RadixJournal - October 09, 2014


A Podcast From a Budapest Jail


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1 hour and 20 minutes

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14,166

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71

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In this episode of the podcast, we are joined by a man who is currently serving a life sentence in a maximum security prison in Hungary. We talk about his experience in prison, and what it's like to be in prison.

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00:00:00.920 Well, Jack, the guards aren't looking.
00:00:04.320 I've just made a papier-mâché mask of my head, and I put it on the pillow.
00:00:09.360 And I think we've got about an hour to do a podcast before I'm taken back to my cell.
00:00:14.660 So let's make this quick.
00:00:17.000 Okay.
00:00:17.740 Okay, so I have a question for you to start off.
00:00:21.200 I've always wanted to know, a friend of mine, I rode with a gang member in a truck a few years ago,
00:00:27.360 and he told me that once you've tasted toilet wine, you really develop a taste for it,
00:00:33.060 and that's all you really want.
00:00:33.980 Is that true?
00:00:35.380 Oh, yeah, without question.
00:00:37.060 I can't have anything else.
00:00:39.720 And, I mean, once you're out of the house, you really never leave.
00:00:46.300 I mean, you demand that your friends and loved ones scream at you and beat you with clubs.
00:00:54.340 So your soul is always on the inside.
00:00:56.540 Exactly.
00:00:56.900 That's what you're saying.
00:00:57.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:58.280 Your body is just on the outside, yeah.
00:01:00.360 Right, right, right.
00:01:01.000 So it's Pruno at the next gathering of MPI.
00:01:05.640 Right, right.
00:01:06.360 If the authorities allow it.
00:01:07.960 Right, right.
00:01:08.560 Of course, you know.
00:01:10.200 No, I mean, look, I have the Aryan Brotherhood tattoos to prove it.
00:01:15.120 I have been to the big house.
00:01:17.700 Perhaps we should stop the charade.
00:01:26.920 No, I, as we might have confused some listeners, just in case you didn't know, I was a, the Hungarian
00:01:36.300 government insisted that I be their guest for a weekend.
00:01:41.520 And it was, that is to say, I was in a Hungarian detention center slash prison for a weekend because
00:01:51.820 of essentially of a thought crime of attempting to host a conference in Budapest.
00:01:58.280 And we're going to talk about it on the podcast.
00:02:00.960 But I would say, you know, I don't want to diminish the legend that is growing about this issue.
00:02:10.100 But prison was not the worst thing in the world.
00:02:14.960 It was nothing like something you might see on, you know, cable news after 11 p.m.
00:02:20.520 It was nothing like an American prison.
00:02:26.460 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:27.500 Hungary is a civilized country.
00:02:31.300 I was thinking about all these things.
00:02:33.380 I was, I've heard all the, like, you know, if you ever get stood in prison, the first thing 0.98
00:02:37.840 you should do is just like, just go kill someone. 1.00
00:02:40.420 Because then, then the rest of the prisoners know like, oh, better not fuck with that guy. 1.00
00:02:47.360 Right. 1.00
00:02:47.760 So, so, you know, you had to cut someone's head off. 0.89
00:02:51.540 Right. 0.97
00:02:51.900 With a shiv or whatever.
00:02:53.400 Yeah.
00:02:53.580 I just, I grabbed a tray and just slammed it.
00:02:56.480 No, it was not that scary.
00:03:00.060 It was basically where I was, was kind of like a halfway house.
00:03:04.000 It was, it was for people who were well-behaved and nonviolent and who were getting ready to
00:03:10.000 be deported.
00:03:11.020 So, you know, I, I, when I was first sent down that hall, I did have a little bit of
00:03:17.720 fear.
00:03:18.040 And I was thinking like, you know, just, you know, look straight ahead, be tough and
00:03:22.240 things like that.
00:03:23.000 But it was basically just a bunch of Vietnamese guys in pajamas. 0.65
00:03:26.700 So, no, I mean, again, it, it was an interesting experience.
00:03:35.800 And, and, and, you know, it's, it was prison, you know, after all, you don't have freedom.
00:03:43.220 You, you know, I was not allowed to take a book and with me, I certainly not allowed to
00:03:47.680 take a computer or, or anything like that.
00:03:50.380 I mean, your, your freedom is taken away, uh, um, really terrible food.
00:03:54.540 Wait, did you have Facebook?
00:03:55.820 Did you at least have Facebook?
00:03:57.440 Well, there was an email terminal, so I could have just gone, gone, gone and looked at Facebook.
00:04:03.020 But no, that, that is, they deprive you of social networking.
00:04:06.120 Yes.
00:04:07.300 Uh, I.
00:04:08.620 Is it Africa? 0.81
00:04:09.440 What's going on?
00:04:10.460 Actually, I think a lot of modern Americans, God, if you took their Facebook away, you
00:04:15.660 don't even have to put them in a prison.
00:04:17.180 They might just, uh, they would, they would just go mad.
00:04:20.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:21.720 I might, I don't know.
00:04:24.900 But, uh, no, I mean, and the other thing, I, I would say this, um, you really, you know,
00:04:31.320 when, when you, when you have your freedom taken away like that, um, you know, even in a
00:04:36.300 fairly civilized manner, like, like mine was taken away, uh, you do really
00:04:40.360 appreciate your friends.
00:04:41.600 I mean, um, there, there was someone whose name I won't mention just because, um, uh,
00:04:47.520 because he, uh, you know, wants to have a life outside, outside of our, our movement.
00:04:52.900 But, uh, you know, he came and visited me and, uh, and, and brought me some important
00:04:58.420 items that I actually needed to get out.
00:05:01.060 And you do realize, you know, when you rely on someone else and they actually come through,
00:05:06.820 um, you, you, you really appreciate it.
00:05:09.420 You know, I, it's, it's hard to actually, uh, it's hard to articulate, uh, what it's
00:05:14.140 like.
00:05:14.580 You know, it's, it really is like being caught in quicksand and someone actually throws you
00:05:19.680 a rope or, you know, gives you a water in a desert.
00:05:22.000 It, it, it feels very good.
00:05:24.240 Uh, you feel like you really do have a friend.
00:05:27.560 And, uh, you know, and the fact that, I know, I don't want to get all sappy here, uh, but,
00:05:32.860 you know, the fact that, for instance, I was, uh, I was actually arrested on a Friday
00:05:37.720 night and I was essentially just kept up all night, um, in various Hungarian bureaucratic
00:05:44.700 institutions.
00:05:45.940 And, uh, and then I never even got to, I, I was finally put into the detention center
00:05:51.940 around, uh, maybe 6 PM the next day or so.
00:05:55.040 So I had not really slept for quite some time.
00:05:57.900 Um, I'd, I probably had nodded off at some point, but you know, it was, it was pretty
00:06:02.220 bad.
00:06:02.600 And, um, just the fact that Jared, Jared Taylor and some other people, the fact that they just
00:06:09.660 stepped into my leadership position and they basically decide, and I'm sure they, they went
00:06:16.020 through a thought process of like, should we go on?
00:06:17.980 Should we do this? 0.99
00:06:18.500 But they basically decided of, you know, yeah, let's fucking do this. 0.96
00:06:23.260 You know, you know, we, we've lost a man, but like, let's keep pushing forward. 0.96
00:06:28.420 Again, the fact that they still did the conference, that was also very moving.
00:06:32.840 Um, because when I heard the next day that the conference had taken place and that people
00:06:36.620 had really had a good time, uh, I was, you know, again, you really do feel, you, you realize
00:06:42.880 that you've got friends out there and that is a, uh, that is a very meaningful feeling.
00:06:47.260 And, um, so, uh, anyway, no more, no more sappiness for me, but, uh, I, I, I'm trying
00:06:57.040 to remember the exact words to the number from the, that South Park movie about, you know,
00:07:01.420 the, though we may die, the revolution lives on.
00:07:07.500 Um, anyway, I think, you know, uh, people may have heard about that, but I think maybe
00:07:13.040 we should start a little bit, uh, back further, uh, going into the conference and
00:07:17.200 I mean, um, well, how did you, first of all, why, why Budapest, why Hungary?
00:07:24.480 Why, why did you guys choose to go there?
00:07:26.980 Well, we just thought that we, we would be welcomed with open arms, uh, but sadly we literally
00:07:33.800 were that naive.
00:07:35.060 Uh, we, we, we were just very, very wrong in our estimation of what would happen.
00:07:40.960 Um, and, um, and I'll, I'll just go back a little bit, uh, basically my, uh, my colleague
00:07:46.480 and friend, um, mentor, Bill, William Regnery, um, he has had an idea about something like
00:07:53.940 a European Congress for a number of years and he, he's wanted to have it.
00:07:58.520 He's like, you know, we need to, you know, it's, it's, it's not happening on its own.
00:08:02.380 We need, we need a place, a forum where you're a lot of Europeans and Americans can kind of
00:08:07.340 come together, we'll use English as a lingua franca, which is, of course, it's very, that
00:08:12.740 is very convenient for an American to say, uh, but actually English really is the lingua
00:08:17.100 franca.
00:08:17.540 It's a way for Europeans to communicate with themselves and, um, and we want to do that.
00:08:23.600 We want to spread ideas.
00:08:24.620 We want to really talk about European unity and not just the right wing within a particular
00:08:29.660 country and that it would also be an intellectual group and not a, uh, you know, not based around
00:08:35.620 a political party.
00:08:36.380 So this is the, the basic idea.
00:08:38.600 We're thinking, where could we do this, where it would actually work, where we would not
00:08:43.780 be apprehended by the government?
00:08:47.940 Yeah.
00:08:48.560 I mean, we, we were, uh, we were a little bit wrong.
00:08:51.480 We thought Budapest was great.
00:08:52.800 We thought that basically, um, from what we had heard, the, the anti-fascist left or so,
00:08:59.180 so-called were not as prevalent, not as violent as they are in other places.
00:09:05.660 Um, we thought that amongst the general population that probably due to the language difference
00:09:12.040 that there would be a lot of, uh, ignorance or apathy.
00:09:15.840 They, they, it would not bother liberals.
00:09:18.560 They, they would be like, oh, there's some weird Americans coming over. 1.00
00:09:22.380 And, uh, and then also we thought that we would really have some allies.
00:09:26.940 Uh, well, John Morgan of Arctos is, is set up there, isn't he?
00:09:30.060 Exactly.
00:09:30.700 Yeah.
00:09:30.900 They have their offices and they were doing fine.
00:09:32.600 So that seemed reasonable.
00:09:34.000 Yeah, that is true.
00:09:34.940 I mean, the, the, I guess the, the real difference is that they are a publishing firm and when
00:09:40.980 you have an event, just by its very nature, the fact that it is public, it's, there's a
00:09:46.340 countdown, you know, it takes place on a certain day, so on and so forth.
00:09:50.060 That really gets under people's skin.
00:09:53.280 And, but anyway, Arctos was there.
00:09:55.060 So that, that was actually one of the ideas of, hey, we, we've got, you know, I'm, I've
00:09:59.440 known John Morgan for a while.
00:10:01.220 Um, you know, let's, let's, you know, let's work with these guys.
00:10:04.460 And we also thought that the right, um, in Hungary would be interested in working with
00:10:11.140 us.
00:10:11.520 And at first they were, but as you can see, as I've just laid it out, we were basically
00:10:16.860 wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong on our assessment.
00:10:22.140 We were just simply wrong. 1.00
00:10:23.880 Uh, the government reacted, they overreacted in a, uh, in my opinion, very stupid manner, 0.99
00:10:29.460 but they, they really overreacted. 0.98
00:10:31.300 Um, believe it or not, this conference was making headlines in Budapest.
00:10:37.460 I mean, it's kind of surreal in a way.
00:10:40.140 Um, but it became a topic of discussion and a controversy.
00:10:45.060 Um, actually on, um, on, uh, Thursday, I actually, when I was, after I had snuck into the country
00:10:52.720 effectively, I, I, well, I shouldn't say that.
00:10:55.380 I, I, I did everything legally.
00:10:56.880 I flew into a Schengen country and entered Hungary by a train.
00:11:02.900 And, uh, but I was there, I actually gave a interview to the major liberal paper, who
00:11:07.820 actually were very fair, and they, they supported the notion of free speech, and they, uh, they
00:11:13.440 disagreed with Orban's, um, you know, claims that we should not be allowed to speak.
00:11:17.760 And, um, but anyway, it, it became a major controversy in Budapest, and, uh, it was, it was something
00:11:25.200 people were talking about and having opinions on.
00:11:27.980 And, and also the, uh, quite frankly, you know, we, we had made inroads with Jobbik.
00:11:34.160 Um, we, uh, we were emailing with them.
00:11:36.600 They seemed very happy about doing it.
00:11:38.500 They were, there was talk of them helping us, you know, find venues and things like that.
00:11:43.100 But as it, as it turned out, we did all that.
00:11:45.020 But nevertheless, they were very cooperative.
00:11:47.700 And then this controversy broke.
00:11:50.120 And, uh, you know, lesson learned.
00:11:53.200 Uh, really felt like we, uh, got thrown under the bus a little bit by those guys.
00:11:57.380 That it was kind of like, oh, we didn't know that this was racist or something.
00:12:00.840 It was, it was pretty, um, not very plausible lie on their part.
00:12:06.780 But anyway, um, you know, that was it.
00:12:10.220 I, I should also mention, I think the, uh, the fact that we invited Alexander Dugan to
00:12:14.500 speak, um, also just created a lot of controversy.
00:12:17.460 And I, I understand that because of the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine.
00:12:22.720 Um, but, uh, that also seemed to rile people up.
00:12:27.220 So, anyway, we created a lot more controversy, certainly, than we desired.
00:12:31.940 Um, we really did want this to be an intellectual group, a kind of, you know, what would be a little
00:12:38.020 bit of a vacation for people, you know, come visit Budapest, let's talk, let's see how the,
00:12:43.200 all these different forces within European and American, really worldwide European traditionalism,
00:12:50.060 uh, how we can work together.
00:12:51.740 And it was really supposed to be like that.
00:12:54.300 And instead it became, uh, it became kind of, we got to live the life of a revolutionary,
00:13:00.020 which I guess is good.
00:13:02.020 Well, and then you got to, I mean, really, I mean, you've demonstrated how under the boot
00:13:06.620 they are, you know, I mean, how necessary that kind of movement is and how, how freedom
00:13:13.220 is waning everywhere for anyone who wants to speak, uh, about anything that makes sense,
00:13:21.560 you know, uh, anything that would counter the kind of globalist regime, uh, you know,
00:13:27.440 they're all afraid they all want to be in the EU or whatever, uh, you know, and, uh, you
00:13:33.680 know, we can't counter that.
00:13:35.000 Yeah, no, I, I think this was an interesting test and I'm, and I'm very glad we did it.
00:13:39.400 And I'm very glad we suffered the consequences.
00:13:41.060 I, I think it was, it was worth it again, you know, we, we're not living in, um, the, the
00:13:47.600 hungry Bella Kuhn where, you know, if I, if I had done this, I would have been taken out
00:13:53.820 and shot and my body would have been floating in the Danube.
00:13:57.560 Um, you know, we're not, I, we, we knew that.
00:14:00.720 Not yet.
00:14:01.460 Yeah.
00:14:01.800 Not yet.
00:14:02.340 I mean, maybe we'll reach that point, but you know, at least for the foreseeable future,
00:14:06.580 the, the, the state is not going to do that to a dissident.
00:14:10.620 So, you know, we, there's a limit to the rest, but we're, we're definitely willing to take
00:14:14.400 it.
00:14:14.780 But I think it was a weird thing.
00:14:16.260 If you think about the, the political aspect of it, because, um, uh, Victor Orban really, 0.53
00:14:22.600 if you, if you ask a lot of liberals in Europe, the United States, he basically is a fascist.
00:14:27.740 You know, he's, he's a right wing.
00:14:29.240 He's, he's talked about, he's authoritarian.
00:14:32.360 He's, you know, um, blah, blah, blah.
00:14:35.740 At the same time, he, he actually, you know, Hungary has better relations with Russia than
00:14:41.080 many other European countries.
00:14:42.540 But then at the same time, they want to be part of the European Union and get advantages
00:14:46.920 of the, uh, to get advantages of that.
00:14:48.860 Um, actually shortly before we came, they had just received a massive loan or handout or
00:14:54.040 something of this nature.
00:14:55.440 So, you know, I, I think Hungary is kind of playing a lot of games and, and different
00:15:01.900 games and, and kind of mutually contradictory games.
00:15:04.680 And I think in a way, Victor Orban saw this as, oh, these, this, this Russian, this Russian 0.99
00:15:11.400 lunatic and a bunch of crazy American racists, they're all coming to Hungary and now they're 0.99
00:15:17.040 going to associate Hungary with Russianism and racism and, uh, and fascism or whatever. 0.99
00:15:23.260 So I've, I've just got to nip this in the bud and stop them. 0.90
00:15:25.980 And by doing that, he of course looks like a fascist.
00:15:30.380 So of course, yeah, the caricature of a fascist at least. 1.00
00:15:33.800 So I thought it was rather stupid on his part. 0.99
00:15:38.080 It would, it would have been better to simply ignore us and, or make some vague free speech, 0.99
00:15:43.580 you know, argument or something.
00:15:45.160 Uh, but you know, he didn't and I think he, he does look very bad and, um, you know, it
00:15:50.900 was just kind of a personal test for us.
00:15:53.020 Uh, we definitely took a risk.
00:15:54.520 I, uh, you know, at many points I did fear that, you know, what's going to happen is, is,
00:16:01.360 are they just going to arrest everyone or are they going to brutalize someone?
00:16:05.920 Uh, you know, I didn't want that.
00:16:07.640 I, I knew that that, that is a risk, but you know, I kind of thought, look, there, there,
00:16:12.740 there are risks in everything.
00:16:13.740 I mean, there, there are risks when you get in a car and drive down the highway and you
00:16:18.100 just have to think, you know, is that, is that, is that, is this a reasonable risk that
00:16:21.720 we're taking?
00:16:22.860 Um, you know, and is the, is the potential reward really there?
00:16:27.080 Um, and I thought the potential reward of standing up to these people of saying, this
00:16:32.440 is a, this is a legitimate conference.
00:16:34.340 This is a conference that Hungarians are more than welcome, you know, to come and take
00:16:39.180 part in.
00:16:39.640 We are, we had Hungarians register, uh, these are important ideas.
00:16:44.180 This needs to happen.
00:16:45.960 Um, you know, I just felt that it was well worth the effort.
00:16:49.140 So, so I, I went through with it.
00:16:52.660 Um, but anyway, maybe we should do this.
00:16:54.980 Uh, let me talk a little bit about Friday night and you can ask some questions and, um,
00:17:02.660 and, and, you know, the, just so our, our audience can kind of get a, get an idea of
00:17:08.000 what happened, but.
00:17:08.740 Yeah.
00:17:08.860 Cause not everyone's going to have, uh, followed this, uh, you know, as it developed.
00:17:13.600 Right.
00:17:13.960 I'm probably on a meta level already.
00:17:15.940 I should bring it down.
00:17:16.960 It's totally meta.
00:17:19.200 But, uh, yeah, let's, uh, I mean, as far as, uh, basically, you know, the,
00:17:24.760 uh, Orban is his name?
00:17:26.440 Yeah.
00:17:26.740 Victor Orban.
00:17:27.540 Victor Orban.
00:17:28.280 I mean, he made, he made the announcement, uh, that the conference was banned or whatever.
00:17:33.560 And then what did you, what was the thought process?
00:17:36.420 What did you guys do?
00:17:37.660 Well, um, it was, it was kind of me, you know, um, the other co-sponsors were away and I had
00:17:43.620 made it clear to them, um, that I, I just, I said, we're going through with this.
00:17:49.880 And, you know, when, when all of these things came out, I, I went, I went on a emotional
00:17:55.540 rollercoaster from exuberance to depression to outright defiance and the exuberance stage
00:18:03.240 of things occurred actually before we started getting some of these official statements by
00:18:09.720 the government, because I was exuberant because I thought that we had really had a good model
00:18:15.120 and the response to the conference was fantastic.
00:18:18.560 I mean, we, we would have had easily 200 people attend this conference.
00:18:24.180 And when, when I first, uh, when we first got going with, with organizing it, I told people,
00:18:30.840 I was like, look, we might have 50 people at this conference.
00:18:33.780 Like, this might be a really small get together.
00:18:36.760 It's our first one.
00:18:38.460 You know, we're going to talk about what we want to do next and so on and so forth.
00:18:41.740 But the response was great.
00:18:43.600 I mean, we, we had, we had a ton of people pre-register.
00:18:48.300 Uh, a lot of people said they're coming, you know, I'll buy a ticket when I'm there.
00:18:52.180 So we, it would have been a really great event and it would have been a real sustainable event.
00:18:57.520 You know, we wouldn't be losing all this money.
00:18:59.300 We would, we would, we'd be making a little money.
00:19:00.840 So we'd say like, okay, this, this, we can build some funds for the society's future.
00:19:05.520 You know, we can, I don't know, publish a book, you have, have more conferences, whatever.
00:19:10.220 So I was very, I was, I was euphoric about where we were.
00:19:16.460 Then when we got the interior, basically it went in a stage.
00:19:20.600 There was, there was some minor ministry, like the ministry of trade and something like this.
00:19:25.960 They denounced it and they used very strong language.
00:19:28.680 They said, this is unacceptable, so on and so forth.
00:19:31.280 And I wrote a very polite press release saying, this is lost in, this is lost in translation.
00:19:38.980 You know, we're not, we're not who you think we are.
00:19:42.220 Just don't worry about it.
00:19:43.400 Then the interior minister banned it. 0.99
00:19:46.220 Then, you know, the goddamn prime minister, you know, banned it. 0.99
00:19:50.420 And, uh, I, I was, I, I was getting a little depressed. 0.99
00:19:53.860 I was like, why are they doing this?
00:19:56.300 You know, so on and so forth.
00:19:58.120 And, you know, I, I, that depression hardened into defiance.
00:20:03.700 And I just felt like we were morally right.
00:20:08.580 This, this is, this is a, this is a fascinating conference.
00:20:11.800 We're going to talk about a lot of different, you know, important ideas and ideals.
00:20:15.600 Uh, we have foreign guests all, you know, descending upon this one place. 1.00
00:20:21.220 Um, you know, I told people we're going to do it.
00:20:23.540 People made plans.
00:20:24.680 You know, I, once you start backing down, you never stop backing down.
00:20:29.880 You know, once you start canceling, once you start, it never ends.
00:20:34.600 Um, you know, if anyone's, if anyone's been in a relationship, you know, they know this.
00:20:42.420 You know, uh, or, or, you know, I, I shouldn't say that to me, you know, but you know what
00:20:47.140 I mean?
00:20:47.540 Once don't take a defensive position.
00:20:50.180 Exactly.
00:20:50.920 And you know, what also, you know, when like a, when someone apologizes when they're in the
00:20:55.420 right, but they kind of apologize, they never stop apologizing.
00:20:59.800 People smell blood.
00:21:00.960 Every time, every time somebody does it in the media, I mean, you see that, uh, every time
00:21:05.000 someone has a, you know, says something mean in Playboy magazine, which seems to be where
00:21:09.260 they always do it, uh, then they, then they have to, you know, then someone reminds them
00:21:15.620 who pays them and then they have to apologize and they keep apologizing and they're never
00:21:20.880 forgiven either.
00:21:21.960 And that's an important thing to remember is that you can apologize all you want, but
00:21:27.000 they're, they're going to bring that up for the rest of your life.
00:21:29.200 Yeah.
00:21:29.660 So, you know, it's almost no point in even apologizing when you get out of it.
00:21:34.820 Well, they, they smell blood.
00:21:36.380 I think what it is, it's like a boxer, like, oh, look, they've got a big cut above their
00:21:40.300 eye.
00:21:40.580 Let's start hammering at it.
00:21:41.680 Like, it's not about like, look, I'm bleeding.
00:21:44.160 Now you, for all, now you forgive me. 0.66
00:21:45.480 No, it's like, ah, let's start, start hammering this guy.
00:21:48.360 So, you know, again, if you look, if you are morally in the wrong, or if you make a mistake,
00:21:53.680 then you have to admit it.
00:21:55.500 That's obviously that's true. 0.99
00:21:57.020 But in our case, I was just kind of like, ah, ah, I don't give a fuck. 0.99
00:22:02.980 We're, we're doing this. 0.96
00:22:04.740 Um, we, we are gonna, we are gonna work very hard to protect the safety of those people
00:22:09.340 who come.
00:22:10.600 Um, but we're doing this.
00:22:12.680 And, uh, so I was quite defiant and I, I put together a little video and, you know, even
00:22:18.640 though I was polite, I think people could tell that I was, uh, certainly challenging the
00:22:23.360 authority of, of, of the prime minister.
00:22:26.100 And I said, no, look, you, you know, this is, we are doing something highly legitimate.
00:22:30.440 We're not obeying, uh, uh, illegitimate law.
00:22:33.520 Um, so, um, and anyway, so that was basically the time.
00:22:37.880 Um, I had a, a very long trip into Budapest and, um, uh, while we were, while I was doing
00:22:44.400 that, I was working with some, uh, colleagues on the ground.
00:22:47.620 Um, we actually had Hungarian helping us and so on and so forth.
00:22:50.660 And just to kind of secure an alternative venue and to make sure that no one knew about it.
00:22:55.300 So, uh, I think there were three people alive that knew that we had an alternative venue.
00:23:02.420 And, um, I would say to people who, who do similar things like that, that is a good system.
00:23:08.460 The, the fewer people who know about it, the better.
00:23:10.580 Um, and, uh, so anyway, so that happened.
00:23:15.260 Then on Friday, um, I got a lot of, I could just feel the excitement in the air.
00:23:20.960 And I think it was because of the fact that we were, you know, revolutionaries, you know, against, this is against the law.
00:23:30.700 Oh my God.
00:23:31.400 It's forbidden.
00:23:32.040 It's forbidden, you know.
00:23:33.780 Uh, and so I could, I was getting all these emails of like, oh, we've got to meet up.
00:23:38.240 And so I was like, okay, um, let's do this.
00:23:40.940 Let's, um, let's all meet up at a pub.
00:23:43.280 So I, I picked one that was fairly conveniently located.
00:23:46.060 And I sent out a blast, email blast to people who had said that they were coming.
00:23:50.520 And, um, it, and I have to say, before, before my, um, unfortunate arrest, uh, the, the whole atmosphere in that pub was, was truly amazing.
00:24:01.960 And it was, it was almost entirely men.
00:24:06.300 Uh, I think there, there might've been just, uh, one woman I, I remember who, who came. 0.96
00:24:11.300 And it was generally, you know, we were going out to a pub, uh, you know, it was younger guys, you know, with some exceptions, some older guys who were there too.
00:24:18.760 But it was, it was basically a bunch of young guys from all over Europe.
00:24:24.460 Um, I can remember there's some people from, they're Flemish, uh, Canadians, uh, German, some Brits, some Englishmen, like an Irish person.
00:24:34.380 I mean, it, it was just, it was really diverse, but it was, it was this weird thing where you could just start talking to someone and you feel like you've known them for a long time.
00:24:46.720 Like we, we, we were just, everyone was just on the same page in this way that we were just old friends immediately.
00:24:53.180 You know, we, we were, we're using the same language, using the same terminology, talking, we had the same concerns.
00:24:59.100 It was just a very lively atmosphere and, um, fantastic.
00:25:05.320 I, I didn't, I, that was worth it.
00:25:07.060 I would never want to be anywhere else.
00:25:08.300 And then the, the police came and, uh, so I was actually speaking with a, a journalist, uh, and, and then he, he looked up and he was like, oh my gosh.
00:25:20.860 And I looked behind me and there were about three policemen and, um, I would say that, you know, there's, there's that, uh, what is it, fight or flight mechanism.
00:25:31.280 My, my, my first instinct was let's just all get out of here.
00:25:35.680 So I, I, I was kind of telling some people like, okay, let's just, guys, let's all go, let's scatter.
00:25:40.960 Like just everyone walk, you know, that, that was my first instinct.
00:25:43.700 But actually they were not allowing us to leave the pub.
00:25:46.800 And when I looked outside, I don't even know how many police officers there are, at least a dozen.
00:25:51.620 And then there were these non, non-uniformed police officers, uh, kind of directing them.
00:25:57.880 Um, and, uh, so anyway, we could not leave.
00:26:01.480 They were asking for passports and IDs.
00:26:05.080 And, uh, I actually had left my passport at my hotel, but I did have an ID on me. 0.97
00:26:10.880 And, um, my, my first strategy, as it were, was to play dumb.
00:26:17.140 Um, and so I, I, I hoped that, that basically these people would go away. 0.82
00:26:21.980 So I was telling him, I was like, oh, I'm just a tourist.
00:26:24.660 I don't know what's going on.
00:26:25.780 I don't know nothing about no racists.
00:26:29.720 Racists?
00:26:30.240 Well, good Lord.
00:26:31.320 I, I'll help, I, you should arrest those people.
00:26:34.300 Yeah.
00:26:37.860 But they weren't really buying that.
00:26:39.780 And, uh, so, I, you know, and it was interesting, I should mention this, um, the, the police officers, as I would learn later, the police officers had no idea what was actually going on.
00:26:53.740 They were basically told, someone was directing them to go and, and apprehend people and get their name, and so on and so forth.
00:27:01.220 But they actually didn't know what was going on.
00:27:03.200 And, uh, but the un-uniformed, um, directors, who I guess were their, you know, I don't know, lieutenants or whatever the, the title is in Hungary.
00:27:12.140 It was just the CIA.
00:27:13.500 Right, right.
00:27:16.160 Everyone was speaking English.
00:27:17.640 It was very strange.
00:27:19.060 It's this big, large woman, blonde woman named Heidi, who was, who had a megaphone, who was screaming orders in English. 1.00
00:27:26.180 I was like, what is going on here?
00:27:28.060 No.
00:27:28.460 Uh, but, uh, so, I, I basically, this, this went on for a long time.
00:27:34.820 I don't even know, because I, I basically just lost track of time.
00:27:37.920 It was a very intense situation.
00:27:40.000 And after a while, I went up to one of the un-uniformed officers, and, uh, and I said, look, uh, let me just level with you.
00:27:48.600 And he actually, he understood English on a fairly decent level, and so I spoke very simply to him.
00:27:53.900 And I said, look, I am the one you're looking for, and can I turn myself in, and you let everyone go?
00:28:00.920 And he was like, he, I think he understood me.
00:28:03.300 And he was like, no, no, no, I don't make deals, uh, but, you know, turn yourself in.
00:28:08.380 And so I basically thought, like, this is the best strategy.
00:28:11.820 I, you know, I'm the one they're after.
00:28:14.320 It, it would be much, you know, there's a chance that they would just take me in and let everyone else go.
00:28:19.320 Because the, the idea that I would get 25 people arrested in a foreign country was, you know, it was weighing on me.
00:28:27.420 And so I was thinking, like, look, and I did it, and it actually worked, um, with, uh, with, with one exception.
00:28:34.200 Someone else who also suffered a little bit, uh, but he was a very tough guy.
00:28:38.420 He was very, a good sport about it, uh, tougher than me in a way.
00:28:41.800 But, um, but anyway, once I turned myself in, everyone was let go.
00:28:46.000 So all of the people who were there were able to go to the conference the next day.
00:28:50.180 And, uh, and thus began the, uh, this saga.
00:28:54.900 Um, I was basically driven, driven around and, um, with these cops.
00:29:02.160 I was always surrounded by a detail of these, these policemen.
00:29:06.520 And, um, you know, just some funny anecdotes.
00:29:09.720 I, I, I remember, uh, when, when it first started happening, I, I, I told, and, and it was clear that I was, you know, I was never arrested until a lot long later.
00:29:20.980 But I was basically captured.
00:29:22.640 I don't know the right legal term for it.
00:29:25.340 Um, you know, I was apprehended, not, never told why I was apprehended and never told, uh, you know, what a charge might be or anything like that.
00:29:33.080 But I was effectively captured.
00:29:34.600 So you didn't scream, am I being detained?
00:29:37.920 No.
00:29:39.140 Do you have a warrant?
00:29:40.560 You know. 1.00
00:29:41.060 I'm not good at being a, uh, an annoying victim asshole. 1.00
00:29:47.400 Well, and also, you know, who knows what the fucking law is in that country anyway. 0.99
00:29:51.580 Read me my Miranda rights. 0.98
00:29:53.000 Exactly.
00:29:54.360 You win hungry now.
00:29:56.160 You have no rights.
00:30:00.060 Uh, yeah, but, you know, uh, I, I remember telling one of them, I was like, look, uh, and, and he was one, cause he actually spoke English really well.
00:30:09.560 And again, you can, when you, you can speak in a really dumbed down kind of English and communicate with people.
00:30:15.240 And I, and I, I told one of them, I was like, look, I'm not going to fight you.
00:30:18.760 Okay.
00:30:19.800 Uh, and basically what I was doing, I hope this, I hope I don't sound like a wimp.
00:30:23.780 I was basically kind of telling them like, look, you guys don't need to, uh, you know, uh, beat me up or, uh, club me.
00:30:32.260 You know, I'm not, I'm not going to fight you.
00:30:34.380 It's okay.
00:30:35.300 But I, I actually didn't need to do that because as I was saying, the police officers were just, you know, they were kind of like a bunch of 20 year olds, uh, just doing a job.
00:30:48.120 Like, I don't think they had the passion to, uh, to go beat up dissidents.
00:30:54.340 You know, I, I just, they, they would rather like, you know, they would just rather the whole night be over with and they could, you know, go back and drink beer or their girlfriend or whatever.
00:31:05.400 They, they just were not, they were not very passionate about their job.
00:31:08.960 And I'm sure they were a little bit confused of, you know, why are we arresting this man, uh, who doesn't seem to be much of a threat?
00:31:15.880 A bunch of them didn't even know what, who they were, you know, they didn't.
00:31:19.600 You said they didn't even know what they were doing.
00:31:22.100 They didn't.
00:31:22.760 No, I, I thought that it was funny cause I was, there was another person who was with me, um, for, for a little bit.
00:31:29.020 He was actually subsequently released.
00:31:30.700 Um, but he, he was kind of playing this, I, he was playing the card of like, look, uh, you know, if, in 1956, if we were alive, we would have crossed the ocean to help you.
00:31:42.980 Like we, Hungary stands for freedom.
00:31:45.380 He, he was in a way, I think, trying to appeal to, you know, intellectually appeal to them saying like, why are you doing this?
00:31:52.020 You, you know, you're, you're acting like a, like a caricature of a communist.
00:31:56.120 You're, you're arresting a dissident.
00:31:57.620 But as it turned out, I think all of those words were wasted because the, the, the, the cops, the young cops just had no earthly idea what was going on.
00:32:06.560 And, uh, and I learned this later.
00:32:08.220 It was actually probably around five in the morning when I was, again, never, not quite arrested and, never arrested and not told why.
00:32:17.080 Um, one of the guys was looking, was he, they had seen my paperwork and they were looking this up on the iPhone, on his cell phone, you know, smartphone.
00:32:27.620 And he, he, he read the interview that I gave, um, uh, you know, at the end, uh, with this liberal paper.
00:32:36.180 And he was kind of like, oh, you know, this is whom we're arresting.
00:32:40.980 And, uh, and then they started joking around, uh, you know, obviously in, in Hungary and, you know, uh, various, uh, uh, Roman salutes were given and.
00:32:54.020 Nice.
00:32:54.500 And jokes about gypsies, which I didn't quite get, but, you know, basically what I'm saying is, you know, the cops, I wish they hadn't arrested me, but, you know, they, they were just a bunch of kids basically. 1.00
00:33:08.560 Yeah.
00:33:08.960 Uh, you know, not, they didn't have any malintent and they, they never, uh, they, they certainly never abused me.
00:33:16.180 So anyway, um, uh, you know, this, this went on and, um, uh, it, it was effectively, I was shuttled between bureaucracies for hours on end.
00:33:28.720 I was given a lot of paperwork that I was first refusing to sign because I did not know what it was, but after a while I was like, okay, I'll just sign it.
00:33:39.060 I was given a lot of paperwork, all of it in Magyar in Hungarian, uh, which is, of course, uh, it, it gave it, as I, as I wrote to a certain journalist, it gave it this Kafka-esque quality.
00:33:51.640 I was being shuttled between various bureaucracies and given paperwork in a language that was totally incomprehensible.
00:34:00.440 And it, it did feel a little bit like I was in, um, uh, you know, some Kafka story or a, or, or a horrible, you know, uh, dystopian movie.
00:34:11.600 What you don't realize is that you actually signed a confession.
00:34:14.140 You are actually personally responsible for the Holocaust. 0.98
00:34:18.840 They've been looking for you for a very long time, sir.
00:34:21.640 Ooh, I, I hope I didn't do that.
00:34:24.000 I, I'll, I'll have to call my lawyer friend to get me out of that one.
00:34:27.480 Uh, but who knows?
00:34:30.920 Um, but you know, it w it was, it was interesting.
00:34:33.900 I, you know, the, the cops who were the, uh, who were, they're kind of kids.
00:34:38.440 I don't think they had any malintent.
00:34:40.080 I think they were just kind of joking around and, um, and you know, it was interesting.
00:34:44.440 I won't mention these people because I don't, I don't want to, you know, jeopardize their employment.
00:34:51.640 But, um, a number of people whom I encountered within the, you know, uh, penal and, uh, bureaucratic
00:35:00.100 and immigration system of Hungary, um, they, they expressed to me their sympathy.
00:35:06.140 And, you know, that doesn't mean that they agree with me or they're, they wanted to go listen
00:35:11.040 to an Alexander Dugan lecture or a Jared Taylor lecture, but I, they, they did express their 0.96
00:35:16.260 sympathy of, of kind of, you know, effectively what the fuck, you know, why are we arresting 0.98
00:35:21.720 you? 0.94
00:35:21.920 Um, and so that, that was actually quite heartening.
00:35:26.520 But, so anyway, I, uh, the night went on and, um, of, it was just endless and, uh, I, I was
00:35:36.020 finally, uh, sent to this, uh, you know, lower security, you know, uh, outpatient, so to
00:35:44.260 speak, uh, jail.
00:35:45.940 And, um, and so I, I finally got to sleep, you know, I, I, again, I probably nodded off
00:35:53.900 a few times, but, uh, it, it was, uh, it was pretty, uh, a lot of, a lot of sleep deprivation.
00:36:00.200 It was, it was pretty, uh, um, I don't know if anyone's ever suffered that, but it's, uh,
00:36:05.160 not fun to do a good 36 hours or something without sleep, but you weren't waterboarded
00:36:11.840 or anything.
00:36:12.260 So we're, we're, uh, I, I can't talk about what was done.
00:36:18.260 No, no, no torture.
00:36:19.840 Uh, it was sleep deprivation.
00:36:22.020 Uh, no torture.
00:36:23.440 Yeah.
00:36:23.780 I don't know what they would have gotten out of me.
00:36:26.000 You know, I, I'll talk, I'll talk.
00:36:29.480 That confession we were talking about earlier.
00:36:33.140 Someone has to confess.
00:36:35.160 I was behind the, uh, Soviet crackdown in 1956 or something.
00:36:40.140 Yes.
00:36:40.760 Uh, but anyway, yeah, no, there was nothing to confess.
00:36:45.680 And, and I was finally arrested and, you know, cuffed and all that kind of stuff.
00:36:50.080 And, um, uh, and, and then.
00:36:52.900 They didn't cuff you until they'd been driving around with you for hours and hours.
00:36:56.320 Yeah, they didn't cuff me.
00:36:57.740 Yeah.
00:36:58.200 Yeah.
00:36:58.360 It was, it was just very strange because remember cuffing really is an arrest and I was never
00:37:03.280 arrested.
00:37:04.600 Um, I don't know what the laws are.
00:37:06.560 I, I think you can actually capture the police in the United States.
00:37:10.380 The police can capture someone for a period of time.
00:37:14.700 Uh, I can't imagine it's the 12 hours or however long I was captured.
00:37:20.160 Um, but yes, I was, I was finally arrested and, uh, and then finally, you know, imprisoned.
00:37:28.240 And, um, uh, you know, anyway, it, it just, you know, the prison again, not that bad.
00:37:35.480 Uh, I don't recommend it.
00:37:37.480 Don't, can't recommend the food.
00:37:38.960 It was kind of funny.
00:37:40.420 I, um, just to give a little bit of, you know, kind of almost color.
00:37:44.640 Uh, when I was there the first morning, uh, there, you know, a lot of, a lot of foreign 1.00
00:37:50.760 people, you know, in this little place and they, I was just, you know, I was probably like
00:37:55.460 the last one to get into the, the little kitchen mess hall thing and they were all eating cheese
00:38:01.620 and sausage.
00:38:02.580 And I was like, Oh wow, this looks pretty good.
00:38:04.560 Like, yeah.
00:38:05.540 So I go up and this woman hands me this plastic plate that looks like has a big pile of cat 0.99
00:38:12.280 food on it.
00:38:13.520 I was like, Oh my God.
00:38:16.840 Americans don't get cheese and sausage.
00:38:19.560 No, it was rank has its privileges.
00:38:21.720 It was seniority.
00:38:22.900 So they're like, Oh, they've, they've been here longer.
00:38:25.060 I was like, Jesus.
00:38:27.120 You have to join the gang.
00:38:30.440 So anyway, I think it was some kind of pate, like.
00:38:34.560 It was sliver.
00:38:35.920 Oh, it was, it was in the shape of a can.
00:38:39.600 So it was like this brown.
00:38:41.800 Again, it looks like cat food.
00:38:44.220 It was this just people pate is what you're telling me.
00:38:47.780 Poor people pate.
00:38:51.840 The caviar here.
00:38:53.900 The crackers were terrible.
00:39:00.220 Supermarket caviar.
00:39:01.180 I couldn't even order a Bollinger.
00:39:05.380 It was just a, no, it was, I, I, no, that looked like the most horrible food I've ever
00:39:12.280 seen.
00:39:12.740 I just found it at some level.
00:39:14.720 I just found all of this funny.
00:39:16.960 And so, you know, they had plenty of bread there.
00:39:19.940 I just had some bread, some, they give us this, you know, tea.
00:39:25.000 And, you know, again, I, I, I knew that I was going to get out of there.
00:39:30.380 You know, they don't want me there.
00:39:32.540 They, you know, they, they want to get me, they want to send Richard Spencer on his way.
00:39:37.800 So I, I knew that that was going to happen.
00:39:39.540 So to be honest, at some point you just start laughing about stuff.
00:39:43.420 Oh, that was another thing.
00:39:44.660 It was actually when I was in the immigration office, when I was finally told what, what
00:39:49.280 was going on.
00:39:49.960 And they said, there's been a travel ban, so on and so forth.
00:39:53.300 They asked me whether I knew people like, you know, all this kind of stuff.
00:39:57.100 And they said that the prime minister has declared you a national security threat.
00:40:02.920 And at that point, I just started laughing.
00:40:06.300 There was nothing else to do.
00:40:08.760 It was just, it was so almost like obviously Orwellian.
00:40:12.800 You know, it was, I was expecting next, like, you know, one plus one equals three or something. 0.91
00:40:17.900 It was just so, it was, it was truly ridiculous. 0.85
00:40:22.480 Right. 0.86
00:40:24.460 Anyway.
00:40:25.780 So anyway, what, what other questions I was, what, what other questions do you have in
00:40:30.940 a way?
00:40:31.160 Like what, have you ever been to prison, Jack?
00:40:34.780 Me?
00:40:35.300 No, I, I did a little bit in juvenile hall for like a weekend or a week or something like
00:40:42.420 that when I was a kid.
00:40:43.400 But that's about, that's about the extent. 0.95
00:40:45.220 So you're, you're a complete wimp is what you're saying, basically. 1.00
00:40:47.420 I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm a total pussy, obviously. 1.00
00:40:50.200 So that's, that's, you know, if you haven't been to prison, you don't even know what's 1.00
00:40:53.520 up.
00:40:53.920 Yeah.
00:40:54.680 That's, you know, that's, so, uh, yeah, no, I, I, I have managed to avoid prison thus
00:41:00.400 far.
00:41:00.940 Uh, so, uh, but don't never say never.
00:41:05.000 Right.
00:41:06.800 Up in Portland, it's probably fairly genteel, but, uh, or I don't know.
00:41:11.680 Maybe not.
00:41:11.960 Yeah.
00:41:12.060 It's pretty chill.
00:41:12.740 I think from what I, what I understand, I've actually made some deliveries to prisons
00:41:16.700 and, and, and delivered them some nice new exercise equipment, uh, back in the day when
00:41:21.560 I was doing that.
00:41:22.340 So I, I've got to hang out with, you know, they seemed, they seemed pretty cool.
00:41:26.160 Yeah.
00:41:26.460 Uh, you know, I mean, Oregon, you know, Oregon is, is a pretty white state. 0.97
00:41:30.040 So, you know, it was basically just a bunch of white dudes hanging out, but it was, I would 0.89
00:41:35.260 have fit right in.
00:41:36.200 I mean, it's a bunch of white tattooed guys.
00:41:38.240 Yeah.
00:41:38.440 So, I mean, that's, uh, uh, uh, you know, that's, uh, not too bad for me.
00:41:43.320 Um, yeah.
00:41:43.960 I quickly tattooed a swastika on my forehead just so I, I would fit in. 0.99
00:41:49.200 I look forward to seeing all the photos of that.
00:41:51.540 Uh, I'm sure they'll be featured in your next salon magazine interview.
00:42:01.680 That's your new look.
00:42:04.180 The Charlie Manson 2.0.
00:42:06.040 Right.
00:42:06.620 Yeah.
00:42:06.820 Let's do something witchy. 0.68
00:42:08.440 Yeah.
00:42:08.820 Just a bad and a, just a Patagonia fleece sweater.
00:42:13.420 That would just look great.
00:42:14.940 Yeah.
00:42:17.720 Some bizarre combination.
00:42:19.740 Yeah.
00:42:21.840 Richard's really got on, gone off the deep end this time.
00:42:24.740 Yeah.
00:42:25.880 You know, like they're looking for a new aesthetic.
00:42:28.600 I mean, it has to be, yeah, like what's going to follow hipsterism?
00:42:33.660 You know, really?
00:42:34.440 That is a good question.
00:42:36.020 Um, yeah.
00:42:36.480 Well, you know, prison, uh, we're on a real tangent here.
00:42:39.480 Prison starts more styles than you might think, you know?
00:42:42.780 Well, yeah.
00:42:43.240 I mean, the, the pants falling down thing that we, yeah.
00:42:45.880 Pants falling down.
00:42:46.740 I think blue jeans.
00:42:47.420 You probably have like a Reagan era drug laws or whatever to, to, to thank for that.
00:42:51.360 Right.
00:42:52.300 Yes.
00:42:54.020 You know?
00:42:55.560 Yeah.
00:42:56.180 Yeah.
00:42:56.420 Yeah.
00:42:56.800 Yeah.
00:42:57.060 I'm sure many sexual practices have been developed, uh, in, in, behind bars as well.
00:43:05.020 That, that is likely.
00:43:07.040 Yeah.
00:43:08.280 Uh, but any, anyway, uh, yeah, no, the, my, again, the, the people there, there was, um,
00:43:16.120 some Asians, uh, who claimed, uh, it was one Vietnamese guy who, uh, been there months,
00:43:21.880 uh, he, uh, he said that he was just a delivery man.
00:43:25.300 I know everyone's innocent in, in prison, but.
00:43:27.720 Of course.
00:43:28.100 Uh, he said he was just a delivery man who, um, was driving a, a, a truck across the border
00:43:33.980 and, you know, lo and behold, there was a hundred kilos of cocaine or something.
00:43:39.720 Um, uh, but he had actually served his time and, uh, was, you know, about to get out.
00:43:45.200 Uh, you know, he was a nice guy.
00:43:47.560 Again, I would, they didn't put me in some, they didn't put me in a dungeon or anything.
00:43:51.780 It was people who would, were totally nonviolent and, uh, were expecting to get out.
00:43:57.820 So, you know, they're not.
00:43:58.420 I mean, it's kind of interesting.
00:43:59.240 There's a lot of Vietnamese guys.
00:44:00.600 That's kind of unexpected.
00:44:02.560 It, it is.
00:44:03.840 Uh, it's definitely not what I would have expected.
00:44:05.880 He, he said he actually lived in, um, outside Bratislava or something.
00:44:10.640 It just, yeah.
00:44:12.140 This is the 2014 Vietnamese are in, you know, Slovakia. 0.66
00:44:16.940 I mean, uh, what's going on there?
00:44:20.460 Yeah.
00:44:21.120 It's still to this day blows my mind that there are Chinese Mexicans.
00:44:25.360 Chinese Mexicans. 0.55
00:44:26.400 That's interesting.
00:44:27.360 Wow.
00:44:27.640 Well, I mean, I mean, if you think about it, I mean, it's like, like you said, obviously
00:44:30.580 you go to Budapest and there's Vietnamese guys.
00:44:32.480 I mean, obviously there are Chinese people in Mexico that are Chinese Mexicans.
00:44:37.240 They're running Chinese restaurants in Mexico.
00:44:40.580 So, so the Mexicans coming off our border could be Chinese.
00:44:43.980 Uh, you know, I mean, it's just kind of funny cause you never would expect that cause you
00:44:47.740 just think of Mexicans as being one group of people, but, uh, like everywhere else, everywhere
00:44:52.760 else is kind of, uh, you know, a globalized in the way that we are.
00:44:57.380 Yeah.
00:44:58.100 So, yeah, no, it's, um, we're going to have to kind of shake it up and put it all back together
00:45:05.100 again.
00:45:05.460 But, um, it's going to be a lot of work, but anyway, um, it's, uh, you know, I, I don't
00:45:11.760 know.
00:45:12.020 I mean, it's, it was an interesting weekend.
00:45:14.400 I, I, I certainly, I'm very happy that, um, in a way the, the organizers paid the price.
00:45:22.460 Um, actually William Regnery too was expelled.
00:45:26.200 He, he actually was put into a, uh, somewhat of a nicer place than I was, but just for a
00:45:31.440 night, he, he was flying in, um, you know, effectively the police had gotten a hold of
00:45:36.680 his name.
00:45:37.500 I, I would, I would assume through, through the hotel.
00:45:40.740 I guess I didn't mention this.
00:45:41.900 There, there's so much to this story.
00:45:43.340 I don't even know where to start, but the, the police basically discovered where the venues
00:45:47.140 were and they went to the venues and shook them down.
00:45:49.700 They made them cancel and they took information from them.
00:45:54.060 So they learned when Bill was going to arrive and they apprehended him, put him in a, a kind
00:46:00.900 of cell and then, uh, send him out the next morning.
00:46:04.240 And, um, you know, again, uh, I don't even know exactly how they discovered where we were
00:46:09.820 at the pub.
00:46:11.140 Um, you know, a lot of different possibilities.
00:46:14.540 I don't know if they were surveilling us in some way.
00:46:18.200 I don't know if they might've registered for the conference and continue to play along
00:46:22.880 like saying, oh, I'm going to come and so on and so forth.
00:46:25.940 Um, there's sadly the possibility that someone might be, uh, you know, an, uh, an enemy kind
00:46:32.640 of within someone who, uh, you know, was registering for the conference and giving information out
00:46:39.940 to the police.
00:46:40.780 There are a lot of different possibilities, uh, but, you know, clearly they, they really
00:46:46.700 took this seriously and they wanted to, uh, they did not want us to, um, uh, to do this.
00:46:53.180 Uh, they took it a lot more seriously than I thought they, they would.
00:46:56.340 I, I, I knew that there was the risk of this, but I, I certainly never thought that they would
00:47:02.180 be this, uh, vigilant, you know, almost, you know, secret police link in, in trying to find
00:47:11.780 us out.
00:47:12.580 And, um, but again, I'm very happy.
00:47:14.800 I was willing to, I was very willing to, you know, take this risk.
00:47:19.500 I was willing to go to prison.
00:47:20.980 I was willing to do this.
00:47:22.320 So I'm glad in a way I could take the hit.
00:47:24.380 Um, I would have, I would have truly felt terrible if, you know, many others and, um, you know,
00:47:32.400 you've got to be doing this.
00:47:33.480 I've, I've, you use your own name when you write.
00:47:36.100 I deeply respect that.
00:47:38.120 I use my own name unless something I write is bad and then I put someone else's name.
00:47:45.380 Which is a kind of cowardliness, which is a kind of cowardliness in its, in a way.
00:47:52.460 Uh, but, um, you know, you, you, once you, once you do this and you decide that you're
00:47:59.260 serious about it, you do, you do have to, you know, there, there, there, there's going
00:48:03.700 to be pain.
00:48:04.540 There's going to be consequences.
00:48:05.860 There's going to be suffering.
00:48:07.700 And, um, again, that's not for everyone.
00:48:10.220 And I'm not, I'm not trying to say like anyone who uses a pseudonym is a wimp or whatever.
00:48:15.220 I, I totally understand what they're doing.
00:48:17.480 And I, and I think that, you know, people should, um, should, should really, before they
00:48:23.320 jump into something like this, they should think very long and hard about it and understand
00:48:28.540 that there are consequences.
00:48:29.960 I mean, I, in a way, this is a good, this whole episode was illustrative of that in the
00:48:34.480 sense that, um, we're at a point where we might get arrested.
00:48:38.960 Well, and I think that's a big takeaway from this and, and that's what, uh, the Hungarian 0.99
00:48:46.700 government really, I mean, as you mentioned, I mean, they, you know, are really no better
00:48:53.240 than anyone else, um, and were no more just or even probably more fascistic than, than other
00:48:59.400 people in the, in the vulgar way of using that word.
00:49:02.420 But, uh, you know, they really demonstrated how hypocritical the West has become in terms
00:49:11.040 of, um, you know, free speech, free speech. 0.77
00:49:14.480 Oh, except for you.
00:49:15.400 Yeah.
00:49:16.660 Um, you know, and it's how, how the Western values that they claim to be defending and trying
00:49:25.220 to spread throughout the world to places like, you know, Afghanistan and so forth are how degraded
00:49:31.120 they are internally and how, and how, uh, they cannot stand up to criticism and they can,
00:49:37.440 you know, in kind of a marketplace of ideas, um, you know, they're afraid of people, you
00:49:44.940 know, who would say something that people might actually agree with.
00:49:47.640 Yeah.
00:49:48.220 You know, that they, something that could be seen as sensible.
00:49:51.400 I mean, obviously, you know, we read all these stories all the time about, uh, Europe and, 0.80
00:49:56.220 you know, women getting raped by Muslims and, and everyone, but no one can say anything 1.00
00:50:00.720 because of the laws. 0.99
00:50:01.820 Yeah.
00:50:02.320 And you have this kind of under, undercurrent of people who are angry about those kinds of
00:50:08.380 issues and they know that they can't speak up and the penalties in America, they're just
00:50:14.160 social penalties and financial penalties.
00:50:16.960 Mm-hmm.
00:50:17.640 Uh, but, uh, clearly in Europe, I mean, you couldn't not, you really can't call it any kind
00:50:22.020 of free society.
00:50:24.280 No.
00:50:24.720 Um, and I think that they've exposed themselves as, as, you know, as you said, kind of the
00:50:29.680 Hungarian government is really just kind of probably sucking up to somebody else.
00:50:33.620 Um, you know, so they're kind of exposing themselves as being kind of tools and, uh, you
00:50:39.820 know, I mean, it kind of shows the state that it kind of, I think, gives all these issues
00:50:45.640 more weight, um, and saying that, you know, they're not just, you know, you get accused
00:50:50.800 of whining, you know, your privilege, whining about your privilege, like, uh, your white 0.53
00:50:57.240 privilege. 0.98
00:50:57.740 Okay.
00:50:58.100 Except for whenever I talk about being white, I go to jail, you know, I mean, it kind of gives
00:51:03.100 weight to the, it's something that could have been seen as whining before is now like,
00:51:07.740 could be seen as legitimate, you know, the start of legitimate oppression.
00:51:11.960 Yeah.
00:51:12.460 You know, it's funny.
00:51:13.160 I, I think you might've even been on the podcast.
00:51:15.680 It was like a New Year's Eve podcast and, uh, Roman Bernard, uh, predicted that we would
00:51:21.420 actually see the first steps towards political oppression and not just this kind of social
00:51:26.380 ostracism that we all know about, um, where you get written up on the SPLC or some other
00:51:32.640 journalist and then people don't want to talk to you and blah, blah, blah, or, you know,
00:51:37.160 and obviously if you're working in a corporation or a law firm, you're going to be fired.
00:51:40.400 Um, but yeah, I mean, we might be kind of moving towards, towards something else, towards
00:51:46.740 something that that's, that's a little bit realer.
00:51:49.120 And I think also like, you know, if we're not pissing off, you know, the daily caller
00:51:56.720 or salon.com or these governments, we, we're, we're doing it wrong.
00:52:03.360 Like, I, I think, again, I don't, I don't think we should be these just sacrificial lambs 0.96
00:52:08.840 where, you know, we just, you know, damn the torpedoes, you know, we just walk into 0.94
00:52:13.940 the line of fire, you know, things like this. 0.82
00:52:16.940 I, I definitely do not recommend that. 1.00
00:52:19.320 That's stupid. 0.98
00:52:20.980 Uh, I, I think we should try to, you know, avoid confrontations that we're just simply 1.00
00:52:26.080 going to lose.
00:52:27.640 Uh, but, you know, at the same time, you know, I'm sure at some point Hungary has 1.00
00:52:33.560 hosted a geocentrism conference or, you know, or, uh, uh, some other thing, a flat earth
00:52:42.000 society or something that is kind of ridiculous and that most modern people think is, you know,
00:52:48.380 from the past, but no one would crack down upon that.
00:52:52.060 You know, I, I think people think that that is merely wrong.
00:52:55.440 Uh, but, you know, when, I think we, we need to do things that people are going to crack
00:53:00.520 down upon or unless, or we're not doing it because, you know, if, if we ever do stuff
00:53:05.280 that in a way people don't like salon magazine, salon.com or some government that they don't
00:53:10.940 care about, I think that's when we're part of the system and we're just some kind of
00:53:16.020 little eccentric part of the system.
00:53:18.560 I mean, I don't remember Paul, I'll let you talk, but I remember Paul Gottfried would
00:53:21.940 always joke about this, that he would go to these conservative conferences and he would
00:53:26.700 meet these people who are like, oh, well, I'm this kind of liturgical Catholic.
00:53:31.500 I mean, I, I'm the most conservative person you could conceivably imagine.
00:53:36.320 I quote this Pope from, you know, 14th century and I blah, blah, blah.
00:53:41.680 And, you know, again, not, not that that kind of stuff isn't conservative to a degree and
00:53:48.060 not that he doesn't sincerely believe it, he, he might, but at some level he's a kind
00:53:52.700 of eccentric fuddy-duddy, you know, he's not really challenging anything.
00:53:57.640 I mean, the, the system can totally absorb him and just treat him as like, oh, just one
00:54:03.540 more, uh, exit, you know, eccentric lifestyle choice.
00:54:08.500 Um, but, you know, why can they not do that with us?
00:54:12.340 You know, why, why was it that when I was in the immigration office, they were like, you
00:54:16.140 know, do you, do you know Alexander Dugan?
00:54:19.520 You know, he, he pissed them off.
00:54:21.180 Why is it that just, just talking about European unity and the reality of race, the, the, the
00:54:27.760 meaning of race, why is that scaring these people?
00:54:31.700 And, you know, again, I, I, I think we just, we, we always need to be doing it.
00:54:36.180 We, we always need to be pushing at that point that, that brings out the, the fear and angst
00:54:42.500 and, and, and hysteria in our enemies and in the system.
00:54:46.560 We, we, we need to locate that point and just keep pressing.
00:54:50.920 Yeah.
00:54:51.420 Well, one of the things that when I saw this happened, you know, there've been a lot of
00:54:54.840 discussions and so forth online about, uh, you know, the value of intellectuals and, and
00:54:59.560 so forth and you see this from time to time.
00:55:02.680 And, uh, you know, I, I, I, when I reposted the story, I'm like, you know, I've been to
00:55:08.760 the last MPI conference.
00:55:10.640 Yeah.
00:55:11.300 You know, basically it's people giving speeches and having coffee.
00:55:14.620 Yeah.
00:55:14.980 You know, I mean that this, this is what's really going down.
00:55:17.500 Yeah.
00:55:17.680 I mean, obviously, I mean, it's, it's really all these conferences, if you go to them and
00:55:21.400 they're, they're really, you know, yes, we're giving speeches, but really it's just a
00:55:25.820 chance for these people to get together and talk and network and so forth.
00:55:28.740 And, you know, the speeches are kind of a framework in which that happens.
00:55:32.040 And, uh, you know, the idea that a bunch of bookworms really are going to get together
00:55:38.720 in a room and say some words and drink some coffee and chit chat for a while.
00:55:47.020 The idea that that has to be cracked down on, uh, really is, is really profound.
00:55:52.920 And it also speaks to the, how important saying some words and reading some books can
00:55:58.020 be.
00:55:58.960 Oh yeah, totally.
00:56:00.000 I, I, I totally agree.
00:56:01.740 And I don't, again, I'm, I'm not against activism, but I, I remember I was at a, at a
00:56:06.620 conference and it was one of these word and coffee get together.
00:56:11.280 And, uh, I think you were there in fact, and there was some person who, again, I don't
00:56:16.660 have any problem with really, but he was like, you know, we're actually doing stuff and,
00:56:22.140 you know, we don't just talk, we do it.
00:56:23.740 And it was all this implied criticism that, you know, all of us were, we're not really
00:56:29.540 doing something because we're not holding up a sign on the side of the highway or something.
00:56:35.240 And I just felt like that, that was just, you know, again, I'm not against activism,
00:56:39.220 but I felt that that was so wrong.
00:56:41.040 You know, words have power and, you know, words, you know, in a kind of, as I'm thinking
00:56:50.620 of Heidegger now, cause I've just been editing his book, but, you know, words are a way that
00:56:54.820 we access being and the way that we access meaning.
00:56:58.940 And that is in a way that that's much, it's, it's so much more powerful than people believe.
00:57:04.460 And I agree, yeah, we don't want to do stuff that's just, you know, where we're arguing
00:57:08.740 about how many angels can fit onto the head of a pen or, or, or, or that kind of stuff.
00:57:14.400 But I, I think we, we should never underestimate the, the power of words.
00:57:19.160 I mean, we have all, we're all doing the stuff that we're doing because of words.
00:57:25.460 Oh, well, the left, I mean, that has been all about commandeering words for, for the past,
00:57:30.520 you know, several decades at least, you know, I mean, it's all about what word are we going
00:57:35.200 to use for this minority?
00:57:36.360 What word are we going to use for, you know, what does rape mean today?
00:57:42.360 You know, I mean, so many things, you know, the words, changing definitions of things has
00:57:48.060 been huge.
00:57:49.120 Oh my gosh.
00:57:50.280 You know, I mean, that's, that's really, and you talk about like the way you're allowed
00:57:54.720 to talk about, you know, like all the codes that they edit things for them in the newspapers
00:58:00.000 and so forth.
00:58:00.940 You know, like, you know, the, the change of when, you know, there was homosexuality and 0.99
00:58:07.160 then that was, that's a taboo word, you know, unless you use it in a certain context, like
00:58:12.100 a historical context, they're supposed to be, say, gay now, because that's the word
00:58:16.940 that we're going to use. 0.75
00:58:17.940 That's the euphemism that we're going to use to describe this thing.
00:58:21.820 And the same thing happened.
00:58:23.040 I mean, it's happening with transgender now, like you used to, you know, this man is going 1.00
00:58:27.840 to cut off his penis and he's going to be a man in a dress. 1.00
00:58:30.360 No, now it's a she, you know, they're, they're, by using changing the words, they're actually 0.99
00:58:36.120 transforming that person, you know, more than the surgery could do.
00:58:40.040 Yeah.
00:58:40.160 And, you know, so, I mean, commandeering those words, I think is really, really important
00:58:44.420 and it can't be underestimated.
00:58:47.000 Oh yeah, I, I totally agree.
00:58:48.920 I mean, I, I just, little things, I was thinking about using the term Native American, just,
00:58:54.760 you know, calling someone a certain thing changes who they are.
00:58:58.320 Yeah.
00:58:58.560 African-American.
00:58:59.560 African-American is a change. 1.00
00:59:00.760 Yeah.
00:59:01.040 Yeah.
00:59:01.380 All that stuff.
00:59:02.360 I mean, we've been, they've been doing that for years and kind of controlling how we're
00:59:06.240 allowed to talk about that.
00:59:07.220 It's so much, there's so much etiquette involved is what they're changing is, that
00:59:11.800 makes, creates new social norms.
00:59:13.700 Yeah.
00:59:14.400 And so what we, you know, these people having, you know, giving speeches and drinking coffee
00:59:20.040 are really challenging the norms that they're trying to institutionalize and the way they're
00:59:27.380 educating the public, you know.
00:59:28.820 So, I mean, I think that's, that's what's important.
00:59:30.860 And the other thing is that when you talk about what kind of activism matters and what
00:59:36.240 kind of talk matters, I mean, I've, I've kind of realized this in my own writing and
00:59:42.520 dealing with other people, it's that, you know, the same discussion can happen on multiple
00:59:48.680 levels.
00:59:50.480 And, you know, there, there are people who write for this audience and I might write for
00:59:56.280 the audience, you know, there's the people who write for other college professors, you
01:00:01.500 know, and then there's, you know, a few different levels of discourse that can happen and you're
01:00:06.600 reaching different people.
01:00:08.520 And so, you know, if you, you know, you might be talking to, you know, other people who are
01:00:14.580 highly organized, other people who are, you know, involved in, you know, who read Evola
01:00:19.980 and are in a certain kind of, you know, thought process.
01:00:25.060 Whereas, you know, like, you know, my audience is somewhat different.
01:00:29.260 You know, I talk to those guys, but I can also talk to a bunch of other guys that wouldn't
01:00:32.420 necessarily be cued into what you're saying.
01:00:35.200 But, you know, we all can write at different levels and, you know, speak at different levels
01:00:40.200 and deal with different levels of the populace.
01:00:42.980 And I think that that's important for all these people to remember when they're having their
01:00:45.980 little divisive arguments about what's valuable and what's not valuable and whatever, it's
01:00:52.440 like, if you're really going to have any kind of society or movement, you need to speak to
01:00:55.880 all of those people.
01:00:57.040 Yeah.
01:00:57.660 Yeah.
01:00:58.160 And also, I do think, just because I'm an elitist snob, I think that capturing the intellectuals
01:01:07.920 is extremely important.
01:01:08.900 And the fact that the fact is the left has put a tremendous amount of value in capturing
01:01:14.240 elites.
01:01:14.700 And we should perhaps learn from that.
01:01:17.500 I think it's, in a way, the right that doesn't want to intellectualize things, in a way.
01:01:22.780 You know, I remember Alain de Benoit wrote an interesting essay that Romain Bernard translated,
01:01:30.460 and Romain has also talked about this in his own stuff.
01:01:33.340 But, you know, the right is always in crisis.
01:01:36.080 You know, it's kind of like, oh, my God, there's going to be an amnesty of illegal immigrants.
01:01:40.400 Goodness gracious.
01:01:41.140 It's just, we've got to mobilize the population.
01:01:44.060 And, you know, this is kind of how the right's always in this way.
01:01:48.320 Well, that's the conservative.
01:01:49.980 The conservative, yeah.
01:01:51.300 Yeah.
01:01:51.600 Yeah.
01:01:51.760 That's the conservative aspect.
01:01:52.860 But when you move to the revolutionary part, which is kind of more where we are now, because
01:01:57.760 there's nothing left to conserve.
01:01:58.920 So the next step is moving on, you know, like that's when creative energy happens.
01:02:04.460 Right.
01:02:04.880 And I think that's where the, in a way, the left was for a while.
01:02:07.540 I think currently the left is utterly bankrupt.
01:02:10.320 I mean, I don't know.
01:02:11.380 It's conservative.
01:02:12.280 It's conservative.
01:02:13.200 It's the status quo.
01:02:14.340 Yeah.
01:02:14.560 Absolutely.
01:02:14.800 I mean, there's nothing, I don't know, the, what's next?
01:02:19.980 I mean, it's just, there's, it's just nonsense.
01:02:22.640 And also, we've also revealed this degree to which a certain degree of leftism can be totally
01:02:28.760 integrated into global capitalism.
01:02:31.580 Oh, yeah.
01:02:32.040 I mean, I can see, you know, you can see this now that, you know, we're all care, we're
01:02:35.300 caring about making gays more bourgeois, like, oh, can they get married?
01:02:39.900 Can they get a mortgage?
01:02:41.140 You know, that's the real, you know.
01:02:43.380 That's what really matters.
01:02:44.420 Can a man and a man and a man and a man and a dog get a mortgage?
01:02:48.400 All apply for a loan together.
01:02:49.580 Yeah, all apply for a loan.
01:02:50.660 I want to live in a world, you know, where five lesbians who are married to Eskimo can 1.00
01:03:04.640 just walk into a mall and just buy whatever they want.
01:03:08.640 I mean, that's, I've got a dream, you know.
01:03:12.220 Yeah.
01:03:12.800 Oh, my God.
01:03:13.780 Yeah.
01:03:14.060 So, the left now, I would certainly agree, is totally bankrupt.
01:03:20.160 And I also agree that, you know, in this weird way, the left is the right, or the left
01:03:24.400 is the conservatives.
01:03:25.580 Oh, absolutely.
01:03:25.900 And, you know, and, you know, George Bush bombing Arab countries so that women can go 1.00
01:03:33.320 to get an undergraduate education.
01:03:35.040 I mean, we've reached this weird, horrible synthesis of, like, the worst aspects of the
01:03:41.720 left and right combined into a status quo.
01:03:45.220 So, you know, I think currently the left is bankrupt.
01:03:47.800 But, you know, the left, it might not have appealed to you and me, but the left was able to capture
01:03:55.520 people's imaginations.
01:03:57.240 You know, it was, we are the people, you know, if you're a true philosopher, you're a leftist.
01:04:02.000 If you're a true artist, you're a leftist.
01:04:04.760 If you want to understand not just a political policy, you want to understand history, the
01:04:09.900 meaning of history, where everything is headed, where it's all going, you're a leftist.
01:04:14.400 If you got beaten up in high school, you're a leftist.
01:04:16.980 Yeah, right.
01:04:19.820 Yeah, that seems like now where it all is.
01:04:22.080 It's all people with their spiritual wounds.
01:04:24.900 Yeah, right.
01:04:25.700 Now that's what it is.
01:04:26.900 I think if you got beaten up in high school, you're probably reading, like, rateexjournal.com
01:04:31.500 or Rossi or whatever. 0.88
01:04:34.280 Big, mean lesbian who just, it was just, who, you know, like, went through a girl spurt 1.00
01:04:41.000 early, you know, like, a 200-pound lesbian sat on you in the cafeteria. 1.00
01:04:46.140 That's our readership, basically. 0.96
01:04:47.620 Yeah. 0.97
01:04:48.960 75% of all donations come from men beaten up by lesbians. 0.98
01:04:54.380 Yeah. 0.88
01:04:56.000 We did some research, yeah.
01:04:57.620 No, I wouldn't be fully surprised if that were the case.
01:05:00.060 But, you know, it's coming, yeah.
01:05:03.720 You know, but it's kind of, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
01:05:06.180 Like, again, that was not true.
01:05:07.760 And there obviously was an artistic fascination around rightist movements, particularly the
01:05:14.260 revolutionary rightist movements in the, you know, 20s and 30s and things like that of
01:05:19.740 the last century.
01:05:20.540 But, and before that, certainly in the 19th century.
01:05:22.960 But at the same time, I mean, you know what I'm getting at.
01:05:26.400 There's this cliche for a reason that, you know, all the artists are left-wing.
01:05:30.540 All the, you know, people who are fascinated with history, oh, they're a bunch of leftist
01:05:34.740 academics.
01:05:35.580 And in a way, like, now that the left is bankrupt, we've got to capture, we've got to be that.
01:05:40.780 Absolutely.
01:05:40.960 And so, you know, I think, you know, we need people saying, I mean, it would be amazing
01:05:45.660 if one day this, like, oh, all those, all those artists, they're all racist.
01:05:49.540 You know, that would be a great achievement in the sense that we, we've actually captured
01:05:55.920 people's imagination.
01:05:57.560 Well, and that's the only way I can go, really, I think.
01:05:59.840 I mean, there's only so much inclusiveness that you can, you can, they can, you know,
01:06:06.540 excite people, you know, who creates creatively.
01:06:10.380 I mean, once you've gotten down to, you know, like we're drilling down to really absurd levels
01:06:14.880 of inclusiveness at this point.
01:06:16.800 And, you know, like, I mean, it's, it's to the point, it's really speeding up.
01:06:22.640 And, you know, it's, I think people become numb to it.
01:06:28.020 And I think that, you know, one of the real reasons why the left had all that creative
01:06:33.120 energy is because it had the energy of rebellion.
01:06:36.140 Yeah, yeah.
01:06:36.980 And, or at least the, you know, the cachet of rebellion, you know, but now it doesn't.
01:06:41.240 It really doesn't.
01:06:41.900 I mean, it tries to keep it.
01:06:43.500 They try and keep it like they're fighting the man.
01:06:45.900 I mean, I think I saw someone repost some article, like Obama saying that the Republican
01:06:53.020 Party is the party of billionaires, but everybody knows that every party is the party of billionaires.
01:06:57.900 You know, like, that's silliness.
01:07:00.240 You know, it's just, they're trying to hold on to this lie that they, you know, these,
01:07:04.340 you know, the left is for the people and everyone else is, you know, in globalist pockets.
01:07:08.680 But really, I think every, you know, all political parties outside of the ones that we're really
01:07:13.920 talking about are really in the pocket of, you know, the establishment.
01:07:19.320 Yeah.
01:07:19.720 Oh, without question.
01:07:21.040 Yeah.
01:07:21.180 But no, I, and I, in a way, I think we're, we're on the way.
01:07:27.240 I mean, I, I just, you know, I, I think it's, it's clear, like, you know, what other, what
01:07:34.160 other group is being cracked down upon outside of say, you know, terrorist or something, you
01:07:40.740 know, I mean.
01:07:41.100 Yeah.
01:07:41.300 Well, I mean, it's that great Voltaire quote, right?
01:07:43.420 You know, like, know who, who runs you by who you're not allowed to speak out against.
01:07:48.000 Yeah.
01:07:48.740 You know, and, you know, think that that's what's happening.
01:07:52.700 Yeah.
01:07:53.020 No, I, I think that's absolutely true.
01:07:55.780 Uh, so anyway, more, more arrests are in our future.
01:07:59.220 I, I, I don't know if we want to, I don't know if we want to wrap it up.
01:08:02.980 I, I, I wonder what is, what do you think about this question?
01:08:07.260 Because this is something that I'm really seriously considering, and that is, how could
01:08:12.080 we do a conference?
01:08:13.120 Because I, you know, in terms of doing a conference, conferences in the United States, I, and in
01:08:18.200 public ones, which I think is important.
01:08:20.120 And I don't, I don't have anything against private conferences.
01:08:22.880 I think those are great too.
01:08:24.420 And, you know, we've actually hosted a private conference, but, uh, but I think we've got
01:08:29.460 to be public.
01:08:30.300 We, we can't just be, uh, about ourselves.
01:08:34.000 Like, we, we, we've got to say, this is where we stand.
01:08:37.600 You know, this is what we believe.
01:08:39.940 So, and we, and we've got to treat ourselves as like, this is, you know, we, we, we're
01:08:43.320 not, uh, our, our, our views should not be, you know, hidden away.
01:08:48.720 Our, our views are for the best people out there.
01:08:52.540 And, um, so anyway, I don't even know, I don't know how to do this in Europe.
01:08:57.840 And, and maybe that's just simply the case of being, you know, we're, we're just Americans.
01:09:02.500 We're, we're disconnected.
01:09:03.540 I know there have been some, you know, there's, Arctos has done some identitarian ideas conferences
01:09:09.440 and they've done that in, in certain ways of, you know, having meetup points.
01:09:14.200 There was actually a major identitarian conference in France.
01:09:18.040 I was talking with, uh, Roman about, and, uh, and that was actually successful.
01:09:22.540 So I think it can be done.
01:09:24.200 Um, but, uh, you know, how.
01:09:26.840 Maybe Hungary was just too poorly. 0.98
01:09:28.440 I mean, it's, maybe it was too unstable as to, to not knowing how to work around it.
01:09:35.500 Yeah.
01:09:36.720 And also maybe a bigger country would be better, you know, like Hungary.
01:09:41.440 It was a, it was a, it's a, Hungary is a, I think a country of nine or 10 million people.
01:09:46.460 Um, and you know, it, maybe it was, it was kind of smaller with a, in a kind of bigger unit,
01:09:52.740 you can, you know, get away with some more things and in a way there's also a kind of
01:09:57.360 larger, uh, free speech establishment, you know, maybe France would be an interesting
01:10:02.620 place to do something.
01:10:05.260 Uh, despite the fact that there'd be a lot of leftist opposition, you know, maybe, you
01:10:10.520 know, that would be a way of doing it, but I simply don't know, but I am going to, we're
01:10:15.040 going to figure this out and we're going to probably, uh, obviously we do have a lot
01:10:18.640 of connections, uh, with Europeans and, um, so we just need to work with them and, and
01:10:24.740 figure it out.
01:10:25.340 Because again, I've gotten so much, I've gotten a lot of feedback and, um, with some notable
01:10:32.060 exceptions, it has been, uh, just very positive and, and, and also feedback from Europeans.
01:10:38.660 I mean, maybe the ones that don't like what we're doing haven't talked to me.
01:10:42.040 I mean, so I'm.
01:10:43.240 Right.
01:10:43.460 Well, I mean, that's, that's, we all live in a little bubble like that.
01:10:46.460 Right.
01:10:46.660 But at the same time, even just, uh, you know, the Europeans that were there, Europeans
01:10:51.080 that I was, I've, I've talked to who want to help out.
01:10:53.880 It's just, you know, they're very happy that this is happening and, uh, you know, very happy
01:10:59.060 that so many people can kind of meet for the first time.
01:11:04.200 Uh, so anyway.
01:11:06.000 Well, maybe that would be a feather in your cap.
01:11:07.460 I mean, either way, if I, I mean, it upgrades to, uh, I mean, okay.
01:11:11.400 I mean, you got the, basically with the prime minister of Hungary to speak your name
01:11:15.360 and anger, you know, but that's something, I mean, I mean, the next, I mean, like, you
01:11:22.740 know, it would take a lot of work for you to, for, for Barack Obama to denounce you to
01:11:28.080 be, to be, uh, to get that high on the radar, you know?
01:11:33.300 Um, and, uh, I mean, he denounces stuff all the time, but you know, that's an accomplishment.
01:11:39.520 Uh, you know, the same thing.
01:11:41.460 I mean, if you, you know, I mean, it'd be an interesting position if, if, uh, Le Pen
01:11:47.340 was in, you know, gained power and then was forced to denounce you, but I, I'm afraid
01:11:53.740 she might. 0.63
01:11:54.760 I'm, I think so.
01:11:55.780 So, I mean, probably heard the national is, um, really kind of not, uh, they're not whom
01:12:02.720 they're not what we wish they were and they're not what liberals say.
01:12:07.400 Unfortunately, they're not what their enemies think they are.
01:12:10.160 Well, yeah.
01:12:10.700 I mean, and then, and then at that point, then you expose them as kind of like a tea party,
01:12:14.500 you're like, uh, yeah, kind of a bought and paid for kind of establishment thing.
01:12:18.620 Um, but, uh, you know, I mean, that's a possibility too, you know, let me, uh, you know, it's,
01:12:23.060 you know, get, uh, if you could draw the attention that you drew in Hungary in, uh, France, I
01:12:31.360 mean, there's something going on.
01:12:33.660 Absolutely.
01:12:34.260 That would be quite amazing.
01:12:35.240 But, you know, again, I, of course, then you also actually want to be able to have the
01:12:38.440 conference.
01:12:39.280 Exactly.
01:12:39.520 I think if every conference we do get scuttled and, and I start being like, oh yeah, I went
01:12:45.080 to prison again, you know, that could be your job.
01:12:48.140 It's just going to prison.
01:12:48.960 Yeah.
01:12:49.180 I think that would start to get old after a while.
01:12:51.440 Absolutely.
01:12:51.880 I think, you know, we, we need to do one that's successful.
01:12:55.440 We, we can't, you know, this was fine because we were, you know, this is our first try, you
01:13:01.440 know, what we were doing was entirely legitimate.
01:13:03.360 And so we really generated a lot of goodwill.
01:13:06.600 I'm, I'm very happy about that, but we've got to, we've got to get it right.
01:13:10.960 Maybe do another one in America.
01:13:12.360 Maybe do another one in America to, to, to see, see, we can actually hold a conference.
01:13:17.040 So yeah.
01:13:17.800 You know, to, and also kind of thumb your nose at Europe.
01:13:21.040 Yeah.
01:13:21.360 To a certain extent, like, look how, these savages in America still let us have a conference. 0.98
01:13:28.860 Yeah.
01:13:29.000 You know, you know, you're too, you're too unfree, you know, to allow anything, other people
01:13:38.560 to have different ideas.
01:13:39.920 Yeah.
01:13:40.140 And, you know, to kind of my, use it kind of to mock them and make it, put them in a
01:13:46.580 weird position to, to lock you down the next time.
01:13:48.980 I think that would be good.
01:13:50.240 And, you know, I was thinking about, you know, ways that we could bring, you know, allow Europeans
01:13:55.800 to come to an American conference.
01:13:57.860 It's not that, you know, going across any Atlantic, it's hard.
01:14:02.220 I always get very tired.
01:14:03.280 Um, as I, as I was tweeting, I, whenever I get on, you have to have that terrible plane
01:14:09.540 pate.
01:14:10.520 Yeah.
01:14:14.000 I always, whenever I'm on the plane, I always, you know, there's just like endless movies.
01:14:18.840 And I feel like I, I never go to see all these horrible Hollywood movies.
01:14:23.540 And then I just watch them in a big, like eight hour long span of watching like Jack
01:14:30.120 Ryan, shadow recruit and Pacific rim.
01:14:33.000 And I'm like, Oh wow. 1.00
01:14:34.340 These really are total shit. 1.00
01:14:41.200 Anyway, I am right to hate American culture. 1.00
01:14:45.020 It's, it's everything I believed in.
01:14:47.120 Yeah.
01:14:47.160 Actually Hollywood does produce a lousy, uh, stuff, but anyway, um, I, I think it would
01:14:53.820 be good.
01:14:54.180 I, I, one of my friends is saying this and I think this would be a neat thing that if,
01:14:58.400 if we could get a lot of Europeans to come to American conference, we, we could have them
01:15:02.140 stand up and be like, all right, we're doing this in Europe next year.
01:15:05.480 And, you know, we, we have, we have 30, 30 Europeans who've come to America.
01:15:10.820 We need at least that many to go to Europe and just kind of get that, you know, that, that
01:15:16.240 bonding going where, uh, we really feel like we're part of the same movement.
01:15:22.300 And, um, I think that would be a really great accomplishment.
01:15:26.400 Now this is silly, but, uh, what about Canada?
01:15:31.620 I mean, just in the sense of like,
01:15:33.300 I think Canada would crack down on us.
01:15:35.000 Yeah.
01:15:35.460 Yeah.
01:15:35.740 Okay.
01:15:36.000 They're actually, Canada is weirdly bad.
01:15:39.100 Yeah.
01:15:39.380 I mean, they've, they've cracked down on Ann Coulter for God's sake.
01:15:43.020 Well, that's true.
01:15:43.800 Yeah.
01:15:44.160 And, and what is it?
01:15:45.320 Uh, Mark Stein.
01:15:47.440 Yeah.
01:15:47.940 Yeah.
01:15:48.140 Mark Stein.
01:15:49.000 Yeah.
01:15:49.160 He was like, yeah, he got, he had some legal problems.
01:15:52.640 Yeah.
01:15:52.980 Yeah.
01:15:53.360 Yeah.
01:15:54.240 Yeah.
01:15:54.680 Yeah.
01:15:55.080 It's, uh, interesting too.
01:15:57.380 That's so close.
01:15:59.400 It's so far away.
01:16:00.560 Yeah.
01:16:00.940 I mean, yeah, for anyone who I, I used to live in Canada and, um, yeah, it's basically
01:16:05.780 America.
01:16:07.000 Canadians are always like, oh, we're so different from our friends. 0.99
01:16:10.420 You know, it's, it's not, it's, it's, they're exactly the same.
01:16:14.460 I mean, with, with some exceptions, um, you know.
01:16:16.480 We're about something totally different.
01:16:19.280 Right.
01:16:20.680 Uh, but you know, with some exceptions, I, I think Montreal for one really feels like a
01:16:25.420 European city.
01:16:26.600 It's a, it's a cool place and there's some other exceptions, but it, it is pretty, um,
01:16:30.520 pretty much like American, but I think, um, like America, but I think in terms of some
01:16:34.560 of their, their willingness to crack down, I think it's not, I, I think they are, they're
01:16:39.140 willing to do something.
01:16:39.860 I mean, you could always do some really funky model, like everyone meet up in, um, oh God,
01:16:48.000 I don't, some just, you know, we all go to the Bahamas or something.
01:16:54.180 Uh, we'll all go to Jamaica and, you know, the people there will have no. 0.99
01:16:59.860 I don't have no earthly idea of what's going on.
01:17:02.480 Well, you know, it's Haiti.
01:17:03.540 Why not Haiti?
01:17:04.120 Haiti.
01:17:04.580 Well, that would, we could take tours.
01:17:06.620 Yeah.
01:17:06.920 Jerry Taylor could lead a, lead a tour.
01:17:11.140 Country of the future.
01:17:13.780 That would be interesting, but it, it might be interesting, you know, you could always
01:17:16.840 have the model of just going to some really unusual place and I, I think the government
01:17:22.260 would probably, they would probably ignore you in that situation. 1.00
01:17:26.320 You know, they would just be like, ah, these stupid white people. 1.00
01:17:31.880 No, like you could go, you could go to some like, you know, like a, you know, whatever, 1.00
01:17:36.720 spring break town.
01:17:37.940 That would be, yeah, that would be kind of fun.
01:17:40.080 Yeah.
01:17:40.700 Yeah.
01:17:41.400 Maybe Jamaica just say, I've never been in Chicago. 0.87
01:17:46.640 Read too many Ian Fleming novels.
01:17:48.560 Yeah.
01:17:48.740 It just, it's like, yeah, but, uh, but anyway, well, why don't we just put it, let's put
01:17:58.320 a bookmark in this one or do you have any other, uh, no, no, no.
01:18:02.760 Do you have any other questions?
01:18:03.820 All right.
01:18:04.020 Let's put a bookmark in this one.
01:18:05.200 We've, uh, uh, we've, uh, we've talked a lot about this.
01:18:08.600 I'm sure we'll talk more about this, but, um, well, you know, just to sum up, it was,
01:18:12.640 it was a very interesting time.
01:18:14.080 I have no regrets.
01:18:15.940 Um, I'm, I'm in a way glad this happened.
01:18:19.640 It was, I, I think, you know, a lot of this is symbolic, but I, I think this is something
01:18:25.360 people are going to, we're going to be thinking about this for a while.
01:18:28.740 And I think it was just a good, it was just a good symbol of our resolve that we're, you
01:18:34.420 know, um, we're, we're, we're willing to go all the way.
01:18:38.360 We're willing to face consequences.
01:18:39.900 We're willing to stand tall.
01:18:41.180 And, uh, I, you know, and of course I had something to do with that, but it was really
01:18:46.540 everyone.
01:18:47.040 I think everyone who attended that Budapest conference, they were taking somewhat of a
01:18:50.680 risk.
01:18:51.500 They were disobeying, uh, an illegitimate law.
01:18:55.200 And, um, I'm very, just very proud of them that they would do that.
01:19:00.620 And, uh, so I'm, I'm, you know, I'm just, uh, very interesting weekend tough, but I'm just
01:19:07.100 really proud of what we did.
01:19:08.320 But yeah, it shows, you know, it really demonstrated that, you know, the right or whatever we want
01:19:14.380 to call it is where the revolution is now.
01:19:17.560 Yeah.
01:19:18.120 You know, you're the side that's fighting the man, clearly.
01:19:23.020 So, yeah.
01:19:24.700 Well, anyway, I see the, the warden is coming over.
01:19:27.620 They've, they picked up my paper mache head and they're not buying it.
01:19:31.620 So, uh, I've got to, I've got to get back to my room and there'll be penalties.
01:19:36.780 You'll be, you'll have to go into solitary, right?
01:19:38.800 No, there is no, there is no, there is no.
01:19:42.620 I'll say.
01:19:45.680 I'll say.
01:19:46.360 Yeah.
01:19:47.160 I'll say.
01:19:47.580 Okay.
01:19:48.020 I'll say.
01:19:52.500 I'll say.
01:19:52.580 I'll say.
01:19:57.040 Hey.