Women Against the Islamization of Europe
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Anka Vandermeersch is a lawyer who in 2003 was directly elected as a Belgian senator for the Flemish Nationalist Party Vlaas-Belgium. She is also a member of the Antwerp City Council and the Belgian Parliament, and the co-founder of the group Women Against Islam. Her book is called Neither a whore nor a slave: Women and Islam. Before politics, Anka was a gorgeous model who was crowned Miss Belgium in 1991 and Miss Universe in 1992. She's married with kids and recently, in a speech, she said, the well-being of a people can be measured by the position of women and the welfare of their children. Unfortunately, we women in Europe are not doing well. We'll talk about how European women are being affected by mass immigration.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Lana. You're listening to the audio version of this interview.
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Don't miss the video version available at redicemembers.com in the extra section
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or on redice.tv in the TV section. My guest is the lovely and influential Anka Vandermeersch from
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Belgium. She's a lawyer who in 2003 was directly elected as a Belgian senator for the Flemish
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Nationalist Party Vlams Belong. Additionally, she's a member of the Antwerp City Council and a member of
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the Flemish Parliament, also the co-founder of the group Women Against Islam. Her book is called
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Neither Whore Nor Slave, Women and Islam. But before politics, she was a gorgeous model who
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was crowned Miss Belgium in 1991 and Miss Universe in 1992. Sorry, boys, she's married with kids.
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The well-being of a people can be measured by the position of women and the welfare of their children.
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Unfortunately, we women in Europe are not doing well. We'll talk about how European women are
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being affected by mass immigration. Islam is no friend to women. So why are feminists and female
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politicians welcoming Islam with open arms? Anka, up next. Welcome, Anka. Thanks for being here.
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So you're a former model, a beauty pageant winner. You were trained as a lawyer. Then you became a
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senator. You're also a member of the Antwerp City Council and the Flemish Parliament. And also you
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started a group called Women Against Islam. So how did you go from being a model to a politician?
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Well, I was Miss Belgium 25 years ago. And then I was a contestant in the Miss World election and
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runner-up for the Miss Universe election. I actually still have contacts all over the world with the
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women who were contestant at that time. But I traveled around the world as Miss Belgium and I saw many
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people living in poverty. Many things go wrong. And I decided that life in Belgium, where I lived,
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was not so bad. And I wanted to have to stay that way, to have it last that way and to have a better
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world for everybody. And that's what young girls dream about. And so I went to university to study
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law. But as a lawyer, I could only help a few people in each file. I could help somebody. But as a
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politician, I can help more people at the same time. So this is why I got involved in politics.
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And I'm at the moment elected since 2003. Great. And we're going to talk about some of the things
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you're doing. But first, I just want to say you're Flemish. Now, a lot of people don't know about who the
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Flemish people are. So who are they? Well, the Flemish people are people living here around Antwerp,
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in the center of Europe. We're actually already known for a long time, because we are mentioned
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by the Romans, because we were great warriors at that time. And we were mentioned in their
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writings. And we do speak Dutch or Flemish. It's the same language as we speak the same language,
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actually, as the people in Holland. And we're very proud people and trying to get our own nation
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with the capital in which I live at the moment, Antwerp.
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That's right. And Belgium is a newer country. I mean, there isn't really a Belgian ethnicity,
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No. Belgium doesn't exist. The Belgian people doesn't exist. And Belgium is actually an
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artificial state. It was created in 1830, because as a buffer zone between Germany and France,
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because as you well know, Germany and France, they fought some wars and had some clashes.
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And Belgium was artificially made as a buffer between those two people, the French and the
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German. Actually, we're an artificial state in which two people live, the Walloon people
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and the Flemish people. And the Flemish people are now trying to establish their own states
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within the European Union, because we're not only Flemish people, we are also European.
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Yeah, you mentioned Antwerp, and Henrik and I went through there several years ago,
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and I couldn't believe it. It looked like a Muslim country. I was shocked. It was my first
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time in Belgium. And that's what I saw. I came in through Antwerp first. So when did the doors
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Well, the migration is going on for a long time already. And it depends on where you walk through
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our cities. If you feel in Flanders or not, there are areas where you cannot go anymore as a Flemish
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girl or Flemish woman or blonde woman as I am. Mass migration started actually in the 70s,
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when we needed people to work in our mines. We invited people to come and work here. But when
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the work was finished, they didn't go back. They brought more family, married people from
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their own country, brought them also here. And then since the war in Syria, the borders
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are really open and anybody comes in illegally into Europe. And they try to get to the heart
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of Europe, which is here in Belgium, Flanders, because we have a very good social system in
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which my parents, my great parents, my grand and parents for a long time already have invested
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lots of money. We pay throughout generations to have this social system. And at this point,
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people are coming in who have never paid one euro for the system, but are getting out many,
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many, many more euros than they ever invested in it. So the mass migration is a threat to our
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social system, actually. And that's exactly what they are, why are, what they are coming for to
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And they also end up having lots of children because of that welfare system, correct?
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Yes, our welfare system gives money to people. Every month you get a sum of money to raise your
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children. And if you have a lot of children, you get a lot of money. And the Belgian people,
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the Flemish people, they don't have many children anymore because we are used to having a standard
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of living. And to obtain that standard of living, you have to go out and work. Both parents have to
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go out and work. So you cannot have as many children as many women would like to have. We need a completely
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different policy for family matters, actually. It's a completely wrong system. And the system is that,
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in that degree, a wrong system that we, that at the moment, our people, Flemish people are being
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replaced by foreigners due to the system that is now installed and the policy that is now
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Now, are many Flemish people against this? Are they being vocal against mass immigration? Or are they
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supporting it like so many Europeans who are fooled by this?
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Well, my party has a lot of voters who are definitely against mass migration because we also see the
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dangers of the mass migration that is bringing in Islamization. And Islam is really a threat to our
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society, to women in our country. So many people see it, but more and more because we as a party and as
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politicians, we, we point out the problems and more and more people are seeing it. And the
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traditional parties like the Liberal Party, even the Socialist Party are seeing the problems at the
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moment, but they are not yet implementing the solutions that my party, Vlams Belang, is proposing.
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Well, you're actually a rarity amongst female politicians because a lot of female politicians,
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especially in Europe, tend to be very left and they're really welcoming the refugees.
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Why do you think that some of these women are more prone to accepting refugees and leftist politics?
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Well, yeah, I am kind of exceptional because I think also that women in politics in Europe,
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they behave like men also. They're not so feminine, which I think is very weird. And they have most of the
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time left ideas on the left side of the political spectrum, which I think is very strange because
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you should, you can normally imagine that a woman would take care of her own children first and then
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take care of the other children because you need to start somewhere. I don't understand that they would,
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they try to give away the money that is needed for our social system, for our schooling system, for the schools here,
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to other people before taking care of their own people. This is why my party has one slogan, which
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says what we are standing for, which is our own people first and then we will help the other people.
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This is how we would like to see our society work. For example, our schools, we all have public schools,
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every kid, almost every kid goes to a public school, private schools are very rare here. So the public
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schools, we don't have enough places due to mass migration. We do not have enough places in the
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schools to get our own kids to school, which makes that this evening after we conclude this interview,
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I will be going out camping in front of the school that I want for my child to have a place in the
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school. I have to go camping. Actually, this is how it works here in Europe. And this is what the left
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people do from the traditional parties, because almost all the traditional parties are from left
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side of left inspired by left. And I do not understand why women are engaging in such policies with
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those traditional parties. I do not understand.
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Yeah, I don't I'm always asking that question, too. In a speech, you said to the well being of a
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people can be measured by the position of women and the welfare of their children. You said, unfortunately,
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we women in Europe are not doing well. And I agree with that. So as a woman, how is life changing because
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of mass immigration and specifically Islamic immigration into Europe? What are some of the concerns?
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Well, we have many concerns because the feminists have fought for equal rights for women and on all
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kind of levels in society. My mother and my grandmother, they have traveled a long way to get the rights on
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which I do have as a female at this moment in our society. And because of mass migration and Islam coming
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as in with mass migration, Islam has different values. It sees women as inferior, even as evil.
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They have the Sharia law, which has awful punishments and inhuman punishment, actually,
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and also inhuman treatment for women. And those migrants who are living now amongst us are implementing
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those values. And they do not respect women at all. It goes from big clashes, but to minor ones,
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like the one I had this morning in the street. I was walking in the street and a man came up to me
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and speaking a kind of English. I do not speak very well English myself when you hear my accent, but it was
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even worse than I do. And he said, ah, you whore, who is going to pay for you today? And I was so shocked that
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I turned around and shouted very loudly at him that he should learn our language first and adapt
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to our way of living. And the people in the street, they were very quiet. It was a very busy street,
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actually, where I was this morning. So this is a daily life at this moment, living together with
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migrants and especially Muslim migrants. Things are changing in our society and women have to defend
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themselves more and more harsh, I think. And some people do, some women do, like I do. And I try to be an example
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for those women and try to tell them that we cannot give in and that we should stand for the rights that we have and
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And rape is also a problem. Basically, if you're not covered up in a burqa, you're a whore to them,
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you're a slut to them, they can say anything. And specifically European women, and I know that's part
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of their religious texts that they see us as, you know, spoils for the war, for the conquest, right?
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Yeah. And in Islam, women are only used as a breeding place or often, or how can I say it,
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to have more jihadists. They want women to have children, many children, especially boys, to
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engage in their religious war, the jihads. Actually, we do care about, women in the Western world do
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care about their children. We don't want them to go to war, if not necessary at all. We have a different
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view on treating little girls. Also, there's a big difference in how women are seen in Islam or in
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our society. And that makes, that gives problems within our society. And actually, if you're not
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covered up and living like they would like us to live, like Sharia rules say, they don't treat us
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as women, they treat us as commodity, and they're very harsh to us. And then, yeah, they see us as a
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whore, a Western whore, and they do not respect us at all. I do not like this situation. And this is why,
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as soon as I was elected in 2003, the first year I was elected as a senator, I wrote the burqa ban.
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And the burqa ban is a legislation that I introduced in the Belgian Senate, which served as the basis for
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the European burqa ban. And I'm very proud of that, because it's necessary to make a statement,
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it's a principle. You cannot wear burqas. It's kind of textile coffin, I think, for ladies and women.
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You cannot wear it here in Europe. Not at all, I think. That's why I introduced the law. But it's
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also to give a sign that the headscarf is also not very welcome. I don't like seeing lots of scarves,
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headscarves in the streets here, because they're symbols of the fanatic Islam. They're symbols of
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Islam, who does not treat women as equal to men, and does not give the rights to women as it should
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Now, what's happening with this burqa ban? Have you been able to push it ahead, or what's happening?
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Yes. So, the burqa ban was introduced by me in 2003. Then it was copied, because it was introduced
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in my mother language, which is Flemish. Then it was translated by the Belgian Senate in French. The
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French Senate could read it at that moment, and then some politicians in France introduced it in
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French, in the French parliament. It was adapted over there also, and from there on it was translated
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in different languages and adapted to the local legislation. And it is now implemented in a few
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more countries throughout Europe. And it's so actually the text that I wrote, which serves as
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the basis of the European burqa ban, which I'm very proud of.
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Yeah. Job well done there. Job well done. Well, I wanted to play a clip from a documentary a
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woman in Belgium made, so I'm going to just play the trailer here for you.
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I'm not sure if you're in a cafe. In the hotel, you're in direct.
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You're sexy. You want to go to the street? It's normal, right?
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So, it's just another day walking around in Brussels now. This woman is way too nice.
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I think women like you and I wouldn't be as nice, you know. But now, I mean...
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No. Actually, this morning, this is what happened to me also, eh? I told you already that I shouted out very loud.
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Nobody's treating me like this, but it's on a daily base. That's true.
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Well, the girl who made this video, she said that she was afraid that she was going to look
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like a racist after releasing this film because it just so happened that all the men that were
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harassing her happened to be foreigners, right? They happened to be non-Europeans. And at the end,
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you know, of this documentary, I watch it, she said, but I still believe in a multicultural
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No, actually, she did get it. But the pressure on women who speak out is very highly. I'm a very
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tough one, I guess. But it's not so easy to say the truth here in Europe. There are punishments.
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There's an anti-racism law. You can be punished in court. But as I am a lawyer, I don't care. And I
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go to court if I'm again asked to defend myself. We did that already a few times.
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I don't care if they call me a racist. I just want a future for my children, for the children,
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from the people around me. I don't care. I just don't, I just won't shut up. Even though I'm called
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a racist or fascist or anything else, I don't care. It's about the future of my children. I'll fight for
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it. I fight like a lion. I don't care. And actually, I think it's very racist to say that you're,
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that you think that if we speak out, to say something, what is wrong, that we already
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called racist. So this cannot be. Actually, the lady who made the Femme de la Rue, she understood very
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well what is happening in Brussels, and she wanted to show that. But she got a lot of criticism, and then
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she shut up, and then she had to turn around and say the right stuff. And yeah, in the mainstream,
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not everybody wants to get out of the mainstream or go in opposite to the mainstream as I do.
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It's true. I think, I think a lot of women do harbor these views. They just do it quietly. But a lot of
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women aren't like us. They can't come out and be vocal because they don't like the criticism. It's much,
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it's a much harder life when you're going against the grain. And not a lot of women are built to be able
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to withstand that. No, but I do, I do understand that women will not do that. They, that's why they
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need politicians, as I am. Not every woman can stand up and shout out. Women have to take care
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of their children. And here in Europe, many women go out and work, and that's their main goal, to have
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some money to buy stuff for their children, to make sure everybody's fed at the right time.
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And I can imagine that not everybody, not every woman can stand up. That's why we need politicians
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and ladies who stand out. And that's why we organized a group of ladies, Women Against Islamization,
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who go and on the basis of which, what they can do. Some can do that through the internet anonymously.
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Some can stand up and speak, like the images you're showing that was in England, in front of the
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English parliament, where I went to speak out to a group of ladies in the street. We do what we can,
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and everybody has a different role to play. Actually, some people like I do, we stand up and go the full
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length. But other people, the other women, they have other means of making sure that the right things
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are done here in Europe. Yeah, it's good. I think that a lot of women can kind of channel that energy
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through you. And it makes more women more prone to come out when they say, hey, there's a group of
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other women, and I can have a support system and, and other women that think like me. And it's kind of
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like a little safe, a safe haven for them to actually say what they want, you know, it gives them the
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confidence. So, yeah, I think that that's important. Now, are you finding more women supporting you?
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Well, actually, we started some five years ago with Women Against Islamization. At the time,
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I published a book, which is not translated in English yet, but it's translated in German.
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And it's titled Nor Whore Nor Slave. It's about women and Islam. And at that point, we started the
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organization Women Against Islamization. And we do have now women in the organization in different
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countries, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Lettland, which is up north, Finland, also Italy,
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actually, it's becoming a big European organization after a few years already.
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That's great. That's fantastic. I think you're doing great work. I also wanted to talk about where
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feminism is intersecting with Islam. I mean, because it seems like a lot of these feminists,
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when they say, oh, you know, we can't sexualize women or body shame women. So let's
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put on a burqa. They seem to be okay with that in some cases. So what do you think about that,
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that union that we see happening between these hardcore feminists and Islam? They seem to support
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it and be okay with it and love burqas too. Yeah, I don't understand that very well, because
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I see that the most of the feminist groups, the traditional women and feminist groups, they are pro
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headscarves. They defend wearing headscarves. They defend Muslims who want to wear a headscarves. And
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I don't understand that it goes against all the rights we fought for many years already. So we need
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different kinds of feminism. Actually, I don't think I'm actually a feminist. It's a different kind
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of struggle that I do. I want equality between men and women. And I do not understand why the headscarf
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can be defended by a feminist. This is why we need a different kind of organization for women. And
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Women Against Islamization wants to be that platform, that platform to have the women unite
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against other people who try to sell out our rights. Yeah, it's interesting too, how there's
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a lot of women you see who don't want to be harassed in the streets. And they're the type that
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might one day voluntarily wrap up in a hijab or a burqa just to avoid being harassed in the streets.
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So it's almost like these guys are trying to create that. They're trying to push that, right?
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But this is already happening here in Europe. Actually, you said that you were walking around
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in my country here and in Antwerp, and that it feels like a Muslim country sometimes. Well,
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there is areas where it is actually like that. And the Flemish girls, Flemish blonde ones, like I am
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blonde, they do cover up already to not be harassed. And this is a wrong sign, completely wrong, but it
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does happen. We had a big discussion in a school where the director of the school, a lady director
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of the school said there cannot be any more headscarves worn within the school walls, because
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it puts a pressure on the other girls, the Flemish girls, who are not even Muslimists. It puts pressure
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on them to also wear the headscarves, because you get the segregation between the non-Muslim girls and
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the Muslim girls, in which the Muslim girls and the Muslim men and boys are treating the Flemish ones
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who do not wear the headscarves as whores and as a minority. And that cannot be happening in the
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school. And this is why the schools have already a ban on the headscarves. Some of the schools do have
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that. Actually, the school I am going to camp in front of this evening is one of those schools where it is
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prohibited to wear a headscar. All right, good job. Well, I have a question. What do you think
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is the solution? I mean, a lot of nationalists say that all these people, they're going to need to
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go back home. A lot of them aren't coming from war-torn countries. They're coming from countries
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that are just poor, but it's still safe there. What do you think is the solution? Is it too hardcore
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to say repatriate them? Or what are politicians saying? Well, the traditional politicians in Europe
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are not saying actually what I am saying or what my party is saying. I do want people to live in
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harmony, peace, and do want them to have a good life all over the world. For example, when I see
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little children put into boats and crossing the Mediterranean Sea to come to Europe, I think
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that's awful and we cannot open the borders of Europe and encourage people and parents to put
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their little children on those awful little boats and put them in danger to come to Europe. Europeans
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should help the people in their region where they are. Some of the regions have a war. The region next
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to that, that's the place where you have to help those people. Because a little child does not only need
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a shelter and food, it needs a future. And people coming from Africa, children coming from Africa or the
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Middle East, they are lost here in Europe. They do get shelter and they do get fed, but they don't get
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the future here because this European society is so different from what they are used to and where they
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are normally living. So we should, as Europeans, help people in their own region where they come from.
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And that is more remain than putting little children with their parents and forcing them to come to
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Europe by putting the gates of Europe open. So we should close the gates of Europe and let them not
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enter anymore. So they stay where they should stay in their own region and then help the people over there.
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The people who are already here, if they want to live as a European and adapt to our way of living,
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and also have their contribution to our society, because I already talked about contributing
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financially to our social system before you get benefits out of the system, then I think it's okay.
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But a majority of the migrants who are living here at this moment, they object and they do not want
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our society. They even hate the Western Europe. So I think those people don't belong here,
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and we should have a collective expulsion of them.
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Are most of the politicians that you're encountering in Europe and in the European Union,
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Not really, but the traditional political system is supporting it. So they work in that frame.
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We actually meet a different kind of politics and the nationalist parties, the patriotic parties are gaining
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majorly actually. We do gain votes in France with Marine Le Pen, we do gain votes in Holland with
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Wilders and throughout Europe, patriotic parties and nationalists are growing on a rapid scale.
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So the future looks fine. I think that we should be able to put the problems, to name the problems
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and put the solutions forward. And then many people within the next election will follow and will vote
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for a patriotic party in their European country. So we can change the policy of the European
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system as well. So I think more and more people are understanding the problem.
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How do you think Wilders is going to do in the election?
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I think Wilders is going to do fine, but the only problem in Holland is that the people are not obliged to
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take part of the democratic system. Here in Flanders, in Belgium, everybody has to go and vote.
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In Holland, you don't have to go and vote. And there's many people at this moment who are so
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discussed by the traditional leftist parties and politics that they don't bother going to the
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voting polls. And that is a pity because everybody should be part of the democratic system. And that might
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be difficult for Wilders, but I think he's going to do just fine.
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I am very happy that we have President Trump. Actually, I'm also a big fan of Jeff Sessions. I
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met him in the US Senate once. And at that time, it's already a few years ago, he made a big impression
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on me. And I'm very pleased to see that he's Attorney General at this point in history.
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Well, Anka, I want to thank you for your time today. And I definitely want to promote your book. I know
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it's not in English, but how can people follow your work and everything that you're doing?
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Yes. Thank you for promoting the book. And I do need sponsoring for translating the book or for
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Women Against Islamization to go on and doing a good job and working for the equal rights between
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women and men and defending women here in Europe, because it's really, really necessary.
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Oh, yeah. I forgot to ask you one thing, though. When I was in Belgium with Henrik,
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we stopped and asked someone for directions. And it was actually a white person. And he just ignored
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us. Just nothing. Nothing came out and no one really talks on the streets. Is that pretty common
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there? Why is that? Well, when I when I walk in the street, I sometimes do ignore people also if they
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ask me questions or they do. They do not look right to me, but you're looking just fine.
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So I will give you directions. But people are getting more and more defensive here. We
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we feel that we are under attack. So that is why a social system and social behavior is actually
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Too bad. Well, thank you again so much. And your English is actually terrific. You have nothing to worry
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about. So job well done. Thank you so much. Anka is incredibly unique when it comes to female
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politicians. I also met her in person and she was kind, warm and had a great sense of humor.
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