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00:00:00.000 Mark how are you I'm doing well how about yourself great let's talk football

00:00:17.700 hopefully this won't get banned from any place we're just talking sports you know

00:00:25.200 this isn't that what YouTube wants we'll do an unboxing I would yeah I wouldn't hold your breath

00:00:32.640 well among the Radix crew we're kind of the the jock element I guess so to speak in the sense that

00:00:43.640 we like to watch football and maybe even play it a little bit did you ever play football

00:00:50.720 yeah I did yeah good I was more of a hockey player though and okay you know that was more my sport

00:00:57.920 yeah New England you know so exactly um yeah I played football in Texas so that was a rite of

00:01:03.600 passage you if you didn't play football you were a cock and I'm glad I did even though I wasn't that

00:01:08.960 great yeah no I was glad to have the experience as well I mean it's an interesting sport I don't

00:01:14.120 think I fully I probably appreciated it more after I was out of school just because I had more of a

00:01:19.520 you know I don't I wasn't really a sports fan in high school even though I played sports um so I

00:01:27.060 don't think I had a kind of appreciation for football um or kind of as much of an appreciation

00:01:33.780 for football as a kind of football sports fan would have been uh starting football in high school but um

00:01:39.760 uh and I think that one of the we talked about this on our other uh podcast but um yeah one of the

00:01:46.780 things that was less exciting about the sport to me is that you are kind of a sort of cog in the

00:01:51.640 machine if you're not like kind of a primary cog it's not like it's a little less fun well you have

00:01:57.180 to kind of give up your ego to play football I mean I I played when I was when I was on freshman and

00:02:03.920 JV team or I guess we just had a freshman team we didn't have a JV because my school is too small but

00:02:09.000 when I was on freshman football I actually played tight end and fullback so I mean I would

00:02:14.220 you know catch the occasional pass and run the ball and and whatever but once I entered varsity

00:02:20.980 they were like all right you're playing on the offensive line

00:02:23.960 but you kind of I don't know you kind of have to give up your ego and block for people who are

00:02:31.520 faster than you are or they're gonna sit you on the bench like it's how it goes and it's pretty

00:02:37.700 obvious when you're not like going with the flow and getting with the program and if you're not like

00:02:44.080 they will bench you faster than you know you you can say uh throw me the ball coach like they're

00:02:51.540 just gonna put you on the bench and I don't know I mean I I think that's actually kind of part of it

00:02:56.680 and that's part of the reason why the foot the the sport kind of does have value I I remember my my

00:03:02.480 father went to Lawrenceville which was an all-boys boarding school uh up in New Jersey it was actually

00:03:09.600 kind of a bit of a Princeton feeder but you know people would go to other schools as well but

00:03:14.760 yeah I mean part of the ethos of the school was for everyone to play house football and um you know

00:03:24.300 and basically everyone played so it didn't matter how little you were how unathletic you were how

00:03:29.780 nerdy you were uh you still got out there and played and you know obviously it was you know

00:03:35.160 competitive without being super competitive it was basically about the you know process of becoming

00:03:42.020 a team and um you know the you know the ones who are the most athletic carrying the ball and

00:03:48.140 the other guys blocking for them and it kind of all working so yeah I mean I think in that sense

00:03:53.600 there's a lot to admire about the sport uh very different than baseball which is uh individual you

00:04:00.900 know about individual matchups um but um anyway it football has become the national pastime much

00:04:11.460 more than baseball I mean baseball is still around it still has lots of fans um I like baseball but

00:04:17.900 the football is really on another level in terms of uh you know just coverage in the media I mean the

00:04:25.840 the world series is barely covered at this point um you know and whereas with football you know any

00:04:33.100 minor injury or controversy or uh uh or drunken violence uh uh arrest is uh covered hotly by the

00:04:42.920 media uh it's just much bigger and I you know I don't know maybe we've seen peak football but I

00:04:49.440 don't think it's gonna change dramatically uh at least in the next couple of years although we're gonna

00:04:55.240 talk about that um but it has become a national it has become the national pastime or the national

00:05:02.740 game but that also means that it has to go with the flow of the national mood and in this sense I

00:05:13.160 think it's worthwhile to look at football as kind of a microcosm of what is going on and in terms of

00:05:23.040 you know America and and everything I mean first off just in terms of the coronavirus I mean you know

00:05:29.760 everyone's talking about the upcoming season as if there's going to be one I don't know if there will

00:05:35.200 be one I don't know what exactly is going to happen but it's certainly in dispute uh but beyond that um

00:05:41.680 what we've seen from the George Floyd protest is this move towards iconoclasm as the ultimate meaning

00:05:52.960 of the death of St George Floyd so you know at the beginning it was about oh we need to arrest these

00:06:01.060 bad officers and then it quickly went into we need to rethink the police entirely if not defund them or

00:06:07.860 or should we end policing and bring back or bring forward community whatever um uh and that that was

00:06:18.100 actually a real issue there were you know protests around the nation around the world uh but it seems

00:06:23.380 like the the the death of George Floyd has kind of settled down into iconoclasm we saw this similar

00:06:30.060 thing happen with the um mass murder committed by uh Dylan Roof uh back in 2015 and uh you know at the

00:06:39.960 very beginning of that controversy it was all about gun control and maybe a little bit of you know

00:06:46.360 radicalized lone wolf for incel violence there was a little bit of talk about that but then it just

00:06:51.380 quickly shifted to we need to remove the confederate flag from state houses across the country and um and

00:06:59.040 we indeed need to remove confederate books from Amazon we need to remove confederate flag paraphernalia

00:07:04.360 uh and so on and so it's it's almost like America seems to settle in to we're going to engage in

00:07:10.840 symbolic change or symbolic destruction and I I mean symbolic quite literally we're going to change all

00:07:19.000 our symbols but we don't actually have to change the infrastructure uh so and we seem to be settling

00:07:26.940 into that with George Floyd as well where we're not going to actually end the police that's a bit much

00:07:34.100 uh I I do think that the the era of tough policing and mass imprisonment I do think that that will

00:07:41.520 change and and kind of come to an end but I think it's a bit much to ask the government to end policing

00:07:48.540 in total uh but what we're going to do instead is have rioters tear down monuments and then also have

00:07:55.680 legislators just kind of do it legally so um this past weekend the Mississippi state legislator

00:08:02.620 legislature you know which is predominantly Republican of course uh voted to change their flag

00:08:10.060 um and and football as the you know new national pastime just goes along with this and I you know

00:08:20.140 you can think of a lot of these things as kind of like oh well they're you know this is a side issue

00:08:26.460 it's sports it doesn't really matter whatever but it actually does matter and it definitely

00:08:32.280 matters to normies who care about football much more than they care about politics or uh and know

00:08:39.020 more about it than they know about politics or culture or you know geopolitical affairs to say the

00:08:45.660 least and um it actually also it kind of acts as a microcosm for what's happening so basically there

00:08:53.180 are two major things that have occurred the first is that the Washington Redskins um are I would say

00:09:01.600 at this point almost certain to change their name um it's been a controversy for a few decades I can

00:09:10.340 even remember rumblings about this controversy um back in the 1980s and uh and then in the 2000s I

00:09:19.220 think it's the latest 2009 there was actually a court case and there was an appeal that was not heard by

00:09:24.500 the supreme court so I mean it got that far there was another kind of blow up um around um uh maybe

00:09:33.480 when was it 2013 or something like that uh and then now this you know a month after George Floyd's death

00:09:40.720 has come to the fore as we must end this now uh there's also an issue with um the uh the national

00:09:48.860 anthem so um and we can maybe talk about that first and then delve into the redskins but the

00:09:56.000 colin kaepernick was in 2000 and um and uh 17 I guess was kneeling for before the national anthem and

00:10:07.520 this became a crisis it became a hot button political issue with donald trump saying you know

00:10:15.780 uh if I were the owner of those football teams I'd say get that son of a bitch off the field and um

00:10:22.160 and people started you know boycotting the nfl not watching the games and uh then um colin kaepernick

00:10:31.800 kind of even though his career as a football player ended effectively he became a hero of sorts

00:10:38.980 and a kind of left-wing activist and cause celeb um you know for all sorts of things I think there's

00:10:45.980 a new series on netflix dedicated to his high school years or some nonsense like that um and it was

00:10:54.060 almost I think this is a microcosm as well where the right kind of wins a short-term victory and then

00:11:00.760 long-term defeat where you know colin kaepernick was basically expressing the ideology of

00:11:08.980 black lives matter I mean not exactly but more or less and donald trump succeeded by

00:11:16.260 making it kind of about patriotism and symbolism and so he's you know he said oh he's disrespecting

00:11:22.820 the flag he's disrespecting you know our republic uh and then they kind of the conservatives always

00:11:30.160 kind of lose in the end they gain these you know immediate victories be that are basically kind

00:11:37.840 emotional and reactive uh and then they ultimately get cocked at the end of the day and I think you

00:11:44.960 can see that here now so you know colin kaepernick was was persona non grata in the league he was not

00:11:51.880 signed by any team even though he was actually pretty good his his career was declining but he he was better

00:11:59.300 than a lot of other people playing quarterback in the nfl uh but then he became a hero and now he's kind

00:12:05.700 of ultimately won regardless of whether he goes in back into the nfl which I think is almost I I imagine

00:12:13.760 some team will sign him but um he's ultimately won in the sense that the nfl is now um doing something

00:12:22.160 uh apparently this is this was leaked to ESPN I believe but I I could go check on this but apparently

00:12:28.920 on week one of the nfl they're going to sing lift every voice which is I did not know this uh is the

00:12:37.220 black national anthem of sorts um it's a uh fairly non-offensive song kind of negro spiritual type thing

00:12:45.800 I think was written by this kind of Booker T Washington black educator or something um but uh that

00:12:53.660 will be sung uh at the beginning of every game on week one um you know they they aren't quite

00:13:00.320 kneeling in the national anthem but they're almost getting what they want um I have no doubt that blm

00:13:07.580 or blm's core message will be prominent at these football games and and so it's it's kind of like

00:13:17.120 one more example where the right spasmodically reacts to something but then also kind of

00:13:24.420 misunderstands it and so they they they turned Colin Kaepernick's protest which was about police

00:13:32.720 violence and black identity and so on and they kind of said well we're not going to address that issue

00:13:39.280 really but you're disrespecting the flag that's unpatriotic you should never be able to burn a flag

00:13:43.640 blah blah blah and they kind of misunderstood it or kind of brought it into their frame of reference

00:13:49.420 and they won a short-term victory but then lost the war and um I think they will definitely lose

00:13:57.000 this upcoming war uh the NFL has been over the last 10 years or so it's been dom or more than that

00:14:05.360 probably 20 years it's been dominated by a military aesthetic and ethos with you know huge

00:14:12.880 flags that cover the entire field and f-14s flying over during the national anthem and soldiers

00:14:19.600 everywhere and veterans and I think in one month they dress up in camo and stuff like that they also

00:14:26.120 dress up in pink for breast cancer which maybe that's worthy of a podcast in itself uh but they they

00:14:33.520 definitely have you know embraced a kind of hyper patriotism and I think now that is going to shift

00:14:42.600 towards a a BLM a kind of black identity um you know neo-religious overtones surrounding black

00:14:53.560 suffering uh but I think they're going to go in in that whole hog and it's yet another example of

00:15:01.880 these conservatives again just kind of winning a little short-term victory getting people to hate

00:15:07.720 on the NFL a little bit uh and the NFL kind of standing up against something that's controversial

00:15:14.040 by you know effectively kicking Colin Kaepernick out of the league not signing him but then just kind of

00:15:22.040 ultimately losing and doing something that almost Colin Kaepernick couldn't even imagine you know in

00:15:28.260 2017 when he was kneeling you know you know lift every voice stuff like that so um uh what are your

00:15:36.240 thoughts on this Mark uh well yeah I mean there's a lot there it is interesting though that um

00:15:43.920 there is this sort of uh initial phase of resistance from the conservatives um where it seems like they

00:15:51.280 achieve some victory early on but then they end up losing and I think that um it does it does in a way

00:15:57.500 it does create a kind of theater where the success of BLM becomes greater because there's perceived this

00:16:04.740 period of struggling and resistance where this sort of the racist conservatives were uh you know

00:16:10.680 effectively putting down their efforts at reform but then they eventually succeed so it creates a kind

00:16:16.040 of narrative and you could say a kind of moralizing narrative for BLM because they can look back at this

00:16:23.080 supposed uh period of struggling um and you know I mean Kaepernick is a kind of martyr I mean his

00:16:30.520 his career I mean look his career was declining uh but you know the you know I don't know how old he is now

00:16:37.580 maybe in his early 30s I mean he was a that was the prime era to be an NFL quarterback for him and he that

00:16:46.240 was taken away from him I mean he has not played in is it going on four seasons uh so he was kind of he

00:16:53.980 became a martyr of sorts uh you know a very well funded martyr but a martyr yeah no so I mean um

00:17:05.680 but so I guess the question then becomes because what happened in uh 2017 2016 whenever exactly it was

00:17:14.860 I guess it was 2017 where uh Trump was uh counter signaling basically the NFL and he was I mean his

00:17:22.160 and this shows us kind of the the power of political leadership and how sort of sheep-like

00:17:28.240 people are effectively where Trump was basically saying ah you know the NFL thing's not patriotic

00:17:33.860 they're not uh sufficiently honoring the national anthem and that in the NFL was actually was seeing

00:17:40.400 a decline in ticket sales and viewership as a consequence of this you know basically something

00:17:46.220 that Trump uh I mean it was out there in the culture but Trump was kind of leading

00:17:52.140 the charge as it were and had Trump not taken that stance uh the NFL may have suffered uh but

00:17:58.560 probably only marginally and maybe not really at all you know so it shows really kind of the influence

00:18:03.760 that Trump had uh during that period as it turns the NFL as it concerns the NFL and um but his leadership

00:18:11.680 now is kind of like he he is in a way a sort of discredit discredited leader I mean he just doesn't

00:18:17.220 have the same sort of uh clout that he once had because he just doesn't have the same popularity

00:18:21.820 uh and for a number of reasons that are um you know that should be obvious to people now uh but I

00:18:29.400 don't know what what is the fate of the NFL though if it changes this or it it kind of rebrands in this

00:18:35.720 way uh where it becomes effectively a BLM league because we have to assume that people are going to be

00:18:42.360 kneeling throughout the season now right I mean if if the if what's happened in the larger society

00:18:47.960 uh will be reflected and it will be reflected in the league uh then all the players that were

00:18:53.980 formally standing up and that wouldn't take a knee you know all this sort of you know the Tom Brady's

00:18:59.120 or whoever else yeah these kind of white players that were kind of like ah you know it's all right if

00:19:04.340 a teammate does it but I you know I I'm patriotic this is the best country on earth or you know

00:19:09.220 sort of the standard view that a kind of white football player would have and even some black

00:19:14.020 football players like not everyone was taking a knee no uh and it kind of varied from team to team

00:19:19.520 uh depending on sort of the culture of that team as it were uh but everyone's gonna be kneeling now

00:19:24.520 oh yeah JJ every game yeah well JJ Watt is kind of the he's he's a bit of the face of the NFL even

00:19:32.800 though he plays defensive line and he is very good uh but he's kind of like the golden boy of the

00:19:38.940 NFL he despite the fact that he's a lineman and he you know he's blonde you know super strong very

00:19:45.540 good you know no scandals nice guy and uh I I actually saw something where he was tweeting out

00:19:52.800 like um I I might you know don't someone was saying I don't think JJ will take a knee and he's like

00:19:57.900 don't speak for me like this is about bigger issues and you know uh stuff like that I I think it would

00:20:03.880 be actually quite symbolic if the the the white players like JJ Watt and Tom Brady took a knee I

00:20:10.520 I think that would be huge and but it would be done in a kind of Hegelian synthesis so to speak

00:20:17.080 well yeah and this is a theater this is yeah it's it's like just briefly this is like that tearful

00:20:22.940 moment in the movie where like the grouch the racist grouch finally like breaks and says you know

00:20:29.060 you were right all along and starts weak or whatever right so anyways uh continue what you

00:20:33.760 were saying well for instance um the Dallas Cowboys uh are the most popular football team in America

00:20:42.420 and I think they might even be the most popular or even or the very least valuable franchise around

00:20:49.400 the world or they're they're up there and um Jerry Jones is kind of the face of the franchise in a kind

00:20:56.400 of funny way the owner uh because he's just so you know he's like a Texan billionaire and and charismatic

00:21:02.260 and and really funny uh but but also clearly a Republican and he's never spoken out in favor of BLM

00:21:10.020 he's gotten some heat for that uh but what he did in 2017 was this kind of synthesis where you know if

00:21:17.860 you have Colin Kaepernick out there you know wearing like anti-police socks I think at one point he's

00:21:23.980 wearing like pig socks or something like that and then it becomes this like black activist or you

00:21:30.980 know in in Kaepernick's case you know angry mulatto you know bashing America kind of thing uh but when

00:21:38.520 Jerry Jones did it he had the entire team come out including his half black quarterback and their white

00:21:45.160 coach and they all kind of came out and they were arm in arm and they kneeled almost in this way of like

00:21:51.520 flipping it around and making it patriotic you know so I mean it it kind of it is theater and but it's also

00:21:58.400 like symbolism where you don't quite know what it means like you could read that as ah you know the whites

00:22:06.260 of you know knelt before the power of BLM like they've they've lost or so what or you could flip it around

00:22:13.600 and say like some bad things happened in our country's history but our founding ideals have led

00:22:20.480 us to this day where all men are truly created equal and to be pro equal rights is to be an American and

00:22:28.280 you know and and and and also the kind of religious overtones of kneeling together arm and arm I mean it's

00:22:34.640 inherently this Christian act and I I think Jerry kind of in his brilliant way I mean he is clearly a

00:22:42.920 genius of sorts a bit of a genius like Trump I guess uh was able to kind of flip it and he recognized

00:22:51.440 that he was losing and that if he went out and just confronted Kaepernick directly he would lose

00:22:57.000 and so he kind of flipped it on its on its head and made it this weirdly patriotic thing to do and I think

00:23:04.420 the NFL will do that as well and they'll make it kind of like you know to truly be a proud white man

00:23:11.600 you have to kneel or something it's kind of you know what I mean it's just it kind of it's weird

00:23:16.300 uh but that that's how it you know that's how it becomes like not just a single man protesting and

00:23:24.140 becomes this national phenomenon yeah well it's as in Christianity it's a kind of humbling yourself

00:23:31.560 before a higher ideal as it were right humble brag kind of yeah yeah I don't I mean so uh but I mean

00:23:40.000 ultimately it is a kind of a deep form of humiliation yeah right I mean on a deep sort of psychological

00:23:46.740 level it is a form of racial uh degradation and humiliation um in Christianity Christianity also

00:23:55.680 contains this as well in the sense that you're kneeling I mean to the extent that you're not a

00:23:59.720 Jew yourself you're kneeling before Jewish savior here you're kneeling before like pretty explicitly

00:24:05.880 before uh blacks in the interests of blacks like you're kneeling before the interests of blacks I mean

00:24:11.680 there's no there's no other way to sort of interpret kneeling uh in the name of uh black lives matter

00:24:19.220 right I mean so um yeah it's very striking uh in that regard but um you know I I mean I guess a uh

00:24:28.380 a couple of things I would say is that um in in a way I mean these problems are just kind of baked

00:24:35.480 into multiculturalism in the sense that there has to like every society naturally kind of conforms

00:24:42.900 uh to one direction or toward one ideal or toward one direction and we we see that sort of forming in

00:24:50.160 America in the sense that like you know our greatest concern are really the lives of blacks you know black

00:24:55.900 lives matter and you know the you have this sort of this rhetorical battle going on where you know

00:25:02.600 these civnats or these amnats are saying well all lives matter right and that you know it's offensive

00:25:07.960 to consider that only black lives matter but in the retort of course is that well we're not saying

00:25:14.300 only black lives matter but we're saying it's time to support blacks because they've been oppressed or

00:25:20.760 persecuted in America you know through especially through this police brutality uh but of course that's

00:25:27.640 not I mean psychologically the these amnats are are are responding to something that's

00:25:32.560 quite real what is going on is that the black lives matter is taking uh black racial interests

00:25:40.580 and making it the priority right so if you support black lives might matter you're also making black

00:25:47.580 lives matters or black lives a priority as opposed to your own interests right uh even all lives matter

00:25:55.360 is a total cock and I'm not I'm not saying that in the sense that we should start chanting white lives matter

00:26:01.100 that that that has also kind of rubbed me the wrong way but it's I guess you could call this caducean

00:26:06.100 if you want but it's this sense of like it's like the left is saying well you know there's still racism

00:26:13.040 the legacy of slavery lives on through systemic racism and brutality etc and then the the white response

00:26:20.260 is no all lives matter we're all one you know in the in this kind of it it's like both are wrong

00:26:27.980 and uh and I'm not sure saying white lives matter is is much better um you know that that declaring that

00:26:36.660 something matters like that is is almost inherently a kind of inferiority position of of saying you know

00:26:43.660 if you have to say it that that means that it's in question you know so to speak and so I just I don't know

00:26:52.320 the degree to which saying white lives matter is moralizing I mean my response is to say no lives matter

00:26:58.700 which is that like oh you know I I just want to get out of the frame of humanism and basically say that

00:27:06.240 you're only you only matter if you're part of something that is bigger and bolder and greater than yourself

00:27:13.200 you're only you only matter as an individual in the sense that you're part of a in an achievement of

00:27:20.080 flourishing and greatness and um yeah but I'm not sure no lives matter will really catch on on

00:27:26.880 twitter but um but again I guess my major point is even the right response is just a total cuck out

00:27:34.100 you know it's just basically saying oh yeah we're all the same here you know we all fled oppression

00:27:40.200 and tyranny to to end up in this land you know where we could achieve individualism or something it's it's

00:27:46.160 just it's inherently demoralizing even in itself yeah white lives matter uh the adl actually um

00:27:53.920 it declares that like a hate slogan or like a slogan of white supremacy right I mean it's absurd so

00:28:00.320 it's okay to be white as well it's like we're that's where we are it's like we're saying it's

00:28:05.680 it's okay guys it's okay to be what yeah but what's implied there is that adl is saying that

00:28:12.060 white lives don't matter and they're white supremacist if you believe that white lives matter

00:28:16.700 so it's it's a very uh we live in very uh interesting times as they say um and I don't

00:28:23.560 but it's also it feels like it's just peak cuckery and I mean and on some level too I mean

00:28:29.740 and I think that from our perspective like obviously I think demoralization among whites is

00:28:35.160 like at an all-time high I I you know I and I I'm personally I'm not feeling it but I because I

00:28:42.040 think that there's kind of two sides to it and the other side is that this this kind of system of

00:28:48.600 multiculturalism is kind of grinding to its logical conclusion right in the sense that it's becoming

00:28:54.460 uh it's becoming more and more offensive to rational and sound-minded people and it's becoming

00:29:01.740 more draconian in in the way that it sort of enforces its will so it has to de-platform dissenting

00:29:07.920 voices it has to become more draconian in terms of censorship but it's also it just it's just becoming

00:29:14.280 to anyone that is still kind of awake I mean because as we've discussed before is there's two sides of

00:29:19.600 this demoralization one of one is that um that they are legitimately demoralizing people so that they

00:29:26.660 don't have the will to resist or dissent right and I in in it probably to the majority of the people

00:29:33.380 they are effectively doing that but the other side of it is that they're angering people because it's

00:29:38.600 clearly uh yeah I mean it's it's clearly uh hypocritical and it's clearly uh very aggressively

00:29:45.920 anti-white so two things are happening simultaneously and probably what they're doing is they're kind of

00:29:51.620 distilling a resistance that's just like you know this is just completely out of control and now

00:29:57.820 people who are resisting this system are armed with all this evidence of just like this thing is

00:30:03.600 clearly a sort of anti-white system and multiculturalism uh does not uh has no benefits for me it is only

00:30:12.520 against my interests it's only sort of contrary to my interests so it's a kind of double-edged sword

00:30:17.720 um but uh yeah it's fascinating I mean I wrote an article um that I was pretty proud it's actually in

00:30:24.860 that the first it's a chapter in that first book and it's the right not to be offended in your own

00:30:29.900 land yeah right and so this is just the kind of inherent problem to multiculturalism in the sense

00:30:35.100 as I mentioned before is that the society has has one direction it's going in one direction or the other

00:30:41.400 and ours is kind of going in this blm direction this this multiculturalism anti-white

00:30:47.660 direction and um it's becoming increasingly a hostile and offensive culture for us but in the

00:30:55.980 process it's becoming ostensibly a more a less offensive and more livable and uh in a more benevolent

00:31:04.100 culture from the perspective of blacks now I mean I think it's a more there's a more kind of complex

00:31:09.120 equation there but you understand what I'm saying so it for this society to become unoffensive

00:31:15.880 and pleasing or appeasing to blacks it has to become offensive to us right in order for them

00:31:22.720 not to perceive themselves as persecuted it's required that we become uh you know more persecuted

00:31:30.040 more censored uh you know people who can be offended uh with impunity and don't really have a say in it

00:31:37.820 um and also suffering real likes kind of economic consequences and not even just if we're kind of

00:31:44.280 speaking up speaking up and being rebellious and therefore losing our jobs but you know through

00:31:50.360 this sort of uh it kind of increasing uh the increasing of anti-white racial uh discrimination

00:31:59.040 in general economic in the workplace you know in hiring everywhere I think you you understand what

00:32:07.200 what I'm saying yeah I mean again on YouTube I mean it's it's like this podcast cannot be possible

00:32:16.980 you know like no one should listen to this and and the thought that someone might be offended

00:32:25.040 by it you know that that needs to be taken so seriously that we just need to simply ban it from

00:32:31.560 the platform altogether and that goes for you know a whole host of other people um I I saw E. Michael

00:32:39.360 Jones was just banned today um even though you know he doesn't agree with the two of us on much but

00:32:46.260 we're we're kind of equally offensive and uh we don't have a right to speak in our own land

00:32:52.400 yeah so this is the other aspect of this is that the Washington Redskins franchise is being

00:33:05.400 effectively forced to change their name and and I I I don't know exactly what was going on behind the

00:33:13.120 scenes for a while again I can remember this controversy surfacing is as early as the 1980s it

00:33:19.980 might have even surfaced before then and so it's been around but it's it's obviously been very um

00:33:27.720 marginal uh for a long time and you know just just the fact that the Redskins play in Washington I'm

00:33:35.140 sure there are a ton of you know liberal fans of the the skins uh particularly when they were so

00:33:41.460 successful in the 1980s uh but now it's really coming to a head and so there there was a you know

00:33:47.600 there was a potential Supreme Court case that was never heard uh there was a major media efforts to

00:33:53.800 get them to change and the owner Dan Snyder who is this uh tech billionaire I think uh who is a

00:34:02.700 obviously a terrible owner because the Redskins have sucked for a long time now but um he is a you

00:34:11.260 know a fan himself and he just refuses to back down on this up until uh this weekend a lot happened

00:34:21.060 this weekend this came on July 3rd uh certainly symbolic this is all coming around the 4th of

00:34:27.600 July and Trump's Mount Rushmore speech and all this kind of stuff uh in light of recent events around

00:34:34.500 our country and feedback from our community the Washington Redskins are announcing the team will

00:34:39.680 undergo a thorough review of the team's name this review formalizes the initial discussions the team

00:34:45.680 has been having with the league in recent weeks that's an interesting sentence right there so

00:34:51.360 clearly he's getting pushback from Roger Goodell the NFL commissioner uh Dan Snyder owner of the

00:34:58.880 Redskins stated this process allows the team to take into account not only the proud tradition and history

00:35:03.600 of the franchise but also input from our alumni the organization sponsors the National Football League and

00:35:09.220 local community it is proud to represent on and off the field uh Ron Rivera head coach of the

00:35:14.700 Washington Redskins remarked this issue is of personal importance to me and I look forward to

00:35:19.280 working closely with Dan Snyder to make sure we continue the mission of honoring and supporting

00:35:23.360 Native Americans in our military I believe that Ron Rivera is Hispanic not Native American although I

00:35:29.320 might be wrong about that we believe this review can and will be conducted with the best interest of

00:35:33.640 all in mind um so you had this you know Dan Snyder being just absolutely forthright and in in apparently

00:35:44.200 intractable for a long time saying we will never change the name uh and he was kind of viewed I think wrongly

00:35:53.420 as almost like a nationalist owner right-wing owner uh but if you actually look at what the Redskins

00:36:01.460 have done and and even in terms of drafting players uh they've clearly tried to keep everything in

00:36:09.660 house um and they've also been very eager to um certainly draft black players I mean all the teams are

00:36:19.280 to a certain extent but draft black quarterbacks for instance um Doug Williams uh what is a major

00:36:27.700 figure in the Redskins organization and to be honest he's you know probably a major figure in the fact

00:36:33.300 that they have been mediocre at best and you know absolutely uh crappy at worst uh for a long time in

00:36:44.180 terms of evaluating talent and so on uh so you know within Dan Snyder's intractable nature about the name

00:36:53.860 you know which he loved when he was a kid watching you know all those great teams from the 80s

00:36:59.840 Joe Theismann Doug Williams himself and and others win Super Bowls uh John Riggins uh maybe the last

00:37:07.340 great white running back for what that's worth and um he he was intractable in there but in terms of

00:37:15.900 um what he was doing in in his organization uh he was actually uh I don't know you could arguably

00:37:23.500 maybe the most pro-black owner uh in terms of promoting um black Redskins within his organization

00:37:32.420 uh and there was also some you know some people were saying that the um uh the other teams are

00:37:41.240 going to change their name so Donald Trump actually tweeted out uh this morning uh they name uh they name

00:37:48.000 teams out of strength not weakness but now the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians

00:37:53.860 two fabled sports franchises look like they're going to be changing their names in order to be

00:37:58.860 politically correct Indians like Elizabeth Warren must be very angry right now uh I mean I I don't quite

00:38:08.080 know how Indians uh Native Americans and your imitation has improved that was pretty good

00:38:14.440 uh I was muted so you couldn't hear my uh my chocolate uh believe me I've been practicing um

00:38:22.560 it's it's a complicated issue because you know Trump is right to to a to a large extent actually

00:38:31.860 there's a there's a reason why there are no teams named after you know the n-word for instance or

00:38:40.880 the black skins or the Africans or whatever and the reason is that even though Native Americans have

00:38:48.820 had a really terrible time um they've always been respected and romanticized and and and blacks have

00:38:57.480 been romanticized as well but they haven't been romanticized in the same way uh Indians were

00:39:02.680 romanticized as fierce warriors and were pushed off their land and and and killed you know to a very

00:39:09.740 large degree and eventually put on reservations that are kind of you know like outside of society

00:39:15.560 they aren't I mean they have smaller numbers but they aren't really thought of as like a voting

00:39:20.200 block very I don't know if I've ever heard someone say Native American lives matter I mean they they are

00:39:24.940 they are not the political football that Africans are they aren't viewed as this pathetic victim that we

00:39:31.500 must always be kowtowing towards endlessly uh in the way that African Americans have I mean in a way

00:39:37.520 to their detriment they've remained independent and and semi-sovereign in their reservations but Trump

00:39:45.660 is correct in the sense that you know you name a sports franchise after something you like um or just

00:39:52.840 something characteristic about it like the Red Sox or or whatever but you you want to name a team the

00:39:58.480 athletics the Indians um the cowboys the rangers you know you want to name something about something

00:40:07.260 that's good or manly or badass in some way and that is the way that Americans of earlier generations

00:40:14.340 viewed Indians and not the way that they viewed African Americans you're not going to have a team

00:40:19.860 named the slaves or anything like that so he is right and I don't and I don't think even despite the

00:40:26.080 fact that Red Skins is kind of more you know obviously racist in the sense of it's it's not

00:40:31.980 the Chiefs or the Seminoles or the fighting Illini or something like that it is the Red Skins it just

00:40:39.200 feels more brutal uh but there's you know the idea that they would name a team after a racial slur i.e.

00:40:50.380 something you despise is ridiculous of course it was in some way a means of honoring Native Americans

00:40:58.360 and it's now gone out of fashion but you know I I think it's you know I don't think any Native American

00:41:04.500 will benefit from this but it is just a way of engaging in iconoclasm and kind of messing with

00:41:11.200 the heads of white people who like that team you know it's a way of just taking away their toys

00:41:19.580 taking something that they beloved and and and changing it and they'll they'll probably reach

00:41:26.420 a compromise they'll probably name it after say a tribe or something like that which you know is

00:41:31.300 kind of objectively less offensive and more honoring calling them the Seminoles the Cherokee or whatever

00:41:38.480 but at the same time just that that degree of taking away of an icon is the MO and it is

00:41:49.560 the motivation uh behind everything that's happening uh so I I don't know I could go I'll let you

00:41:57.700 respond then I'll go a little bit into the history of the Red Skins because they're an interesting team

00:42:01.640 yeah no I think you raise a a good point and I think it's correct that these were names that were

00:42:09.900 uh designed to honor um Indians right and yeah Red Skins it's probably the most uh sort of offensive

00:42:18.420 of the names because it does refer to a racial characteristic or racial trade of Indians yeah um

00:42:24.020 the hue of their skin as it were um but I you know I in but that you know I don't know I I think there

00:42:31.000 are instances actually where blacks have been honored too in a kind of like manner uh if maybe

00:42:36.360 not in sports name uh in not maybe not in the names of sports teams but um those lawn jockeys for

00:42:45.340 example the black lawn jockeys that are now considered like super racist oh those were actually

00:42:50.180 yeah those were actually designed as a kind of homage or veneration of black jockeys because at one

00:42:55.400 point uh horse racing it was exclusively black jockeys that were racing the horses uh so having

00:43:02.460 a black lawn jockey on your yard was not intended as an a as a way of humiliating blacks it was a kind

00:43:10.660 of it was a uh it was a kind of affectionate I mean you might say it's patronizing but it was a kind of

00:43:17.200 affectionate uh homage to the black jockeys that people were watching um you know who were also like

00:43:24.240 risking their lives especially in that day and who people were fans of that were you know they were

00:43:29.680 betting on the horses as they do today and um so there were fans so it was not designed to denigrate

00:43:35.780 blacks now I can see why people would see it as kind of patronizing or or condescending and certainly

00:43:42.640 reflected the the racial hierarchy of the time but it was the uh intention very much with the names like

00:43:49.320 the redskins or the indians or the chiefs was very similar in the sense that they were honoring them

00:43:54.200 and there were actually I I think in up until the 1980s there was a um I don't know if it was a high

00:44:01.180 school basketball team but in Illinois in Pekin Illinois which I think etymologically is derived

00:44:07.620 from Peking the mascot was uh or the the team name was the c word uh for Asians right um so you know

00:44:19.360 other c word you mean yeah like so yeah the hole in in armor right so it's right no right because I

00:44:28.220 don't you know look I don't think we should be using words like that to you know if I you know

00:44:32.660 if it's offensive to a group I don't yeah we're not we're not going to needlessly antagonize anyone

00:44:37.740 yeah within you know if they are sort of scientific words or they're I think that you can use scientific

00:44:43.740 words right it described groups um but as far as words that are obviously kind of insulting and

00:44:49.240 derogatory and more kind of colloquial words you know I I just think it's kind of unnecessary right

00:44:54.960 yes but um uh in any case uh not to be a total pussy right no no we don't needlessly antagonize

00:45:04.820 anyone here um we are offensive enough so we don't need to we don't need to prove anything

00:45:11.480 um yeah that that that is interesting I mean even something like the state of Oklahoma actually

00:45:19.360 could be translated as red skin it means red man it was a um neologism created by a missionary I believe

00:45:27.120 meaning red man um homo meaning red um interesting yes so I mean this is every I mean people have

00:45:34.660 joked before of like you know that if if the name fighting a lion eye is offensive are you going to

00:45:40.780 change the name of Illinois itself which is you know named after the tribe I mean it can kind of go down

00:45:47.000 this road of infinite grass and we might actually go down that road um who knows but uh which is it

00:45:54.160 also brings up this this kind of other aspect to it which is that it you know it is an erasure of

00:46:01.840 Native American culture I mean even in the kind of like trinkets you find at airports in New Mexico

00:46:09.400 of like turquoise jewelry or and you can find really well done examples of that um around the west

00:46:16.960 certainly out here in Montana um you know the the kind of decor of evoking Native American art in some

00:46:25.280 way in a hotel or restaurant uh or things like or in people's homes um you know and and that you can

00:46:32.940 extend that to team names and things like that I think it they're you know I I do get that red skin

00:46:39.900 is offensive but you know just erasing the Cleveland Indians and so on it it is erasing

00:46:46.960 some kind of memory of these people who pre-existed the white man on the North American continent

00:46:55.900 and defined the continent and kind of defined the mythos particularly of the west

00:47:01.220 and I think that's actually genuinely sad and yeah yeah and it's something we should oppose

00:47:10.020 quite frankly even though the term describes a racial trait there's nothing necessarily derogatory

00:47:16.020 about it right so in other words uh it just it describes a skin hue who cares yeah and again I

00:47:22.780 mean implicitly it's honoring them because they're perceived as these warriors and that becomes the

00:47:28.600 totem of the team in the way that uh in New England uh the Patriots uh you know the Minuteman becomes

00:47:35.560 the totem of that team right nothing right so it's an honoring of a warrior uh a warrior type

00:47:42.300 as a mascot yeah now it is interesting to point out that the Redskins are a racist team

00:47:48.840 at least in their history oh well so uh I I did I I did uh I did look briefly at the uh the wiki though

00:47:58.460 apparently they originated in Boston which is famous for its racist teams yes that residue that

00:48:05.380 beantown residue never they were the Boston Braves and then George Prescott Marshall purchased them

00:48:11.840 or maybe even founded them in Boston and then moved them to Washington eventually but yeah it is funny

00:48:17.380 um the the Red Sox have they were the last team in the Major League Baseball to integrate and um you

00:48:24.840 know it's been kind of legendary even now that black players will will say this and I and I do believe

00:48:31.380 them I don't I don't think they would have any real reason to say this about the team but like

00:48:36.060 the Red Sox still have the most racist fans and so like they'll they'll start if you're playing like

00:48:43.500 right field and you're the visiting team for the Red Sox they're gonna start they'll they'll drop the

00:48:48.200 inward you know um by the first inning let's say that and um but the Redskins were the last team to

00:48:55.480 integrate in the National Football League and until the Dallas Cowboys became a team in 1960

00:49:02.200 uh and then you know 10 years later with the Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints and I guess the

00:49:09.320 Dolphins as well they probably entered in the 60s but anyway the Redskins were the southern franchise so

00:49:15.860 if you were from the south you were a Redskin fan and that obviously is totally changed now but

00:49:21.100 that's how it was and uh Marshall was again he resisted integration um you know up to the

00:49:30.760 final moment um that he could uh by 1962 in which other and and and also when other teams were you

00:49:39.460 know out front in this matter um so I I think there was probably a residue of that I was actually

00:49:44.280 reading um I wrote a long article in football a while ago and I I want to revisit it and kind of

00:49:50.260 expand it but um I was reading this book on the decline of football and they they mentioned that

00:49:57.540 the the Washington Post would troll the Redskins um so they would they would when they were reporting

00:50:06.740 on the teams they would say things like you know the Redskin running back you know failed to be

00:50:12.640 integrated into the other team's defense but escaped to the end zone where he was separate but equal so

00:50:18.720 they they they would kind of use this you know anti-segregationist memes while reporting on this

00:50:25.160 football team in the Washington Post which is you know something and uh yeah so I I don't know I I

00:50:33.040 don't know the degree to which that residue has remained uh I think it probably has I mean the the

00:50:39.660 Redskins were also the team to have the first black quarterback win a Super Bowl Doug Williams so

00:50:44.840 you know it's it's an interesting history uh but I I think that probably does play a part at the very

00:50:52.060 least um with the the attacks on the Redskins yeah I mean that sounds I one thing I wanted because I

00:51:00.700 think it's it's actually a little more complex uh picture in in Boston even though I think that um

00:51:05.720 they definitely has a reputation as a racist uh sports town uh you know at this point it's probably

00:51:13.080 undeserved given how sort of liberal and progressive every you know city has become effectively but um

00:51:19.960 it's uh but you know it's a it's a heavily Irish town so a lot of the fans would have been Irish and

00:51:27.160 the Irish uh I think were were more racist and uh and a lot of it had to do with uh a lot of it was

00:51:33.760 kind of a class thing um you know less so now I mean the Irish are actually a very successful uh ethnic

00:51:39.660 group economically in the country as it turns out um I you know maybe it's not still the case but

00:51:45.320 among white ethnic groups including Jews which will include for this um uh theoretically ostensibly

00:51:52.980 they're the most successful um economically uh ethnic group in America um now this is information from

00:52:01.460 10 to 15 years ago so maybe that's changed though I don't know imagine I can't imagine why or how it

00:52:07.260 would have changed and also whites in general have become so integrated as a group that it's probably

00:52:14.020 harder to kind of uh make a reading like that um but uh that's just one thing I would point out but

00:52:20.160 the um in any case is as it concerns sports I read Auerbach um who was the Jewish um uh coach of the uh

00:52:30.480 Celtics yeah the Jewish owner coach of the Celtics he uh was um very progressive in integrating um

00:52:38.820 uh the Celtic basketball team um yeah but then they were kind of known as the white team

00:52:44.500 in the bird era as well it's it's always kind of murky oh sure yeah yeah so in yeah and again that

00:52:51.580 might you know I don't I and again I think that there may be some latent elements still there in

00:52:56.680 Boston um because Boston actually remains a relatively white city um and I ostensibly there

00:53:03.440 was an old joke among uh you know the brahmin the the wasps in Boston that um though they hated the

00:53:12.280 Irish uh at least the Irish kept the city white was one of the was one of the sort of uh aphorisms

00:53:18.920 that developed ostensibly among the brahmin's right well we'll put a bookmark in here

00:53:48.920 so

00:53:57.640 so

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