RadixJournal - Black Friday

00:00:00.000 um actually it was even more personal than last time you know with the charlie abdo shooting was

00:00:07.200 a bit abstract because it happened in the morning and i just learned about it like

00:00:15.460 everyone else actually i you know on the web this time it was different because um so i as i

00:00:23.620 explained in my piece i decided to uh to go home by foot and then i so i walked by um you know this

00:00:33.020 concert facility where main shooting happened and um and then i um so i went home and actually

00:00:41.840 um one of the places uh we could say a minor shooting but i think it was something like

00:00:51.740 18 people who were killed was actually uh four blocks from where i live it's only 500 meters

00:00:59.240 and um you didn't i think you you the blocks are larger in paris but you you mentioned that you

00:01:07.200 didn't hear anything um but it almost seems like you must have i didn't say that in my piece because

00:01:14.980 it uh didn't look very serious but i was actually watching something um an episode of utopia it's a

00:01:24.180 british series that i uh recommend especially if you're interested in conspiracy series um but i

00:01:32.920 didn't hear anything but i i don't think i would have heard anything because um even if it was closed

00:01:39.640 you know um the buildings are very dense in uh in paris so it really creates a buffer uh to sounds and

00:01:49.840 you you don't hear that much actually i'm very close to um a huge boulevard where actually is um

00:01:58.900 uh one of the shootings happened and uh i don't hear the traffic from here um the only thing that you

00:02:07.780 hear now and i'm going to turn it off is as a day humidifier so now you you hear nothing and we are

00:02:16.160 very close to um a quite hectic boulevard actually so i don't think i would have heard um the the

00:02:24.660 shootings and the screams as you joked uh when i told you about it uh but it's true that after a while i

00:02:33.580 heard motorbikes uh with uh sirens um you know wailing and uh but by then i was already aware that

00:02:42.800 there was something because the way i discovered that so i finished my episode and it was about the

00:02:49.560 time when um the football or soccer as you say a game um between france and germany ended so i went

00:02:58.080 just to check the result and and i was surprised because as a result was only the you know the

00:03:05.480 second entry on the website and so i checked the result but just above i saw that uh holand had

00:03:13.840 been uh you know evacuated from the stadium and so i read an explosion and then there were very few

00:03:23.220 details so i went on google news and then i discovered of course that it was much more than

00:03:30.000 a few explosions at the stadium it was um you know it was huge but uh it's really where i learned about

00:03:38.280 it and uh and actually as i mentioned in my piece uh what's quite puzzling is that uh when i went home

00:03:47.580 and i walked by this uh concert uh room complex uh there were many people queuing and among these

00:03:56.540 people it's obvious that uh there were people who were about to be killed uh because i think

00:04:03.700 there were 1500 people and uh close to 100 were killed so uh it's um it could have it's hard to

00:04:15.040 to say that but uh putin said that when there was a huge um um terrorist attack in um in an opera

00:04:24.600 um years ago but it could have been worse actually yeah it could have been much worse much worse

00:04:31.380 because uh it's only because i think i usually don't like law enforcement but uh law enforcement but i i have

00:04:41.020 to say they did their job well because uh they managed to save maybe 90 percent of the people there

00:04:48.940 i'm just curious what is the atmosphere like afterward i i might have mentioned this on a podcast before

00:04:56.800 i was actually in new york city during 9 11 shortly after uh shortly after i graduated from college

00:05:05.000 actually um and i was actually i was in brooklyn to be exact i was actually working in this very large

00:05:12.160 um very famous old building on atlantic avenue where i was doing an internship but anyway um

00:05:19.660 it was a surreal environment because everyone was shocked and stunned and kind of numb and so it wasn't

00:05:27.920 like everyone was running around screaming and shouting like a chicken with its head cut off or something

00:05:33.540 which which i would have expected actually after something that dramatic happened within

00:05:38.620 sight of of where i was working but uh but it wasn't it was kind of a a certain kind of numbness

00:05:46.340 and and and certainly a kind of heightened awareness a lot of people in big cities are always you know

00:05:51.360 they're either staring at their smartphone or they're staring down at their feet they're walking in a

00:05:55.740 kind of pod where they're not connected but i i felt like everyone is in a way more aware

00:06:00.400 um but what is it is it a similar uh situation in paris a kind of surreal

00:06:05.880 situation where everyone's going about their everyday lives but then everything's changed

00:06:11.680 you know it uh in a way so of course it reminded me of um the day after charlie hebdo but

00:06:19.880 it reminded me much more of something very different um it's a day after jean-marie le pen managed to

00:06:28.160 make it to the second round of the presidential election in 2002 the day after you could see

00:06:34.920 people staring at each other you know the way uh did did they voted did they vote for him or

00:06:42.400 things like that and i could see the same you know um faces were really closed and uh you could really

00:06:50.520 see tension uh actually i'm so i this morning i had to uh to run an errand so i i went uh actually it

00:07:02.520 made me um closer to one of the shooting one of the places where it happened um and you know i so i i

00:07:12.880 went to this shop and everyone was uh you know extra polite and something very unnatural especially

00:07:21.060 in paris you know paris has a you know deserved reputation of um being very annoying to people

00:07:31.140 like you know waitresses uh who don't say hello or things like that and people were too polite for it 0.71

00:07:40.420 to be true you know it was really really a kind of um yeah so real experiment and actually the only

00:07:47.880 the only community that was you know untouched by uh the event was the chinese as usual you know it's 1.00

00:07:55.980 uh maybe the comparison will sound harsh but they're like cockroaches after you know a nuclear meltdown 0.95

00:08:03.600 it's uh you know nothing touches them they're just always the same and so of course um um white 0.99

00:08:12.680 population they're just selling cheap plastic shit to each other and to tourists basically still like 0.98

00:08:18.400 in chinatown and in new york city i would imagine oh they are all yeah they also sell a shitty food 0.98

00:08:26.400 actually but uh no i'm kidding sometimes sometimes it's good when you don't ask what's inside um they've

00:08:35.420 got to control the cat population in paris it would get out of hand a little more seriously um so the

00:08:41.980 white population was uh quite moved um predictably but actually we could i could witness a few women 1.00

00:08:53.200 crying on the street um but even for um muslims so arabs and blacks you know um 0.57

00:09:04.420 uh there were really you know ilatis it's because i i don't want to sound pc but most of them don't agree

00:09:17.900 with that that's not a reason for us to welcome them all of course it's not uh it's not a sufficient

00:09:24.740 reason but but they don't want to to be associated with that but at the same time they don't want to

00:09:30.740 look like traders and um and so yeah it was really you know i i didn't like that and um you know i

00:09:42.680 when i think of my uh countryman i always think when i maybe it's pretentious but when i

00:09:51.640 get on a bus sometimes i think i'm the only person having my ideas inside this bus on this bus and

00:10:00.340 for example when i a few years ago i was commuting to a city actually one hour from paris and when i was

00:10:09.840 reading medicine grant or lost rob stood out on the train i knew that i was the only person reading

00:10:16.080 that you know so it it was even more sorry for me to you know to imagine that from a point of view that

00:10:24.180 is different from most people uh actually just because i i don't have the same outlook uh so

00:10:33.120 yeah actually i'm in a way i was glad i didn't have to have too much social interactions today because

00:10:43.680 uh it's actually you know it's really uh annoyed me after charlie hebdo you know this kind of false

00:10:52.320 emotion yeah but this time i have the feeling it's a bit different and uh it's um i think related to

00:11:01.440 the nature of the victims so i'm not saying that last time they deserved uh what happened to them

00:11:08.980 but at the very least um they had it coming you know they knew that it could happen and actually

00:11:16.020 they you know they stood by it and that's why even if they were um people who are not on the same

00:11:24.520 side as others uh they could be respected for that reason yeah they did show they they showed a

00:11:31.380 certain kind of bravery and a uh yeah they stood stood by their convictions courage of their convictions

00:11:37.360 much more than uh conservatives by the way yeah and and this time it was um you know just uh passers-by

00:11:45.340 and you know people in restaurants or just listening to a concert so it touches people more and

00:11:52.940 it's less symbolic but much more um you know well i thought there it was it fosters more anxiety

00:12:00.200 i thought i thought it was perhaps more symbolic um and and i i was thinking about these when you when

00:12:06.440 you think about the symbolism of violence and certainly the world trade center and the pentagon on 9-11

00:12:15.080 that clearly had a message to it it you know and it it wasn't just that they hate our freedoms

00:12:21.080 but uh it it was a symbol it was it was an attack on global capitalism and it was attack on the united

00:12:27.900 states overseas empire or there are basically the these were the world trade center and the pentagon

00:12:33.100 were metaphors for those two things um and so and then that had certain ramifications as well uh you

00:12:41.280 could think about you know an attack in the london tube was also scary about you know around four or

00:12:46.540 five years later of of being kind of this everyday thing that people take for granted and then it

00:12:51.680 became dangerous and that that's how that's in a way some of the most frightening thing you can imagine

00:12:55.800 what i found interesting about this is that they were they were almost attacking uh westerners who

00:13:02.880 were being passive and entertained it was it was almost i i was reminded uh and again i don't i'm not

00:13:09.280 certainly not trying to make light of what happened um but i i think we should always just talk about

00:13:13.400 these things seriously and i think there's often a kind of artistic quality to terrorism that's the

00:13:18.720 right word i mean they they want to send a message it's not simply about killing people it's about

00:13:23.480 shocking people and sending a message it reminded me in a way of the uh scene from the dark knight

00:13:30.300 rises where bane uh blows up a uh a football match american football this time yeah uh and uh so there's

00:13:39.280 it's a kind of amazing scene where this person is running back it kicked off and the field is

00:13:44.200 collapsing as he's running and and everyone there it's it's like they're they're destroying the

00:13:49.440 spectacle of of of entertainment and and maybe vulgarity but also of community you know they're

00:13:57.220 they're attacking the hometown team and it was a deeply symbolic uh scene in that film and it seems

00:14:03.380 like this was the same way they were attacking a rock concert they were attacking a uh although they

00:14:08.520 they more or less failed to do this they were attacking a football match european football oh

00:14:13.320 they completely failed actually they did for the football game yeah that could have been the

00:14:17.920 worst because actually the um the stadium uh i don't know if you have been there but it's a very

00:14:25.500 symbolic one because it's the one where france organized the world cup in 98 and the only time that

00:14:32.340 france won actually you know it was a very you know for maybe six months it was a kind of a national

00:14:40.000 holiday uh because of course there was an ideological reason to that it was um which said um there was a

00:14:50.260 term of the phrase black blamber which means basically um uh black white and arab and actually

00:14:59.100 uh the team was two-thirds white so it was a lion there was only one arab out of um 22 players but

00:15:07.300 he was the best one so uh it's zidane maybe uh the name rings a bell he's the one who scored the two

00:15:14.900 first goals in the final against uh brazil yeah and and so it was a symbolic one uh you know that

00:15:23.120 it was it was this stadium which was a symbol of um post-racial and post-cultural france that was

00:15:29.900 attacked but uh the security uh system there it's like an airport and so they didn't manage to to do

00:15:38.160 it and uh the difference between um the dark night rises scene and uh this one the main one is that

00:15:45.760 uh in the movie the mayor is um actually um he's killed in an explosion and this time

00:15:53.220 as they managed to evacuate the president um who actually i noted that in my piece and uh i think it's

00:16:01.480 really important you know he was not threatened in any way but he left the stadium and uh he's a

00:16:08.940 commander in chief and you know a real a real commander wouldn't do that i don't think the

00:16:14.980 goal would have left for example uh i know i think that's a symbolism as well it probably wasn't his

00:16:22.000 decision i'm sure at this point there's a protocol where he's i agree to be snatched but nevertheless

00:16:27.560 i i think it it's still symbolic that he was you know he was evacuated and he didn't uh stay there

00:16:35.280 and kind of uh as a commander i i think that is significant oh do you was there any symbolism to

00:16:41.240 the um the attack on the restaurant that that one struck me as a little bit curious uh actually it's

00:16:48.000 just because you know it's different in america you don't really except maybe in brooklyn for that

00:16:55.320 matter um you know this kind of big terraces uh actually the weather is very mild now it's like

00:17:03.120 last weekend it it was like spring and um and uh it's very convenient because there's a climate

00:17:10.700 conference upcoming um but so you have these big terraces in paris where people are eating and

00:17:19.280 drinking and so it's very easy first to to kill many people just because you know you pass by with

00:17:27.240 a scooter or a car and uh it's very easy to do that much more than in north america where

00:17:34.800 restaurants are usually closed and you can't do that that easily but it's also symbolic because it's

00:17:43.260 um you know the parisian way of life where you have all these um hipsters or 0.99

00:17:51.040 uh this bourgeois bohens who are eating uh lavishly uh until maybe two or three a.m um on friday and 0.70

00:18:01.900 saturday nights and that's also what they were attacking and of course as a rock band the rock

00:18:08.120 concert i mean it was actually a metal concert wasn't it actually the the band name is uh refers to

00:18:17.780 middle but then i i'm not an expert so i am right i asked friends who are and they say no it's more

00:18:26.580 a rock band even if the name is uh related to middle and of course most of the fans uh were white

00:18:36.560 oh yeah most all another another very symbolic thing i'm sure the terrorists were aware of that

00:18:43.460 and another symbolic thing is that um when they stormed the place the band was playing um a song

00:18:52.540 called kiss the devil you know you know and that's why one of my first impressions when we started uh

00:19:02.360 you and i um you know text messaging is a videodrome you know the movie um from the the 80s where

00:19:10.480 you know there's a kind of a sideration produced by ultra violence which also exists of course in um

00:19:19.060 a clockwork orange where it's violence is so shocking that it almost becomes funny you know when you know

00:19:29.160 when they when they they beat this bum uh in the street uh at the very beginning of a clockwork orange 0.93

00:19:38.360 you know it's it's uh it's horrible but you know it's a very uh funny scene and that's why i cracked

00:19:47.320 some jokes just because the sorority of it was uh almost funny in a kind of um you know manic way

00:19:57.180 i'm still human i think it's important i mean obviously it's it's good to strike a balance but i think

00:20:05.060 it's important to actually crack a few jokes i think that's that's how we get through these things

00:20:09.420 i don't think it means i felt guilty this morning when i i looked at my facebook profile and oh i did

00:20:17.380 i really post that uh you know i made jokes about uh about these things and of course my feeling this

00:20:26.180 morning was very different and then it was more anger and uh actually you know after emotion you

00:20:34.000 you start questioning when you're when your brain is well balanced you you start questioning why did

00:20:41.700 it happen and of course we know why it happened it's uh it's related to to our foreign policy and

00:20:49.820 our immigration policy which are related to each other so yeah let's talk a little bit about i i think

00:20:57.320 it is worth talking about the foreign policy aspects because i i think i i have um i i was actually

00:21:03.420 traveling myself while this happened and uh so i was um i was actually in a hotel room this morning

00:21:10.040 and um i was uh watching cnn for the first time in quite some time i usually don't watch these things it

00:21:17.980 seems like the these uh channels kind of flourish around emergencies where people are huddled around

00:21:23.320 getting updated information but um yeah i i think it i i what i one thing that i noticed among other

00:21:29.940 things was that there there was this just muddled very confused nature of of the foreign policy uh

00:21:36.560 causes or or at least the way the foreign policy has informed things and they they seem to be almost

00:21:42.620 blaming assad or something which is about as close to being backwards as you could get but anyway i i

00:21:50.000 and insensitive was also yeah it's it's it's i don't want to sound like uh you know uh a liberal

00:21:57.440 journalist uh talking about sensitivity but uh every day in syria things like that happen and not

00:22:04.080 because of hasad but uh of hasad but more uh in spite of hasad yeah he protects his people and

00:22:11.280 uh he's blamed for that so i i'm really this morning i was really angry about that too and uh asad say

00:22:19.120 the say that he says he said um france just lived what we've been living for five years now

00:22:25.360 one thing i noticed i even saw a tweet from this uh horrible woman named ann marie slaughter who's 1.00

00:22:31.860 i believe the last time i paid attention to her was a while ago during the whole neocon

00:22:36.260 wars and um i i believe she was at princeton at the time despite her name she's uh uh of a certain

00:22:45.620 ethnicity but uh she was saying that um she's polish now she was saying that uh she goes asad who created 0.98

00:22:55.600 isis and i was just kind of thinking like wow that is about as close to the reverse of as you can get

00:23:03.260 but i think her her interpretation effectively is that he he radicalized moderate rebels who were

00:23:11.020 trying to overthrow him by opposing rebels who were attempting to overthrow his regime which i think

00:23:17.880 uh pretty understandable for just about everyone else on earth but anyway so he's kind of to blame it's

00:23:24.300 almost like uh imagining racism as the cause of of black poverty and then and then saying

00:23:33.080 things like you know white crime in detroit is getting out of control it just it's just weird

00:23:40.440 you know interpretation of an interpretation and uh you know i don't know i just these people

00:23:47.740 are just they must be aware of it i don't know maybe they're not aware of it you know the greatest

00:23:51.800 i don't think so the greatest con men believe their own con you know no really because um

00:23:57.800 the french media one of the very first reflexes was to um actually say of course we shouldn't blame

00:24:07.000 muslims that's and not only the media actually the politicians too so you know the corpses are still 1.00

00:24:13.440 warm and they are all already saying that which is really you know there should be there should be

00:24:20.020 trials in a healthy country against that so they say that and then uh they are uh you know compiling

00:24:28.660 all the reactions by a right-wing or far-right as they say politicians you know against islam or

00:24:37.520 for immigration restriction that was there you know this morning they were already um publishing

00:24:45.140 articles like that and i really think that you know they think that when they say that of course

00:24:51.020 it's uh asad who is to blame and um and that uh uh this kind of event uh urges us to fight racism

00:25:01.560 even more because it's a root cause of all that they really mean it and that's why they they will have

00:25:08.820 to be dealt with i won't say more but uh they will they will have to be dealt with at some point

00:25:15.080 yeah i agree i i there there is that kind of i'm reminded of uh at least stories of that i hear of

00:25:22.060 of marxist intellectuals both in the soviet union and in the west or in america uh who you know at the

00:25:29.220 very end of the regime we're talking about you know there are these residual capitalist elements uh

00:25:35.360 within the soviet sphere and that that's the reason why it looks like it's failing it's this

00:25:39.940 kind of you know we need to double down on socialism you know it's just this uh very it's a i guess a

00:25:45.400 very predictable human mentality uh that when something is is obviously failing you you you you

00:25:52.460 you double down on it you you embrace it in a relationship yeah like in a relationship sadly

00:25:57.720 uh it's it is kind of like a the abused spouse uh either male or female yeah who loves his or her

00:26:05.780 partner even more uh after being drug through the mud um yeah i i i that is definitely what's happening

00:26:14.460 uh yeah what i was let's go into that because i i think there's a couple things happening i i think

00:26:20.620 this is different than charlie hebdo i think that was almost a there was an easy response to that and

00:26:27.140 that was we knew we need to embrace free speech and all these people like angela miracle who 0.97

00:26:33.980 does not embrace free speech she has actually imprisoned people for writing things that she

00:26:40.240 feels should not be written um on basically effectively revisions of the second world war

00:26:46.420 whether these are right or wrong the fact is she imprisons people for writing things so the notion

00:26:52.260 that angela merkel was going to march on behalf of free speech is grotesque to say the least uh

00:26:58.920 with jacob zuma and netanyahu which was even more grotesque yeah right when you know their policies

00:27:06.100 yeah um so but so that was the message that and and the establishment was very very good of doing

00:27:13.260 that i i think it's going to be a little bit harder this time i think everyone is on no meme so far

00:27:18.940 yeah you don't you don't have a just you charlie or something like that you have a more it's not

00:27:25.420 quite spontaneous because the media has maybe not created these memes but you know the candles and

00:27:32.880 but candles is universal or almost universal um but this time it's more bottom-up i don't want to sound

00:27:41.800 like a libertarian but there's a healthy element in the fact that um you know people on the you know

00:27:49.340 the basis are taking over this kind of things and uh it's less like a colored revolution or something

00:27:56.900 that is obviously manufactured uh to the masses it's more you know the masses were attacked

00:28:03.540 yesterday evening and it's just that um there's no there's no response to uh to their pain i mean

00:28:13.640 you know holand said something like uh he said we are going to close the border and so i posted on

00:28:22.140 facebook um you know a table with figures of uh legal immigration uh since uh the 19th the 90s and i said

00:28:31.400 okay um so the 200 000 immigrants coming each year are going to stop uh and you know 200 000

00:28:40.240 immigrants in france is about uh the equivalent of uh one million in the u.s which i believe is a

00:28:46.480 figure yes every year from mexico and neighboring countries so this time it is different because they

00:28:55.260 really it's really harder for them to to manage it and the other thing also is that you know it's

00:29:03.260 it's the second time this year and not only the second actually because there was a failed attack in

00:29:11.040 you know on the train between holland and france last summer and there were all also minor attacks

00:29:20.720 with a few persons killed so it's harder and harder for them to say okay let's not blame anyone and

00:29:29.220 let's fight racism which is uh the obvious enemy i mean uh i think it's lincoln who said that

00:29:36.760 who said that you you can lie one time to a thousand persons and a thousand times to one person but you

00:29:46.280 can't lie a thousand times to a thousand persons and that's what they are attempting to do but uh

00:29:54.620 but it won't work and uh i think we should also mention the elections which are upcoming because it's

00:30:02.500 very uh relevant to the issue yeah i i'm just gonna mention i it seems like whenever these kinds of

00:30:10.180 disasters occur um they they often do benefit this the establishment and um and and also i would also

00:30:17.740 mention that whenever these occur there are a lot of people who think oh it's a it's a false flag

00:30:21.860 i'm kind of doing an i'm doing an alex jones impression there i just when i was thinking about

00:30:26.860 this i've just looked on info wars that alex jones is almost disappointing me over the last few years

00:30:31.660 he's become like a conservative basically and he doesn't do all that wild nonsense that used to be so

00:30:38.800 entertaining he's kind of boring now he's he's just take anyway uh but alex jones the of yesteryear

00:30:45.480 i i guarantee you would have declared that this was a false flag and it can't be believed and whatever

00:30:50.740 and okay sure that's a possibility five minutes right that's a that's that's possible that's within

00:30:56.080 the realm of possibilities okay but i don't think it it was because i think this is actually this is

00:31:01.900 kind of getting out of hand i don't think you can easily just say this is why we support you know

00:31:06.880 vulgar cartoonists in their free speech i i think this kind of attack particularly after everyone

00:31:12.100 is on edge due to the refugee crisis and all these just images from that and just everything that's 1.00

00:31:18.640 going on i i don't think this supports the establishment at all i think this is something

00:31:22.540 very different and i i think i don't know maybe i'm being optimistic uh so to speak but i don't you

00:31:30.920 know which is it's difficult to be optimistic when you have something this terrible happen but

00:31:35.440 nevertheless um i i don't i don't think so i i think this is actually going to uh i think this

00:31:42.680 is going to be understood very differently from a lot of people uh i think i think it has a potential

00:31:48.200 to be a real awakening um and uh yeah i'll just i'll just kind of leave it at that i don't know how

00:31:54.740 once it could be um because it's just it it is like yeah i i it's it doesn't fit any other script

00:32:03.320 outside of this just isn't going to work you know we can't do this we can't have these refugees we 1.00

00:32:09.700 can't have these legal immigrants who are citizens it's just not going to work it's going to end in 1.00

00:32:14.920 blood and tears and i think i don't know how you can interpret it in some other way i think for

00:32:19.620 a lot of normal people that's going to be the message even if you have a lot of people doubling

00:32:24.020 down and and it does support the establishment because the establishment gets to act tough because

00:32:28.500 i remember on cnn you you'll hear a lot of you know talk from even holand and and uh

00:32:36.320 sarkozy was supporting him from the from the right so to speak quote unquote scare quotes but

00:32:42.600 they'll say like we will be ruthless we will have no mercy i think he actually said without mercy

00:32:47.720 they'll go after him and i think that's probably true i mean i think they're going to go after

00:32:51.140 uh anyone involved uh really hard um and so they can seem tough in a way but i don't think that's

00:32:58.200 going to fully work i think this this narrative is going to get out of hand with this one yeah i agree

00:33:05.020 actually um you know propaganda is just a branch of communication and marketing and there's a law of

00:33:12.460 diminishing returns you know when you always broadcast the same ad eventually you don't get

00:33:18.980 any sales and it's the same thing here and they lack um in imagination because their software their

00:33:26.520 intellectual and ideological software is just outdated so you know um the mayor of paris um

00:33:33.440 uh the shimer or the mares uh say that uh you know it's um shimer yeah like the she wolf of the

00:33:43.600 the the ss um she says that it was a diverse paris that was attacked and when you look at the pictures

00:33:51.100 it's okay maybe there are a few uh black tokens uh there always is like in a sitcom you know okay 0.94

00:33:59.980 maybe at the at the rock concert there was a black homosexual and an arab lesbian okay granted but 0.92

00:34:08.720 you know it is a propaganda doesn't work because it's just you know people have been hearing that and

00:34:16.880 um maybe to maybe to balance what what i've just said uh it's true that people have a very short

00:34:26.600 memory especially today with uh all the solicitation from the media and uh and the social media but

00:34:34.740 still and of course i love these uh interviews uh done by this libertarian who go to people and say

00:34:40.800 you know and ask um why um against whom did we fight in um 1776 you know in america and it's very

00:34:52.340 very funny yeah exactly and uh actually there was you know um in 2012 there was um a series of

00:35:00.960 shootings in france with a muslim again uh shooting um french soldiers um and um jews actually and uh 0.91

00:35:11.480 you know after charlie abdo i asked a question on facebook and my facebook friends are

00:35:16.980 most of the time right wing or far right and they are very politicized but i i just asked

00:35:26.100 uh the month and the year uh when it occurred and actually many people had to look the web to look up

00:35:33.440 the web to answer me and uh and they were not representative of the people so it's true that

00:35:39.560 people are tend to be amnesiac and propaganda works on them but not um you know every month because now

00:35:49.760 it's really and it's not gonna stop actually you know because uh what was discovered yesterday is that

00:35:56.640 uh when uh one of the shooters was um a so-called syrian refugee so the millions that

00:36:05.860 uh merkel has just accepted okay most of them are not terrorists uh nobody ever said that because

00:36:13.420 you know the left is always uh you know attacking the right thing oh you say that no nobody says that

00:36:19.860 not even the far right nobody says that but maybe out of the million it's very likely that there are

00:36:27.780 maybe one thousand and it's enough to uh really bring turmoil and strife to a whole continent actually

00:36:36.480 especially with um open borders it's another topic but um so i don't think the propaganda will work

00:36:45.800 and why i wanted to bring the election is that um so next month there are regional elections

00:36:53.700 uh and it's very likely that uh marie le pen will win um the northern region and um

00:37:02.020 um marion maréchal le pen so her niece is going to win the southeast it's it's very likely actually and

00:37:10.960 even in the other regions they are going to win a lot of seats a lot of seats um and uh of course

00:37:20.440 uh the establishment is very concerned about it and they have no real answer not even the

00:37:28.020 mainstream right uh because usually that was uh sarkozy you know his role was to counter the far

00:37:35.860 right with a few uh race bait jokes and and that was it but it doesn't work again propaganda doesn't

00:37:43.980 work and the national front is going to win regions and one of the first reactions this

00:37:50.240 morning of a left-leaning newspaper i was to say um uh the worst thing that could happen is that it

00:37:59.680 would give more regions to the national front and i'm sure now you're reminded of a book that was

00:38:07.240 published the same day as the charlie hebdo shooting yeah you know submission by michelle welbeck

00:38:13.660 because it's exactly what happens well you know as it as it happens i'm actually i i sketched out a

00:38:19.340 quick blog i was gonna i'll post this the next day or so but uh as it happened uh i i just got the

00:38:25.060 kindle version so like a decade a good western decadent i was on a plane with my ipad reading

00:38:31.540 submission uh quite literally while the attacks were occurring uh so there's there was there's

00:38:39.220 something going on uh but yeah yeah go ahead it's i actually i would mention i i'm it's a very

00:38:45.040 and a very intriguing book i i'm just a yeah it's not it's not his best one it's not his best one

00:38:52.200 especially the style is uh you know there's never really a style with welbeck because his style

00:38:57.820 is supposed to illustrate the emptiness of the west but it's a kind of style in itself like celine

00:39:05.840 uh wrote um allegedly like uh you know a working class guy but uh everybody who tried to imitate him

00:39:13.820 uh failed uh so welbeck as a style but this time it was quite disappointing um in that field but uh

00:39:23.320 it was really the visionary aspect because uh he wrote and some people on the right on the

00:39:31.440 respectable right said that it was nonsense that um the mainstream right would support a muslim

00:39:39.280 uh from the muslim brotherhood against marine le pen but when you look at the actual reactions

00:39:45.340 when something important like what happened yesterday occurs you see that welbeck is completely spot on

00:39:53.240 because um their first first reactions say okay no racism no xenophobia and of course no national

00:40:03.020 front you know it's they're really concerned about that so for them it's more important that

00:40:08.520 national front doesn't win three or four regions instead of two than the 150 odd bodies that are

00:40:19.140 rotting away in a morgue i mean you know it's obvious between between us to say that because

00:40:26.280 we've been used to it but for many people i think they're really like how hard bills are really gonna get

00:40:34.440 mad uh on the election day and um and so before i i stop speaking um you know i've been very critical of

00:40:46.980 this party uh i won't be able to vote because i'm still registered in montreal and i didn't do the

00:40:55.360 paperwork when i had to so i i will have to wait one more year to vote in paris but so but my vote

00:41:03.700 will be canceled by uh you know uh the guy afflicted with down syndrome so i've never been a

00:41:12.820 a great fan of democracy but i think this election you know i don't like this party and i don't like

00:41:21.480 its leadership especially since uh uh what you know she did to her own father and she expelled him 0.51

00:41:29.700 you know from the party he founded he gave her everything and she thanked him by expelling him so

00:41:36.680 um i don't like them but i think it's important this time uh that people vote for them

00:41:44.300 because this party is useless in itself but it will send a message and um so it's similar to trump i i

00:41:52.800 think both you exactly i again i um trump i i think probably would be a better leader but i i think it

00:42:00.140 is his his movement is is is a little it's a backward-looking movement and i and i think also

00:42:05.840 just this um this kind of over promising he's going to negotiate a uh the west out of its nihilistic

00:42:13.520 spirals a bit much but uh nevertheless i i think it does send a message and i think it's symbolic

00:42:20.180 value is is is in donald's words huge uh so yes vote trump vote uh vote uh for marine le pen yeah

00:42:31.260 yeah um as i said yeah that said we you know it's a kind of emergency emergency measure that i i agree

00:42:43.220 with but what oftentimes uh you know alternative rights writers or activists or speakers forget

00:42:52.060 is that uh we are supposed to pull the politicians to our side and uh that doesn't mean we don't have

00:43:00.360 to be supportive when they like orban when he does something which is you know sound and right and good

00:43:07.140 but if we are always clapping when they do or most of the time they say something that that is

00:43:16.340 supposedly good uh you know it won't work and we just have to look at the far left how they they

00:43:23.940 operate i mean you know the trotskyites uh you can't imagine a smaller movement achieving uh such a big

00:43:34.060 success yeah uh you know they managed to overturn many social democratic parties in europe especially

00:43:41.980 in france actually and and in britain of course um with maybe you know sometimes it was just 10 people

00:43:51.660 in a in a room uh but they were so dedicated to uh pulling the um center left to the far left that uh

00:44:01.260 you know they were always criticizing the left for not being left-wing enough and oftentimes on the

00:44:08.480 right you know because we were mentioning uh game and uh uh sex relationships but it's like

00:44:17.160 you know right-wing people are like um guys who say oh i don't care about this girl but the 0.96

00:44:23.660 minute or the second rather uh when uh as a girl calls them you know they will rush to their phone

00:44:31.120 and say it's you and it's exactly the way they react you know it's oh um so in 2014 it was

00:44:39.480 oh we don't care about elections you know we are we are riding the tiger and uh you know going beyond

00:44:46.900 the caliuga and such things um and and then trump appeared and suddenly elections matter and democracy

00:44:55.900 is good etc it's the same thing of course with uh the loud stockbroker i was mentioning um you know

00:45:05.280 in britain and uh of course with a main open in france um uh but the result of that is they are not

00:45:14.240 pulling uh these politicians in the right direction and uh it's less true for trump but for ukip and

00:45:22.440 marine lupin is it's certainly the case they've been drifting leftward instead of rightward and

00:45:30.700 it's also because they we have to be insanely critical because that's that's that's how you

00:45:38.560 force people over to a side you're not really going to force them by clapping your hands being

00:45:43.980 oh good job i know you're trying hard you didn't achieve anything but oh you're trying hard i give

00:45:48.860 you the benefit of the doubt no we're not gonna get them that way you have to be attacking them

00:45:52.900 uh so i i i totally agree even orban actually oh especially i'm not talking about the conference

00:46:00.900 of course but um uh you know uh there's a blog uh you know ted salis uh you know yeah sure

00:46:07.820 egi is oftentimes very critical of the movement sometimes a bit too much but i think i totally he's

00:46:16.240 too critical sometimes where i i think but i'm glad he's doing it because sometimes when you go

00:46:21.720 overboard you get it's sometimes necessary and he he nicknamed orban um uh chicken way offense orban

00:46:32.180 or something like that because you know there were all these uh videos on facebook of um uh so-called

00:46:39.580 migrants uh you know escalating the um as a wire um eventually uh orban managed to to put a real 0.93

00:46:49.280 border fence and now um now there are no um entries in hungary illegal ones so but it's also because

00:46:59.840 um you know the hungarians have been expecting something from him and not just speeches and that's

00:47:08.620 why it worked because i don't think well orban is less bad than uh obviously than all the european

00:47:16.180 politicians oh yeah but but he looks a bit cynical to me and he's a kind if no one had forced him

00:47:24.440 he would have gone with the flow like many other ones i think that's probably true and i i think also

00:47:30.800 he's just in a way kind of he's in a way a kind of tragic figure like he's he's caught in a system

00:47:38.300 where he can't actually stand for europe because he he's he's unlike yabik who's who's made insane 1.00

00:47:45.520 totally insane statements and horrible statements he's actually when you when you listen to what

00:47:51.480 orban says ideologically it's actually quite sound he'll say things like what is europe does europe even

00:47:58.960 exist if we're going to be europe we must do this like he he seems to have a a sense it reminds me kind

00:48:03.840 of donald trump saying is this a nation he'll he'll he asked that question in his uh immigration uh

00:48:09.720 policy paper which is you know these are all great things to to even ask that question he's he's asking

00:48:14.860 the right question and that's half the battle um he's not asking some little tactical thing uh you

00:48:21.220 know did did they fill out all their paperwork uh correctly before entering this uh uh boundary space

00:48:28.460 that is known as europe on a map like he didn't ask that question he he asked a real question like

00:48:34.240 you know what is europe is does it have a history and a meaning and a being so i think in terms of a

00:48:39.600 lot of what he says i he or victor orban sounds quite sound to me uh we should have invited him to

00:48:46.080 become who we are yeah well i i'm willing to make up with victor orban i've said this explicitly

00:48:51.940 we have a beer summit i will probably forgive the man i'm i know he's uh he really wants that but

00:48:59.660 anyway uh yeah no i i think he is he is clearly the best european politician you know there's not

00:49:06.360 much competition we're talking about people who are you know not not only are they bad they're they're

00:49:11.760 like even worse than i would imagine that they've they've like drunk the poison of nihilism and they

00:49:18.020 like it like you know angela merkel uh but so he he is he is a lot better uh but i think he's kind

00:49:24.020 of caught in a system where he can't really do anything i mean the fact that he built a corridor

00:49:28.420 into germany i think just expresses this problem where it's kind of like okay i get it i understand

00:49:34.300 you don't want your country that you are in ruling hypothetically to be overrun and therefore you

00:49:42.320 you create this corridor but in some ways just the fact that he does that expresses the the tragedy of

00:49:47.700 the whole thing i i would say sometimes i'll say things like this to conservatives and they'll

00:49:52.820 they'll be like well but don't you support him he's easy you know it's like they they have to support

00:49:58.080 you know it's like you have to be on a team it's like it's the cowboys versus the redskins we're 0.98

00:50:04.440 cowboys fans you know it's like no we're it's not it's not what it is um so yeah i i i get that a lot

00:50:11.860 but um yeah uh it's just uh again i just to bring this back because we're kind of on a digression as

00:50:17.940 we often get on um i again i i think this this event uh might actually be a terrible thing that

00:50:25.200 gives birth to something good and and and that is i just it seems like this is just going to wake up

00:50:30.960 people uh across the continent that this is just not working like there's not it's not going to be

00:50:36.960 okay you can't go to your discotheque and forget about it all you can't go to your rock concert you

00:50:43.500 can't go watch mass sports and it's all going to be okay it's all you know this is going to work out

00:50:50.420 it might seem bad now it's all going to work out you can't really think that i mean i i think you see

00:50:54.860 this and you just you grasp it no this is not going to work out this is going to become terrible

00:50:59.060 and we're now kind of drowning in entertainment and mindless spectacle but uh you know that that's that's a

00:51:06.400 kind of calm before the storm of really serious racial and and to a degree religious conflict

00:51:13.900 but but it's really a kind of racial and civilizational conflict i think more than anything

00:51:18.260 it's not it's not doctrinal it really is a a kind of it's it's a sense of invaders wanting to tell

00:51:25.520 people who's boss and i i think most westerners have gotten to a point where we don't we all like

00:51:31.760 there is no boss like we're just all you know we're all everyone's the boss or no one is or

00:51:37.780 something you know whatever kind of liberal fantasies we have but i think they're they're

00:51:41.620 kind of used to that idea of telling someone who's boss and sometimes they have to they have

00:51:46.300 to use spectacular violence to show that they're boss and um so yeah i i think this is you know again

00:51:53.100 i i think this kind of thing has the potential to really awaken people but you know many people on

00:51:59.320 the far right um uh you know they make fun of uh i i you know i'm not uh you know i i'm not accusing

00:52:07.380 anyone it's more things that i see on on the web and on the french web um uh for this case especially

00:52:14.580 after charlie hebdo you know they made fun and i i was part of it i made um you know uh with a friend

00:52:21.280 with photoshop we made um just charlie meme with you know the um the bears with hearts and uh with

00:52:29.420 all the colors i forgot the name i forget the name but uh you know this yeah as a care bears and uh

00:52:37.720 with uh just charlie uh sign and so i i did this kind of things and i of course it was very funny to do

00:52:45.360 that um but i think the popular reaction is quite healthy actually and i i've been pleasantly surprised

00:52:54.620 and usually you know i'm i'm on the short term at least i'm pessimistic i'm more optimistic on the

00:53:02.600 long run but even on the short run i you know uh if you compare to um the bombings in madrid in 2004

00:53:11.540 and london in 2005 the reaction here now is much more healthy i mean you really have maybe it's just

00:53:20.240 on facebook or twitter or just on the street for now but people say we want uh you know isis is not

00:53:29.800 both here and uh and when you you know what happened after um you know the madrid bombing um 0.98

00:53:38.460 uh 11 years ago they blamed first the basques which was really you know it's uh even more stupid

00:53:47.000 than blaming assad actually uh like it's it's like uh if you were blaming i don't know i don't have

00:53:56.400 an american maybe quebec you know it blaming quebec for you know it doesn't make sense so that was the

00:54:03.240 first reaction of the elite and then they blamed the conservative government but uh

00:54:10.220 interesting the demonstrations were for peace yeah and i don't buy conspiracy theories for a very

00:54:17.800 simple reason is that you know for 14 centuries uh islam uh didn't need mossad and cia and

00:54:26.860 bilderberg to you know invade europe you know it's just in there it's just in islam's nature yeah 1.00

00:54:34.640 and actually it's in every civilization's nature to you know be expensive and uh try to dominate

00:54:41.860 others uh it's uh it's natural uh what's not natural is uh or elite's reaction to it but uh so you don't

00:54:51.480 need you know a kind of um a rothschild illuminati shadow meeting to to do that it's just uh you know

00:55:02.200 islam wants to take over europe not only spain and you know the parts that used to be muslim but uh 0.98

00:55:10.120 all of it and um and all the the shadow arrangements are just going to be consequences of that you know

00:55:19.200 with politicians uh selling their countries and continent just for short-term gains but

00:55:26.760 it's a it's a consequence it's not the moving uh factor here the moving factor is um islam's

00:55:35.180 awakening as it was prophesied by lost rob stoddard maybe one century ago and uh which has of course

00:55:42.500 demographic and economic consequences and uh so so that's why um it's a very primal conflict and

00:55:53.260 you know i maybe it will all fade away but i don't think it will because there will be other attacks

00:56:00.360 but i think on a very you know basic level even simple people get that yeah it's a primal and

00:56:10.840 existential conflict and not just um okay um free gaza and we'll leave you alone no i'm not gonna do

00:56:19.560 that you know even if we even if we give them what they want in the middle east actually they will ask

00:56:27.520 more of of you know because they will it will reek with weakness and they will sense it and uh try to

00:56:35.980 to get more of the bargain so so i think people get it and maybe i will be you know uh proven wrong in

00:56:48.160 the months to come but um you know many experts in france have said that uh it's gonna be like every

00:56:57.600 month now something like that so well i think there's a question i don't think uh i either you or i have an

00:57:04.800 answer to this but the clearly there's a kind of coordination that's going on that is beyond my

00:57:12.460 imagination previously there must have i mean to to pull off an attacks like this i mean there needs

00:57:19.140 to this is not you don't just call up people and say let's go do this tomorrow or something i mean

00:57:23.340 this was this was highly coordinated uh there might have been a significance to friday the 13th

00:57:28.440 uh but so you know is planned well in advance but this is highly coordinated there there has to be

00:57:33.620 logistics there has to be someone in charge and so on and so forth and um i i so i i kind of agree

00:57:40.060 with uh olan saying this is an act of war i mean this this might be something uh that does every every

00:57:47.540 month there's going to be some new uh attack it is kind of questionable i mean it gets back to this

00:57:53.720 foreign policy question of what is it is it is it is it purely civilizational is it kind of a way to

00:58:00.520 teach you this is the top you know we're top dog here uh i i i can't really i don't think you can

00:58:07.160 really explain it fully with with foreign policy i i think that's a that's a necessary just a part of

00:58:13.180 it yeah it's it's a necessary but insufficient um cause um you know but or it might even be a

00:58:20.280 catalyst and not a cause but you know anyway we i don't want to get into the weeds it's more it's

00:58:25.900 more the justification yeah it might be a justification they don't bring palestine palestine

00:58:31.460 that much now because um they've never really cared about it actually uh if they had cared about it

00:58:40.280 and i know when i say such things that people are going to yell zionist or but you know um the

00:58:48.900 neighboring arab countries have done everything they could to leave palestinians in misery and uh 1.00

00:58:56.260 and actually uh europe and america help palestinians more than the arab countries which is

00:59:03.020 quite surprising to say the least so i they are not going to bring this case that much and it's more

00:59:11.300 you know like an old left uh topic palestine it's more about um um the more recent uh iraq afghanistan and

00:59:21.380 syria and libya wars yeah and um it's a mere justification because at first they were helped by the west

00:59:31.220 and we haven't mentioned that and and we should uh most of the guys who come to the west to

00:59:38.500 uh do these things that have been armed and funded and sometimes trained by the west oh absolutely

00:59:45.300 um by the west i'm i'm talking like uh manuel oxon writer by uh the ruling class uh that we suffer

00:59:53.940 under it's not us we we should reclaim what we are and and so it's a mere justification to make it more

01:00:03.460 acceptable but um you know people less and less bait you know when there was um um two years and a half

01:00:13.300 ago in london the um these british soldiers soldiers that was beheaded by two um nigerian converts uh 0.90

01:00:22.660 they said you know in front of a smartphone things like uh um leave our countries and you will be uh left

01:00:30.580 alone and maybe that could work a few years ago but now that you have um hundreds of people who are

01:00:40.740 shot like chicken in the street uh i don't think you know this justification will fade and they're just

01:00:50.820 going to say okay we just want to dominate you and isis is more honest about it than uh previous muslim uh 0.99

01:00:59.700 muslim groups actually because there was still um marxist rhetorics in uh maybe not in al-qaeda but

01:01:08.740 in all the um former you know uh hamas and hezbollah and all these movements

01:01:17.860 you know there was a kind of um anti-colonial and maybe egalitarian on on the world level

01:01:26.500 that doesn't exist now i mean isis trade slaves they 0.87

01:01:32.580 um they don't they don't even pretend they care about equality and human rights right just say okay

01:01:39.940 we are going to apply the sharia law and and that's it and uh and in a way i prefer that

01:01:48.100 uh because it's uh it's much easier to show people what they really are than um you know

01:01:57.940 the palestine movement was more uh able to tap in western sensitivity sensibilities like uh you know

01:02:08.260 pictures of children uh it still exists today of course but when you see images of isis it's more

01:02:16.020 okay we are going to take your wives and uh trade them like slaves and uh treat them like um 1.00

01:02:24.580 comebacks uh so it's more honest and it's going to be more easy to to counter it i agree i think we

01:02:35.540 need a different uh a different establishment and a different elite to counter it uh but roman let's uh

01:02:41.940 let's put a bookmark in this uh i i think we could probably go for another hour but let's let's just

01:02:46.500 save it actually why don't we actually maybe revisit this uh soon because the thing is i'm gonna i'm

01:02:53.300 gonna work and edit this really quickly and get it up but i i think events are going to uh uh are

01:02:59.300 going to change so i think they're going to change within a week we're going to learn more

01:03:03.220 and there's going to be new things to talk about so uh let's do it again uh but thank you ramal

01:03:11.780 you

RadixJournal - November 15, 2015

Black Friday

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