Anarcho-Tyranny In Action
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The McSpencer Group discusses how the federal government is getting more involved in policing the protests, riots, and chaos that s taking place across the U.S. in response to the Black Lives Matter protests in cities across the country.
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It's Sunday, July 26th, 2020, and welcome back to the McSpencer Group.
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We submit to the Schmidt. Joining me today are Edward Dutton and Tyler Hamilton.
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America, it seems, is breaking down. The BLM demonstrations just won't end,
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and these peaceful protests are getting really violent.
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Cities look like war zones. Elected officials are joining in and getting gassed.
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Boomers, who just wanted to grill, now look like they're ready to kill.
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A federal response from the Trump administration was all but inevitable.
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But instead of the police or National Guard taking back the streets,
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we get shadowy, masked figures in camouflage, driving minivans, swooping in to apprehend organizers.
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Does Washington view its own territory, much like it does the Middle East?
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A place full of foreigners, where the only form of engagement is black ops.
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when it comes to dealing with the protests and riots and chaos
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that have eventuated after the George Floyd incident.
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So we are, I don't even know what week we're on this.
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I guess the bigger question is when this will ever end.
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But we've seen protests of the goofy, quasi-religious nature.
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We've seen a semi-sovereign state in the middle of Seattle for a little bit by Roz Al-Soundcloud,
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And we are now seeing some kind of federal response.
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Now, I would say that people like us, along with probably the majority of conservatives,
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wanted to see a kind of outright, open, mano-a-mano suppression of the riots and violence.
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They wanted the police to come out in force and put it down.
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Maybe the National Guard, Trump, indicated that he was interested in doing that a few weeks ago.
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The other night, I re-watched The Dark Knight Rises.
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And in the climactic moment of that film, all of the Gotham City police officers who were stuck out of ground
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just come out in broad daylight and fight Bane and his thugs alongside Batman.
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I think that that movie is a conservative film, and it's, I mean, for better and for worse.
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And clearly, Bane is a kind of almost like conservative nightmare of BLM or Occupy Wall Street
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But again, they were openly put down by the police.
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In the words of Matthew Modine, there's only one police force in this town.
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But I don't think we're ever going to see that.
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And instead, what we seem to be seeing, what seems to be the ultimate solution by Trump and company,
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is to treat the U.S. kind of like they treat the Middle East, and that is black ops.
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Now, these aren't entirely black because in the sense of being completely secretive,
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And we're now seeing countless images of camouflaged masked men in minivans, of all things,
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going around and sometimes grabbing the leaders of the protest movement,
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There have been some, you know, some scenes of a transsexual antifa or BLM or whatever leader
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being pressed to the ground and thrown into a van.
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And so basically, the United States is kind of becoming like the Middle East.
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And so this organization called BORTAC, which is connected with the border control,
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seems to be the organization that is being used.
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And actually, the leader of that group has openly confirmed that.
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There are actually some new information that Trump might very well be using such techniques
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in Chicago, where not only have there been, you know, COVID, massive COVID outbreaks, massive protests,
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there's also just been Chicago being Chicago in the summer, which means serious death.
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And there's actually been a lot of very heartbreaking deaths of infants and children.
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There's not going to be an open suppression done by the police.
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Instead, we are going to treat the United States as the Middle East and engage in black,
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And there's this weird situation where there's an almost constitutional crisis.
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I'm not sure it's going to amount to much, but where these local liberal officials are
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kind of saying, you know, we have our constitutional rights and the federal government's encroaching
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Our state's rights almost sounds a little bit like that, although I don't think it will
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Do you want to pick up on some of these threads or bring in something new?
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Yeah, well, it's interesting because one thing I noticed is that some of them, like the representatives
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in Portland, were actually outright saying, you know, shouldn't conservatives be defending
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us because they historically have been defending the idea of states' rights?
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And they've been using this, like, secondary mode of resistance against the federal government
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by trying to prop up their own authority on the local and state level against the federal
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And so you have this situation where it's like they're openly saying, like the mayor,
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for example, the mayor Wheeler, he outright said, you know, the reason Trump is doing this
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is because his numbers are staggering and he needs to attack the Black Lives Matter movement
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And then at the same time, they're saying they're trying to stop this peaceful protest,
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which is obviously you have to, like, rewrite reality when you say something like that because
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And they're saying they're trying to stop the spread of Black Lives Matter.
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That's what Trump's trying to do, to appeal to his racist base because his numbers are staggering.
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So you have this inter-elite warfare going on at the level of rhetoric and who they're
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And so I think this goes back, I guess, to the whole question of anarcho-tyranny, which
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Francis was talking about before, where you have this weird situation in which there's
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an over-policing when it comes to law-abiding citizens that we've seen in the past few weeks.
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When it comes to, like, the couple outside of their house, with their weapons.
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And there's been quite a few instances of that, or the pregnant woman who pulled a gun
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And so you have this, but then you have a situation where you can just quickly look at
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You could see buildings being burnt down, police stations attacked, people beaten in the
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And Trump's just trying to stop her peaceful protests.
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And the state's rights, it's not the federal right to intervene on this.
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So then you have, of course, Trump's new tactic, what's going on here, which is, like
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you said, it's not like actually just bringing in full force and just putting a stop to it.
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It's this weird tactic of bringing, grabbing people here and there, pulling them in for
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questioning instead of just clamping down on it right away, which would actually, of
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So it's a really newer situation for America, I think.
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I mean, back even in the 60s, when they had these kind of riots going on, they were just
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But now when they send to the National Guard, they do the Macarena with the protesters.
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But it's it's it's a different, interesting situation.
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I'll throw it to Ed for now before I say any more on it.
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I think that it is a it is an interesting it's not an unpredictable situation.
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It reminds me of the sort of Jonathan Haidt, Five Moral Foundations kind of idea.
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The Five Moral Foundations are care, fairness, hierarchy, disgust and group loyalty.
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And there's research from Haidt, which has found that conservatives are roughly equal in
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all of those, although extreme conservatives tend to be very high in hierarchy, disgust
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and loyalty and not so high in fairness and care.
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Whereas the leftists are high in fairness and care, but they are pretty much absent in
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terms of things like hierarchy, disgust and in group loyalty.
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And what that means is that the leftists can hijack people on the right because the right,
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the people on the conservatives, they can empathize with those on the left because they
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have a sense of care and a sense of fairness as well, a sense of equality, whatever.
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But the left cannot understand those who are on the right at all because they don't
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They don't share any sympathy for the things which affect and which are important to people
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And so you can see how people that are on the left can basically use this relationship
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to hijack and to manipulate those that are on the right and push things in an ever more
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leftward direction, push the culture in an ever more leftward direction, manipulate people
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This is what's happened since the war, really, but particularly in the last 30 or 40 years,
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ever more concerned with care and fairness, equality.
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Those are the big things, care, harm avoidance and fairness, equality.
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I mean, at my son's nursery school, they were asked, we were asked, if you don't send your
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kid in with birthday invitations to give out because it might hurt the feelings of the
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Instead, here's a list of all the parents' phone numbers, ring up the parents and invite
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And so we have a society that is so brainwashed with the importance of care and harm avoidance
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and is so unable to cope with the idea of harm, the idea of hurting yourself, the idea of
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violence, that to send in the army or the National Guard or the police or whatever, he's got to
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get that balance right between doing something, between not offending against a society that
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is so, even conservative people that are so concerned about the idea of care and harm
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and, oh God, you know, we can't have that, we can't have hurting people, we can't have
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people hurting, getting even slightly injured, even emotionally injured.
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And the fact that what you end up with when you have extreme leftism and why there's always
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a backlash, always there's a backlash, a right-wing backlash, eventually, is that you have a
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society that is increasingly an evolutionary mismatch.
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We are evolved to find all five of these foundations important.
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The average person involves all five of these foundations important.
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The leftist can hijack society because of his extreme concern about care and fairness and push
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it in that direction to such an extent that the other three foundations are neglected.
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And then, of course, the result is we have an evolutionary mismatch and people are unhappy.
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But those people have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with this importance of care and
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Well, one way is that you don't have anything public.
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You don't have a Tiananmen Square type of situation.
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But you clearly are doing something to redress the balance behind the scenes and letting that
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So I think in a society that's utterly brainwashed with the importance of care and harm avoidance
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and, you know, my child cried because my child didn't get a party invitation or whatever,
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this is perhaps the most sensible tactic to engage in.
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And as for Richard's comment about a foreign country, and Richard and I were discussing this
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I thought that was very interesting because if you think about it, when you go into a
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foreign country as soldiers, part of the reason why you have to engage in black ops, part of
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the reason why you have to be very cautious, because you don't know how they're going to
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And in a society that's utterly polarised, where the left is so extreme, so unhinged,
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They say falseness is truth and truth is falseness and right is wrong and whatever, you know,
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And so therefore, the best thing to do is to treat them like foreigners.
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We're so polarised that we're basically two separate foreign groups.
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And so to go in there, maybe that's when the North went into the South during the Civil
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Would they have treated them more like foreigners?
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But you treat them more because that's what they kind of are, because they're so different
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Well, yeah, I mean, they reconstructed them to a very serious degree, although that did start
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But yeah, they were definitely treated as a foreign enemy that needed to be educated,
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So that would be Congress with this idea that what you've got is that America is so come
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apart, in the words of whoever it was, is it Charles Murray who said that?
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But it's so divided, so polarised that you're treating them as foreigners because there's
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no fundamental way on which you think in the same way.
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Whereas perhaps in the late 60s, when it was all the riots around the time that Nixon was
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elected and around that time, then at least there's a certain level on which you kind of
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trust each other, kind of, kind of all Americans.
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And this is a usurpation within that group, and you can put it down.
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You're dealing with a level of hatred and difference that is so profound that perhaps
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the best way is to treat them like what they really are, which is foreigners.
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I mean, these are an occupying power within part of America.
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Um, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that that Tyler mentioned an arc of tyranny because the Sam
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Francis concept and I and I think it's a it's a very valid one, but I almost feel like it's
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I think the black ops engaged in by Bortak or whatever, are almost like the the other
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side of the coin of the what all of these horrifying images that we saw of, you know, National
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Guard or police doing the Macarena with people or kneeling or joining the protests themselves.
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That was the an almost like comical expression of soft power.
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I mean, why do you have a police force if it's not to maintain order in your society?
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Why do you have an army if it's not to go kill people with it?
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I mean, that is the essence of these types of organizations.
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They are they are the brutal end of the spear tip of the spear of the state.
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And yet in our kind of postmodern world, we've we've depicted these as almost not what they
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Navy is a global force for good, as they describe themselves.
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So they're like a humanitarian organization or charity or something.
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You know, we're not here to, you know, do anything to.
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Is it this weird kind of velvet glove, you could say, on an iron fist or kind of so on?
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But then it's kind of the other side of the coin, which is things are kind of getting out
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They the you know, the even the Roz Simone thing, which, you know, didn't eventuate into
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anything outside of a three week long, you know, weird, semi sovereign state that just doing that
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you're you're you're testing the limits of what the state will tolerate.
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This these protests are not just some like simulated corporate act.
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They can get out of control and the state has to respond.
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It has to respond of like the National Guard during the Macarena or the flip side of that,
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the black ops and weird minivans and mass characters, you know, grabbing people off the
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It can't be itself in a way that will go ahead.
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I think if it acts too openly, then you will inflame the leftist nutters even even further
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and you will get more more degeneration into more violence.
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But if you don't act at all, then they will they will come, as I say, as I would suggest,
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a kind of right wing backlash or sort of a backlash against the entire system, a reassertion
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of these three moral foundations that have been ignored for so long.
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So many people feel unhappy about and they don't want that either because it would also
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And that would I suggest be what they're doing.
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And as for a narco tyranny, what does narco tyranny involve?
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Basically, it's the idea that you need to brainwash the population so that they don't
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question the ruling class or the managerial class or the class that makes money.
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You let that sort of you don't really bother controlling that.
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You let that control itself through through protection rackets, I suppose, or whatever
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you end up with in response to a lack of law and order.
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Well, what's the difference between this narco tyranny?
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He's he's coined Sam Francis and just the concept of just Tudor England.
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I mean, that's what that's what that's what a lot of a lot of countries now around the world.
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That's what it's what 16th century England was like.
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You have a system where the ultimately the population have to be kept in line,
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arguably, so they don't fundamentally question the system.
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The state lacks the power, really, to enforce the law.
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You therefore have a gangland where gangs black lit out and the law is occasionally enforced
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on a corrupt basis, depending on who has power and who decides to do so.
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And lots of people can just get away with crimes.
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And that was the system of just corrupt society.
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But what I was pushing towards is how it's a little bit outmoded, because let me try to
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get at some of the kind of contradictions that are that are going on.
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So, I mean, I mentioned the Dark Knight Rises and Bain came in and, you know, brought Gotham
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And, you know, if you can go to these protesters and find revolutionary statements in a way
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that you could not find revolutionary statements like that in, say, the Charlottesville protest
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No one said we're taking over the government or we're we're bringing about chaos or something.
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You can find everyday protesters saying we are going to end the United States as you
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We are going to fundamentally transform with Roz Al-Simon.
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There was a bit of a revolution there going on.
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He was questioning sovereignty and questioning law and order.
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At the same time, the on the other side of this, what we've seen is that the BLM protests
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I mean, there were some amazing images that I was reposting on Twitter a couple of weeks
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embassy in many of these countries having big rainbow flags and saying BLM and like Black
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Lives Matter in Korea or whatever, you know, gay rights and wherever Somalia, wherever the
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And so there's this weird contradiction where the protesters are at one point saying that
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The system, it's not even that it's corrupt so much as it is wicked, that it's white supremacists,
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They are at least rhetorically directly challenging the state.
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And to some degree, they are actually attacking federal buildings.
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At the same time, they're doing it through the ideology of the state.
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military empire doesn't fundamentally disagree with the protest.
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It's a bizarre situation where I think it's almost anarcho-tyranny on kind of a new level.
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Listen, this was what I was getting at when I was saying this is an unprecedented new example
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compared to how these things were dealt with in the past, like looking at the 60s, is that
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the idea that they're putting forward while they're saying we need to dissolve the American
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state, we need to completely dissolve the United States of America, is like you were saying,
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they're doing it through the ideology of the state.
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Like you watch the clips, you're seeing priests clapping along, you're seeing a lot of the
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people being arrested are like attorneys and they're actually a part of the managerial
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You have the mayor of Portland getting in on this, right?
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You have people in positions of political authority supporting this message.
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And so this tied in a lot to actually what we recently talked about on EBL, which was
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we did a show on Foucault, Birth of Biopolitics.
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And we talked about, which fits in there very nicely with anarcho-tyranny, is the way in which
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the trace from liberal government up to neoliberalism is this discovery of the natural rationalization
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of institutions, where you're trying to homogenize society and to figure out the most effective
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way to rationalize it as a part of the managerial class.
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It's not that they're incompetent, they're fully competent, they're aware of what they're
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But it plays into the role of their ideology because it's a method of affecting a means of
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biopolitical control where you are enforcing that same, you know, spirit of resistance
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that they're bringing up themselves, like through Black Lives Matter, right?
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It's a part of the state's functioning, but it's also through the rhetoric of being anti-state.
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And so if the mass is going through this process where this is an accepted protest, it's something
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socially allowable and socially promoted and enforced, then you're not going to crush down
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on them because that's who you want to appeal to, right?
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That's who the corporations want to appeal to, and that's why they're all a part of the
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But if you're looking at, like, it's not that they don't have the ability, and this
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is why it's anarcho-tyranny, is because they can crack down on it pretty easily and a lot
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Just look at what they do to people on, you know, loosely speaking, the right.
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They've shown that they very clearly can crack down on it and end it, but they don't choose
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So the question now that comes with anarcho-tyranny is why they choose to, like, what's the function
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And it's because they're a part of the managerial state themselves, right?
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And so it's weaponizing that rhetoric against the federal government.
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And the federal government themselves, the Trump administration, is also a part of pushing
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So it's not that the Trump administration is really stopping the left.
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I mean, if you look at the executive order, he actually outright said, gave him a bunch
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of brownie points, like, well, if you look at these monuments, some of these guys were
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fought the KKK and fought the Confederacy, like, they're historically illiterate.
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It's about effective rationalization policies of dealing with a mass, and it's a part of the
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And that resistance, because it's being taken up by the state, is not really a threat to the
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I don't think, yes, I don't think we can, we need to sort of overcomplicate this.
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We need to get, we need to get to its bare essence.
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And I think the best way you can do that is by comparing it to things that have happened
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And so if you look at it, if the whole notion of this virtue signaling, this virtue signaling
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So the way that reasonably intelligent people tend to operate is they tend to play for status
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by taking that which is the view of the establishment, which is the establishment view, and pushing
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it in a more radical direction, a more extreme version, as it were, of the establishment view.
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Not a version, not the opposite of the establishment view, a more exaggerated version of the establishment
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And that's how these things spiral out of control.
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That's how Protestantism spiraled out of control.
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That's how, you know, whatever, that's how these kinds of things spiral out of control.
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But they then become useful to the state that has the more nuanced, diluted version of the now extreme view,
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because these people can be used as these stormtroopers, these shocktroopers of the state.
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They can be used to sow discord and to make people obey and whatever and to scare people.
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And so it's not a bad thing for the government to have people who have a much more extreme
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But they need to be clamped down on occasionally, in the same way that Putin, he's perfectly
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happy to have nationalists operating in Russia.
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But when they go too far, they get clamped down on.
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But that is basically a more, it's the other way with Putin.
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So it's a more extreme version of his own situation.
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And so it strikes me that if you look at something like, well, let's say religion, let's say
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something like Christianity, when Christianity was established and it was the religion of
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the Roman Empire, then you have the people that are the most extreme, like these are the
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equivalent of these Oregon protesters or whatever, who are the monks who take it too
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far and it becomes this extreme spiraling out of control and so on.
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But ultimately, and they have to be reined in occasionally.
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But ultimately, they are taking the state view.
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And they are taking that state view to an extreme.
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And therefore, they are radical, in a sense, even though it is the state view that they
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are taking and they are just pushing it to an extreme degree.
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So that, I think, solves the paradox of how you can be both a functionary of the establishment
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And in doing so, you can be a slight danger to the establishment because you can then start
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As we discussed on the thing with Keith, the way in which you have these Anabaptists who
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came out of Protestantism and then turned on the original Protestants and the original
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I think it's just the same kind of relationship.
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So I kind of get the feeling that although it seems so bizarre, it's very much a kind
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of Ecclesiastes, you know, there is nothing new under the sun.
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I think this could be directly compared to other manifestations, other points of breakdown
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But I mean, like the complicated question for me is to have the situation where it's not
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just you have a virtue signaling mass that gets out of control from within the own ideology
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that it's given to them by the state and they have to rein it in every now and then.
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It's that you have a situation like importantly, where the political authorities are openly
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against the federal government and they're using this political rhetoric and they're denying
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reality openly and they're saying they're fully a part of the radical politics.
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So you as a person that wants to gain power can use this as a means of leveraging more power
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And I think the question here is what is the purpose of the inter-elite conflict going
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on right now when it comes to the Portland authorities versus the federal government?
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Like, I don't doubt that there's obviously like similar phenomena with the Protestant Reformation
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Like there definitely is all throughout history.
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There's been a situation of subsidiary authority versus sovereign authorities and the way in which
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they weaponize the masses, like kind of like the so-called wars of religion where
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princes change religions overnight to appeal to a different crowd, right?
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Like, so it was very little to do with religion.
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But now in this situation, it's I'm simply trying to get the question of what is the function?
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I think I think that in terms of how these kinds of political operators work, they want
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They want to come across as alpha male equivalent, whatever they are, you know, alpha non-binary.
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And one of the ways you can do that is by, you know, you play for status in the same way
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that Pete Buttigieg, is he a queer, played for status with his, you know, fruitless attempt.
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There's no way he was going to be the Democrat candidate, obviously.
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But it's just a play for status, which then empowers him within whatever state he was from,
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Indiana or whatever it was, as a means of running for governor or something like that.
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And so in much the same way, I guess that one of their strategies is just gain prominence
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for themselves to elevate their status within the Democrat Party or whatever it is.
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I guess my my ultimate question is, is there a legitimacy crisis or is there in a kind of
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funny way, not one in the sense that, you know, if you listen to some of these people,
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you would get a sense that there's a serious legitimacy crisis or at the very least,
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a kind of minority of revolutionary actors.
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I mean, they are saying all cops are bastards.
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But then at the same time, I mean, I think it's almost like the genius of the American Empire.
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And it might kind of drive us crazy because we have these, you know, id like right wing
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We kind of want to live in Prussia, you know, where our leaders are badasses and wear military
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garb and, you know, like say, you know, let's say moi, you know, we just that's kind of how
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But the genius of the American Empire is that it's its own contradiction.
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It's, you know, it comes here not to conquer you, but to liberate you.
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And at this point, it's almost like we are liberating you from the white supremacy inherent
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It's this kind of like weird, contradictory, ongoing process that actually has been successful
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There is no, I mean, China, okay, there is no real threat to the unipolar world, even
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though from our standpoint, we see it as kind of, you know, inherently contradictory and
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There's almost no legitimacy crisis at the end of the day.
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There's no one really fundamentally questioning American individualism and liberation.
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Saying these, these people that are saying, we want to bring down the system, those that
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One way of understanding is, it's just like Christian ascetics or something in a Christian
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There's a minority of, they play, they play a certain purpose in the, in the overall scheme
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of things, but it's not obviously going to go their way ever.
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Because if it did, then the group, the group, that group would just be crushed and destroyed.
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But, but, you know, they, they play a purpose in kind of religiously inspiring people that
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are towards the center and pushing the society in a more left-wing sort of direction.
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Again, it's, it's on the, although it does penetrate things that are relatively mainstream.
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So now they're saying, it used to be that they had blind auditions for orchestras to
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So you sit there, you can't see who's auditioning and the person, the death musician gets through.
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Now they're saying, oh, more important than basically good music is that you represent
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demographically, racially, the, the area that you're playing for.
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And so that's the, what Bruce Charlton, my colleague, Bruce Charlton, he has a book called
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It's, it's not just that we're becoming more stupid, so we can't come up with more
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We've literally moved away from an ideology of trying to be the best towards an ideology
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So, you know, so there is some mainstream elements to it, but yeah, you're right.
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These people ultimately, a few of them extreme, they want to live in tents or whatever, but
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ultimately they don't, they want their iPhones and their internet connection.
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And frankly, so many of them suffer from mental illnesses and depression and anxiety and things
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that if these things were taken away, they'd go bonkers.
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There's not a challenge to the American uniprolar world yet.
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I mean, China is overrated when people say it's going to combat that.
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I mean, the fact is their economy is fully bound up with American manufacturing, right?
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So there's, there's, there's no way that they could rise up to challenge American hegemony.
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And even if we're talking on a grand ideological scale, their authoritarian capitalism is still
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And I'll pose that against like Benoit's and maybe even Dugan's hope in this regard.
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But either way, that being said, there is certainly a lot of truth in what you're saying, Richard,
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because you look at what the complaints they're making about the police or about the system,
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like in general, like who gets a job if they're not represented enough.
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You have the right to become an identity you want.
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They're basically saying all these things are not liberal enough, right?
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And so the American empire, it's entirely a part of its own ideology.
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It's just saying, it's just pushing it to its conclusion, right?
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And so it's a mode of governance where you're governing by having them actually fully conformed,
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this rational set of market principles within their own side of resistance.
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And so then they're just affirming American identity from what was latent in the very beginning.
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And then that's becoming like, and it's an interesting thing where there's no real mask behind it, right?
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Like the lie is that they're like in The Dark Knight Rises, that they're like Batman,
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that they're like fascists coming to stop the anarchists.
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But in actuality, the reality that they're doing the Macarena with them is the real face of American strength.
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In the Industrial Revolution in Wales, you have this situation where on Sunday,
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And on a Sunday, you can be the Methodist preacher.
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As long as on Monday to Saturday, you work in the mine and shut up and contribute to the empire.
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Make them think that they're doing something such that their life has eternal significance.
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As long as they, you know, work their very dull job, which they commute to for an hour a day and commute an hour back and put lots of data into computers they don't understand and shut up and pay tax.
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I'm seeing I'm seeing pictures of attorneys with very poorly fitted suits and then pictures of them arrested with these masks covering their face.
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And is there is there that much is there that much of a difference?
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But I think between the Methodist preacher who works down a coal mine, but he's someone radical and important.
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He's so doing something for the betterment of the world on Sundays.
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Tyler, you've combined a metal hoodie with a cowboy hat.
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Now that Brooke's brought it on, this is what I have to wear.
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It's kind of the ultimate the ultimate kind of alt right where traditional cowboy hat plus black metal.
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I think black metal is the shouty one, isn't it?
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It's the one where they just go, ah, I'm not so much.