Women on the Verge of Societal Breakdown
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Piero San Giorgio is a Swiss author and former businessman and software executive. For the past decade, he has studied the global economic system and its dependence on ever-expanding populations, debt, and resource exploitation. He is the author of several books, including Survive the Economic Collapse and his latest, which we ll discuss in this episode, Women on the Verge of Societal Breakdown.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. This is Lana. Joining me is Piero San Giorgio, a Swiss author
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and former businessman and software executive. For the past decade, he has studied the global
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economic system and its dependence on ever-expanding populations, debt, and resource
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exploitation. He is the author of several books, including Survive the Economic Collapse, and his
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latest, which we'll discuss, called Women on the Verge of Societal Breakdown. Piero will explain the
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fragility of our modern liberal world and how as our contemporary society collapses, a woman will
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find herself in an extremely vulnerable position. Thinking in terms of no borders, liberal politics,
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and social upheaval, coupled with our dependence on the system for survival, we talk about how this
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is a ticking time bomb and how women will suffer if not prepared. Piero San Giorgio, up next.
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Well, I hear you've been traveling Europe. You're working on a new book. Any spoilers you can give us?
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Let's say that it will involve a lot of information about the invasion of Europe
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and who's behind it. But that's for some time in the future.
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Well, I think that the research into the migrant invasion actually fits with your new book,
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Women on the Verge of Societal Breakdown, because feminists claim, you know, women fought so hard
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for their freedom, which we'll question in a bit. But it seems that if leftist trends continue and if
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feminists keep defending Islam, it might end with women being stoned to death in the streets,
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you know? I mean, what is it with feminists loving Islam? Some say they actually want to
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be dominated. Others say they just hate European men. But what do you think?
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Well, you know, to tell you the story about this book, you know, when my first book came out,
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Survive the Economic Collapse, and surprisingly for me as a, you know, I was not a writer at the time,
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a full-time writer. It had a huge success. And I noticed that most of the readers, actually 80%,
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90% were men. And I was wondering, interestingly, we are in a world where women through feminism
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have received all the rights, and perhaps even more than men. And therefore, they should be just
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like men, thinking about the future and thinking about protecting their society.
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And obviously, that was not the case. Not many women were interested about what I was explaining,
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about why our world is collapsing, our global economy is going bad, and therefore, the risks
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that are linked to that. And I was thinking, well, hold on a second. The women have more to suffer,
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because when a society collapses, that means there is no law, there's no more protection.
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And women have always been the prize for razia, for war, for conquest. And therefore, it could be
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very dangerous for them. So I started to think about feminism. And I was thinking, after all,
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in the history of mankind, there's never been any time like the past 100 years, where women have had
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these rights and this power that they have fought for and acquired over the time. And I must say,
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this is a European, and to some extent, American, but you understand it's a Western approach.
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And of course, I was thinking, how come in the West, after 100 years of gaining these rights and
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gaining these privileges, women have seemed to fail to understand that it's also their responsibility
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to protect their societies, to protect their civilization, and if only to protect themselves.
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And so, of course, I studied feminism. This is what I write in the first part of the book.
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Why and what were the mechanisms that brought, in a historical perspective, to bring women
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to the forefront, to the forefront of political and, you know, labor and working. And at some point,
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eventually, it went too far. And today, it seems that the feminism that is certainly vocal is one that
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is against women. It is against white men. And it's against Western civilization. So, at some point,
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there has been some hijacking by cultural Marxism and other forces to make sure that women basically
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have become free to be slaves, they have become free to be prisoners of their own needs, or rather,
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of their own wants, such as shopping. And you just have to see literature for women. It's extremely
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disappointing. It's not, I mean, freedom and elevation and rights. For what? For shopping? For having to work
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just as men? For having to, not having children anymore? Because you don't have time, you need to
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have a career. And what career? To be a glorified secretary? To be working in, as a saleswoman in
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consumer shops. And for this, women have sacrificed family, children, and that means people that will take care
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of them when they're old. And that means, probably, they have sacrificed husbands, caring men. Because in a
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world where women are free, men feel that they don't need to protect them anymore, and therefore, don't have
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also the moral imperative to stay with them, and to stay faithful, in a way, to them. In the old days,
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men, yeah, they may have mistresses, they might have had adventures here and there, but it was impossible
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for them to leave their women. While today, women are married to the state. So they have this illusion,
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they have this illusion that they can do and live their lives the way they want. And they forget that
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eventually, when the state is not going to be around, who's going to protect them?
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That's just it. Well, I think that's a great opening statement. I wanted to go back to part one of your
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book, The Century of Women. You open this chapter with a highly important line that I'm going to read.
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In just a few generations, we have wandered far from nature and our habits and our way of life,
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which had previously flowed within a rhythm set by the seasons defined by a multitude of everyday
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pressing problems and controlled by precise and strict societal norms. So can you elaborate on
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this a little bit? Well, yes. If you think about, if we go very long time ago in the past, if we go back
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tens of thousands of years, first of all, women were never oppressed by men. Women were part of the team,
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which was the family. And there were different sorts of families, but depending of where you look in the world.
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But generally speaking, men and women were part of the same tribe. And everyone was committed to make sure that
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the whole tribe was performing as best as they could, because it was necessity of survival, gathering or hunting
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enough food, gathering wood or material for fire, having shelter in case of bad weather, and certainly in case of the winter.
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And this was obviously stronger in the northern climates. And this is why there are fundamental differences between
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people from the north, people like us in the west that have developed around Europe and the Baltic and Caucasus and even parts of
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central Asia. And to some extent, Asia as well. Asian people have similar patterns. And these are very different
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from people from the desert or perhaps people from the tropics, from the equatorial forests or the savannah.
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Completely different point of view. So I'm focusing a little bit on our people, on the west. And during those times,
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these women were never considered below men. They were fully part of society. And they had a complete
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Yeah, they didn't think about egalitarianism and equality, seeing each other separate. They thought
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of each other as one in the same, as a team, right? Exactly.
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Absolutely. As a team. And obviously, physical differences made that men would be more fit to
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go and hunt big animals or to fight invading tribes. And women were more fit for, of course,
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taking care of the children. We men cannot bear children, for sure. At least for now. They're
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working on that. Yeah, exactly. And certainly that meant that there was some specialization and
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segregation of labor that was happening. But this was never perceived. In fact, some scholars,
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scholars, I'm not sure it's correct, but some scholars actually believe that in terms of calories,
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women were actually providing more calories to the tribe through a gathering of fruits and
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roots and wild little animals compared to the men who would gather big animals. I'm not sure if that's
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correct. But certainly, for sure, no one would think of anyone as inferior or different.
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And that was our life for tens and tens of thousands of years. And when, obviously,
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we started to gather agriculture and herding and to be much more sedentary, less nomadic,
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the religions of the Middle East, of the desert, Judaism first, but also Christianity and then Islam,
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started to believe that women have to be a propriety. Because fundamentally,
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women know who are the children. The Latins used to say,
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which means the mother knows she's the mother. She's certain about that. The man is not certain,
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can never be really certain. In fact, in Judaism, it's pushing to the point where only women,
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women, in theory, make the religion pass on through the blood, very strange concept for religion.
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But certainly, certainly, this is how it was perceived. And men needed to make sure that women
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were in the house, in the home, so that they would ensure that the children were theirs. In the past,
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you know, we estimate that even in tribes or that are in a very primitive way of life, there's about 20
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to 30 percent children who are not from the father. So there is about that. There is some sort of
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mixing that happens. But those approaches to make women a property suddenly spread. And indeed,
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we have lived from, starting from the Middle East in about 2000 BC, all the way through the end of
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Christianity in Europe, we have lived into a real, and for this, I must say, the feminists are correct.
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There has been a time of patriarchy. Where they are not correct is that they have seen this as
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an oppression in all cases, in all sorts, in all places of life. And indeed, it was not the case,
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because when people have to work, such as in farming, or in the factories later on,
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there had to be a partnership between the men and the women. You could never say that the man was
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the master on the woman, because even if the religion was saying that, it was not the case,
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because life was too hard. So in fact, feminism is an invention of the bourgeois class. So the rich
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women, who were probably didn't have a lot to do during the day, started at the turn of the 19th
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century, and to the beginning of the 20th century, to think that it was their duty, just as they stopped
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slavery before. It's Western women who pioneered the end of slavery. Western bourgeois women also
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pioneered the freedom or the fight for rights for women.
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Yeah, let me read a quote to that from your book. You said that the emancipation of women gave them
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access to freedoms, which were previously very rare and only available to a tiny elite.
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Yes. And the interesting paradox is that tiny elite actually employed at very low wages,
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women to do all the chores, of course, taking care of the children, the house, and the cleaning.
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And today as well, you see a lot of bourgeois feminists who keep talking about
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men exploiting women, where in fact, they are hiring, they have nannies and maids to take care
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of their own houses and children. So this paradox of the bourgeois class is always quite fascinating.
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So then what happens, you know, modern medicine, technology, science, industrial revolution
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comes, and how did this collide with, you know, our centuries-old traditions and culture?
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When you look at it, despite Mr. Bernet's propaganda to make sure that the suffragettes in the 1920s
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were on the front page of the news, the real emancipation of women starts with technology.
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Because if men hadn't invented the washing machine, the vacuum cleaner, and so on, well,
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rights are all well and good. And when there's work to be done, you don't have time to think,
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you don't have time to fight for your rights. You just have to do it because you cannot live in filth
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and with dirty children and you need to survive. So we have to recognize that it is technology and
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it is modernity, which has been created by the West, once again, that has emancipated the woman. And I
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think in the book, I show at what time women have participated into, they got universal right of
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vote. But also, I have a chapter on when women started to participate in the war effort, first in World War
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War One, but especially in very large numbers in World War Two. And obviously, after World War Two, when
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seven million women, for example, in the Soviet Union fought against Germany, when millions of women
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worked in the factories in the United States and in England and in other countries, well, after the war,
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it was very difficult to say, well, now you have to go back. It was the right time to say, well, then you
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can now, of course, vote, but also develop your intellectual potential, which I believe women have
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greatly. And of course, do what you want. Unfortunately, I think this was hijacked at some
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point. I think the counter revolution in the 60s, the culture, you know, if you call it cultural
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revolution in the US, but in the 60s and early 70s, this movement, which was, I think, happening
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anyway, was politicized and hijacked by the usual suspects, to make sure that it became a form of
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uh, uh, uh, fight against the, um, uh, white, uh, Western society. Yeah. And, uh, and we've been, uh,
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because we are nice people in the West, we fell for it. And now it went too far.
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Yeah. It's interesting. You bring up, you know, women, they first enter the workplace, think about
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this in a time of war. I mean, that seems like a really bad omen, you know, they're like helping
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build and put together, you know, guns that are being used so that white men can kill each other,
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you know? So they went from this feminine realm to a masculine one practically overnight.
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Yes. The, I, I, I take as a, you know, you probably remember the first chapter of the book. I,
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I give the example of my grandmother, which started, uh, as a very poor factory worker. I think she started
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to work when she was 14 and, um, she worked in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a cookies factory in
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Torino in north of Italy. And, um, and, uh, she, she, she had the entrepreneurship spirit.
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So to make a very long story short, she ended up after the war to own, uh, a few businesses.
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And despite having lost two children, um, she, she managed to have a very successful, uh, life and
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career. And, and it really showed that the times were, were not easy. The, the, for men and women,
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uh, and we should never forget that most of the people, 90% of the people in Europe and in America,
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um, they had a very difficult time, whether they were men or women, this idea that, um,
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men had it good and women were oppressed. It's really a view from the bourgeois class. It's not the
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view from the proletarian or for the working people. Thinking in terms of what you're saying,
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it's our, our, our ideas. One of the problems here is our ideas of human survival has drastically
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been changing from how our ancestors viewed it. It's become very artificial versus something really
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grounded in nature. So it's telling that in our modern era, you know, depression and anxiety,
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it's an epidemic. A lot of women are on antidepressants. So is this really the consequences of being removed
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from nature and self-sufficiency? I mean, cause that really brings the ultimate satisfaction,
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right? When we're like working to provide for our families and working as a unit. What do you think?
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Yes. Uh, the, the, the idea that, um, men are not needed anymore. You know, men, men are very,
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once again, we, we don't know where, who are our children. I mean, theoretically, we don't know.
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Therefore, um, we are programmed to have as many children as we can. And this is our biological
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programming. Of course, civilization and, and, and care and care makes you go beyond that. But
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the idea is that you will impregnate as many women as you can, as often as you can, because we can,
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whereas women is a different story. Women have, are limited by maybe one or two children every,
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every, you know, two or three years. And therefore they need, they know that they will need to care
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for those children when they're small and therefore selecting the right men is very important. When the
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world tells them that they don't need men anymore because the state will provide, well, suddenly they
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don't care anymore about selecting properly. They will become more promiscuous. They will become, uh,
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easier to, um, uh, to approach. And men will take advantage of that. Men will certainly,
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certainly feel that first of all, they're not needed, nor they're wanted to protect, uh, the
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woman in the society. And therefore they can afford, um, to, uh, not care or not commit anymore.
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And this is by the way, something that a lot of women complain to. They say, oh, men don't commit,
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men don't commit. Well, maybe you should think about what it means to be, um, uh, selecting the right,
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the right men and look at how parts of our society are collapsing completely in terms of family.
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The first one were probably the weakest part of our societies. Look at how from the 1950s where,
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for example, black Americans had the same marriage and divorce rates as white. Today,
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it's a complete disaster. I mean, you have, uh, the average black, I cannot call it a family,
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unfortunately for them. Yeah. It's all single moms. And yeah, it's a single mom was four
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children with four different men. And, um, I think that's common in Africa too. You know,
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this kind of commitment and being a couple is a very European thing.
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And having worked in Africa, it is quite common. However, there is one advantage in Africa is that
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because the state doesn't provide for, for, for, for anyone, um, the women are extremely assertive
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on men. So you, you almost have domination of women on African men in Africa, because the women,
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they know they're, they know how the men are. So they will put a lot of pressure and, and it's
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extremely harsh. I've seen it. I've seen it happen. Uh, the woman will hunt them down on the,
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in the evenings to know where they are and they will drag them back home, uh, so that they, they
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don't mess around. And it's a, it's a, so if there is a social form of control,
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whereas in the U S and more in studying in European, uh, societies, this social control
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doesn't exist. And in fact, it went to the opposite way where there is a subculture of, um,
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making, um, the, the, the, the criminal male to be the, the hero of that subculture.
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And, and those who suffer the most in reality are of course, the children, but obviously the,
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the women who have to take care of these children on their own. And, um, I think the,
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the, the real sad part is that of course, now, uh, this breeds a high criminality as we know,
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but it also spreading this way of life, this way of culture is spreading to other societies,
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spreading to whites. And it even starts to break to Asians, uh, on a lesser scale,
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but this culture has been pushed by the media to be widespread. And so now we start to see white,
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uh, let's say European women who are suffering the same exact, um, social problems than, uh, Afro
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American or, or, uh, others, um, other women in society. The only ones I must say that are not
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suffering through that are the ones from the Muslim communities, which are still extremely traditional.
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Now thinking in terms of, you know, female emancipation, wasn't it really liberation for
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men too, in a way, because then they could be off the hook of being the provider and the protector,
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right? Kind of that you were alluding to that fact. Yes, I think so. And, uh, and, uh, and, uh,
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and I think we, we now understand that the results are patently, uh, disastrous and there is a huge,
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um, movement and I can feel it in society where both women and men,
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uh, are, are fed, are fed up of this and are moving back towards some form of traditional way of
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life, some form of traditional values. And, um, this is probably the fundamental reason for some
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sort of Christian revival, uh, you know, this evangelical revival in the U S starting in the 80s,
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uh, has probably something to do with that. And, um, in some cases, look at, for example,
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someone that is a very interesting, uh, personage, a very interesting character in American, uh,
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political life, which is Louis Farrakhan with nation of Islam. I mean, this guy is pushing for family,
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for discipline, for, um, structure in the African American societies. And, um, the woman
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are following this very much because they understand that the dangers and the risks
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that exist outside of the protection of a structured society provided by men are incredible.
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We're talking, uh, what I was discussing before, promiscuity and, uh, uh, single, single, single
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woman. This is the, the, the mild problem. The big problem is rape, it's violence, it's, um,
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beatings and, uh, even killings. This is what, uh, is happening now with women on their own.
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That's right. I think it's, it's probably more dangerous for women in this current modern society
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that's very leftist than the old days because of all the criminality and rampant multiculturalism,
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you know, especially rapes by invaders. In the old days, the men would just hunt these guys down
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and go to war and take them out. That doesn't happen anymore.
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Exactly. And I've seen this, I've seen this personally in Africa during my travels. You know,
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if, if someone, if someone rapes a woman, the family of, of the woman will hunt the guy down and
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kill him. That's it. And the authorities will just turn a blind eye saying, well,
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this is our customs. We don't have anything to say. Today in Europe, when a man, uh, rapes a woman,
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probably get six months, not, he probably doesn't even go to jail. And that's if he gets convicted,
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because probably they will find that, oh, you know, he's a poor, uh, immigrant. He didn't know,
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uh, you know, we must understand the differences of culture and things like that. It's becoming appalling.
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You, everyone has, has, has, has seen these, uh, uh, images, shocking images and news from
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Cologne, uh, a year ago. Uh, and, uh, and from Sweden, the world's rape, uh, capital after Lesotho.
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Yeah. I mean, Swedish rape in Sweden has is on the levels of, of, of deep Africa. This is,
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this is crazy. We cannot allow this. And women are starting to realize that they are the victims. And
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therefore, you know, they're not going to rape me. I'm, um, I'm six foot tall. Uh, no one is going
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to rape me. Uh, believe me, but, but, uh, but my daughters, I have to be, I have to be, I am,
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I am scared for my good daughters. I have to teach them how to protect. They have to do self-defense.
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When you look at the self-defense courses across, across Europe, I'm sure in the U S it's the same.
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And they're, the classes are full of women today. There is a, there is a consciousness
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that is starting from that. And this is survival instinct. So it's, it's, it's just normal.
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Yeah. I think there's a lot of European women that are also quite naive because they've had it
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good for so long, right? They, they have been safe. They have been able to wear mini skirts,
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you know, and go out clubbing at midnight, not fear being raped. But now that's all completely
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changing, isn't it? Yes. It's, uh, it's quite possible. And that, um, there is some sort of
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natural selection at play, but you see, the problem is I'm, I'm part of, um, my societies.
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I'm Swiss. I cannot say to my Swiss, um, citizen, uh, woman citizens, look, it's going to be natural
00:27:18.220
selection. You will learn the hard way. Sure. Some of them might learn the hard way, but, um, my,
00:27:25.180
my, my duty as a citizen and as a fellow European is to teach them, look and to tell them and to warn
00:27:32.300
them is to say, well, look, think about, um, the real risks. And I, I have a lot of people who are,
00:27:39.340
uh, I know a lot of women who are from the left and, um, they start to vote extreme right. They start
00:27:48.380
to vote in the right at least, or certainly at the very least, they certainly have a consciousness,
00:27:53.740
uh, catharsis because they understand very well that being raped is not exactly pleasant
00:28:00.620
or being stoned to death by some foreign culture that is coming in, in our countries is not exactly
00:28:07.260
pleasant. And, um, you know, the, the most stupid ones, well, they're hopeless. We, we, we see them,
00:28:13.340
these social justice warriors. And I mean, we, we just have to consider them insignificant because
00:28:18.620
they are insignificant. So we, we have to cut them out from our, from our, they're already dead.
00:28:24.140
They don't know it yet. That's right. But those we can save, those we can, those that we can teach,
00:28:30.300
those who have been, those who fell for the narrative of the, of the cultural Marxism and
00:28:36.620
on, of the left, well, we, we, we can still save them because they are, they are, I think they are
00:28:42.140
mature now to understand the real risk because this is a, this is not intellectual anymore. This is, um,
00:28:48.780
this is really, uh, you know, so to speak, uh, deep into them.
00:28:55.180
Now, another big, important concept you bring up that we can't just have endless growth and
00:29:00.860
forever just expand and expect there to be no consequences. So explain how, how that's a bad
00:29:09.500
This is where it links to my first, my first book, which was about, uh, indeed, um, in a world of
00:29:15.340
ever increasing population. Well, uh, growth cannot continue forever. Uh, first of all,
00:29:21.580
there are environmental limits, there are energy limits, and there are resources limits.
00:29:25.740
And, um, thinking that there are, you know, Africa, for example, is 1 billion people today.
00:29:31.020
This, this is expected to double by 2050. So there's going to be 2 billion Africans in 2015.
00:29:37.340
And according to the UN, if, if things stay unchanged, and, uh, of course, I, I believe
00:29:42.700
this is never going to happen because we will all collapse before, uh, by the end of this century,
00:29:47.580
Africa will be 4 billion people. So obviously considering these, and this is not the shot,
00:29:53.740
these are not the sharpest tool in the, in the box as well. Um, this, these guys will never be able
00:29:59.980
to, to, to, to live in their, in their own lands because despite a fairly good economical growth
00:30:05.500
in, in that continent, um, the growth of the people is higher and therefore they will export
00:30:11.580
more and more people who will try to go to, uh, to Europe, obviously not in the U S since, um,
00:30:18.540
you are probably not going to accept anymore, which is a great thing. Um, the, these people will not
00:30:25.820
want to live like, uh, a farmer in Mali, these people will want to live like Europeans. Yeah,
00:30:31.500
they would live like kings. Exactly. That means like, let, let the, and that means an incredible
00:30:37.340
stress on the, on the budgets of the economy, on the, on the, on the local, on the local life and so
00:30:43.340
on. In fact, very interestingly, uh, a bit unrelated to my book, but certainly when, when I travel in
00:30:49.260
North Africa or in the Middle East, as I, as I, as I travel often, um, I see that the, the Muslim
00:30:55.580
countries in those areas are scared from the immigration from Africa because they are on the
00:31:01.660
first, they are swamped from these, uh, migrants before they can cross into Europe. They stay for
00:31:08.140
months and for years in Morocco, in Tunisia, in, uh, in Lebanon and all these places. And, um, they,
00:31:15.420
their behavior is the same. And, and of course the, the laws over there are much tougher.
00:31:19.740
Oh yeah. Saudi Arabia just doesn't let any of those people in.
00:31:23.260
Indeed. And, and, and, and nor does Israel, by the way. And, and therefore, and therefore the,
00:31:27.660
and which is, which by the way, they're totally correct. We must say, uh, we must say bravo to,
00:31:32.540
to, to, to well done Israel, not to take, uh, people who are not from your culture.
00:31:36.700
I mean, we should be doing the same thing, of course.
00:31:39.340
Yeah. Like they, they build walls and they say no to, to, to people who are not from their culture
00:31:44.540
and their right to do that. So, so we are, we are seeing, this is a worldwide phenomenon. This is not
00:31:50.540
just limited to us. The question is in Europe, we are weak now, right now, and we are not putting
00:31:57.660
the, the, the, the laws, but also the, the, the walls and the barriers to prevent this phenomenon.
00:32:05.020
But certainly what, what, what this means is that growth will never solve this anymore.
00:32:10.460
And we are stuck with, uh, not growing economies that will never, are never going to be able to
00:32:16.460
bring wealth for billions of people. And that means we will have to become tough and we will become
00:32:23.580
tough because our way of life is going to decrease unless we change our way of life to something
00:32:29.740
different. And, um, and I think we have to obviously become tough. We have to, to learn to become tough,
00:32:35.340
women included. We have to, as I explained in my books, I always push this idea of we have to become
00:32:42.460
as much autonomous as possible. We have to learn to, to, to, to be autonomous as, as individuals for
00:32:49.020
our survival needs for, that means water, food, uh, self-defense, uh, culture, and so on. But also we need
00:32:57.500
to learn, uh, jobs and trades that cannot depend on the global economy of the financial, financialized,
00:33:05.900
uh, indebted world economy. We have to think of jobs that are going to exist no matter what, uh, you know,
00:33:15.020
plumbing, uh, carpentry, uh, bicycle repair, it doesn't matter. There's millions of very interesting jobs.
00:33:26.940
Yeah, gender studies is going to have, um, not a bright future, I think.
00:33:30.620
Yeah. I mean, you have a great section in your book where you talk about how modern convenience
00:33:36.460
has made us fragile, and this is very important. We should talk about it, but I want to just read
00:33:40.140
a quote here. He said, have we not become as patients in a coma hooked up, hooked up to a more
00:33:45.020
and more complex, fragile life support mechanism and completely dependent on it. Let's talk about that,
00:33:51.180
how we've become fragile through all this modern convenience.
00:33:53.740
Yes. Well, think of where people get the food. We buy food. Most of the people buy food in the
00:34:01.180
supermarkets and they buy, uh, medication, uh, from the pharmacy, from the, from the drug, the drug store.
00:34:08.060
And, um, they want to fuel for their car. They go to the petrol station. If they want, um, anything that
00:34:15.340
they need in their life, everything is available just in time when they need it. Uh, but this is
00:34:23.660
relying on an incredibly complex machine of supply of just in time supply of, uh, of incredible
00:34:34.620
complexity. It's even, it's very hard for human brain to understand the complexity of this machine
00:34:40.300
that Western men have created. And, uh, this machine has become fragile because it's, it, it works on the
00:34:49.340
basic that everything works all the time. So as soon as the system starts to have, uh, shocks, as soon
00:34:56.940
as it has, um, failures, as soon as it has, uh, um, different kinds of problems whose cause can come from
00:35:05.980
social unrest, uh, energy disruption, um, lack of raw materials to manufacture the key ingredients,
00:35:15.820
the spare parts, uh, or, uh, transports that don't work for whatever reason. So the system is not going
00:35:24.460
to last forever. Therefore, um, we have better prepare, uh, ourselves, uh, to be with the least
00:35:35.740
impact if, if the system falls. But I would say there is a even more important reason for us to live in a
00:35:43.580
different way is that the life today in our system, as you mentioned, is not making us very happy.
00:35:49.660
A lot of people are depressed. We have to take drugs. Uh, we compensate our lack of, um, future,
00:35:57.260
uh, with, um, uh, consumption with, uh, sex with whatever that, uh, that is a short term, uh, pleasure.
00:36:08.620
We, we, and, and also I think the most, the most sad part is we have completely lost the sense of
00:36:14.220
community. Uh, all of us in whether, whether, whether we are, uh, um, whites, blacks, doesn't
00:36:22.700
matter. We all have lost the sense of community and, um, yeah. And therefore we, um, we, we live a sad
00:36:30.460
life. And this is the reason why I believe that finding a better community, learning to be
00:36:35.580
self-sufficient, uh, creating strength, uh, through the, through those means make us more, uh,
00:36:42.780
strong and more, and more resilient. Yeah. And we're happy. I think that the consequence of
00:36:47.020
wanting constant comfort, avoiding the reality of life on this planet, we've, we've basically
00:36:52.460
outsourced our own survival has made us weak and vulnerable and depressed because we're so out of
00:36:58.140
touch with, with the nature, you know? Exactly. Exactly. You were talking about also in the book,
00:37:05.260
you know, that our, our grandparents used to stockpile, they planned for the future. Nowadays,
00:37:09.660
there's no planning. It's, it's just in time, everything. And it's that saying, I always hate
00:37:14.940
live in the moment, man, you know, relax. And now I hear that millennials, they can't even cook. There
00:37:21.260
was just a, a, a research study that was released and was saying that millennials go out to eat more than
00:37:27.240
they spend on grocery shopping. Like they don't even know how to cook anymore. Yes. I think that,
00:37:32.860
uh, it is true to some extent. And, um, uh, however, because of the crisis and because of the, um,
00:37:39.180
the difficulty to find jobs and therefore have enough money to eat out, uh, a lot of, uh, young
00:37:44.460
people are starting to realize that maybe the American dream is, uh, is, has become a nightmare.
00:37:49.100
And it's time to, uh, it's time to go back to, to self-sufficiency and, uh, and, um, and, uh,
00:37:56.700
ability to be, uh, more, more reliant on, on oneself. In fact, general Celente was telling me,
00:38:03.780
uh, that the highest growing economy, economic segment in the United States is, uh, um, farming of,
00:38:12.220
uh, organic products and more and more young people are leaving the big cities to go back
00:38:18.940
into countrysides to start organic farms. This whole artificial system of modernity. I mean,
00:38:24.860
could it even exist if it, it didn't rely on financing? Because in America, every,
00:38:29.580
everyone has loans to have everything that they have. Yes. Financing and cheap energy.
00:38:36.220
And both are, um, in their death throes. So we better move ourselves very fast. And, um, you know,
00:38:43.820
the, as I said, the, the, because I, I, I deal with, um, the problems of women in this, in this book,
00:38:50.140
there was a limit is that I'm not one, I'm not one of, I'm one of them and I've never been,
00:38:56.300
and I will never, and I will never be. So, so clearly I, I, I couldn't, I couldn't say more than,
00:39:02.060
than my opinions. So to, to add some credibility to, to my thoughts, I, I took this approach to have
00:39:09.740
half of the book, uh, where I interviewed women on how they were actually doing it. And, uh, I found
00:39:18.220
that this part of the book was, uh, fascinating in showing us, um, that in, in reality, a lot of women
00:39:25.580
are already doing the job and they are doing this approach to gain back real freedom because
00:39:32.300
real freedom comes with autonomy, not from dependence of the state. That's right.
00:39:37.020
From the state. Now, generally though, when it comes to planning for the future,
00:39:41.740
do you think that's more of a male brain thing than a woman thing?
00:39:46.460
Well, traditionally it was not the case. If one looks at history, one sees that, um,
00:39:51.420
women are, are tend to be more conservative than men, uh, and therefore more caring about, uh,
00:39:58.140
the children at the future. It's only in the recent years then, um, then women have been, um,
00:40:06.060
less concerned about their family and the future. And this was, this was the initial paradox that I
00:40:11.740
started upon. Uh, I can give you some examples during the, during the, um, uh, French revolution 200,
00:40:18.780
200 years ago. Uh, it was the woman who wanted to keep the king. During the Iranian revolution in 1979,
00:40:27.260
it was the woman who wanted, uh, the more traditional, uh, Islamic, uh, uh, system rather than the more
00:40:35.500
modern, um, uh, Shah, uh, the kingdom. So, so sometimes in traditional societies, um, women are the,
00:40:45.500
the guardians of tradition and where men are a little bit more entrepreneur and, and want to go,
00:40:51.660
uh, more to the, to, to try new things. Today is different. Women are much less traditional than,
00:40:58.940
than it used to be. Yeah. Cause you made a comment too, in the book, you said, feminism made women so
00:41:03.540
free. They forgot to think about the future. I believe so. I believe so. I mean, we know that
00:41:09.660
family units are absolutely the best. I mean, we can't survive without that, but there's, there
00:41:15.100
has been exceptions to the rule. And I often wonder with a lot of, uh, the feminists in the early days,
00:41:20.700
if it wasn't a lot of women who weren't part of the status quo, like spinsters or lesbians or
00:41:26.860
outcasts, what do you think about that? Yes. Or bourgeois once, once again, if you, if you look at the,
00:41:32.940
at the, at the, what, what you find is that the early feminists were, um, the bourgeoisie were the,
00:41:39.100
the, the, the, the fairly wealthy, uh, not the super wealthy, but the fairly wealthy. And, um,
00:41:45.340
and it was also the, um, uh, if you look at the technically who they were, you have a lot of the,
00:41:50.860
of Jewish intelligentsia, uh, both with the communist, uh, on the communist part and also on the, um,
00:41:59.020
liberal part. So there you do find this approach of trying to make other people's happiness despite
00:42:06.300
them, which is a typical approach of, um, of those communities, which always ends in disaster,
00:42:12.220
by the way. And also I want to ask, do you know how the concept of a dual household income started
00:42:17.420
affecting the economy negatively? Well, yes, that, and also the divorce rate, because think of all the,
00:42:25.740
the, all the, the apartment, the construction that, uh, is needed because people don't, uh,
00:42:31.420
stay together. Uh, if people stay together, you have, uh, half the fridges, half the houses,
00:42:35.980
half the, half the furniture. Um, the economy has benefited enormously from the, the social,
00:42:44.700
societal disaster that has been a disorder, uh, the, the sexual revolution, divorce and all that.
00:42:51.340
I'm not saying that you shouldn't, you shouldn't be allowed to divorce or having the life you want,
00:42:56.620
but de facto, when you look at it, when you analyze it, you see that while it was a economical
00:43:02.140
success for a while, it has been a social and emotional disaster.
00:43:06.860
From the man's perspective, you know, what was the reason for limiting some of the rights of women?
00:43:11.740
I think in many cases they were, they were being protective,
00:43:14.220
not abusive like the movies portray. And some of it was just semantics. I think.
00:43:18.220
It was also the, the, one has to remember that, for example, democracy in many, many countries
00:43:27.900
was not for all men. It was only for men who had property. So it's not true that men had
00:43:37.260
rights and women don't. It was rich men who had rights and poor men and women had, didn't have those
00:43:45.820
rights. And I'm even, and even into that extent, I'm not, there was, it has never been the case that
00:43:51.660
women or other men had no rights. It was just less rights because even, even slaves had rights. Uh,
00:43:58.700
so, so one has to, one has to always look at the legal system country by country, uh, epoch by epoch.
00:44:05.900
But certainly one has to remember that this has never been, there has never been in history. Even
00:44:10.860
when men were, were more, um, uh, clearly there was a patriarchal society, for example, in, in some,
00:44:17.820
in Athens, the Athenian democracy was patriarchal, but a few hundred miles away, Sparta, Sparta was not
00:44:25.740
patriarchal. Sparta had Queens and the rights of women in Sparta were the same as men. They could
00:44:32.060
inherit, they could own land, they could, uh, divorce, they could, they, they had a lot of
00:44:36.380
land. So sometimes one has to be very, um, detail in how one looks at that. Even for example, um,
00:44:44.700
for example, if you look at war, uh, today it's, uh, it's quite funny to see, uh, the armed forces full
00:44:50.700
of men and transvestites and, and very odd, odd people to be fighters. However, one can see that
00:44:58.940
there are some incredibly strong, uh, figures of women throughout history who, who have had,
00:45:05.420
uh, uh, who were queens, who were, uh, fighters, uh, who were explorers, who were scientists,
00:45:12.620
but of course this was not the norm. This was not, uh, uh, what was common.
00:45:18.060
And some of the fighters like Boudicca was just out of sheer necessity at the time.
00:45:22.860
As well. Yeah. But the norm was that women were needed by men to help them and, and with
00:45:30.060
reciprocity to tend the fields, to tend the animals, to look after and, and, and help the,
00:45:36.220
the children, uh, be educated. And, um, and so it has never been, the war of the sexes has never
00:45:42.540
happened. The war between the genders is, is an, is an invention of cultural relativism and cultural
00:45:49.180
Marxism. Uh, people always saw themselves, uh, in good and bad times as a partnership.
00:45:55.500
And, um, and this was whether, whether it was under the, the, the, the religion of Christianity
00:46:01.660
or, or whatever, still the normal people were seeing each other with affection, with love,
00:46:07.980
but with necessity of staying together. Yeah. A lot of times people think of the matriarchal
00:46:13.500
societies as being more pagan or goddess worshipy or something, you know, twisted in their mind.
00:46:19.180
And then the, the patriarchal, they think of Christianity, but does society have to be
00:46:24.220
either or can't it be something else? It should be a blend of the two. Don't you think?
00:46:29.660
Yeah. And the, the, the, the idea of what we want in the future is something that we all need to,
00:46:35.020
to think, uh, today. And I think that the time is, is now has now come to, to really reassess
00:46:41.900
what women really want, what men really want. Because I also, I'm the one, I believe that men
00:46:48.540
are not super happy anymore. Uh, just as women are not happy anymore because you know, even if
00:46:54.460
promiscuity is high in the end, so what you have no children who look like you, you have no children
00:46:59.660
who will take care of you when you're old. Uh, it's a civilizational disaster and, uh, we cannot
00:47:05.740
regress to that. So we, we have to think hard on how we, we redesign the values that build our
00:47:12.380
societies. And to some extent we can look into the past to, to get lessons from, for, from what
00:47:19.180
worked and what, but what didn't, but also look at perhaps new, new ways to, to, to look at things.
00:47:24.860
But the safe bet is that as you, you work towards tradition, um, you are pretty safe.
00:47:32.060
Well, Piero, I, I really want to thank you and I want to be sure that you let everyone know how
00:47:36.860
they could buy your book and give us your website details.
00:47:39.580
Now the book is published by a club Orlov. People might know Dimitri Orlov, which is a
00:47:45.260
quite a famous author in the U S is has, he has started to publish books. I'm quite happy to be, uh,
00:47:50.940
one of the books he is publishing in the U S and the book can be found on Amazon. And, uh,
00:47:55.820
you just type either my name, Piero San Giorgio, uh, or a woman on the verge of societal breakdown.
00:48:02.460
And it's easy to find. And people can, of course, uh, link on my Facebook and my YouTube.
00:48:07.740
Um, I promise I will do more videos and messages in English.
00:48:11.500
Well, thank you. This is such an important topic. And I think we need to talk about this now more
00:48:15.420
than ever. The relationships between European men and women, especially are, are endangered in a lot
00:48:21.180
of ways right now. So we need to work on healing that and restoring that. So thank you so much for
00:48:26.140
writing this book and for your generous time today. You're welcome. Thank you very much.
00:48:30.780
More and more European women are starting to understand how liberal policies combined with mass
00:48:35.660
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00:48:40.220
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