RadixJournal - Anarcho-Tyranny In Action

00:00:00.000 It's Sunday, July 26th, 2020, and welcome back to the McSpencer Group.

00:00:06.620 We submit to the Schmidt. Joining me today are Edward Dutton and Tyler Hamilton.

00:00:12.720 First topic, anarcho-tyranny in action.

00:00:16.820 America, it seems, is breaking down. The BLM demonstrations just won't end, 0.90

00:00:22.640 and these peaceful protests are getting really violent.

00:00:26.320 Cities look like war zones. Elected officials are joining in and getting gassed.

00:00:32.480 Boomers, who just wanted to grill, now look like they're ready to kill.

00:00:37.140 A federal response from the Trump administration was all but inevitable.

00:00:41.180 But instead of the police or National Guard taking back the streets,

00:00:44.740 we get shadowy, masked figures in camouflage, driving minivans, swooping in to apprehend organizers.

00:00:51.400 What does it all mean?

00:00:52.880 Does Washington view its own territory, much like it does the Middle East?

00:00:57.720 A place full of foreigners, where the only form of engagement is black ops. 1.00

00:01:02.560 The panelists discuss.

00:01:03.980 The U.S. government is getting a bit hardcore

00:01:09.040 when it comes to dealing with the protests and riots and chaos

00:01:16.060 that have eventuated after the George Floyd incident.

00:01:21.340 So we are, I don't even know what week we're on this.

00:01:25.740 I guess the bigger question is when this will ever end.

00:01:29.600 But we've seen protests of the goofy, quasi-religious nature.

00:01:35.580 We've seen just outright looting and rioting.

00:01:39.320 We've seen a semi-sovereign state in the middle of Seattle for a little bit by Roz Al-Soundcloud,

00:01:50.020 one of my heroes.

00:01:51.900 And we are now seeing some kind of federal response.

00:01:57.200 Now, I would say that people like us, along with probably the majority of conservatives,

00:02:05.780 wanted to see a kind of outright, open, mano-a-mano suppression of the riots and violence.

00:02:18.460 They wanted the police to come out in force and put it down.

00:02:23.720 Maybe the National Guard, Trump, indicated that he was interested in doing that a few weeks ago.

00:02:31.140 The other night, I re-watched The Dark Knight Rises.

00:02:34.320 And in the climactic moment of that film, all of the Gotham City police officers who were stuck out of ground

00:02:43.680 just come out in broad daylight and fight Bane and his thugs alongside Batman.

00:02:50.300 I think that that movie is a conservative film, and it's, I mean, for better and for worse.

00:02:55.060 And clearly, Bane is a kind of almost like conservative nightmare of BLM or Occupy Wall Street

00:03:04.400 or any kind of, you know, left-wing group.

00:03:09.120 But again, they were openly put down by the police.

00:03:12.760 In the words of Matthew Modine, there's only one police force in this town.

00:03:17.640 But I don't think we're ever going to see that.

00:03:20.540 And instead, what we seem to be seeing, what seems to be the ultimate solution by Trump and company,

00:03:28.320 is to treat the U.S. kind of like they treat the Middle East, and that is black ops. 0.73

00:03:35.480 Now, these aren't entirely black because in the sense of being completely secretive,

00:03:41.780 in the sense that everyone has a cell phone.

00:03:44.220 And we're now seeing countless images of camouflaged masked men in minivans, of all things,

00:03:55.980 going around and sometimes grabbing the leaders of the protest movement,

00:04:02.320 sometimes suppressing them.

00:04:04.120 There have been some, you know, some scenes of a transsexual antifa or BLM or whatever leader 0.60

00:04:12.100 being pressed to the ground and thrown into a van.

00:04:17.980 And so basically, the United States is kind of becoming like the Middle East. 0.83

00:04:21.640 And so this organization called BORTAC, which is connected with the border control,

00:04:28.280 seems to be the organization that is being used.

00:04:31.320 And actually, the leader of that group has openly confirmed that.

00:04:35.320 There are actually some new information that Trump might very well be using such techniques

00:04:41.600 in Chicago, where not only have there been, you know, COVID, massive COVID outbreaks, massive protests,

00:04:49.460 there's also just been Chicago being Chicago in the summer, which means serious death.

00:04:55.740 And there's actually been a lot of very heartbreaking deaths of infants and children.

00:05:03.120 So this seems to be where we are.

00:05:05.920 There's not going to be an open suppression done by the police.

00:05:10.620 Instead, we are going to treat the United States as the Middle East and engage in black, 1.00

00:05:16.800 semi-legal black ops, effectively.

00:05:20.080 And there's this weird situation where there's an almost constitutional crisis.

00:05:24.840 I'm not sure it's going to amount to much, but where these local liberal officials are

00:05:30.420 kind of saying, you know, we have our constitutional rights and the federal government's encroaching

00:05:34.960 on us and making things worse.

00:05:37.220 You know, the South will rise again.

00:05:39.160 Our state's rights almost sounds a little bit like that, although I don't think it will

00:05:43.100 eventuate into civil war.

00:05:44.360 But this is where we are.

00:05:46.320 So, Tyler, I'll let you go first.

00:05:49.440 Do you want to pick up on some of these threads or bring in something new?

00:05:55.920 Yeah, well, it's interesting because one thing I noticed is that some of them, like the representatives

00:06:00.220 in Portland, were actually outright saying, you know, shouldn't conservatives be defending

00:06:04.360 us because they historically have been defending the idea of states' rights?

00:06:08.120 Right.

00:06:08.300 And they've been using this, like, secondary mode of resistance against the federal government

00:06:13.580 by trying to prop up their own authority on the local and state level against the federal

00:06:19.340 level.

00:06:20.280 And so you have this situation where it's like they're openly saying, like the mayor,

00:06:24.800 for example, the mayor Wheeler, he outright said, you know, the reason Trump is doing this

00:06:28.240 is because his numbers are staggering and he needs to attack the Black Lives Matter movement 0.99

00:06:32.760 in order to earn credentials.

00:06:35.000 Right.

00:06:35.820 And then at the same time, they're saying they're trying to stop this peaceful protest,

00:06:42.080 which is obviously you have to, like, rewrite reality when you say something like that because

00:06:47.120 you just take a quick look at it.

00:06:48.760 And they're saying they're trying to stop the spread of Black Lives Matter.

00:06:52.000 That's what Trump's trying to do, to appeal to his racist base because his numbers are staggering.

00:06:56.180 So you have this inter-elite warfare going on at the level of rhetoric and who they're

00:07:00.880 trying to appeal to.

00:07:01.900 Right.

00:07:02.020 And so I think this goes back, I guess, to the whole question of anarcho-tyranny, which

00:07:06.560 Francis was talking about before, where you have this weird situation in which there's

00:07:12.380 an over-policing when it comes to law-abiding citizens that we've seen in the past few weeks.

00:07:18.380 Right.

00:07:18.840 When it comes to, like, the couple outside of their house, with their weapons.

00:07:23.420 Right.

00:07:23.820 And there's been quite a few instances of that, or the pregnant woman who pulled a gun

00:07:27.360 when those people were attacking her van.

00:07:30.240 And so you have this, but then you have a situation where you can just quickly look at

00:07:34.180 the footage.

00:07:34.680 You could see buildings being burnt down, police stations attacked, people beaten in the

00:07:38.660 streets by anarchists and BLM.

00:07:40.380 And they say, well, it's peaceful protests.

00:07:41.880 And Trump's just trying to stop her peaceful protests.

00:07:44.240 You know, this needs to happen.

00:07:45.740 We need to become more aware.

00:07:46.960 And the state's rights, it's not the federal right to intervene on this.

00:07:50.320 So then you have, of course, Trump's new tactic, what's going on here, which is, like

00:07:55.900 you said, it's not like actually just bringing in full force and just putting a stop to it.

00:08:00.660 It's this weird tactic of bringing, grabbing people here and there, pulling them in for

00:08:05.200 questioning instead of just clamping down on it right away, which would actually, of

00:08:09.440 course, make more sense to do so.

00:08:11.220 Right.

00:08:12.080 So it's a really newer situation for America, I think.

00:08:15.960 I mean, back even in the 60s, when they had these kind of riots going on, they were just

00:08:19.520 brought in the full force.

00:08:21.100 Yeah.

00:08:21.220 But now when they send to the National Guard, they do the Macarena with the protesters.

00:08:24.840 So that's not really what's happening.

00:08:26.280 Right.

00:08:26.860 But it's it's it's a different, interesting situation.

00:08:31.220 But I'll leave it.

00:08:32.060 I'll throw it to Ed for now before I say any more on it.

00:08:35.160 Yes.

00:08:35.760 Yes.

00:08:36.420 I think that it is a it is an interesting it's not an unpredictable situation.

00:08:41.200 I think there's this balance he's got to get.

00:08:43.660 We've got a situation.

00:08:44.800 It reminds me of the sort of Jonathan Haidt, Five Moral Foundations kind of idea.

00:08:48.880 The Five Moral Foundations are care, fairness, hierarchy, disgust and group loyalty.

00:08:54.180 And there's research from Haidt, which has found that conservatives are roughly equal in

00:08:59.540 all of those, although extreme conservatives tend to be very high in hierarchy, disgust

00:09:04.220 and loyalty and not so high in fairness and care.

00:09:06.620 Whereas the leftists are high in fairness and care, but they are pretty much absent in

00:09:13.320 terms of things like hierarchy, disgust and in group loyalty.

00:09:16.280 And what that means is that the leftists can hijack people on the right because the right,

00:09:22.440 the people on the conservatives, they can empathize with those on the left because they

00:09:26.680 have a sense of care and a sense of fairness as well, a sense of equality, whatever.

00:09:31.560 But the left cannot understand those who are on the right at all because they don't

00:09:36.940 beyond care and fairness.

00:09:38.360 They don't share any sympathy for the things which affect and which are important to people

00:09:43.140 that are on the right.

00:09:43.940 And so you can see how people that are on the left can basically use this relationship

00:09:48.360 to hijack and to manipulate those that are on the right and push things in an ever more

00:09:54.160 leftward direction, push the culture in an ever more leftward direction, manipulate people

00:09:59.120 so that they are ever more concerned.

00:10:01.460 This is what's happened since the war, really, but particularly in the last 30 or 40 years,

00:10:05.800 ever more concerned with care and fairness, equality.

00:10:09.280 Those are the big things, care, harm avoidance and fairness, equality.

00:10:13.700 And you get this down to the minutiae of life.

00:10:16.700 I mean, at my son's nursery school, they were asked, we were asked, if you don't send your

00:10:23.720 kid in with birthday invitations to give out because it might hurt the feelings of the

00:10:29.200 children that don't get invited.

00:10:30.680 Instead, here's a list of all the parents' phone numbers, ring up the parents and invite

00:10:35.360 them over the phone, right?

00:10:36.960 That's the minutiae of this.

00:10:39.160 And so we have a society that is so brainwashed with the importance of care and harm avoidance

00:10:44.780 and is so unable to cope with the idea of harm, the idea of hurting yourself, the idea of

00:10:49.180 violence, that to send in the army or the National Guard or the police or whatever, he's got to

00:10:55.000 get that balance right between doing something, between not offending against a society that

00:11:01.220 is so, even conservative people that are so concerned about the idea of care and harm

00:11:07.440 and, oh God, you know, we can't have that, we can't have hurting people, we can't have

00:11:10.020 people hurting, getting even slightly injured, even emotionally injured.

00:11:13.840 And the fact that what you end up with when you have extreme leftism and why there's always

00:11:17.900 a backlash, always there's a backlash, a right-wing backlash, eventually, is that you have a

00:11:23.380 society that is increasingly an evolutionary mismatch.

00:11:26.540 We are evolved to find all five of these foundations important.

00:11:30.520 The average person involves all five of these foundations important.

00:11:33.460 The leftist can hijack society because of his extreme concern about care and fairness and push

00:11:41.060 it in that direction to such an extent that the other three foundations are neglected.

00:11:44.880 And then, of course, the result is we have an evolutionary mismatch and people are unhappy.

00:11:50.220 But those people have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with this importance of care and

00:11:55.140 fairness.

00:11:55.820 So he has to get that balance right.

00:11:57.520 What's the way of getting the balance right?

00:11:59.060 Well, one way is that you don't have anything public.

00:12:01.460 You don't have a Tiananmen Square type of situation.

00:12:03.420 You don't have any confrontation.

00:12:05.580 But you clearly are doing something to redress the balance behind the scenes and letting that

00:12:10.480 leak out subtly, which he's doing.

00:12:12.640 So I think in a society that's utterly brainwashed with the importance of care and harm avoidance

00:12:17.900 and, you know, my child cried because my child didn't get a party invitation or whatever,

00:12:22.860 this is perhaps the most sensible tactic to engage in.

00:12:26.420 And as for Richard's comment about a foreign country, and Richard and I were discussing this

00:12:31.040 on Skype yesterday, I think it was.

00:12:33.320 I thought that was very interesting because if you think about it, when you go into a

00:12:39.420 foreign country as soldiers, part of the reason why you have to engage in black ops, part of

00:12:44.600 the reason why you have to be very cautious, because you don't know how they're going to

00:12:47.000 react.

00:12:47.760 Right.

00:12:47.940 You don't understand them.

00:12:49.380 You don't know where they're coming from.

00:12:50.680 You don't know what they're going to do.

00:12:51.860 You don't know what they're capable of.

00:12:53.580 And in a society that's utterly polarised, where the left is so extreme, so unhinged,

00:13:01.020 like they turn truth on its head.

00:13:02.640 They say falseness is truth and truth is falseness and right is wrong and whatever, you know,

00:13:06.700 just Nietzsche, sort of God is dead, insanity.

00:13:10.420 You don't know what they might do.

00:13:11.720 And so therefore, the best thing to do is to treat them like foreigners. 1.00

00:13:15.280 We're so polarised that we're basically two separate foreign groups.

00:13:19.980 And so to go in there, maybe that's when the North went into the South during the Civil

00:13:24.060 War.

00:13:24.440 Would they have treated them more like foreigners? 0.99

00:13:26.080 I don't know.

00:13:26.640 But you treat them more because that's what they kind of are, because they're so different

00:13:30.440 from you that you can't understand them.

00:13:32.640 Well, yeah, I mean, they reconstructed them to a very serious degree, although that did start

00:13:39.620 to wane after a while.

00:13:41.100 But yeah, they were definitely treated as a foreign enemy that needed to be educated,

00:13:46.560 i.e. brainwashed on some level.

00:13:49.180 Precisely.

00:13:49.580 So that would be Congress with this idea that what you've got is that America is so come

00:13:55.280 apart, in the words of whoever it was, is it Charles Murray who said that?

00:13:59.040 But it's so divided, so polarised that you're treating them as foreigners because there's

00:14:04.380 no fundamental way on which you think in the same way.

00:14:07.940 Whereas perhaps in the late 60s, when it was all the riots around the time that Nixon was

00:14:12.160 elected and around that time, then at least there's a certain level on which you kind of

00:14:17.840 trust each other, kind of, kind of all Americans.

00:14:21.820 You're kind of one group.

00:14:23.040 And this is a usurpation within that group, and you can put it down.

00:14:26.020 But you're not dealing with that.

00:14:27.060 You're dealing with something else.

00:14:27.800 You're dealing with a level of hatred and difference that is so profound that perhaps

00:14:33.000 the best way is to treat them like what they really are, which is foreigners. 1.00

00:14:36.300 And they are.

00:14:37.020 I mean, these are an occupying power within part of America.

00:14:40.920 Yeah.

00:14:41.360 Let me roll on this for a little bit.

00:14:46.000 Um, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that that Tyler mentioned an arc of tyranny because the Sam 1.00

00:14:51.640 Francis concept and I and I think it's a it's a very valid one, but I almost feel like it's

00:14:56.060 being outmoded to a degree.

00:14:58.580 And and I'll explain that.

00:15:00.400 I think the black ops engaged in by Bortak or whatever, are almost like the the other

00:15:07.220 side of the coin of the what all of these horrifying images that we saw of, you know, National

00:15:14.440 Guard or police doing the Macarena with people or kneeling or joining the protests themselves.

00:15:21.580 That was the an almost like comical expression of soft power.

00:15:26.500 So the the police come in.

00:15:28.760 I mean, why do you have a police force if it's not to maintain order in your society?

00:15:34.740 Why do you have an army if it's not to go kill people with it?

00:15:39.000 I mean, that is the essence of these types of organizations.

00:15:42.360 They are they are the brutal end of the spear tip of the spear of the state.

00:15:47.620 And yet in our kind of postmodern world, we've we've depicted these as almost not what they

00:15:53.040 are.

00:15:53.580 So it's like, you know, the U.S.

00:15:55.700 Navy is a global force for good, as they describe themselves.

00:15:59.040 So they're like a humanitarian organization or charity or something.

00:16:03.020 And then the police or National Guard.

00:16:05.040 Well, we're just here to dance.

00:16:06.680 You know, we're not here to, you know, do anything to.

00:16:09.100 Is it this weird kind of velvet glove, you could say, on an iron fist or kind of so on?

00:16:16.000 But then it's kind of the other side of the coin, which is things are kind of getting out

00:16:21.580 of control.

00:16:22.880 They the you know, the even the Roz Simone thing, which, you know, didn't eventuate into

00:16:28.500 anything outside of a three week long, you know, weird, semi sovereign state that just doing that

00:16:37.020 you're you're you're testing the limits of what the state will tolerate.

00:16:40.560 And you have to respond.

00:16:43.140 This these protests are not just some like simulated corporate act.

00:16:47.800 They are real.

00:16:48.920 They can get out of control and the state has to respond.

00:16:51.480 But but it can't respond openly.

00:16:54.540 It has to respond of like the National Guard during the Macarena or the flip side of that,

00:17:00.360 the black ops and weird minivans and mass characters, you know, grabbing people off the

00:17:08.760 streets and pushing down fences and so on.

00:17:12.120 It can't ultimately act openly.

00:17:14.220 It can't be itself in a way that will go ahead.

00:17:19.520 Sorry, I think that's that's the balance.

00:17:21.940 I think if it acts too openly, then you will inflame the leftist nutters even even further

00:17:28.740 and you will get more more degeneration into more violence.

00:17:32.960 But if you don't act at all, then they will they will come, as I say, as I would suggest,

00:17:37.820 a kind of right wing backlash or sort of a backlash against the entire system, a reassertion

00:17:42.840 of these three moral foundations that have been ignored for so long.

00:17:46.300 So many people feel unhappy about and they don't want that either because it would also

00:17:50.180 that would also involve radical change.

00:17:52.100 So there has to be a balance between the two.

00:17:56.560 And that would I suggest be what they're doing.

00:17:58.900 And as for a narco tyranny, what does narco tyranny involve? 0.81

00:18:02.520 Basically, it's the idea that you need to brainwash the population so that they don't

00:18:06.740 question the ruling class or the managerial class or the class that makes money.

00:18:11.420 They don't they don't question them.

00:18:12.640 But you don't do much about crime.

00:18:14.980 You let that sort of you don't really bother controlling that.

00:18:17.880 You let that control itself through through protection rackets, I suppose, or whatever

00:18:22.240 you end up with in response to a lack of law and order.

00:18:25.260 And you enforce laws in a corrupt way.

00:18:27.480 Well, what's the difference between this narco tyranny? 1.00

00:18:29.980 He's he's coined Sam Francis and just the concept of just Tudor England.

00:18:34.740 I mean, that's what that's what that's what a lot of a lot of countries now around the world.

00:18:39.840 That's what Somalia is like. 0.94

00:18:41.600 That's what it's what 16th century England was like.

00:18:43.940 You have a system where the ultimately the population have to be kept in line,

00:18:49.440 arguably, so they don't fundamentally question the system.

00:18:52.440 The state lacks the power, really, to enforce the law.

00:18:56.100 So laws aren't really enforced.

00:18:58.480 You therefore have a gangland where gangs black lit out and the law is occasionally enforced

00:19:03.440 on a corrupt basis, depending on who has power and who decides to do so.

00:19:07.340 And lots of people can just get away with crimes.

00:19:09.500 And that was the system of just corrupt society.

00:19:11.280 That's what it is.

00:19:11.660 It's a corrupt.

00:19:12.160 It's just the essence of a corrupt society.

00:19:14.360 Well, I think it is in its bigger as well.

00:19:18.760 So I don't I don't disagree with that.

00:19:20.740 But what I was pushing towards is how it's a little bit outmoded, because let me try to

00:19:24.880 get at some of the kind of contradictions that are that are going on.

00:19:27.760 So, I mean, I mentioned the Dark Knight Rises and Bain came in and, you know, brought Gotham

00:19:33.100 back for the people.

00:19:35.020 And, you know, if you can go to these protesters and find revolutionary statements in a way

00:19:44.660 that you could not find revolutionary statements like that in, say, the Charlottesville protest

00:19:50.300 or so on.

00:19:51.100 No one said we're taking over the government or we're we're bringing about chaos or something.

00:19:56.100 You can find everyday protesters saying we are going to end the United States as you

00:20:02.300 know it or as we know it.

00:20:04.140 We are going to fundamentally transform with Roz Al-Simon.

00:20:08.640 There was a bit of a revolution there going on.

00:20:12.000 I mean, it was kind of fake.

00:20:13.160 Sure.

00:20:13.400 But he did it.

00:20:15.420 He was questioning sovereignty and questioning law and order.

00:20:18.460 At the same time, the on the other side of this, what we've seen is that the BLM protests

00:20:24.460 are expressing the ideology of the state.

00:20:27.720 I mean, there were some amazing images that I was reposting on Twitter a couple of weeks

00:20:31.360 ago of, you know, the U.S.

00:20:33.340 embassy in many of these countries having big rainbow flags and saying BLM and like Black 0.53

00:20:40.420 Lives Matter in Korea or whatever, you know, gay rights and wherever Somalia, wherever the

00:20:45.700 hell there's a U.S.

00:20:46.840 embassy.

00:20:47.120 And so there's this weird contradiction where the protesters are at one point saying that

00:20:54.760 they want to end the system. 0.95

00:20:56.560 The system, it's not even that it's corrupt so much as it is wicked, that it's white supremacists, 0.97

00:21:02.380 et cetera. 0.96

00:21:02.600 We need to end this.

00:21:03.700 They are at least rhetorically directly challenging the state.

00:21:07.680 And to some degree, they are actually attacking federal buildings.

00:21:10.880 They're bringing about chaos.

00:21:13.220 At the same time, they're doing it through the ideology of the state.

00:21:18.180 And so like the U.S.

00:21:20.020 government, the State Department, the U.S.

00:21:23.200 military empire doesn't fundamentally disagree with the protest.

00:21:28.280 That's their own ideology at some level.

00:21:31.140 It's a bizarre situation where I think it's almost anarcho-tyranny on kind of a new level.

00:21:36.380 Listen, this was what I was getting at when I was saying this is an unprecedented new example

00:21:42.820 compared to how these things were dealt with in the past, like looking at the 60s, is that

00:21:47.100 the idea that they're putting forward while they're saying we need to dissolve the American

00:21:51.380 state, we need to completely dissolve the United States of America, is like you were saying,

00:21:56.080 they're doing it through the ideology of the state.

00:21:58.160 Like you watch the clips, you're seeing priests clapping along, you're seeing a lot of the

00:22:02.240 people being arrested are like attorneys and they're actually a part of the managerial

00:22:05.580 class.

00:22:06.100 You have the mayor of Portland getting in on this, right?

00:22:09.900 You have people in positions of political authority supporting this message.

00:22:14.180 And so this tied in a lot to actually what we recently talked about on EBL, which was

00:22:19.600 we did a show on Foucault, Birth of Biopolitics.

00:22:22.960 And we talked about, which fits in there very nicely with anarcho-tyranny, is the way in which

00:22:27.120 the trace from liberal government up to neoliberalism is this discovery of the natural rationalization

00:22:34.340 of institutions, where you're trying to homogenize society and to figure out the most effective

00:22:38.660 way to rationalize it as a part of the managerial class.

00:22:42.120 So what's the managerial class?

00:22:43.480 It's about, it's competent governance, right?

00:22:45.860 It's not that they're incompetent, they're fully competent, they're aware of what they're

00:22:49.040 doing.

00:22:49.840 But it plays into the role of their ideology because it's a method of affecting a means of

00:22:56.820 biopolitical control where you are enforcing that same, you know, spirit of resistance

00:23:03.500 that they're bringing up themselves, like through Black Lives Matter, right? 0.54

00:23:08.120 It's a part of the state's functioning, but it's also through the rhetoric of being anti-state.

00:23:13.040 And so if the mass is going through this process where this is an accepted protest, it's something

00:23:19.620 socially allowable and socially promoted and enforced, then you're not going to crush down

00:23:25.580 on them because that's who you want to appeal to, right?

00:23:28.420 That's who the corporations want to appeal to, and that's why they're all a part of the

00:23:31.860 same message.

00:23:33.220 But if you're looking at, like, it's not that they don't have the ability, and this

00:23:38.140 is why it's anarcho-tyranny, is because they can crack down on it pretty easily and a lot

00:23:42.980 more effectively.

00:23:43.700 Just look at what they do to people on, you know, loosely speaking, the right.

00:23:48.000 They've shown that they very clearly can crack down on it and end it, but they don't choose

00:23:52.620 to do that.

00:23:53.220 So the question now that comes with anarcho-tyranny is why they choose to, like, what's the function

00:24:00.060 of allowing this to happen?

00:24:02.160 And it's because they're a part of the managerial state themselves, right?

00:24:06.620 And so it's weaponizing that rhetoric against the federal government.

00:24:11.040 And the federal government themselves, the Trump administration, is also a part of pushing

00:24:14.880 the same rhetoric.

00:24:15.720 So it's not that the Trump administration is really stopping the left.

00:24:18.760 I mean, if you look at the executive order, he actually outright said, gave him a bunch

00:24:23.100 of brownie points, like, well, if you look at these monuments, some of these guys were

00:24:26.720 fought the KKK and fought the Confederacy, like, they're historically illiterate.

00:24:32.700 They're just as much pushing the same window.

00:24:34.640 It's about effective rationalization policies of dealing with a mass, and it's a part of the

00:24:39.400 state.

00:24:39.820 And that resistance, because it's being taken up by the state, is not really a threat to the

00:24:44.540 system.

00:24:44.940 It's very much a part of it, right?

00:24:46.560 I don't think, yes, I don't think we can, we need to sort of overcomplicate this.

00:24:53.820 Oh, yes, we do.

00:24:55.220 No, we don't.

00:24:55.920 We need to get, we need to get to its bare essence.

00:24:58.500 And I think the best way you can do that is by comparing it to things that have happened

00:25:03.440 in the past.

00:25:04.500 And so if you look at it, if the whole notion of this virtue signaling, this virtue signaling

00:25:09.780 leads to this kind of insanity.

00:25:12.620 So the way that reasonably intelligent people tend to operate is they tend to play for status

00:25:18.540 by taking that which is the view of the establishment, which is the establishment view, and pushing

00:25:25.140 it in a more radical direction, a more extreme version, as it were, of the establishment view.

00:25:33.220 Not a version, not the opposite of the establishment view, a more exaggerated version of the establishment

00:25:38.060 view.

00:25:38.900 And that's how these things spiral out of control.

00:25:41.540 That's how Protestantism spiraled out of control.

00:25:44.060 That's how, you know, whatever, that's how these kinds of things spiral out of control.

00:25:47.560 But they then become useful to the state that has the more nuanced, diluted version of the now extreme view,

00:25:56.680 because these people can be used as these stormtroopers, these shocktroopers of the state.

00:26:00.700 They can be used to sow discord and to make people obey and whatever and to scare people.

00:26:05.940 And so it's not a bad thing for the government to have people who have a much more extreme

00:26:10.780 version of their own view.

00:26:11.900 But they need to be clamped down on occasionally, in the same way that Putin, he's perfectly

00:26:15.860 happy to have nationalists operating in Russia.

00:26:17.900 But when they go too far, they get clamped down on.

00:26:20.920 But that is basically a more, it's the other way with Putin.

00:26:23.360 He's on the right.

00:26:24.260 So it's a more extreme version of his own situation.

00:26:28.480 And so it strikes me that if you look at something like, well, let's say religion, let's say

00:26:32.060 something like Christianity, when Christianity was established and it was the religion of

00:26:35.160 the Roman Empire, then you have the people that are the most extreme, like these are the 0.99

00:26:38.980 equivalent of these Oregon protesters or whatever, who are the monks who take it too

00:26:42.680 far and it becomes this extreme spiraling out of control and so on.

00:26:47.680 Anarcho tyranny, we could even call it.

00:26:50.520 But ultimately, and they have to be reined in occasionally.

00:26:55.220 But ultimately, they are taking the state view.

00:26:59.180 The state view is Christianity.

00:27:00.800 It's based around Christianity.

00:27:02.380 And they are taking that state view to an extreme.

00:27:06.480 And therefore, they are radical, in a sense, even though it is the state view that they

00:27:11.120 are taking and they are just pushing it to an extreme degree.

00:27:13.880 So that, I think, solves the paradox of how you can be both a functionary of the establishment

00:27:20.360 and also radical.

00:27:22.360 And in doing so, you can be a slight danger to the establishment because you can then start

00:27:25.960 to turn on the establishment itself.

00:27:27.540 As we discussed on the thing with Keith, the way in which you have these Anabaptists who 1.00

00:27:32.420 came out of Protestantism and then turned on the original Protestants and the original 0.94

00:27:36.480 Protestants had to crush them.

00:27:38.460 I think it's just the same kind of relationship.

00:27:40.440 So I kind of get the feeling that although it seems so bizarre, it's very much a kind

00:27:44.760 of Ecclesiastes, you know, there is nothing new under the sun.

00:27:49.000 I think this could be directly compared to other manifestations, other points of breakdown

00:27:53.700 in history.

00:27:55.920 Right.

00:27:56.440 I agree.

00:27:57.120 But I mean, like the complicated question for me is to have the situation where it's not

00:28:03.380 just you have a virtue signaling mass that gets out of control from within the own ideology

00:28:07.860 that it's given to them by the state and they have to rein it in every now and then.

00:28:11.460 It's that you have a situation like importantly, where the political authorities are openly

00:28:15.780 against the federal government and they're using this political rhetoric and they're denying

00:28:19.840 reality openly and they're saying they're fully a part of the radical politics.

00:28:24.260 You have that reformation.

00:28:28.020 You have the same thing.

00:28:28.800 So you as a person that wants to gain power can use this as a means of leveraging more power

00:28:36.140 and more influence.

00:28:37.420 And I think the question here is what is the purpose of the inter-elite conflict going

00:28:42.680 on right now when it comes to the Portland authorities versus the federal government?

00:28:46.560 What's their strategic interest?

00:28:47.920 Like, I don't doubt that there's obviously like similar phenomena with the Protestant Reformation

00:28:52.260 and things like that.

00:28:53.280 Like there definitely is all throughout history.

00:28:55.180 There's been a situation of subsidiary authority versus sovereign authorities and the way in which

00:28:59.840 they weaponize the masses, like kind of like the so-called wars of religion where

00:29:04.360 princes change religions overnight to appeal to a different crowd, right?

00:29:08.800 Like, so it was very little to do with religion.

00:29:11.640 But now in this situation, it's I'm simply trying to get the question of what is the function?

00:29:16.380 Well, I think you make a good point.

00:29:19.100 I think I think that in terms of how these kinds of political operators work, they want

00:29:23.200 to come across as powerful.

00:29:24.380 They want to come across as alpha male equivalent, whatever they are, you know, alpha non-binary. 0.99

00:29:29.700 And one of the ways you can do that is by, you know, you play for status in the same way

00:29:38.220 that Pete Buttigieg, is he a queer, played for status with his, you know, fruitless attempt. 1.00

00:29:45.160 There's no way he was going to be the Democrat candidate, obviously.

00:29:48.040 But it's just a play for status, which then empowers him within whatever state he was from,

00:29:52.180 Indiana or whatever it was, as a means of running for governor or something like that.

00:29:56.700 And so in much the same way, I guess that one of their strategies is just gain prominence

00:30:02.600 for themselves to elevate their status within the Democrat Party or whatever it is.

00:30:08.160 And that's why they're doing this.

00:30:09.960 I guess my my ultimate question is, is there a legitimacy crisis or is there in a kind of

00:30:16.740 funny way, not one in the sense that, you know, if you listen to some of these people,

00:30:23.460 you would get a sense that there's a serious legitimacy crisis or at the very least,

00:30:29.680 a kind of minority of revolutionary actors. 1.00

00:30:32.200 I mean, they are saying all cops are bastards. 1.00

00:30:35.300 The whole system is white supremacist. 1.00

00:30:38.260 We need to tear it down and so on. 0.80

00:30:40.460 They are saying this.

00:30:42.800 But then at the same time, I mean, I think it's almost like the genius of the American Empire.

00:30:48.080 And it might kind of drive us crazy because we have these, you know, id like right wing

00:30:55.000 instincts.

00:30:56.220 We kind of want to live in Prussia, you know, where our leaders are badasses and wear military 1.00

00:31:01.760 garb and, you know, like say, you know, let's say moi, you know, we just that's kind of how

00:31:07.660 we think.

00:31:08.620 But the genius of the American Empire is that it's its own contradiction. 0.82

00:31:16.140 It's, you know, it comes here not to conquer you, but to liberate you.

00:31:22.400 And at this point, it's almost like we are liberating you from the white supremacy inherent

00:31:27.280 in America.

00:31:28.020 It's this kind of like weird, contradictory, ongoing process that actually has been successful

00:31:34.940 in ruling.

00:31:36.020 There is no, I mean, China, okay, there is no real threat to the unipolar world, even

00:31:44.500 though from our standpoint, we see it as kind of, you know, inherently contradictory and

00:31:50.120 silly and childish and almost revolutionary.

00:31:53.860 There's almost no legitimacy crisis at the end of the day. 0.96

00:31:57.500 There's no one really fundamentally questioning American individualism and liberation.

00:32:03.900 Saying these, these people that are saying, we want to bring down the system, those that

00:32:11.340 are the, the extremes.

00:32:13.040 Right.

00:32:13.280 One way of understanding is, it's just like Christian ascetics or something in a Christian

00:32:17.260 context.

00:32:18.080 Yeah.

00:32:18.340 There's a minority of, they play, they play a certain purpose in the, in the overall scheme

00:32:22.720 of things, but it's not obviously going to go their way ever.

00:32:25.320 Because if it did, then the group, the group, that group would just be crushed and destroyed.

00:32:29.460 But, but, you know, they, they play a purpose in kind of religiously inspiring people that

00:32:34.560 are towards the center and pushing the society in a more left-wing sort of direction.

00:32:41.720 Yeah.

00:32:41.940 As for the questioning of individualism.

00:32:43.640 Yeah, you're right.

00:32:44.220 Again, it's, it's on the, although it does penetrate things that are relatively mainstream.

00:32:48.820 So now they're saying, it used to be that they had blind auditions for orchestras to

00:32:53.320 avoid racial discrimination.

00:32:54.840 So you sit there, you can't see who's auditioning and the person, the death musician gets through.

00:32:58.860 Now they're saying, oh, more important than basically good music is that you represent

00:33:05.480 demographically, racially, the, the area that you're playing for.

00:33:10.680 And so that's the, what Bruce Charlton, my colleague, Bruce Charlton, he has a book called

00:33:14.320 Not Even Trying.

00:33:16.160 And that's an example. 0.99

00:33:16.960 It's, it's not just that we're becoming more stupid, so we can't come up with more 0.99

00:33:20.020 genius stuff and whatever. 0.99

00:33:21.280 It's that we're not even trying.

00:33:22.580 We've literally moved away from an ideology of trying to be the best towards an ideology

00:33:27.180 of just trying to just something else.

00:33:30.720 So, you know, so there is some mainstream elements to it, but yeah, you're right.

00:33:34.160 These people ultimately, a few of them extreme, they want to live in tents or whatever, but

00:33:37.420 ultimately they don't, they want their iPhones and their internet connection.

00:33:40.160 And frankly, so many of them suffer from mental illnesses and depression and anxiety and things

00:33:44.080 that if these things were taken away, they'd go bonkers.

00:33:46.960 Yeah, I agree.

00:33:47.440 There's not a challenge to the American uniprolar world yet.

00:33:50.780 I mean, China is overrated when people say it's going to combat that.

00:33:54.120 I mean, the fact is their economy is fully bound up with American manufacturing, right?

00:33:59.340 So there's, there's, there's no way that they could rise up to challenge American hegemony.

00:34:04.520 And even if we're talking on a grand ideological scale, their authoritarian capitalism is still

00:34:09.060 a part of the global finance system, right?

00:34:11.200 So it's not really an authentic challenge.

00:34:13.580 And I'll pose that against like Benoit's and maybe even Dugan's hope in this regard.

00:34:18.460 But either way, that being said, there is certainly a lot of truth in what you're saying, Richard,

00:34:23.960 because you look at what the complaints they're making about the police or about the system,

00:34:29.900 like in general, like who gets a job if they're not represented enough.

00:34:33.460 You have the right to become an identity you want.

00:34:36.460 Cops are too violent.

00:34:37.880 They're basically saying all these things are not liberal enough, right?

00:34:41.400 And so the American empire, it's entirely a part of its own ideology.

00:34:46.020 It's just saying, it's just pushing it to its conclusion, right?

00:34:49.580 And so it's a mode of governance where you're governing by having them actually fully conformed,

00:34:55.620 this rational set of market principles within their own side of resistance.

00:34:59.360 And so then they're just affirming American identity from what was latent in the very beginning.

00:35:08.340 And then that's becoming like, and it's an interesting thing where there's no real mask behind it, right?

00:35:14.060 Like the lie is that they're like in The Dark Knight Rises, that they're like Batman,

00:35:18.520 that they're like fascists coming to stop the anarchists.

00:35:21.740 But in actuality, the reality that they're doing the Macarena with them is the real face of American strength.

00:35:28.660 Yeah, that's when there's nothing behind it.

00:35:32.000 In the Industrial Revolution in Wales, you have this situation where on Sunday,

00:35:38.400 these people could be what they like.

00:35:39.980 They could have their Methodist chapels.

00:35:41.800 And on a Sunday, you can be the Methodist preacher.

00:35:44.100 And you're this radical.

00:35:45.500 And you're going to go to heaven.

00:35:46.820 And other people aren't going to go to heaven.

00:35:48.980 And you're important.

00:35:49.860 You're the Methodist preacher and all this.

00:35:51.340 As long as on Monday to Saturday, you work in the mine and shut up and contribute to the empire.

00:36:00.540 And that's kind of what it's like.

00:36:02.020 That's kind of the thing, anyway.

00:36:03.660 Make them think they're radical.

00:36:05.660 Make them think they're important.

00:36:07.460 Make them think that they're doing something such that their life has eternal significance.

00:36:11.720 And, you know, that's them.

00:36:13.060 As long as they, you know, work their very dull job, which they commute to for an hour a day and commute an hour back and put lots of data into computers they don't understand and shut up and pay tax.

00:36:24.180 So it's quite a quite a clever system.

00:36:26.660 Yeah.

00:36:27.100 I'm seeing I'm seeing pictures of attorneys with very poorly fitted suits and then pictures of them arrested with these masks covering their face.

00:36:37.060 And is there is there that much is there that much of a difference?

00:36:40.100 But I think between the Methodist preacher who works down a coal mine, but he's someone radical and important.

00:36:45.600 And, you know, he's so radical.

00:36:46.980 He's so doing something for the betterment of the world on Sundays.

00:36:51.300 And these people are he's a corporate lawyer.

00:36:53.720 He does bugger all is basically a pen pusher.

00:36:56.320 But he's doing this. 0.86

00:36:57.240 It's similar kind of manipulation.

00:36:58.780 I think that's why.

00:37:08.240 Tyler, you've combined a metal hoodie with a cowboy hat.

00:37:16.160 Remarkable.

00:37:17.920 Yeah, it's in style.

00:37:19.920 Now that Brooke's brought it on, this is what I have to wear.

00:37:23.580 Yes.

00:37:24.020 It's I think it says something.

00:37:27.980 It's kind of the ultimate the ultimate kind of alt right where traditional cowboy hat plus black metal.

00:37:38.940 Exactly.

00:37:40.260 It's the last huge fan of black metal.

00:37:43.960 I'm a fan of Iron Maid.

00:37:45.980 I'm a fan of Iron Maid.

00:37:48.600 I think black metal is the shouty one, isn't it?

00:37:51.580 It's the one where they just go, ah, I'm not so much.

00:37:54.280 Yeah, they growl.

00:37:55.500 Yeah, I he's the one where he goes.

00:37:57.320 Oh, look.

00:37:58.500 There we go.

00:37:59.420 Yeah.

00:38:00.060 Yeah.

00:38:00.340 Yeah.

00:38:00.920 Yeah.

00:38:01.660 Yeah.

00:38:02.100 Yeah.

00:38:02.380 Yeah.

00:38:02.760 Yeah.

00:38:02.880 Yeah.

00:38:03.460 Yeah.

00:38:04.420 Yeah.

00:38:04.880 Yeah.

00:38:05.100 Yeah.

00:38:05.460 Yeah.

00:38:06.100 Yeah.

00:38:06.500 Yeah.

00:38:15.000 Yeah.

00:38:15.680 Yeah.

00:38:16.100 Yeah.

00:38:16.220 Oh yeah.

00:38:17.360 Yeah.

00:38:19.140 I think that was months ago.

00:38:21.360 All right.

00:38:21.840 Yeah.

00:38:22.560 Yeah.

00:38:22.940 Whoa! 0.71

00:38:23.760 Bah! 0.97

RadixJournal - July 27, 2020

Anarcho-Tyranny In Action

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