RadixJournal - Apollo, Dionysius, and Christ

00:00:00.000 I like the idea of having, you know, some type of mythology, you know, it's essentially fairy tales and fables that we teach to kids to like, you know, instill morals into them in a way.

00:00:13.480 And so I can see benefit in that Romans wage war against my people and eventually impose Christianity on them. 1.00

00:00:22.220 So I don't know about if Apollo is really the winning God to go with.

00:00:25.880 All right. Well, I mean, I can I can give you rationale for that because I'm also Northern European, so I'm not, you know, I mean, so I well, let me go back because I think that.

00:00:37.520 So my argument that there is this thing called proto Jews, right? 0.76

00:00:41.920 So I think that what you articulated is the kind of standard position, right?

00:00:46.600 So mine is a kind of unorthodox position, which I accept.

00:00:50.080 I mean, I'm happy to kind of bring this thesis to the world, which I think is the correct thesis.

00:00:54.340 But but I wouldn't, for example, you said that, you know, that you said correctly that Christianity is derived from myths in the Hebrew Bible.

00:01:05.840 That's also true. Right.

00:01:07.800 So in other words, Elisha and Elijah are, you know, Elisha is a or Elijah is a precedent of John the Baptist.

00:01:17.940 Elisha is a precedent of Jesus.

00:01:19.640 And in fact, the sort of meanings of the name Elisha and Jesus are similar.

00:01:25.120 So they're clearly kind of linked figures.

00:01:27.160 And it's actually made explicit in the New Testament.

00:01:30.300 Right. They do the same miracles.

00:01:32.040 Many of the same miracles are.

00:01:33.200 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And some of the miracles are kind of references to like.

00:01:38.440 So, in other words, the crossing in Joshua would be another example.

00:01:42.800 Joshua crossing the Jordan.

00:01:45.400 Right. So Jesus is baptism in the Jordan becomes a kind of reference to Joshua's crossing of the Jordan.

00:01:52.640 But, of course, Elisha, Elisha and Elijah also cross the Jordan.

00:01:57.420 Right. So I think this one really is Jesus as Joseph, as Messiah, son of Joseph, because Joseph is they get the the template for Jesus that he's rejected by his brothers, sold by his brother Judas, which represents the Jews into slavery. 0.74

00:02:14.500 And then he rises up to rule over the Gentile empire, which is Egypt. 0.99

00:02:22.040 Yeah. I mean, Joseph, Joseph is also taken from the Hebrew Bible.

00:02:25.840 So his father is also taken from the Hebrew Bible.

00:02:27.940 That's definitely the case as well.

00:02:29.740 So I don't in I mean, that's I recognize all that in my work as well.

00:02:34.260 So I'm not disputing that. But I what I'm saying, though, is that there is evidence in the ancient world.

00:02:39.700 The ancient mythographers were basically saying that, you know, Bacchus is the same as Yahweh.

00:02:46.340 Yahweh is Typhon. Yahweh is Saturn.

00:02:51.240 You know, this is what the ancient mythographers were saying.

00:02:54.260 L from Canaan, Canaanite.

00:02:55.880 L in Kronos. Right. Yeah.

00:02:58.040 Yeah. So my thing and I'm arguing that, you know, because Jews are kind of symbol wise and symbol intelligent people, that more likely it would seem that the kind of these cults are growing, you know, in the way that.

00:03:11.800 Judaism or rather Christianity grows from Judaism, we could say like the cult of Saturn or the cult of Vulcan and Vulcan would be another example, too, is that Judaism is kind of growing from these earlier cults.

00:03:25.400 Right. And but at the same time, they're kind of shedding their skin. 0.77

00:03:29.760 So that's the argument that I make in the book.

00:03:32.200 And you'll have to you'll have to read it to be convinced of it, I suppose.

00:03:36.680 But I will. And I certainly can go into examples on this call.

00:03:41.000 But and I think that that's a kind of more compelling or convincing argument than the idea that they're just kind of like.

00:03:49.440 You know, plagiarizing and certainly not plagiarizing in a kind of mindless way, because.

00:03:55.400 You know, when you look at the symbolism in the ancient world, there's a kind of coherency to the way the myths work.

00:04:03.740 The parables are kind of there's a kind of consistent use of symbols, you know, across these kind of different myth traditions.

00:04:12.440 So from Sumer to Egypt to Greece, obviously, obvious examples would be lunar symbols versus solar symbols.

00:04:20.860 But it gets more detailed than that. You know, the the use of the symbol, the vine, the use of the symbol, the fish, the use of the symbol, the dove, these sort of things.

00:04:29.300 There's a kind of there's a kind of common symbol language in the ancient world that you encounter that's being used in a kind of intelligent way in one direction from this kind of thonic direction, this lunar or thonic direction.

00:04:43.120 And then from another direction, which is sort of from this kind of solar or Aryan direction.

00:04:48.520 But that often in we it's evidently that the case today, because, you know, we could say that we're still in a kind of Aryan dark age, or at least as it concerns Aryan religion.

00:05:00.060 As it has appeared in the Greco-Roman world, for example.

00:05:04.740 Can I interject real quick?

00:05:06.420 Sure.

00:05:07.700 So so the Jews and the Christians, the rabbis and priests have the most, you know, disturbing thing in common. 1.00

00:05:16.480 My big issue with Judaism is that they want a Moshiach to come and fulfill the prophecies and basically rule the world. 1.00

00:05:22.240 Right. The Christians want the exact same thing. 1.00

00:05:24.820 They both want the king of the Jews, the Moshiach ben David, to come and fulfill the prophecies of the Torah and have the whole world worship him.

00:05:32.920 And anybody that doesn't want to do this is the epitome of all evil in their eyes and is a pagan. 0.86

00:05:38.260 They have a common enemy of the pagans, which really just is a derogatory term for anybody that doesn't want to doesn't worship the God of Israel.

00:05:48.300 And they do.

00:05:49.840 They do fear paganism.

00:05:51.580 They want Christianity. 0.96

00:05:52.580 They want Christianity because it prepared the world for the messianic age. 0.97

00:05:56.920 They created Christianity as a way to impose Noahide laws on the Gentiles. 1.00

00:06:02.480 And they're trying to the agenda is to convert Christianity and direct it in a more Noahide law compliant type of philo-Semitic servant-esque religion. 0.78

00:06:12.220 And the JCPA, they put out an article that's the Jerusalem, what does it stand for?

00:06:21.640 Sorry.

00:06:22.120 I always forget what it stands for.

00:06:23.860 The JC, Jewish Council for Public Affairs, put out an article a few years ago about the neo-paganism.

00:06:30.880 And they thought it was terrible.

00:06:32.560 They're like, these people care about nature.

00:06:34.120 We want them to be Noahides. 1.00

00:06:36.160 We want them to worship our God.

00:06:38.300 So I do see them worried about this, any type of like going back to the old gods type of thing.

00:06:46.260 But I don't know, my hang-up is I don't think that this will genuinely work if people don't sincerely believe that these gods are true.

00:06:56.920 And I think that's why the God of Israel won out is because they did a better job of historicizing their deity.

00:07:03.480 And they convinced everybody that Jesus is a real person.

00:07:06.100 And that's what gives it the power.

00:07:07.380 And that's why Jesus mythicism is such a big idea to expose, because if it comes out that Jesus actually, no, Jesus existed, it looks more like this is a lie.

00:07:16.580 This is a forgery.

00:07:17.560 This is a fabrication.

00:07:18.960 And then you have to go, what was the motive and what was the agenda behind doing that?

00:07:23.340 And then that's where you get that, oh, this has been a Judeo-Abrahamic conspiracy to essentially Judaize the world. 0.92

00:07:31.860 All right.

00:07:32.400 Well, you've raised a couple of points there.

00:07:33.980 Um, so, uh, in the first point was, okay, so paganism, right?

00:07:40.260 So you, you say that they're anti, uh, they're, they're against idolatry and that's true in the Hebrew Bible. 1.00

00:07:45.600 You see that, right?

00:07:46.440 They're against idolatry, uh, most famously, um, uh, the golden calf is smashed and it's replaced by, um, uh, the 10 commandments, right?

00:07:56.520 That's the kind of most iconic example.

00:07:58.900 They're against idolatry.

00:08:00.260 Let me finish my point.

00:08:01.720 Okay, go ahead.

00:08:02.180 Sorry.

00:08:02.380 Yeah, no, because I don't, we don't disagree.

00:08:04.420 As far as explicit Judaism is concerned, it's absolutely the case that they're against idolatry.

00:08:10.060 So you and I agree on that point.

00:08:11.900 Religious Jews and Orthodox Jews are against idolatry.

00:08:16.400 But then of course you have other Jews in Hollywood that are Jews that identify as Jews.

00:08:21.180 They may even identify as atheists.

00:08:24.180 Some of them, some of them are Orthodox Jews though.

00:08:26.960 Some of them go to temple.

00:08:28.140 Some of them don't.

00:08:28.880 Some of them are secular, but they run Hollywood in a very kind of conscious way.

00:08:33.960 And they're engaged in idolatry, very explicitly engaged in a kind of pagan presentation or idolatry.

00:08:40.880 And in fact, you can find the exact same phenomena in the ancient world in the Dionysia, in the Greek Dionysia, which was a worship explicitly of Dionysus, the god Dionysus, who was identified in the ancient world by the ancient mythographers with Yahweh, right?

00:08:59.240 So we see exactly the same phenomena.

00:09:01.740 And this gets back to, you know, what Richard and I were saying before about this kind of caducean phenomenon where they're on both sides.

00:09:08.680 They're running the left and they're running the right, right?

00:09:11.320 I mean, which is something that you would acknowledge, right?

00:09:13.040 So they're both running the left, the political left, which we usually see as kind of friendly to Islam, but kind of secular and atheistic or more so than the Republican Party.

00:09:24.380 And the Republican Party, we see as Christian, we identify as Christian.

00:09:28.180 So in other words, there's a kind of duality to Judaism.

00:09:30.920 It has a kind of crypto aspect to it that you could say is pagan even, right?

00:09:35.980 But it's not really pagan.

00:09:37.600 It's crypto Judaism, effectively. 0.92

00:09:40.300 But it has a kind of pagan expression that where they are creating idols.

00:09:44.300 I mean, evidently they're creating idols.

00:09:45.740 And from our perspective, we would argue that, well, it's, you know, it's not so, it's not necessarily bad that they're creating idols.

00:09:57.120 They're just creating the wrong idols.

00:09:58.660 They're creating, you know, idols of, you know.

00:10:03.360 Like music idols and athlete idols and movie stars.

00:10:06.340 Is that what you mean?

00:10:06.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:07.120 They're creating negative role models, for example.

00:10:10.560 So I think you understand my point.

00:10:14.500 But to your other point, you were arguing, well, people are, it's not going to take off because people don't believe it to be real.

00:10:22.820 They don't believe the God to be real, which is your argument.

00:10:26.940 Well, our goal is to appeal to, like, you know, the most intelligent people, right?

00:10:31.920 So we're not trying to, like, we're not trying to convince the Christians.

00:10:35.500 And, in fact, probably most of the people that will be drawn towards Apolloism will be sort of beyond Christianity.

00:10:42.500 Not in every case.

00:10:43.300 I mean, I think we've had some people who were Christians.

00:10:47.260 I mean, I guess that's the other thing that I would say, Adam, is that, like, we're growing and people are excited about this.

00:10:52.400 So it's not like whether this works or not.

00:10:55.100 It is already working.

00:10:57.620 But what I would say, too, is, again, that it's not a religion for everyone, right?

00:11:02.840 So, and I think that probably people who are Christians, it would be less appealing to. 0.97

00:11:07.340 So people who require a kind of superstitious vision or view of the world would not find this appealing, right?

00:11:15.960 But, again, I mean, and there is a kind of utilitarian aspect to what we're doing in the sense that we're building a, you know, on one hand, it's a kind of trade guild.

00:11:24.900 We're organizing together and we're also, but I'm also, you know, through my work, I'm also teaching a kind of symbol language so that people can create art so that we can have artists that are basically making kind of Apollonian works of art.

00:11:38.340 And basically, essentially doing the same thing that Jews are doing in Hollywood, which is in Hollywood, they're creating what I call Jewish esoteric moralization, where, you know, effectively you're seeing non-white or Jewish characters succeeding over white characters. 0.96

00:11:53.740 But there is a kind of complexity to it, and there is, you know, especially in kind of earlier phases, there's a subtlety to it and a kind of esotericism to it where they're carefully, you know, encoding parables and using in an intelligent way a kind of symbol language to make their myths.

00:12:10.900 And these myths are ultimately demoralizing to us, so that we, that these myths too would be a way, they would also be one of the ways that we would speak to a kind of a larger society, right?

00:12:22.760 I got a question, Mark.

00:12:24.060 Sure.

00:12:25.200 Why is it, why just the focus on Apollo?

00:12:27.660 Isn't there, there's tons of Roman gods.

00:12:31.040 So why, why do you have him as the, the one that's front and center?

00:12:35.500 Well, he's the most important God.

00:12:37.400 And, and, and we think that the, or from our perspective, he's the most important God.

00:12:41.140 And he, he's also the God that is most clearly an Aryan God. 0.85

00:12:45.320 He's the Hyperborean, right? 0.98

00:12:46.920 He's the blonde Hyperborean. 1.00

00:12:48.700 So you've, you've said Aryan a few times.

00:12:50.480 What exactly do you mean by that?

00:12:52.080 Like what, what's, I don't know what you mean by Aryan.

00:12:56.600 Hyperborean.

00:12:57.540 Nordic.

00:12:58.300 It would be, you know.

00:12:59.500 What do you mean by Hyperborean?

00:13:00.480 Well, not only Nordic.

00:13:01.680 I mean, the Aryan is synonymous with the Indo-European peoples.

00:13:07.400 That, that, that we can identify through a language group.

00:13:10.420 So, uh, you know, you could say the white race.

00:13:13.380 I don't, it, a lot of overlap there, but, but you, we would, we would understand who we

00:13:20.280 are through a shared group of languages that would include Hindi and, uh, um, Persian cultures,

00:13:30.140 uh, as well as more obviously, uh, European cultures.

00:13:33.480 So are you guys kind of like going back to like a Hyperborean religion and the Roman religion

00:13:41.180 from 2000 years ago?

00:13:43.160 Like, but you kind of implement incorporating both.

00:13:45.940 Cause they're, they're not really essentially the same, right?

00:13:49.280 There's, well, I mean, Latin is a fundamental Indo-European language.

00:13:55.360 So, I mean, they're, they're deeply connected, connected.

00:13:58.160 They're of some root.

00:13:59.140 I, I, I don't want to speak entirely for Mark.

00:14:01.400 I think you would agree.

00:14:02.420 You know, it's, you know, uh, to quote Nietzsche, um, the Greeks can't mean as much to us as

00:14:08.280 the Romans, like the, the Romans got it right. 0.98

00:14:11.340 They were able to integrate a world and, and, and sustain a civilization that really has not

00:14:21.300 been surpassed.

00:14:22.780 Have you been to Rome?

00:14:23.400 We do.

00:14:25.060 I, I've certainly been to Rome.

00:14:26.600 Yeah.

00:14:27.620 You, oh, are you, are, am I sensing some anti-Italian bigotry?

00:14:31.300 No, no, no.

00:14:32.120 I've been to Rome too.

00:14:33.200 I thought it was amazing.

00:14:34.700 Oh, okay.

00:14:35.780 Good.

00:14:36.320 Good.

00:14:36.660 What's, what's right there?

00:14:38.180 Let me address this point.

00:14:39.340 Well, so I, yeah, I mean, uh, just to address Adam's point though.

00:14:44.320 Yeah.

00:14:44.460 I mean, we're both Apollonian and, uh, and Hyperborea or the Hyperborean is, um, Apollo

00:14:51.300 is the Hyperborean.

00:14:52.500 That was his epithet.

00:14:53.780 So he's understood as the founder of, um, the Greco-Roman civilization.

00:14:59.240 Uh, he founds, uh, uh, the Oracle, uh, uh, Delos.

00:15:03.660 He founds the Oracle at Delphi.

00:15:05.020 He slays, you know, serpents at Delphi and establishes an Oracle there.

00:15:09.580 And he's, um, and he was understood by the ancient mythographers as the only God that

00:15:15.220 was worshiped by the Hyperboreans, right? 0.95

00:15:17.620 So Hyperborea means above the North wind.

00:15:20.060 Um, so, and what they're describing is a kind of Nordic Aryan race that's, um, you know,

00:15:26.480 described by Apollo himself, who's the blonde, you know, fair God, um, in contrast to other 0.53

00:15:33.200 gods that appear, um, in that pantheon, uh, such as Bacchus.

00:15:37.280 Also, let me, let me jump in on this.

00:15:39.760 I, I have, uh, three or so ideas that I, I think will help communicate this to Adam.

00:15:47.200 So, um, there's an almost built in Hyperborean quality to Indo-European languages.

00:15:57.340 So there are these remarkable cognates between the languages.

00:16:02.700 Um, you can think about like the Hindi word Raj, uh, which you've probably heard, which

00:16:08.000 is related to Rex in Latin, um, meaning King, obviously.

00:16:14.220 Uh, there's some interesting aspects of the language as well.

00:16:17.400 Um, Indo-European languages, even to this day, uh, share a word for snow.

00:16:23.240 So you can think of snow in English, uh, Schnee in German, Nege in French, uh, the S has been 0.96

00:16:31.660 dropped, but it is the same cognate.

00:16:33.660 Uh, we don't, however, share cognates for oceans.

00:16:39.300 Uh, so there's mer, uh, there's zay, ocean, ocean, uh, all of these words.

00:16:46.460 This seems to imply, um, that we had a snowy origin and that that cognate, which exists

00:16:56.340 in Persian, it exists in, um, it exists in Farsi, it exists in Hindi, uh, that snow cognate

00:17:04.000 is actually much older than our words for ocean.

00:17:07.880 So we actually originated, um, on mountaintops or in a snowy climate to some degree.

00:17:14.140 And we spread out and began developing other words for oceans.

00:17:21.580 Uh, you can see some words, uh, for rivers and boats, nautical also indicating that there,

00:17:27.700 there, there is a, um, a kind of longer history of those words.

00:17:31.820 Um, so, you know, there, there's a, there is an implied or, or kind of inbuilt hyperborean

00:17:39.100 quality to Indo-Europeanism or Aryan.

00:17:44.180 Um, but I, I would, I want to go back a little bit on this in terms of what it means to believe

00:17:52.780 in a God, uh, because I, I do think that's a crucial question and, and certainly something

00:17:58.400 that, you know, we get all the time, which is that like, oh, you know, what's the difference

00:18:04.160 between what you're doing in Scientology or you're just inventing gods and blah, blah,

00:18:09.500 blah.

00:18:09.680 Um, I, I, I think this Christian faith is something that is unique and even the Christian historicity

00:18:21.660 is something that is unique and can be powerful, but it also, as, as you would agree, it can be

00:18:30.380 undermined.

00:18:31.240 So when you begin talking about the mythical or Dionysian or, or aspects of Jesus or the,

00:18:41.060 his fulfillment in the Pentateuch, it kind of undermines it.

00:18:44.080 I, I do think that most all people out there, most all Christians that is, think that there

00:18:50.120 was a man named Jesus and maybe he didn't do all these miracles of, you know, water to wine

00:18:58.040 and, and, and, and expanding the loaves of bread, et cetera, raising someone from the

00:19:02.580 dead.

00:19:02.980 But he was a real person, a real historical actor of great significance.

00:19:08.980 And that when the ancient world heard of his deeds and miracles, they, they converted on

00:19:15.500 mass.

00:19:16.000 Well, there's not really much of any evidence for that.

00:19:20.860 You have some mentions of him and Josephus, et cetera.

00:19:24.560 He's absent in many histories there might very well have been some, you know, preacher named

00:19:32.180 Josh, you know, hanging out around 33 AD or so.

00:19:38.300 But the, the notion of a real historical Jesus Christ, that is that he possesses historicity

00:19:46.980 is dubious at best.

00:19:51.500 But I think this, you know, like to go back to the Copenhagen thesis and the, the suggestion

00:19:57.020 that there is a later date of the, the, the Jewish Bible, you, you have to wonder like,

00:20:04.600 to what degree did ancient people believe like Christians believe?

00:20:11.880 You know, did they, I get what you're saying.

00:20:15.100 I got a book from the library recently.

00:20:17.020 It was about like the, the switch from the pagan Rome to create, to the Christian Rome. 0.91

00:20:22.920 And they, they said like the, the concept that Christians have, like, do you believe in

00:20:27.280 God?

00:20:27.600 Like the, the Romans didn't think of it in that way.

00:20:30.560 It was kind of more like they didn't believe they literally existed.

00:20:34.720 It's just, well, let me, let me just expand on, let me expand on this a little bit.

00:20:39.080 I, I'm, you get what I'm saying, but I, there, there's some interesting things.

00:20:42.820 So like.

00:20:43.180 They're concepts.

00:20:44.500 Yeah.

00:20:44.780 You can think of like Hesiod or, um, uh, or Homer.

00:20:50.020 You, you could almost think of those, like the gospels of, of ancient paganism, but I think

00:20:56.220 that's wrong.

00:20:57.060 They're like mascots for, for concepts.

00:20:59.000 Right.

00:20:59.660 Yeah.

00:21:00.340 Yeah.

00:21:01.020 And, and, and so I, the, the notion that like Zeus actually walked around and,

00:21:09.080 transformed into a cow and made love with Europa, like the, the degree to which the

00:21:15.900 ancient people, I mean, I don't believe that they were so benighted and like, they

00:21:20.540 were just children or something.

00:21:22.220 And they believe that this really happened, you know, last Tuesday, last year, Zeus came

00:21:27.420 down and whatever.

00:21:28.160 I don't believe that from what, from what we can tell, the ancient Greeks were highly

00:21:34.840 intelligent people and they were possessed of a skeptical mind.

00:21:41.160 Uh, they were highly literate, uh, et cetera.

00:21:44.200 I don't, I don't believe there's, they were like a child who believes in Santa Claus, you

00:21:49.400 know?

00:21:49.620 And we all like what, whether you're eight years old or maybe even 12 or something, you,

00:21:55.080 you, you hit some point where you no longer believe in Santa Claus, but you also kind of

00:21:59.660 play along, you know, like, you know, I, I don't remember exactly when I don't, nine

00:22:05.140 or whatever like that.

00:22:06.040 I, I kind of no longer believed.

00:22:08.840 And I, I, I had a bit of skepticism and I, I heard some, you know, a criticism of Santa

00:22:14.560 among other students or older students or whatever, but I also just kind of played along.

00:22:20.600 I, I got the spirit of Christmas, so to speak.

00:22:23.140 And I didn't really want to reveal that to people.

00:22:26.460 And I still like Santa to this day.

00:22:29.720 And, and so there's a kind of like realistic, you know, notion that I, I think was present

00:22:38.100 in the ancient world.

00:22:39.160 And what is unique is, you know, if, if you are a Christian, you absolutely must believe

00:22:47.000 there was a guy named Jesus who rose from the dead.

00:22:51.940 Like he actually did that.

00:22:54.240 It is not a metaphor, you know, and, and so on.

00:22:58.200 You have to believe that.

00:22:59.580 And, and I think that, that faith concept that, that all these Christians have struggled

00:23:04.000 with, you know, Martin Luther famously struggled with faith and so on that, that's a kind of

00:23:10.180 new thing.

00:23:12.100 And it's, it's not totally distinct from, from the way that, that, that pagans, you know,

00:23:19.260 understood their gods, but, but it really is new and it really is unique.

00:23:23.940 And I, I do think that the, the modern world where we're, we're overwhelmed by information,

00:23:30.620 in fact, we're overwhelmed by skepticism.

00:23:32.760 I, I, I think we're almost kind of ripe for a, a new way of believing.

00:23:41.700 And, and this is my, my third point that I would push back on you.

00:23:46.100 Now you might deny it, but I sensed a little, a little skepticism, maybe a little sarcasm

00:23:51.900 when you were claiming, don't worry about it.

00:23:55.620 When you were, when you were saying, you know, you want to invent a new God that's going

00:23:58.980 to wage war against Yahweh or, or something like that.

00:24:02.400 But I, I would, I would stress this.

00:24:07.060 I, I think Christian faith is unique.

00:24:10.140 It's something that was brought into the world and it really changed us and it changed, it,

00:24:15.660 it changed our psychology. 0.95

00:24:18.000 It kind of mind fucked us in a way, if you want to use a vulgar term like that. 0.91

00:24:22.880 Um, but I do think that religion is part of who we are as, as human beings. 0.98

00:24:32.660 You know, there, there is something to that phrase that you'll hear from Christians where

00:24:37.980 they'll say, once people stop believing Christianity, they won't believe in nothing, but they'll 0.95

00:24:43.060 believe in anything.

00:24:43.960 And so they'll, they'll believe in crystals or they'll worship Marianne Williamson as a

00:24:50.580 spirit deity or, or, or, or, you know, they'll join Scientology or they'll get obsessed with

00:24:57.000 Marvel comic books.

00:24:58.180 Like that, that is a reality that is actually very true.

00:25:02.380 Like there, there's a lot of religious impulses you see among secular people.

00:25:07.560 And I think that gets to like a, a deeper, uh, existential fact of religiosity.

00:25:16.580 Like we are a religious species and religion allows us to act in groups.

00:25:26.140 So it's a way of consensually it, you know, at least on the surface, like, you know, we're,

00:25:32.820 we're all in the same team.

00:25:34.280 You don't have to force someone to do something you, you, you might terrify them with hellfire

00:25:40.900 or the fear of God or whatever, but you're basically getting everyone on the same page.

00:25:46.380 And, and we become like a school of fish or like a flock of, of birds where, you know,

00:25:52.200 if you, if you look at a flock of birds, like they'll, they'll adjust as a group.

00:25:56.500 It's not like there's one bird that goes off here and the other one goes off left.

00:26:00.260 Like they'll, they'll kind of, they'll be on the same team and they'll kind of flow in

00:26:04.540 that way, even, uh, you know, to use the team as a metaphor, you know, when a basketball

00:26:09.040 team is really working, you know, you, you just kind of, the point guard just kind of

00:26:13.760 knows that the forward's going to do a behind, you know, backdoor cut or something, or he'll

00:26:19.860 do an alley up.

00:26:20.580 He just knows that he senses it because they're all on the same page and they're kind of connected

00:26:24.560 psychically.

00:26:25.820 And I know this sounds a bit woo woo, but I don't think it actually is woo woo.

00:26:30.540 You know, like you, you know, the guy is going to be open and you throw it right when

00:26:35.480 he turns, you just know it.

00:26:37.380 And, and, and you're, you're psychically connected with him in some, in some way that we might

00:26:42.980 be able to uncover via science, but it's there.

00:26:46.080 And a whole society can be connected in this way.

00:26:49.860 But we, you know, we're not going to survive and, and I don't, and I don't think we're

00:26:54.600 going to really be who we are as human beings.

00:26:57.460 If, if we are just like engaging with each other via like money or force, you know, there,

00:27:04.400 there has to be some kind of hurting, you know, channeling psychic, psychic mechanism

00:27:11.980 that brings us together.

00:27:13.160 And I think we evolved this many, many years ago.

00:27:18.980 I think that this religious instinct, which you can see certain glimpses of it in animals,

00:27:26.060 like we, we have, but, but it's, it is human and we evolved it like millions of years ago,

00:27:33.940 perhaps definitely tens of thousands.

00:27:36.500 And so this is like a fact of who we are.

00:27:40.420 And so to address another religion or even overturn it, you have to, you have to give 0.99

00:27:47.760 another, put another religion in its place.

00:27:50.020 You, you know, I, I knew atheism is kind of attractive in some way.

00:27:54.140 I, I have admiration for, for Hitchens and Dawkins and company.

00:27:59.700 I agree with them on a lot of things, but that kind of mentality is just an ultimate failure.

00:28:06.940 It's not going to work.

00:28:08.160 It's not going to speak to people.

00:28:09.620 You need, you need to offer something that's going to replace this Judeo-Christian religion, 0.99

00:28:16.040 which is, you know, on the one hand withering and dying.

00:28:19.820 And on the other hand, developing it into these comically absurd ways.

00:28:26.340 Yeah.

00:28:26.920 And it's also, I mean, the other aspect of that too, is that, you know, nature pours a vacuum

00:28:31.920 and Jews want to, they want to occupy that sort of vacuum, that, that sort of spiritual 1.00

00:28:37.660 psychological space.

00:28:39.520 This is evidenced by their desire to control media, right?

00:28:43.080 They want to give us our stories and give us our, our mythos and the sort of ethos that

00:28:48.900 comes from that mythos.

00:28:50.920 And we have to do that, right?

00:28:54.940 And, you know, and part of it too, is defining religion as Richard alluded to.

00:28:59.480 I mean, it's, I mean, Christianity almost falls under a different, entirely different

00:29:04.320 category.

00:29:05.180 It's, you know, in terms of, it's a different type of religion than the Greco-Roman religion,

00:29:10.520 again, which, you know, was not a superstitious religion.

00:29:14.260 They viewed Christianity as a superstitio.

00:29:18.000 I mean.

00:29:18.360 As atheism too.

00:29:20.380 Yeah.

00:29:20.620 As atheism.

00:29:20.880 Or Judaism was atheism. 0.85

00:29:22.160 Yeah.

00:29:22.440 So, yeah.

00:29:23.120 So it's a kind of like, so they, they sort of accepted the reality of the world.

00:29:27.940 I mean, we're, you know, this appears to be what we understand from the Greco-Romans,

00:29:33.560 that they accepted the reality of the world, of the material world.

00:29:38.400 And, you know, to the extent that they were, you know, especially the adherents, I mean,

00:29:43.400 when you see these cults obsessed with sort of the afterworld or the hereafter, before

00:29:48.520 Christianity, there are these sort of phonic cults, the Orphic cults, you know, the cult 1.00

00:29:56.720 of Adonis, the cult of Bacchus.

00:29:58.680 These are the cults that are interested in the hereafter and the afterworld.

00:30:02.740 But they were, you know, very kind of family-based.

00:30:06.300 They were interested in the familia, the gens, the race, the family.

00:30:12.520 And their gods are even, you know, modeled as a kind of family.

00:30:15.520 I mean, and I guess this goes back to the earlier question that you asked that, you

00:30:19.000 know, why Apollo?

00:30:20.260 Why the focus on Apollo?

00:30:21.680 Well, again, Apollo is kind of the center of it.

00:30:25.620 He's the founder.

00:30:27.060 He's the god that was worshipped alone by the Hyperboreans. 0.92

00:30:30.440 So he represents a kind of the first like sort of seed or kernel in our view.

00:30:36.220 But there are other figures that are kind of serve a useful parabolic function.

00:30:41.960 And those would be figures like Jupiter, who is, you know, literally he's overthrowing

00:30:47.000 the Jewish god.

00:30:48.300 He's overthrowing Saturn, right?

00:30:49.980 And he allows for the conditions in which Apollo appears, who is this kind of god that represents

00:30:56.520 more than the sun and the future and the sun as in someone's sun, while also having that

00:31:03.840 solar aspect.

00:31:05.680 And he has a kind of eugenic aspect to him, right?

00:31:10.800 Where it's about creating a kind of ideal fertility god that represents sort of the best of the

00:31:20.220 Aryan race.

00:31:21.720 And again, I mean, I think that we're not really interested in recruiting people that

00:31:27.900 are like, it's definitely not a populist movement that we're engaged in.

00:31:32.420 And our hope, and, you know, it won't necessarily be the people that are part of the movement

00:31:39.240 right now, though we hope to be part of it as well, is that what we're working on is a

00:31:43.460 kind of nascent, like aristocracy, you know, for our people.

00:31:48.920 And that this would, or nobility, and that this would, you know, even if we're unable to

00:31:55.540 kind of establish that or achieve that, that the ideas will be out there in the way that

00:32:00.160 Marxism is out there or Christianity is out there and someone will establish it.

00:32:05.480 And, you know, we think that Apollo is kind of, you know, it's, again, it's not a kind

00:32:12.120 of religious revelation in the Christian sense of that idea.

00:32:16.020 It's kind of a deduction.

00:32:17.220 We just see him as kind of the clearest or the best and sort of clearest banner to kind

00:32:23.940 of gather around.

RadixJournal - February 11, 2023

Apollo, Dionysius, and Christ

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