RadixJournal - 2020 Aftermath

00:00:00.100 It's Thursday, October 29th, and welcome back to The McSpencer Group.

00:00:06.080 I'm joined today by Bradley Griffin, a man so Southern that his ancestors seceded from the Confederacy.

00:00:14.100 Main topic, 2020 aftermath.

00:00:18.000 The horses are rounding the turn and headed to the final stretch. 0.98

00:00:21.420 In days, Americans will be presented with a stark choice between an old, out-of-touch, racist white guy and Donald Trump. 0.96

00:00:30.440 Brad and I delve into the gory details of the latest scandals. 0.95

00:00:34.700 But we also take a step back and ask some big questions.

00:00:39.180 Did Trump stumble upon an electoral strategy, right-wing populism, which gave him a miraculous victory in 2016 that simply can't be replicated?

00:00:49.120 And after Trump loses, will the GOP give up on MAGA or embrace it?

00:00:54.820 And finally, is political violence and rioting here to stay?

00:00:59.060 And what does that mean for the coming Biden regime?

00:01:02.760 We discuss.

00:01:04.940 How have you been?

00:01:06.980 Doing good.

00:01:08.060 How are you, Richard?

00:01:09.080 I'm well.

00:01:10.120 Have you been looking through all of the political erotica which has been bequeathed to us recently?

00:01:17.080 This is just really wonderful images of Hunter Biden's escapades, a Casanova of the globalist class of sorts.

00:01:31.040 I saw some of the images circulating on Twitter.

00:01:35.260 Then people were directing me to 4chan and I went over and I took a look.

00:01:41.280 I would say that Hunter Biden, I would say Hunter Biden is beyond good and evil.

00:01:46.620 And is completely, completely not limited.

00:01:53.000 He's moved beyond good and evil and he's reached awful.

00:01:57.120 Just, yeah.

00:02:00.080 Yeah, that is not wrong.

00:02:04.060 I would say this.

00:02:05.520 I really don't think this stuff is going to matter a whole lot.

00:02:14.080 I think it's kind of funny, actually.

00:02:16.220 Yeah.

00:02:16.920 I mean, I did a podcast before the really kind of gross stuff came out.

00:02:24.420 And I was like, you know, do some of these allegations make Biden seem like relatable and cool?

00:02:30.700 You know, I was kind of joking.

00:02:32.120 I mean, obviously a lot of this stuff of getting a foot massage du jour, I guess.

00:02:37.660 And, you know, just smoking crack and things like it's just you get an image of this child of privilege who is given these opportunities to be a bigwig in the global circuit.

00:02:52.660 Circuit and achieve that to a degree. 0.99

00:02:55.900 But you basically just see this person who's, you know, given an opportunity to be either powerful or just degenerate and stupid. 1.00

00:03:04.600 And he chose the latter. 0.99

00:03:05.980 And we're just kind of getting a glimpse of it. 0.97

00:03:08.860 And it's pathetic and not erotic. 0.80

00:03:12.780 I would say that we underestimate the degree to which there's just been a general like coarsening and degeneration among Americans to the point where I wonder if they're even shocked about this kind of stuff. 0.92

00:03:28.780 I mean, I hate to say it.

00:03:32.640 I mean, who who was the politician?

00:03:35.220 I believe he's from Colorado.

00:03:36.800 And this is back in the 90s.

00:03:38.400 And he was he had to resign his campaign, even though he's doing quite well, if not leading due to he was carrying on a love affair.

00:03:48.400 Do you remember who I'm speaking of?

00:03:50.400 There was a movie about him with Hugh Jackman.

00:03:52.320 Yeah, I'm I'll have to look it up.

00:03:54.220 But, you know, there was this man who was obviously flawed and maybe there were problems in his marriage, but he was there were like images of him like on a boat with some woman his age.

00:04:05.620 He was carrying on a love affair with.

00:04:08.320 And sure, you know, I understand how a traditionalist like yourself might not like this, but this was a like age appropriate, extremely normal kind of sympathetic love affair that he was carrying on, you know, and it is what it is.

00:04:29.680 And I think what we're going to see, you know, going forward are not like, oh, did you carry on a love affair?

00:04:38.560 But, oh, were you getting a foot massage from a transsexual while doing, you know, PHP or something like it? 0.99

00:04:46.780 We've just degenerated to this level. 0.54

00:04:49.760 Yeah, I mean, like I'm a like I said, I'm a traditionalist and I should be like shocked by this, but like I'm actually not shocked at all.

00:04:58.880 In fact, I'm kind of curious what's on Don Jr.'s laptop.

00:05:03.880 Yeah.

00:05:04.800 I mean, are the or the Trump is the Trump family like really like pretending to be like any different.

00:05:11.380 Right.

00:05:11.940 Different year.

00:05:13.080 I mean, yeah.

00:05:14.040 Come on now.

00:05:14.960 I mean, look, I mean, Donald Trump is on his third wife.

00:05:18.420 We've seen all his sex scandals.

00:05:20.600 We've kind of blown them off.

00:05:22.320 And I mean, you see what Don Jr.

00:05:25.420 is hooked up with Kimberly Guilfault.

00:05:27.380 So, yeah, I mean, I think this is this is this is probably the I mean, in terms of, you know, I mean, the lifestyle of these privileged.

00:05:36.980 The lifestyle of the Richard came to see.

00:05:39.260 Yeah, I do not.

00:05:40.980 I mean, this idea that, you know, they're up on their moral high horse about it is just kind of it's just kind of it's just kind of so this is what we expect from our elites that they, you know, leave completely amoral.

00:05:51.980 They're all hedonistic lifestyles and, you know, use their wealth and privilege to indulge in any kind of degenerate, decadent behavior that strikes their fancy.

00:06:03.060 So, yes, I mean, this is just this is this is this is what I've always it's not shocking because this is how we assume that our political class operates in general. 0.89

00:06:11.780 This is I mean, so some people are saying that, you know, he I know I think it's come out that he had sex with his that Hunter Biden had sex with Bo's wife, Bo's wife. 0.99

00:06:25.320 Yeah, you know, I find that more disturbing in a way than than like banging some prostitute, to be honest, because to do that, to get a foot massage from some prostitute, whatever. 0.99

00:06:43.040 I mean, I again, I'm not into that kind of thing and I and I find it gross, but but whatever. 0.98

00:06:49.780 But to carry on a love affair with the widow of your brother who recently passed, I don't know.

00:06:57.260 There's just something a bit disturbing about that, to be honest.

00:07:02.000 Allegedly, allegedly, he also had of course. 0.95

00:07:05.540 Well, this is what the all the buzz about Hunter Biden is, is that like he also had sex with his niece.

00:07:13.040 As well, there was a I haven't seen that.

00:07:17.240 I haven't seen there were text messages where where it seemed like he was inappropriate with his niece.

00:07:22.940 And I think some people in the kind of right wing bubble of Twitter are expanding that to there's child porn on his laptop, which I do not think, at least from what I've seen now, I do not think that is true.

00:07:35.400 That's also something extremely heinous and and and out of bounds.

00:07:39.840 I mean, I, you know, put aside Joe Biden. 0.87

00:07:43.060 I mean, you know, you're you're you have all this child pornography on your laptop.

00:07:47.820 I mean, you should just simply be arrested immediately.

00:07:50.020 I mean, that's just appalling.

00:07:52.720 But I think that's an exaggeration.

00:07:55.700 I think he was this guy is out of control.

00:07:58.940 I mean, that's clear.

00:08:00.940 He's just descending into like nihilism, you know, basically.

00:08:05.160 Yeah.

00:08:05.500 That were the tweet with the tweet.

00:08:08.200 It actually showed it showed him doing pushups in like, I guess, is this house or something.

00:08:12.180 Yeah.

00:08:12.860 Like kind of reminded me of like Patrick Bateman from.

00:08:16.620 Yes.

00:08:17.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:18.400 There he's like a.

00:08:19.960 Yeah.

00:08:20.920 And in the 1980s, 1990s.

00:08:24.280 Yeah, but but I think what it is, is that he was getting inappropriate with his niece, which, again, it might actually say something about him.

00:08:32.900 The fact that he is he has these attractions to his brother's life.

00:08:37.640 I mean, there might even be a kind of inferiority complex going on.

00:08:42.020 Beau Biden was the one who stayed above board.

00:08:45.180 I don't you know, we don't know what Biden did in his free time, but he, you know, he was involved in the military and was kind of a, you know, a better moral paragon, a moral paragon of the globalist class, you could say.

00:09:04.140 And I wonder if there was some kind of weird jealousy going on.

00:09:07.460 I mean, we can only speculate, but it it doesn't you know, I do find that kind of stuff rather just odd and and, you know, disturbing, kind of more disturbing than visiting a prostitute in a way. 1.00

00:09:21.520 Almost like sympathy for the old man who has to deal with his damn sons. 0.99

00:09:27.100 Yeah, his degenerate sons having all his all their dirty laundry, you know, aired. 1.00

00:09:35.500 I guess I guess I have a little bit of sympathy for Hunter even.

00:09:39.280 I mean, he is being taken through the ringer.

00:09:43.800 I mean, you do not come back from this.

00:09:46.720 I mean, this is just utter personal destruction.

00:09:50.800 Not saying that he's he's a good person and that it's tragic or something.

00:09:56.460 But I'm just saying, like, you know, there are other people who descend into nihilism and don't do not have that broadcast over the Internet.

00:10:06.660 And he is is having that problem.

00:10:10.300 So I do have a little touch of sympathy for Hunter.

00:10:14.860 I mean, he clearly is disturbed.

00:10:16.600 I know. I mean, like, it's it's it's a sad, pathetic example of, of, you know, the children of elites. 0.98

00:10:23.340 And I would love to see what's on Don Jr.'s laptop because I'm sure it's I'm sure Don Jr. 0.55

00:10:28.780 and Eric Trump is pretty much no difference at all, especially considering that, you know, didn't Don Jr.

00:10:35.240 leave his wife, abandon his wife or.

00:10:38.680 Yes. Yeah.

00:10:40.440 Yeah. Kimberly Guilfoyle is this like demon. 0.99

00:10:43.700 Yeah. I mean, she who knows what's on her laptop?

00:10:47.460 I mean, and she's, you know, and she's totally power hungry. 1.00

00:10:51.880 I mean, you can just sense there's a little bit of, you know, Evita Peron in her or something like she she just she marries politicians. 1.00

00:11:01.380 She gives these kind of fascist like speeches at the RNC.

00:11:05.940 She's wildly ambitious woman. 0.91

00:11:08.120 And at least there were these accusations, which I would stress that these are accusations and I've been accused of things as well. 0.90

00:11:16.560 So I I would stress highly, you know, these are accusations, but that she was she's kind of a sexual demon in her own right. 1.00

00:11:25.440 And and like gets Fox News interns, females to give her boob massages. 1.00

00:11:31.060 And, you know, seriously, we're supposed to believe that, you know, there's a huge moral and cultural difference between it's just absolutely compelling between the lifestyle of Donald Trump.

00:11:43.900 And Don Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle and their lifestyle of Hunter Biden in that, like, it's I mean, especially, you know, especially with Trump being the president, it's really hard to make to make the argument that Trump is setting a better moral example.

00:12:04.840 No, no. I mean, who knows? We're recording this on Sunday, but who knows?

00:12:09.420 Maybe these the the the most outlandish version of the Steele dossier is going to be released on Monday.

00:12:15.440 Who knows about Trump? Like, you know, I never believed that stuff or the very least, I kind of took it with a huge grain of salt and was just kind of like, well, maybe there's something going on there with some Russian prostitute, you know, whatever. 0.72

00:12:29.760 This guy is a degenerate billionaire. You can just buy anything and whatever. 0.93

00:12:34.640 But it ultimately brings me to my final conclusion, which is that if anyone is if any global elitist is willing to adopt me, then I will promise to live a decadent yet ultimately redeemable lifestyle.

00:12:54.260 So I'm talking fast cars, a little boozing here and there, you know, the the jet setting, but I will never do I have no interest in all of the crap that Hunter got involved in.

00:13:07.380 So I would be the good decadent son that you'd be proud of and you kind of shake your head and be like, well, boys will be boys.

00:13:13.500 But I would never jeopardize your political career. Just saying, I know it's kind of, you know, this is to adopt a 42 year old who just wants to live a boyish lifestyle. 0.91

00:13:26.260 But I'm just saying it's the the option is out there. I would be good.

00:13:30.720 Yeah, I don't I don't really see it. And it's one of the big things is, you know, I mean, the election is how many people have already voted?

00:13:38.020 It's a ton. Millions. I think it's like 50 to 60 million have already voted.

00:13:46.660 Yeah, like 650 to 60 million people have already voted. So, like, you know, the time to release all this stuff was, you know, that window kind of passed.

00:13:54.060 Yeah. And again, whether it whether if they released it a month ago, it would have an effect is is debatable.

00:14:00.540 Yeah. And and also what we're seeing is that the 18 to 29 year old set of voters, they are increasing their participation by multifolds.

00:14:15.440 And not only do they lean Democratic and towards Biden, they also would probably be the least likely to be scandalized by the stuff.

00:14:24.980 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't I don't see in the people who would be the most scandalized by it, too, would be, you know, the oldest people, the most right senior citizens.

00:14:37.100 And Trump has lost them because of the way he's handled covid. Yeah, they're all they're all concerned about covid and not so much as Hunter Biden's sex scandal.

00:14:50.520 Yes, I think so. And they might also be so out of tune with Internet culture that they don't know this is going on or they've kind of vaguely heard about it and they might have heard talk of it on Fox News, but they don't really see it.

00:15:06.660 And in this way, the deplatforming actually does work in the sense of just the you know, again, I totally oppose what Twitter has done to the New York Post, but like on an ethical standpoint.

00:15:21.460 But at the same time, it actually might very well have have worked in terms of keeping the material away from from older voters and they might have already kind of made up their mind.

00:15:32.580 I mean, they feel like Trump is abandoning them, doesn't care about them.

00:15:38.040 They you know, Biden is one of them in some ways.

00:15:41.380 The the, you know, vague senility that he suffers from does not bother them.

00:15:45.860 They're suffering from it as well. And, you know, Trump was willing to let them die. 0.64

00:15:53.540 So the stock market would go up that that train has left the station six months ago.

00:15:58.400 And so it's just not it's it's not going to really touch them.

00:16:02.720 But all right, let's do this.

00:16:06.380 So we talked about the utterly sensationalist tabloid level material.

00:16:11.920 It's it is disturbing and sad, but I don't think it's going to really affect the campaign.

00:16:19.360 But I think what I'm interested in and I wanted to get your feedback and maybe even push back on this.

00:16:28.100 But the the kind of, you know, the state of the populist right and how Trump is kind of like, you know, he actualized the populist right, something that was that was simmering there for a long time.

00:16:47.960 He actualized it. But I think he also kind of demonstrated its limits and maybe even weirdly ended it at the same time.

00:16:56.660 And so let me let me talk a little bit about what I'm saying here.

00:17:01.840 So Trump is wildly popular in the Republican Party.

00:17:07.180 He has 90 percent plus approval ratings within the Republican Party in terms of the primaries.

00:17:14.260 Now, granted, he didn't have a challenger, but he was getting you know, they there's some group out there that's talking about this.

00:17:21.780 Like if an incumbent is getting 70 plus percent in primaries, then he's like almost guaranteed to win because this this shows that he is consolidating his power base.

00:17:33.480 He is not viewed as a lame truck, a duck or a betrayer or anything.

00:17:38.060 He is he's got his team in line and that's what you need.

00:17:41.960 Like, you know, before you face the other football team, you've got to make sure that you're like offensive line is blocking the right guys.

00:17:49.040 If you kind of get my metaphor here, you've got to have everything in order.

00:17:52.740 You've got to protect the quarterback before you even talk about like, oh, we're going to throw this, you know, flea flicker touchdown pass or something.

00:17:59.640 And and I think that that is a fair assessment and Trumpism MAGA is almost like beyond policy at this point.

00:18:09.600 Like being MAGA is almost a lifestyle and you go to these events and they're basically like comic routines.

00:18:18.300 You know, Trump, Trump, they're not not not particularly funny comedy routines, at least from my standpoint, but that's what they are.

00:18:25.220 He's going up there and he was like, so, you know, these guys came up to me.

00:18:28.760 They're like, sir, sir, you've got the covid.

00:18:30.580 And then I wasn't feeling too good.

00:18:32.100 I wasn't feeling too good.

00:18:33.100 And then I took the Regeneron.

00:18:34.780 Boom, I'm feeling amazing.

00:18:36.240 I wanted to rip my shirt off.

00:18:37.520 And all these people are like, oh, they love it.

00:18:40.760 They eat it up.

00:18:42.160 And he is just this MAGA has become it's been a lifestyle.

00:18:46.320 It's become a comedy routine.

00:18:47.720 And you and I might roll our eyes at this or whatever, but it is popular.

00:18:53.020 Like, you cannot deny that.

00:18:56.100 And but I think so that's where we are right now.

00:19:00.060 But in terms of the basically a populist strategy, I think we've seen the limits of this.

00:19:09.560 And so let's let's go back to 2016, Trump lost the popular vote, as we know.

00:19:18.960 So that is not unusual.

00:19:21.460 Republicans have been losing the popular vote since 1992, with 2004 being one exception.

00:19:28.460 So it's already kind of built in that it's difficult for them to to win a huge majority like Nixon did in 72 or Reagan in 84.

00:19:36.640 And but what Trump did is that he reached different voters and through those different voters, he was able to put together a electoral college coalition that is that was a winner.

00:19:54.780 And you can't deny that.

00:19:56.120 And so he did this first off by descending the golden escalator and saying my campaigns about immigration, the wall, populism.

00:20:07.180 You know, they're not sending their best, their rapists, their murderers.

00:20:10.400 They're not like you.

00:20:11.360 You're good people.

00:20:12.700 He defined himself on immigration immediately.

00:20:15.560 That was also an issue that Romney talked about, but certainly did not make the preeminent issue of his campaign.

00:20:21.460 And he also Trump also had this fuck the system component to him of, you know, that's why we liked him at some level. 0.99

00:20:30.540 You know, it's like we just screw it. 0.99

00:20:33.140 We don't want these politicians. 0.97

00:20:34.700 We want a total outsider, a guy who's going to be a bully on stage who has wild ideas and is crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need right now.

00:20:43.020 And so he was able to reach different voters and then he put together an unlikely, improbable and precarious electoral college strategy.

00:20:54.180 I think he stumbled upon it more than he like thought through this, but he stumbled upon this way of reaching former Obama voters in the Midwest or people who are apathetic, actualizing them as Trump voters.

00:21:10.340 And putting together this, this coalition that entailed, you know, winning Michigan by 10,000 votes and just, just, just totally improbable, razor thin, you know, high tightrope acts that he accomplished in 2016.

00:21:27.800 Um, the issue with this.

00:21:31.120 And so I, I think in some ways, this is a 2016 was a redemption of right-wing populism where you kind of talk about, I'm going to take care of you.

00:21:40.300 The system's rigged.

00:21:41.220 I'm going to rig it on your behalf.

00:21:42.520 I'm going to talk about immigration. 0.99

00:21:43.800 We're going to kick out the illegals. 1.00

00:21:45.600 We're going to maybe even do immigration reform, which they were talking about.

00:21:48.660 Um, but the problem is, is that it's, it was a redemption of the, that you could call it the sailor strategy if you want.

00:21:57.660 Um, but that right-wing populist strategy, but it also showed the limits of that.

00:22:03.400 So, um, people forget this.

00:22:06.440 Uh, Trump won less of the white vote than Mitt Romney did.

00:22:12.860 Uh, Mitt Romney got 59.

00:22:15.440 Trump got 58.

00:22:16.400 It was small, but actually significant.

00:22:18.660 He was able to win by winning over different whites.

00:22:23.340 So he won over whites that either stayed at home or voted for Obama.

00:22:28.260 Uh, and then he, and he won the election that way, but he actually did win fewer white people and he won more minorities.

00:22:35.300 He increased his lead among minorities.

00:22:37.500 Now there is some reason to believe that he's going to do well with Hispanics in Florida because he's a big, tough guy and whatever. 1.00

00:22:44.640 He has the endorsement of 50 cent.

00:22:48.080 Could you imagine 50 cent endorsing Mitt Romney?

00:22:52.240 No.

00:22:52.980 Um, you know, uh, never in a million years.

00:22:56.300 Uh, Kanye has kind of, you know, Kanye is running himself, but Kanye was at least attracted to Trumpism for, for a time.

00:23:03.840 And so he's weird, like through his own brash persona, he's kind of winning over some unlikely Republican voters who, who really aren't Republican voters.

00:23:14.420 They're Trump voters.

00:23:16.040 Um, but then at the same time, he is getting decimated among whites. 0.55

00:23:21.580 So like we, you know, I talk about this a lot, but everyone talks about this a lot.

00:23:26.660 Whites with college degrees are just fleeing the GOP.

00:23:31.360 Suburban uppity professionals are just, they can't stand the stuff. 0.99

00:23:36.600 They hate it.

00:23:37.520 They're running away from it.

00:23:38.940 And in the, uh, 2018 midterms, the GOP was getting 55% of the white vote.

00:23:46.620 Now that is down 10 points from, um, eight years earlier in 2010, when they got 65% of the white vote and just ran away with that election vis-a-vis Obama.

00:23:58.040 Um, I have seen polls now, granted, these are polls.

00:24:02.660 It's not real voting and, you know, and you should even show some skepticism towards exit polling, but it's looking like Trump might get 54, maybe even 51% of the white vote in 2020.

00:24:16.440 And you just can't do it that way.

00:24:19.420 So this kind of gets back to my general thesis, which is that Trump demonstrated the power of right-wing populism strategy, what is called among, in our circles, the sailor strategy.

00:24:34.660 I think kind of misnamed, to be honest, but the sailor strategy.

00:24:37.900 But then he's also shown its limits and it's kind of the fact that it is now unworkable.

00:24:43.120 And there, I've talked for a little bit, so I'll let you go on this one.

00:24:47.180 Okay.

00:24:47.620 I agree with, um, a lot of what you, what you had to say there.

00:24:52.100 What I would, from where I'm standing, I'm not like, uh, I don't consider myself a right-wing populist.

00:24:59.560 A right-wing populist is a populist who's more focused on culture war issues, more, more, leans a lot more heavily towards social issues than, uh, economic issues.

00:25:12.940 My, my form of populism would be like, you know, your classical, early, mid-20th century, Southern Democrat is the Huey Long type of Democrat.

00:25:27.880 That is, that is more where I am.

00:25:29.280 So I'm, I'm, I'm a much more moderate to the left kind of, uh, populist.

00:25:36.320 And people who share my kind of views, it turns out, are mostly concentrated in the upper Midwest.

00:25:43.620 You got a, more of a social democratic type of socially conservative.

00:25:48.720 You support social conservatism.

00:25:50.240 You support, uh, social democracy.

00:25:51.860 And so, like, that's the difference between, I would say, where I'm at on the political spectrum is much further to the left.

00:26:01.680 Um, I'm kind of like a left authoritarian, Huey Long type of populist, whereas Nick Fuentes is more of the, into the right side.

00:26:13.440 In other words, he's a lot more comfortable with economic liberalism than I am.

00:26:18.740 So, like, when, when, when, when Trump was rising, what, I didn't just hear, you know, I didn't, in, in the 2016 campaign, people like me, um, much, much more, much more to the left than, um, more, more moderate people than people like Fuentes, who supported Cruz, of course, in the primary.

00:26:40.120 But what I heard Trump say was, okay, we're going to, the Iraq war was a disaster.

00:26:46.520 We're going to protect Social Security and Medicare. 1.00

00:26:49.300 Conservatives are useless. 0.87

00:26:52.840 Um, one of the huge, biggest things that came across that makes, that made me like Trump is Trump says, I'm self-financing my campaign. 0.99

00:27:00.120 I'm going to be independent of the Republican donors.

00:27:02.980 That's what he did throughout the entire primary process.

00:27:07.940 And he also said that, you know, we're going to take on Wall Street.

00:27:11.840 Wall Street's back in Hillary, Hillary Clinton.

00:27:14.900 They're making a killing.

00:27:15.760 We're going to tax hedge funds and all this.

00:27:18.100 Now, granted, granted, it was clear at the time.

00:27:21.680 And in fact, like when the media would always call me to ask about Trump during this campaign, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I generally like Trump, but I kind of have some reservations about him.

00:27:30.720 I see like he's, I see like his tax plan, right, is just this, um, how would you put it?

00:27:38.960 Like Larry Kudlow, supply side, traditional, conservative, neoliberal kind of thing, right?

00:27:47.140 But he didn't emphasize that so much in the campaign.

00:27:49.500 He just kind of like put it out there, right?

00:27:52.220 So, um, what I would say is that Trump won the Midwest, not because he won right wing populists, but because he resonate, his message, campaign message struck swing vote, more moderate leaning populist swing voters in states like Iowa, Minnesota, um, really all around the northern rim of the United States.

00:28:17.800 Um, which has always traditionally been like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, this, these places have always been traditionally anti-war and social democratic and social democratic.

00:28:31.620 And that was the aspects of this.

00:28:34.460 When those people saw Trump in 2016, they're like, okay, well, um, we're getting rid of the old kind of conservatism and we're going to move into a more anti-war social democratic direction.

00:28:47.080 Plus we're going to have, you know, secure borders and all the stuff like you would hear on Tucker Carlson every night, right?

00:28:53.600 Well, well, he, he won the, well, two things.

00:28:57.820 He won a lot of these more moderate social democratic left-leaning populist types in the northern states, people who had been disaffected with politics because they hate the democratic party and the Republican party and showed up, um, to vote for him in 2016.

00:29:14.520 Now, at the same time, he lost, he lost, he lost a lot of the traditional conservative liberal types, right?

00:29:21.740 So in the suburbs of places like Texas, suburbs of places like Atlanta, Georgia, he, Trump underperformed Mitt Romney because those people did not like to hear about, you know, economic populism and stuff.

00:29:39.740 They are, you know, or really social conservatism.

00:29:44.260 They are more, you know, more, a lot more, a lot, the, the, the, the, the pro free market types.

00:29:52.160 Um, and of course there was people who were just.

00:29:55.280 And Trump was talking about coal mining and things like this.

00:29:58.920 I mean, yeah, this is not going to resonate with suburban professional, traditional conservative voters in the suburbs of, yeah. 0.98

00:30:07.900 So this, so this people, it's not just that it's also his personality and his, the way he comes across, you know, is kind of like a buffoon. 0.51

00:30:17.320 Well, at the time, well, at the time people were like, okay, it's either Trump or Hillary.

00:30:21.100 So, uh, they hated, these, these same people hated Hillary Clinton with a passion.

00:30:27.500 That was a huge part of the thing that got them to the polls.

00:30:30.500 And so Trump, you know, the coalition that he came in and the coalition that Hillary had that lost, he, he found, he snuck his way in through the electoral college.

00:30:42.560 But then, of course, as we've talked about for years, um, immediately after the election, during the transition, Trump sold out to, um, Cheryl Adelson, the big donors.

00:30:54.520 And then like, he started to, he started to, and I was, you know, following this at the time because I was already intensely skeptical of Trump after he won the election.

00:31:05.460 And, and, you know, he started to, okay, he's on hire Gary Cohn as his chief, his chief economic advisor.

00:31:12.740 He's on a point, Andy Puzder, his secretary of labor.

00:31:16.580 And you're looking at this and you're like, really, this guy or Mnuchin, this guy's an economic, uh, popular.

00:31:23.780 So, so even from the beginning, you're starting to see from the, from before he's even sworn into office,

00:31:29.740 Trump is shedding this image he has as an economic populace.

00:31:36.000 He's going to come in and he's going to disrupt and change things.

00:31:39.460 He's decided that, you know, he's going to be, he's going to have a conventional Republican presidency.

00:31:44.060 Yeah.

00:31:44.360 And so over the course of 2017, you can see this in the polls, Trump's image of the course of 28, 2017, completely changed.

00:31:53.200 Whereas previously he had been seen as a much more moderate candidate over the course of 2017.

00:32:00.280 He became to see, came to be seen as a much more right-wing conservative candidate in the polls as his actual, as his administration and priorities actually took shape.

00:32:12.260 So once he got in there in 2017 and 2018, what did they do?

00:32:15.020 They did, they did, uh, judges, tax cuts, healthcare, uh, deregulation, beefing up the military, just, you know, normal conservative.

00:32:27.780 What Romney would have done.

00:32:29.940 Although ironically, Romney installed Romney care in Massachusetts.

00:32:35.700 That was one of his claims to fame.

00:32:37.500 But, but anyway, but Romney might've been better, but I, I agree with you.

00:32:41.160 I, I think so.

00:32:43.020 I actually think 2017 was key where, you know, it's like a chess match where if you really screw up at the beginning, like if you just give away pieces on your first three or four moves, like you, you just can't win.

00:32:57.880 And I, I, I feel like he did that to a degree, like to a very strong degree, the healthcare was, I think, just as important as anything.

00:33:08.000 Uh, and, and it's just as important as not, um, actualizing immigration reform, which he at least tried and was kind of putting forth the deal.

00:33:16.180 We can talk about that, but going in and gutting Obamacare while not really replacing it.

00:33:23.060 And then talking about how, like, Oh, if you reelect me, we're going to have the greatest healthcare in the world.

00:33:28.860 Okay.

00:33:29.360 You had a Republican Congress, you had a Republican, um, house and Senate.

00:33:34.440 Like that was the time to just force your will and just install something.

00:33:39.400 And Trump in his own books, I mean, he probably didn't write these books.

00:33:43.960 They're ghostwritten, but nevertheless, he put his name on them.

00:33:47.600 He says, I am for socialized medicine.

00:33:50.960 Like he just says it.

00:33:52.180 And so to then pursue a Paul Ryan like plan where it's like, well, uh, you know, the, uh, the mandate is unconstitutional and, and, you know, uh, we need to get, we need to cut down on these budgets.

00:34:04.520 This is getting too expensive or whatever to just talk like that.

00:34:08.680 Um, I think was a, was a disaster.

00:34:10.940 And in 2018, at least according to polls, now I'm skeptical of these things.

00:34:16.780 And I think that there might've been other issues that were actually paramount, but at least in, in, according to the expressed view of voters, uh, the people who voted Democrats were doing so on the basis of healthcare.

00:34:29.040 That was the number one issue in 2018.

00:34:31.340 And he just screwed it up.

00:34:33.140 And I can give him a little bit of leeway and sympathy in terms of immigration, because I know how, like, and I don't mean just the wall.

00:34:42.100 I don't give a, I have less sympathy there, but in terms of changing the legal immigration paradigm, I'll give him a little bit of leeway in the sense of like. 0.93

00:34:50.580 Courts block stuff. 0.66

00:34:51.940 Yeah.

00:34:52.180 Courts have to go through courts.

00:34:53.980 It's a difficult deal there.

00:34:55.420 They're, you know, uh, Chuck and Nancy are oppositional to you.

00:34:59.040 Okay.

00:34:59.440 And you were at least trying that all, even though it was a failure, at least.

00:35:02.880 Trying to change the paradigm in 2017 to 28 and even up to 2018, um, in terms of the healthcare, that was just a totally unforced error where he went along with Paul Ryan.

00:35:13.880 Yeah.

00:35:14.480 Well, I mean, if you, if you would describe the first, okay, 2015, 2016, Trump has more of this outsider populist image.

00:35:25.780 And he said, and the key thing is he's not just appealing to right-wing populists with culture war rhetoric about immigration, but like the trade thing, right?

00:35:33.860 He made a huge thing of how trade had destroyed the Midwest, how, um, we're going to have the best healthcare ever.

00:35:42.520 We're going to get prescription drug prices down.

00:35:44.740 We're going to, we're not, we're not, we're not going to cut, uh, big government programs like social security and Medicare.

00:35:50.080 He was anti-war.

00:35:51.500 His, the message he had in 2015, 2016 resonated a lot more with the more moderate social democratic populist left-wing populist types in the upper Midwest.

00:36:03.140 And then what happened, what happens is after, during the transition, during 2017, 2018, um, he starts to move away from this image and the policies he talked about so heavily in the campaign.

00:36:19.780 He's just like, he's, he's allowed Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to, he's like, okay, I'm just going to be the rubber stamp for you guys.

00:36:27.480 Just send me judges, I will approve them, um, deliver your, do, cause what Paul Ryan and McConnell had told him is that we'll give you the wall, but we gotta, we gotta get all this other stuff done first, right?

00:36:41.620 We gotta get tax cuts and, and healthcare done first.

00:36:44.960 Now they, what they know is, you know, in the Congress, Congress being as polarized as it is, the only way anything gets done in Congress is you have to use what budget reconciliation, right?

00:36:54.660 You can do that once a year and they trot it with healthcare to get that through.

00:37:02.100 And that nearly failed because McCain shot it down and then they did, uh, tax cuts, which all the Republicans in Congress was for.

00:37:10.220 And then I want to say in December of that year, um, McConnell intervened to kill Roy Moore here in Alabama.

00:37:19.440 Yeah.

00:37:19.920 And so, so they opened up 2018 without that extra Senator, which gave, you know, those other senators even more leverage.

00:37:29.900 And, um, so what basically happened is that, um, Trump spent his political capital, you know, advancing the same old true cons agenda. 0.86

00:37:41.180 And not only that, not only that, but like all through 2017 and 2018 Trumpism, as it becomes institutionalized in power, when it's not just him on the campaign trail, but all these other figures, like, you know, diamond and silk and, um, all these other buffoons, these other buffoons. 0.99

00:37:58.820 It's just, it's effectively a stupider, more retarded, gayer version of mainstream conservatism. 1.00

00:38:06.800 It's how I'll put it. 1.00

00:38:08.100 It's mainstream conservatism, except now it's dumber and it's gay. 1.00

00:38:13.060 And it's, I guess you could say. 1.00

00:38:15.060 Well, it is gayer. 0.88

00:38:16.560 Like, you know, I, I, I think it's difficult to imagine the diamond and silk phenomenon occurring under Romney because he's just too white.

00:38:27.340 I mean, I get it.

00:38:28.340 I get it.

00:38:29.120 And like Trump kind of Trump clearly does have an appeal to African-Americans.

00:38:33.720 I mean, Trump is, is a, almost like a meme in rap songs for the past like 20 years, you know, as just like the image of a rich guy, you know, who's smashing champagne bottles on limousines and has all these babes in the back and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

00:38:49.520 And, uh, so he, he, he, he, he, he got those people, which, which might be actually somewhat effective, but at the same, like, just as I can't imagine diamond and silk under Romney, it's difficult to imagine all of the gay pride stuff that's come under Trump.

00:39:08.540 And it's, it's omnipresent at this point.

00:39:11.000 Like the, these, these videos that come out, um, that it's not just like some group saying, oh, we're gays, we're Republican gays or whatever.

00:39:19.380 That, that you've seen that for decades, but, um, the, these, uh, whenever there is a big rally and these things are really pop on social media and they're getting millions of views, it's this like rainbow flag transvestites, uh, you know, it's just, you know, dancing to YMCA or something.

00:39:39.740 Um, it, it is truly bizarre and you could say, okay, culture is just degenerating.

00:39:44.660 I get it, but I don't think that would have occurred under Romney if he had ran again in 20, uh, uh, 16 or 2020 or something.

00:39:53.020 It just, it was this new thing that Trump brought in and he was indispensable in bringing it in.

00:40:00.760 Look at our friend, look at our old friend Milo, right?

00:40:03.220 I mean, um, Milo was Steve Bannon's man and what, what, what, what they did is, you know, you look back on it in hindsight is they kind of, the, the, the gay faction or whatever, uh, the cultural libertarian faction, which was part of the alt-white was kind of lifted up by everyone's votes.

00:40:23.020 And, you know, put in, put in power.

00:40:25.660 And then after the, during the transition, when the donors made the call, oh, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to let all these cultural degenerates.

00:40:34.860 They had this strange, they had this strange vision that like somehow like that people like Milo, PJW, Cernovich and stuff, we're going to take over everything.

00:40:44.000 And they were, they were, they were going to be the right wing populist alt-right capos.

00:40:50.640 Yeah.

00:40:51.040 Keep every, keep everyone on the, on the GOP plantation and, and just milk them.

00:40:56.500 Otherwise, because, because, you know, people, because people who share our views are totally going to be satisfied with, with the extreme social liberalism of people like Cernovich and, and Milo.

00:41:07.560 Right.

00:41:08.260 But, um.

00:41:10.500 And they have, sir, I guess Cernovich has at least expressed criticism of Trump, but I presume that's gone now.

00:41:18.580 I don't really follow Cernovich.

00:41:20.880 Um, but yeah, Milo is on the Trump train.

00:41:24.420 Um, I, if, if Milo has a platform, but those people were harmed by deplatforming as we all were, but I think they were harmed kind of more intensely in a way.

00:41:35.180 Um, then I look at myself and I'm like, I think of like, okay, I am the ultimate kind of swing voter here because number one, I'm pro white and racialist.

00:41:47.100 So that kind of like sweet white nationalists, Southern nationalist type.

00:41:50.460 So that, so, so, so, so I got that going for me as a non-traditional Republican voter.

00:41:56.780 I'm also like a, more of a moderate, moderate anti-war social democratic type of populist.

00:42:05.540 So like when, when, when you look at someone like if, if, if I am souring on Trump, giving you like my perspective and my views about this, that's a leading indicator.

00:42:15.560 Or look at me, he's losing people who share who he's losing people who, if I'm souring on Trump, which I started from the beginning.

00:42:23.220 Yeah.

00:42:23.880 Like that is an indicator that people who share my kind of mindset or my place in the electorate, not just me, there's millions of people out there who are like cynical about politics, socially conservative, social democratic populist and economics.

00:42:38.300 If I'm souring on Trump, that means that's an indicator that he has problems with that demographic.

00:42:43.820 Yeah.

00:42:44.320 So I'll put it that way.

00:42:45.140 And yeah, just, just from the, just from the beginning, I'm just seeing this guy.

00:42:50.560 Look at me.

00:42:51.000 I mean, look, look, I mean, I have my own perspective and, and, and my own, you know, outlandish ideas or whatever.

00:42:58.260 But at the same time, like I see the Trump cult and things that I found kind of funny or, you know, crazy in a good way in 2016, I now just find extremely distasteful and disheartening.

00:43:13.740 And just, just, just, just like, I don't want, I don't want to hear any of this stuff anymore.

00:43:17.100 I would prefer to go back to basically neoliberal managers who are managing the decline of America slowly, but surely.

00:43:26.160 And I would just prefer that than this toxic, false promise of Trumpism. 0.98

00:43:32.500 And yeah, I mean, like I'm an unusual character, but like in a way I'm not, like I, I am an expression of like, you know, white liberal, suburban liberals, professionals who are just sick of this crap. 0.97

00:43:46.300 Yeah, I mean, you actually open up, you actually open up the Christmas present of Trump, of Donald Trump in December of 20, the Christmas present of Donald Trump. 1.00

00:43:56.960 And what you open up and you find, what you find out to your disgust is that not only is it like, not only is it mainstream conservatism, but it's mainstream conservative conservatism, except now it's extremely dumb and crude and stupid. 1.00

00:44:11.540 And it's also, it's also, it's also gay. And meanwhile, you're the one who's being blamed, being blamed for having this guy in power, who's totally thrown you under the bus. 1.00

00:44:21.280 Right. So like we, we, we absorbed the full brunt of the, of the backlash for having this guy in power and what's his, his view of how he's going to transform societies.

00:44:34.600 He's going to put Rick Grinnell in power and Rick Grinnell is going to arrest Julian, get Julian Assange arrested, you know, promote homosexuality around the world. 0.95

00:44:45.160 And you're like, that has absolutely nothing at all zero to do. Like with what, what I was looking for when I supported Trump in the first place.

00:44:55.300 Yeah.

00:44:56.400 He's done nothing. He's done absolutely. He's done absolutely nothing for me. In fact, he's made my life worse.

00:45:02.640 Yes. I would not certainly be, you know, facing the kind of backlash. Now I got, obviously my profile promoted beyond imagination, but there, there's always a cost to everything and the cost is high.

00:45:16.660 And, and it's kind of like, you know, if I'm going to go walk this, you know, tight rope, then there has to be some kind of reward or otherwise I'm going to just focus on other stuff that that's more kind of intellectually fulfilling.

00:45:30.380 And that is basically, yeah, my choice. The other thing I would, I would add to this is that, you know, you and I are, um, uh, close to being the same age.

00:45:39.940 I guess I'm, I'm like six years older than you are.

00:45:43.560 I'm turning 40 next month.

00:45:45.720 Oh, oh, okay. I'm, I'm just, we're, we're basically the same age.

00:45:49.580 Yeah. I was born in, uh, late 1980.

00:45:52.300 Yeah. Okay. I was born in 1978. So I'm, I'm on the tail end of the Gen Xers and I, I identify with Gen X. Um, you're just some millennial, uh, no, no, no, actually. Like, I think, I think millennials began in like, um, 82, 1981. No. Okay. So you are officially part of the Gen X.

00:46:12.200 I'm literally the last, the, technically the last, absolute last batch of Gen Xers.

00:46:18.060 Yeah. I'm a proud Gen Xer. And we're the most right wing right now, by the way, if polls are to believe we're, we're actually the most right wing. Like the, the seniors are just like, Oh, I want Biden. And then the millennials and zoomers are like left as a mile. So we're, we are the most right wing group.

00:46:34.200 But anyway, what I was saying is that you and I went through similar trajectories and we kind of went our separate ways, but we, but we kind of had a very similar path that we tread.

00:46:47.820 And that was, um, the anti-war movement of the turn of the century. And, you know, when, um, you know, Bush, uh, Bush W. Bush, um, was promising a more humble foreign policy, interestingly in 99 and 2000, but, um, after nine 11 and, um, you know, after all these neocons are, are in his ear, he, he became a, a almost messianic global liberation president.

00:47:16.820 At least in rhetoric and to a very large degree in policy. And we were opposed to that. And I think we went over to libertarianism because that was kind of like a coherent way to, uh, to be in opposition to the war movement.

00:47:31.240 And, um, I voted for John Kerry in 2004. Um, I'm proud to, I'm proud to say, um, although he was a little bit suspect as an anti-war candidate, um, being that he voted for the thing.

00:47:43.640 But, um, that's kind of where we came from. And I, I think at least my perspective on the anti-war thing is like, okay, I'll give maybe one and a half cheers to Donald Trump for the fact that he has not created a new war.

00:47:59.900 He only because he's waiting to get through his reelection before he can deal with the rent.

00:48:04.080 Well, he might, that might, I mean, you might be right about that. He might.

00:48:08.300 I'm extremely cynical. I think if he does, if let's assume Trump wins, I'm assuming that like, he will like get like much more.

00:48:16.900 That's why you have all these little shifting alliances going on. Kushner's negotiating. They're trying to line up, you know, uh, anti-Iran.

00:48:25.600 They are successfully isolating the Palestinians and Iran by basically getting all of the other Arab countries in, you know, in good relations with Israel. 0.91

00:48:35.380 Getting all the ducks lined up for, they can go after Iran in the second term after Trump doesn't have to worry about his election. 0.50

00:48:40.480 Yeah. And John Kerry was kind of saying earlier, like, if you're going to have diplomatic relations with Israel in the Middle East, you have to solve the Palestinian question.

00:48:52.000 And basically Kushner and others are like, no, we don't.

00:48:56.360 Uh, and again, they've, they've had, there was another, like, you know, uh, understand agreement of understanding that occurred on Thursday or something.

00:49:05.260 So they are successfully isolating Iran and the Palestinians and getting Arab countries to get on board with Israel. 0.97

00:49:14.840 And, um, so all of that kind of anti-Islam, anti-Muslim stuff from 2015, that's out the window.

00:49:21.200 Like they're not going to, they're not going to do a Muslim ban now. It's now good Muslims.

00:49:26.580 The Muslim ban they did was what banned mainly Iran. The, the, the Shiites were the ones who like weren't, weren't the terrorists.

00:49:35.440 And like, I think Saudi Arabia was always exempt from it. And Oh yeah.

00:49:39.580 Syria too. And that's like the Syria was a major source. I think Syria was on the list, but yeah, Saudi Arabia was the, is the major source of this ideology and, and actors. Yeah.

00:49:49.040 Um, it was, it was, it was total just like, I mean, like he never meant any of this. He was just going with what, but that's, that's the thing you realize about like Trump, like he's just constantly losing interest in like he was, you know, this big immigration warrior or something in 2016.

00:50:07.480 Now he's talking mainly about the platinum plan. Oh, remember all this, the forgotten man will be forgotten no longer. It's American car. Remember, remember his speech.

00:50:17.060 Americans have dreams too, was what he said about the Americans have dreams and this American carnage is over. He forgot every bit of that. Right. Yeah.

00:50:24.320 Now, now it's, and we were talking yesterday, I think we were talking about how Trump actually implemented the 2012 Republican autopsy, right?

00:50:33.680 That they needed to, they needed, they didn't, they didn't need to appeal to like, they wanted to move away from whites. Yeah. And they wanted to like the 20. So in 2013, I believe it's when they released it, but it was a, it was an autopsy of the 2012 election. It was basically saying, we're the opportunity party. We need to reach out to African Americans and rising immigrants. And Trump, you know,

00:50:56.600 again, Trump was like the repudiation of that, but then he weirdly implemented it. Like he has moved beyond whites and, uh, yeah, the immigration. Remember in 2018, I got all of this shit on Twitter because when Trump was engaging in these things, like bashing liberal journalists, um, and they were calling him racist or whatever.

00:51:21.300 And Trump was like, no, I want more immigration than we've ever had because we have all these companies coming into America. We're going to need more workers. Like he was going full on like neocon immigration, you know, stuff. 0.98

00:51:35.140 But again, no one noticed it. No one noticed it. I noticed it, but then Richard was like the black pill, bitter, you know, uh, bitter Gen Xer and all of all the, all the kind of zoomers are all right. People, whatever they were, they were like, he's bashing Jim Acosta. This is so awesome. And it's like, listen to what he is saying. Not just the, don't just look at the fact that he's being like rude to Jim Acosta. I don't care about Jim Acosta. 0.80

00:52:02.720 The whole issue is that his idea. It is what it is. His ideology is pro immigration. And like, again, immigration's now just been kind of forgotten. He's, he's moved on. I don't know what's going to happen after COVID lessons and COVID will lessen like what, what he would do if an office, but to return to the anti-war thing, just to tie a bow on it. Um, I, again, as I said, I'll give Trump one and a half cheers for not starting a new war.

00:52:30.940 But I think there's a general, a general trajectory that liberals will implement in which we are not going to have another Iraq and, you know, going after Iran and, and, you know, the, um, the, the, the killing of Soleimani and the bombing and so on that, that was extremely provocative. That got people worried about world war three.

00:52:55.020 I am not sure the liberals are really willing to do that. I think Obama's, um, intervention into Libya was kind of their last go at that kind of humanitarian intervention.

00:53:07.500 And in 2014, Obama had all of his ducks in the row to go after Syria. He had a Republican Congress, but he had all of his ducks in the road to go after Syria and he couldn't do it. He could easily have just said, I'm the president. Um, they crossed the red line. I'm going to, we're going to do a humanitarian intervention and Congress would have granted it. 0.56

00:53:29.500 But instead he punted Congress didn't want to do it. They sat on the issue and it just died. And I don't think the liberals are basically willing to, to create that level of chaos.

00:53:41.920 Now Trump doing another miraculous victory with Kushner there and Bibi Netanyahu, Bibi Netanyahu has been talking about Iran getting a bomb for the last 20 years. I mean, he, he is deadly serious about, um, intervention in Iran. Um, you might be right. Like in terms of the liberals, they seem to just be, as I've said before, managing a slow decline of American empire, which is, you know, is what it is. It's not good. It's not bad.

00:54:09.400 But it's, but with Trump, he might actually do it.

00:54:13.600 Right. Yeah. I mean, you look at his first term over the course of four years, his foreign policy in the Middle East has been give Israel everything it wants short of war and get all the, get all the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs together and isolate and crush Iran and its allies. Right. 0.93

00:54:31.880 Yeah. Now, now, now they're all boasting. Trump is the most pro-Jewish, the most, most Zionist president.

00:54:39.400 We've ever had, and Jared Kushner is getting credit for all these huge diplomatic triumphs. That's probably because, in my view, that all these Sunni Arab states think that if Trump wins a second term, that Trump and Kushner are going to, you know, really go at it with Iran.

00:54:56.740 And they've just like been preparing for it. But he, but first he has to get through his election. Right. When he's gonna be like, I stopped a war. I did, I did, I didn't, but he's gonna do it in his second term.

00:55:08.100 That's what I believe for years. And everything, everything I've seen out of the Middle East since then is that he's been like getting all his, you know, ducks in order to really go after Iran in his second term. 0.95

00:55:22.440 And I don't see, like you said, like, I don't see Biden doing that.

00:55:26.780 I don't see Biden doing that, no.

00:55:28.360 If Biden, if Biden wins, I think there's less of a chance of war.

00:55:32.140 They'll probably try to go back to the nuclear agreement and these tensions on that front.

00:55:37.720 Oh, they've saved set as much. That's what they would want to do. Yeah.

00:55:43.040 I think it's very deceptive that Trump has been anti, it's like he's been steadily, systematically provoking Iran and has been getting all his diplomatic ducks in order to go after Iran.

00:55:57.380 That's, that's my read on it. And he's just trying to get through his election.

00:56:00.000 And he might win. Yeah. Let's, I mean, I'm predicting a failure, but, but I, I, you know, I would never say that I'm 100% certain.

00:56:12.560 I mean, who knows? Crazy. I don't trust the polls at all. I haven't looked at a single, I haven't looked at that many polls at all, all year. 0.87

00:56:22.460 I just, I don't trust the polls. I think the polls, it might be deadlocked and thrown to the Supreme Court.

00:56:26.780 But I, you know, my main sense of it is that if, if the way I think about Trump probably reflects like the swing voters who put them in office in the first place, if I'm this sour on Trump, he's probably lost, you know, all those millions of people who share my worldview.

00:56:46.080 They're not with him anymore. So I just trust my gut, I trust my gut instinct that he's going to lose this election and lose it pretty badly.

00:56:54.760 And I don't see anything changing over the next week or so. I think most people, something like 50, 60 million have already voted.

00:57:02.220 Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:03.560 People have made up their minds of the 150 million that are going to vote. They've made up their minds.

00:57:08.260 Now it'd be interesting to see how like Trumpers respond to Trumpers respond.

00:57:14.160 This is a good question because we, we could talk about like, where does the alt-right go from here or whatever? I, you know, look, I, I, that, that's just kind of like what we make of it.

00:57:23.560 Like I, I'm going to be pursuing certain things and I'm not, I, I'm not going to be under any illusions that we're going to reinvent 2015.

00:57:31.540 But I think it's a more kind of interesting analytical question is, is where conservatism can go from here.

00:57:38.500 And I'll just throw this out there.

00:57:39.940 Um, I don't think they could ever like totally denounce Trump.

00:57:47.100 Like he, even if he loses and even if he loses in a landslide, they, they need, they, they must recognize on some level, the personality cult that he created, um, the kind of power of nationalism, particularly vis-a-vis woke ism, you know, and just the, the left overreaching and being seeming insane and irrational.

00:58:11.640 And I don't think they're going to fully, I don't think there's going to be, if, if he loses and loses bad, I still don't think there's going to be some repudiation of Trump.

00:58:21.200 I think that they, they kind of can't.

00:58:24.520 And much like the religious right, they're going to kind of try to corral that energy and those people.

00:58:29.980 And this QAnon cultists who are, are, are, are in their coalition now, they're going to have to kind of square the circle in some way. 0.93

00:58:37.700 And, and I don't think they're going to ever get rid of that, like Trumpian nationalism, whatever that means in terms of policy.

00:58:44.320 Yeah.

00:58:44.820 I mean, I've always, I've been saying for like four or five years now, it'd be interesting to see like what happens when all these people who went to sleep trusting the plan in 2016, wake up and they find out, you know, actually Trump didn't make America great again.

00:58:57.460 And actually, actually, actually, actually, actually things are, are, are worse.

00:59:02.860 And this will be a far bigger blow to, this was going to be a far bigger blow to them than Obama winning.

00:59:07.680 Oh yeah.

00:59:08.540 After, after, after the last six months of, I mean, think about it.

00:59:12.500 If you're a traditional right-wing populist or ordinary conservative, you've seen BLM and Antifa burn down the country for six months.

00:59:22.600 You've seen, you've seen Trump being impeached on this Russia nonsense, right?

00:59:27.800 Mm-hmm.

00:59:28.880 Um, the media has thrown out like any kind of restraint, right?

00:59:35.340 Mm-hmm.

00:59:35.920 They're just, they're, they're actually censoring the New York Post during an election.

00:59:39.080 This is, it is, I, I, I think.

00:59:41.560 It is incredible when you like take a stand back.

00:59:43.620 Right, right, right.

00:59:44.600 Yeah.

00:59:44.760 They have, I mean, like the Democrats and the people, they, yeah, they've got rid of Trump, but like, in order to get rid of Trump, they, what, lie, they use violence, they threw out, this can't, this can't, if he loses, this can't, but like, radicalize his supporters.

01:00:00.340 Yeah.

01:00:00.740 I think it's extremely, extremely radical, my view.

01:00:05.560 Mm-hmm.

01:00:05.860 I think a lot, I mean, because, I mean, look, I mean, the FBI was, is basically, I mean, we've seen what's happened to it, right?

01:00:14.740 Mm-hmm.

01:00:15.260 Um, you've seen law, you've seen, you've seen people like, to the point where they're not even, these Democrat cities aren't even enforcing the law.

01:00:22.580 They just allow like anarchists to go, BLM to go get violent, and they, you know, blame it all on white supremacy and racism and systemic racism.

01:00:33.400 I, I just, I just, I think, I think that, you know, his supporters are going to get far more radicalized.

01:00:38.260 And I think it might be like, what is it called?

01:00:41.040 Like, boogaloo, boogalatarians? 1.00

01:00:43.440 Is that what the word is?

01:00:44.960 Boogalatarians? 1.00

01:00:45.520 Yeah.

01:00:45.960 Yeah.

01:00:46.140 But it's going to be like boogaloo in the name of Trump in this kind of weird way.

01:00:51.260 Like, it won't be alt-right terror or something.

01:00:55.680 It will be.

01:00:56.080 It will be like weirdly Trumpian.

01:00:58.760 And this kind of sticks with my, um, forecast that, that Trumpism won't die, even if he loses.

01:01:05.640 No, which, which you're going to, the people who are going to benefit the most from Trump going down, you're going to have a huge revival of the Patriot movement in my view.

01:01:13.800 Like, the Patriot movement is going to go, is going to go through the roof like it did with, um, in the late nineties.

01:01:23.140 Yeah.

01:01:24.160 When Clinton was in office before Oklahoma city.

01:01:26.260 And they're going to be thinking, you know, the Patriots have got to save America.

01:01:29.200 All these, all these Patriots is Patriot groups are going to explode when, when Trump goes down.

01:01:34.840 In my view, as for the, as for the GOP.

01:01:37.220 I don't, I don't know.

01:01:38.000 Um, I think the GOP is going to be hard because I, I mean, and, and I'll, I'll be posting this, uh, in the coming next two days, but, um, I just see like, uh, I see at least the potential for pretty much long-term democratic hegemony in Washington.

01:02:00.120 Like if they don't screw it up and they might screw it up by going like too woke or whatever, uh, or, or, or like overreacting to Corona virus and just, you know, never, you know, not, you know, never let the economy, you know, go back or whatever.

01:02:17.780 Um, but yeah, I mean, the, the, the Senate was a kind, the Senate and electoral college were kind of reactionary institutions in the sense that, you know, senators are,

01:02:30.120 are, um, you know, two per state.

01:02:32.240 And so, you know, here in, in Montana, where we have 1 million people and like 7 million cows, um, we have two senators, California, which has 60 million, doesn't it?

01:02:43.800 Uh, it has two senators. 0.93

01:02:44.900 Like it's a, it's a weird, like reactionary, at least geographically institution.

01:02:51.440 And, um, you know, and that was one of the ways why the GOP was able not to, to win the electoral college, a, and B.

01:02:59.600 Not just a hold on to the Senate in 2018, but actually increase their lead.

01:03:05.280 And remember in 2018 was a wave election that they had, the Democrats had a higher percentage.

01:03:11.100 They were up by close to 10 points nationally.

01:03:14.380 And so that, that was greater than the tea party election, which was up by seven points and the 1994, um, uh, revolution, so-called revolution.

01:03:24.200 Uh, and so we're going to see long-term hegemony in the House. 0.91

01:03:29.160 And if the Democrats take the Senate, they will have kind of like overcome that inherent kind of reactionary element within the Senate structure.

01:03:40.240 And it's theirs to lose.

01:03:43.760 I mean, again, Republicans have not, have won the popular vote once since 1992.

01:03:49.380 All right.

01:03:50.000 That's pretty, like, this is not a center right country.

01:03:53.920 I mean, like Bush as a, you know, stay the course wartime president, he won in 2004, 2004.

01:04:00.960 He won the popular vote.

01:04:02.140 He, he beat John Kerry and won the electoral college.

01:04:04.660 No question.

01:04:05.780 But other than that, they just, the Republicans are not a national party.

01:04:11.500 And I, I think we might, like, if you look back at the FDR coalition over the course of the 20th century, like from like the early thirties up until like realignment, which took a long time.

01:04:25.300 I mean, realignment was like very slow, um, you know, from the thirties to like the eighties or nineties, you had like hegemony.

01:04:35.620 I mean, they, you just had one democratic Congress after another, and there were occasionally like two years of the GOP control Congress, but you know, it was, it was, they, they won it back two years later.

01:04:45.840 And I, I, you know, the Democrats are kind of like, it's, they are the hegemonic party and it's theirs to lose at this point.

01:04:55.100 Like they could screw it up. 0.99

01:04:56.440 Believe me, they could screw it up going full on woke and all this kind of crap. 0.99

01:04:59.960 All those suburbanites might very well go back to the GOP. 0.97

01:05:02.820 It would just be like, all right, no, you're not.

01:05:04.640 In my view, like, um, we're in a very, very different place because in the early 20th and this, uh, you ever heard, you ever heard of Robert Putnam guy who wrote Bowling Alone, you know, had to study about how diversity is not a strain.

01:05:19.620 He's got a new book out.

01:05:20.460 It's called the upswing.

01:05:22.280 And it's basically about a lot of the stuff that I've been talking about.

01:05:24.520 Well, in the early 20th century, and I've been studying this era when you had the depression and world war two, what, what the depression and world war two,

01:05:34.640 what you did is it like brought the country together, social capital increased.

01:05:41.240 The country was, um, putting kind of like individualist, individualistic concerns behind them.

01:05:47.100 It was more of a focus on the common good.

01:05:50.760 Um, economic inequality was drastically reduced by the new deal and the war.

01:05:58.480 And we're, we're in high levels of taxation.

01:06:01.540 Yeah.

01:06:02.280 Yeah.

01:06:02.500 We're in the exact marginal tax rates at 90%.

01:06:04.780 Yeah.

01:06:05.300 Wasn't that the case under Eisenhower?

01:06:06.880 It was, it was very high.

01:06:08.020 Yeah.

01:06:08.720 We're not, we're not in anywhere.

01:06:10.360 We're going in the opposite direction.

01:06:12.100 Yeah.

01:06:12.740 Social capital is collapsing.

01:06:15.080 People are getting more violent.

01:06:18.060 Um, there's an absolute distrust and it's cratered in institutions.

01:06:23.940 In my view, looking at, looking at the, um, trajectory of the country and seeing, anticipating the reaction it's going to have when Biden gets there on the right after using these methods.

01:06:35.640 I think we're going to, I've publicly said, I think we're going to tip over into violence at some point within the next five years.

01:06:42.440 Well, I think it's going to, I think it's going to, we're already there.

01:06:46.280 Not because I, not, but yeah, not because I advocate it, but just looking at historical trends and historical patterns.

01:06:52.780 We're already at violence.

01:06:54.120 I mean, the, the punching of not to be too narcissistic here, but the, the punching of me was, was actually really symbolic.

01:07:01.840 It shocked me.

01:07:03.240 I did not, I, I was Mr.

01:07:05.280 You know, wear a suit, go talk to the press, you know, get your name out there, you know, riding high.

01:07:11.980 And that Antifa member, whoever he was, was just like, no, we are shutting this down through, through violence because the media won't do it.

01:07:21.660 The media loves Richard Spencer.

01:07:23.220 We're going to just shut it down.

01:07:26.360 And, and like, that's kind of, you know, again, I think that was actually a really significant thing.

01:07:32.660 And at the very least, it kind of, you know, was a token of what was going to come and where we are.

01:07:39.540 Like you say, there's going to be violence.

01:07:41.300 We, we have violence right now.

01:07:43.340 We have more violence.

01:07:45.200 It's like unimaginable in 2012.

01:07:47.220 Right.

01:07:47.740 It's just like if we could use a, if we could use a historical analogy, we're sitting here watching.

01:07:53.220 It'll lead up to the, uh, the war between the States.

01:07:56.020 When violence just spilled over to political violence became common.

01:08:01.920 And I mean, you had people assaulting each other in Congress.

01:08:04.600 You had, um, actually open fighting in, in, in Kansas and my view, my view of it.

01:08:12.660 I mean, if you, it's not, it's not just the left that's been getting, in fact, like you've seen that, you've seen those polls, right?

01:08:17.580 We're actually more Republicans support violence now than Democrats.

01:08:23.140 More, more Republicans.

01:08:23.760 I haven't seen that poll.

01:08:24.940 Wow.

01:08:25.420 Yeah.

01:08:25.660 Yeah.

01:08:25.820 No, no.

01:08:26.300 More conservatives and Republicans approve of political violence now than Democrats.

01:08:32.640 And this, this is, this is, this is, it's kind of flipped in the last six months as, as, as, as ever since the George Floyd BLM Republicans and conservatives are getting more and more.

01:08:44.680 I mean, they're saying like, you know, we're being pushed out of power because the opposition has thrown moral standards out, out, out to the wind.

01:08:54.520 They've used violence.

01:08:55.460 They've, you know, used the FBI.

01:08:57.720 They've censored the internet.

01:08:59.380 I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think, I don't think we're going back to like David, David Frenchism.

01:09:07.240 In fact, I think we're going to go to extremely dark place.

01:09:10.120 I think that the conservatives are going to get violent.

01:09:12.340 And, and Biden won't be able to handle this because this is the thing, Biden, um, you know, what was his first television commercial when he announced his campaign?

01:09:23.620 It was about Charlottesville.

01:09:24.860 And then he actually, I believe he announced, um, Kamala Harris on the third year anniversary of Charlottesville.

01:09:32.580 But what was he saying?

01:09:34.640 Basically he, he was Biden's promise.

01:09:37.440 And again, I've said this a hundred times.

01:09:39.120 And so have, so have other people.

01:09:40.400 This is not like a hot take.

01:09:42.720 Biden's promise is back to normalcy.

01:09:45.160 We're, we're going back to the 20.

01:09:47.120 This is, this is like the Obama era.

01:09:49.400 Yeah.

01:09:49.640 Right.

01:09:50.120 But, but we're going back to the twenties in terms of rhetoric, but we're, he wants to bring us back to those wonderful days of 2013.

01:09:56.600 When, you know, inequality was high, but we were kind of handling it.

01:10:02.320 There was no alt-right.

01:10:03.720 There was no Charlottesville.

01:10:04.780 There was no Antifa.

01:10:06.360 Uh, there was no BLM.

01:10:07.780 We're just going to go back.

01:10:08.960 And everyone kind of liked Obama, you know, and if you didn't like Obama, you were a bit of a kook and, and all that kind of stuff. 0.98

01:10:16.540 Things were okay.

01:10:17.740 And he is basically promising to go back there.

01:10:20.440 But the thing is, you, you can't like he, this is the, he's the right candidate for the right time, if I'm correct.

01:10:28.160 And he wins in a major victory that matches Obama's, uh, electoral college totals.

01:10:34.280 He is the right candidate because he's an old guy. 0.85

01:10:36.740 He's a white guy.

01:10:37.620 He has a history of being anti-socialism, being anti-crime, et cetera.

01:10:43.320 He's kind of the perfect point person who can win.

01:10:46.740 But once these forces become fully unleashed, they're going to send him out on a rail like they did LBJ. 0.72

01:10:54.900 Remember LBJ in 1964, he defeated Goldwater, who was a, um, like at least the way he was viewed, he was viewed as a force of fascism or extremism.

01:11:07.060 Like he, there was this famous, um, television commercial called the Daisy commercial, which I believe only aired once, but even pre-social media, it just got, it was in everyone's mind.

01:11:18.100 It was this little girl picking a daisy and then she like looks up and there's like a nuclear blast.

01:11:24.460 It was totally outrageous.

01:11:27.320 But basically LBJ was saying like this Goldwater guy is nuts and Goldwater cemented that conservative ideology of free markets on the home front, you know, uh, rollback communism, hot war abroad.

01:11:44.940 And LBJ kind of promised a certain type of back to normalcy.

01:11:50.680 And he, he kind of said, you know, we're not going to go there.

01:11:53.680 We're going to be diplomatic.

01:11:54.680 We're going to execute the war in Vietnam. 0.92

01:11:56.640 Um, and it works.

01:11:57.840 So he fought off fascism and, and, and, and, you know, a, a speech that was supposedly written by Harry Jaffa, um, basically, um, Goldwater said, you know, um, extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.

01:12:09.420 And so he was kind of owning the rough and tumble conservative and, and LBJ was seen as normal.

01:12:17.760 And then, um, but, but the thing is by the late sixties, um, LBJ, when he was running for reelection in 1968, I believe he lost New Hampshire.

01:12:27.360 Um, um, if I'm correct, much like Biden, um, did, and then he basically dropped out.

01:12:35.040 So he was this extremely impactful president.

01:12:38.560 I mean, he did the civil rights act.

01:12:40.280 He did the great society, did the immigration reform act of 1965.

01:12:44.260 He is a iconic, you know, president.

01:12:47.140 Um, but then he got kind of destroyed by his own, the, the forces within the left.

01:12:55.080 And I think he died of a heart attack three years later or something on his ranch, you know, in Texas, he was just this like lost man.

01:13:02.100 I could see, and I don't wish any ill on, on Biden himself, but I could see Biden like dying in a few years of depression.

01:13:10.220 I don't just, I know people clip things.

01:13:14.100 I'm not wishing that on him.

01:13:15.700 I'm just saying that he's, you know, I, I kind of, I don't know.

01:13:19.340 I kind of weirdly like him.

01:13:20.560 Like I could see having a beer with him, but these forces have been unleashed.

01:13:25.260 And at one point they will turn on Biden.

01:13:29.620 Yeah.

01:13:30.140 Well, what I'm saying, and this, this is kind of interesting.

01:13:32.720 Um, no, me and you like, okay.

01:13:34.420 You kind of think the left is since 2015, 2016 is portrayed, you know,

01:13:39.760 the alt-right is Nazism is fascism. 1.00

01:13:44.000 And Trump is a white supremacist and a racist and a fascist. 1.00

01:13:47.740 And I mean, their view of the man, the left's view of the man in our view of the man couldn't be like more different. 1.00

01:13:54.160 Right.

01:13:54.820 Yeah.

01:13:55.060 We see, we, we, we see Trump as this non-ideological celebrity reality TV show narcissist.

01:14:03.960 He only cares about like attention, being in the limelight and, you know, owning his enemies.

01:14:10.840 And, um, there's no real ideology behind the man.

01:14:14.040 His ideology is Donald Trump.

01:14:15.660 Yeah.

01:14:16.580 Yeah.

01:14:16.800 The man is absolutely nothing. 0.97

01:14:18.460 The man is the, the last thing he is, is a fascist.

01:14:21.740 He's not even, he's not even a conservative.

01:14:23.300 He, I mean, like George HW Bush, George HW Bush sent in the military, you know, to put down the LA riots.

01:14:30.620 Right.

01:14:31.320 Yeah. 0.79

01:14:31.720 Donald Trump is Donald Trump is the least fascist.

01:14:35.420 Yeah. 0.67

01:14:35.880 It's kind of hilarious.

01:14:36.960 He's the least fascist president ever.

01:14:39.020 But like the left.

01:14:39.900 And George Herbert Walker Bush was this like bastion of like wasp America as well. 0.78

01:14:44.000 You know, I went to Yale and played first base for the team.

01:14:47.220 And here's, here's what the left has made him.

01:14:48.680 Here's what the left has made him a mistake.

01:14:50.500 First of all, they, the volcanic reaction to Trump's victory, Donald Trump was never who they thought that was never who they thought he was.

01:14:59.300 Right.

01:14:59.620 Yes.

01:14:59.980 He wasn't even, he wasn't even all right.

01:15:01.780 He wasn't a fascist.

01:15:03.000 He was just like a celebrity reality TV, TV host.

01:15:10.340 And, and, and, and they use every dirty trick, every means at their disposal to get rid of this guy.

01:15:16.200 And even us, you know, Richard Spencer, isn't like a, a violent, Richard, a violent, a violent fascist at all.

01:15:27.300 Right.

01:15:27.600 You enjoy like sharing ideas and talking to people and baiting and almost like a class, almost like a classical liberal in a sense that you like engaging with other points of view.

01:15:38.420 And in fact, and in fact, the alt-right was, of course, completely against war, right?

01:15:44.720 Yes.

01:15:45.220 Grew up, grew up hating war, grew up hating violence.

01:15:48.320 At least my alt-right, at least our Gen X alt-right emerged from the anti-war movement. 0.70

01:15:54.840 Right.

01:15:55.260 Our, our Gen X alt-right movement was never pro-violence, was never pro-war, was never fascist in any, but an ironic maybe sense of the word.

01:16:07.000 So no one was actually, if no one was, if we were actually in power, we wouldn't be using violence against people.

01:16:13.760 But, well, the left actually thought that, you know, Trump was a fascist and we were white supremacists and any means, any, they've used any means that they're supposed to.

01:16:23.220 So now what's going to happen is that when they've thrown off the gloves and have gone after the ordinary conservative patriot types, the point where actually they're killing them in the streets.

01:16:32.940 Those people are going to get violent.

01:16:36.200 Yeah.

01:16:36.520 They're the ones, they're the ones who are going to be radicalized.

01:16:39.840 You know, you're going to see the type of, I think, the emergence of the American patriot type who's actually willing to use violence.

01:16:46.740 Yes.

01:16:47.180 And it's no, because, because they've, they've learned the only way that you can deal with, deal with like violent anarchists and communists is given what you, what you've.

01:16:58.160 Well, look at the Ritterhouse, that's his last name, isn't it?

01:17:01.220 Right.

01:17:01.340 Ritterhouse.

01:17:02.240 So let, like, let, let's.

01:17:05.000 It's a sign that the right is becoming more.

01:17:07.200 Yeah, and let, let's be objective about this young man and, and, and not kind of, you know, valorize him in the way that, that he has been on, on large segments, the right.

01:17:20.140 So he, at the end of the day, he went across state lines in, with a weapon in order to protect property.

01:17:31.040 But like, let's be honest, he was itching for a fight and that doesn't mean that he is guilty or that he, he, he didn't act in self-defense.

01:17:40.660 Um, but let's just also be honest.

01:17:43.300 It's very different than like a guy just at his own home and his home gets raided and he, you know, wastes them or something with his own weapon.

01:17:51.700 That, that's a totally different situation.

01:17:53.460 This guy really was going out there and that, you know, however you feel about him and, um, you know, that, that is a sign of vigilantism that is kind of brewing, uh, you know, among these people and for what it's worth, this is all is kind of a funny anecdote that's, that's personal.

01:18:14.880 But do you remember the boomer bomber from like 20, 18?

01:18:19.760 Yeah.

01:18:20.000 So this guy who was like a non, he was like a white-ish kind of male stripper who lived in a van. 0.98

01:18:27.080 Um, so he, and he created, he, he incompetently tried to bomb people. 0.91

01:18:33.000 Um, so, uh, he, he, he was going to mail bombs to some of these big liberals.

01:18:38.560 So I was informed by the FBI that I was next on his list.

01:18:44.300 So when they raided his van and they found his like list of people, I was there.

01:18:49.120 So I, I, so I was like, I'm, I, I joked with them there and they kind of looked at me like this.

01:18:53.980 I go, well, I guess it's a thrill to be nominated because they said like, we have a duty to warn, um, if someone, and I've gotten these things kind of things before.

01:19:02.720 Um, and so I was on his legal pad of like, you know, first we'll do the big wigs like Obama and whatever.

01:19:09.700 And then like, if we have time, then we'll bomb Richard Spencer. 0.81

01:19:13.240 Fascists like Richard Spencer. 0.92

01:19:14.600 Yeah.

01:19:14.900 So like the, these, I, I, I, this is an amusing anecdote, but what I'm saying is that like, we are not connected to that.

01:19:23.580 Like, at least I'm not, um, you know, they, they, they oppose us.

01:19:28.200 Like this is Spencer, you know, racist, you know, fascist endorsed Joe Biden.

01:19:34.320 I mean, this is almost like a wet dream for these people.

01:19:37.760 I, I kind of fear for my life in a way.

01:19:39.760 Yeah.

01:19:40.220 Yeah.

01:19:40.700 You're actually voting for Joe Biden.

01:19:43.280 You're not, you're not, you're not the guy who's actually going to go out there.

01:19:45.500 You're not Timothy McVeigh, right?

01:19:47.480 Right.

01:19:47.960 That's what Timothy McVeigh was.

01:19:49.440 Timothy, Timothy McVeigh was one of these patriot types.

01:19:53.660 Um, you know, what he was offended by was what Waco and Ruby Ridge.

01:19:57.700 Yeah.

01:19:58.960 And those were absolutely terrible, uh, right.

01:20:03.120 Events.

01:20:03.600 I, I should say that.

01:20:04.980 Yes.

01:20:05.220 You're going to, you're going to see the rise, I think of the, of the violent conservative

01:20:08.700 because the GOP and the conservatives are going to lose control of their base.

01:20:12.580 Once they fit, once they figure out, um, that like they're completely done.

01:20:17.640 I mean, this, this, we underestimate people like us have always realized that whites were 0.97

01:20:22.240 in this predicament, but most conservatives like haven't kind of like realized yet.

01:20:26.700 Yeah.

01:20:27.480 The full implications of the demographic change.

01:20:29.980 Right.

01:20:30.500 And how they're going to be politically marginalized, like for all time.

01:20:34.200 Mm-hmm.

01:20:35.220 And the Democrats just to be able to do anything and be anti-white as anti-white as they want 0.78

01:20:39.340 to.

01:20:39.480 Once these people see this, this is, this is, the left is assuming, is assuming that like

01:20:46.000 conservatives accept this.

01:20:48.560 Mm-hmm.

01:20:49.080 Right.

01:20:49.740 They're going to, we're going to assume the demographic is going to change like that.

01:20:53.640 And the, the, the system is going to maintain its legitimacy.

01:20:57.080 The people aren't going to turn, turn to violence.

01:21:00.180 No, we'll just be in power to do whatever they want.

01:21:03.020 That's a fatal miscalculation because they've thrown out every, everything that could possibly

01:21:08.820 restrain, every justification that there could restrain their right from doing it. 0.99

01:21:12.560 Toss it to get rid of a blowhard like Donald Trump. 0.99

01:21:16.400 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:17.280 Was it worth it?

01:21:18.220 I don't think so. 0.99

01:21:19.280 What was, what was he fucking doing? 0.99

01:21:20.800 That was so fascist in the first place. 0.99

01:21:22.260 What cutting taxes, big tech, guys, guys, guys going around promoting homosexuality and 1.00

01:21:31.160 it's just allowing anarchists to burn down cities. 0.98

01:21:33.420 That's, that's your fascist. 0.93

01:21:35.020 Yeah.

01:21:35.340 I think they'll actually, I think they're actually going to get like some kind of fascism

01:21:38.340 after what they've done, but we'll see.

01:21:41.240 Yeah.

01:21:42.140 We will, we will see.

01:21:44.500 Amazing conversation.

01:21:46.640 Thank you.

01:21:47.260 We'll see.

01:21:48.660 We'll see if I'm right.

01:21:49.500 And I think, I think we're going to look back on it.

01:21:52.600 We're going to look back on this year.

01:21:53.820 It was like, we did not realize in hindsight how close we were to the violence, even though

01:21:58.860 all the signs, all the signs of it were there at the time, the change in approval of political

01:22:07.100 violence, the instability of burning down cities, entire cities like Kenosha.

01:22:11.660 Um, we did not realize how close the ledge we were, but I think we're going to find

01:22:17.980 out soon enough.

01:22:20.180 And I say that not because I'm advocating.

01:22:22.320 I think it's, I think it's terrible.

01:22:25.220 Um, but I just, I just see this country going into a disintegrative.

01:22:32.100 No, I, at the end of the day, I, you know, it's funny cause you're saying like you're,

01:22:35.680 you're like a Midwestern populist or, or a, um, Huey Long populist.

01:22:40.080 Yeah.

01:22:40.760 I mean, I, I think as I get older, um, I don't know, I, I seem to adopt a kind of platonic

01:22:47.060 elitism.

01:22:47.740 Like I don't, I don't like the polarization either.

01:22:50.300 And I don't think we benefit from it.

01:22:52.400 And ultimately, even if we benefit from it in the short term, I want a top down authoritative

01:22:58.660 structure that will maintain order.

01:23:01.860 And go ahead.

01:23:03.620 Yeah, that's what I want.

01:23:05.000 And I, and I, I want a top down paternalistic structure that will maintain order.

01:23:09.160 And that is basically the, the conclusion I've, I've come to.

01:23:13.060 And, and I feel like just, you know, endorsing and jumping on the bandwagon of these kinds

01:23:19.700 of energies that are symptomatic of polarization, like Trumpism is actually the wrong move.

01:23:25.780 But I feel like also because I'm being truthful about that, it's going to isolate me.

01:23:31.880 Yeah, it's going to isolate me because the, the alt-right, they want me to just bash the 0.90

01:23:36.880 left and say Trump is bad-ass and own the libtards. 0.99

01:23:41.580 I just, I'm just not.

01:23:43.600 If you look at where we're at now and where we're going, is there any possible way?

01:23:48.500 Like it doesn't like in, in some kind of violent catastrophe?

01:23:52.660 Well, I don't think it will end.

01:23:54.520 This is my, this is my, well, hold on, hold on.

01:23:58.340 This is my pushback.

01:23:59.640 And I think you actually might agree with me.

01:24:01.420 So during the civil war one, um, yeah, which we have to call it now part one, um, there

01:24:11.160 were competing elites and they, those competing elites stood for truly different ways of life.

01:24:20.240 And this is where I, I don't want to hear, and, and, and I think you actually kind of agree

01:24:25.520 with me on this.

01:24:25.920 I don't want to hear any more of this lost cause nonsense about how the civil war was

01:24:32.440 about like legal matters and the tariffs or whatever.

01:24:35.720 It was about slavery was indispensable in creating that war. 0.98

01:24:40.140 The, it was overtly discussed by ideologues like Calhoun and South Carolina's war.

01:24:48.220 Yeah.

01:24:48.860 Um, and fanaticism about the election of Lincoln, but the fact is it had to come to a head at

01:24:54.100 some point you have a totally different, um, way of life.

01:24:59.740 Now, granted the, the economies were interconnected.

01:25:03.560 So like a, you know, Northern textile manufacturer was benefiting from slavery in a way that a small

01:25:10.520 farmer in Pennsylvania was not.

01:25:12.320 Yes, but it was a two different systems and slavery was the indispensable, not the only,

01:25:19.680 but the indispensable component of the Southern way of life.

01:25:23.400 And we just need to kind of come to terms with this and stop the lost cause nonsense about

01:25:28.060 they were fighting for the constitution.

01:25:29.400 I mean, please Southerners, let's just be honest about stuff right now.

01:25:33.740 Okay.

01:25:34.500 Uh, but, but, and it was about race as well, not just slavery because those were intertwined.

01:25:39.680 It was a whole, it was a whole, it wasn't just one thing.

01:25:41.440 It was everything combined.

01:25:43.120 I agree.

01:25:43.780 I agree.

01:25:44.080 It wasn't just one issue, but, but slavery and race were indispensable in issues. 0.98

01:25:49.300 They were decisive issues in this.

01:25:51.580 Um, but, um, what I would say is you had competing elites.

01:25:55.680 And so you had with the, with a notable exception of Stonewall Jackson, you had true elitist, basically

01:26:03.500 waging war against other elites.

01:26:05.940 And to a degree, it was even a battle over control of the country because the South wanted the

01:26:12.040 expansion of slavery.

01:26:13.980 I mean, they wanted the expansion of slavery into territory.

01:26:17.220 So it actually was about a battle for control of the continent.

01:26:22.220 And again, I just, I don't want to hear any more lost cause stuff about how they just wanted

01:26:26.620 to go their own way and they would have ended slavery and they, you know, just no, that wasn't

01:26:32.700 like the, the liberal historians are correct.

01:26:35.760 And, um, and so like, that was a real civil war.

01:26:39.580 The thing, what I see now, which is really fundamentally different is that there is not a

01:26:45.640 competing elite to the current one.

01:26:48.320 And so what we're going to have is just vile, um, terrible street level violence, people

01:26:57.980 getting, literally getting their heads kicked in on a regular basis.

01:27:02.320 And yet there, yet it's kind of violence about nothing because they, they, there's in order

01:27:08.280 to change a system, you need a, an elite structure that will overturn the other elite.

01:27:14.520 And there is there that just doesn't exist.

01:27:17.580 I mean, you and I were like bloggers or something.

01:27:21.180 I mean, we're not, we're not, we don't have billions of dollars at our disposal.

01:27:25.420 I mean, if you, if you, you know, uh, if you guys want to send me 20 bucks this month,

01:27:29.500 that's great.

01:27:30.020 But like, we're not like, I'm not doling out billions of dollars.

01:27:33.360 And so it's almost the worst of all possible worlds because we're going to have all this

01:27:38.260 just heinous violence that I don't want to see that is just terrible.

01:27:42.360 And it's going to come from both sides, but then there's no, there's no actual conflict,

01:27:47.000 like a state level conflict.

01:27:49.420 If you look, if you look, but if you said, Oh, this is going to be like civil war one,

01:27:52.660 it's not going to be like anything at all.

01:27:53.940 Like civil war one.

01:27:54.860 Once I think the violence does break out.

01:27:57.080 Think about it.

01:27:58.040 Those two people were both, uh, those two sides in that conflict were both generally

01:28:03.260 Anglos.

01:28:04.460 They were both generally evangelical Protestants.

01:28:08.520 They pretty much agreed on the importance of the white race. 0.54

01:28:12.520 They shared a common culture.

01:28:13.760 They shared common.

01:28:14.880 They had the same holidays.

01:28:16.800 If anything, the North was more racist.

01:28:20.080 Right, right.

01:28:21.100 They had the same holidays.

01:28:22.960 They had the same heroes.

01:28:23.800 They had the same Victorian. 0.95

01:28:26.460 Uh, look, Lee was a Victorian gentleman, right?

01:28:30.040 So it was Stonewall was a little bit more Episcopalian, Scots Irish type, but like they, they had 0.99

01:28:36.280 a shared belief that the Confederate constitution was pretty much a carbon copy of the American

01:28:40.520 constitution.

01:28:41.620 Yes.

01:28:41.940 Um, they both believed in Republicanism.

01:28:45.340 What they were fighting over was the, the fanaticism that had been stirred up over slavery

01:28:52.040 and a constant whole constellation of different issues.

01:28:55.760 This, the North was a more liberal Republican leaning section, more open to an industrial

01:29:02.360 commercial economy.

01:29:03.360 The South was more agrarian, classical Republican, not hated liberalism type of

01:29:09.500 And slave owning. 0.98

01:29:10.400 Let's just not beat around the bush.

01:29:12.160 Yeah, but what do the two sides have?

01:29:12.760 What do the two sides have in common today?

01:29:14.840 Well, not a common language in a lot of cases, not a common moral value.

01:29:19.560 No common heroes.

01:29:21.120 Huh?

01:29:21.600 No common heroes, no common saints, no common holidays, shopping at the same, all they have

01:29:28.960 in common, well, all they have in common was the sports ball teams.

01:29:32.420 We go to basically what we have in common is we all eat at Applebee's and we watch NFL

01:29:39.580 football, which is kind of replaced baseball and horse racing and boxing as a national pastime

01:29:44.960 in the NFL.

01:29:45.880 We, we go watch athletes give each other concussions on Sunday and we all watch Marvel comic book

01:29:53.340 films.

01:29:55.000 Right.

01:29:55.960 That's, that's what I'm getting at here.

01:29:59.040 And we, we kind of like Christmas weirdly that, that is, we, we like shopping for presents

01:30:03.980 at Target.

01:30:05.200 Yeah.

01:30:05.780 And Applebee's, Marvel, Target, NFL.

01:30:08.680 So little holding this country together and the left determined to like, okay, let's,

01:30:14.340 let's completely obliterate anything we have in common with the other side in sports and 0.71

01:30:18.700 music and, um, commercial, even commercial culture. 0.99

01:30:23.100 You're like, you have like commercial brands denouncing their own customers and shit. 0.75

01:30:26.800 I'm telling you, you know, we don't have common music. 0.91

01:30:29.140 And again, to, to go back to Plato, I think that's actually extremely important.

01:30:33.380 Um, in the eighties and nineties, I think probably everyone liked some bands like it was like

01:30:41.140 Madonna or U2 or, or, you know, maybe even a more poppy type band.

01:30:46.640 Everyone kind of was listening to the same thing.

01:30:49.060 You can't say that now musical taste and musical tastes.

01:30:52.980 Like again, if we're, we're to take a platonic perspective, musical tastes are like extremely

01:30:57.820 telling of who you are.

01:30:59.560 We, we, we don't, we're, we're just totally fragmented.

01:31:05.060 Once, once, once the, once the, the violence starts and it escalates, I'm telling you, it's

01:31:11.120 cool.

01:31:11.900 I think it's gonna be worse.

01:31:13.540 Yeah.

01:31:13.980 It'll be, it'll be far more.

01:31:15.020 It'll be like, it was, it was once slavery was gone last time, you know, that was the

01:31:18.900 major issue, like dividing the country.

01:31:21.440 I mean, like everybody had the same holiday, same constitution.

01:31:23.780 It was a lot easier to reunify, but like the way things are going.

01:31:28.980 Um, I think, I think it's going to end in some kind of conflict and whoever the winner

01:31:35.320 emerges from the conflict is going to create a new culture, but you know, that's a long

01:31:39.800 story.

01:31:41.440 So we'll see.

01:31:43.200 We'll see.

01:31:43.860 I'm extremely pessimistic.

01:31:45.840 I think we're right at the brink.

01:31:47.960 Um, but it was a good conversation.

01:31:50.280 Yes.

01:31:50.640 Brad, you're, you're the Schopenhauer of the RH, just the, the pessimist pessimist.

01:31:56.280 I don't, I don't, I don't think, I think if Biden thinks he's going to take things back

01:32:03.000 to the happy dory days of the Obama era, it's well, it's not going to have, no, that, that

01:32:07.960 is my prediction.

01:32:08.640 So I, I think Biden will win.

01:32:10.540 And I think there's going to be a lot of happiness on the left.

01:32:13.860 And I think that happiness will be short lived.

01:32:16.240 And within a year, there is going to be there, there, the, the, these tensions are so strong

01:32:23.940 and, and Biden won't be able to ease them.

01:32:27.660 That's kind of my, that's my outlook for the next five years.

01:32:30.900 So it's going to be a kind of Pyrrhic victory.

01:32:35.340 Yeah.

01:32:35.860 The people, people will look back on it in hindsight.

01:32:37.940 Um, cause they're not exactly in the, but real, these people, you know, really not in

01:32:43.360 the best position to like, if it actually got down to like a, a slugfest, um, not really

01:32:50.660 in the, this is a different kind of war.

01:32:53.000 If I think, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to go down this right wing, uh, assumption that

01:32:59.320 the right would just inherently win the slugfest because there's gun ownership. 1.00

01:33:03.440 Um, yes, that's, that's true.

01:33:07.220 First off, there actually is going to gun ownership on some elements of Antifa, but also you own

01:33:13.360 a gun and your house or store is surrounded by two dozen anti-fascists.

01:33:19.760 I mean, good luck with that six shooter or shotgun.

01:33:22.780 I mean, their territories are so scattered in these cities is going to be like a complete

01:33:27.760 different, like when you, when you saw the Trump, the Trumpers invade Portland in those,

01:33:32.740 in those pickup trucks, imagine them with like guns, like on the back, you know?

01:33:36.920 Yeah.

01:33:37.460 I mean, I'm telling you, like, um, I, I just, I can't, I I'm kind of like shocked that they've

01:33:43.620 gone to, to push thing, like push this so extreme because I mean, you can't, you can't

01:33:49.660 govern or you can't govern in a country with like one side says, okay, the law doesn't

01:33:53.260 apply to us.

01:33:54.040 Violence is legitimate. 0.99

01:33:54.960 This is not a sustainable thing.

01:33:57.620 And I don't think the left has realized that yet.

01:33:59.160 Yeah.

01:33:59.720 The other side is going to like embrace the same tactics and we'll see.

01:34:03.500 But anyway, I'll talk to her.

01:34:05.240 All right.

01:34:05.800 Thank you, Brad.

01:34:06.360 This was an awesome conversation.

01:34:08.240 Depressing, but you know, look, we're, we're, we're serious and we're looking at the issues

01:34:12.480 and we're not, um, we're, you know, we're not endorsing any of this, but we're simply

01:34:18.740 looking at the roof is going to collapse on our heads and the left, the left will in hindsight,

01:34:23.860 they'll wish, you know, here, Pratt Griffin and Richard Spencer wasn't so bad.

01:34:26.780 Can we bring Richard Spencer back? 1.00

01:34:28.840 He would just say stupid shit. 1.00

01:34:31.400 CNN. 1.00

01:34:33.720 All right.

01:34:34.560 I'll talk to you later.

01:34:35.560 See ya.

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01:35:26.400 Thank you.

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