RadixJournal - Anti-Zionism in The Democratic Party and GOP

00:00:00.000 Do you think that the Democratic Party will genuinely go anti-Zionist in terms of its

00:00:11.040 politicians? And I'll give a few points here. First off, we're talking about 20 years ago,

00:00:18.660 2003. Both parties were totally aligned in terms of Israel. Both parties were totally aligned in

00:00:26.180 2003 on the Iraq War. They were definitely aligned with Israel. Anti-Zionism is something that just

00:00:31.720 simply wasn't expressed outside of the marginal alternative outlets. Things have really changed.

00:00:38.080 And the base of the Democratic Party, I could say it's not anti-Semitic, but I would confidently say 0.50

00:00:45.180 that the base of the Democratic Party is anti-Zionist. And the Groypers are anti-Zionist, 0.95

00:00:50.820 but I don't think the base, MAGA base, is anti-Zionist. And so there's that data point

00:00:58.060 that things have just changed. At some point, the politician has to follow the crowd. They can't

00:01:03.200 just be standing against the wave for too long. They might want to be anti-Zionist just simply to

00:01:09.800 differentiate themselves from Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance. I just feel like, I guess I'm answering my

00:01:17.160 question before asking it. I wonder if Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom are going to actually

00:01:23.040 surprise us in what they say. I feel like they'll go to, they may go to what you might call

00:01:30.800 containment anti-Zionism, right? Let me make the distinction a minute. I've had a few conversations

00:01:36.400 recently with some hardcore Marxist-Leninists. I always think you can always tell what's happening

00:01:42.820 in a scene by speaking to their most outer edges. People like Caleb Morpin and the Communist Party

00:01:49.400 leaders, guys all stand for Stalin and things like this, could just get the view from the outside.

00:01:55.500 And I had a chat with, do you remember when I'd known Tromsky was named in the Epstein files?

00:02:00.200 Oh, yeah.

00:02:00.700 Yeah, I had Morpin on to talk about that, about does this change how we view his work or like,

00:02:06.520 how do we pass Tromsky? Because he is an anti-war figure, he was anti-Zionist and so on and so forth.

00:02:11.560 And Morpin's view is that actually Tromsky was given the kind of role of core anti-Zionist. Does that

00:02:21.080 make sense? And whenever, like he was always there as the kind of outermost voice to shepherd the

00:02:29.260 quote unquote far left back onto a certain type of reservation to get it away from actual genuine,

00:02:36.580 so there's still an element of control there. Another figure like this is Naomi Klein, right?

00:02:42.640 You've got to think, why are these radicals being sold in your local, in your Waterstones and your

00:02:47.760 local bookstore and so on? Why have they got deal with massive New York presses? It's because they

00:02:53.400 also have a structural role. So the Democrat Party's always had enough slack to go to Naomi Klein or

00:03:00.720 Chomsky or Michael Moore or somebody like this, right? There's some slack there. I've already

00:03:06.640 started to hear Gavin Newsom. Like he gave a speech yesterday or the day before saying,

00:03:12.660 why are we bombing little girls? Now, I don't believe for a second that Gavin Newsom will be like

00:03:18.300 a dyed in the wall anti-Zionist. I think when push comes to shove, he'll still be one, 1.00

00:03:24.220 right? As will AOC or somebody like this, but it will, as ultimately will Bernie Sanders, right?

00:03:30.940 Ultimately. But they'll still be having to give quite a bit of lip service to these sorts of

00:03:37.300 talking points. Even if it's an ultimate containment, it's still going to push the party

00:03:41.920 left on these sorts of issues. So I do think they are going to go there and that they are,

00:03:48.040 you could say the pieces are in place already for them to go to these sorts of places. There's the

00:03:53.560 gray zone, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate and all these sorts of characters. They've got a lot of

00:03:59.320 talking points, but it's also a particular type of anti-Zionism. It's not, in this country,

00:04:06.040 there's this Palestinian doctor who has been kicked out of the pro-Palestine movement for being an

00:04:12.460 anti-Semite. Have you seen this character? She's had a house raided. She's had a house raided four 0.92

00:04:17.220 times. Her name's like Dr. Al-Adewan or something like this. And the reason,

00:04:23.560 she's been kicked out of the pro-Palestine movement. And the reason for that is because

00:04:28.500 the pro-Palestine movement is, in a sense, got some controls around it. It's not allowed to be

00:04:34.540 anti-Semitic, for example. And so they're calling her a Nazi and so on, because she's pointing out,

00:04:39.960 hold on a second, what about this? What about that? She's actually just calling them out. And 0.97

00:04:44.140 now she's been kicked out of that movement. And she's a Muslim. She's a Palestinian. She's actually 0.51

00:04:48.520 Palestinian. But she's not allowed in the official British pro-Palestine movement. So I do think that 1.00

00:04:55.340 the Democrats have got enough, even like Chuck Schumer, to go there. You know what I mean?

00:05:00.520 Yeah. He went there a little bit, actually, in the Biden administration. I think after they,

00:05:06.380 Israel, assassinated a pizza delivery man who was trying to feed children or something.

00:05:10.340 He was even saying, at some point, we need to withhold aid. The Obama-era smart young white boys 0.91

00:05:18.580 of Pod Save America, they were just sounding pretty strong on this. We are going to stop

00:05:24.540 all financial and military aid to Israel unless they comply. I think they can go there. And yeah, 0.96

00:05:32.220 it's limited anti-Zionism, no question. I don't think these people are going to 0.51

00:05:36.260 get into Mark Brahman anytime soon. But sometimes you can't limit that thing. It's like the limit

00:05:42.560 is this cup. There's too much water going in the cup. It overflows. I think something similar is...

00:05:48.840 Sorry to interrupt, but I should explain. I mean, I've said this on Nemo shows now,

00:05:52.880 where I think a kind of modest thing for us to wish for and want, which is realistic,

00:06:00.540 is simply for Israel to just become a normal country, to in a way become part of the

00:06:06.180 global American empire and just be another gay liberal country, same as the rest of us, 0.94

00:06:11.480 rather than lapping around as Nazis. And I do think that there's quite a large number 0.99

00:06:16.640 of Jewish diaspora, you could say, who also think this, who think, okay, we have to look at the

00:06:23.640 situation. They're causing us more problems than ever before. It's not consistent. It is not

00:06:31.380 principle. It doesn't appeal to our moral vision at all. And we've built up a lot of social and

00:06:37.780 cultural capital here. So from our point of view, it would just be better if they just went,

00:06:43.880 stop doing this religious nutter thing and go back to being a normal country. And I do think that 0.93

00:06:49.060 there's a sizable number. There's 70% of Jews in New York who voted for Mamdani. They probably 0.96

00:06:55.740 genuinely think this. I don't think it's a ruse or a... I think they're genuine about that. I think there's a

00:07:00.680 even split between Zionists and I guess what you might call internationalists.

00:07:05.280 Do you think that Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and even Candace Owens, who's gone off the reservation a 0.99

00:07:12.720 bit recently, that they too also represent this kind of limited hangout concept, which I had actually

00:07:22.680 just... But also it represents the limitations of the limited hangout. I actually didn't know the

00:07:28.120 origins of the concept of a limited hangout. It's... We use the word hangout a lot in different

00:07:34.100 contexts now, but it actually is an old espionage rule where you go and you give them 80% of the

00:07:41.320 truth, actually. You let it hang out, so to speak. And just enough, not too much. But it's not...

00:07:48.880 You're not giving them disinformation directly. You actually are telling them the truth in a remarkable

00:07:54.660 way. I feel like Candace Owens, she's gone totally nuts. She's talking about Frankist, or are they 1.00

00:08:00.260 Frankist sexual perverts? Are they K-Rs, Turks? Are we the Jews? Because we're Israel. Who knows? 1.00

00:08:06.500 But remember, Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and George Farmer and all... They saw something in her

00:08:14.440 of this black girl who would ultimately be good for them and their aims and even good for the Jews 0.93

00:08:23.840 ensemble. I'm sure Ben Shapiro thought that when he hired that woman. And were they wrong?

00:08:30.700 Tucker Carlson, you can find clips of Tucker Carlson being a neocon. I think he was actually

00:08:36.560 truer to himself when he was a neocon because you didn't see the hysteria and weird laughter and

00:08:43.920 things like that. He was actually more on point and sound and so on. And you see him act in just

00:08:49.480 these kind of hysteric ways when he has to be quasi-semi-antisemitic. So I think they were a

00:08:57.400 limited hangout. On the other hand, sometimes when you give someone 80% of the truth, they figure out

00:09:02.900 the last 20% on their own. And so it's this weird thing with Tucker Carlson where I don't like him,

00:09:11.700 to be honest. And I feel like he is not expressing, not articulating things in a sound fashion.

00:09:22.400 However, and I would probably say, oh, he's just a containment strategy. It's a distraction. He's

00:09:28.460 there to misinform you less than you did about a subject going in. I would say all those things. But

00:09:35.220 on the other hand, just the fact that he's doing this and he's obviously getting all this traction,

00:09:41.320 at some point, the containment breaks down. And you haven't focused all of the anti-Israel or just

00:09:49.900 to be frank, anti-Semitic energy into one little jar. In fact, the jar is broken and it's spilling

00:09:55.620 all over the place. And I think we might, again, I don't like these people and I'm going to continue

00:10:01.080 to criticize them. But just to give the devil his due, we might be at a point where there's just

00:10:08.120 no more containment and it's spilling over and all of these unintended consequences are going to occur.

00:10:14.380 I have a slightly unusual take on Tucker Carlson. And if you see me glazing him, as the kids say,

00:10:19.180 on my timeline. Oh, yeah. It bothers me every time I see.

00:10:21.980 This is where I slightly disagree with you and with Nick. I was convinced by Nick's arguments that

00:10:28.180 Tucker is CIA. Can I continue to believe that he still probably is CIA, which explains an awful

00:10:34.480 lot of things like how he can just randomly speak to world leaders, get security clearance.

00:10:40.500 Now he's talking to Putin. Now he's talking to the president of Iran. Now he's going to the White

00:10:44.780 House three times in a week and things like that. Why, how his streams aren't taken off air,

00:10:50.340 how he's never banned, all the rest of it. And this could just be a cope for me, right?

00:10:55.020 But as someone who's usually seen as one of the most black bill people around, I allow myself one 1.00

00:11:01.740 cope. And my one cope is this, Richard, is that Tucker is part of an ongoing American, you could

00:11:10.240 say deep state operation to rein in the Israelis, not to destroy Israel or to get rid of Zionism

00:11:18.940 altogether, simply to return Israel to being a normal country that plays by the same rules as 0.93

00:11:25.040 everyone else. Okay. And I think that when viewed in that context as a kind of limited, moderate and

00:11:32.220 realistic short term goal, I give him support on those grounds and those grounds alone, because

00:11:38.500 I don't see any, I don't see any scope really for outcomes beyond that for us at this time in

00:11:47.260 history. I don't think we're going to see another expulsion. I don't think you're going to make like

00:11:52.360 the majority of the population anti-Semitic or anything like that. Neither do I necessarily

00:11:58.880 think that you should want that. But as a realistic outcome of where we've been versus where we're going,

00:12:06.140 at the end of all this, you could see a more normal Israel. That's one outcome. And not if 0.98

00:12:10.780 Netanyahu and friends have anything to do with it. They've got much more maximalist aims. I would

00:12:15.800 like the strain, I think, Tucker when he took. So that's why you're right. It is a limited hangout.

00:12:21.720 He doesn't ever go that far. And if you listen to what he says, it is all consistent with that end

00:12:28.280 goal. And I also think this explains why YouTube has been just chock full of former CIA guys,

00:12:35.260 former FBI guys, former military guys, all day, every day, hammering Israel with no censorship 0.94

00:12:43.640 whatsoever. Or how Candy Soins has been allowed to grow into being what, like, how many people,

00:12:49.760 the four or five million people per episode now? And also it may explain why it comes packaged with

00:12:55.980 this kookiness that you refer to, the kookiness. You know what I mean?

00:13:00.920 Yeah. That's where I am. I may not go as far as many people would like, but I'm a realist,

00:13:06.660 sensible centrist, Richard. So I have to take what crumbs I can get.

00:13:10.640 I just want them to go full retard, actually. So that's my strategy. I have my own little CIA 1.00

00:13:18.760 and I have my own little agendas. And I went to promote totally retarded, insanely apocalyptic 1.00

00:13:29.900 Jewish propaganda. I want more of that because the only way out is through. We've tried the little 1.00

00:13:38.460 Israel is its own little country thing. That was actually Herzl's vision, in fact. And it's very 0.86

00:13:46.520 funny. It's we Jews. Yeah, we're gross. Like, we're weird. And we don't get along. We can't

00:13:53.980 assimilate. So we want to pick up the baton of nationalism that is the hot ideology right now.

00:14:04.260 And it's not too far left, not too far right. It's neither left nor right on some level. We want to

00:14:09.040 pick up this baton and be our own secular little country. And we have too many bankers and not enough

00:14:14.560 farmers. We Jews. We got to go back to the land. And this was the way he thought. He's a remarkable

00:14:21.720 man. And that didn't work. That's gone. So I just think at this point, Israel needs to be hoisted by 1.00

00:14:30.140 its own petard. And so I don't know. I'm more likely to promote Reverend Hagee or something than I would

00:14:37.580 Tucker Carlson because I'm like the fact that they're just making they're making like the Bible look

00:14:43.640 so bad. Like they're doing Mark and my work for us. It's I don't know. I that that's my

00:14:50.100 diabolical scheme.

00:14:52.580 It could be. I think it's worth saying that demographically, if you truly believe that

00:14:57.660 demographics are destiny, something I don't believe, by the way, as an elite theorist,

00:15:02.180 pretty much every country ever is ruled by an elite that is not part of people. Right. So I don't

00:15:07.860 believe demographics are destiny. But if you do believe that, I do think that the notion of a

00:15:13.460 secular, normal, liberal Israel, the demographics are against that. Because if you look at who's 0.99

00:15:18.840 breeding in Israel, it's the ultra conservative, ultra orthodox, kind of crazy, almost like quasi 0.73

00:15:25.760 Amish sect. I've got this guy I'm friendly with, Eric Kaufman. I've seen him tomorrow. He's done a lot

00:15:32.080 of work on this. He was actually explaining it to me over dinner one day. He said, look, they're

00:15:36.700 actually breeding at such a big rate that by this point, there won't be any secular Israelis left.

00:15:43.020 It will just be like the kind of it's going to go into like full on fundamentalist retardism at some 0.99

00:15:48.560 point. But as a survival strategy, it's been quite successful because they've solved the one place on

00:15:55.880 earth that has solved the birth rate problem. Like I think their replacement rate is five or

00:16:02.360 something among that group versus sub replacement everywhere else on earth. So that is true. 0.99

RadixJournal - March 04, 2026

Anti-Zionism in The Democratic Party and GOP

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