RadixJournal - Barbenheimer

00:00:00.000 i i actually tend to agree um so let's in this line let's talk about barbie a little bit so i

00:00:09.000 have not seen barbie um but you have and you know i have to say i i do like margot robbie just kind

00:00:20.580 of does it for me that that she's a little bit crazy and then she's obviously beautiful

00:00:27.500 and so i just i kind of like her she's not just a kind of pretty face actually she has this like

00:00:33.060 weird kind of crazy charisma that i like um so i i would see it just on her behalf but um i actually

00:00:43.400 think the movie looks pretty good and the fact that ben shapiro freaked out makes me think that

00:00:50.140 it's actually it might be really good but again haven't seen it yet but give us your take on it

00:00:56.020 so i don't know to what extent do you take spoilers on this show oh do you should i be spoiled in this

00:01:03.600 don't spoil it too bad okay say well uh my comment on my twitter clips and this is one thing i love

00:01:13.600 about the change of feeling must to twitter my twitter clips are extremely popular i make tens of

00:01:19.500 thousands hundreds of thousands of views on the top one uh my comment is barbie has been the most

00:01:26.240 complex movie of 2023 it is much more profound than even openheimer which is bizarre but that is why

00:01:34.720 your your thumbnail that you chose on your sub stack is so evocative to me now i am become deaf

00:01:41.120 the destroyer of worlds written in pink but that is that is literal barbie is a deeper movie about

00:01:49.580 the state of human civilization than openheimer has succeeded to be wow and uh so basically the

00:01:57.140 structure and i'm not going to get to the end but the the the beginning setup of barbie is that there

00:02:05.000 there is a barbie world and then there is the real world and the barbie world is the place where

00:02:11.580 imaginary wars of the sexes are happening the males are ultra male and when they take power they are

00:02:20.020 they are ultra masculine and to to the point of ridicule and parody and when the females take power

00:02:26.760 everything is pink and they are overly taking power in a female way so basically the space that they've

00:02:34.240 created is a very special type of physics because there's traveling between the two universes it's

00:02:40.340 not really clear it's not technical you just have to believe that there are two worlds yeah and they they

00:02:45.880 kind of uh travel between the two but they've set the barbie world to be this place where everything

00:02:51.640 is exaggerated and ultimately the barbie world exists in our minds the barbie world is this war this

00:02:59.980 culture war that we hold not in reality but in our mind and when we get to reality we realize that

00:03:06.420 there are so much more things important love you know and no one is a super barbie and no one is a

00:03:14.120 super masculine can either and i think that the message of the movie is so good because it says

00:03:22.000 to the marxist feminist your your illusion of the patriarchy is plastic it belongs to the barbie world

00:03:31.700 leave it behind and become a real human and you'll realize that the the toxic masculine

00:03:37.980 psychology that you've projected onto males doesn't even really exist it belongs to barbie world just as

00:03:45.760 much as the superficial capitalist exploitation of woman uh belongs to barbie world and it is so

00:03:53.480 beautiful to hear this message i i was just floored by the profundity of this movie in 2023

00:04:00.120 i you're you're kind of i i feel touched actually by the way you described the film i i definitely want to

00:04:10.720 i i definitely want to go see it i've heard this from some other people even laura loomer

00:04:15.340 herself i was kind of saying it's not a woke movie it's and it's and there's like a reconciliation

00:04:20.740 between a mother and a daughter exactly uh in in the film and uh so yeah i i i think once again

00:04:29.180 someone like ben shapiro there he has a didactic dogmatic mind and so he can't perceive this like

00:04:39.160 if ben shapiro who is a failed screenwriter wanted to write a movie it would be like some of those

00:04:46.840 kirk cameron movies from 10 years ago where there's someone who doesn't believe in god and then his dad

00:04:54.060 like dogmatically makes him believe in god which you know maybe that could work on some hypothetical

00:05:03.780 universe but it's actually not appealing at all and it's just about arguing with someone basically

00:05:11.780 like that's the type of movie that ben shapiro would want and when you explore something that is

00:05:18.640 a little extreme or a little fantastical or or kind of over the top or maybe something that expresses

00:05:26.860 the the kind of uh darker sides or animalistic sides to human nature he's just like no no no no

00:05:34.380 that's not moral no no that would uh ruin the economy you know and and it's like you just don't

00:05:40.320 fucking get it do you yeah you just don't fucking uh anyone who says that barbie is a woke movie

00:05:47.940 it's an iq test to me they are below 115 interesting because they have taken the whole plastic world made by

00:05:55.600 the director and they think this is the movie but they they misunderstood the very ending of the movie

00:06:02.260 at the end barbie gets her meeting with god and i'm not gonna say what happens but you have to

00:06:09.060 understand how this meeting with god relates to everything we've seen it means that what was

00:06:15.580 experienced in the barbie world was not real the whole woke stuff was not real just like the whole

00:06:22.020 masculinist overtake was not real it was all imaginary and it was representing uh idealistic

00:06:29.000 versions of ourselves that we should leave behind if we want to reconcile everything in civilization

00:06:34.900 from the current gen z marxist revolted teenager with her mother the male with her with his wife and

00:06:44.340 uh the the future mother in a way it's a movie about a coming of age because the whole fight that

00:06:53.480 happens between the sexes is a fight that happens in the head of a 20 year old female if you will which

00:06:59.780 i know margot robbie is not 20 year old but right you have to imagine that the movie tries to frame her

00:07:06.460 as a young woman sure and uh in a 20 year old's mind there are all these conflicts and it's like

00:07:12.340 god tells them leave this behind and you'll have reality and reality will come with a responsibility

00:07:20.020 and that is what barbie tells us assume the responsibility of reality rather than the war

00:07:26.940 of your imagination wow also i would point out uh that there someone on social media made an

00:07:35.540 absolutely good reading he pointed out that this is the female starship troopers it is

00:07:42.180 uh the comedy structure of it like starship trooper is like exaggerated and quick comedy of males

00:07:51.060 yeah barbie is the exact same thing but with the female mind interesting all right well i'm definitely

00:07:59.200 seeing it now i if if it if it had bad reviews i might just kind of go stream it or something you

00:08:05.560 know later just to kind of chow i'll sometimes check out a movie and watch it for 15 minutes but i i think

00:08:11.460 this is worth my my time um i i i really i appreciate your your comments on this i i need to see it i

00:08:18.240 might want to do a monologue on it or even uh write an essay um yes so have you seen oppenheimer

00:08:25.800 i did okay so you you i i appreciate your kind remarks about my essay so you you resonated with

00:08:34.400 a lot of a lot of things that i said in that absolutely yeah and as a big fan of christopher

00:08:40.180 nolan i have to say this may be perhaps some of the worst that we've seen from christopher nolan

00:08:46.760 it's executed beautifully you can see the talent of nolan come true uh but but what you said about it

00:08:55.060 being a constant trailer of three hours for something that never comes that's exactly that captures my

00:09:02.520 feeling about it too much bureaucratic concerns you can't make a story and film it like an epic of

00:09:10.660 end of the world type music and montage type of thing and make it about a bureaucratic concern around

00:09:19.140 who gets uh who gets the the security clearance of the american government and a little bureaucratic

00:09:26.400 betrayal in the back all of this is way too small for the greatness of christopher nolan yeah

00:09:33.820 what is your favorite christopher nolan film uh tenet probably and then inception very close

00:09:44.380 yeah those are similar films they're they're very he builds these worlds um that have rules

00:09:52.300 and and and and people talk about the rules of the world as i was criticizing them but i i guess

00:09:57.400 there's not really another way to do it and then these spectacular action on overlaid on top of that

00:10:05.720 i mean i do think that his batman movies were successful i i really like all three of his batman

00:10:13.120 movies including the third one which for some reason people criticize more i i think it's great i think

00:10:18.820 maybe jumping into another genre kind of saves him from himself in a way like he's not allowed to

00:10:27.060 indulge in things because he has to make a batman movie um i think he could do a really good job

00:10:32.600 making a james bond film which seems to be something he wants to do um yeah i think he gets away from the

00:10:41.000 embedded universe things that that is his true passion uh he gets away from it by doing things like

00:10:48.120 uh batman and openheimer actually carried a little bit of that embedded narrative reverted narrative but

00:10:55.940 he did it of course when you do a historical movie you have to stick to certain facts so he framed it as

00:11:03.180 the whole conversation between einstein and uh and openheimer and what exactly have they said but

00:11:11.460 that is uh that is too small to to give a ending that's as powerful as i would expect in a christopher

00:11:18.520 nolan movie yeah interstellar also was one of my favorite movies i liked that one as well i i still

00:11:25.180 do admire him and even though my article was um critical it's it's weird it's critical with admiration

00:11:34.220 like i i i'm not claiming that he's a bad filmmaker or or or or not an interesting person i i just i i agree

00:11:42.500 that the flaws were out there um why do you think he made this movie because i mean he can he's christopher

00:11:50.360 nolan he could do whatever he wants um do you yeah there's been some discussion about the ai question

00:11:58.280 um but you know i mean one of the things that i i mentioned passingly in in my article was that

00:12:06.320 you know we we talk about this oppenheimer moment but i mean oppenheimer ultimately wasn't listened to

00:12:14.300 you know i mean he he he you know no one denies his own scientific brilliance and his quirky way of

00:12:26.240 managing this huge project that maybe only he could have managed all these quirky scientists

00:12:33.120 um and and i and no one also denies that he's a deep person like he's he he thinks about these

00:12:39.960 things he's he's moral whatever whatever kind of side espionage traitorous things we might talk about

00:12:49.760 i mean i i i fundamentally think he's a moral person um even if he did have some kind of you know

00:12:57.180 residue of the of the communist in him i i do think he's ultimately a good person but he ultimately

00:13:05.280 wasn't listened to you know i mean it's and i maybe maybe that would have been something interesting

00:13:12.140 to get at because he he supported the bombing of japan i i actually just saw a video today from 1965

00:13:20.240 where he was interviewed and he was justifying it even in 1965 so he he ultimately supported the use

00:13:28.780 of this weapon um but then wanted serious arms control and was pretty vehemently opposed to the hydrogen

00:13:38.400 bomb and so it seems to be this case where he's a indispensable figure in the creation of this

00:13:45.820 weapon but this this whole idea of an oppenheimer moment i mean we blew through that oppenheimer moment

00:13:53.820 and we've survived as a species exactly and i think there's a romantic deception a conception that

00:14:02.720 the maker the scientific maker of a big danger somehow is better informed or somehow we would have

00:14:10.680 to listen to him the same way today the elon musk of this world are putting forward all of the actions

00:14:17.640 necessary to establish centralized control over human behavioral monitoring and ai and at the same

00:14:25.240 time are telling us that ai is dangerous it's like oh it comes from elon musk there must be some deep

00:14:31.100 truth in there the fact is the nuclear bomb has not been a civilizational threat and it's been

00:14:39.260 handled uh in a way that that basically does does not qualify as that important as this movie like

00:14:48.780 would like to try to make it look like when you think about it more human suffering has been seeded

00:14:55.420 on this earth through swords and artillery than nuclear bombs maybe ever will yeah that is uh you know

00:15:05.860 the nuclear bombs if anything have cleaned up war and have settled the hierarchies of dominance that people

00:15:13.420 actually respect in the global community which leads to less war yeah now uh and this film is trying to

00:15:21.420 to to focus on such a small thing compared to the people who have died that it's like okay so i should be

00:15:29.580 heartbroken that this jewish scientist was somehow torn inside of him as because he he made a bomb for the nazis

00:15:38.860 but it was sent toward japanese people and this is supposed to be how i frame openheimer as a victim it doesn't

00:15:47.580 pass it doesn't pass my my kind of empathic filter at all yeah it's bizarre for for christopher nolan to

00:15:55.740 be asking the audience to make that this kind of oh he's a victim and there are so many lost opportunities

00:16:02.780 here because uh christopher nolan got very close to touching the question of the jews and their their

00:16:10.700 relationship with america and its military and there are many passages in the movie that do it to the

00:16:17.420 point where i retweeted someone today that said uh this may be the most semitically critical movie

00:16:25.340 hollywood ever made and yet it's not enough and i agree with this reading it is it is kind of morally

00:16:32.780 neutral on jews but it does show that ultimately world war ii was a big web of jewish and terrorists

00:16:40.700 entering in conflict with each of their host nations including russia poland germany and america

00:16:49.100 and that ultimately this whole bombing and the the result of world war ii is very much due to these

00:16:56.220 network of jewish and terrorists uh entering in friction with the kind of christian reminder of uh of the

00:17:04.460 intelligence communities which is uh which is uh represented in the movie as the lieutenant colonel

00:17:11.980 patch who was uh was a very uh skilled interrogator in the movie and who gets to the truth who gets

00:17:20.460 who catches openheimer in a lie that was a real lie which is why openheimer to me is not properly

00:17:28.380 presented as a victim of anti-semitism in this movie i i i totally agree with that i actually didn't

00:17:36.460 mention pash but what you're saying probably upon second or third watching he might be a key figure in

00:17:43.980 this and he was a yes a russian who was an anti-communist and he kind of smoked out hoffenheimer

00:17:50.060 uh totally and i was i was probably the only one in america in this moment of the movie i was probably

00:17:57.580 the only person who was like yeah go bash do it you caught him whereas the movie tries to paint this

00:18:05.180 as this is some kind of anti-semitic pursuit combined with the absence of due process but i'm like no he

00:18:13.260 lied and he slipped he slept with a potential russian communist spy yes and bash bash potential i mean

00:18:22.220 yeah i mean yeah he did that he went to a hotel and had sex with a communist

00:18:30.700 like it's very i don't know it raises questions let's just say yeah or all those things that rob uh

00:18:38.140 or who was the joe he was a judge who was going after him just and rob interesting i i i had not i

00:18:44.140 did not know who he was previously but i looked at his wikipedia and he he actually was a fair-minded

00:18:48.860 person who defended people who were subjected to uh mccarthyism but it's just like what is the

00:18:55.820 difference you want to you you desperately want to use the bomb on germany and yet you now are a

00:19:01.900 peacenik vis-a-vis the ussr what's going on there bro you know exactly we're americans

00:19:09.020 and so christopher nolan uh succeeds on this so it's not it's not like a terrible movie

00:19:15.660 he succeeds at showing a web of very complex uh interrelationships that you ultimately buzz down to

00:19:23.660 a form of semitic control over america that that hurts us and that still hurts us as of today

00:19:31.340 uh that is very well framed yeah definitely and and it's also true it's it's difficult to see that

00:19:38.860 now because russia has become a uh boogeyman um you know justly and unjustly uh and but you have to

00:19:50.860 put yourself back in the minds of these people as as i mentioned the article like being a new deal

00:19:58.300 pro-communist from their point of view whether they're jewish or gentile because you can find

00:20:04.860 both they they didn't see themselves as traitorous you know they it was it was kind of like being pro

00:20:11.820 ukraine now you know by putting up a ukraine flag on your twitter profile are you a traitor no one

00:20:18.860 thinks of it that way in their heart they think of it as like we're both on the same side and so

00:20:24.380 it's it's it's not like this and i don't and i think it was probably it might have been late

00:20:29.420 stalinism but definitely the brezhnev era the ussr became neutral vis-a-vis and kind of anti-israel

00:20:41.020 more or less um but at the time russia was seen as both a progressive country like america but also

00:20:50.940 they're the two safe havens for jews and and and for for a gentile a two progressive forces

00:21:00.860 in the world with germany being an unequivocal enemy and and maybe japan being kind of secondary

00:21:07.740 uh in that and that's you know that like the the way that these highly influential and highly brilliant

00:21:16.460 you know to be fair jewish people the the the web their web informed geopolitics to a way that that

00:21:25.980 has not been fully recognized and and i think uh you know so many gentiles are kind of unconscious of

00:21:33.420 that and i'm i'm not even being anti-semitic or something i'm just saying that like that played a

00:21:40.860 tremendous role that explain that helps you understand that explains history in a way that

00:21:47.420 just like being like oh yeah well you know hitler declared war in the us so that that happened we

00:21:52.540 needed the soviet union no it's actually deeper than that there's there's like an imaginary structure

00:21:57.100 that informed it exactly and if you don't access that structure you the world looks bizarre and feels

00:22:05.500 bizarre uh one of the things that christopher nolan succeeds at doing also is this kind of moral

00:22:13.660 on the fence this ambiguity of this movie is quite stunning uh i go through the movie and i think it's

00:22:21.900 ultimately slightly too semantic for me to appreciate i think that he could have been a little more

00:22:28.060 neutral but he doesn't go for the violent playing over uh he doesn't go too hard on it and when he

00:22:37.340 presents those interests of the american government uh a viewer can choose to take the side of matt damon

00:22:46.460 and the people who are shown as betraying openheimer and he can decide well those were true security

00:22:53.180 concerns and he gives us the the elements to accept this view yes he does he gives you he gives you

00:23:02.140 enough to take a critical standpoint on oppenheimer it's that is interesting and i think that's a virtue

00:23:09.660 of him as a filmmaker yes maybe you could create a follow-up movie called pash

00:23:14.940 well starring casey affleck who i think is kind of a politically correct guy the performance of

00:23:24.540 passion this movie makes me think of inglorious bastard and the uh the nazi interrogator uh but

00:23:32.540 inglorious bastard went further of course because it was fiction so they can caricaturize the the

00:23:38.540 character right but it's a little bit what patch was doing here he was he was squeezing out the

00:23:44.460 truth uh from not much yeah by using going on a hunch and then kind of allowing the person you're

00:23:53.180 interrogating to to uh hang himself yeah very uh very interesting

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