Brad and Richard discuss the latest scandal surrounding former Vice President Joe Biden, including his affair with a transgender woman, and his relationship with his third wife, Kimberly Guilfault. They also take a step back and ask some big questions: Did Trump stumble upon an electoral strategy, right-wing populism, which gave him a miraculous victory in 2016 that simply can t be replicated? And after Trump loses, will the GOP give up on MAGA, or embrace it? And finally, is political violence and rioting here to stay? And what does that mean for the coming Biden regime?
00:00:18.000The horses are rounding the turn and headed to the final stretch.
00:00:21.420In days, Americans will be presented with a stark choice between an old, out-of-touch, racist white guy and Donald Trump.
00:00:30.440Brad and I delve into the gory details of the latest scandals.
00:00:34.700But we also take a step back and ask some big questions.
00:00:39.180Did Trump stumble upon an electoral strategy, right-wing populism, which gave him a miraculous victory in 2016 that simply can't be replicated?
00:00:49.120And after Trump loses, will the GOP give up on MAGA or embrace it?
00:00:54.820And finally, is political violence and rioting here to stay?
00:00:59.060And what does that mean for the coming Biden regime?
00:02:32.120I mean, obviously a lot of this stuff of getting a foot massage du jour, I guess.
00:02:37.660And, you know, just smoking crack and things like it's just you get an image of this child of privilege who is given these opportunities to be a bigwig in the global circuit.
00:03:12.780I would say that we underestimate the degree to which there's just been a general like coarsening and degeneration among Americans to the point where I wonder if they're even shocked about this kind of stuff.
00:03:54.220But, you know, there was this man who was obviously flawed and maybe there were problems in his marriage, but he was there were like images of him like on a boat with some woman his age.
00:04:05.620He was carrying on a love affair with.
00:04:08.320And sure, you know, I understand how a traditionalist like yourself might not like this, but this was a like age appropriate, extremely normal kind of sympathetic love affair that he was carrying on, you know, and it is what it is.
00:04:29.680And I think what we're going to see, you know, going forward are not like, oh, did you carry on a love affair?
00:04:38.560But, oh, were you getting a foot massage from a transsexual while doing, you know, PHP or something like it?
00:05:40.980I mean, this idea that, you know, they're up on their moral high horse about it is just kind of it's just kind of it's just kind of so this is what we expect from our elites that they, you know, leave completely amoral.
00:05:51.980They're all hedonistic lifestyles and, you know, use their wealth and privilege to indulge in any kind of degenerate, decadent behavior that strikes their fancy.
00:06:03.060So, yes, I mean, this is just this is this is this is what I've always it's not shocking because this is how we assume that our political class operates in general.
00:06:11.780This is I mean, so some people are saying that, you know, he I know I think it's come out that he had sex with his that Hunter Biden had sex with Bo's wife, Bo's wife.
00:06:25.320Yeah, you know, I find that more disturbing in a way than than like banging some prostitute, to be honest, because to do that, to get a foot massage from some prostitute, whatever.
00:06:43.040I mean, I again, I'm not into that kind of thing and I and I find it gross, but but whatever.
00:06:49.780But to carry on a love affair with the widow of your brother who recently passed, I don't know.
00:06:57.260There's just something a bit disturbing about that, to be honest.
00:07:02.000Allegedly, allegedly, he also had of course.
00:07:05.540Well, this is what the all the buzz about Hunter Biden is, is that like he also had sex with his niece.
00:07:13.040As well, there was a I haven't seen that.
00:07:17.240I haven't seen there were text messages where where it seemed like he was inappropriate with his niece.
00:07:22.940And I think some people in the kind of right wing bubble of Twitter are expanding that to there's child porn on his laptop, which I do not think, at least from what I've seen now, I do not think that is true.
00:07:35.400That's also something extremely heinous and and and out of bounds.
00:07:39.840I mean, I, you know, put aside Joe Biden.
00:07:43.060I mean, you know, you're you're you have all this child pornography on your laptop.
00:07:47.820I mean, you should just simply be arrested immediately.
00:08:24.280Yeah, but but I think what it is, is that he was getting inappropriate with his niece, which, again, it might actually say something about him.
00:08:32.900The fact that he is he has these attractions to his brother's life.
00:08:37.640I mean, there might even be a kind of inferiority complex going on.
00:08:42.020Beau Biden was the one who stayed above board.
00:08:45.180I don't you know, we don't know what Biden did in his free time, but he, you know, he was involved in the military and was kind of a, you know, a better moral paragon, a moral paragon of the globalist class, you could say.
00:09:04.140And I wonder if there was some kind of weird jealousy going on.
00:09:07.460I mean, we can only speculate, but it it doesn't you know, I do find that kind of stuff rather just odd and and, you know, disturbing, kind of more disturbing than visiting a prostitute in a way.
00:09:21.520Almost like sympathy for the old man who has to deal with his damn sons.
00:09:27.100Yeah, his degenerate sons having all his all their dirty laundry, you know, aired.
00:09:35.500I guess I guess I have a little bit of sympathy for Hunter even.
00:09:39.280I mean, he is being taken through the ringer.
00:09:43.800I mean, you do not come back from this.
00:09:46.720I mean, this is just utter personal destruction.
00:09:50.800Not saying that he's he's a good person and that it's tragic or something.
00:09:56.460But I'm just saying, like, you know, there are other people who descend into nihilism and don't do not have that broadcast over the Internet.
00:11:08.120And at least there were these accusations, which I would stress that these are accusations and I've been accused of things as well.
00:11:16.560So I I would stress highly, you know, these are accusations, but that she was she's kind of a sexual demon in her own right.
00:11:25.440And and like gets Fox News interns, females to give her boob massages.
00:11:31.060And, you know, seriously, we're supposed to believe that, you know, there's a huge moral and cultural difference between it's just absolutely compelling between the lifestyle of Donald Trump.
00:11:43.900And Don Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle and their lifestyle of Hunter Biden in that, like, it's I mean, especially, you know, especially with Trump being the president, it's really hard to make to make the argument that Trump is setting a better moral example.
00:12:04.840No, no. I mean, who knows? We're recording this on Sunday, but who knows?
00:12:09.420Maybe these the the the most outlandish version of the Steele dossier is going to be released on Monday.
00:12:15.440Who knows about Trump? Like, you know, I never believed that stuff or the very least, I kind of took it with a huge grain of salt and was just kind of like, well, maybe there's something going on there with some Russian prostitute, you know, whatever.
00:12:29.760This guy is a degenerate billionaire. You can just buy anything and whatever.
00:12:34.640But it ultimately brings me to my final conclusion, which is that if anyone is if any global elitist is willing to adopt me, then I will promise to live a decadent yet ultimately redeemable lifestyle.
00:12:54.260So I'm talking fast cars, a little boozing here and there, you know, the the jet setting, but I will never do I have no interest in all of the crap that Hunter got involved in.
00:13:07.380So I would be the good decadent son that you'd be proud of and you kind of shake your head and be like, well, boys will be boys.
00:13:13.500But I would never jeopardize your political career. Just saying, I know it's kind of, you know, this is to adopt a 42 year old who just wants to live a boyish lifestyle.
00:13:26.260But I'm just saying it's the the option is out there. I would be good.
00:13:30.720Yeah, I don't I don't really see it. And it's one of the big things is, you know, I mean, the election is how many people have already voted?
00:13:38.020It's a ton. Millions. I think it's like 50 to 60 million have already voted.
00:13:46.660Yeah, like 650 to 60 million people have already voted. So, like, you know, the time to release all this stuff was, you know, that window kind of passed.
00:13:54.060Yeah. And again, whether it whether if they released it a month ago, it would have an effect is is debatable.
00:14:00.540Yeah. And and also what we're seeing is that the 18 to 29 year old set of voters, they are increasing their participation by multifolds.
00:14:15.440And not only do they lean Democratic and towards Biden, they also would probably be the least likely to be scandalized by the stuff.
00:14:24.980Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't I don't see in the people who would be the most scandalized by it, too, would be, you know, the oldest people, the most right senior citizens.
00:14:37.100And Trump has lost them because of the way he's handled covid. Yeah, they're all they're all concerned about covid and not so much as Hunter Biden's sex scandal.
00:14:50.520Yes, I think so. And they might also be so out of tune with Internet culture that they don't know this is going on or they've kind of vaguely heard about it and they might have heard talk of it on Fox News, but they don't really see it.
00:15:06.660And in this way, the deplatforming actually does work in the sense of just the you know, again, I totally oppose what Twitter has done to the New York Post, but like on an ethical standpoint.
00:15:21.460But at the same time, it actually might very well have have worked in terms of keeping the material away from from older voters and they might have already kind of made up their mind.
00:15:32.580I mean, they feel like Trump is abandoning them, doesn't care about them.
00:15:38.040They you know, Biden is one of them in some ways.
00:15:41.380The the, you know, vague senility that he suffers from does not bother them.
00:15:45.860They're suffering from it as well. And, you know, Trump was willing to let them die.
00:15:53.540So the stock market would go up that that train has left the station six months ago.
00:15:58.400And so it's just not it's it's not going to really touch them.
00:16:06.380So we talked about the utterly sensationalist tabloid level material.
00:16:11.920It's it is disturbing and sad, but I don't think it's going to really affect the campaign.
00:16:19.360But I think what I'm interested in and I wanted to get your feedback and maybe even push back on this.
00:16:28.100But the the kind of, you know, the state of the populist right and how Trump is kind of like, you know, he actualized the populist right, something that was that was simmering there for a long time.
00:16:47.960He actualized it. But I think he also kind of demonstrated its limits and maybe even weirdly ended it at the same time.
00:16:56.660And so let me let me talk a little bit about what I'm saying here.
00:17:01.840So Trump is wildly popular in the Republican Party.
00:17:07.180He has 90 percent plus approval ratings within the Republican Party in terms of the primaries.
00:17:14.260Now, granted, he didn't have a challenger, but he was getting you know, they there's some group out there that's talking about this.
00:17:21.780Like if an incumbent is getting 70 plus percent in primaries, then he's like almost guaranteed to win because this this shows that he is consolidating his power base.
00:17:33.480He is not viewed as a lame truck, a duck or a betrayer or anything.
00:17:38.060He is he's got his team in line and that's what you need.
00:17:41.960Like, you know, before you face the other football team, you've got to make sure that you're like offensive line is blocking the right guys.
00:17:49.040If you kind of get my metaphor here, you've got to have everything in order.
00:17:52.740You've got to protect the quarterback before you even talk about like, oh, we're going to throw this, you know, flea flicker touchdown pass or something.
00:17:59.640And and I think that that is a fair assessment and Trumpism MAGA is almost like beyond policy at this point.
00:18:09.600Like being MAGA is almost a lifestyle and you go to these events and they're basically like comic routines.
00:18:18.300You know, Trump, Trump, they're not not not particularly funny comedy routines, at least from my standpoint, but that's what they are.
00:18:25.220He's going up there and he was like, so, you know, these guys came up to me.
00:18:28.760They're like, sir, sir, you've got the covid.
00:19:21.460Republicans have been losing the popular vote since 1992, with 2004 being one exception.
00:19:28.460So it's already kind of built in that it's difficult for them to to win a huge majority like Nixon did in 72 or Reagan in 84.
00:19:36.640And but what Trump did is that he reached different voters and through those different voters, he was able to put together a electoral college coalition that is that was a winner.
00:20:34.700We want a total outsider, a guy who's going to be a bully on stage who has wild ideas and is crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need right now.
00:20:43.020And so he was able to reach different voters and then he put together an unlikely, improbable and precarious electoral college strategy.
00:20:54.180I think he stumbled upon it more than he like thought through this, but he stumbled upon this way of reaching former Obama voters in the Midwest or people who are apathetic, actualizing them as Trump voters.
00:21:10.340And putting together this, this coalition that entailed, you know, winning Michigan by 10,000 votes and just, just, just totally improbable, razor thin, you know, high tightrope acts that he accomplished in 2016.
00:21:31.120And so I, I think in some ways, this is a 2016 was a redemption of right-wing populism where you kind of talk about, I'm going to take care of you.
00:22:52.980Um, you know, uh, never in a million years.
00:22:56.300Uh, Kanye has kind of, you know, Kanye is running himself, but Kanye was at least attracted to Trumpism for, for a time.
00:23:03.840And so he's weird, like through his own brash persona, he's kind of winning over some unlikely Republican voters who, who really aren't Republican voters.
00:23:38.940And in the, uh, 2018 midterms, the GOP was getting 55% of the white vote.
00:23:46.620Now that is down 10 points from, um, eight years earlier in 2010, when they got 65% of the white vote and just ran away with that election vis-a-vis Obama.
00:23:58.040Um, I have seen polls now, granted, these are polls.
00:24:02.660It's not real voting and, you know, and you should even show some skepticism towards exit polling, but it's looking like Trump might get 54, maybe even 51% of the white vote in 2020.
00:24:19.420So this kind of gets back to my general thesis, which is that Trump demonstrated the power of right-wing populism strategy, what is called among, in our circles, the sailor strategy.
00:24:34.660I think kind of misnamed, to be honest, but the sailor strategy.
00:24:37.900But then he's also shown its limits and it's kind of the fact that it is now unworkable.
00:24:43.120And there, I've talked for a little bit, so I'll let you go on this one.
00:24:47.620I agree with, um, a lot of what you, what you had to say there.
00:24:52.100What I would, from where I'm standing, I'm not like, uh, I don't consider myself a right-wing populist.
00:24:59.560A right-wing populist is a populist who's more focused on culture war issues, more, more, leans a lot more heavily towards social issues than, uh, economic issues.
00:25:12.940My, my form of populism would be like, you know, your classical, early, mid-20th century, Southern Democrat is the Huey Long type of Democrat.
00:25:51.860And so, like, that's the difference between, I would say, where I'm at on the political spectrum is much further to the left.
00:26:01.680Um, I'm kind of like a left authoritarian, Huey Long type of populist, whereas Nick Fuentes is more of the, into the right side.
00:26:13.440In other words, he's a lot more comfortable with economic liberalism than I am.
00:26:18.740So, like, when, when, when, when Trump was rising, what, I didn't just hear, you know, I didn't, in, in the 2016 campaign, people like me, um, much, much more, much more to the left than, um, more, more moderate people than people like Fuentes, who supported Cruz, of course, in the primary.
00:26:40.120But what I heard Trump say was, okay, we're going to, the Iraq war was a disaster.
00:26:46.520We're going to protect Social Security and Medicare.
00:27:15.760We're going to tax hedge funds and all this.
00:27:18.100Now, granted, granted, it was clear at the time.
00:27:21.680And in fact, like when the media would always call me to ask about Trump during this campaign, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I generally like Trump, but I kind of have some reservations about him.
00:27:30.720I see like he's, I see like his tax plan, right, is just this, um, how would you put it?
00:27:38.960Like Larry Kudlow, supply side, traditional, conservative, neoliberal kind of thing, right?
00:27:47.140But he didn't emphasize that so much in the campaign.
00:27:49.500He just kind of like put it out there, right?
00:27:52.220So, um, what I would say is that Trump won the Midwest, not because he won right wing populists, but because he resonate, his message, campaign message struck swing vote, more moderate leaning populist swing voters in states like Iowa, Minnesota, um, really all around the northern rim of the United States.
00:28:17.800Um, which has always traditionally been like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, this, these places have always been traditionally anti-war and social democratic and social democratic.
00:28:34.460When those people saw Trump in 2016, they're like, okay, well, um, we're getting rid of the old kind of conservatism and we're going to move into a more anti-war social democratic direction.
00:28:47.080Plus we're going to have, you know, secure borders and all the stuff like you would hear on Tucker Carlson every night, right?
00:28:53.600Well, well, he, he won the, well, two things.
00:28:57.820He won a lot of these more moderate social democratic left-leaning populist types in the northern states, people who had been disaffected with politics because they hate the democratic party and the Republican party and showed up, um, to vote for him in 2016.
00:29:14.520Now, at the same time, he lost, he lost, he lost a lot of the traditional conservative liberal types, right?
00:29:21.740So in the suburbs of places like Texas, suburbs of places like Atlanta, Georgia, he, Trump underperformed Mitt Romney because those people did not like to hear about, you know, economic populism and stuff.
00:29:39.740They are, you know, or really social conservatism.
00:29:44.260They are more, you know, more, a lot more, a lot, the, the, the, the, the pro free market types.
00:29:52.160Um, and of course there was people who were just.
00:29:55.280And Trump was talking about coal mining and things like this.
00:29:58.920I mean, yeah, this is not going to resonate with suburban professional, traditional conservative voters in the suburbs of, yeah.
00:30:07.900So this, so this people, it's not just that it's also his personality and his, the way he comes across, you know, is kind of like a buffoon.
00:30:17.320Well, at the time, well, at the time people were like, okay, it's either Trump or Hillary.
00:30:21.100So, uh, they hated, these, these same people hated Hillary Clinton with a passion.
00:30:27.500That was a huge part of the thing that got them to the polls.
00:30:30.500And so Trump, you know, the coalition that he came in and the coalition that Hillary had that lost, he, he found, he snuck his way in through the electoral college.
00:30:42.560But then, of course, as we've talked about for years, um, immediately after the election, during the transition, Trump sold out to, um, Cheryl Adelson, the big donors.
00:30:54.520And then like, he started to, he started to, and I was, you know, following this at the time because I was already intensely skeptical of Trump after he won the election.
00:31:05.460And, and, you know, he started to, okay, he's on hire Gary Cohn as his chief, his chief economic advisor.
00:31:12.740He's on a point, Andy Puzder, his secretary of labor.
00:31:16.580And you're looking at this and you're like, really, this guy or Mnuchin, this guy's an economic, uh, popular.
00:31:23.780So, so even from the beginning, you're starting to see from the, from before he's even sworn into office,
00:31:29.740Trump is shedding this image he has as an economic populace.
00:31:36.000He's going to come in and he's going to disrupt and change things.
00:31:39.460He's decided that, you know, he's going to be, he's going to have a conventional Republican presidency.
00:31:44.360And so over the course of 2017, you can see this in the polls, Trump's image of the course of 28, 2017, completely changed.
00:31:53.200Whereas previously he had been seen as a much more moderate candidate over the course of 2017.
00:32:00.280He became to see, came to be seen as a much more right-wing conservative candidate in the polls as his actual, as his administration and priorities actually took shape.
00:32:12.260So once he got in there in 2017 and 2018, what did they do?
00:32:15.020They did, they did, uh, judges, tax cuts, healthcare, uh, deregulation, beefing up the military, just, you know, normal conservative.
00:32:43.020I actually think 2017 was key where, you know, it's like a chess match where if you really screw up at the beginning, like if you just give away pieces on your first three or four moves, like you, you just can't win.
00:32:57.880And I, I, I feel like he did that to a degree, like to a very strong degree, the healthcare was, I think, just as important as anything.
00:33:08.000Uh, and, and it's just as important as not, um, actualizing immigration reform, which he at least tried and was kind of putting forth the deal.
00:33:16.180We can talk about that, but going in and gutting Obamacare while not really replacing it.
00:33:23.060And then talking about how, like, Oh, if you reelect me, we're going to have the greatest healthcare in the world.
00:33:52.180And so to then pursue a Paul Ryan like plan where it's like, well, uh, you know, the, uh, the mandate is unconstitutional and, and, you know, uh, we need to get, we need to cut down on these budgets.
00:34:04.520This is getting too expensive or whatever to just talk like that.
00:34:10.940And in 2018, at least according to polls, now I'm skeptical of these things.
00:34:16.780And I think that there might've been other issues that were actually paramount, but at least in, in, according to the expressed view of voters, uh, the people who voted Democrats were doing so on the basis of healthcare.
00:34:29.040That was the number one issue in 2018.
00:34:33.140And I can give him a little bit of leeway and sympathy in terms of immigration, because I know how, like, and I don't mean just the wall.
00:34:42.100I don't give a, I have less sympathy there, but in terms of changing the legal immigration paradigm, I'll give him a little bit of leeway in the sense of like.
00:34:59.440And you were at least trying that all, even though it was a failure, at least.
00:35:02.880Trying to change the paradigm in 2017 to 28 and even up to 2018, um, in terms of the healthcare, that was just a totally unforced error where he went along with Paul Ryan.
00:35:14.480Well, I mean, if you, if you would describe the first, okay, 2015, 2016, Trump has more of this outsider populist image.
00:35:25.780And he said, and the key thing is he's not just appealing to right-wing populists with culture war rhetoric about immigration, but like the trade thing, right?
00:35:33.860He made a huge thing of how trade had destroyed the Midwest, how, um, we're going to have the best healthcare ever.
00:35:42.520We're going to get prescription drug prices down.
00:35:44.740We're going to, we're not, we're not, we're not going to cut, uh, big government programs like social security and Medicare.
00:35:51.500His, the message he had in 2015, 2016 resonated a lot more with the more moderate social democratic populist left-wing populist types in the upper Midwest.
00:36:03.140And then what happened, what happens is after, during the transition, during 2017, 2018, um, he starts to move away from this image and the policies he talked about so heavily in the campaign.
00:36:19.780He's just like, he's, he's allowed Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to, he's like, okay, I'm just going to be the rubber stamp for you guys.
00:36:27.480Just send me judges, I will approve them, um, deliver your, do, cause what Paul Ryan and McConnell had told him is that we'll give you the wall, but we gotta, we gotta get all this other stuff done first, right?
00:36:41.620We gotta get tax cuts and, and healthcare done first.
00:36:44.960Now they, what they know is, you know, in the Congress, Congress being as polarized as it is, the only way anything gets done in Congress is you have to use what budget reconciliation, right?
00:36:54.660You can do that once a year and they trot it with healthcare to get that through.
00:37:02.100And that nearly failed because McCain shot it down and then they did, uh, tax cuts, which all the Republicans in Congress was for.
00:37:10.220And then I want to say in December of that year, um, McConnell intervened to kill Roy Moore here in Alabama.
00:37:19.920And so, so they opened up 2018 without that extra Senator, which gave, you know, those other senators even more leverage.
00:37:29.900And, um, so what basically happened is that, um, Trump spent his political capital, you know, advancing the same old true cons agenda.
00:37:41.180And not only that, not only that, but like all through 2017 and 2018 Trumpism, as it becomes institutionalized in power, when it's not just him on the campaign trail, but all these other figures, like, you know, diamond and silk and, um, all these other buffoons, these other buffoons.
00:37:58.820It's just, it's effectively a stupider, more retarded, gayer version of mainstream conservatism.
00:38:16.560Like, you know, I, I, I think it's difficult to imagine the diamond and silk phenomenon occurring under Romney because he's just too white.
00:38:29.120And like Trump kind of Trump clearly does have an appeal to African-Americans.
00:38:33.720I mean, Trump is, is a, almost like a meme in rap songs for the past like 20 years, you know, as just like the image of a rich guy, you know, who's smashing champagne bottles on limousines and has all these babes in the back and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:38:49.520And, uh, so he, he, he, he, he, he got those people, which, which might be actually somewhat effective, but at the same, like, just as I can't imagine diamond and silk under Romney, it's difficult to imagine all of the gay pride stuff that's come under Trump.
00:39:08.540And it's, it's omnipresent at this point.
00:39:11.000Like the, these, these videos that come out, um, that it's not just like some group saying, oh, we're gays, we're Republican gays or whatever.
00:39:19.380That, that you've seen that for decades, but, um, the, these, uh, whenever there is a big rally and these things are really pop on social media and they're getting millions of views, it's this like rainbow flag transvestites, uh, you know, it's just, you know, dancing to YMCA or something.
00:39:39.740Um, it, it is truly bizarre and you could say, okay, culture is just degenerating.
00:39:44.660I get it, but I don't think that would have occurred under Romney if he had ran again in 20, uh, uh, 16 or 2020 or something.
00:39:53.020It just, it was this new thing that Trump brought in and he was indispensable in bringing it in.
00:40:00.760Look at our friend, look at our old friend Milo, right?
00:40:03.220I mean, um, Milo was Steve Bannon's man and what, what, what, what they did is, you know, you look back on it in hindsight is they kind of, the, the, the gay faction or whatever, uh, the cultural libertarian faction, which was part of the alt-white was kind of lifted up by everyone's votes.
00:40:25.660And then after the, during the transition, when the donors made the call, oh, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to let all these cultural degenerates.
00:40:34.860They had this strange, they had this strange vision that like somehow like that people like Milo, PJW, Cernovich and stuff, we're going to take over everything.
00:40:44.000And they were, they were, they were going to be the right wing populist alt-right capos.
00:40:51.040Keep every, keep everyone on the, on the GOP plantation and, and just milk them.
00:40:56.500Otherwise, because, because, you know, people, because people who share our views are totally going to be satisfied with, with the extreme social liberalism of people like Cernovich and, and Milo.
00:41:20.880Um, but yeah, Milo is on the Trump train.
00:41:24.420Um, I, if, if Milo has a platform, but those people were harmed by deplatforming as we all were, but I think they were harmed kind of more intensely in a way.
00:41:35.180Um, then I look at myself and I'm like, I think of like, okay, I am the ultimate kind of swing voter here because number one, I'm pro white and racialist.
00:41:47.100So that kind of like sweet white nationalists, Southern nationalist type.
00:41:50.460So that, so, so, so, so I got that going for me as a non-traditional Republican voter.
00:41:56.780I'm also like a, more of a moderate, moderate anti-war social democratic type of populist.
00:42:05.540So like when, when, when you look at someone like if, if, if I am souring on Trump, giving you like my perspective and my views about this, that's a leading indicator.
00:42:15.560Or look at me, he's losing people who share who he's losing people who, if I'm souring on Trump, which I started from the beginning.
00:42:23.880Like that is an indicator that people who share my kind of mindset or my place in the electorate, not just me, there's millions of people out there who are like cynical about politics, socially conservative, social democratic populist and economics.
00:42:38.300If I'm souring on Trump, that means that's an indicator that he has problems with that demographic.
00:42:51.000I mean, look, look, I mean, I have my own perspective and, and, and my own, you know, outlandish ideas or whatever.
00:42:58.260But at the same time, like I see the Trump cult and things that I found kind of funny or, you know, crazy in a good way in 2016, I now just find extremely distasteful and disheartening.
00:43:13.740And just, just, just, just like, I don't want, I don't want to hear any of this stuff anymore.
00:43:17.100I would prefer to go back to basically neoliberal managers who are managing the decline of America slowly, but surely.
00:43:26.160And I would just prefer that than this toxic, false promise of Trumpism.
00:43:32.500And yeah, I mean, like I'm an unusual character, but like in a way I'm not, like I, I am an expression of like, you know, white liberal, suburban liberals, professionals who are just sick of this crap.
00:43:46.300Yeah, I mean, you actually open up, you actually open up the Christmas present of Trump, of Donald Trump in December of 20, the Christmas present of Donald Trump.
00:43:56.960And what you open up and you find, what you find out to your disgust is that not only is it like, not only is it mainstream conservatism, but it's mainstream conservative conservatism, except now it's extremely dumb and crude and stupid.
00:44:11.540And it's also, it's also, it's also gay. And meanwhile, you're the one who's being blamed, being blamed for having this guy in power, who's totally thrown you under the bus.
00:44:21.280Right. So like we, we, we absorbed the full brunt of the, of the backlash for having this guy in power and what's his, his view of how he's going to transform societies.
00:44:34.600He's going to put Rick Grinnell in power and Rick Grinnell is going to arrest Julian, get Julian Assange arrested, you know, promote homosexuality around the world.
00:44:45.160And you're like, that has absolutely nothing at all zero to do. Like with what, what I was looking for when I supported Trump in the first place.
00:44:56.400He's done nothing. He's done absolutely. He's done absolutely nothing for me. In fact, he's made my life worse.
00:45:02.640Yes. I would not certainly be, you know, facing the kind of backlash. Now I got, obviously my profile promoted beyond imagination, but there, there's always a cost to everything and the cost is high.
00:45:16.660And, and it's kind of like, you know, if I'm going to go walk this, you know, tight rope, then there has to be some kind of reward or otherwise I'm going to just focus on other stuff that that's more kind of intellectually fulfilling.
00:45:30.380And that is basically, yeah, my choice. The other thing I would, I would add to this is that, you know, you and I are, um, uh, close to being the same age.
00:45:39.940I guess I'm, I'm like six years older than you are.
00:45:52.300Yeah. Okay. I was born in 1978. So I'm, I'm on the tail end of the Gen Xers and I, I identify with Gen X. Um, you're just some millennial, uh, no, no, no, actually. Like, I think, I think millennials began in like, um, 82, 1981. No. Okay. So you are officially part of the Gen X.
00:46:12.200I'm literally the last, the, technically the last, absolute last batch of Gen Xers.
00:46:18.060Yeah. I'm a proud Gen Xer. And we're the most right wing right now, by the way, if polls are to believe we're, we're actually the most right wing. Like the, the seniors are just like, Oh, I want Biden. And then the millennials and zoomers are like left as a mile. So we're, we are the most right wing group.
00:46:34.200But anyway, what I was saying is that you and I went through similar trajectories and we kind of went our separate ways, but we, but we kind of had a very similar path that we tread.
00:46:47.820And that was, um, the anti-war movement of the turn of the century. And, you know, when, um, you know, Bush, uh, Bush W. Bush, um, was promising a more humble foreign policy, interestingly in 99 and 2000, but, um, after nine 11 and, um, you know, after all these neocons are, are in his ear, he, he became a, a almost messianic global liberation president.
00:47:16.820At least in rhetoric and to a very large degree in policy. And we were opposed to that. And I think we went over to libertarianism because that was kind of like a coherent way to, uh, to be in opposition to the war movement.
00:47:31.240And, um, I voted for John Kerry in 2004. Um, I'm proud to, I'm proud to say, um, although he was a little bit suspect as an anti-war candidate, um, being that he voted for the thing.
00:47:43.640But, um, that's kind of where we came from. And I, I think at least my perspective on the anti-war thing is like, okay, I'll give maybe one and a half cheers to Donald Trump for the fact that he has not created a new war.
00:47:59.900He only because he's waiting to get through his reelection before he can deal with the rent.
00:48:04.080Well, he might, that might, I mean, you might be right about that. He might.
00:48:08.300I'm extremely cynical. I think if he does, if let's assume Trump wins, I'm assuming that like, he will like get like much more.
00:48:16.900That's why you have all these little shifting alliances going on. Kushner's negotiating. They're trying to line up, you know, uh, anti-Iran.
00:48:25.600They are successfully isolating the Palestinians and Iran by basically getting all of the other Arab countries in, you know, in good relations with Israel.
00:48:35.380Getting all the ducks lined up for, they can go after Iran in the second term after Trump doesn't have to worry about his election.
00:48:40.480Yeah. And John Kerry was kind of saying earlier, like, if you're going to have diplomatic relations with Israel in the Middle East, you have to solve the Palestinian question.
00:48:52.000And basically Kushner and others are like, no, we don't.
00:48:56.360Uh, and again, they've, they've had, there was another, like, you know, uh, understand agreement of understanding that occurred on Thursday or something.
00:49:05.260So they are successfully isolating Iran and the Palestinians and getting Arab countries to get on board with Israel.
00:49:14.840And, um, so all of that kind of anti-Islam, anti-Muslim stuff from 2015, that's out the window.
00:49:21.200Like they're not going to, they're not going to do a Muslim ban now. It's now good Muslims.
00:49:26.580The Muslim ban they did was what banned mainly Iran. The, the, the Shiites were the ones who like weren't, weren't the terrorists.
00:49:35.440And like, I think Saudi Arabia was always exempt from it. And Oh yeah.
00:49:39.580Syria too. And that's like the Syria was a major source. I think Syria was on the list, but yeah, Saudi Arabia was the, is the major source of this ideology and, and actors. Yeah.
00:49:49.040Um, it was, it was, it was total just like, I mean, like he never meant any of this. He was just going with what, but that's, that's the thing you realize about like Trump, like he's just constantly losing interest in like he was, you know, this big immigration warrior or something in 2016.
00:50:07.480Now he's talking mainly about the platinum plan. Oh, remember all this, the forgotten man will be forgotten no longer. It's American car. Remember, remember his speech.
00:50:17.060Americans have dreams too, was what he said about the Americans have dreams and this American carnage is over. He forgot every bit of that. Right. Yeah.
00:50:24.320Now, now it's, and we were talking yesterday, I think we were talking about how Trump actually implemented the 2012 Republican autopsy, right?
00:50:33.680That they needed to, they needed, they didn't, they didn't need to appeal to like, they wanted to move away from whites. Yeah. And they wanted to like the 20. So in 2013, I believe it's when they released it, but it was a, it was an autopsy of the 2012 election. It was basically saying, we're the opportunity party. We need to reach out to African Americans and rising immigrants. And Trump, you know,
00:50:56.600again, Trump was like the repudiation of that, but then he weirdly implemented it. Like he has moved beyond whites and, uh, yeah, the immigration. Remember in 2018, I got all of this shit on Twitter because when Trump was engaging in these things, like bashing liberal journalists, um, and they were calling him racist or whatever.
00:51:21.300And Trump was like, no, I want more immigration than we've ever had because we have all these companies coming into America. We're going to need more workers. Like he was going full on like neocon immigration, you know, stuff.
00:51:35.140But again, no one noticed it. No one noticed it. I noticed it, but then Richard was like the black pill, bitter, you know, uh, bitter Gen Xer and all of all the, all the kind of zoomers are all right. People, whatever they were, they were like, he's bashing Jim Acosta. This is so awesome. And it's like, listen to what he is saying. Not just the, don't just look at the fact that he's being like rude to Jim Acosta. I don't care about Jim Acosta.
00:52:02.720The whole issue is that his idea. It is what it is. His ideology is pro immigration. And like, again, immigration's now just been kind of forgotten. He's, he's moved on. I don't know what's going to happen after COVID lessons and COVID will lessen like what, what he would do if an office, but to return to the anti-war thing, just to tie a bow on it. Um, I, again, as I said, I'll give Trump one and a half cheers for not starting a new war.
00:52:30.940But I think there's a general, a general trajectory that liberals will implement in which we are not going to have another Iraq and, you know, going after Iran and, and, you know, the, um, the, the, the killing of Soleimani and the bombing and so on that, that was extremely provocative. That got people worried about world war three.
00:52:55.020I am not sure the liberals are really willing to do that. I think Obama's, um, intervention into Libya was kind of their last go at that kind of humanitarian intervention.
00:53:07.500And in 2014, Obama had all of his ducks in the row to go after Syria. He had a Republican Congress, but he had all of his ducks in the road to go after Syria and he couldn't do it. He could easily have just said, I'm the president. Um, they crossed the red line. I'm going to, we're going to do a humanitarian intervention and Congress would have granted it.
00:53:29.500But instead he punted Congress didn't want to do it. They sat on the issue and it just died. And I don't think the liberals are basically willing to, to create that level of chaos.
00:53:41.920Now Trump doing another miraculous victory with Kushner there and Bibi Netanyahu, Bibi Netanyahu has been talking about Iran getting a bomb for the last 20 years. I mean, he, he is deadly serious about, um, intervention in Iran. Um, you might be right. Like in terms of the liberals, they seem to just be, as I've said before, managing a slow decline of American empire, which is, you know, is what it is. It's not good. It's not bad.
00:54:09.400But it's, but with Trump, he might actually do it.
00:54:13.600Right. Yeah. I mean, you look at his first term over the course of four years, his foreign policy in the Middle East has been give Israel everything it wants short of war and get all the, get all the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs together and isolate and crush Iran and its allies. Right.
00:54:31.880Yeah. Now, now, now they're all boasting. Trump is the most pro-Jewish, the most, most Zionist president.
00:54:39.400We've ever had, and Jared Kushner is getting credit for all these huge diplomatic triumphs. That's probably because, in my view, that all these Sunni Arab states think that if Trump wins a second term, that Trump and Kushner are going to, you know, really go at it with Iran.
00:54:56.740And they've just like been preparing for it. But he, but first he has to get through his election. Right. When he's gonna be like, I stopped a war. I did, I did, I didn't, but he's gonna do it in his second term.
00:55:08.100That's what I believe for years. And everything, everything I've seen out of the Middle East since then is that he's been like getting all his, you know, ducks in order to really go after Iran in his second term.
00:55:22.440And I don't see, like you said, like, I don't see Biden doing that.
00:55:28.360If Biden, if Biden wins, I think there's less of a chance of war.
00:55:32.140They'll probably try to go back to the nuclear agreement and these tensions on that front.
00:55:37.720Oh, they've saved set as much. That's what they would want to do. Yeah.
00:55:43.040I think it's very deceptive that Trump has been anti, it's like he's been steadily, systematically provoking Iran and has been getting all his diplomatic ducks in order to go after Iran.
00:55:57.380That's, that's my read on it. And he's just trying to get through his election.
00:56:00.000And he might win. Yeah. Let's, I mean, I'm predicting a failure, but, but I, I, you know, I would never say that I'm 100% certain.
00:56:12.560I mean, who knows? Crazy. I don't trust the polls at all. I haven't looked at a single, I haven't looked at that many polls at all, all year.
00:56:22.460I just, I don't trust the polls. I think the polls, it might be deadlocked and thrown to the Supreme Court.
00:56:26.780But I, you know, my main sense of it is that if, if the way I think about Trump probably reflects like the swing voters who put them in office in the first place, if I'm this sour on Trump, he's probably lost, you know, all those millions of people who share my worldview.
00:56:46.080They're not with him anymore. So I just trust my gut, I trust my gut instinct that he's going to lose this election and lose it pretty badly.
00:56:54.760And I don't see anything changing over the next week or so. I think most people, something like 50, 60 million have already voted.
00:57:03.560People have made up their minds of the 150 million that are going to vote. They've made up their minds.
00:57:08.260Now it'd be interesting to see how like Trumpers respond to Trumpers respond.
00:57:14.160This is a good question because we, we could talk about like, where does the alt-right go from here or whatever? I, you know, look, I, I, that, that's just kind of like what we make of it.
00:57:23.560Like I, I'm going to be pursuing certain things and I'm not, I, I'm not going to be under any illusions that we're going to reinvent 2015.
00:57:31.540But I think it's a more kind of interesting analytical question is, is where conservatism can go from here.
00:57:39.940Um, I don't think they could ever like totally denounce Trump.
00:57:47.100Like he, even if he loses and even if he loses in a landslide, they, they need, they, they must recognize on some level, the personality cult that he created, um, the kind of power of nationalism, particularly vis-a-vis woke ism, you know, and just the, the left overreaching and being seeming insane and irrational.
00:58:11.640And I don't think they're going to fully, I don't think there's going to be, if, if he loses and loses bad, I still don't think there's going to be some repudiation of Trump.
00:58:21.200I think that they, they kind of can't.
00:58:24.520And much like the religious right, they're going to kind of try to corral that energy and those people.
00:58:29.980And this QAnon cultists who are, are, are, are in their coalition now, they're going to have to kind of square the circle in some way.
00:58:37.700And, and I don't think they're going to ever get rid of that, like Trumpian nationalism, whatever that means in terms of policy.
00:58:44.820I mean, I've always, I've been saying for like four or five years now, it'd be interesting to see like what happens when all these people who went to sleep trusting the plan in 2016, wake up and they find out, you know, actually Trump didn't make America great again.
00:58:57.460And actually, actually, actually, actually, actually things are, are, are worse.
00:59:02.860And this will be a far bigger blow to, this was going to be a far bigger blow to them than Obama winning.
00:59:44.760They have, I mean, like the Democrats and the people, they, yeah, they've got rid of Trump, but like, in order to get rid of Trump, they, what, lie, they use violence, they threw out, this can't, this can't, if he loses, this can't, but like, radicalize his supporters.
01:00:15.260Um, you've seen law, you've seen, you've seen people like, to the point where they're not even, these Democrat cities aren't even enforcing the law.
01:00:22.580They just allow like anarchists to go, BLM to go get violent, and they, you know, blame it all on white supremacy and racism and systemic racism.
01:00:33.400I, I just, I just, I think, I think that, you know, his supporters are going to get far more radicalized.
01:00:38.260And I think it might be like, what is it called?
01:00:58.760And this kind of sticks with my, um, forecast that, that Trumpism won't die, even if he loses.
01:01:05.640No, which, which you're going to, the people who are going to benefit the most from Trump going down, you're going to have a huge revival of the Patriot movement in my view.
01:01:13.800Like, the Patriot movement is going to go, is going to go through the roof like it did with, um, in the late nineties.
01:01:38.000Um, I think the GOP is going to be hard because I, I mean, and, and I'll, I'll be posting this, uh, in the coming next two days, but, um, I just see like, uh, I see at least the potential for pretty much long-term democratic hegemony in Washington.
01:02:00.120Like if they don't screw it up and they might screw it up by going like too woke or whatever, uh, or, or, or like overreacting to Corona virus and just, you know, never, you know, not, you know, never let the economy, you know, go back or whatever.
01:02:17.780Um, but yeah, I mean, the, the, the Senate was a kind, the Senate and electoral college were kind of reactionary institutions in the sense that, you know, senators are,
01:02:32.240And so, you know, here in, in Montana, where we have 1 million people and like 7 million cows, um, we have two senators, California, which has 60 million, doesn't it?
01:02:44.900Like it's a, it's a weird, like reactionary, at least geographically institution.
01:02:51.440And, um, you know, and that was one of the ways why the GOP was able not to, to win the electoral college, a, and B.
01:02:59.600Not just a hold on to the Senate in 2018, but actually increase their lead.
01:03:05.280And remember in 2018 was a wave election that they had, the Democrats had a higher percentage.
01:03:11.100They were up by close to 10 points nationally.
01:03:14.380And so that, that was greater than the tea party election, which was up by seven points and the 1994, um, uh, revolution, so-called revolution.
01:03:24.200Uh, and so we're going to see long-term hegemony in the House.
01:03:29.160And if the Democrats take the Senate, they will have kind of like overcome that inherent kind of reactionary element within the Senate structure.
01:04:05.780But other than that, they just, the Republicans are not a national party.
01:04:11.500And I, I think we might, like, if you look back at the FDR coalition over the course of the 20th century, like from like the early thirties up until like realignment, which took a long time.
01:04:25.300I mean, realignment was like very slow, um, you know, from the thirties to like the eighties or nineties, you had like hegemony.
01:04:35.620I mean, they, you just had one democratic Congress after another, and there were occasionally like two years of the GOP control Congress, but you know, it was, it was, they, they won it back two years later.
01:04:45.840And I, I, you know, the Democrats are kind of like, it's, they are the hegemonic party and it's theirs to lose at this point.
01:04:56.440Believe me, they could screw it up going full on woke and all this kind of crap.
01:04:59.960All those suburbanites might very well go back to the GOP.
01:05:02.820It would just be like, all right, no, you're not.
01:05:04.640In my view, like, um, we're in a very, very different place because in the early 20th and this, uh, you ever heard, you ever heard of Robert Putnam guy who wrote Bowling Alone, you know, had to study about how diversity is not a strain.
01:05:22.280And it's basically about a lot of the stuff that I've been talking about.
01:05:24.520Well, in the early 20th century, and I've been studying this era when you had the depression and world war two, what, what the depression and world war two,
01:05:34.640what you did is it like brought the country together, social capital increased.
01:05:41.240The country was, um, putting kind of like individualist, individualistic concerns behind them.
01:05:47.100It was more of a focus on the common good.
01:05:50.760Um, economic inequality was drastically reduced by the new deal and the war.
01:05:58.480And we're, we're in high levels of taxation.
01:06:18.060Um, there's an absolute distrust and it's cratered in institutions.
01:06:23.940In my view, looking at, looking at the, um, trajectory of the country and seeing, anticipating the reaction it's going to have when Biden gets there on the right after using these methods.
01:06:35.640I think we're going to, I've publicly said, I think we're going to tip over into violence at some point within the next five years.
01:06:42.440Well, I think it's going to, I think it's going to, we're already there.
01:06:46.280Not because I, not, but yeah, not because I advocate it, but just looking at historical trends and historical patterns.
01:07:05.280You know, wear a suit, go talk to the press, you know, get your name out there, you know, riding high.
01:07:11.980And that Antifa member, whoever he was, was just like, no, we are shutting this down through, through violence because the media won't do it.
01:08:26.300More conservatives and Republicans approve of political violence now than Democrats.
01:08:32.640And this, this is, this is, this is, it's kind of flipped in the last six months as, as, as, as ever since the George Floyd BLM Republicans and conservatives are getting more and more.
01:08:44.680I mean, they're saying like, you know, we're being pushed out of power because the opposition has thrown moral standards out, out, out to the wind.
01:08:59.380I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think, I don't think we're going back to like David, David Frenchism.
01:09:07.240In fact, I think we're going to go to extremely dark place.
01:09:10.120I think that the conservatives are going to get violent.
01:09:12.340And, and Biden won't be able to handle this because this is the thing, Biden, um, you know, what was his first television commercial when he announced his campaign?
01:10:37.620He has a history of being anti-socialism, being anti-crime, et cetera.
01:10:43.320He's kind of the perfect point person who can win.
01:10:46.740But once these forces become fully unleashed, they're going to send him out on a rail like they did LBJ.
01:10:54.900Remember LBJ in 1964, he defeated Goldwater, who was a, um, like at least the way he was viewed, he was viewed as a force of fascism or extremism.
01:11:07.060Like he, there was this famous, um, television commercial called the Daisy commercial, which I believe only aired once, but even pre-social media, it just got, it was in everyone's mind.
01:11:18.100It was this little girl picking a daisy and then she like looks up and there's like a nuclear blast.
01:11:27.320But basically LBJ was saying like this Goldwater guy is nuts and Goldwater cemented that conservative ideology of free markets on the home front, you know, uh, rollback communism, hot war abroad.
01:11:44.940And LBJ kind of promised a certain type of back to normalcy.
01:11:50.680And he, he kind of said, you know, we're not going to go there.
01:11:57.840So he fought off fascism and, and, and, and, you know, a, a speech that was supposedly written by Harry Jaffa, um, basically, um, Goldwater said, you know, um, extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.
01:12:09.420And so he was kind of owning the rough and tumble conservative and, and LBJ was seen as normal.
01:12:17.760And then, um, but, but the thing is by the late sixties, um, LBJ, when he was running for reelection in 1968, I believe he lost New Hampshire.
01:12:27.360Um, um, if I'm correct, much like Biden, um, did, and then he basically dropped out.
01:12:35.040So he was this extremely impactful president.
01:14:39.900And George Herbert Walker Bush was this like bastion of like wasp America as well.
01:14:44.000You know, I went to Yale and played first base for the team.
01:14:47.220And here's, here's what the left has made him.
01:14:48.680Here's what the left has made him a mistake.
01:14:50.500First of all, they, the volcanic reaction to Trump's victory, Donald Trump was never who they thought that was never who they thought he was.
01:15:27.600You enjoy like sharing ideas and talking to people and baiting and almost like a class, almost like a classical liberal in a sense that you like engaging with other points of view.
01:15:38.420And in fact, and in fact, the alt-right was, of course, completely against war, right?
01:15:55.260Our, our Gen X alt-right movement was never pro-violence, was never pro-war, was never fascist in any, but an ironic maybe sense of the word.
01:16:07.000So no one was actually, if no one was, if we were actually in power, we wouldn't be using violence against people.
01:16:13.760But, well, the left actually thought that, you know, Trump was a fascist and we were white supremacists and any means, any, they've used any means that they're supposed to.
01:16:23.220So now what's going to happen is that when they've thrown off the gloves and have gone after the ordinary conservative patriot types, the point where actually they're killing them in the streets.
01:16:32.940Those people are going to get violent.
01:16:47.180And it's no, because, because they've, they've learned the only way that you can deal with, deal with like violent anarchists and communists is given what you, what you've.
01:16:58.160Well, look at the Ritterhouse, that's his last name, isn't it?
01:17:05.000It's a sign that the right is becoming more.
01:17:07.200Yeah, and let, let's be objective about this young man and, and, and not kind of, you know, valorize him in the way that, that he has been on, on large segments, the right.
01:17:20.140So he, at the end of the day, he went across state lines in, with a weapon in order to protect property.
01:17:31.040But like, let's be honest, he was itching for a fight and that doesn't mean that he is guilty or that he, he, he didn't act in self-defense.
01:17:43.300It's very different than like a guy just at his own home and his home gets raided and he, you know, wastes them or something with his own weapon.
01:17:51.700That, that's a totally different situation.
01:17:53.460This guy really was going out there and that, you know, however you feel about him and, um, you know, that, that is a sign of vigilantism that is kind of brewing, uh, you know, among these people and for what it's worth, this is all is kind of a funny anecdote that's, that's personal.
01:18:14.880But do you remember the boomer bomber from like 20, 18?
01:18:20.000So this guy who was like a non, he was like a white-ish kind of male stripper who lived in a van.
01:18:27.080Um, so he, and he created, he, he incompetently tried to bomb people.
01:18:33.000Um, so, uh, he, he, he was going to mail bombs to some of these big liberals.
01:18:38.560So I was informed by the FBI that I was next on his list.
01:18:44.300So when they raided his van and they found his like list of people, I was there.
01:18:49.120So I, I, so I was like, I'm, I, I joked with them there and they kind of looked at me like this.
01:18:53.980I go, well, I guess it's a thrill to be nominated because they said like, we have a duty to warn, um, if someone, and I've gotten these things kind of things before.
01:19:02.720Um, and so I was on his legal pad of like, you know, first we'll do the big wigs like Obama and whatever.
01:19:09.700And then like, if we have time, then we'll bomb Richard Spencer.