A Podcast From a Budapest Jail
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1 hour and 20 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of the podcast, we are joined by a man who is currently serving a life sentence in a maximum security prison in Hungary. We talk about his experience in prison, and what it's like to be in prison.
Transcript
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I've just made a papier-mâché mask of my head, and I put it on the pillow.
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And I think we've got about an hour to do a podcast before I'm taken back to my cell.
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Okay, so I have a question for you to start off.
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I've always wanted to know, a friend of mine, I rode with a gang member in a truck a few years ago,
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and he told me that once you've tasted toilet wine, you really develop a taste for it,
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And, I mean, once you're out of the house, you really never leave.
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I mean, you demand that your friends and loved ones scream at you and beat you with clubs.
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No, I mean, look, I have the Aryan Brotherhood tattoos to prove it.
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No, I, as we might have confused some listeners, just in case you didn't know, I was a, the Hungarian
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government insisted that I be their guest for a weekend.
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And it was, that is to say, I was in a Hungarian detention center slash prison for a weekend because
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of essentially of a thought crime of attempting to host a conference in Budapest.
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And we're going to talk about it on the podcast.
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But I would say, you know, I don't want to diminish the legend that is growing about this issue.
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But prison was not the worst thing in the world.
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It was nothing like something you might see on, you know, cable news after 11 p.m.
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I was, I've heard all the, like, you know, if you ever get stood in prison, the first thing
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you should do is just like, just go kill someone.
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Because then, then the rest of the prisoners know like, oh, better not fuck with that guy.
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So, so, you know, you had to cut someone's head off.
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It was basically where I was, was kind of like a halfway house.
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It was, it was for people who were well-behaved and nonviolent and who were getting ready to
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So, you know, I, I, when I was first sent down that hall, I did have a little bit of
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And I was thinking like, you know, just, you know, look straight ahead, be tough and
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But it was basically just a bunch of Vietnamese guys in pajamas.
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So, no, I mean, again, it, it was an interesting experience.
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And, and, and, you know, it's, it was prison, you know, after all, you don't have freedom.
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You, you know, I was not allowed to take a book and with me, I certainly not allowed to
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I mean, your, your freedom is taken away, uh, um, really terrible food.
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Well, there was an email terminal, so I could have just gone, gone, gone and looked at Facebook.
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But no, that, that is, they deprive you of social networking.
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Actually, I think a lot of modern Americans, God, if you took their Facebook away, you
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They might just, uh, they would, they would just go mad.
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But, uh, no, I mean, and the other thing, I, I would say this, um, you really, you know,
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when, when you, when you have your freedom taken away like that, um, you know, even in a
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fairly civilized manner, like, like mine was taken away, uh, you do really
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I mean, um, there, there was someone whose name I won't mention just because, um, uh,
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because he, uh, you know, wants to have a life outside, outside of our, our movement.
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But, uh, you know, he came and visited me and, uh, and, and brought me some important
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And you do realize, you know, when you rely on someone else and they actually come through,
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You know, I, it's, it's hard to actually, uh, it's hard to articulate, uh, what it's
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You know, it's, it really is like being caught in quicksand and someone actually throws you
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a rope or, you know, gives you a water in a desert.
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And, uh, you know, and the fact that, I know, I don't want to get all sappy here, uh, but,
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you know, the fact that, for instance, I was, uh, I was actually arrested on a Friday
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night and I was essentially just kept up all night, um, in various Hungarian bureaucratic
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And, uh, and then I never even got to, I, I was finally put into the detention center
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Um, I'd, I probably had nodded off at some point, but you know, it was, it was pretty
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And, um, just the fact that Jared, Jared Taylor and some other people, the fact that they just
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stepped into my leadership position and they basically decide, and I'm sure they, they went
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through a thought process of like, should we go on?
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But they basically decided of, you know, yeah, let's fucking do this.
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You know, you know, we, we've lost a man, but like, let's keep pushing forward.
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Again, the fact that they still did the conference, that was also very moving.
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Um, because when I heard the next day that the conference had taken place and that people
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had really had a good time, uh, I was, you know, again, you really do feel, you, you realize
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that you've got friends out there and that is a, uh, that is a very meaningful feeling.
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And, um, so, uh, anyway, no more, no more sappiness for me, but, uh, I, I, I'm trying
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to remember the exact words to the number from the, that South Park movie about, you know,
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the, though we may die, the revolution lives on.
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Um, anyway, I think, you know, uh, people may have heard about that, but I think maybe
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we should start a little bit, uh, back further, uh, going into the conference and
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I mean, um, well, how did you, first of all, why, why Budapest, why Hungary?
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Well, we just thought that we, we would be welcomed with open arms, uh, but sadly we literally
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Uh, we, we, we were just very, very wrong in our estimation of what would happen.
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Um, and, um, and I'll, I'll just go back a little bit, uh, basically my, uh, my colleague
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and friend, um, mentor, Bill, William Regnery, um, he has had an idea about something like
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a European Congress for a number of years and he, he's wanted to have it.
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He's like, you know, we need to, you know, it's, it's, it's not happening on its own.
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We need, we need a place, a forum where you're a lot of Europeans and Americans can kind of
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come together, we'll use English as a lingua franca, which is, of course, it's very, that
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is very convenient for an American to say, uh, but actually English really is the lingua
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It's a way for Europeans to communicate with themselves and, um, and we want to do that.
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We want to really talk about European unity and not just the right wing within a particular
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country and that it would also be an intellectual group and not a, uh, you know, not based around
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We're thinking, where could we do this, where it would actually work, where we would not
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I mean, we, we were, uh, we were a little bit wrong.
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We thought that basically, um, from what we had heard, the, the anti-fascist left or so,
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so-called were not as prevalent, not as violent as they are in other places.
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Um, we thought that amongst the general population that probably due to the language difference
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that there would be a lot of, uh, ignorance or apathy.
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They, they would be like, oh, there's some weird Americans coming over.
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And, uh, and then also we thought that we would really have some allies.
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Uh, well, John Morgan of Arctos is, is set up there, isn't he?
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They have their offices and they were doing fine.
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I mean, the, the, I guess the, the real difference is that they are a publishing firm and when
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you have an event, just by its very nature, the fact that it is public, it's, there's a
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countdown, you know, it takes place on a certain day, so on and so forth.
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So that, that was actually one of the ideas of, hey, we, we've got, you know, I'm, I've
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Um, you know, let's, let's, you know, let's work with these guys.
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And we also thought that the right, um, in Hungary would be interested in working with
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And at first they were, but as you can see, as I've just laid it out, we were basically
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wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong on our assessment.
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Uh, the government reacted, they overreacted in a, uh, in my opinion, very stupid manner,
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Um, believe it or not, this conference was making headlines in Budapest.
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Um, but it became a topic of discussion and a controversy.
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Um, actually on, um, on, uh, Thursday, I actually, when I was, after I had snuck into the country
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I flew into a Schengen country and entered Hungary by a train.
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And, uh, but I was there, I actually gave a interview to the major liberal paper, who
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actually were very fair, and they, they supported the notion of free speech, and they, uh, they
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disagreed with Orban's, um, you know, claims that we should not be allowed to speak.
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And, um, but anyway, it, it became a major controversy in Budapest, and, uh, it was, it was something
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people were talking about and having opinions on.
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And, and also the, uh, quite frankly, you know, we, we had made inroads with Jobbik.
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They were, there was talk of them helping us, you know, find venues and things like that.
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Uh, really felt like we, uh, got thrown under the bus a little bit by those guys.
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That it was kind of like, oh, we didn't know that this was racist or something.
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It was, it was pretty, um, not very plausible lie on their part.
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I, I should also mention, I think the, uh, the fact that we invited Alexander Dugan to
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speak, um, also just created a lot of controversy.
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And I, I understand that because of the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine.
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Um, but, uh, that also seemed to rile people up.
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So, anyway, we created a lot more controversy, certainly, than we desired.
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Um, we really did want this to be an intellectual group, a kind of, you know, what would be a little
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bit of a vacation for people, you know, come visit Budapest, let's talk, let's see how the,
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all these different forces within European and American, really worldwide European traditionalism,
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And instead it became, uh, it became kind of, we got to live the life of a revolutionary,
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Well, and then you got to, I mean, really, I mean, you've demonstrated how under the boot
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they are, you know, I mean, how necessary that kind of movement is and how, how freedom
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is waning everywhere for anyone who wants to speak, uh, about anything that makes sense,
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you know, uh, anything that would counter the kind of globalist regime, uh, you know,
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they're all afraid they all want to be in the EU or whatever, uh, you know, and, uh, you
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Yeah, no, I, I think this was an interesting test and I'm, and I'm very glad we did it.
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And I'm very glad we suffered the consequences.
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I, I think it was, it was worth it again, you know, we, we're not living in, um, the, the
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hungry Bella Kuhn where, you know, if I, if I had done this, I would have been taken out
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and shot and my body would have been floating in the Danube.
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I mean, maybe we'll reach that point, but you know, at least for the foreseeable future,
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the, the, the state is not going to do that to a dissident.
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So, you know, we, there's a limit to the rest, but we're, we're definitely willing to take
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If you think about the, the political aspect of it, because, um, uh, Victor Orban really,
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if you, if you ask a lot of liberals in Europe, the United States, he basically is a fascist.
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At the same time, he, he actually, you know, Hungary has better relations with Russia than
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But then at the same time, they want to be part of the European Union and get advantages
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Um, actually shortly before we came, they had just received a massive loan or handout or
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So, you know, I, I think Hungary is kind of playing a lot of games and, and different
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games and, and kind of mutually contradictory games.
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And I think in a way, Victor Orban saw this as, oh, these, this, this Russian, this Russian
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lunatic and a bunch of crazy American racists, they're all coming to Hungary and now they're
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going to associate Hungary with Russianism and racism and, uh, and fascism or whatever.
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So I've, I've just got to nip this in the bud and stop them.
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And by doing that, he of course looks like a fascist.
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So of course, yeah, the caricature of a fascist at least.
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It would, it would have been better to simply ignore us and, or make some vague free speech,
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Uh, but you know, he didn't and I think he, he does look very bad and, um, you know, it
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I, uh, you know, at many points I did fear that, you know, what's going to happen is, is,
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are they just going to arrest everyone or are they going to brutalize someone?
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I, I knew that that, that is a risk, but you know, I kind of thought, look, there, there,
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I mean, there, there are risks when you get in a car and drive down the highway and you
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just have to think, you know, is that, is that, is that, is this a reasonable risk that
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Um, you know, and is the, is the potential reward really there?
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Um, and I thought the potential reward of standing up to these people of saying, this
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This is a conference that Hungarians are more than welcome, you know, to come and take
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We are, we had Hungarians register, uh, these are important ideas.
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Um, you know, I just felt that it was well worth the effort.
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Uh, let me talk a little bit about Friday night and you can ask some questions and, um,
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and, and, you know, the, just so our, our audience can kind of get a, get an idea of
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Cause not everyone's going to have, uh, followed this, uh, you know, as it developed.
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But, uh, yeah, let's, uh, I mean, as far as, uh, basically, you know, the,
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I mean, he made, he made the announcement, uh, that the conference was banned or whatever.
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And then what did you, what was the thought process?
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Well, um, it was, it was kind of me, you know, um, the other co-sponsors were away and I had
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made it clear to them, um, that I, I just, I said, we're going through with this.
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And, you know, when, when all of these things came out, I, I went, I went on a emotional
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rollercoaster from exuberance to depression to outright defiance and the exuberance stage
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of things occurred actually before we started getting some of these official statements by
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the government, because I was exuberant because I thought that we had really had a good model
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and the response to the conference was fantastic.
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I mean, we, we would have had easily 200 people attend this conference.
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And when, when I first, uh, when we first got going with, with organizing it, I told people,
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I was like, look, we might have 50 people at this conference.
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Like, this might be a really small get together.
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You know, we're going to talk about what we want to do next and so on and so forth.
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I mean, we, we had, we had a ton of people pre-register.
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Uh, a lot of people said they're coming, you know, I'll buy a ticket when I'm there.
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So we, it would have been a really great event and it would have been a real sustainable event.
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You know, we wouldn't be losing all this money.
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We would, we would, we'd be making a little money.
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So we'd say like, okay, this, this, we can build some funds for the society's future.
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You know, we can, I don't know, publish a book, you have, have more conferences, whatever.
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So I was very, I was, I was euphoric about where we were.
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Then when we got the interior, basically it went in a stage.
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There was, there was some minor ministry, like the ministry of trade and something like this.
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They denounced it and they used very strong language.
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They said, this is unacceptable, so on and so forth.
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And I wrote a very polite press release saying, this is lost in, this is lost in translation.
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You know, we're not, we're not who you think we are.
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Then, you know, the goddamn prime minister, you know, banned it.
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And, uh, I, I was, I, I was getting a little depressed.
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And, you know, I, I, that depression hardened into defiance.
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This, this is, this is a, this is a fascinating conference.
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We're going to talk about a lot of different, you know, important ideas and ideals.
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Uh, we have foreign guests all, you know, descending upon this one place.
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Um, you know, I told people we're going to do it.
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You know, I, once you start backing down, you never stop backing down.
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You know, once you start canceling, once you start, it never ends.
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Um, you know, if anyone's, if anyone's been in a relationship, you know, they know this.
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You know, uh, or, or, you know, I, I shouldn't say that to me, you know, but you know what
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And you know, what also, you know, when like a, when someone apologizes when they're in the
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right, but they kind of apologize, they never stop apologizing.
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Every time, every time somebody does it in the media, I mean, you see that, uh, every time
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someone has a, you know, says something mean in Playboy magazine, which seems to be where
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they always do it, uh, then they, then they have to, you know, then someone reminds them
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who pays them and then they have to apologize and they keep apologizing and they're never
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And that's an important thing to remember is that you can apologize all you want, but
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they're, they're going to bring that up for the rest of your life.
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So, you know, it's almost no point in even apologizing when you get out of it.
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I think what it is, it's like a boxer, like, oh, look, they've got a big cut above their
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No, it's like, ah, let's start, start hammering this guy.
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So, you know, again, if you look, if you are morally in the wrong, or if you make a mistake,
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But in our case, I was just kind of like, ah, ah, I don't give a fuck.
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Um, we, we are gonna, we are gonna work very hard to protect the safety of those people
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And, uh, so I was quite defiant and I, I put together a little video and, you know, even
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though I was polite, I think people could tell that I was, uh, certainly challenging the
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And I said, no, look, you, you know, this is, we are doing something highly legitimate.
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Um, so, um, and anyway, so that was basically the time.
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Um, I had a, a very long trip into Budapest and, um, uh, while we were, while I was doing
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that, I was working with some, uh, colleagues on the ground.
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Um, we actually had Hungarian helping us and so on and so forth.
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And just to kind of secure an alternative venue and to make sure that no one knew about it.
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So, uh, I think there were three people alive that knew that we had an alternative venue.
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And, um, I would say to people who, who do similar things like that, that is a good system.
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The, the fewer people who know about it, the better.
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Then on Friday, um, I got a lot of, I could just feel the excitement in the air.
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And I think it was because of the fact that we were, you know, revolutionaries, you know, against, this is against the law.
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Uh, and so I could, I was getting all these emails of like, oh, we've got to meet up.
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So I, I picked one that was fairly conveniently located.
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And I sent out a blast, email blast to people who had said that they were coming.
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And, um, it, and I have to say, before, before my, um, unfortunate arrest, uh, the, the whole atmosphere in that pub was, was truly amazing.
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Uh, I think there, there might've been just, uh, one woman I, I remember who, who came.
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And it was generally, you know, we were going out to a pub, uh, you know, it was younger guys, you know, with some exceptions, some older guys who were there too.
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But it was, it was basically a bunch of young guys from all over Europe.
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Um, I can remember there's some people from, they're Flemish, uh, Canadians, uh, German, some Brits, some Englishmen, like an Irish person.
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I mean, it, it was just, it was really diverse, but it was, it was this weird thing where you could just start talking to someone and you feel like you've known them for a long time.
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Like we, we, we were just, everyone was just on the same page in this way that we were just old friends immediately.
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You know, we, we were, we're using the same language, using the same terminology, talking, we had the same concerns.
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It was just a very lively atmosphere and, um, fantastic.
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And then the, the police came and, uh, so I was actually speaking with a, a journalist, uh, and, and then he, he looked up and he was like, oh my gosh.
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And I looked behind me and there were about three policemen and, um, I would say that, you know, there's, there's that, uh, what is it, fight or flight mechanism.
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My, my, my first instinct was let's just all get out of here.
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So I, I, I was kind of telling some people like, okay, let's just, guys, let's all go, let's scatter.
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Like just everyone walk, you know, that, that was my first instinct.
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But actually they were not allowing us to leave the pub.
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And when I looked outside, I don't even know how many police officers there are, at least a dozen.
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And then there were these non, non-uniformed police officers, uh, kind of directing them.
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And, uh, I actually had left my passport at my hotel, but I did have an ID on me.
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And, um, my, my first strategy, as it were, was to play dumb.
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Um, and so I, I, I hoped that, that basically these people would go away.
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So I was telling him, I was like, oh, I'm just a tourist.
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I, I'll help, I, you should arrest those people.
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And, uh, so, I, you know, and it was interesting, I should mention this, um, the, the police officers, as I would learn later, the police officers had no idea what was actually going on.
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They were basically told, someone was directing them to go and, and apprehend people and get their name, and so on and so forth.
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But they actually didn't know what was going on.
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And, uh, but the un-uniformed, um, directors, who I guess were their, you know, I don't know, lieutenants or whatever the, the title is in Hungary.
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It's this big, large woman, blonde woman named Heidi, who was, who had a megaphone, who was screaming orders in English.
00:27:28.460
Uh, but, uh, so, I, I basically, this, this went on for a long time.
00:27:34.820
I don't even know, because I, I basically just lost track of time.
00:27:40.000
And after a while, I went up to one of the un-uniformed officers, and, uh, and I said, look, uh, let me just level with you.
00:27:48.600
And he actually, he understood English on a fairly decent level, and so I spoke very simply to him.
00:27:53.900
And I said, look, I am the one you're looking for, and can I turn myself in, and you let everyone go?
00:28:03.300
And he was like, no, no, no, I don't make deals, uh, but, you know, turn yourself in.
00:28:08.380
And so I basically thought, like, this is the best strategy.
00:28:14.320
It, it would be much, you know, there's a chance that they would just take me in and let everyone else go.
00:28:19.320
Because the, the idea that I would get 25 people arrested in a foreign country was, you know, it was weighing on me.
00:28:27.420
And so I was thinking, like, look, and I did it, and it actually worked, um, with, uh, with, with one exception.
00:28:34.200
Someone else who also suffered a little bit, uh, but he was a very tough guy.
00:28:38.420
He was very, a good sport about it, uh, tougher than me in a way.
00:28:41.800
But, um, but anyway, once I turned myself in, everyone was let go.
00:28:46.000
So all of the people who were there were able to go to the conference the next day.
00:28:54.900
Um, I was basically driven, driven around and, um, with these cops.
00:29:02.160
I was always surrounded by a detail of these, these policemen.
00:29:09.720
I, I, I remember, uh, when, when it first started happening, I, I, I told, and, and it was clear that I was, you know, I was never arrested until a lot long later.
00:29:25.340
Um, you know, I was apprehended, not, never told why I was apprehended and never told, uh, you know, what a charge might be or anything like that.
00:29:41.060
I'm not good at being a, uh, an annoying victim asshole.
00:29:47.400
Well, and also, you know, who knows what the fucking law is in that country anyway.
00:30:00.060
Uh, yeah, but, you know, uh, I, I remember telling one of them, I was like, look, uh, and, and he was one, cause he actually spoke English really well.
00:30:09.560
And again, you can, when you, you can speak in a really dumbed down kind of English and communicate with people.
00:30:15.240
And I, and I, I told one of them, I was like, look, I'm not going to fight you.
00:30:19.800
Uh, and basically what I was doing, I hope this, I hope I don't sound like a wimp.
00:30:23.780
I was basically kind of telling them like, look, you guys don't need to, uh, you know, uh, beat me up or, uh, club me.
00:30:35.300
But I, I actually didn't need to do that because as I was saying, the police officers were just, you know, they were kind of like a bunch of 20 year olds, uh, just doing a job.
00:30:48.120
Like, I don't think they had the passion to, uh, to go beat up dissidents.
00:30:54.340
You know, I, I just, they, they would rather like, you know, they would just rather the whole night be over with and they could, you know, go back and drink beer or their girlfriend or whatever.
00:31:05.400
They, they just were not, they were not very passionate about their job.
00:31:08.960
And I'm sure they were a little bit confused of, you know, why are we arresting this man, uh, who doesn't seem to be much of a threat?
00:31:15.880
A bunch of them didn't even know what, who they were, you know, they didn't.
00:31:19.600
You said they didn't even know what they were doing.
00:31:22.760
No, I, I thought that it was funny cause I was, there was another person who was with me, um, for, for a little bit.
00:31:30.700
Um, but he, he was kind of playing this, I, he was playing the card of like, look, uh, you know, if, in 1956, if we were alive, we would have crossed the ocean to help you.
00:31:45.380
He, he was in a way, I think, trying to appeal to, you know, intellectually appeal to them saying like, why are you doing this?
00:31:52.020
You, you know, you're, you're acting like a, like a caricature of a communist.
00:31:57.620
But as it turned out, I think all of those words were wasted because the, the, the, the cops, the young cops just had no earthly idea what was going on.
00:32:08.220
It was actually probably around five in the morning when I was, again, never, not quite arrested and, never arrested and not told why.
00:32:17.080
Um, one of the guys was looking, was he, they had seen my paperwork and they were looking this up on the iPhone, on his cell phone, you know, smartphone.
00:32:27.620
And he, he, he read the interview that I gave, um, uh, you know, at the end, uh, with this liberal paper.
00:32:36.180
And he was kind of like, oh, you know, this is whom we're arresting.
00:32:40.980
And, uh, and then they started joking around, uh, you know, obviously in, in Hungary and, you know, uh, various, uh, uh, Roman salutes were given and.
00:32:54.500
And jokes about gypsies, which I didn't quite get, but, you know, basically what I'm saying is, you know, the cops, I wish they hadn't arrested me, but, you know, they, they were just a bunch of kids basically.
00:33:08.960
Uh, you know, not, they didn't have any malintent and they, they never, uh, they, they certainly never abused me.
00:33:16.180
So anyway, um, uh, you know, this, this went on and, um, uh, it, it was effectively, I was shuttled between bureaucracies for hours on end.
00:33:28.720
I was given a lot of paperwork that I was first refusing to sign because I did not know what it was, but after a while I was like, okay, I'll just sign it.
00:33:39.060
I was given a lot of paperwork, all of it in Magyar in Hungarian, uh, which is, of course, uh, it, it gave it, as I, as I wrote to a certain journalist, it gave it this Kafka-esque quality.
00:33:51.640
I was being shuttled between various bureaucracies and given paperwork in a language that was totally incomprehensible.
00:34:00.440
And it, it did feel a little bit like I was in, um, uh, you know, some Kafka story or a, or, or a horrible, you know, uh, dystopian movie.
00:34:11.600
What you don't realize is that you actually signed a confession.
00:34:14.140
You are actually personally responsible for the Holocaust.
00:34:18.840
They've been looking for you for a very long time, sir.
00:34:24.000
I, I'll, I'll have to call my lawyer friend to get me out of that one.
00:34:30.920
Um, but you know, it w it was, it was interesting.
00:34:33.900
I, you know, the, the cops who were the, uh, who were, they're kind of kids.
00:34:40.080
I think they were just kind of joking around and, um, and you know, it was interesting.
00:34:44.440
I won't mention these people because I don't, I don't want to, you know, jeopardize their employment.
00:34:51.640
But, um, a number of people whom I encountered within the, you know, uh, penal and, uh, bureaucratic
00:35:00.100
and immigration system of Hungary, um, they, they expressed to me their sympathy.
00:35:06.140
And, you know, that doesn't mean that they agree with me or they're, they wanted to go listen
00:35:11.040
to an Alexander Dugan lecture or a Jared Taylor lecture, but I, they, they did express their
00:35:16.260
sympathy of, of kind of, you know, effectively what the fuck, you know, why are we arresting
00:35:21.920
Um, and so that, that was actually quite heartening.
00:35:26.520
But, so anyway, I, uh, the night went on and, um, of, it was just endless and, uh, I, I was
00:35:36.020
finally, uh, sent to this, uh, you know, lower security, you know, uh, outpatient, so to
00:35:45.940
And, um, and so I, I finally got to sleep, you know, I, I, again, I probably nodded off
00:35:53.900
a few times, but, uh, it, it was, uh, it was pretty, uh, a lot of, a lot of sleep deprivation.
00:36:00.200
It was, it was pretty, uh, um, I don't know if anyone's ever suffered that, but it's, uh,
00:36:05.160
not fun to do a good 36 hours or something without sleep, but you weren't waterboarded
00:36:12.260
So we're, we're, uh, I, I can't talk about what was done.
00:36:23.780
I don't know what they would have gotten out of me.
00:36:35.160
I was behind the, uh, Soviet crackdown in 1956 or something.
00:36:40.760
Uh, but anyway, yeah, no, there was nothing to confess.
00:36:45.680
And, and I was finally arrested and, you know, cuffed and all that kind of stuff.
00:36:52.900
They didn't cuff you until they'd been driving around with you for hours and hours.
00:36:58.360
It was, it was just very strange because remember cuffing really is an arrest and I was never
00:37:06.560
I, I think you can actually capture the police in the United States.
00:37:10.380
The police can capture someone for a period of time.
00:37:14.700
Uh, I can't imagine it's the 12 hours or however long I was captured.
00:37:20.160
Um, but yes, I was, I was finally arrested and, uh, and then finally, you know, imprisoned.
00:37:28.240
And, um, uh, you know, anyway, it, it just, you know, the prison again, not that bad.
00:37:40.420
I, um, just to give a little bit of, you know, kind of almost color.
00:37:44.640
Uh, when I was there the first morning, uh, there, you know, a lot of, a lot of foreign
00:37:50.760
people, you know, in this little place and they, I was just, you know, I was probably like
00:37:55.460
the last one to get into the, the little kitchen mess hall thing and they were all eating cheese
00:38:02.580
And I was like, Oh wow, this looks pretty good.
00:38:05.540
So I go up and this woman hands me this plastic plate that looks like has a big pile of cat
00:38:22.900
So they're like, Oh, they've, they've been here longer.
00:38:30.440
So anyway, I think it was some kind of pate, like.
00:38:44.220
It was this just people pate is what you're telling me.
00:39:05.380
It was just a, no, it was, I, I, no, that looked like the most horrible food I've ever
00:39:16.960
And so, you know, they had plenty of bread there.
00:39:19.940
I just had some bread, some, they give us this, you know, tea.
00:39:25.000
And, you know, again, I, I, I knew that I was going to get out of there.
00:39:32.540
They, you know, they, they want to get me, they want to send Richard Spencer on his way.
00:39:39.540
So to be honest, at some point you just start laughing about stuff.
00:39:44.660
It was actually when I was in the immigration office, when I was finally told what, what
00:39:49.960
And they said, there's been a travel ban, so on and so forth.
00:39:53.300
They asked me whether I knew people like, you know, all this kind of stuff.
00:39:57.100
And they said that the prime minister has declared you a national security threat.
00:40:08.760
It was just, it was so almost like obviously Orwellian.
00:40:12.800
You know, it was, I was expecting next, like, you know, one plus one equals three or something.
00:40:17.900
It was just so, it was, it was truly ridiculous.
00:40:25.780
So anyway, what, what other questions I was, what, what other questions do you have in
00:40:35.300
No, I, I did a little bit in juvenile hall for like a weekend or a week or something like
00:40:45.220
So you're, you're a complete wimp is what you're saying, basically.
00:40:50.200
So that's, that's, you know, if you haven't been to prison, you don't even know what's
00:40:54.680
That's, you know, that's, so, uh, yeah, no, I, I, I have managed to avoid prison thus
00:41:06.800
Up in Portland, it's probably fairly genteel, but, uh, or I don't know.
00:41:12.740
I think from what I, what I understand, I've actually made some deliveries to prisons
00:41:16.700
and, and, and delivered them some nice new exercise equipment, uh, back in the day when
00:41:22.340
So I, I've got to hang out with, you know, they seemed, they seemed pretty cool.
00:41:26.460
Uh, you know, I mean, Oregon, you know, Oregon is, is a pretty white state.
00:41:30.040
So, you know, it was basically just a bunch of white dudes hanging out, but it was, I would
00:41:38.440
So, I mean, that's, uh, uh, uh, you know, that's, uh, not too bad for me.
00:41:43.960
I quickly tattooed a swastika on my forehead just so I, I would fit in.
00:41:49.200
I look forward to seeing all the photos of that.
00:41:51.540
Uh, I'm sure they'll be featured in your next salon magazine interview.
00:42:08.820
Just a bad and a, just a Patagonia fleece sweater.
00:42:21.840
Richard's really got on, gone off the deep end this time.
00:42:25.880
You know, like they're looking for a new aesthetic.
00:42:28.600
I mean, it has to be, yeah, like what's going to follow hipsterism?
00:42:36.480
Well, you know, prison, uh, we're on a real tangent here.
00:42:39.480
Prison starts more styles than you might think, you know?
00:42:43.240
I mean, the, the pants falling down thing that we, yeah.
00:42:47.420
You probably have like a Reagan era drug laws or whatever to, to, to thank for that.
00:42:57.060
I'm sure many sexual practices have been developed, uh, in, in, behind bars as well.
00:43:08.280
Uh, but any, anyway, uh, yeah, no, the, my, again, the, the people there, there was, um,
00:43:16.120
some Asians, uh, who claimed, uh, it was one Vietnamese guy who, uh, been there months,
00:43:21.880
uh, he, uh, he said that he was just a delivery man.
00:43:28.100
Uh, he said he was just a delivery man who, um, was driving a, a, a truck across the border
00:43:33.980
and, you know, lo and behold, there was a hundred kilos of cocaine or something.
00:43:39.720
Um, uh, but he had actually served his time and, uh, was, you know, about to get out.
00:43:47.560
Again, I would, they didn't put me in some, they didn't put me in a dungeon or anything.
00:43:51.780
It was people who would, were totally nonviolent and, uh, were expecting to get out.
00:44:03.840
Uh, it's definitely not what I would have expected.
00:44:05.880
He, he said he actually lived in, um, outside Bratislava or something.
00:44:12.140
This is the 2014 Vietnamese are in, you know, Slovakia.
00:44:21.120
It's still to this day blows my mind that there are Chinese Mexicans.
00:44:27.640
Well, I mean, I mean, if you think about it, I mean, it's like, like you said, obviously
00:44:30.580
you go to Budapest and there's Vietnamese guys.
00:44:32.480
I mean, obviously there are Chinese people in Mexico that are Chinese Mexicans.
00:44:40.580
So, so the Mexicans coming off our border could be Chinese.
00:44:43.980
Uh, you know, I mean, it's just kind of funny cause you never would expect that cause you
00:44:47.740
just think of Mexicans as being one group of people, but, uh, like everywhere else, everywhere
00:44:52.760
else is kind of, uh, you know, a globalized in the way that we are.
00:44:58.100
So, yeah, no, it's, um, we're going to have to kind of shake it up and put it all back together
00:45:05.460
But, um, it's going to be a lot of work, but anyway, um, it's, uh, you know, I, I don't
00:45:14.400
I, I, I certainly, I'm very happy that, um, in a way the, the organizers paid the price.
00:45:26.200
He, he actually was put into a, uh, somewhat of a nicer place than I was, but just for a
00:45:31.440
night, he, he was flying in, um, you know, effectively the police had gotten a hold of
00:45:37.500
I, I would, I would assume through, through the hotel.
00:45:43.340
I don't even know where to start, but the, the police basically discovered where the venues
00:45:47.140
were and they went to the venues and shook them down.
00:45:49.700
They made them cancel and they took information from them.
00:45:54.060
So they learned when Bill was going to arrive and they apprehended him, put him in a, a kind
00:46:00.900
of cell and then, uh, send him out the next morning.
00:46:04.240
And, um, you know, again, uh, I don't even know exactly how they discovered where we were
00:46:11.140
Um, you know, a lot of different possibilities.
00:46:14.540
I don't know if they were surveilling us in some way.
00:46:18.200
I don't know if they might've registered for the conference and continue to play along
00:46:22.880
like saying, oh, I'm going to come and so on and so forth.
00:46:25.940
Um, there's sadly the possibility that someone might be, uh, you know, an, uh, an enemy kind
00:46:32.640
of within someone who, uh, you know, was registering for the conference and giving information out
00:46:40.780
There are a lot of different possibilities, uh, but, you know, clearly they, they really
00:46:46.700
took this seriously and they wanted to, uh, they did not want us to, um, uh, to do this.
00:46:53.180
Uh, they took it a lot more seriously than I thought they, they would.
00:46:56.340
I, I, I knew that there was the risk of this, but I, I certainly never thought that they would
00:47:02.180
be this, uh, vigilant, you know, almost, you know, secret police link in, in trying to find
00:47:14.800
I was willing to, I was very willing to, you know, take this risk.
00:47:24.380
Um, I would have, I would have truly felt terrible if, you know, many others and, um, you know,
00:47:33.480
I've, I've, you use your own name when you write.
00:47:38.120
I use my own name unless something I write is bad and then I put someone else's name.
00:47:45.380
Which is a kind of cowardliness, which is a kind of cowardliness in its, in a way.
00:47:52.460
Uh, but, um, you know, you, you, once you, once you do this and you decide that you're
00:47:59.260
serious about it, you do, you do have to, you know, there, there, there, there's going
00:48:10.220
And I'm not, I'm not trying to say like anyone who uses a pseudonym is a wimp or whatever.
00:48:17.480
And I, and I think that, you know, people should, um, should, should really, before they
00:48:23.320
jump into something like this, they should think very long and hard about it and understand
00:48:29.960
I mean, I, in a way, this is a good, this whole episode was illustrative of that in the
00:48:34.480
sense that, um, we're at a point where we might get arrested.
00:48:38.960
Well, and I think that's a big takeaway from this and, and that's what, uh, the Hungarian
00:48:46.700
government really, I mean, as you mentioned, I mean, they, you know, are really no better
00:48:53.240
than anyone else, um, and were no more just or even probably more fascistic than, than other
00:48:59.400
people in the, in the vulgar way of using that word.
00:49:02.420
But, uh, you know, they really demonstrated how hypocritical the West has become in terms
00:49:16.660
Um, you know, and it's how, how the Western values that they claim to be defending and trying
00:49:25.220
to spread throughout the world to places like, you know, Afghanistan and so forth are how degraded
00:49:31.120
they are internally and how, and how, uh, they cannot stand up to criticism and they can,
00:49:37.440
you know, in kind of a marketplace of ideas, um, you know, they're afraid of people, you
00:49:44.940
know, who would say something that people might actually agree with.
00:49:48.220
You know, that they, something that could be seen as sensible.
00:49:51.400
I mean, obviously, you know, we read all these stories all the time about, uh, Europe and,
00:49:56.220
you know, women getting raped by Muslims and, and everyone, but no one can say anything
00:50:02.320
And you have this kind of under, undercurrent of people who are angry about those kinds of
00:50:08.380
issues and they know that they can't speak up and the penalties in America, they're just
00:50:17.640
Uh, but, uh, clearly in Europe, I mean, you couldn't not, you really can't call it any kind
00:50:24.720
Um, and I think that they've exposed themselves as, as, you know, as you said, kind of the
00:50:29.680
Hungarian government is really just kind of probably sucking up to somebody else.
00:50:33.620
Um, you know, so they're kind of exposing themselves as being kind of tools and, uh, you
00:50:39.820
know, I mean, it kind of shows the state that it kind of, I think, gives all these issues
00:50:45.640
more weight, um, and saying that, you know, they're not just, you know, you get accused
00:50:50.800
of whining, you know, your privilege, whining about your privilege, like, uh, your white
00:50:58.100
Except for whenever I talk about being white, I go to jail, you know, I mean, it kind of gives
00:51:03.100
weight to the, it's something that could have been seen as whining before is now like,
00:51:07.740
could be seen as legitimate, you know, the start of legitimate oppression.
00:51:13.160
I, I think you might've even been on the podcast.
00:51:15.680
It was like a New Year's Eve podcast and, uh, Roman Bernard, uh, predicted that we would
00:51:21.420
actually see the first steps towards political oppression and not just this kind of social
00:51:26.380
ostracism that we all know about, um, where you get written up on the SPLC or some other
00:51:32.640
journalist and then people don't want to talk to you and blah, blah, blah, or, you know,
00:51:37.160
and obviously if you're working in a corporation or a law firm, you're going to be fired.
00:51:40.400
Um, but yeah, I mean, we might be kind of moving towards, towards something else, towards
00:51:46.740
something that that's, that's a little bit realer.
00:51:49.120
And I think also like, you know, if we're not pissing off, you know, the daily caller
00:51:56.720
or salon.com or these governments, we, we're, we're doing it wrong.
00:52:03.360
Like, I, I think, again, I don't, I don't think we should be these just sacrificial lambs
00:52:08.840
where, you know, we just, you know, damn the torpedoes, you know, we just walk into
00:52:20.980
Uh, I, I think we should try to, you know, avoid confrontations that we're just simply
00:52:27.640
Uh, but, you know, at the same time, you know, I'm sure at some point Hungary has
00:52:33.560
hosted a geocentrism conference or, you know, or, uh, uh, some other thing, a flat earth
00:52:42.000
society or something that is kind of ridiculous and that most modern people think is, you know,
00:52:48.380
from the past, but no one would crack down upon that.
00:52:52.060
You know, I, I think people think that that is merely wrong.
00:52:55.440
Uh, but, you know, when, I think we, we need to do things that people are going to crack
00:53:00.520
down upon or unless, or we're not doing it because, you know, if, if we ever do stuff
00:53:05.280
that in a way people don't like salon magazine, salon.com or some government that they don't
00:53:10.940
care about, I think that's when we're part of the system and we're just some kind of
00:53:18.560
I mean, I don't remember Paul, I'll let you talk, but I remember Paul Gottfried would
00:53:21.940
always joke about this, that he would go to these conservative conferences and he would
00:53:26.700
meet these people who are like, oh, well, I'm this kind of liturgical Catholic.
00:53:31.500
I mean, I, I'm the most conservative person you could conceivably imagine.
00:53:36.320
I quote this Pope from, you know, 14th century and I blah, blah, blah.
00:53:41.680
And, you know, again, not, not that that kind of stuff isn't conservative to a degree and
00:53:48.060
not that he doesn't sincerely believe it, he, he might, but at some level he's a kind
00:53:52.700
of eccentric fuddy-duddy, you know, he's not really challenging anything.
00:53:57.640
I mean, the, the system can totally absorb him and just treat him as like, oh, just one
00:54:03.540
more, uh, exit, you know, eccentric lifestyle choice.
00:54:08.500
Um, but, you know, why can they not do that with us?
00:54:12.340
You know, why, why was it that when I was in the immigration office, they were like, you
00:54:21.180
Why is it that just, just talking about European unity and the reality of race, the, the, the
00:54:27.760
meaning of race, why is that scaring these people?
00:54:31.700
And, you know, again, I, I, I think we just, we, we always need to be doing it.
00:54:36.180
We, we always need to be pushing at that point that, that brings out the, the fear and angst
00:54:42.500
and, and, and hysteria in our enemies and in the system.
00:54:46.560
We, we, we need to locate that point and just keep pressing.
00:54:51.420
Well, one of the things that when I saw this happened, you know, there've been a lot of
00:54:54.840
discussions and so forth online about, uh, you know, the value of intellectuals and, and
00:55:02.680
And, uh, you know, I, I, I, when I reposted the story, I'm like, you know, I've been to
00:55:11.300
You know, basically it's people giving speeches and having coffee.
00:55:14.980
You know, I mean that this, this is what's really going down.
00:55:17.680
I mean, obviously, I mean, it's, it's really all these conferences, if you go to them and
00:55:21.400
they're, they're really, you know, yes, we're giving speeches, but really it's just a
00:55:25.820
chance for these people to get together and talk and network and so forth.
00:55:28.740
And, you know, the speeches are kind of a framework in which that happens.
00:55:32.040
And, uh, you know, the idea that a bunch of bookworms really are going to get together
00:55:38.720
in a room and say some words and drink some coffee and chit chat for a while.
00:55:47.020
The idea that that has to be cracked down on, uh, really is, is really profound.
00:55:52.920
And it also speaks to the, how important saying some words and reading some books can
00:56:01.740
And I don't, again, I'm, I'm not against activism, but I, I remember I was at a, at a
00:56:06.620
conference and it was one of these word and coffee get together.
00:56:11.280
And, uh, I think you were there in fact, and there was some person who, again, I don't
00:56:16.660
have any problem with really, but he was like, you know, we're actually doing stuff and,
00:56:23.740
And it was all this implied criticism that, you know, all of us were, we're not really
00:56:29.540
doing something because we're not holding up a sign on the side of the highway or something.
00:56:35.240
And I just felt like that, that was just, you know, again, I'm not against activism,
00:56:41.040
You know, words have power and, you know, words, you know, in a kind of, as I'm thinking
00:56:50.620
of Heidegger now, cause I've just been editing his book, but, you know, words are a way that
00:56:54.820
we access being and the way that we access meaning.
00:56:58.940
And that is in a way that that's much, it's, it's so much more powerful than people believe.
00:57:04.460
And I agree, yeah, we don't want to do stuff that's just, you know, where we're arguing
00:57:08.740
about how many angels can fit onto the head of a pen or, or, or, or that kind of stuff.
00:57:14.400
But I, I think we, we should never underestimate the, the power of words.
00:57:19.160
I mean, we have all, we're all doing the stuff that we're doing because of words.
00:57:25.460
Oh, well, the left, I mean, that has been all about commandeering words for, for the past,
00:57:30.520
you know, several decades at least, you know, I mean, it's all about what word are we going
00:57:36.360
What word are we going to use for, you know, what does rape mean today?
00:57:42.360
You know, I mean, so many things, you know, the words, changing definitions of things has
00:57:50.280
You know, I mean, that's, that's really, and you talk about like the way you're allowed
00:57:54.720
to talk about, you know, like all the codes that they edit things for them in the newspapers
00:58:00.940
You know, like, you know, the, the change of when, you know, there was homosexuality and
00:58:07.160
then that was, that's a taboo word, you know, unless you use it in a certain context, like
00:58:12.100
a historical context, they're supposed to be, say, gay now, because that's the word
00:58:17.940
That's the euphemism that we're going to use to describe this thing.
00:58:23.040
I mean, it's happening with transgender now, like you used to, you know, this man is going
00:58:27.840
to cut off his penis and he's going to be a man in a dress.
00:58:30.360
No, now it's a she, you know, they're, they're, by using changing the words, they're actually
00:58:36.120
transforming that person, you know, more than the surgery could do.
00:58:40.160
And, you know, so, I mean, commandeering those words, I think is really, really important
00:58:48.920
I mean, I, I just, little things, I was thinking about using the term Native American, just,
00:58:54.760
you know, calling someone a certain thing changes who they are.
00:59:02.360
I mean, we've been, they've been doing that for years and kind of controlling how we're
00:59:07.220
It's so much, there's so much etiquette involved is what they're changing is, that
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And so what we, you know, these people having, you know, giving speeches and drinking coffee
00:59:20.040
are really challenging the norms that they're trying to institutionalize and the way they're
00:59:28.820
So, I mean, I think that's, that's what's important.
00:59:30.860
And the other thing is that when you talk about what kind of activism matters and what
00:59:36.240
kind of talk matters, I mean, I've, I've kind of realized this in my own writing and
00:59:42.520
dealing with other people, it's that, you know, the same discussion can happen on multiple
00:59:50.480
And, you know, there, there are people who write for this audience and I might write for
00:59:56.280
the audience, you know, there's the people who write for other college professors, you
01:00:01.500
know, and then there's, you know, a few different levels of discourse that can happen and you're
01:00:08.520
And so, you know, if you, you know, you might be talking to, you know, other people who are
01:00:14.580
highly organized, other people who are, you know, involved in, you know, who read Evola
01:00:19.980
and are in a certain kind of, you know, thought process.
01:00:25.060
Whereas, you know, like, you know, my audience is somewhat different.
01:00:29.260
You know, I talk to those guys, but I can also talk to a bunch of other guys that wouldn't
01:00:35.200
But, you know, we all can write at different levels and, you know, speak at different levels
01:00:40.200
and deal with different levels of the populace.
01:00:42.980
And I think that that's important for all these people to remember when they're having their
01:00:45.980
little divisive arguments about what's valuable and what's not valuable and whatever, it's
01:00:52.440
like, if you're really going to have any kind of society or movement, you need to speak to
01:00:58.160
And also, I do think, just because I'm an elitist snob, I think that capturing the intellectuals
01:01:08.900
And the fact that the fact is the left has put a tremendous amount of value in capturing
01:01:17.500
I think it's, in a way, the right that doesn't want to intellectualize things, in a way.
01:01:22.780
You know, I remember Alain de Benoit wrote an interesting essay that Romain Bernard translated,
01:01:30.460
and Romain has also talked about this in his own stuff.
01:01:36.080
You know, it's kind of like, oh, my God, there's going to be an amnesty of illegal immigrants.
01:01:41.140
It's just, we've got to mobilize the population.
01:01:44.060
And, you know, this is kind of how the right's always in this way.
01:01:52.860
But when you move to the revolutionary part, which is kind of more where we are now, because
01:01:58.920
So the next step is moving on, you know, like that's when creative energy happens.
01:02:04.880
And I think that's where the, in a way, the left was for a while.
01:02:07.540
I think currently the left is utterly bankrupt.
01:02:14.800
I mean, there's nothing, I don't know, the, what's next?
01:02:19.980
I mean, it's just, there's, it's just nonsense.
01:02:22.640
And also, we've also revealed this degree to which a certain degree of leftism can be totally
01:02:32.040
I mean, I can see, you know, you can see this now that, you know, we're all care, we're
01:02:35.300
caring about making gays more bourgeois, like, oh, can they get married?
01:02:44.420
Can a man and a man and a man and a man and a dog get a mortgage?
01:02:50.660
I want to live in a world, you know, where five lesbians who are married to Eskimo can
01:03:04.640
just walk into a mall and just buy whatever they want.
01:03:14.060
So, the left now, I would certainly agree, is totally bankrupt.
01:03:20.160
And I also agree that, you know, in this weird way, the left is the right, or the left
01:03:25.900
And, you know, and, you know, George Bush bombing Arab countries so that women can go
01:03:35.040
I mean, we've reached this weird, horrible synthesis of, like, the worst aspects of the
01:03:45.220
So, you know, I think currently the left is bankrupt.
01:03:47.800
But, you know, the left, it might not have appealed to you and me, but the left was able to capture
01:03:57.240
You know, it was, we are the people, you know, if you're a true philosopher, you're a leftist.
01:04:04.760
If you want to understand not just a political policy, you want to understand history, the
01:04:09.900
meaning of history, where everything is headed, where it's all going, you're a leftist.
01:04:14.400
If you got beaten up in high school, you're a leftist.
01:04:26.900
I think if you got beaten up in high school, you're probably reading, like, rateexjournal.com
01:04:34.280
Big, mean lesbian who just, it was just, who, you know, like, went through a girl spurt
01:04:41.000
early, you know, like, a 200-pound lesbian sat on you in the cafeteria.
01:04:48.960
75% of all donations come from men beaten up by lesbians.
01:04:57.620
No, I wouldn't be fully surprised if that were the case.
01:05:03.720
You know, but it's kind of, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
01:05:07.760
And there obviously was an artistic fascination around rightist movements, particularly the
01:05:14.260
revolutionary rightist movements in the, you know, 20s and 30s and things like that of
01:05:20.540
But, and before that, certainly in the 19th century.
01:05:22.960
But at the same time, I mean, you know what I'm getting at.
01:05:26.400
There's this cliche for a reason that, you know, all the artists are left-wing.
01:05:30.540
All the, you know, people who are fascinated with history, oh, they're a bunch of leftist
01:05:35.580
And in a way, like, now that the left is bankrupt, we've got to capture, we've got to be that.
01:05:40.960
And so, you know, I think, you know, we need people saying, I mean, it would be amazing
01:05:45.660
if one day this, like, oh, all those, all those artists, they're all racist.
01:05:49.540
You know, that would be a great achievement in the sense that we, we've actually captured
01:05:57.560
Well, and that's the only way I can go, really, I think.
01:05:59.840
I mean, there's only so much inclusiveness that you can, you can, they can, you know,
01:06:06.540
excite people, you know, who creates creatively.
01:06:10.380
I mean, once you've gotten down to, you know, like we're drilling down to really absurd levels
01:06:16.800
And, you know, like, I mean, it's, it's to the point, it's really speeding up.
01:06:22.640
And, you know, it's, I think people become numb to it.
01:06:28.020
And I think that, you know, one of the real reasons why the left had all that creative
01:06:33.120
energy is because it had the energy of rebellion.
01:06:36.980
And, or at least the, you know, the cachet of rebellion, you know, but now it doesn't.
01:06:43.500
They try and keep it like they're fighting the man.
01:06:45.900
I mean, I think I saw someone repost some article, like Obama saying that the Republican
01:06:53.020
Party is the party of billionaires, but everybody knows that every party is the party of billionaires.
01:07:00.240
You know, it's just, they're trying to hold on to this lie that they, you know, these,
01:07:04.340
you know, the left is for the people and everyone else is, you know, in globalist pockets.
01:07:08.680
But really, I think every, you know, all political parties outside of the ones that we're really
01:07:13.920
talking about are really in the pocket of, you know, the establishment.
01:07:21.180
But no, I, and I, in a way, I think we're, we're on the way.
01:07:27.240
I mean, I, I just, you know, I, I think it's, it's clear, like, you know, what other, what
01:07:34.160
other group is being cracked down upon outside of say, you know, terrorist or something, you
01:07:41.300
Well, I mean, it's that great Voltaire quote, right?
01:07:43.420
You know, like, know who, who runs you by who you're not allowed to speak out against.
01:07:48.740
You know, and, you know, think that that's what's happening.
01:07:55.780
Uh, so anyway, more, more arrests are in our future.
01:07:59.220
I, I, I don't know if we want to, I don't know if we want to wrap it up.
01:08:02.980
I, I, I wonder what is, what do you think about this question?
01:08:07.260
Because this is something that I'm really seriously considering, and that is, how could
01:08:13.120
Because I, you know, in terms of doing a conference, conferences in the United States, I, and in
01:08:20.120
And I don't, I don't have anything against private conferences.
01:08:24.420
And, you know, we've actually hosted a private conference, but, uh, but I think we've got
01:08:34.000
Like, we, we, we've got to say, this is where we stand.
01:08:39.940
So, and we, and we've got to treat ourselves as like, this is, you know, we, we, we're
01:08:43.320
not, uh, our, our, our views should not be, you know, hidden away.
01:08:48.720
Our, our views are for the best people out there.
01:08:52.540
And, um, so anyway, I don't even know, I don't know how to do this in Europe.
01:08:57.840
And, and maybe that's just simply the case of being, you know, we're, we're just Americans.
01:09:03.540
I know there have been some, you know, there's, Arctos has done some identitarian ideas conferences
01:09:09.440
and they've done that in, in certain ways of, you know, having meetup points.
01:09:14.200
There was actually a major identitarian conference in France.
01:09:18.040
I was talking with, uh, Roman about, and, uh, and that was actually successful.
01:09:28.440
I mean, it's, maybe it was too unstable as to, to not knowing how to work around it.
01:09:36.720
And also maybe a bigger country would be better, you know, like Hungary.
01:09:41.440
It was a, it was a, it's a, Hungary is a, I think a country of nine or 10 million people.
01:09:46.460
Um, and you know, it, maybe it was, it was kind of smaller with a, in a kind of bigger unit,
01:09:52.740
you can, you know, get away with some more things and in a way there's also a kind of
01:09:57.360
larger, uh, free speech establishment, you know, maybe France would be an interesting
01:10:05.260
Uh, despite the fact that there'd be a lot of leftist opposition, you know, maybe, you
01:10:10.520
know, that would be a way of doing it, but I simply don't know, but I am going to, we're
01:10:15.040
going to figure this out and we're going to probably, uh, obviously we do have a lot
01:10:18.640
of connections, uh, with Europeans and, um, so we just need to work with them and, and
01:10:25.340
Because again, I've gotten so much, I've gotten a lot of feedback and, um, with some notable
01:10:32.060
exceptions, it has been, uh, just very positive and, and, and also feedback from Europeans.
01:10:38.660
I mean, maybe the ones that don't like what we're doing haven't talked to me.
01:10:43.460
Well, I mean, that's, that's, we all live in a little bubble like that.
01:10:46.660
But at the same time, even just, uh, you know, the Europeans that were there, Europeans
01:10:51.080
that I was, I've, I've talked to who want to help out.
01:10:53.880
It's just, you know, they're very happy that this is happening and, uh, you know, very happy
01:10:59.060
that so many people can kind of meet for the first time.
01:11:06.000
Well, maybe that would be a feather in your cap.
01:11:07.460
I mean, either way, if I, I mean, it upgrades to, uh, I mean, okay.
01:11:11.400
I mean, you got the, basically with the prime minister of Hungary to speak your name
01:11:15.360
and anger, you know, but that's something, I mean, I mean, the next, I mean, like, you
01:11:22.740
know, it would take a lot of work for you to, for, for Barack Obama to denounce you to
01:11:28.080
be, to be, uh, to get that high on the radar, you know?
01:11:33.300
Um, and, uh, I mean, he denounces stuff all the time, but you know, that's an accomplishment.
01:11:41.460
I mean, if you, you know, I mean, it'd be an interesting position if, if, uh, Le Pen
01:11:47.340
was in, you know, gained power and then was forced to denounce you, but I, I'm afraid
01:11:55.780
So, I mean, probably heard the national is, um, really kind of not, uh, they're not whom
01:12:02.720
they're not what we wish they were and they're not what liberals say.
01:12:07.400
Unfortunately, they're not what their enemies think they are.
01:12:10.700
I mean, and then, and then at that point, then you expose them as kind of like a tea party,
01:12:14.500
you're like, uh, yeah, kind of a bought and paid for kind of establishment thing.
01:12:18.620
Um, but, uh, you know, I mean, that's a possibility too, you know, let me, uh, you know, it's,
01:12:23.060
you know, get, uh, if you could draw the attention that you drew in Hungary in, uh, France, I
01:12:35.240
But, you know, again, I, of course, then you also actually want to be able to have the
01:12:39.520
I think if every conference we do get scuttled and, and I start being like, oh yeah, I went
01:12:45.080
to prison again, you know, that could be your job.
01:12:49.180
I think that would start to get old after a while.
01:12:51.880
I think, you know, we, we need to do one that's successful.
01:12:55.440
We, we can't, you know, this was fine because we were, you know, this is our first try, you
01:13:01.440
know, what we were doing was entirely legitimate.
01:13:06.600
I'm, I'm very happy about that, but we've got to, we've got to get it right.
01:13:12.360
Maybe do another one in America to, to, to see, see, we can actually hold a conference.
01:13:17.800
You know, to, and also kind of thumb your nose at Europe.
01:13:21.360
To a certain extent, like, look how, these savages in America still let us have a conference.
01:13:29.000
You know, you know, you're too, you're too unfree, you know, to allow anything, other people
01:13:40.140
And, you know, to kind of my, use it kind of to mock them and make it, put them in a
01:13:46.580
weird position to, to lock you down the next time.
01:13:50.240
And, you know, I was thinking about, you know, ways that we could bring, you know, allow Europeans
01:13:57.860
It's not that, you know, going across any Atlantic, it's hard.
01:14:03.280
Um, as I, as I was tweeting, I, whenever I get on, you have to have that terrible plane
01:14:14.000
I always, whenever I'm on the plane, I always, you know, there's just like endless movies.
01:14:18.840
And I feel like I, I never go to see all these horrible Hollywood movies.
01:14:23.540
And then I just watch them in a big, like eight hour long span of watching like Jack
01:14:47.160
Actually Hollywood does produce a lousy, uh, stuff, but anyway, um, I, I think it would
01:14:54.180
I, I, one of my friends is saying this and I think this would be a neat thing that if,
01:14:58.400
if we could get a lot of Europeans to come to American conference, we, we could have them
01:15:02.140
stand up and be like, all right, we're doing this in Europe next year.
01:15:05.480
And, you know, we, we have, we have 30, 30 Europeans who've come to America.
01:15:10.820
We need at least that many to go to Europe and just kind of get that, you know, that, that
01:15:16.240
bonding going where, uh, we really feel like we're part of the same movement.
01:15:22.300
And, um, I think that would be a really great accomplishment.
01:15:39.380
I mean, they've, they've cracked down on Ann Coulter for God's sake.
01:15:49.160
He was like, yeah, he got, he had some legal problems.
01:16:00.940
I mean, yeah, for anyone who I, I used to live in Canada and, um, yeah, it's basically
01:16:07.000
Canadians are always like, oh, we're so different from our friends.
01:16:10.420
You know, it's, it's not, it's, it's, they're exactly the same.
01:16:14.460
I mean, with, with some exceptions, um, you know.
01:16:20.680
Uh, but you know, with some exceptions, I, I think Montreal for one really feels like a
01:16:26.600
It's a, it's a cool place and there's some other exceptions, but it, it is pretty, um,
01:16:30.520
pretty much like American, but I think, um, like America, but I think in terms of some
01:16:34.560
of their, their willingness to crack down, I think it's not, I, I think they are, they're
01:16:39.860
I mean, you could always do some really funky model, like everyone meet up in, um, oh God,
01:16:48.000
I don't, some just, you know, we all go to the Bahamas or something.
01:16:54.180
Uh, we'll all go to Jamaica and, you know, the people there will have no.
01:16:59.860
I don't have no earthly idea of what's going on.
01:17:13.780
That would be interesting, but it, it might be interesting, you know, you could always
01:17:16.840
have the model of just going to some really unusual place and I, I think the government
01:17:22.260
would probably, they would probably ignore you in that situation.
01:17:26.320
You know, they would just be like, ah, these stupid white people.
01:17:31.880
No, like you could go, you could go to some like, you know, like a, you know, whatever,
01:17:37.940
That would be, yeah, that would be kind of fun.
01:17:41.400
Maybe Jamaica just say, I've never been in Chicago.
01:17:48.740
It just, it's like, yeah, but, uh, but anyway, well, why don't we just put it, let's put
01:17:58.320
a bookmark in this one or do you have any other, uh, no, no, no.
01:18:05.200
We've, uh, uh, we've, uh, we've talked a lot about this.
01:18:08.600
I'm sure we'll talk more about this, but, um, well, you know, just to sum up, it was,
01:18:19.640
It was, I, I think, you know, a lot of this is symbolic, but I, I think this is something
01:18:25.360
people are going to, we're going to be thinking about this for a while.
01:18:28.740
And I think it was just a good, it was just a good symbol of our resolve that we're, you
01:18:34.420
know, um, we're, we're, we're willing to go all the way.
01:18:41.180
And, uh, I, you know, and of course I had something to do with that, but it was really
01:18:47.040
I think everyone who attended that Budapest conference, they were taking somewhat of a
01:18:55.200
And, um, I'm very, just very proud of them that they would do that.
01:19:00.620
And, uh, so I'm, I'm, you know, I'm just, uh, very interesting weekend tough, but I'm just
01:19:08.320
But yeah, it shows, you know, it really demonstrated that, you know, the right or whatever we want
01:19:18.120
You know, you're the side that's fighting the man, clearly.
01:19:24.700
Well, anyway, I see the, the warden is coming over.
01:19:27.620
They've, they picked up my paper mache head and they're not buying it.
01:19:31.620
So, uh, I've got to, I've got to get back to my room and there'll be penalties.
01:19:36.780
You'll be, you'll have to go into solitary, right?