Radio 3Fourteen - WWII Revisionist History

00:00:00.000 Thank you for listening.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 You can also read her work exposing the false testimony of the world's most famous Holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel, Wiesel the Weasel.

00:01:14.420 If you visit carolynneager.com, you'll find her radio program and writings.

00:01:18.960 I was inspired to do this program after iTunes censored and removed Red Ice Radio, most likely for the Dennis Weiss interview.

00:01:26.600 He's the creator of the documentary called Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told.

00:01:31.220 You can post videos of any filth and degenerate thing you can think of, but questioning any aspect of World War II history is off limits.

00:01:38.620 Isn't it obvious, ladies and gentlemen, that indeed there's an ongoing cover-up going on when you can be jailed for questioning the Holocaust?

00:01:47.480 What other event can you go to jail for questioning?

00:01:50.460 The Holocaust should be a historical event, although it's become a religion.

00:01:54.520 But if it's history, it's subject to the same kind of research and scrutiny as other past events.

00:02:00.360 And it must be subjected to critical investigation, especially by Germans who have every right to investigate since they're still paying reparations to Israel.

00:02:09.200 Have you heard of any other Holocaust where reparations of the scale were involved?

00:02:13.300 Israel is milking Germany, and generations of innocent children are told that they're to take collective responsibility for the Holocaust.

00:02:21.540 Soviets destroyed my family in Russia.

00:02:23.920 Where's my reparations?

00:02:25.360 Where's the collective guilt coming from communists?

00:02:28.520 Well, here are the claims being made by Holocaust revisionists, so it's loud and clear.

00:02:34.620 There was no plan to murder all Jews.

00:02:37.740 The Jews were not murdered systematically.

00:02:39.700 Gas chambers for mass murder did not exist.

00:02:43.960 Six million Jews did not die in the Holocaust.

00:02:48.320 Revisionists are not denying the following.

00:02:52.240 That Jews were persecuted.

00:02:53.860 That Jews were deprived of civil rights.

00:02:56.440 That Jews were deported.

00:02:58.320 That Jews were herded into ghettos.

00:03:00.680 They don't deny the existence of concentration camps or that Jews were put to forced labor.

00:03:05.080 They don't deny the existence of crematoria in concentration camps.

00:03:10.320 In fact, the capacity of the crematories were barely sufficient to cremate the bodies.

00:03:15.760 They do not deny that Jews died from a great number of reasons.

00:03:19.140 Epidemics, malnutrition, disease.

00:03:21.980 They don't deny that others were also persecuted, such as gypsies and political dissenters.

00:03:27.260 They do not claim that Jews deserved it or that we shouldn't remember victims or show compassion to them.

00:03:34.560 War is not pretty, folks, but the Allies weren't angels either.

00:03:38.640 In fact, if you take the time to watch the censored six-hour documentary called The Greatest Story Never Told,

00:03:45.580 you'll learn of the vicious, ugly atrocities the Allies committed upon innocent German women, children, and soldiers during and even after the war.

00:03:54.040 If you can understand how American elite today meddle in other countries, creating problems,

00:03:59.720 then don't be so quick to say that they were the innocent party during the Nazi era.

00:04:04.980 All right, let's bring on Carolyn Yeager.

00:04:07.280 Carolyn, welcome to the program.

00:04:09.440 Well, hello.

00:04:10.020 Thank you.

00:04:10.520 And I'm very pleased to be here.

00:04:12.580 Well, for listeners who don't know all about your terrific articles and radio programs,

00:04:16.700 tell us about your background and how you came to one of your specialties, which is Holocaust revisionism.

00:04:21.320 Wow.

00:04:23.640 Well, my background is in art, and I haven't talked about myself and my background for such a long time.

00:04:35.520 I should have boned up on it a little bit, but I don't really want to spend a lot of time going into that.

00:04:40.140 But I had a, you know, I grew, I was born and grew up in the Middle West with, in a German-American family and very normal and nice and pleasant and happy.

00:04:53.840 And I was always interested in art, and so I pursued that in school, and then I pursued that after school in various ways.

00:05:04.000 I was in commercial, worked in commercial art most of the time.

00:05:07.860 I was really interested in fashion illustration, but I majored in school in painting, but I thought, well, I'll teach, but then I didn't want to teach,

00:05:20.700 and I didn't want to continue after I got my Bachelor of Fine Arts.

00:05:25.320 I didn't want to continue after that to go on to get a Master's, so I started working in commercial art, and then I got back to painting later on.

00:05:38.940 However, in 2004, I had been living back here in the United States again, and permanently, and I kind of lost my interest in a lot of things I had been doing.

00:05:56.240 And there was the political campaign of George Bush against John Kerry that year, and I was involved with the Democrats because I hated George Bush so much.

00:06:13.640 And it was towards the end of that campaign, like in maybe October or something, that I was introduced to a man who was talking about the 9-11 fraud, and he had some videos and so on, and I found him interesting.

00:06:32.780 No one else did, but I did, and I eventually looked at his videos, and then I got going in revisionist materials, and I guess you'd say the truth movement in the beginning, and I had gotten onto the, using the Internet, kind of, I hadn't used the Internet that much earlier.

00:06:56.920 I just had, I kind of wanted to stay away from it, foolish now, I can't get away from it now, I can't leave it alone, so, but that got me going, and, you know, I went through all the stages that everybody goes through, and eventually found myself most interested in Holocaust revisionism, and National Socialism.

00:07:22.280 And I thought, you know, and I thought, you know, I really like the people who are talking about this better than the people who are against it, and so I just kept going with it, and I really felt, when I think at the time, how funny it is.

00:07:35.700 Because I really was, well, I wasn't, of course, I wasn't fearful at all, because there was nothing to be afraid of, but I was very hesitant, like, can I believe such a thing, you know, or can I go, can I continue to, what if I, you know, can I think this way, is it okay to think this way?

00:07:54.180 And that was, and then I made this big breakthrough one day that I recall very well, when I just knew it was like a big epiphany.

00:08:06.080 I had already come a long way, but I then just, everything dropped, and I knew Adolf Hitler, I'm going to talk about Adolf Hitler now, was a great man,

00:08:16.160 and all of the things that I had been feeling and, you know, looking into were true, and all, everything else was lies, and it was just like, I had this great sense of joy.

00:08:30.960 And it was because I found, I would say, the truth for me, and it's been the truth for me ever since then.

00:08:37.720 It's quite a liberating process, especially for you, probably, with your German heritage, going through the deprogramming of the anti-German lies, correct?

00:08:47.080 Yes, I mean, that played a big part in it, and that plays a big part in it, in it today, in my identity.

00:08:54.660 I think, I didn't, I wasn't thinking I was searching for my identity, but that's actually what I did find, so.

00:09:03.720 Now, if we back up a bit, being of German heritage yourself, what were you taught to believe about the Germans and the Nazis in World War II?

00:09:12.400 Well, see, I go back quite a ways.

00:09:15.360 I'm probably older than most of your guests, and certainly older than those two lovely women who you had on the last, in the last program, I believe.

00:09:27.140 I really enjoyed listening to them.

00:09:29.180 So, when I was growing up, nothing was said about any of that.

00:09:36.900 And I grew up in a town that had a lot of German people in it.

00:09:44.640 It wasn't, you wouldn't call it a German town at all.

00:09:47.220 The majority would have been English, I guess, whatever, Scottish, and so on.

00:09:52.040 But there was a large German community.

00:09:55.880 It wasn't all the different types of German communities there.

00:10:01.740 And they, so there was nothing against Germans.

00:10:06.060 And I was, I knew enough about Germany to know that it was a country with a great cultural history and past.

00:10:15.520 Even when I was young, I knew that.

00:10:17.640 I felt proud to be, or I didn't, I wouldn't say I felt proud, but I felt very secure in being German.

00:10:24.920 And my parents, once in a while I asked some questions because I did pick things up, mostly after I got into junior high and high school, just in the news.

00:10:35.880 And I remember one day looking at a magazine and there was this article, I was just in my home, there was an article about Hitler and how he had mesmerized the German people.

00:10:51.400 And it was one of those pictures of him, you know, where he's giving a speech and his mouth wide open and so on.

00:10:56.960 I think that's what it was.

00:10:58.280 And there were pictures of the people listening and being, looking like they were just, oh, and I thought, of course, I thought he was an ugly person.

00:11:06.660 I didn't like his looks.

00:11:07.800 I couldn't imagine anybody having a mustache like that and anybody being attracted to him.

00:11:14.060 And I just thought to myself, I mean, I believed it, what they were saying.

00:11:18.020 And I thought, why did the German people fall for him like that?

00:11:23.460 Why did they believe in him?

00:11:24.840 And I couldn't understand.

00:11:25.780 And I read the article, it says, because he had used these mesmerizing tactics, you know, that he had some kind of hypnotic power.

00:11:34.700 Then it had probably some criticisms of the German people and the way they were so susceptible to this.

00:11:40.620 And who knows what it all said?

00:11:42.740 But I was, I just, you know, forgot about it.

00:11:47.080 But at the time, I was bothered by it and I really wanted to understand.

00:11:51.900 And a couple of times I asked my mother, you know, why did that happen in Germany?

00:11:57.680 And she said, she told me, well, the Germans got too arrogant, or what was the word she used, too carried away with themselves.

00:12:07.280 But nobody ever apologized about it.

00:12:10.220 I did hear stories.

00:12:11.340 I did know that my grandfather was a supporter of Hitler.

00:12:16.560 He was here in the United States.

00:12:18.660 But he was for Hitler.

00:12:20.680 And he and my father used to have arguments.

00:12:23.460 We, you know, friendly kind of family, they call them arguments about that.

00:12:28.180 And I remember them doing that.

00:12:30.040 And my father said Hitler was bad for Germany.

00:12:34.460 And my grandfather said Hitler was good for Germany.

00:12:36.840 But after the, after Pearl Harbor and after, you know, we got into war with Germany, he stopped doing that.

00:12:47.400 And he had a business, too, you know.

00:12:49.860 And he, supposedly, he says, well, maybe Hitler wasn't so good after all.

00:12:55.440 But I imagine he probably still liked him.

00:12:57.360 He just couldn't really stand up for him anymore, what with all the horrible stories coming out and so on.

00:13:04.420 Have you lost friends because of your interest in Holocaust revisionism?

00:13:08.600 I would, but I don't, I don't talk to people too much about it.

00:13:14.160 And I don't have the kind of friends that I did, you know, since, since this time, I've made most, I spend an awful lot of, most of my time on online.

00:13:25.440 And I meet people there.

00:13:27.200 And so I have all these friends online.

00:13:29.800 And I don't keep up.

00:13:31.280 I had a, I had a couple of friends who, who learned about me.

00:13:38.400 And she, she just, she, they were very liberal.

00:13:41.520 In fact, she was in the Democratic Party when I was campaigning with the Democrats.

00:13:46.160 And she, we got to be good friends.

00:13:49.300 And she was, she just thought, oh, well, you know.

00:13:55.340 But eventually, it, it did break up our friendship because I couldn't stop bringing up the Jews.

00:14:01.900 And she just hated for me to ever bring up the Jews.

00:14:05.640 But every time we'd get into it, she was very political too.

00:14:08.540 So we'd start discussing politics, one thing or another.

00:14:13.160 And I finally would have to say, well, you know, it's the Jews doing this, whatever.

00:14:16.720 I could not bring the, you know, I couldn't keep them out of it.

00:14:19.980 And she'd say, oh, not the Jews again.

00:14:21.960 Oh, my God.

00:14:22.740 And actually, it got me kind of unpleasant.

00:14:25.760 And, and I just stopped seeing her.

00:14:28.360 So, yeah, you know, it, it's, it's a, it's a huge divide.

00:14:32.860 Yeah, it's really unfortunate that people, I mean, even in the truth or seen or alternative research,

00:14:37.840 it's incredible watching the reactions from these so-called alt researchers who immediately show their truth-seeking threshold wall

00:14:44.580 and won't even give a second to the subject.

00:14:46.420 And immediately they side with the mainstream view against Nazi Germany,

00:14:49.960 even though they know that history is written by the victor.

00:14:53.240 So it's pretty amazing for me to see, even in the alt scene, how people take a stance against Germany.

00:14:59.860 Well, it is, it is for me too.

00:15:01.900 And I, I've stopped trying to understand it because it's just a matter of, of people don't feel that there's any benefit they could get.

00:15:10.800 If they don't have any connections, say like I did, you know, where I really wanted to know,

00:15:15.520 and I felt a familiarity somehow with, with everything I learned about Germany during World War II.

00:15:24.040 But if they don't have that, and there's nothing, nothing to benefit them at all from opening up to it or thinking differently about it.

00:15:32.980 That's the only thing I can say is why they don't.

00:15:35.860 And for me, I'd say it matters because truth matters.

00:15:38.680 So we should be digging into these things, especially if we are truth seekers or if we're journalists, we need to dig deeper.

00:15:45.780 We need to find out and pull out the truth.

00:15:48.240 But why do you think historical revisionism is important and necessary?

00:15:52.800 Because there's a lot of it going around right now.

00:15:54.940 Well, what you just said, because there are always people, there are always people who want the truth.

00:16:03.680 And after World War I, it was clear that a lot of, a lot was done that was wrong to, to Germany.

00:16:11.180 And there were people who were called revisionists, like Harry Elmore Barnes, just for one, I can't think of all their names,

00:16:19.940 but who started writing, you know, questioning things and writing different versions and looking into the history

00:16:27.560 and bringing out information that was being suppressed and so on.

00:16:31.920 And they, they were not welcome in the academic, you know, accepted circles, but they weren't as dismissed.

00:16:42.760 They were still listened to and people would discuss back and forth with them and so on.

00:16:48.040 They had a certain amount of respect at that time.

00:16:51.160 But after World War II, that was a different story, you know, it was just a different kind of a slapdown

00:16:59.820 that nobody was allowed to, to have a different version of history or a different point of view.

00:17:06.660 So, well, people respond to revisionism very well.

00:17:11.080 A lot of people that, the ones that listen to it, I think the others don't want to hear it.

00:17:18.360 For the most part.

00:17:21.180 So, they, they just don't want to get into it.

00:17:23.780 And it, they find, they don't find it interesting.

00:17:26.220 People want to live their life.

00:17:27.620 They don't want to be troubled with having to take a stand on something unpopular.

00:17:32.300 But you asked me, I guess, why it's important.

00:17:34.600 Well, the only reason I could ever come up with the same as you is because we want to know the truth.

00:17:39.440 But people will say, it is true.

00:17:41.480 I think that people are not very interested in truth, really.

00:17:49.520 Most people.

00:17:51.800 Truth is something that people will look for that, that fits in with their, with what they want to believe.

00:17:59.520 And if it doesn't fit in, then they'll deny it.

00:18:02.280 So, just plain truth seeking.

00:18:05.040 I mean, you know, I don't know how much we are.

00:18:08.040 I think a lot of it, we get, we get certain political ideas, but I use that word pretty broadly.

00:18:13.860 We, we get, we feel sympathetic along certain lines.

00:18:18.080 And then we're, we're more open to that as truth.

00:18:21.700 And if you're sympathetic along other lines, and there's so many leftists in the world who are, for some reason, are convinced of that, then they're, then they're just not going to want to want to, they're not going to want to hear things that are, that oppose that, even if, if it can be proved that it's the truth.

00:18:45.480 I'd say the Holocaust is a really important one to focus on, too, because it's the, the moral cornerstone, I'd say, of the entire, this post-war order.

00:18:55.320 They stand on this cornerstone of the Holocaust, and they put all, their whole version of history depends on this being real.

00:19:02.580 So, that's why they're imprisoning people who are challenging it, even presenting, you know, scientific accuracy surrounding Holocaust claims.

00:19:09.100 So, it's amazing that it's not illegal in U.S. yet, considering our Zionist-occupied government.

00:19:15.040 And I know recently Putin made it illegal to question any aspect of the Holocaust.

00:19:19.260 Do you think that may be coming here to the States?

00:19:22.480 Well, I hope not.

00:19:24.120 And, and I don't even like to say what you just said, which so many people do.

00:19:30.200 Well, it's amazing.

00:19:31.020 It won't be long before we won't be able to talk about it here.

00:19:33.920 I think that's a big mistake to ever say that we should just say, of course, you know, we have free speech here and whatever, because, you know, it gets people kind of ready for things.

00:19:45.140 Yeah, I see what you do.

00:19:45.800 You know, they say, oh, well, we're so lucky.

00:19:48.000 We still can talk about it, but it won't be long.

00:19:50.780 And then we're sort of prepared for, to let it go.

00:19:54.460 We cannot let it go.

00:19:56.120 My God, that, that would be, that's kind of like the dark ages then, because, have descended.

00:20:02.100 Because, yeah, and I'm very disturbed about Putin doing what he did.

00:20:08.020 Of course, he was, you know, Russia had its own point of view on the whole history, but he didn't have, it wasn't so against the law.

00:20:16.400 And there were, there are some revisionists living in Russia who have been working there.

00:20:21.780 And I don't know if this will make it more difficult for them.

00:20:25.360 It's difficult enough already.

00:20:27.040 So, it's not a good thing that he's going ahead and passed these laws.

00:20:33.200 And I can't really figure out, you know, I know he's, you know, what he's doing in the world today.

00:20:38.960 But I can't figure out if that, if there was, if that fits into what he's, what his aims and agenda are today.

00:20:49.260 Or if it's just something separate that they thought they should do to make sure that they can have, that they can keep people from, from practicing revisionism in Germany.

00:21:04.740 But it's, that, that's a sign that it's getting worse and stronger, which is, I guess, what you are getting at.

00:21:11.060 That it's, it's getting worse instead of better.

00:21:14.840 That's why we need more people to wake up to the subject and more people to talk about it.

00:21:19.120 So, for those who are new to the subject, what does Holocaust revisionism claim?

00:21:24.320 Because a lot of people think these things that are completely untrue.

00:21:27.640 So, let's talk about the points that it does claim.

00:21:29.960 Well, you know, it's always been said that the three major points of Holocaust, that the Holocaust depends on, are the six million number, the, the intention of the Germans to, to exterminate all these Jews, as many as they could, or eventually all or whatever, that they had a plan.

00:21:54.320 So, that would be called the plan.

00:21:56.780 And then the third thing was, what was the third thing?

00:22:02.820 The gas, that it was done in gas chambers.

00:22:06.520 Yeah.

00:22:07.200 And so, in a sense, without the gas chambers, there's not really a Holocaust.

00:22:13.320 Without the six million, there's not.

00:22:15.180 And without them, there being a plan, there's, there's not.

00:22:19.680 Although, I don't, now, you know, I've, you might have noticed on my website that I have a block there that you can click on and go to a site called January27.org.

00:22:31.960 And that's a site that I've, that I am maintaining since it went up last January.

00:22:39.120 And it's basically only, you know, gets real pertinent around January.

00:22:44.120 But I was, I went there real quick to make sure I had those three items right.

00:22:50.840 But, you know, there's a number of things that have kind of, well, these are things to question about it.

00:22:59.800 But these three things.

00:23:01.060 And, of course, nobody would really, so many people now say, well, I don't know about the six million.

00:23:09.540 So, you know, but there was a lot, you know, but it might not have been six million.

00:23:15.880 What if it's four million?

00:23:16.860 And then people like to say, well, if there was only one million or if there's only 100 people that were killed like that, it's still a Holocaust.

00:23:27.520 I've heard that.

00:23:28.100 Yep.

00:23:28.780 Doesn't make sense.

00:23:29.800 Yep.

00:23:29.920 And, and, of course, the plan has been written about and written about because they've never found any evidence of one.

00:23:37.100 So then they make up this thing called code words and so on that they really meant this, even though they didn't say it.

00:23:45.440 And then, of course, the gas chambers are in the process of being debunked.

00:23:51.360 And they have been, but people, new people come along or some people decide to change their mind.

00:23:58.000 Like David Irving and say, well, there were some gas things, but not at Auschwitz.

00:24:05.100 But, you know, this, this website, January 27th, if anybody is interested in, in the basics of the Holocaust, I, I would really recommend it because it's based on only Auschwitz-Bear Canal.

00:24:19.940 And because that is what the January 27th commemoration is based on because that was the date of the liberation of Auschwitz-Bear Canal, the date they've given it and what they call the liberation of it.

00:24:34.580 It really was never truly liberated, but, but it, it, it gives, it's very basic because at one time, the whole Holocaust was about Auschwitz, what happened at Auschwitz-Bear Canal.

00:24:46.640 Now, and they had 4 million people gas there, you know, which has come down now.

00:24:53.460 Now they claim 1.1 million, but, but when that goes, which it's, and this whole site is about what really happened, what didn't happen, what's said and so on.

00:25:06.300 I think it's very good, and it, you know, if you would read the whole thing, you could hardly believe in it anymore.

00:25:13.320 And when Auschwitz goes, you know, the whole, the whole thing goes, but the, because of that, the attention has been drawn, has been moved to particularly those camps in the east, Belzec, Soberborg, and, and Treblinka.

00:25:32.680 And Treblinka's been in the news a lot lately, and a lot of people are working on that, because they've decided, well, there was more, there are more Jews killed in gas chambers than in those camps, and a couple others around there.

00:25:45.940 Eric Hunt, Eric Hunt did a documentary.

00:25:47.720 Yes, yes, Eric Hunt, yeah.

00:25:49.640 And he's, he's working on another one now.

00:25:52.440 He has three major documentaries out, major what you'd call films, you know, full-length films now, but I still think his first one is the best, and it was really quite a stunner, an eye-opener, because he brought in a lot of things.

00:26:10.860 And that was one called, the, the big lie of the, what's the, Spielberg.

00:26:16.320 Spielberg, yes, thank you.

00:26:17.400 Oh, yeah.

00:26:17.840 Yeah, Spielberg interviews and so on, the Spielberg film about, something about dying in it, and he played, he made a play on that, on that title, for his title.

00:26:30.440 It's very, very, very, very good, but his others are good, too, but I think that's the best one.

00:26:34.760 It's hard sometimes to beat your first, the first thing you do.

00:26:37.680 Yes, it's true.

00:26:38.260 Well, here's the thing, when we say Holocaust people, what they see in their mind is just piles of bodies in concentration camps, but they died from typhus, and there's a tremendous difference between being victims of raging epidemics and victims of this planned industrial mass murder and chemical slaughterhouses made for homicide, you know, so that's the big point we need to stress here.

00:27:00.640 Well, I think you're on to something there, and Fritz Berg would be happy to talk to you, I'm sure.

00:27:07.060 I don't know whether I should be promoting that, but he's been, he just recently came out again.

00:27:14.280 This is something he said before, that the key to a Holocaust, killing the Holocaust, if you might say, is typhus, is to emphasize the typhus, and he's researched it quite a bit, and he has a lot to say about how those people in Eastern Europe were just big carriers of typhus, and when they got moved, and when they were all put together,

00:27:41.440 and he will talk about how they hated to bathe, and they hated to change their clothes, and they saw all that as a punishment for them when they were detained, and then they were forced to take showers, and move their clothing, and then they shaved, and so on, yeah.

00:28:00.960 Yeah, and that was all, that all really fueled the idea that they were being persecuted, and then they turned that into, well, we went into these shower rooms, and people were killed with gas, and it just all came from there, you know.

00:28:17.700 It came from the shower rooms that they turned into gas chambers in their minds, and they had all these rumors going around in the camps, and then there were the Polish resistance that was, because the camps were in Poland, and the Polish resistance was very active, and they really should have, they were, they were in a sense, the Germans in a sense were too nice to the Poles.

00:28:44.980 They had all these Poles working in these places, and they managed to do all kinds of secret underground work, and send radio messages, and so on.

00:28:57.980 And they started all those big lies about gas chambers, and so on.

00:29:03.840 So, and what you were saying earlier really fits in here about what people believe, because the fact that people took hold of these stories, and of course, the governments that were fighting, that were against Germany, loved them.

00:29:21.240 And so they played them up, and the media played them up, and it became such a solid thing, that afterwards, you can't get rid of it.

00:29:30.700 Like in the past wars, you know, there's always war propaganda, and usually afterwards, it takes a while, and it's a lot of work, but that's what these revisionists are doing.

00:29:44.900 They're, you know, exposing these things as propaganda, and eventually people would get back on a more normal stance about it, but not this time.

00:29:56.480 Not after World War II, I do believe that the powers, those joint powers were absolutely determined, and the Jewish power too, which was a separate power that worked with them, and within them, and so on, was absolutely determined to never let Germany be rehabilitated from this.

00:30:17.140 Yeah.

00:30:17.440 Keep it, and that's what they've still been able to do.

00:30:20.480 What do you think their hatred comes from, the Allies, the Soviets in America at the time, England?

00:30:26.060 Why did they hate Germany so much?

00:30:29.000 Well, there's been a lot of work done on the competitive spirit that went back to the 1870s, and probably could take it back a little bit before,

00:30:42.260 but basically, around then, when Germany was a younger country, as a united country, it had been separate, you know, German states under different kinds of rulers that all considered themselves German,

00:30:57.260 German, but now Bismarck managed to, and actually Frederick the Great before him, but he managed to unite all these into one German, Prussian federal state.

00:31:14.380 It wasn't the entire thing yet, but it was a big united Germany, and Germans are very industrious and hardworking people, very capable,

00:31:24.120 and so once they, you know, they started going into manufacturing, and so on, in a way that was competition for Britain,

00:31:34.420 and the French were always jealous and competitive with Germany, because they were next-door neighbors,

00:31:41.060 and then the United States, which might be a surprise to Americans, and it certainly was for me,

00:31:47.600 and it took quite a while for it to sink in, for me, to think of the United States as being such a power-hungry,

00:31:57.940 oh, maybe I shouldn't use it, but ambitious, ambitious kind of people that really wanted to be number one,

00:32:08.320 and even over Britain, and so, and then Russia, the same thing, was a big power,

00:32:14.340 and so everybody saw Germany as going to, as taking up, and not wanting, not wanting to let Germany have its, you know,

00:32:23.560 get, get into a major power the way it wanted to, and Germany did want to be a major power,

00:32:29.340 because it felt like it was, like it was, you know, it felt like it was just as good as the others,

00:32:35.300 and just as strong, and, and wanted to show what it could be, all that it could be,

00:32:40.440 so I just, it's just strange that, because these countries were all around Germany,

00:32:46.660 and they could kind of unite, and say, okay, we'll, we'll defeat Germany,

00:32:50.980 and they did that, whether they were fully conscious all the time, or had some big plan together,

00:32:56.880 or they just kind of worked out between, you know, sometimes it was France and Russia,

00:33:02.860 sometimes it was France and Britain, and of course it was a lot, was Britain and the United States,

00:33:08.720 and they were, they all thought that, that it was Germany that they wanted to get rid of,

00:33:17.160 and when, well, that's what I think, I don't think it's, I think it's purely economic,

00:33:25.460 and how, how, how much you can be the strongest one, the strongest guy on the block,

00:33:31.060 and this is something that happened between white people, see, and this is what we did,

00:33:36.900 and to think that my, I'm very skeptical now, and I wasn't always, but I have in the last year

00:33:45.280 become more skeptical of what you, of uniting white people on a worldwide scale like this in some way

00:33:54.600 that we could all work together for our common interests, because our history doesn't show,

00:34:01.180 and we don't show it now either, that we can really work together the way it would be necessary to do so.

00:34:08.920 That's, that's not our nature, you know, to, our nature is being so individualistic,

00:34:14.320 and we're separated in so many ways that while we can, while we can think, you know,

00:34:21.060 oh, we'd like to do this, we, you know, we know it would be good, but I don't see that,

00:34:27.420 that we could do it, so I think we have to take a different approach.

00:34:30.640 Well, I don't think there's any uniting with these leftist whites, but I think that the other ones

00:34:34.940 that aren't leftists will have a strong possibility of uniting, because we're now becoming minorities

00:34:39.960 in our lands, and we have a, a same common enemy, if you will, so I, I do see a uniting happening

00:34:46.560 that will take place, and who knows, maybe we'll go find and make our own country somewhere else.

00:34:51.380 We'll claim, claim Greenland.

00:34:53.060 I think you have to have a base, I think you have to have a geographical base, and when

00:34:59.500 we have all these bases all around, that's what makes it harder to, to, and, to actually

00:35:08.400 say, well, we're all, we're all one, which you almost have to do, because who's going to

00:35:13.180 lead, somebody's got to lead things.

00:35:14.920 Yeah.

00:35:15.040 I do believe that nothing gets done unless you have a leader, and we don't, and I, that's

00:35:22.500 why I think we have to have separate, separate parts of ourselves with, with that, with leaders,

00:35:28.360 and we can't even find leaders for, for these, and of course they make it very difficult, because

00:35:32.880 as soon as you get a strong leader, they make sure that something happens to them, so we're

00:35:38.220 up against tremendous power, tremendously, and highly organized power today that I, I

00:35:46.000 continually become more respectful of, you might say, because I'm realizing that it's

00:35:52.900 not something that, that, because they're not, they don't intend to let go.

00:35:59.440 No, they don't.

00:36:00.600 Well, that's why I think it's another important reason to expose the reality concerning the

00:36:04.640 Nazis, because the left loves to use that as their number one weapon to morally justify

00:36:09.560 the destruction of any Europeans who stand up for their culture, nation, and for their

00:36:13.840 folk.

00:36:14.200 Right away, they scream, Nazi, like it's a bad thing, right?

00:36:17.980 Oh, I'm 100% with you there.

00:36:20.220 100%, and that, that, I think, is the message that has to go out.

00:36:26.180 That's basically my message, but there are people who say, well, we don't want to.

00:36:32.480 There is the faction that's very pro-white that says, well, but we don't want to talk

00:36:37.360 about Nazis because of, you know, that's, that's a dead end.

00:36:41.100 That, we'll never get over that, you know, that, we'll never get over the, the animosity

00:36:46.120 or the, the distrust of that whole regime, and we fought them in the war, and how can we

00:36:52.100 now, you know, be standing up for them?

00:36:54.020 We should just drop that, so that's one of the big debates going on, is whether, whether

00:36:59.740 to talk, whether to use Holocaust and, and national socialism as, to stand up for it,

00:37:08.920 or whether to, to say, that's bad news for us, and let's drop it, and let's just talk

00:37:15.920 about white rights, and so on.

00:37:17.820 Yeah.

00:37:18.020 Well, I'm not a socialist, but looking into national socialism and thinking what of, what's

00:37:22.900 occurring to our folk today, if there was a system where like-minded folk had excellence,

00:37:27.600 high culture, family, and real success and prosperity in mind, then, heck yeah, I'd contribute

00:37:32.840 to that system.

00:37:34.060 Instead, today we're asked to be socialists for the world, which is essentially communism.

00:37:38.660 The Nazis didn't have a socialist system like we'd think of it today.

00:37:41.780 I think, number one, it had the folk in mind, it was about the interests of the nation and

00:37:45.580 the nation only, they didn't send aid to Africa, national socialism was business friendly, worker

00:37:50.740 friendly, family friendly, they paid lower taxes than we do, it was anti-usury, and people

00:37:56.220 weren't sick and starving, I know everyone was expected to contribute, and degenerate

00:38:00.920 art and behavior was not promoted, but it wasn't banned like the commies today who will put

00:38:05.540 you in jail for art.

00:38:07.140 I know the Nazis even banned experimenting on animals for research purposes, and of course

00:38:11.700 women were encouraged to have babies, and companies didn't outsource work to foreign

00:38:16.380 countries.

00:38:16.900 So what more can you tell us about the Nazis' system?

00:38:19.440 Well, economically, yeah, I think the, well, I'm not an expert on that, and just off hand,

00:38:29.040 but that's what I've, that's my understanding, that they did, although a lot was asked of

00:38:36.200 German people eventually, you know, a lot of sacrifice, but a lot was done for them as

00:38:42.780 much as could be possible.

00:38:44.940 What impresses me in what you were first saying there is the literature.

00:38:51.680 I think the National Socialist literature is just fantastic.

00:38:55.120 Well, it just, I love it, it inspires me, I think it's, I just love the way, and I only

00:39:03.080 read translations of it, but I like the way the Germans and under National Socialism, they

00:39:10.580 really did have a, had to have a very, they had a cohesiveness about them, and they sounded

00:39:19.860 the same, you know, they, they accepted a lot of basic premises, and that's what they

00:39:25.280 taught and put forth, and there wasn't, there was some division, you know, in the, amongst

00:39:31.400 the higher ranks, and so on, and probably always personality disputes, and so on, but in the

00:39:37.060 literature, it's so, it's so consistent, and particularly, I like the literature for the

00:39:42.860 young people, if you go over to that website, Calvin, edu, calvin.edu, or whatever, where,

00:39:53.100 where there's, bit, is his name, Randolph, bit works website, where he has all this German

00:40:02.740 propaganda material translated from National Socialist Germany from those years, actually,

00:40:09.720 starting in the 20s, and going all the way through 44, and so, and the, some of the material

00:40:18.080 for school kids, particularly school girls, since you're female, you deal with these women's

00:40:24.060 issues, and so on, the material for school girls is so good, and they don't, they tell the

00:40:32.080 truth, it's all very sound racial teaching, but it's done in such a way that I, I just

00:40:40.340 don't think you can help keep from feeling good about it, and approving of it, they did

00:40:46.220 a great job of what people, what it's called propagandists, they say, oh, they're brainwashing

00:40:50.700 these kids, well, every, all kids are brainwashed, wherever they are in the world, so it's, it's

00:40:56.180 how you do it, but the way it was done, I thought was, is very sensitive, and very nice

00:41:03.380 to the kids, and, and it, it, it's, it tries to push them in a certain way, you know, guide

00:41:10.400 and lead them in a certain way, but never at their, I don't think, at their detriment,

00:41:15.580 never to hurt them, and so, yeah, I think if, I think if a lot of this was exposed in the

00:41:23.320 right way, people would be influenced by it, I was just reading about, yeah, eugenics,

00:41:29.500 I think if people would understand eugenics, and read about it in its proper, in its proper

00:41:40.440 way, without the, the hostile, hostility toward it, nobody could argue about it, it's so good,

00:41:48.460 you know, it's so good for people, it's so sound, it makes so much sense,

00:41:53.320 and so, some of these things, and of course, at one time, in, in all these other, all our

00:42:00.440 other white countries, it was being accepted, and, and approved of, and putting, and being

00:42:05.660 put in practice, but now it's demonized, it's, oh yeah, but then, in one instance, they went

00:42:11.440 and took some, some Negro people, and they did some experiments on them, that they didn't

00:42:16.560 do on anybody else, you know, always find these particular exceptions, that they can,

00:42:22.040 make it look bad, oh yeah, yeah, exactly, well, through your research, what were some

00:42:27.760 of the biggest misconceptions of the Nazis that you discovered, things that you thought,

00:42:31.760 and then later on, you're like, oh no, that's not how it is at all, oh, I, well, I think,

00:42:39.600 you know, the biggest one is the Holocaust, that it, for, for a while, I realized that there

00:42:46.200 was a lot of lies about it, but I kept thinking, well, there must be something true about it,

00:42:51.080 I mean, there must be something to it, and that was when, when I had that epiphany, when

00:42:57.180 I thought, I don't have to believe in that at all, you know, that was part of it, I don't

00:43:01.000 have to keep saying, well, it must be, all these people couldn't be lying, and, and there

00:43:06.220 must have been something happening, that was, that was the big bugaboo, I think, because,

00:43:11.520 you know, I remember when, when that movie, I'm going to start forgetting again, Sophie's Choice

00:43:19.900 came out with that very popular movie actress, and when I went to see that, yeah, Meryl Streep,

00:43:26.380 when I went to see that, I didn't have any doubt that it was all true, you know, I didn't,

00:43:31.740 I never questioned anything like that, so, and, and a friend of mine said, surprised me

00:43:41.420 once, a woman I worked with, when that, in the 70s, when the, when the Holocaust series

00:43:47.720 was on TV, and I wasn't watching it, but some, some, some people were talking about it, and

00:43:54.080 she said, well, none of that's true, she said, that didn't happen, it didn't happen, I thought,

00:43:58.960 she nuts, I really liked this woman, I thought she was, I knew she was very intelligent,

00:44:03.800 and I couldn't believe she was saying that, and I said, what are you talking about, of

00:44:08.060 course it happened, and she said, no, no, it didn't, didn't, and she's going on, and I

00:44:14.880 don't know what she knew then, or how she did, she was Swedish too, a background, Swedish

00:44:20.600 background, and, and, but I didn't, didn't, I thought, of course, of course it did, so I

00:44:28.020 was, that was a big change for me, and, but it didn't, it wasn't hard once I was ready

00:44:35.480 for it, you know, once I get into the whole thing, now, whatever, what else about the,

00:44:41.000 that, that shocked me, I would say, nothing, just that, my view of Adolf Hitler changed

00:44:49.280 so much, because I, up until after 2004, I had never thought about him, or I had any

00:44:58.720 idea, except that I didn't, you know, have a, I didn't, I thought he looked, he was funny

00:45:04.280 looking, um, weird looking, and, uh, and once I started reading, um, opinions of other people

00:45:13.240 who liked him, I, right, I real quickly started, uh, changing, and opening up to that, and it

00:45:21.160 made me feel good to do so, so, um.

00:45:24.620 Well, I think you pick up on the spirit of truth, I, I feel very strongly about that, you

00:45:29.220 can feel it.

00:45:30.060 Oh, yes, I do, too, and, and certainly truth for you, um, I, I do believe there is truth,

00:45:37.340 because there are some things that happen, and some things didn't happen, and, you know,

00:45:41.120 there's no, what, no two ways about it, but, uh, at the same time, yeah, I think that when

00:45:47.200 it's true for you, particularly, and see, this was truth for me, that I had never, I had just

00:45:53.880 not, uh, engaged myself in, and, uh, once I did, I, it just was like a, a rush, you know,

00:46:01.960 I just loved it, I just kept reading things, and so on, so, it, this was truth for me, something

00:46:07.720 that I needed, and I suppose, uh, it wouldn't be for everybody, you can't think that, uh, that

00:46:15.680 everybody is going to be, uh, is, wants to hear the same things, um, I, it, one thing

00:46:23.040 is that I would like to see, um, I'm kind of, I'm kind of a person that, uh, I would like

00:46:29.100 to see everybody think that, you know, not think the same way, but everybody agree, and

00:46:33.420 then we wouldn't have to fight about it anymore, wouldn't that be great, and, uh, but I have

00:46:37.300 to admit that, um, that might not be such a great world after all, and in any case, it's

00:46:43.260 not going to happen, because there's always people on both sides of everything, and they,

00:46:50.780 they, it's just, we have to live with it, and in this case, it's painful to live with, uh,

00:46:57.360 because of, uh, the consequences, uh, that are taking place from it, and I don't think we

00:47:03.300 should just live with it, I think we should keep fighting it, but, um, there's always going

00:47:07.080 to be people, uh, on two sides of, of every issue.

00:47:10.580 Yeah, that's right.

00:47:12.020 Yeah, I mean, I, I started listening to a lot of Hitler speeches, and I was like, wow,

00:47:16.100 he's speaking out against many of the same things we're talking about, and conspiracy

00:47:19.980 folks are also speaking out against, so I'm surprised that some of these people then turn

00:47:24.300 their back on some of the things that Hitler said, and don't even want to look into World

00:47:28.600 War II history, the true side of it, the revisionist side, because he was saying a lot of the

00:47:33.420 same things, he's warning about globalism, he's warning about communism, I mean,

00:47:36.940 everything he said is, has, is coming true, too.

00:47:40.940 He was an extremely intelligent man, and he was, uh, kind of a psychic in a way, I don't

00:47:48.700 want to use that word really, but he was, uh, sensitive to inspiration and incoming thoughts

00:47:56.100 and ideas that just came, you know, um, because his mind would be kind of a, looking, looking

00:48:04.700 for things, he, uh, I guess a seeker or something, and then that can happen, but he, he had a lot

00:48:10.880 of experiences, uh, of what you'd call, um, inner messages and so on, and, uh, from the time he was

00:48:19.100 young, and he listened to them. When he did listen to them, it was amazing. We have some examples of

00:48:25.600 like that, uh, I think it was, it might have been the first time there was an assassination attempt

00:48:30.500 on him, but it was back in the, uh, kind of early days, and he was giving a, a speech in the, in the,

00:48:36.780 this place in Munich where they were holding their, their yearly memorial for the ones that had died

00:48:44.480 in that beer hall, which, and he was there giving his, his annual speech, and then he said a voice,

00:48:51.400 something said into him, something said to him, you know, um, uh, you need to leave, you need to leave

00:48:58.340 right away, you need to leave, and, uh, and he, he listened to it, good for him, you know, uh, and he left,

00:49:05.080 he, he excused himself and left, and a bomb went off shortly after that, right at the podium where

00:49:11.520 he was speaking, and it killed a number of people, too. That was the one set by that George Elson or

00:49:17.220 whatever. He always got things like that. He was, he was a highly, I would say, evolved, uh, human being,

00:49:25.620 and it's interesting because he's portrayed as such a horrible thing. People try and say he was really

00:49:32.260 a closet gay, and he was funded by Jews, and he was in the occult. I've heard it all. It's just like.

00:49:37.920 Those are the things that make me angriest. Um, I, I hate that stuff. I hate all that occult stuff that

00:49:44.920 they try to pin on him, and I hate the, of course, the gay stuff, and the Jew stuff. Well, those are the

00:49:51.100 three big ones, I guess, um, that, uh, a lot of people will still believe. Uh, well, I think we're

00:49:58.280 reaching people, and, uh, I, I'm not really so negative about it, but, um, I'm not negative about

00:50:07.740 it because you have, you have to think that, that the truth will eventually prevail because it seems

00:50:14.440 like it does, although we may be believing big lies from way back in the past, and we don't know

00:50:20.840 that they are. Who knows? Maybe a hundred years from now, Hitler is going to be some other kind

00:50:25.160 of mythological hero. We'll see. Well, you've translated into English the writings of patriotic

00:50:31.820 Germans who were there and give their real life account. What did you discover in some of those

00:50:36.340 writings? Right. Well, I, uh, I didn't translate it myself. Uh, I don't want to give the wrong

00:50:42.480 impression here, but I did, uh, help, uh, the, uh, German speaker who translated them, and I was, uh,

00:50:50.160 not involved in the, the, uh, translation of, uh, of Willy Wenger's families, uh, his and his brother's

00:50:57.680 writings, but, um, but I did edit all of this stuff, and, uh, so I got very involved with it. One of the

00:51:05.220 best pieces are, uh, uh, the Anschluss of Austria, it's called on my website, but it's, the title of

00:51:13.300 it is actually The Great Hope, The German Reich, and this was written by Willy Wenger, whose brother,

00:51:19.460 uh, Leopold, was, uh, what you could call, I guess, a war hero. He, he was killed at the very last, uh, in

00:51:28.980 April of 1945, you know, on a, on a flight mission, or he had, he had landed, this crash landing, but he,

00:51:38.440 he died from, he bled to death after he landed, because there was nobody around, and he had a

00:51:44.240 wound in his back, which he couldn't reach or do anything about, um, but, uh, his younger brother,

00:51:50.960 Willie, uh, kept, uh, you know, was, uh, kind of the, his, the keeper of all, all that stuff about his

00:51:58.160 brother, and for his brother, and, um, and for the family, and they were just, they were such a great

00:52:04.980 family. They were Austrians, and, uh, Willie was, uh, just like 10 or so, um, 9 or 10 went in, uh, 1938,

00:52:18.420 when the Anschluss took, took place, but his brother was, uh, Leopold, uh, Leopold was a little

00:52:25.080 older, and he was in the Hitler Youth, and he was, uh, a leader in the Hitler Youth, and he, uh, he wrote

00:52:31.280 in his diary, these, uh, he was only, like, uh, he was keeping a diary when he was 14, 15, uh, and it's

00:52:39.800 just amazing how, how well he did all this, how well he kept account of everything, and all the

00:52:46.060 information we'd get from it, and, uh, so this story here, though, that, that Willie wrote about

00:52:52.640 the German, the, uh, the Anschluss in Austria, and how the people reacted, and how much they, uh,

00:53:00.340 wanted it, and how happy they were. There was so much joy all over Austria when that took place,

00:53:07.440 and then it was portrayed as that they were invaded, and this was forced upon them, and, uh,

00:53:14.300 and they were, uh, you know, they, they suffered, and so on. It wasn't until just recently that

00:53:20.680 finally, uh, it's, it's come out, and it's because the Jews, uh, don't want to let Austria off the

00:53:28.500 hook that they say, no, they really, they were really collaborating with, with Hitler all along,

00:53:34.100 and they really wanted it, and they were really Nazis, too. Well, they were, um, and, uh, but

00:53:39.920 this, this, this is a great article, and then, uh, in Leopold's articles, um, or his diary,

00:53:46.660 uh, and his, uh, letters home all during the war as a, as a pilot, um, but he also has this thing

00:53:56.760 from, uh, uh, uh, well, let's see, um, here, it's, it's in the first section under Leopold Wenger,

00:54:04.140 uh, Hitler Youth, uh, The Days of Our Revolution, and this is when, in his diary, he, he, uh,

00:54:12.760 writes, uh, before it happened, starting on February 12, 1938, and then he's got entries,

00:54:21.480 uh, um, all up until, um, let's see, February, March, um, his last entry is in, uh, March, uh,

00:54:33.800 20th, when the, uh, first German troops arrived, they were waiting for them, and just the excitement,

00:54:41.500 the, uh, what he was doing as a Hitler Youth leader, and, uh, uh, how, how intense they felt

00:54:48.940 about all of this, it's one of the best things, I think, if people would, uh, haven't read any

00:54:54.540 of this, to read this one, Days of Our Revolution, um, in the, uh, Leopold Wenger section, uh, it,

00:55:01.720 it shows, um, that these, these were German, you know, Austrians are Germans, I'm sure you

00:55:09.680 know, and, and, uh, they're, they, they looked to Germany in those years in the 30s, when Germany

00:55:16.740 was, kept getting better and better under Adolf Hitler, and, uh, they wanted to be a part

00:55:23.280 of it, and their, their own country was held back, because they were so small, and they didn't

00:55:28.320 have, uh, the kind of industrial base, or natural resources, or anything, so they remained

00:55:33.520 poor, which is what the others wanted them to be, uh, and, uh, and so they just yearned

00:55:39.820 to, uh, to be a part of what was going on in, in, to the north of them, and finally it happened,

00:55:46.880 so, and Willie talks, uh, usually mentions, um, he, he, in a way, I suppose, feels that he

00:55:55.380 has to make some excuses, not to me, but to the people, people in general, you know, uh,

00:56:01.380 who would see, see it as wrong, uh, that he talks about, that it was based on their idealism,

00:56:07.780 he said, you can see our idealism at this time, and that's really, um, you know, what the

00:56:15.140 National Socialist Experience was all about, I think, it, it was so idealistic, um, not

00:56:21.040 in a pie-in-the-sky way, but in, uh, in a real, with real, uh, uh, grit, that we're, we're

00:56:29.280 gonna, we're gonna lift ourselves out of this, and we're gonna make things better.

00:56:32.980 And they were prepared to do the hard work, and get into it, to do it, to change things.

00:56:37.780 I know.

00:56:38.320 Then comes later, the Holocaust of Germans in Dresden, and then, of course, the raping

00:56:43.520 of two million German women and some children, but nobody talks about this.

00:56:48.300 Yeah, they play it down.

00:56:50.020 They don't want it to be known to the extent that it really was, um, you know, so often

00:56:56.360 these pictures, uh, that are shown, uh, a big part of people believing Holocaust is the

00:57:03.580 photographs, and they have so many false photographs.

00:57:07.320 They have, they take, have photographs of, of the, dead Germans in, in Dresden, and they

00:57:13.520 label them, uh, you know, Poles who were killed in a camp or something, or other, or in a Warsaw

00:57:19.880 ghetto or something.

00:57:21.040 You can't believe anything.

00:57:22.280 And so here we come to the, to the fact of lying.

00:57:25.780 We were talking about the truth before, but gosh, uh, lies are just, uh, you know, uh,

00:57:32.200 rampant.

00:57:33.440 And you can't talk about this without calling things lies, I think.

00:57:37.540 You know, you have to call it what it is.

00:57:39.520 Yeah.

00:57:40.140 Yeah.

00:57:40.580 I mean, it was new to me.

00:57:41.500 I didn't learn about Eisenhower's death camps, where 500,000 German soldiers died after the

00:57:47.540 surrender.

00:57:48.400 They starved to death.

00:57:50.080 I mean, I didn't, I didn't learn that in school.

00:57:51.580 Did you?

00:57:51.980 Well, no, they didn't.

00:57:52.960 You know what, I will say, when I was in school, none of this was talked about.

00:57:56.840 Yeah.

00:57:57.600 Even in high school, I remember, even, uh, in, in senior, no, that would have been U.S.

00:58:03.520 history.

00:58:04.120 Well, my last, uh, uh, world history, well, they had some of that in U.S. history, World War II.

00:58:09.800 Maybe that's why it didn't play a very big role, uh, because that wasn't in my senior

00:58:15.340 year, uh, you know, they just mentioned it, kind of, and, you know, of course, it's all

00:58:20.420 pro-U.S., but, and pro-Allies, but they're not a big deal.

00:58:25.220 No big deal is made out of this stuff.

00:58:27.600 You know why?

00:58:28.220 That tells me that, uh, that what's made it so nasty has to be the Jewish element, because

00:58:35.740 the Jews weren't as powerful then, and they weren't running everything in the same

00:58:39.680 way, you know, quite, they were in a lot of areas behind the scenes, uh, money and so

00:58:47.120 on, but not, uh, they, they didn't have control of, uh, of all the media.

00:58:53.440 Yeah, now we have Jewish intellectuals and universities, we've got Hollywood, we've got

00:58:57.740 media, we've got it everywhere, so.

00:58:59.820 So there's no way not to talk about it.

00:59:01.740 People will say, well, uh, people might be more open to this if, if it doesn't sound like

00:59:07.120 we're blaming the Jews for everything.

00:59:08.960 Well, how do you not talk about the Jews and still talk about it, so.

00:59:13.300 Exactly.

00:59:14.540 Yeah, I, I also heard about some survivor accounts, and I know you've talked about some of this

00:59:19.120 too, where, I think it was in the end of Eric Hans documentary, there's a survivor talking

00:59:25.920 about, yeah, there's a swimming pool we swam in, and there's a movie, and a recreational

00:59:29.880 center, and a cafe, and these things were real in the concentration camps.

00:59:34.760 So what, what did you learn when you were going through some of the survivor accounts?

00:59:39.000 Well, I authored a little time, a little booklet, it's only like 48 pages or something like that,

00:59:45.600 and you can see it on my website, and it's called Auschwitz, the Underground Guided Tour.

00:59:51.380 Um, it was, came out, uh, quite a few years ago, so it's, it's still advertised at Barnes Review

00:59:58.380 in their Holocaust books, um, uh, you know, you can still buy it, and I have a few copies

01:00:04.900 that I would, I have some extra copies that I would, uh, sell if people wanted to buy one

01:00:10.120 for me.

01:00:10.540 But it's, it's pretty much, you know, uh, already passed its, uh, prime, I guess.

01:00:17.020 But it features, uh, uh, my trip to Auschwitz.

01:00:20.520 I, I went to Auschwitz, and I also visited Dachau and, uh, Buchenwald in, uh, I think it was in, uh, 2009.

01:00:29.180 And, uh, you know, uh, they, uh, I, I already knew that it was all, uh, a hoax, and so, uh,

01:00:39.340 I could, I could make out from that, you know, what was going on.

01:00:43.140 But really, uh, in Auschwitz, they had a lot of nice things, and it really is true, as you say,

01:00:50.500 and people don't want to believe it.

01:00:52.840 And the thing is, people like the story, unfortunately, people like the story.

01:00:59.180 Of the horrible, evil, uh, Nazis and their, their concentration camps, and the worst things

01:01:06.280 that they can read about it.

01:01:07.600 They like that.

01:01:08.660 Just like people, I, like horror movies, and like evil, like to read, you know, nasty stuff.

01:01:15.340 They don't want to be, they don't want to learn differently.

01:01:18.380 And they find it so ludicrous.

01:01:21.720 And, uh, but little by little, people, people realize.

01:01:26.580 But, yeah, they, um, at, um, they had, uh, at Buchenwald, even at Buchenwald, they had, uh,

01:01:34.580 kind of a center there with, where you could buy food and snacks, and, um, and you could,

01:01:41.500 I don't know what else they had there.

01:01:42.820 And they did show movies in these camps at times.

01:01:45.460 And, uh, at Auschwitz, they even had a theater there, um, in their, in their main place there.

01:01:52.320 They had a small theater.

01:01:54.160 And, uh, then, just like in the POW camps, where people, where the POWs, uh, like the British,

01:02:02.580 who were treated pretty well, and, uh, some French and Italians and so on, they, they, uh,

01:02:08.160 they were able to, uh, they were treated quite well, and they, they could, uh, organize entertainment

01:02:14.340 for themselves.

01:02:15.520 And they must have had a budget, because they managed to do elaborate things, you know,

01:02:20.620 put on elaborate shows for their own entertainment, uh, with costumes and music and so on.

01:02:26.840 And, uh, and at Auschwitz, there, there was a theater building, and it was used, uh, by

01:02:32.560 the inmates, uh, for putting on plays, and, uh, and they, uh, even people from the town

01:02:39.940 could come and see them on, on certain nights, uh, but they were for all the inmates of the

01:02:46.860 camp, and different nights, they would, different groups would come or something like that.

01:02:52.020 And, uh, and they had a whole bunch of costumes and musical instruments, and, and,

01:02:56.840 and all of that, plus it's known that they had musical groups, uh, they had choirs, they

01:03:02.300 had, you know, orchestras, they had little, uh, uh, smaller music, uh, uh, playing groups,

01:03:10.160 and, in both camps.

01:03:12.760 And then they, they, they say, they explain that by saying, well, they, they did that to

01:03:17.960 force these poor, starving people to use their wonderful, creative talents for the, for the

01:03:24.560 benefit of the SS.

01:03:26.040 Oh, God.

01:03:26.920 You know, and stuff like that.

01:03:28.580 I mean, that's how, that's how they get around it.

01:03:31.440 Uh, we just don't have a, we don't have a big enough base to talk about these things,

01:03:36.280 and then we don't get to have the media, uh, to counteract all the other side of it, you

01:03:42.300 know, in the media.

01:03:43.380 And that's why our story doesn't get out.

01:03:45.800 But like you say, people like Eric Hunt, he's, uh, you know, he's, he's courageous, and he's

01:03:52.620 also, uh, heroic, you know, and trying to get things out that, that for the, more of the

01:03:58.000 masses.

01:03:58.400 Plus, there's David Cole.

01:04:00.480 David Cole, we've been in touch with him, and he's Jewish, and he went through, which

01:04:03.360 camp did he go through again?

01:04:04.760 Was it Auschwitz, too?

01:04:06.000 Yeah.

01:04:06.360 Auschwitz, yeah.

01:04:07.180 Mm-hmm.

01:04:07.520 Yeah, but you know, David Cole, I don't think you're aware that he's come out with a lot

01:04:11.800 of, uh, anti-revisionist stuff since, and he also believes in, that two and a half million

01:04:17.700 Jews were gassed in the, in the, uh, Action Reinhardt camps.

01:04:21.880 When did he come out with this?

01:04:23.640 Well, you know, he's, since he's, since he's, since he's come back, he's slowly, uh, become

01:04:31.300 more and more, uh, uh, uh, uh, angry at everybody, and it's been just building up, but he says

01:04:39.380 he always believed this.

01:04:40.600 He said, even when he was, uh, when he was, uh, you know, in the early days, before he disappeared,

01:04:48.380 um, he was talking about Auschwitz, and he was going, he, he understood that what the revisionists

01:04:54.000 had found was true, and he was working along those lines, but he says he, he still didn't,

01:04:59.360 he still believed in the Holocaust, he still was in the Holocaust, he now, and he goes on

01:05:04.240 and on like that, like he, you know, he, he, he never did, uh, think that, and, uh, but

01:05:10.040 he's taken on David Irving's stance, which I don't know if David Irving is going to actually

01:05:16.060 come through with it for himself or not, because I think he's having trouble finding anything.

01:05:20.840 Maybe they got some, some pressure, pressured into it to recant their testimony.

01:05:25.540 Well, I don't think, I think David Cole has, uh, just reverted, you know, uh, I, I would

01:05:32.040 be, I would not, uh, I would not have him on, because he's quite the tricky guy.

01:05:36.920 Uh, everybody's, uh, he, he's been interviewed by a lot of people who don't know that much

01:05:42.060 about revisionism, but he is now alienated, and he's insulted and attacked, uh, almost every

01:05:48.880 top revisionist that there is with well-known names except for Garamard Rudolph, um, and,

01:05:56.040 uh, and, uh, he, uh, he sets himself against them, he's arguing, you know, against them,

01:06:01.880 and he's calling them stupid, and this is what's wrong with the revisionist movement, they're

01:06:05.760 all, they're all idiots, and so on, only he's, only he knows what he's talking about, um, and

01:06:12.480 I think that during that interim period, I, I'm not even sure that he was forced out of

01:06:19.220 it, I'm not even sure whether I believe that, that, uh, that the JDL, um, attacked him or

01:06:25.900 whatever, but in any case, he went into a new career and a new name, and since he got forced

01:06:32.360 back out of that, uh, he tried to get back with, into revisionism because he wasn't welcome

01:06:38.440 where he had been, but he's honest enough to say that he wishes he could still be doing

01:06:42.500 what he, what he was doing, he's not happy, and I think that he, he tried to do it, but

01:06:48.220 he's not been able to do it because he has too many disagreements, and he doesn't really

01:06:52.520 like the people anymore, that's what I think, and so it's all falling apart with him, with

01:06:58.460 him and revisionism.

01:06:59.640 Hey, I was going to say, I was on, I was checking out ADL's profile of you, and, you

01:07:04.560 know, they do a good job.

01:07:05.580 I know, I, I can go there and find a lot of good guests to interview, actually.

01:07:09.580 So, were you banned from Auschwitz?

01:07:11.900 I thought they, they mentioned something about that.

01:07:15.160 Banned from Auschwitz?

01:07:16.300 Yeah, banned from, banned from going to check out the camp, like you're not allowed to be

01:07:20.760 there anymore because of your underground trouble.

01:07:22.700 No, I don't remember them saying that.

01:07:24.020 Okay.

01:07:24.440 No, I wasn't, of course.

01:07:26.180 Uh, I didn't have any problem there.

01:07:28.220 Uh, I was very outspoken.

01:07:29.900 I, I tried to tell the truth.

01:07:32.560 I, see, I was not even going to go on a tour, but I, I met a friend there, and so we, he

01:07:38.380 wanted to go on, he thought we needed to go on the tour.

01:07:40.960 And, uh, he insisted, so, and he was paying for it, so I wanted to get along with him.

01:07:45.660 So, so we, I went on the tour.

01:07:48.200 It was terrible, as you can imagine.

01:07:50.320 And, and, uh, so I couldn't resist because I'm just not, wasn't afraid about it at all.

01:07:57.540 Um, to say, to, to disagree with the tour guide and what she was telling us while we

01:08:03.340 were in these museum buildings, you know, and looking at exhibits and so on.

01:08:07.760 And, and she says, uh, and some of the people there, they got mad at me.

01:08:13.600 She didn't get mad at me.

01:08:15.220 In fact, uh, one time she said that was a very good question and I was right.

01:08:19.180 Um, and then the people looked at me like, oh, well, you know, these people that go there,

01:08:24.300 uh, and take these tours are just, it's like they screw off their brains before they go

01:08:30.880 in there in order so that they will just, you know, take it, oh, everything just the way.

01:08:37.240 And they think the tour guides are, are brilliant geniuses and everything they say is true.

01:08:42.400 And they're just sitting there breathless or standing there following around, following,

01:08:47.040 you know, along.

01:08:48.580 Um, and they don't want to, uh, they don't want to question anything, nothing.

01:08:53.700 Although at the end of it, these two people came up to me and said, well, you know, I agree

01:08:59.520 with you.

01:09:00.060 I'm disappointed and all this.

01:09:01.600 So, so I did a, finally a couple of people got through and maybe got through to a few more,

01:09:06.880 but, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's hard to take what they do there.

01:09:11.360 It's really ridiculous.

01:09:13.040 It's, it's become a religion.

01:09:14.200 It's not a historical event anymore, but if it is hits history, it should be subject to

01:09:18.960 the same kind of research and scrutiny as any other past events.

01:09:22.200 So our conceptions of the Holocaust can be subject to critical investigation, but I guess

01:09:26.660 not that that area is off limits folks.

01:09:28.740 Well, it is, and it is, it's, it's a sacred thing.

01:09:32.580 The Holocaust victims and survivors are sacred, even though the survivors are almost all terrible

01:09:41.560 liars, but no, you know, you, they, people believe every word they say too.

01:09:47.380 Yeah.

01:09:47.580 It's amazing.

01:09:48.780 It is amazing.

01:09:50.240 It has, it says a lot about what the hell is wrong with us.

01:09:53.920 I mean, I, why did, why do we, uh, wake up to these things and most people don't that's

01:10:00.000 I, we're, well, we talked about that earlier and those are the only answers I have to it.

01:10:03.980 So have you had any run-ins or threats by those who want to silence you because you're

01:10:07.800 putting a lot of stuff up?

01:10:08.980 No, I only have run-ins and, uh, and, and, and, uh, anger from people within our movement.

01:10:14.920 And that's about the, about the way it goes.

01:10:18.560 And that's who I find fault with too.

01:10:20.720 Mostly, you know, with, amongst our own selves, um, where we get critical.

01:10:27.220 And I think, uh, I think I have good reason to.

01:10:30.980 So I find myself, uh, arguing with, with, uh, with these people, but I don't, um, I did

01:10:38.300 do a series of, uh, yeah, I did, uh, in my, uh, my whole frauds and quacks articles, I

01:10:45.560 did a, uh, I did some articles, uh, well, um, based on what was that, uh, Holocaust controversies,

01:10:55.060 that real pro-Holocaust website.

01:10:58.520 Um, and, uh, yeah, Joaquin Neander, uh, wrote some things for them.

01:11:04.300 He's somebody who tries to be, uh, uh, uh, he says he's a professor of some kind and he

01:11:10.780 tries to be a, uh, uh, uh, uh, an honest researcher.

01:11:15.560 You know, he's, he's, he defends the Holocaust, but he's open to things.

01:11:20.000 So he's supposed to be somebody who's, who's open to both sides.

01:11:22.900 But he, he really, um, he, you know, I, see now I criticize him because, because I think

01:11:30.120 that he's, uh, he will, he will admit the most ridiculous things, but then he'll try

01:11:35.100 to hold on to all the rest.

01:11:37.600 And, and so that, that's the kind of work that he's doing.

01:11:40.920 But, uh, I, when I was writing those things, I've got, uh, the, well, I wrote on the, on,

01:11:47.280 um, uh, Ziz Blatt, uh, who, uh, is kind of, uh, Eric Hunt is connected to her and it's

01:11:53.780 through Eric Hunt that I discovered her.

01:11:56.360 And, uh, yeah, I've not known Eric Hunt for quite a long time and we've had our differences,

01:12:01.140 but we go back and we're, we're good friends right now.

01:12:04.180 Um, and, uh, so I, I was, uh, trying to get every last, I got so interested in that Ziz Blatt

01:12:10.660 that I wrote a long article about her based on, uh, her radio interview and her book.

01:12:16.900 And, and her, uh, interview with Spielberg and the whole smear and so on, uh, it's pretty

01:12:22.660 authoritative.

01:12:23.400 I think it's pretty good.

01:12:24.500 Anybody wants to, wants to know everything about that.

01:12:27.460 But, uh, then I got onto, uh, what, uh, Neander had written about her and I wrote a critique

01:12:35.360 of that.

01:12:36.080 And then he wrote something back on this Holocaust controversies.

01:12:39.940 And then I wrote what I call my second response to Jane Neander and that's on my website, but

01:12:45.460 the Holocaust controversies people, uh, you know, were calling me names and, you know,

01:12:51.740 for all kinds of four letter word names and so on.

01:12:55.320 And, uh, but I, you know, I, that didn't bother me.

01:12:58.460 And then people in our own movement here, not well-known people, but some, uh, some kind

01:13:04.980 of, and sometimes just people writing comments, you know, uh, use all those words for me too.

01:13:11.320 So, yeah, I've gotten very tough.

01:13:14.580 I know the first time I'm probably going on too long, but I know the first time that I,

01:13:19.640 uh, um, when I first started getting onto forums and, uh, comment sections on the internet

01:13:26.940 and, uh, I tend to, uh, speak, I tend to speak out quite bluntly, um, without, you know, saying,

01:13:35.680 well, I agree with this and that you said, and I do this before, before I come out with

01:13:40.240 my criticism.

01:13:41.320 But, um, I was, uh, I would say something that was a little bit more than what normally

01:13:48.740 was said there.

01:13:49.600 And then, uh, boy, these men would, uh, maybe one or two of them would come after me like

01:13:55.240 gangbusters and I was shocked, you know, and I thought, oh my God.

01:13:59.620 And, and I, and it, uh, it affected me.

01:14:01.960 I thought, what, what did I do?

01:14:04.040 You know, I thought, I'm never going to say another word, you know, and I thought, and

01:14:07.520 I would not, I'd be sleeping that night, you know, I'd be thinking about it.

01:14:11.640 I felt so bad and finally it dawned on me, uh, because I then, then other people would

01:14:17.760 say something nice maybe, but, you know, I would realize, I finally learned that there

01:14:23.260 was nothing wrong with me.

01:14:24.260 It was these people that, you know, these were like troll type people and they weren't

01:14:28.800 who they said they were.

01:14:30.280 And, uh, so then I got a little tougher and I got, every time, every time I got in trouble

01:14:35.640 from what I said, um, it, you know, uh, I would have a reaction to it.

01:14:40.860 It upset me to some degree.

01:14:42.860 And I think, oh, I'm just, I need to keep quiet.

01:14:45.000 I got to quit.

01:14:45.600 You know, why do I always speak out and, you know, I got to stop this, but I would do

01:14:49.880 it again the next time.

01:14:50.960 And eventually I just, uh, got so used to it.

01:14:54.240 So, uh, I, I don't like it.

01:14:57.320 Who likes it?

01:14:58.080 But, uh, some of the things that are said about me, but mostly it's, uh, it's just, you

01:15:05.040 know, certain kind of people that do it.

01:15:06.600 You seem to have thick skin, right?

01:15:08.600 Well, I, I do now.

01:15:09.900 Yeah.

01:15:10.700 So, well, Carolyn, please tell us about your website and how people can find all your work.

01:15:15.600 Well, like I said, I have, uh, three websites, people that I maintain that people can go

01:15:21.220 to.

01:15:21.960 Uh, my main website is carolynyeager.net.

01:15:25.380 And that's where I have my radio programs also.

01:15:28.440 And I have, uh, a website called, uh, Ellie, uh, Ellie Weasel cons the world.

01:15:35.000 And the URL to that is, uh, Ellie Weaseltattoo.com.

01:15:40.380 Uh, and, uh, I, I spent a few years working very hard on that.

01:15:46.180 And I wrote, I have got well over a hundred articles all about Ellie Weasel, uh, and, uh,

01:15:53.480 Sorry, I have to interrupt real quick.

01:15:54.740 I have to interrupt real quick.

01:15:56.040 It's funny because his last name is like Weasel, like a weasel rat.

01:16:00.460 Yeah, it really does stand for weasel.

01:16:03.040 It suits him.

01:16:04.760 It does.

01:16:05.380 Um, and, uh, so I've, uh, I've not, I've not been writing new stuff for that for a while.

01:16:12.220 Um, it's not that I wouldn't if something came up, but he's gotten kind of quiet too.

01:16:16.140 And I've covered just about everything I can think of about him.

01:16:19.060 Uh, and I didn't want to just keep concentrating on him.

01:16:22.600 So, uh, that's, that's there and it'll stay there.

01:16:25.200 And then my other, the other one that I have, uh, uh, was, uh, oh, you know, had people

01:16:30.840 helping me with it, but I'm maintaining it is the January27.org.

01:16:35.760 And I recommend if people want to get, uh, some of the best work done on basic Holocaust

01:16:42.160 revisionism, and it's all focused on Auschwitz-Berkenau there, um, that they go there and look and

01:16:48.900 read, uh, read, uh, well, everything that's there, at least a good part of it, you get a

01:16:54.840 real education.

01:16:56.440 Well, many thanks to you, Carolyn, for all your courage.

01:16:59.380 And I hope you continue your work for some time.

01:17:03.160 Well, thank you.

01:17:04.120 And I certainly hope you do too.

01:17:05.920 And it looks like you, you will.

01:17:08.220 I sure will.

01:17:09.500 Thanks.

01:17:10.060 Okay.

01:17:10.520 Bye-bye.

01:17:12.040 I'd encourage you all to investigate Holocaust revisionism further because there is a plethora

01:17:16.780 of information for those who want to seek the answers.

01:17:19.980 Why does it matter?

01:17:21.080 Because truth matters.

01:17:22.860 In challenging the Holocaust story, we're forced to contend with the entire post-war order,

01:17:28.160 which was created by the Allies.

01:17:30.180 The credibility of the victors' version of history is at risk, as the Holocaust is their

01:17:35.260 moral cornerstone of their version of World War II history.

01:17:39.320 So it's no wonder, then, that Western children learn about the Jewish Holocaust ad nauseum, as

01:17:44.880 though it's the only one in history.

01:17:46.620 It's a massive brainwashing operation that starts from a young age.

01:17:50.720 Were you taught about the Russian, Armenian, or Ukrainian Holocaust?

01:17:55.520 What about the one happening right now in Palestine or South Africa?

01:17:59.580 Are these of lesser worth?

01:18:01.660 So think about it the next time you want to yell,

01:18:04.240 Nazi.

01:18:05.220 Because this is the programmed response kicking in from your years of Nazi brainwashing.

01:18:10.600 I used to be there too.

01:18:11.740 You see, this is where most truthers, anarchists, left and right, CNN and Fox, Christian and

01:18:18.820 atheists, join as one.

01:18:20.980 On the Nazi issue, it is politically correct to demonize Hitler.

01:18:25.720 I've had a few anarchists write me saying,

01:18:28.040 how can you talk about anarchism and then nationalism?

01:18:31.080 Please listen to the program I did with Craig Fitzgerald, where we spoke about how a nation

01:18:35.160 has nothing to do with government.

01:18:37.300 And well, lately, I have found it fascinating studying Hitler's government structure.

01:18:41.380 Because in that era, Germany thrived and its people were blossoming.

01:18:45.360 So what was it?

01:18:46.900 Oh, government is government, Lana.

01:18:48.520 Why waste time?

01:18:50.100 Well, anarchism isn't for everyone.

01:18:52.220 Fascism isn't for everyone.

01:18:53.760 Nor communism or nationalism.

01:18:56.320 But I think each one of us is pulled to a different social structure according to what

01:19:00.660 fits us best.

01:19:01.820 Whether you like it or not, you take a side and you are part of a group.

01:19:05.160 And the majority of people will always look to a leader or an elder for wisdom.

01:19:09.180 I think the best thing that could happen to the West is for a splitting off of different

01:19:13.580 political systems.

01:19:14.820 Because what we have now is not working.

01:19:17.700 We should be fighting off the one world system and encouraging diversity of politics.

01:19:22.600 And we should be encouraging separation.

01:19:25.000 We make this happen, not the elite.

01:19:27.520 At Red Ice Creations, we're not tied to the one website slogan for the rest of our lives.

01:19:32.360 We're not limiting ourselves to just talking about what's safe and what you want to hear.

01:19:37.000 Clearly, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about Hitler.

01:19:40.140 And we won't do shows about UFOs or 9-11 for 40 years.

01:19:44.220 We're not robots.

01:19:45.620 We're changing and expanding and we're constantly refining and solidifying our worldview.

01:19:50.900 Just as you are.

01:19:52.200 If you recorded yourself for five years, wouldn't you look back and cringe at the things you

01:19:56.760 used to say?

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Radio 3Fourteen - September 03, 2014

WWII Revisionist History

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