politically correct culture war.
01:21:27.640Let's take Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals into play.
01:21:33.280So, the next time you get called a racist, a bigot, or an anti-Semite, or the usual predictable responses, turn it around to mock, ridicule, and scorn the traitor in your midst.
01:21:43.300Be the counterculture and love your bigotry against PC fascism.
01:22:00.420Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
01:22:03.960Polarization is at the core of the left's strategy.
01:22:06.820According to PC progressives, if you're not a liberal, you hate blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims, women, the poor, the environment, etc., etc.
01:22:17.680Why not point out that PC liberals who support affirmative action for women in the workplace do so because they think women are so weak that they can't even compete and therefore need a leg up.
01:22:27.460I want to encourage you all to read the Rules for Radicals so you know the tactics of your enemy.
01:22:32.080The fact is that this is a war that must be engaged on all fronts possible, so pick up your sword, tongue, and join the battle.
01:22:39.200Join me next week for Michael Griffith as we discuss the Northern War of Aggression, but most know it as the American Civil War.
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01:23:09.960I'm going to leave you with a very anti-American song, and let me tell you, one does not have to look far to find one because that's all you get anymore.
01:23:16.780This trite song is by The Clash, and it's called I'm So Bored With The USA.
01:23:21.180By the way, I worked for Miles Copeland, who started the music management company called CIA and also started IRS Records.
01:23:28.200Miles came from a CIA family who was behind the new wave music scene and managed The Clash, and he was very anti-American.
01:23:35.620Yankee soldier, if you want to shoot some skag, he met it in Cambodia, but now he can't afford a bag.
01:23:53.840Yankee dollar talk to the dictators of the world.
01:23:57.260In fact, he's given orders, and he can't afford to miss the word.