RadixJournal - A Current Year to Remember

00:00:00.000 As you guys can tell, I'm a bit—I'm getting—Trump's really kind of—I'm getting a little skeptical about this guy.

00:00:06.600 Pissing me. He's pissing me off.

00:00:09.440 The thing that he's done that has annoyed me most since the nomination and then going on to winning the presidency,

00:00:20.320 right up to the present, was that tweet that he sent just after John Kerry's speech,

00:00:26.520 where he was like, oh, don't worry, Israel. Things are going to be very different.

00:00:30.000 You know, when I come into office, there was something very—it made my skin crawl, you know?

00:00:37.700 It was just cringe-inducing. It was so sycophantic in its tone and everything else that it just—it didn't sit well with me at all,

00:00:48.180 and it just filled me with all kinds of foreboding.

00:00:50.400 I agree. And even if you want to put aside the geopolitical questions regarding Israel and Palestine,

00:01:00.720 it was a symbol that he was just becoming the conservative movement.

00:01:06.320 Like, everything that drives us nuts about conservatives, he was just reaffirming with statements like that.

00:01:14.420 You know, as if—you know, as if the U.S. government is anti-Semitic,

00:01:20.120 and it's only these plucky little conservatives in the Midwest who are sticking up for the state of Israel,

00:01:27.100 which is under threat.

00:01:28.200 And, you know, there was one—Louie Gohmert, who's this just idiotic congressman from Texas,

00:01:34.500 he went on and he's like, the Palestinians are bullies.

00:01:38.060 You know, we've got to stand up to those guys.

00:01:40.260 You know, it's like—you know, I mean, like, putting aside, like, the Jewish question or what have you,

00:01:46.340 all right, you have a nuclear-armed state, like, in Israel, that is a first-world techno, you know, nation state

00:01:58.620 with nuclear weapons and its, you know, good friends with the most powerful superpower in the world.

00:02:06.080 And then you have this, like, Arab non-country,

00:02:11.340 and you're saying, like, those bullies, you know, we've got to—

00:02:16.540 Yeah, they're bullies.

00:02:18.560 They shoot off some, like, limp-dick bottle rocket into Israel, kill no one,

00:02:24.200 and then Israel does a helicopter strife on a refugee tent city and, like, massacres the whole village.

00:02:31.360 So it's like, give me a break.

00:02:33.840 And also, this whole, oh, you know, Obama's bad for Israel.

00:02:38.520 Obama's probably been better, you know, I think, better on the whole Israeli question.

00:02:43.060 But let's be honest, he's not anti-Israeli.

00:02:46.580 If anything, he's been—he's not a neocon, which is good.

00:02:51.960 And the neocon—that's what—how can you be, say, better than Obama on Israel without just going full-blown neocon?

00:03:00.940 I mean, we're already overthrowing the governments in this region still,

00:03:06.320 though it looks like Syria has bailed itself out.

00:03:10.980 But it's like our intervention is still taking place in the region.

00:03:16.240 This is still benefiting Israel.

00:03:19.200 What more can be done besides literally going in and conquering countries like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan?

00:03:26.520 Well, yeah, I think the way I would look at it as well is, you know, there are these two aspects of Obama.

00:03:36.060 Because, I mean, there's this interesting thing.

00:03:39.740 Steve Saylor wrote a book in 2008 where he, in a way, put Obama on the couch and saw him as a kind of secret black nationalist.

00:03:48.480 And in Dinesh D'Souza, in—it was probably 2010, he stole a lot of those ideas.

00:03:56.480 I'm sure he did.

00:03:57.840 And he went with that and made Obama about this secret third-world revenge

00:04:03.060 and having this daddy complex with his father being Kenyan and having a white mother

00:04:09.800 and growing up in the United States and all this kind of stuff.

00:04:12.020 And kind of like vicarious nationalism, the conflicted consciousness of the mulatto who wants to be the real African.

00:04:21.300 And I actually think that psychological portrait is absolutely true.

00:04:25.940 And I think there is a kernel of truth and maybe more of a kernel of truth to the idea not that Barack Obama is anti-Semitic.

00:04:36.060 I do not believe that, but that Barack Obama sees Israel in his heart of hearts as a white imperial country that is oppressing brown people

00:04:46.600 and that he doesn't ultimately like it.

00:04:50.140 But I think, in a way, what we've seen with the Barack Obama administration is, like, the limits of his consciousness, you know, in office.

00:05:00.500 I mean, at the end of the day, you know, American policy in the Middle East has not fundamentally changed.

00:05:06.760 I mean, don't tell me it has.

00:05:08.260 Don't tell me that this is, like, the most anti-Israeli administration we've ever seen.

00:05:13.140 Like, don't give me this nonsense.

00:05:15.660 The policy has not changed a whole heck of a lot.

00:05:19.280 But I do think that maybe this U.N. resolution, because it came right at the end of the term,

00:05:23.940 it might have given us a little bit of a glimpse into two things.

00:05:26.960 A, Obama's consciousness, and then B, just the fact that, like, Israel has really lost legitimacy among liberal elites.

00:05:38.460 And that's a long time.

00:05:39.400 I mean, this has been happening for 40 years.

00:05:41.100 It's probably started with the New Left.

00:05:42.780 But, you know, if you go to academia, Israel has lost a tremendous amount of legitimacy.

00:05:48.700 I think it's lost a tremendous amount of legitimacy, even among, like, the John Kerry types and so on.

00:05:53.700 And, you know, when Samantha Power, a woman that I can't stand, I mean, a woman I definitely do not admire at all,

00:06:00.420 but I couldn't help but agree with her when she just said, like, let's treat Israel like just another country.

00:06:06.600 And so I think this, it does signal something.

00:06:09.660 It does signal something important that we shouldn't underestimate.

00:06:13.040 But then we shouldn't obviously become conservative idiots and be like, you know,

00:06:18.540 oh, this is the worst, the most anti-Semitic government since Hitler because they did a UN non-binding resolution that was perfectly reasonable.

00:06:27.960 But this accusation of anti-Semitism is really all they have left.

00:06:34.200 And that's why they're firing it, you know, just willy-nilly at any deviation from this culture that they had worked so hard to develop.

00:06:43.880 I mean, you look at all these organizations that funded jaunts for American and British and so many other nationalities,

00:06:51.960 nationalities, all these politicians to go to Israel and they would receive a very propagandized tour of various sites

00:07:01.840 and a sort of idealized presentation of what was going on in the West Bank and all the rest of it.

00:07:08.560 They invested in this culture in which it was the norm to always be striving upwards in the sense of, you know,

00:07:16.860 all politicians should be doing their utmost for Israel.

00:07:20.340 They're always, you know, trying to almost get an elbow up on each other as to who could be the most pro-Israel.

00:07:27.780 So any deviation from that culture is going to be seen as a huge threat and well out of proportion to the nature of the threat itself.

00:07:36.540 In the U.K., actually, 2016 was a frantic year to try among Jews, Jewish elites and sort of Israeli interests

00:07:47.760 to cope with what you just described there, Richard, as this creeping disillusionment about Israel within the liberal elites.

00:07:56.880 And, you know, I think there were like two, maybe three inquiries into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

00:08:02.860 And it all brought about because of this creeping paranoia and people were criticizing Israel.

00:08:10.300 And, of course, you know, in those leftist parties like Labour and just absolutely stocked full of the liberal elite,

00:08:19.420 the Jewish interests just went into panic mode.

00:08:22.780 And, you know, the cry went up of anti-Semitism and there was nothing but newspaper coverage of these inquiries

00:08:32.560 and their findings for months, months and months.

00:08:35.920 And, of course, in the end, you're no further on.

00:08:40.180 And these inquiries have kind of ground to a halt and it's kind of all been put to bed now

00:08:45.580 because sort of Corbyn succeeded and the whole thing really came to nothing.

00:08:49.100 But, yeah, they're just frustrated.

00:08:53.300 They can't cope with the collapse in the support.

00:08:57.660 And the fallback is always just claims of anti-Semitism.

00:09:01.200 I think the future of Israel does not look good in terms of, like, foreign policy for them or geopolitics.

00:09:11.400 And you're kind of seeing this on American campuses right now with the rise of the BDS movement.

00:09:19.780 And it kind of does fall into that third-worldist rhetoric you were stating earlier is that Jews look white to me.

00:09:29.040 And Israel, you don't get to line up with the Arabs and Amerindians and Africans.

00:09:36.760 You're the bad guy.

00:09:37.680 So they're losing out.

00:09:41.720 And also neoconservatism is in its death throes right now.

00:09:47.120 I don't think it's ever – honestly, I don't think it's ever coming back,

00:09:50.700 primarily because in order to exercise the power that they got to exercise under George W. Bush,

00:09:59.680 they would – well, one, they have to win the White House.

00:10:02.000 And I just simply don't think a neoconservative platform could have won the electoral map in the way that Donald Trump did.

00:10:11.000 So I just think that neoconservatism is – it's probably – it's always going to be there.

00:10:16.660 But I just think they are simply not going to be able to exercise power because they won't be able to win with that platform in the Republican Party.

00:10:23.660 And in the Democrat Party, they want nothing to do with neoconservatism.

00:10:28.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:29.420 And also the base of neoconservatism – I mean, if neoconservatism had a base.

00:10:34.480 I mean, it's not like Paul Wolfowitz was hosting mass rallies and people were hooting and hollering for Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol or anything like that.

00:10:44.380 But neoconservatism did have a base in a weird way, and it was evangelical Christians and Christian Zionists.

00:10:55.260 And, I mean, two things are happening.

00:10:58.000 One is that they went for Trump big time.

00:11:01.780 I mean, they went for Trump at 80 percent from what I've seen in the exit polls.

00:11:06.460 And so, you know, clearly amongst these evangelicals – I mean, we might want to criticize them, but I think, you know, even the harshest critics of them on the alt-right would recognize that, like, they often do have very good instincts.

00:11:23.660 They can just be terribly misguided.

00:11:26.980 But, you know, they went for Trump.

00:11:29.100 They recognized themselves as a culture and not so much as an ideology.

00:11:32.900 Like, it wasn't even a moral majority is how it was described.

00:11:38.280 It wasn't even policy issues or hot-button issues like abortion because clearly Donald Trump doesn't really care that much about abortion.

00:11:45.740 It was about us as a culture and us as a people, and that's a pretty interesting development and a positive one.

00:11:53.420 So the neoconservatives have lost their base.

00:11:56.540 And then the second thing is that evangelical Christians, white Christian America, is declining.

00:12:01.540 And it's declining, maybe not precipitously, but it's declining at a really rapid rate.

00:12:07.800 It's declining certainly in terms of legitimacy amongst educated people, amongst young people, you know, atheism, agnosticism is on the rise.

00:12:17.860 They don't look to evangelical Christians as a source of legitimacy, let's just be honest.

00:12:22.860 But it's also just declining in terms of real numbers.

00:12:26.980 And the religious right, you know, that had its moment in the late 70s, 80s, probably hit a peak in maybe the George W. Bush administration.

00:12:36.740 But it's definitely on the decline.

00:12:38.700 I think neoconservatives probably do have a bit of a future if they just live in the Democratic Party and kind of like mask themselves as humanitarian interventionists.

00:12:53.500 I think that's probably the road they're going to take.

00:12:56.780 And, you know, we saw that with the Trump election.

00:13:01.360 But I think that's the future of neocons is humanitarian Democrats, all with the name Kagan.

00:13:09.180 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:13:10.860 I think that's an accurate view of their future.

00:13:16.600 But anyway, I would say this.

00:13:18.260 A lot of conservatives distrust the U.N.

00:13:21.340 And I agree with that distrust.

00:13:25.440 I mean, I don't I mean, look, the U.N. was basically a tool of American hegemony.

00:13:31.560 I mean, it's not I think sometimes these conservatives are like, oh, that global institution that's, you know, taken away America's power of independence or something.

00:13:39.920 I mean, I think that's a little bit off.

00:13:41.900 It was a tool of the you know, it was a tool of the powers that won the Second World War, obviously.

00:13:48.580 So it's a tool of American power.

00:13:50.740 It spans American power.

00:13:52.520 But I would say this.

00:13:54.180 You know, if if when you look at geopolitical situations, sometimes you we keep asking ourselves, like, why can't we just solve this problem?

00:14:03.340 Like, why can't we come together?

00:14:04.880 The Israeli-Palestinian situation is obvious.

00:14:07.200 Like we have been trying to bring people to the table for decades and it just never works.

00:14:13.620 There are all these little bright, shining lights of hope and then they disappear.

00:14:17.300 And, you know, a similar situation you could look at in like the the North Korea, South Korea, Korean conflict.

00:14:25.720 And you could ask, like, why can't they just figure it out?

00:14:28.880 Like we have a model to work with with Germany.

00:14:31.860 And there there is a lot of problems there.

00:14:35.140 It's still not one country, you know, socially and economically, but it obviously worked out like we did it.

00:14:42.720 Why can't we do it?

00:14:43.520 And you have to ask yourself, like, what are the existing structures that are basically just perpetuating the problem?

00:14:51.940 And, you know, clearly the existing structure perpetuating the North Korea, South Korea problem is the the the South Korea to a small extent.

00:14:59.820 But it's overwhelmingly the American presence.

00:15:03.160 We are basically maintaining a status quo that is just it's not going to work.

00:15:12.200 I mean, it's a status quo postbellum or we're maintaining a war in a way.

00:15:16.060 And it's just we are maintaining that conflict and we are not allowing them to resolve it.

00:15:21.500 And if we left, I think there probably would be some bloodshed and there would be some harm.

00:15:27.980 But I think they would ultimately resolve that problem in probably a good way.

00:15:33.160 And I think the same thing you could say about Israel and Palestine, it is like the U.N. that's preventing a resolution.

00:15:39.980 And if the U.N. stopped playing games with Palestinians and Israelis and they just left and they allowed power politics to take place, I think that there would ultimately be a resolution.

00:15:56.560 There that obviously there might be a possibility of some kind of, you know, Israelis just went totally genocidal on the Palestinians.

00:16:06.740 But I actually doubt that they would do that.

00:16:08.780 I think that there would be some bloodshed.

00:16:10.660 But at the very least, you'd reach a solution to the problem.

00:16:14.320 And as opposed to this, like, perpetuating this the status quo that's shitty for everyone.

00:16:21.140 And so, yeah, I think I in a way my position to that whole thing would be like, look, let's get the let's stop like funding both sides.

00:16:28.760 Let's let's let's stop moralizing about it at the U.N. and other places and let's let power decide this.

00:16:37.420 And, you know, it's going to obviously it's going to be in Israel's favor.

00:16:41.100 But I would in a way rather that they, like, reach a solution with some, like, little Palestinian state or something or sending them back to Georgia, Jordan.

00:16:51.320 I don't know.

00:16:52.700 But I just something I just it just I feel like let's just reach a resolution as opposed to just maintaining this pain for another 50 years.

00:17:03.280 I suppose the worst case scenario, say you pulled the U.N. out and any other kind of peacekeeping or monitoring force and you just let the power politics play out.

00:17:15.100 I suppose the worst case scenario in that event is that Israel, as you say, really goes genocidal on the Palestinians.

00:17:22.480 But but in that in that case, Israel plays its hand and is basically exposed to the world for its actions.

00:17:29.920 So if it if it if it does its worst, then then we just see it for what it is.

00:17:34.340 Yeah, you know, it's it will stand exposed by by its decisions and the culture that operates behind those decisions.

00:17:43.520 And as you say, we would reach a resolution.

00:17:46.100 This this endless dangling of the Palestinians in the jaws of the beast doesn't do anyone any favors.

00:17:54.440 Mm hmm. I mean, if they if Israel genocided an entire people in 2017 and then continued to maintain its victim status, I think basically at some point people will be like, shut up.

00:18:10.380 Yeah. Yeah. There's there's a lot. There's a lot of chutzpah in Israel.

00:18:14.460 I just I just don't know if it would extend that far.

00:18:18.020 Yeah. I just don't think they would do that.

00:18:20.220 Obviously, that's a possibility. I just you know, again, no, I don't think we live in the age.

00:18:24.420 YouTube and you just you know, I don't think that would happen.

00:18:27.800 I think there would be something maybe sending a lot of people to Jordan, maybe giving them some little state that's not part of their, you know, grand biblical, you know, nonsensical vision.

00:18:41.320 But I don't know. It just it just seems like, you know, you have to solve a problem at some point.

00:18:46.960 I mean, it's just, you know, are we going to perpetuate this another fucking half century is the question.

00:18:53.920 Like, do we really want to be doing this in 2060, like talking about a Palestinian state and Fred, you know, wringing our hands about some atrocity that the, you know, Israel just perpetrated?

00:19:07.020 I just it's just I would want it to all go away.

00:19:10.740 I just just look as a student of history and as someone who has looked at the kind of the pain in the ass that the Jewish diaspora has been for the last, you know, 2000 years or more.

00:19:23.540 And when you read back accounts of people writing in the 30s and early 40s or whatever, you know, from from a Zionist perspective or sympathetic to Zionism and how they earnestly believed that, you know, once once the Jews get a state of their own, you know, everything will just be so much better.

00:19:40.160 And, you know, so many problems will be resolved.

00:19:43.020 And here we are, you know, so many decades after the founding of the state of Israel.

00:19:48.860 And it's just it's like the perennial problem.

00:19:51.540 I mean, one of my earliest memories as a youngster, maybe five or six of watching the news on TV, it was something about Israel and Palestine.

00:20:01.140 It was there.

00:20:01.920 And I'm sure when I'm on my deathbed and I'm lying in the, you know, in the hospital looking up at the television screen as I'm about to shuffle off this mortal coil.

00:20:11.060 If I'm if I'm watching the news, there will probably still be something there.

00:20:14.700 It's just it's like the endless it's the endless feature of human history is this is, you know, Israel, Jews dominating the international scene.

00:20:29.060 Yeah.

00:20:30.500 Yeah.

00:20:31.040 I mean, I'm I think everyone's kind of tired of it.

00:20:34.840 Well, anyway, let's let's do this.

00:20:37.440 Let's we're getting kind of dark here.

00:20:40.520 Let's it's a New Year's Eve podcast.

00:20:43.800 So let's let's look back on the glory that was 2016.

00:20:49.040 And I think also look forward to what we think is going to happen in 2017 with Trump and we can make some predictions and so on.

00:21:02.100 But I guess I could just say, wow, just wow.

00:21:06.620 I mean, I 2016 was absolutely insane.

00:21:12.060 I mean, I don't know how to put it.

00:21:14.780 I'll just start off by saying this.

00:21:17.020 I mean, I we were just we there was so much winning.

00:21:21.380 I did literally get tired of winning.

00:21:23.760 I mean, I I we I never I always thought like, oh, we peaked here like this is too much or whatever.

00:21:30.200 And it just kept going.

00:21:31.860 It was like the the Keck or the or the gods were just pushing and pushing and pushing.

00:21:36.740 And so, I mean, I remember there I think it was at the the the Amaran conference in 2016 where Ramsey Paul held up like a Google chart and he said, oh, look at alt-right, like the Google searches of alt-right are going this high.

00:21:51.060 And he's like, oh, we've done it.

00:21:52.420 Like we've we've entered, you know, we've done it kind of thing.

00:21:54.720 And that that was like everyone's forgotten that that was like the prelude to what happened.

00:21:59.520 I mean, getting denounced by Hillary Clinton also just the fact that we we did meme Donald Trump into a white nationalist candidate.

00:22:11.320 I mean, that that's insane what what we did, what we did, what we did.

00:22:15.620 I mean, and I don't I don't know.

00:22:17.780 It's like we really did do that as well.

00:22:20.560 I don't I don't think absent the alt-right and all of this energy that we're bringing.

00:22:26.360 I don't think the Trump campaign would be the same.

00:22:29.500 I think I can I can imagine an alternative history in which the Trump campaign was this kind of like Wall Street, you know, like Fox News business campaign where he's like, I've got to get in here and I've got to rejig the the government so that this is good for business and we're going to lower the corporate tax rates.

00:22:53.880 Like I can totally imagine that and just this horrible, you know, pro-capitalism campaign instead Trump became this like racialist campaign about like are we a nation or are we not and that was just amazing.

00:23:08.900 And I can't I mean, you could say, oh, he did that in spite of the alt-right.

00:23:12.480 The alt-right will bring him down or no, that is absolutely wrong.

00:23:16.320 He I don't think he would have done it without us.

00:23:18.160 I don't I don't think it would have taken on the color that it did without the alt-right Twitter and just alt-right people.

00:23:26.560 And so, yeah, we got denounced by Hillary.

00:23:29.000 We were even we got denounced by Donald Trump.

00:23:31.380 I mean, we were we just kept pushing.

00:23:36.200 I mean, again, Hailgate was kind of insane and I can understand how that, you know, offended people.

00:23:43.700 But at the end of the day, like everyone I mean, our impact now is global.

00:23:50.580 I mean, there are hundreds of millions of people that have heard the term alt-right and basically know what we're about kind of, you know, on a simple level.

00:24:01.920 Uh, I don't I don't know what to say other than like, yeah, we've we've taken some lumps and as everyone does, there have been some some some obstacles and some speed bumps along the road.

00:24:15.900 But holy shit.

00:24:19.000 I mean, that's all I can say about this year.

00:24:21.420 I mean, we we went from we just like slammed on the accelerator and we went from zero to 60 in one year.

00:24:29.080 Amazing.

00:24:29.520 It was.

00:24:33.580 I mean, it was amazing.

00:24:35.460 This was our coming out party, I guess you could say.

00:24:40.240 But it's also our coming out party in a lot of ways because we've been right.

00:24:47.220 I mean, we've had so many terrorist attacks throughout the world that have been easily predictable.

00:24:54.480 We've had the rise of Black Lives Matter.

00:24:58.500 And then Donald Trump, when he ran on his immigration campaign, we got to we got to see how the Latino community behaves when some of the rallies like in Chicago or San Jose erupted into violence.

00:25:16.740 So we've been vindicated every step along the way.

00:25:21.880 So that gives us credibility.

00:25:24.940 People look people who are not like insane leftists can look at us and see how we're growing.

00:25:33.860 They can be sympathetic to us or they can even join us because we've just been right.

00:25:39.540 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:43.220 I think there was one Scott McConnell wrote this essay about the alt-right.

00:25:47.460 I used to work for Scott McConnell.

00:25:49.220 He's a Scott McConnell is a very smart guy, kind of a funny character.

00:25:53.160 He was a wasp neocon throughout the 80s and much of the 90s.

00:25:59.860 And then he kind of flipped on them with the bombing in former Yugoslavia.

00:26:06.880 And then he really flipped on them against the Iraq War.

00:26:09.080 But anyway, he was he was saying this thing about Joe McCarthy, where it's like whether you think Joe McCarthy is right or wrong, you know that he is going to stick up for the American people.

00:26:21.840 And I think there is this vision of the alt-right where it's like whether you think they're there, they're a little they're too far, they go too far or whether you don't like some of the things they say, like, you know that these will be the people who will defend the white race no matter what.

00:26:43.100 And I think it is actually good to build up that kind of credibility, because I don't think I mean, just looking at conservatives, I don't think anyone can ever believe that they would ultimately defend the white race when push comes to shove.

00:26:59.240 Like when we're when our backs are up against the wall, maybe literally.

00:27:03.140 And but I think the alt-right has established itself as this sense of like, whatever you think about these guys, they're they're serious and they, you know, they get it.

00:27:17.760 And so I think we have established ourselves like in the world's mind as we know we are the ones you're going to probably have to turn to at some point.

00:27:27.720 I think that one of the it's become very apparent to me, even in the last few weeks, just just how on the edge of mainstream we now are.

00:27:40.220 I mean, I remember when the whole hail gate thing exploded, it was all over the news, even even in Europe, in the UK and Ireland, it was all over the news.

00:27:48.200 I actually went to visit my mother and, you know, we're talking about news and she says, do you know this guy Richard Spencer?

00:27:53.800 I just laugh. I just said, sit down, mother. Let's have a conversation.

00:28:02.940 But, you know, I was driving in the car to work just a few days ago and I was listening to BBC Radio 4, which is kind of like the highbrow intellectual station that the BBC has.

00:28:16.480 So they play lots of classical music and have lots of intellectual discussions, mostly from a center left perspective.

00:28:23.820 But they had this comedian on and I can't remember his name from the jokes that he was cracking.

00:28:29.080 He wasn't very good. But he started talking about the alt right.

00:28:32.500 And he said to the presenter of the show, he said something like, you know, one of the things I like about, you know, getting up and doing my show is, you know, I poke fun at Donald Trump and I poke fun at these alt right people.

00:28:43.420 Because, and you know why I do it? It's because these alt right people, they don't have a sense of humor and they can take a joke and they hate, you know, anyone making fun of them.

00:28:53.900 And I thought, well, first of all, he's got this completely wrong.

00:28:56.860 He obviously doesn't know much about the alt right because I think that we thrive on humor and have a very vibrant culture of humor within our movement.

00:29:05.780 And that's something I think that we have developed probably only in the last five years or so.

00:29:12.240 I think when you think kind of back to 1990s, white nationalism or whatever label you want to attach to, the antecedents of the alt right, it was kind of...

00:29:25.500 It was humorless.

00:29:27.140 It was humorless. It was.

00:29:28.560 It was kind of stuffy.

00:29:30.880 It was, you know, it was focused on things like, I don't know, like Holocaust denial or whatever.

00:29:38.040 There wasn't much room for humor there.

00:29:40.900 But we've become...

00:29:42.580 Exactly.

00:29:44.360 Andrew Anglin might argue differently on that point.

00:29:49.600 But we've gotten better at looking at ourselves.

00:29:53.320 We make fun of ourselves.

00:29:54.880 You know, I'm slowly but surely coming to grips with some of the internet language and the kind of the Twitter interaction.

00:30:04.600 This is something that I'm pretty new to because I guess I'm a bit more of the sort of the intellectual than some of the, you know, part of the more humor culture side of the movement.

00:30:15.520 But I'm getting used to it and getting to grips with some of the language.

00:30:19.240 And, you know, just things like calling each other spergs, you know, or autists and things.

00:30:25.920 You know, we self-reflect.

00:30:28.800 And this guy, this comedian, really got it wrong.

00:30:31.740 And it showed how little he knew because actually I think if we look at it by any kind of objective standard, the left is entirely humorless.

00:30:39.620 Oh, yeah.

00:30:40.020 They have so many sacred cows.

00:30:42.360 I mean, they're probably next to Islamists as far as humor goes, you know.

00:30:47.360 Oh, this is this is an interesting thing that that happened in 2016, actually, is is the the the left fully lost its ability to be funny.

00:30:56.960 And I I think that's been happening for a little while.

00:30:59.700 But I mean, even if you look at the the Jon Stewart case, it was almost symbolic that he retired.

00:31:08.420 I mean, I I I used to like The Daily Show.

00:31:12.680 I remember watching it in, say, 2004, 2005 at the height of the Bush era.

00:31:20.600 And it was like a well a refreshing relief from, you know, Fox News or talk radio bullshit.

00:31:28.480 You know, it's like he made fun of Bush.

00:31:31.300 He had you know, they would do these like wacky photoshops of Bush and Dick Cheney and blah, blah, blah.

00:31:37.460 And so basically the left can be funny when it's like looking up the skirt of its enemy, you know, when it's like just throwing darts at it or something like that.

00:31:46.580 But at this point, like the left has almost recognized that it can't be funny.

00:31:52.420 And so like that it was so symbolic when Jon Stewart came back, you know, from retirement and he was bearded and haggard, haggardly looking and just this just angry person who was like, you don't own this country.

00:32:06.980 You know, just deadly earnest and and and overly serious and just, you know, boring and pretentious, just everything bad, everything that they associate with, like the right they were basically.

00:32:22.300 And yeah, I mean, it's like you can't in a way you can't be funny when you're in power or I mean, just look at like Keith Olbermann.

00:32:29.840 I mean, Keith Olbermann has become like unintentionally hilarious.

00:32:33.600 I mean, I I love those resistance videos like I mean, he did one where he was like, I mean, he's he's serious.

00:32:41.500 He's it's like non ironic.

00:32:43.500 I can't believe he's not ironical, but I think he's like truly genuine.

00:32:48.000 He's like like like I can remember when we lived in a democracy, but we no longer live in a sovereign United States, like based on the will of the people of this country.

00:32:59.840 There has been a bloodless coup taken place.

00:33:04.100 Bloodless for now.

00:33:05.980 You know, I mean, it's just this just they are.

00:33:09.400 They are almost terrifyingly earnest in these proclamations.

00:33:14.340 I was I was surfing Twitter on the day that Carrie Fisher died.

00:33:17.680 And one of these one of these leftists had tweeted out something like, you know, let's let's, you know, live up to Princess Leia's legacy by smashing a fascist state.

00:33:27.200 And, you know, you know, they're so deadly earnest about this.

00:33:31.480 There's it's it's crazy.

00:33:33.200 Yeah.

00:33:33.740 Yeah.

00:33:34.720 And I don't know.

00:33:35.420 I mean, for humor.

00:33:36.120 Maybe they will become humor.

00:33:39.520 I don't know.

00:33:40.200 It's kind of funny.

00:33:40.920 I was just thinking about this.

00:33:42.580 I don't know if they they they could become humorful again in in the age of Trump, because obviously he's in charge and the Republicans are in charge of both houses of Congress.

00:33:52.560 But I don't know.

00:33:54.060 I don't see it anymore.

00:33:55.780 I don't at least what we've seen from them so far.

00:34:00.020 They're just like earnestly crying.

00:34:03.000 There's a Saturday Night Live sketch that I think it was the day or it was, you know, the weekend after Donald Trump was elected.

00:34:10.580 And the girl who plays Hillary Clinton, whom I actually find quite funny, like Kate McKinnon is her name.

00:34:18.900 And I don't know.

00:34:19.680 I'm sure she's some I think she's like a lesbian, you know, leftist comedian.

00:34:23.420 I don't care.

00:34:23.900 I think she's actually pretty funny, to be honest.

00:34:25.520 But she was like they opened up Saturday Night Live like this is like a late night comedy show with her like earnestly playing the piano, like singing sad songs on the piano and dressed up as Hillary Clinton.

00:34:43.780 And it was just and you were meant to cry.

00:34:47.080 And I mean, it's just I don't know.

00:34:49.020 I think they've kind of I don't know.

00:34:51.680 I don't think they can be funny.

00:34:52.800 I don't I don't I don't think that they can rediscover.

00:34:56.040 And this is the reason why towards the end of that interview that they did on this BBC for show with this comedian.

00:35:04.940 They actually asked him and they said, you know, what do you think will be the repercussions of your jokes?

00:35:11.440 And he said, you know, I don't know.

00:35:14.240 He said, I think that, you know, someone like Bush, you can make fun of them, make fun of them.

00:35:19.460 So the supporters and I think that there's something there was something.

00:35:22.800 There in terms of the left's jokes always had the intention of somehow hitting the mark or stinging or registering on some level, particularly there's always an element of condescension there.

00:35:35.560 Oh, Bush is stupid.

00:35:36.780 Oh, he can't pronounce, you know, nuclear in the correct fashion.

00:35:41.340 They always, they always, they always relied on some kind of intellectual feeling or that by reverse made the leftist feel somehow superior.

00:35:51.800 But the problem with Trump is he doesn't give a crap.

00:35:55.540 And, you know, you can make fun all you want.

00:35:58.300 He doesn't care.

00:35:59.040 In fact, it just riles them up and they'll hit you even harder.

00:36:01.500 And this comedian at the end of his interview said, you know, on some level, I'm wary of poking this tiger.

00:36:09.520 You know, he didn't use those words, but that's in effect what he was saying.

00:36:12.000 And I think that we can learn something like that as a movement also in that, you know, we don't leave any room for the left to score any kind of points against us.

00:36:26.780 We don't apologize.

00:36:28.220 We don't step back whenever they point something out like heel gate or whatever it might be or, you know, just anything that they might want to pick on.

00:36:38.340 We don't register it.

00:36:40.140 We just don't care.

00:36:41.540 You know, and that was one of the reasons why I think Trump succeeded was because in an age where, you know, taking backward steps and apologizing and, you know, expressing some sort of humility at some point became the norm, he refused to do any of those things.

00:37:00.460 And as much as I'm starting to get annoyed or apprehensive about aspects of the Trump presidency that might come to be, that's still something that I kind of respect about him and that we can learn from.

00:37:13.060 Yeah.

00:37:13.720 If I had apologized for heel gate, my career would be over.

00:37:18.240 Yeah, I agree.

00:37:20.060 Because I would have demoralized everyone.

00:37:22.900 I would have demoralized myself.

00:37:24.420 I would have demoralized the entire movement would have been disaster.

00:37:26.800 And I'm not just saying that like I strategically didn't apologize.

00:37:30.040 I mean, I would never apologize for that because we'd nothing, nothing wrong was done.

00:37:35.460 And I think it ultimately was good in this.

00:37:38.820 I mean, look, I get the arguments that like, oh, you shouldn't, you shouldn't play into their game or what I like.

00:37:43.740 Look, fine.

00:37:44.480 That's a legitimate perspective.

00:37:46.180 But I think heel gate demonstrated that we don't play by their moral rules.

00:37:53.100 You know, I mean, the left can raise a clenched fist.

00:37:56.680 The left can wear a Che Guevara t-shirt.

00:37:59.100 And yet the right is always like wringing its hand and crying about, you know, the Hitler and the Second World War and fascism and the Confederacy.

00:38:08.240 And I think it's just kind of good to say like, you know, fuck you.

00:38:14.800 We're not like we're not going to be neat.

00:38:16.960 Look, we're not going to be LARPing Nazis like that.

00:38:20.560 That is truly stupid.

00:38:21.620 And anyone who does that, I'll be like, knock it off.

00:38:24.800 You're being an idiot.

00:38:25.380 However, like we're also not going to play by your moral rules.

00:38:30.660 We can have fun.

00:38:32.160 We can be high energy.

00:38:33.140 We can be a little outlandish and we can get a little crazy.

00:38:36.520 Like, yeah, deal with it.

00:38:38.120 Well, I think this the fact that Donald Trump punches back and the fact that we punch back, that's going to vindicate the left because they're used to beating up on the cucky conservative punching bag.

00:38:54.160 Like, who just, oh, I'm so sorry for being a bad person and having like the wrong opinions.

00:38:59.620 Well, the fact that we punch back vindicates to them and it feeds their narrative that, look, it really is a fascist revolt because they literally think like I once had a conversation with a friend of mine.

00:39:15.420 She's like some woman.

00:39:17.480 She's just some woman with stupid opinions.

00:39:19.180 But she was like, this is over the gay wedding cake thing a few years back.

00:39:25.100 And I'm like, you really think that, you know, this has gone too far?

00:39:28.500 She's like, well, I mean, what's next?

00:39:30.380 Are they going to put them in ovens?

00:39:32.120 I'm like, they literally think that fascists are lurking in the shadows and that any time the right wing succeeds at doing anything that, oh, my God, the fascists are here.

00:39:47.520 You know, it's Darth Vader's arrived and we got to we got to get to the rebel alliance.

00:39:52.140 We got to stop them.

00:39:53.000 You know, it vindicates their narrative.

00:39:55.560 They they literally think that, like, we're just right around the corner.

00:39:59.540 We're going to come get them.

00:40:00.700 Yeah. And so this is also going to, I think, play out with, like, the left wing humor.

00:40:06.660 Only because they will make fun of Donald Trump for being like stupid, like he's very I mean, let's be honest.

00:40:12.600 He's kind of like an easy target in terms of like how he talks and his behavior.

00:40:18.000 You can make a caricature out of that alone.

00:40:20.800 And I've I've seen we saw what the Saturday Night Live people were doing.

00:40:24.180 And I think it's funny because that is like how he is.

00:40:27.540 He's like this big, ridiculous man.

00:40:30.640 But the fact that we retweeting like high schoolers, like that was actually fairly funny when he was like, I was at a life sketch where he's at like a national security briefing.

00:40:42.720 And they're like, Mr. President, what are you doing?

00:40:44.560 And he's like, oh, I just retweeted this guy.

00:40:46.740 Really great guy.

00:40:47.640 Some high school kid in Ohio.

00:40:48.920 You know, it's kind of funny because it's kind of it's true.

00:40:53.940 But anyway, anyway, go ahead.

00:40:55.640 But I think that it's going to vindicate their narrative.

00:40:58.840 And in a way, is the political left in the future going forward under Trump and with our rise, which I also think is going to be happening as well.

00:41:09.280 They're going to feel like they're fighting the revolution, like they're Luke Skywalker.

00:41:14.680 They literally believe it.

00:41:16.160 Yeah, they want us at some level, at some dark level.

00:41:19.660 I mean, they need us.

00:41:21.340 They need us.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, because you could say that, you know, like if Hillary had won, they, you know, Richard Spencer and Kevin McDonald and we'd just be locked up.

00:41:31.100 And they, you know, they would take away our ability to even, you know, use any system involved with the government.

00:41:38.680 Like we couldn't even have a checking account.

00:41:40.360 They just cracked down on us.

00:41:42.760 And I guess I can see that.

00:41:45.240 I mean, I think that was a possibility.

00:41:46.940 But remember, it was Hillary Clinton who used the first, well, maybe not the first politician, but the first politician to have a, because I think Paul Ryan might have said alt-right.

00:41:59.340 He might have been the first politician to say alt-right.

00:42:01.500 But Hillary was the first one to just base an entire, you know, half hour long speech on this.

00:42:08.420 She was a presidential candidate, the leading presidential candidate, called us out by name.

00:42:14.020 And, you know, at some level they want and need us.

00:42:17.960 And, I mean, this is the kind of contradiction of liberalism.

00:42:21.240 It's the contradiction of tolerance, which it can't tolerate intolerance.

00:42:25.160 It has to have this boogeyman, this kind of, you know, invisible center around which liberalism orbits.

00:42:35.520 And that center is fascism, you could say.

00:42:38.660 Not actual fascism, but just fascism as a myth, as a boogeyman, as a monster.

00:42:43.520 And so, yeah, they need us, and they're going to continue to promote us.

00:42:49.460 And I think at some level we should negotiate being that monster without actually being it.

00:42:58.700 I mean, again, obviously we don't want to become LARPing, you know, we don't want to create, we don't want to engage in historical reenactment.

00:43:10.540 That is going nowhere.

00:43:12.520 People will laugh at us, and it's stupid on so many levels.

00:43:16.440 But I do think that they've been, like, craving our opinions.

00:43:22.160 Like, they've been craving a wow, just wow moment.

00:43:26.180 Where it's not Lindsey Graham, you know, saying, like, oh, we want what y'all want.

00:43:31.340 Yeah, we just want it legal.

00:43:33.300 Like, we want more immigrants and all.

00:43:34.740 Like, they actually want someone to say, no, you know, I don't care if these immigrants are intelligent and wonderful people who are going to improve the economy.

00:43:45.940 They're not coming here.

00:43:47.140 They want that.

00:43:49.200 And so, yeah, I think in that sense, like, the alt-right's rise is just inevitable because all of these instruments of power want us to rise.

00:44:00.140 Just on that note, a friend of mine told me a couple of weeks ago, he's kind of a semi-prominent figure in the alt-right in England.

00:44:10.220 And he contacted me, and he said that he had been approached by one of the major TV channels in England because they wanted to make kind of just a short documentary show on him, maybe, like, just a one-off or, like, a two-parter.

00:44:24.140 And the explanation that they gave to him as to wanting to do this all of a sudden was they said that they needed a bogeyman.

00:44:30.980 They needed someone in the public imagination right now who could act as a bogeyman figure.

00:44:37.920 And Farage, Nigel Farage, didn't quite cut it.

00:44:40.500 They needed someone a bit more to the right of him, and the conservatives aren't really conservative because they're not really conserving anything.

00:44:45.740 And, you know, liberalism, as the saying goes, needs something to liberate people from, and they needed a bogeyman.

00:44:56.020 So the left is actively seeking us out, and, you know, we need to be careful in how we negotiate that, as you say,

00:45:04.880 into not becoming a cartoon bad guy or a bogeyman, but just at the same time to occupy some of that mental space in a way that we can make use of it.

00:45:17.740 And whether that's, you know, something like Healgate or whatever it takes to occupy some of that media space, we need to do it.

00:45:26.560 This morning, you know, I started the day, I just thought, I'll just pluck a book off the shelf, sit and have a read for a little while.

00:45:34.880 It's New Year's Eve, I'm going to relax.

00:45:36.600 I ended up picking off the essays and aphorisms of Arthur Schopenhauer, which is a major black toe.

00:45:42.340 So I decided to cheer myself up.

00:45:44.780 It was a major black toe.

00:45:46.580 So I decided to cheer myself up, and I just went on, and I went on quite a series of kind of leftist newspapers,

00:45:52.860 and the amount of opinion pieces that are there right now.

00:45:55.600 They view 2016 as a horrible year, as almost the end of the world, and they're trying to reassure each other emotionally and saying, you know,

00:46:03.740 the right is ascendant, but it's not omnipotent.

00:46:06.840 And, you know, there are some reasons for hope that we can cling to.

00:46:11.320 They are pearl-clutching and grasping each other for comfort right now.

00:46:16.840 And that's because we are, we have come in, we've occupied some of the space.

00:46:22.380 We haven't messed it up.

00:46:24.120 You know, Richard Spencer's name is not conjuring up demonic images, for example, in the way that David Duke's might,

00:46:32.880 with all due respect to David Duke.

00:46:34.320 But, you know, you're of the same prominence now, but not in the same, you're not dipping into the same negative territory that there might be.

00:46:44.100 And, you know, we were talking about denunciations earlier about Trump denouncing us and Hillary denouncing us.

00:46:49.400 No one got more denunciations than David Duke in 2016.

00:46:53.460 Oh, yeah, right.

00:46:54.000 People were queuing up for that.

00:46:55.160 But, you know, we are occupying, I think, in my opinion, good space, useful space at the minute.

00:47:02.600 And I think that can be grown with correct decision-making.

00:47:07.020 And if we keep doing what we're doing in 2017, we can continue to grow within that space.

00:47:11.660 Yeah.

00:47:12.100 I also think that a lot of these divorces that have occurred recently, and which were accelerated or maybe you could say catalyzed by Hailgate,

00:47:26.380 I think that these were just all basically inevitable and that we shouldn't ever have been surprised.

00:47:35.140 And I'm referring to the Cernovich-type people who, I mean, at least from what I can tell with Cernovich and those type people,

00:47:45.220 I think they're going to basically, I don't, I think they're going to probably pull back from a full-throated denunciation,

00:47:53.320 like, you are absolute evil, I am the opposite of you kind of thing.

00:47:58.160 I think they're going to probably go halfway.

00:48:00.280 Anyway, you know, we won't be invited to the deplorable, you know, gasp.

00:48:07.100 But I don't, I don't, I think they actually will kind of have a little bit of a playing footsie with us,

00:48:14.760 which I think is also something we should just negotiate.

00:48:18.820 I think that is better than being totally ignored, which was the case with the conservative movement for forever, basically.

00:48:27.300 So I do think that that's a positive phenomenon.

00:48:30.060 And I think the fact that we just kind of, like, in a way, we made people like Bill Mitchell just kind of show their hand as just a cheerleader, basically.

00:48:39.940 Like, there's nothing Trump can do that he will criticize, effectively.

00:48:44.180 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:48:45.620 I mean, you know, he's just going to apologize and apologize.

00:48:50.260 He's a Trump fan.

00:48:51.360 He believes in all this MLK colorblind bullshit.

00:48:56.500 And so just, you know, like, we never should have been in the same boat.

00:49:01.160 It just is, it was never going to work.

00:49:04.020 And Hillgate just accelerated this divorce.

00:49:07.380 But I think the divorce is fine because it's like we're known.

00:49:11.180 We are, we do.

00:49:12.840 I agree.

00:49:13.520 I mean, again, with all respect to David Duke, I mean, he, you know, it was a little too easy to criticize him because of the Klan thing.

00:49:22.840 And I understand why he did that.

00:49:24.920 And it's not his fault.

00:49:25.840 And I don't think that it is, you know, moral to define David Duke by the Klan.

00:49:32.380 But the alt-right still is, you know, it's new, it's fresh, it's young, it's more ambiguous, it's humorful, it's, it just, it has a different vibe from that older version of the right.

00:49:46.060 And I think that's good.

00:49:47.540 I think even David Duke would probably agree with everything I just said.

00:49:51.700 And so, you know, this is where we are.

00:49:54.460 And we're, we need to be our own group.

00:49:59.100 I think the worst thing in the world would have been for us just to descend into the alt-right.

00:50:04.820 I do think the alt-right is a, a general, I'm still of the opinion that the alt-right is a net positive phenomenon.

00:50:13.380 And I know, I'm sure there are a ton of people who disagree with that.

00:50:16.580 But I do think that I would rather have them being popular than the conservative movement.

00:50:24.460 I mean, for me, that's just an easy thing to answer.

00:50:27.100 So, you know, that is better.

00:50:29.220 So I do think it's a net positive along with the negatives.

00:50:31.700 But the fact is, the alt, like, no one is co-opting the alt-right.

00:50:35.380 Like, the alt-right is not going to be the tea party because we're not just a bunch of wishy-washy people.

00:50:40.320 The alt-right has been defined.

00:50:42.280 And it is an identity movement.

00:50:45.600 Race is real.

00:50:46.660 Race matters.

00:50:47.360 Race is the foundation of identity.

00:50:49.160 We are willing to ask questions that other people aren't, they are not willing to go there.

00:50:54.240 And this is not going away.

00:50:57.020 So, yeah, I mean, I just, I think we've, like, kind of run a gauntlet and we've, we've won.

00:51:01.960 You know, we, we didn't, we, we didn't, we didn't, we weren't co-opted by the alt-right.

00:51:07.740 We weren't co-opted by Trump.

00:51:09.060 We weren't co-opted by the GOP.

00:51:10.960 And, but then we also, you know, we, we also, like, maintained our edgy cool factor as well.

00:51:20.280 So, yeah, that, that's what I think has happened.

00:51:22.200 But all these divorces and, like, getting denounced by Bill Mitchell or Mike Cernovich going away.

00:51:27.340 I mean, look, that was all inevitable.

00:51:29.560 I probably would have thought that that would have happened a little bit later.

00:51:32.480 Instead happened in 2016.

00:51:34.240 But who cares?

00:51:37.400 I think, I think it's, I think the divorces are a good thing as well.

00:51:41.400 I mean, I haven't read into the Cernovich business in a great deal.

00:51:46.100 But one of the things that kind of just sticks in my jaw about it anyway is just how Cernovich has been given, you know, so much airtime.

00:51:56.500 Even if he decides to come out and signal against the alt-right and everything else that he's been doing, as far as I can tell, he himself has not done that much other than produce this book, The Gorilla Mindset, which is, you know, one of these curious books.

00:52:12.720 Which is the greatest book ever written.

00:52:15.160 I mean, keep that in mind.

00:52:16.900 Well, you know, it's one of these curious books that is supposed to, you know, tell you how to be a man.

00:52:22.400 And I guess it's always been my philosophy that if you need a book to tell you how to be a man, you know, the book's probably not going to work as far as getting you to that point, you know.

00:52:32.340 So, but, you know, I don't think that Cernovich could be regarded as any kind of intellectual heavyweight.

00:52:38.440 I don't think he's even is very well versed in our ideology or why we hold many of the positions that we do.

00:52:45.520 So, I don't give, I don't understand the weight that I suppose is attributed to his opinion on us.

00:52:54.140 But I guess that's by the by, it's part of the internet age.

00:52:56.880 It's part of the Twitter age, I guess, you know.

00:52:58.660 Yeah.

00:52:59.160 Maybe Twitter followers count for something and all the rest of it.

00:53:02.800 How much, you know, real world impact some of that still translates into, I'm not so sure.

00:53:09.420 But I guess it's, you know, because so much of our existence and our politics is still conducted online, I suppose there's some merit to it for that reason alone.

00:53:21.580 But it doesn't really concern me.

00:53:24.260 What concerns me is that the alt-rights ideas, as you described it being defined, that they remain intact and that, you know, our focus at the end of the day is very simple.

00:53:35.200 We want to continue as a people.

00:53:36.940 We want our cultures, and there are several cultures within our group as a people, that they continue to flourish, that we have a future, and that we assert ourselves unapologetically.

00:53:51.580 And I think, you know, if we stick with those priorities, we will eventually succeed.

00:53:58.000 And the more divorces of sort of ne'er-do-well characters who disagree with any of those principles, the better.

00:54:04.620 Yeah.

00:54:05.500 Well, I think also the alt-right, and I have said this, I think it's the alt-right that is in danger of collapse and not the alt-right.

00:54:13.220 Because the alt-right is, two things are going on with the alt-right.

00:54:18.260 The alt-right is playing this little game.

00:54:20.960 It's walking a tightrope where it wants to, in a way, like, take the energy of the alt-right, of the edginess, the fearlessness, the willing-to-go-there-ness.

00:54:35.000 It wants to channel that.

00:54:37.220 But then it doesn't want to go too far.

00:54:39.060 And so, I mean, this is the kind of thing with, like, the deplorable.

00:54:44.360 And in some ways, I'm shocked that people are even paying attention to the deplorable.

00:54:48.860 Because it's like, look, these guys are just having a party.

00:54:51.640 Like, who cares?

00:54:52.700 But at some level, it actually is emblematic, and it is newsworthy.

00:54:56.840 Like, these guys are going to say, like, oh, we're all about free speech.

00:55:00.560 We're the bad boys of the right.

00:55:02.320 You can say anything with us.

00:55:03.780 Like, we're crazy.

00:55:05.060 We're crazy, man.

00:55:06.340 Watch out.

00:55:07.000 You don't know what we're going to do.

00:55:08.780 We're crazy.

00:55:09.400 But then at the end of the day, they have to engage in thought policing.

00:55:13.180 And, like, whatever you want to say about Baked Alaska or whatever, like, that was thought policing.

00:55:20.020 I mean, they do not.

00:55:21.480 They are censoring free speech, and they have every right to do that.

00:55:24.560 But it shows where they are, and it shows why that is just not going to work.

00:55:29.340 Like, they're going to either have to become colorblind conservative doofuses,

00:55:34.780 or they're going to have to become the alt-right.

00:55:38.500 Like, the alt-right doesn't work, in my opinion, and it won't.

00:55:43.520 So, you know, I wish them the best.

00:55:47.540 I'm not as hostile towards the alt-right as some people are.

00:55:51.300 It's just my perspective on them, but it's not going to work.

00:55:54.000 And then the other thing about the alt-right is that it's a kind of collection of personal brands.

00:55:59.440 And I think that's where you were getting, Andrew, before with Cernovich.

00:56:03.380 Like, you know, he has a huge Twitter following.

00:56:06.300 He produces a ton.

00:56:07.920 He has a certain charisma and, you know, all this kind of stuff.

00:56:12.840 And Milo is the same way.

00:56:15.000 But at the end of the day, they're just, they're like personal brands that don't have anywhere to go.

00:56:21.680 You know, there's no, like, it's about Milo.

00:56:24.560 It's about Cernovich.

00:56:26.040 It's not really about a broader movement.

00:56:27.940 I mean, I have my own personal brand, you can say.

00:56:32.020 But, you know, and, you know, I have my own style and look and what have you.

00:56:38.060 But it's not, like, it's about the alt-right.

00:56:41.000 Like, it's not just purely about me.

00:56:43.640 And, you know, I don't, I exist within the alt-right.

00:56:47.100 And, you know, whether I would, you know, my personal brand is all about the movement.

00:56:53.320 And Cernovich and Milo, like, what movement is there?

00:56:56.740 Like, there's nothing.

00:56:57.700 It's just, like, we like these personalities for whatever reason.

00:57:01.520 And so, yeah, I think both of those guys are going to probably jump on another wave.

00:57:05.760 You know, Milo jumped on GamerGate.

00:57:07.700 Then he jumped on Trump and the alt-right.

00:57:09.440 And now there's going to be some other wave in 2017 or 2018.

00:57:14.240 Both of those guys are going to jump on it.

00:57:16.200 And we're probably not going to hear from them again.

00:57:20.900 Yeah, I agree.

00:57:22.320 I think that's why HaleGate was actually perfect.

00:57:27.120 It was brilliant.

00:57:27.620 I've told you this before, that it separated the wheat from the chaff.

00:57:31.520 And you saw, it's like, you're either with us or you're against us.

00:57:35.960 You do, you pretty much, you know, give a little wink and a nod and did something extremely edgy.

00:57:42.760 And you're like, let's see where the cards fall.

00:57:45.420 And then half the people are like, we're with you.

00:57:48.680 And then the other half of the people are clutching their pearls.

00:57:51.420 So, and, you know, with the Trump movement, what happens is we, like, we basically did a battering ram and raided the American right wing.

00:58:02.200 And we got rid of the neocons and the cuck-servatives.

00:58:05.200 And now what's left is us and the alt-right movement.

00:58:10.020 And so they've become the new cuck-servative wing, essentially, because we're not afraid of being politically incorrect, whereas they are.

00:58:22.720 So at the end of the day, there's going to be some issue that they're just going to be too afraid to talk about.

00:58:29.200 And we're going to call them out on it.

00:58:31.340 And they're going to look like fools.

00:58:33.460 And then that'll just bring more people to us.

00:58:36.220 So that's how this is going to work.

00:58:38.860 Yeah.

00:58:40.020 Yeah.

00:58:41.660 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:58:43.740 They're the new cuck-servatives.

00:58:45.180 They're the new cucks.

00:58:48.120 We should just try to be nice at least once.

00:58:50.760 Like, we've ruined enough people's lives.

00:58:52.900 You know, the alt-right.

00:58:53.640 Let's, no.

00:58:55.340 No.

00:58:56.320 We're going to destroy them all.

00:58:58.420 Our bloodlust knows no bounds.

00:59:05.040 But, anyway, do you want to, yeah, I guess we can maybe shift.

00:59:09.860 We're going to shift to 2017.

00:59:15.080 Yeah.

00:59:16.300 It's all these, you know, it's kind of funny.

00:59:19.000 You're in these, basically the whole year, like, I think this, the time around the holidays from Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's, like, we take kind of a, we take a break as a culture.

00:59:33.180 Like, we inhale, we relax, we don't work as hard, we're just, you know, it's Yuletide, we're kind of hanging out, thinking about things.

00:59:42.760 And, but I do think that we can't always, you just, you really can't predict what's going to happen.

00:59:48.400 Like, if I had said, if I had made a prediction in, you know, this time of year in 2015 and said, like, we will be denounced by Hillary Clinton by name and, you know, like, I will make world news by our, the MPI conference will be worldwide news.

01:00:07.640 People would be like, you're insane, you know, get out of town, you know, kind of stuff.

01:00:12.000 But we did it.

01:00:13.700 So, I don't know, maybe, maybe I should, I should just hesitate to make a prediction.

01:00:17.240 Although, maybe another thing we could say is that maybe 2017 will be a quieter year, but it will be a more important year.

01:00:28.840 Like, we're going to be, we're going to be really building up our movement.

01:00:33.880 And it's, you know, it's going to be kind of inherently less intense because of where there's not an election on, but it's going to be maybe much more important because we're going to establish ourselves.

01:00:46.080 So, anyway, those are just kind of my thoughts going forward.

01:00:49.380 I would say about Trump, my thoughts going forward, you guys can pick up on this and run with it.

01:00:54.380 I think Trump is actually going to have a very, very difficult time.

01:00:59.780 I think I would predict that there is going to be a bit of a revolt amongst the conservatives.

01:01:07.900 I mean, we're already seeing it in terms of the immigration stuff and even the wall.

01:01:13.760 And, you know, Trump is seemingly in total power by having both houses of Congress, but I don't, I still don't think they see him, I'm talking about the conservatives, I still don't think they see him as legitimate.

01:01:29.000 I still don't think they want to ultimately be a nationalist and populist movement.

01:01:33.260 And so, he's going to have a huge amount of trouble.

01:01:37.080 I don't want to make financial predictions, but look, we haven't had a big stock market crash since 2008.

01:01:45.820 And so, it's got to happen in the next, say, two years, and it might very well happen in 2017.

01:01:51.180 And, you know, it's just these things, these things are actually cyclical and predictable.

01:01:58.060 And that's going to be hard.

01:02:00.340 I really wish a stock market crash would have happened in 2016, because that would have, everyone would have been mad and they would have just like, let's change parties, let's take a new course.

01:02:09.100 Instead, it's going to probably happen in Trump's first term.

01:02:12.800 So, this is my general outlook.

01:02:16.100 I think Trump is going to face a lot of obstacles.

01:02:18.660 I think it's going to be very hard, and I think he's going to struggle to gain legitimacy, not just amongst liberals and among the civil servants and among academia and public schools, blah, blah, blah, and the media, of course.

01:02:33.400 I think he's going to struggle to have legitimacy among Republicans.

01:02:36.700 So, that is my outlook for Trump.

01:02:42.720 Mine would be broadly similar.

01:02:45.260 I can't see him being very successful, particularly when it comes to immigration and getting any kind of meaningful proposals through Congress.

01:02:56.700 My overall outlook for 2017 is kind of similar to yours, Richard.

01:03:02.040 I think it's going to be a quieter year overall.

01:03:04.660 When I look back on 2016, I mean, this time last year, we were all, especially in Europe, there was kind of a lingering cloud hanging over from the Paris attacks, which occurred in November 2015.

01:03:20.360 And then from that, we kind of went straight into the New Year's Eve, or, yeah, the New Year's Eve sex attacks in Cologne and in several other cities across Germany.

01:03:31.660 And I remember at that point, there was a real foreboding about, you know, how the whole year was going to pan out, and it ended up panning out very unfortunately indeed with, you know, there were a series of terror attacks across Europe, all kinds of antagonisms building up under that.

01:03:47.920 And I think that by the time David Cameron had announced that there was going to be an EU referendum in the UK in February, that there was this kind of underground feeling that Brexit could happen.

01:04:03.080 And it wasn't a huge surprise to me that it did.

01:04:06.120 It was one of those earth-shaking events, just like Trump being elected, that, you know, it's going to be hard to beat, if I can phrase it like that, in terms of, you know, really momentous events happening in 2017.

01:04:22.760 In a lot of ways, I think Brexit's going to be just like Trump, in the sense that a lot of the optimism that accompanied the victory itself isn't going to be necessarily reciprocated with events or with results.

01:04:41.360 You know, you know, Brexit has been legally challenged in the courts.

01:04:46.040 I think it will eventually go through unscathed and there will be the triggering of the necessary articles for the UK to officially and formally leave the EU.

01:04:54.720 But I don't think that that's going to bring any of the results that people voted for Brexit for.

01:05:01.500 Brexit was a vote about immigration and gaining control over national borders and looking out for the interests of the native British people.

01:05:11.360 But, you know, Brexit isn't going to deliver that.

01:05:14.840 And I think that the British people and so many other of the nationalities and peoples across Europe who think that leaving the EU will be the answer to all of their ills, I think they need to abandon that idea.

01:05:26.420 And there might be some truth in that also for Americans when it comes to Trump in that, you know, voting for this kind of civic nationalist politics, voting for these kind of catch-all panaceas that you think is going to happen, isn't going to deliver.

01:05:40.920 And what's necessary is a much deeper cultural and certainly on an individual level shift to ideas about identity, about looking at who you are, what you want for your children, and to start voting or at least participating in politics along those lines.

01:05:59.540 You know, but it's difficult to educate the average voter on those issues, you know, especially when they're fed very simplified and simplistic narratives about what voting for Trump will do.

01:06:16.440 Oh, he'll build the wall.

01:06:18.260 Or, you know, voting for Brexit.

01:06:21.400 Oh, we'll have control of our borders again.

01:06:23.440 It's really not that simple.

01:06:24.480 Yeah, and maybe, in a way, Trump has to fail for us to ultimately succeed.

01:06:33.820 I mean, it's, you know, you can't, we can't just revive 1984.

01:06:43.600 And I don't mean Orwell's 1984.

01:06:46.520 I mean, the 1984 that actually happened, the kind of, you know, mourning in America 1984, the synth pop 1984, you know, it's just, we can't, we're not going to be able to go back.

01:07:04.300 And I do think that's what the Trump movement is about.

01:07:08.120 I mean, maybe in Trump's mind, you know, it is, it is about going back a few decades.

01:07:16.360 And it is inherently conservative.

01:07:18.840 I, maybe this kind of thing has to fail for the alt-right to ultimately, to ultimately rise.

01:07:24.740 And just to say that, like, look, none of this is enough.

01:07:29.580 We're going to have to become much more radical.

01:07:34.140 We're going to have to, we're going to have to stop, you know, farting around about immigration and what that is.

01:07:42.220 I mean, I think in a way we need to overcome the whole immigration issue.

01:07:45.540 I mean, look, we stop all immigration tomorrow.

01:07:48.240 I mean, I'm telling you about the United States perspective.

01:07:49.980 But this is increasingly becoming the European perspective.

01:07:53.400 Look, if we, if we, if we stop all immigration right now, we will still become a minority white country by, I don't know, say 2070, 26.

01:08:06.960 I mean, we will have basically delayed the inevitable by 15 years or whatever.

01:08:11.360 Who cares at some level?

01:08:13.240 You know, we, we've got to start thinking of new and radical solutions.

01:08:18.860 We, we've got to start thinking about them at the very least.

01:08:22.000 Um, and, uh, yeah, I, I, I think maybe Trumpism kind of has to, has to fail for, for people to start thinking like that.

01:08:32.360 Um, and, and, and I don't know, I mean, it is the alt-right that's going to do that.

01:08:35.780 I mean, the conservative, and this is just a kind of add on to my prediction.

01:08:38.960 I mean, the conservative movement is basically going to enact the, the so-called, you know, uh, autopsy of the 2012 campaign,

01:08:48.240 where it's like, ah, we need to be lighter, friendlier, we need to reach out to Hispanics.

01:08:52.840 We'll reach out to them on the basis of capitalism and family values, you know, good luck with that.

01:08:56.880 But, uh, you know, I think they're going to try to become goofier and goofier,

01:09:01.580 and it's just going to become more and more apparent that the alt-right is necessary and that we need identity politics.

01:09:08.580 I think that, um, I share similar views on the future of Donald Trump as you all.

01:09:19.320 I think that he is going to face a lot of resistance, but given the nature of Donald Trump,

01:09:27.020 I think the resistance he faced will embolden him.

01:09:30.960 So he is definitely not going to go down without a fight.

01:09:34.580 I do think that he will not be able to carry out as much of his agenda that he wants.

01:09:42.500 And I think that, uh, Americans are going to get a, their first lesson in the, the nature of the managerial state,

01:09:52.440 that you can't just select a king and, uh, he's going to fix everything.

01:09:57.820 There's this massive bureaucracy and there's lots of private and public sector actors that constitute all of the power structures in our society.

01:10:12.460 And as jazz hand says, whenever they're selecting like the heads of the departments that they seem to be recycling the same people.

01:10:21.540 Yeah.

01:10:22.440 And that's true because in order to run the department of defense,

01:10:28.600 you need someone who comes from this class of people that you're trying to get rid of.

01:10:34.740 You can't pick a shit Lord Pepe 1488 off of Twitter and make him the secretary of state.

01:10:42.460 You need to find someone who's a politician, a corporate CEO, a banker, a bureaucrat, someone who's already part of this managerial class that you're trying to overthrow and topple.

01:10:55.920 So the executive, uh, branch is very large and very powerful.

01:11:01.860 And some of the people that Donald Trump has selected are kind of, they're on board, like Jeff Sessions for example, they're on board with his agenda, but not all of them are going to be.

01:11:14.260 And certainly the Republican party, I wouldn't rely on them for anything, but they're, they're going to be a problem.

01:11:21.820 The Democrats will surely be a problem.

01:11:24.580 The media is going to be a problem.

01:11:27.020 Academia is going to be a problem.

01:11:29.460 And it's going to be literally Donald Trump and a handful of people trying to fight off the rest of the managerial state and try and get through as much as he possibly can.

01:11:42.140 I think some things he'll be able to do, but I would don't, I think it won't be enough.

01:11:46.540 Um, and people are going to witness a very interesting stay of affairs over the next four years when Donald Trump does try to push his immigration through and he is met with all kinds of resistance, not just from political parties, but the bureaucracies themselves.

01:12:06.460 Oh yeah.

01:12:08.800 Right.

01:12:09.360 I mean, you, you have to execute these orders and that's, you know, it's not like Donald Trump himself can do this.

01:12:15.940 Um, yeah, no, that, that, that's, uh, that's absolutely the case.

01:12:20.800 Do you think Donald Trump would make a push for limiting legal immigration or do you think he's going to basically do this kind of false dawn of maybe D-A-W-N-D-O-N?

01:12:36.460 Pun there.

01:12:37.920 Uh, this kind of false dawn of building a massive wall for billions of dollars and like deporting hundreds of thousands of convicted felons, but then like increasing legal immigration.

01:12:49.680 I, I almost, my prediction is that he might do something like the latter.

01:12:53.540 And that is, um, uh, that really bothers me.

01:12:58.100 I don't know if he'll increase legal immigration.

01:13:01.740 I think he'll get part of it.

01:13:03.620 I mean, the wall, I just have to imagine that the wall is going to be part of, if he doesn't get the wall, then he'll be viewed as a massive failure even by his own supporters.

01:13:12.760 Yeah.

01:13:13.200 So I think the wall is coming and I think he'll definitely round, yeah, round up the most unsavory illegal immigrants.

01:13:21.120 They can find the rapists, the drug dealers.

01:13:23.420 As for, I believe he proposed like a 10 year moratorium or maybe that's what Ann Coulter said.

01:13:31.560 I don't, in her book, Adios America, but it was that there was supposed to be, uh, you know, immigration moratorium that's going to go along with this.

01:13:40.720 I don't think he's ever proposed that.

01:13:42.440 I think Ann Coulter might've done that and Richard Spencer might've said things like that, but I've never heard that from Trump.

01:13:49.280 Um, I don't think, uh, I don't know if legal immigration will increase, but I don't see it decreasing necessarily either.

01:13:58.840 Yeah.

01:13:59.060 And it's not because I don't, well, I don't know that the thing is we don't really know what Donald Trump believes.

01:14:04.580 We just kind of trust him.

01:14:06.920 Yeah.

01:14:07.120 Like we don't know what he is really going on in his head.

01:14:11.480 Uh, we don't know what they talk about at the dinner table.

01:14:14.760 If he sounds like us or if he just sounds like a businessman who's like, I just want really good people here, you know, like the best people.

01:14:22.460 Yeah.

01:14:22.760 So we don't, we don't even know what he believes.

01:14:25.260 Yeah.

01:14:25.740 But I think, uh, but I do think the one positive out of facing that resistance is that that will embolden him and, you know, that will embolden his supporters and kind of fire up the populism that we kind of need.

01:14:42.240 You need, we need to have a populist revolt.

01:14:44.640 That's the only way you're going to dismantle or even attempt to dismantle this political system.

01:14:50.780 It's just with a bunch of angry people making demands.

01:14:55.740 That's the only way you're going to do it because otherwise it's business as usual.

01:15:00.600 I think, I think we'll know that our ideas are really starting to gain some traction when a discussion about legal immigration starts to become at least more commonplace.

01:15:12.320 I mean, I know that Richard has raised this point several times in the media interviews that he's done.

01:15:19.400 And I think that that's absolutely crucial and so, so important because it's legal immigration that's killing us, basically.

01:15:27.740 Um, whether that's, you know, whether it's Germany taking in 1.3 million refugees or whether it's the fact that the United States at the minute currently has more than 46.6 million people of foreign birth within its borders, most of whom got there with the paperwork.

01:15:46.440 Um, so, you know, this is a huge problem and the conversation definitely needs to move away from, you know, the, the, the, the criminal aspect of it to, to, to a kind of, you know, I, I really identity, racial, ethnic aspect of it.

01:16:04.180 Um, because we, we, we can be fully wiped out with legal immigration.

01:16:11.740 If, if the government, I mean, look at the, look at the conservative government in the UK.

01:16:15.860 I mean, it's going under the conservative label, but immigration increased, uh, by a huge amount under the conservatives as opposed to the Labour Party, which preceded them.

01:16:28.340 It's, it's, and that was with legal immigration, you know?

01:16:31.520 So it's, it's, it's horrific problem.

01:16:36.440 Yeah.

01:16:37.000 And also just, if you think about the electoral aspect of all this thing, I mean, look, Trump was an identity candidate.

01:16:44.840 He was a populist candidate.

01:16:46.300 He was, is a overtly nationalist candidate, you know, America first, I'm going to stick up for you, all this kind of stuff.

01:16:53.320 Not, maybe not a race, not a racial nationalist candidate, but he, he, he was the, the, the last stand of implicit white identity, so to speak.

01:17:03.540 Um, but, uh, yeah, so that's what he was, but keep, keep in mind, I mean, he, he had an electoral college victory, uh, which is remarkable.

01:17:14.120 I don't know anyone who predicted that I, I certainly didn't, I predicted that he would win on Twitter, uh, and I predicted that it would be close, but I, I don't think anyone, anyone I know predicted this, how it would happen, uh, which is remarkable.

01:17:27.680 But let's remember, I mean, how did he win some of these States by like 10, 20,000 votes, like winning Michigan and, and things like that.

01:17:36.280 Uh, let's keep in mind that four years from now, so many of these people who voted for him will literally be dead.

01:17:46.600 Uh, and there are going to be millions upon millions of people who are either new immigrants or who are going to be registered.

01:17:57.680 You know, uh, people who are here legally, but haven't been registered yet.

01:18:01.620 Uh, maybe there will be an amnesty.

01:18:03.300 I don't know.

01:18:03.680 I don't think so, but there might be, but just that fact alone, I mean, the, the God, I'm sorry.

01:18:11.740 I don't, I'm not meaning to black bill people.

01:18:13.880 I'm actually meaning to say the opposite.

01:18:15.560 I'm saying that like, we're going to rise, but like, let's keep this in mind, you know, there could be a big wipeout, uh, four years from now, just for that fact alone.

01:18:25.760 So yeah, it's, yeah, it is a bit of, it's, it's a bit of a black pill, but there's, there's a silver lining on all these black pills.

01:18:34.760 And that is that the, the civic nationalist right basically needs to exhaust all of its potentialities before people really start considering what we have to say in a big way.

01:18:46.700 Yeah. And I think we moved, you know, I would say that like we're, we're moving closer and closer towards race, you could say, because we, the, the religious right has now been exhausted.

01:18:58.280 I would say officially, I mean, they look, they got Mike Pence or whatever, but they don't, they don't have a legitimacy.

01:19:04.300 All of these, you know, 80% of evangelicals voted for a, you know, thrice divorced pro-choice womanizing pussy grabbing Manhattanite, you know, I mean, so look, they didn't elect Jerry Falwell.

01:19:21.080 They didn't elect Ted Cruz who totally spoke their language and stuff like that.

01:19:26.280 Uh, so like in a way we've seen the end of the religious right started in the late seventies, it's now over.

01:19:33.860 Um, and I, I think we might need to see the end of, of the civic nationalist right as well.

01:19:41.560 And we've just got to get, you know, we, we've got to, we've got to play this out and, but we keep getting closer to race.

01:19:49.140 I mean, that, that is where the arrow of history is pointing.

01:19:53.000 And so we just need to just, I don't know, just stay true to ourselves.

01:19:58.180 We, you know, we need to navigate this landscape where we end, but we just need to keep pushing and not get caught up in some kind of false pragmatism, you know, like, Oh, if we just, if we just articulate, you know, an anti amnesty proposal this way, we'll, we'll, you know, thread the needle and, and, and all liberals will like it or something.

01:20:19.760 Like, no, that has no, like those guys have never done all these kosher immigration reformers.

01:20:24.980 If these people have ever accomplished anything, I would maybe listen to them, but like, they don't, they have zero, they have no impact.

01:20:33.620 And we do like that, that shit Lord 1488 on Twitter has more impact than numbers USA.

01:20:41.480 Like, I'm sorry.

01:20:44.240 So no compromise.

01:20:46.400 Yeah.

01:20:46.920 Yeah.

01:20:47.520 Just be ourselves.

01:20:50.880 Become who we are.

01:20:52.520 So to speak.

01:20:56.440 Anyway, are you guys doing, I'm having a quiet New Year's Eve.

01:20:59.660 I always believe New Year's Eve is for amateurs to be honest.

01:21:02.700 Like people want to be like, like, it's like, look guys, just, I like relaxing, you know, having a nice,

01:21:11.660 nice eggnog.

01:21:12.860 I made myself a really, I'm, I've never, I don't think I've had a real true eggnog until I just made one last night for my wife and me.

01:21:21.820 And, you know, whenever I've had an eggnog, I've been at some Christmas party where it's just this big, like,

01:21:28.140 it's like this huge bowl and it's just a big dessert.

01:21:30.840 You know, it's, it's just like gross store made.

01:21:34.520 They, you know, they, they, they get like store made eggnog and like, I don't know, poor vodka in there.

01:21:39.320 So it's just awful, like sugary nonsense.

01:21:42.340 But I actually had, I made a true eggnog.

01:21:45.900 It's bourbon, brandy, some cherry liqueur, a little bit of milk to top it off.

01:21:52.020 Um, what else was in there?

01:21:54.260 Uh, shaken over ice.

01:21:56.260 I mean, it's, it's a really good cock and a, and a whole egg.

01:21:59.400 So you just put a, a, you put a raw egg into your cocktail and, uh, it's really good.

01:22:07.260 So that's what I like to do on, on New Year's Eve or Christmas.

01:22:10.480 It's like, take it easy, maybe have a little glue vine, eggnog, maybe take a little walk and

01:22:17.420 think about the future or something like that.

01:22:19.080 That's what I like.

01:22:19.960 I, I don't, these, these partying kind of things.

01:22:24.340 It's, it's for amateurs, in my opinion, we're, we're, we're all just, we're all that, that

01:22:31.020 post, well, on 30 or just post 30 stage stage now.

01:22:35.020 So we're all, we, we, we've, we've left us, that's degenerate to us now.

01:22:39.340 We're, we're, we're, we are, we are firmly past that.

01:22:42.960 Yeah.

01:22:43.060 Where you, you go into the city and do jello shots and make out with some, uh, Hispanic girl

01:22:49.820 from Queens.

01:22:50.720 Yeah.

01:22:51.420 No, we're not.

01:22:53.200 I want to hear, I want to hear more about what you did in your twenties.

01:22:55.620 No, Richard.

01:22:56.520 I didn't do that.

01:22:57.740 Exactly.

01:22:58.340 Jello shots.

01:22:59.340 Jello shots.

01:23:02.960 No, I didn't do that.

01:23:05.480 No, I, I certainly was, uh, when I was in my, more when I was in my like early twenties

01:23:09.760 or just at a college, it was like New Year's Eve.

01:23:12.880 You, you had to be crazy.

01:23:14.520 You had to go out and you had to go to some stupid bar where a bunch of horrible people

01:23:20.200 are dancing around.

01:23:21.280 I mean, I, I, you know, I, yeah, I've certainly done that, but it's just not, it's not my bag

01:23:27.400 anymore.

01:23:29.360 Um, now is not the time for partying.

01:23:34.100 Well, I don't know.

01:23:35.380 I think we should party a little bit.

01:23:37.700 Uh, we had a great year and I think the future is going to be great as well.

01:23:42.820 So I will be going to a party tonight, uh, with some fellow TRS people that I've met,

01:23:51.420 uh, through the, the pool parties.

01:23:54.060 So I'll be going there.

01:23:55.460 Also, it's actually my birthday today.

01:23:57.640 So I always celebrate every year.

01:24:00.900 Wow.

01:24:01.520 Happy birthday.

01:24:02.340 I didn't know that.

01:24:03.640 Um, that's, uh, that is fun.

01:24:06.240 So in the Midwest where I, am I doxing you by saying you're from the Midwest?

01:24:10.440 You just say the Midwest.

01:24:11.680 Yeah, that's fine.

01:24:12.820 So there, you, that's interesting that you have, like, there's a, this is also a really

01:24:19.160 important development that we have, like these kinds of communities that exist now.

01:24:22.820 That's great.

01:24:25.140 Well, I will, I will be closer to Spencer tier in terms of, uh, you know, pausing and reflecting

01:24:33.960 and sitting with my wife, uh, get the, get the kids to bed and reflect on a good year.

01:24:39.340 And some interesting new developments for me too, obviously with editing radix and what

01:24:45.480 have you.

01:24:45.880 Yeah.

01:24:46.320 So, uh, I will be, uh, I will be making, uh, plans and also reflecting on the year that

01:24:52.520 was and enjoying myself.

01:24:56.580 That is, uh, that is definitely awesome.

01:24:58.820 Uh, there will be some partying.

01:25:00.580 I, I'm, I'll be back on the East coast, um, in, uh, in probably early to mid January.

01:25:06.920 And, uh, though I will not be attending the deplorable, uh, let's just say that there's

01:25:12.420 some other things going on.

01:25:13.640 So, um, yes, some toast will be made.

01:25:17.800 Some hails will be, some, some, we'll, we'll be hailing many things.

01:25:22.780 Yes.

01:25:23.980 Um, but, uh, anyway, yeah, we'll put a bookmark in it.

01:25:30.600 Uh, yeah.

01:25:31.100 I mean, I'll, I'll also make this announcement.

01:25:33.120 I mean, we're, um, well, we're basically kind of, we're thinking about making this a

01:25:37.700 regular thing where we have a, uh, we have a podcast with, um, with Andrew and Charles

01:25:45.000 and we talk about the week.

01:25:47.800 Um, and we, uh, yeah, I, I think it's, I think people like this, I'll probably still

01:25:52.900 do, um, my pod, my podcast style where I'll, you know, invite probably one person on and

01:25:59.080 we'll talk about an issue or something.

01:26:01.280 Uh, and I definitely want to do some more, you know, movie pop culture podcasts and all

01:26:06.360 that kind of stuff.

01:26:06.920 But, um, yeah, we're going to try to do this.

01:26:10.180 Um, I, if it goes well and I think it will, but, uh, I think it will be good just to have,

01:26:15.600 you know, if we can crank out 50 of these or so and, uh, and just, uh, converse about

01:26:20.840 what's happened every week.

01:26:22.220 I think that would be a great thing.

01:26:24.180 So, uh, onwards and upwards.

01:26:27.800 Talk to you guys soon.

01:26:30.100 All right, Richard.

01:26:30.940 Been a pleasure.

01:26:32.480 Awesome.

01:26:32.780 Have a good one, guys.

RadixJournal - January 01, 2017

A Current Year to Remember—2016 Edition

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