Cucksplaining - Christianity Is For Cucks
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In the inaugural episode of Cucking Out, we read Matthew Schmitz's article, "Christianity Is For Cucks," and discuss why Christianity is becoming a non-white religion, and why this is a good thing.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the inaugural episode of Cucking Out, We Get Triggered so
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that you don't have to. I am your host, Richard Spencer, along with my co-host, Hannibal Bateman.
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Hello, Hannibal. Hi, Richard. How are you? I'm doing very well, but I'm about to be doing a lot worse
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because we actually have to read the worst examples of conservative thought. Or really,
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we shouldn't say worst. We should just say quintessential examples of American conservatism.
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This podcast was your idea because you're often sending me an iMessage or something like that,
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just some of the cuckiest, most ridiculous conservative movement articles. And so we
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decided to turn it into a podcast. So what we're going to do is read a conservative article on air
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and we'll dissect it, give it a close reading. As we go, we'll jump in. And I believe through this
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close reading process, very Straussian, that we will get a better understanding of how conservatives think,
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and so will you. So we will get triggered. We will really get inside the cuck mind.
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And the first essay that we're going to look at is, I mean, it was basically written for this podcast.
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Like he might have actually tried, he had this podcast in mind, even when it did an essay.
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Oh, yeah. He was almost, it was almost like he wrote this article looking to goad us.
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Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Actually, you know, now that I think about it, I even just thought of an even
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better name for this podcast. Since you mentioned Straussians, riffing off of Alan Bloom, this could
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Cucking of the American mind. We could just call it First Things.
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This is okay. The article in question is, Christianity is for Cucks by Matthew Schmitz.
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This was published in First Things on September 12th, 1917. And I will read the article and we will
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dissect it. So this is a block quote to begin. Disheveled white men were staring ahead with
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vague, uncomprehending eyes to the end of the room where two candles burned. The priest turned
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towards them his bland, black face. Evelyn Waugh knew that a vision of Africans proclaiming the
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faith to whites would startle his readers in 1933. But it is a literal description of many American
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and European parishes today. At the church nearest me, self-satisfied Irish Americans listen to an
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Igbo priest preach and then complain about his accent at brunch.
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Yes. So this is a bit of a fantasy of Africans will save Christianity. Yes.
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Where they, they realize, I think a lot of Cucks realize that Christianity is becoming a non-white
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religion over time. I mean, it is certainly the Catholic Church is majority non-white. Christianity
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overall, what would you say the percentages are?
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I believe it still has a white majority, last I checked. A white majority, yeah.
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But obviously where it's growing the most, uh, South America, Africa, uh, Korea, South Korea,
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you know, is a big hotbed of, of the evangelical church and, uh, China, of course, and other
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parts of Asia. Yeah. And also it's, I think the, what they're getting at is this kind of like
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having one's cake and eating it too. And in the, in the sense that so much of the Christian
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cuck right want to claim that, you know, effectively to this Europe is the faith and the faith is
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Europe. Um, the operative word there is Europe, not faith. Exactly. Um, so it's, it's a kind
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of, it's this notion that, um, it's a non-racial and in a weird way, not, not, not even non-s
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well, it is a civilizational understanding. It's certainly a non-racial understanding of
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what it means to be European or what it means to be American. It's, it's in a way, a more
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complicated, dense, more defensible version of the proud boys. The West is the best.
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Only to be fair here, we're at least talking with people who have read about Western civilization
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instead of inserting objects into various orifices. Right. Do you mean that metaphorically?
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Hopefully. Of course. But, um, but, uh, but, but anyway, so they, they reckon they, they don't
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want to look at Europe as an ancient conception as dating back to our pagan past. They, they want
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to gloss over to a large extent, the pagan elements within even the modern Europe and
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so on. And even within medieval Christianity. Within medieval Christianity, certainly within
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the Renaissance was a, I mean, the Italian Renaissance was a kind of paganization of, of
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Christianity to a large degree. Um, but there, there were Germanic pagan elements within medieval
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Christianity, no doubt. Yeah. James Russell's book. It's a classic. Everyone should it. Well,
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it's, I shouldn't say everyone should read it. Let's be honest. It's a very dense dissertation.
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Everyone should read a review of it. Yeah. But, uh, but, uh, but effectively they recognize
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that Europe is declining and the faith is declining as well, but somehow these Africans are going
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to save Europeans and that there can be a disembodied, de-racialized, de-racinated kind
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of midair floating version of Western civilization. Oh yeah. Uh, that can be, you know, promoted
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by Nigerians, maybe even more so than Frenchmen because whites are so decadent. Oh, this gets
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to the point of, you know, bringing up, uh, this, this, this, this thought experiment by Evelyn
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Wall. Evelyn Wall was of course a noted anti-Semite and racist who supported Franco in the Spanish
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Civil War, but be that as it may, uh, when, when Schmitz says that Evelyn Wall knew his vision
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of Africans proclaiming the faith to whites would shock at his time. I don't, I don't think
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Wall intended it to shock as Schmitz says it is to be shocked. It would be shocking to a European
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precisely because there is this de-racionization of European man and his faith that this would be
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shocking. To Schmitz, he's almost saying it in the opposite way. I think that Wall intended
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it, which is that this is, this is good. This is obviously what will happen. Wall, being
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a satirist, use this to poke at, you know, the Western mind and its decline. And over
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time, I'm reminded of this. I hesitate to always say, I hesitate to use the N word, but I'm using
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it objectively in the sense, but I remember there's a very amusing scene or a telling scene
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from a gangs in New York, uh, where, so there, there was someone starts screaming, there is
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the Irishman. They create this diversity coalition against the evil Anglos. And I think there's
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someone that was screaming, there's a nigger in the church. There's a nigger in the church.
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And, you know, obviously, you know, Christianity is a universal religion. And, and I, I'm sure
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that many people probably thought in their minds, okay, they could be sure everyone should
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be Christian. We're all brothers at some point. But this notion of, you know, quote, a nigger
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in the church, end quote, uh, is this, it's this, this stain upon something that is meant
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to be holy. It's like the Christianity is meant to be, or Christianity succeeded when
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it was identitarian, when it, when it was a, an expression of, of a kind of holiness or
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idealization of a people and bringing a nigger into this, uh, it, it stains it. It, it, it
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Well, not only that, it's, it's sort of from, from a, thinking from a traditionalist, uh,
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Catholic point of view, what it does, uh, what the Catholic church does well is adapt
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And, you know, when, when, uh, a lot of these, uh, bishops were brought to Europe for their
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education, they were sent back to their people to instill Catholicism or Christianity in
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its way in Africa to, to then think that, you know, there could be this free market,
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that there will be this sort of free market of priests floating around sort of in a deracinated
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homogenous culture is almost, you know, it is anathema to the historical spirit of a lot
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Yeah. I mean, it's globalist and libertarian and deracinated as you point out. Yeah. I mean,
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no, no question there. One of the great strengths of Christianity is its ability to be adapted. I
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mean, voodoo is effectively, you know, Haitian Christian, Haitian Catholicism. And that, I mean,
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that's an extreme example, but obviously there's, there's a degree to which German Protestantism,
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Oh yeah. Look at the stave churches in Norway or Sweden.
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Italian Catholicism, like these are different or, or, or Russian Orthodoxy or something. These are,
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you know, they're obviously connected on a, on a deep level, but they are national folk expressions
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of the religion. Um, it's, again, it's, it's not like we just have this itinerant Negroes across the
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continent who will come and preach the truth to various peoples. It's the, it, again, it's this idea
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that Christianity had a strength when it was able to be molded by and mold to a large degree, but it
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also be molded by indigenous folk and ultimately pagan cultures. Um, you could, you could look at
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this in contradistinction to Islam, which does that to a certain degree, of course, but is, is
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remarkable in the way at which it obliterates ancient cultures. I mean, it, it, uh, it actively
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attacks them, attempts to uproot them and destroy them. And there is a kind of like Islam as a franchise.
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And yes, I'm well aware that there are divisions within Islam and blah, blah, blah. But you know,
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when I was in Turkey and I walked by a mosque, I mean, it looks like this foreign spaceship that
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just landed on a hill. I mean, it looks like something out of Saudi Arabia or something.
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You know, you think about this, uh, a lot of, you know, a lot, a lot of, a lot of pagans that we know
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always bring up, you know, ancient Christians tearing down statues of Apollo and whatever,
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but it should be noted that in Europe, a lot of these things were still there. Whereas in,
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in medieval Arabia, a lot of the remnants of the earlier cultures and religions are just
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obliterated. I mean, look at Zoroastrianism in Iran. It's, it's, it's reduced to smaller
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sects of people. A lot of its images in great temples were destroyed. Islam is sort of this
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pulverizing force in a way that Christianity just was not in Europe.
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Right. Anyway, let's move on. That was, this is how long we're going to talk about two paragraphs.
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Um, this is the next quoting Schmidt next paragraph on the level of the universal church.
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Uh, the Guinean Cardinal, Robert Sarah has become the most full throated defender of Catholic faith.
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When he quotes John's apocalypse, European bishops are baffled. I cannot imagine what they think when he
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promises that in the battle against secularism, Africa, like the Vendee will
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resist. The Holy Ghost fathers who rigorously catechize Sarah are long gone as are the French
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colonial textbooks that taught him. He was descended from the Gauls. Even so, I sometimes think we are
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heading towards the world described by Waugh. He got the idea from John Gray's novel, Park,
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whose hero is transported to a future in which savage Englishmen live underground while civilized
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Africans cultivate England's greens and pleasant lands, uh, celebrating splendid Latin liturgies,
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studying the perennial philosophy. I mean, I don't know if we have to even comment on this.
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Well, this just reinforces a lot of what we were saying earlier, but the, but the interesting
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point I, well, you could maybe not blame people who thought in this way because they had not truly
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experienced Africa. Also, again, these are, these are satires written by Europeans for Europeans,
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right? The, the, it's not actually about the Africans doing this, but it's about what is going on
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in the souls of European man that he has reduced to this station. It's not about this literally
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happening. Right. When I mentioned Waugh's story on Twitter recently, I was inundated with messages
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from members of the alt-right, oh, gasp, who told me that Christianity is for cucks, short for cuckold,
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a slur, a slur they hurl against whites who don't subscribe to their racial theories. I think I was
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even called a social justice warrior. Who guessed that Evelyn Waugh would one day appear as a paragon
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of wokeness? Oh, God. Yes, yes. This is just, he, one, he is conflating his views with Evelyn Waugh's,
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which I don't, which I think is incorrect. On another level, he just, he, his mind is still
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so baptized and marinated in liberalism that it can't think of it, think its way out. I also,
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I really get tired of these paleocons or, you know, first things, trad, Christians or so on,
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who, particularly when they're older and they haven't been directly forced to think about race.
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They've lived in a white country. I mean, the conservative movement was, you know, materialized
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in the mid-1950s. It is interesting that, like, the Sharon statement, you know, their manifesto didn't
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even mention race or anything like that because they didn't have to. I mean, they didn't want to
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address the Negro question, segregation, et cetera. And they didn't have to think about this because
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no one, outside of maybe a few real, you know, extreme Marxist or Looney Tunes, imagined that
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America's white majority would decline. And so they didn't have to think about this. And I love it how
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they tell us, oh, I'm a big, I'm a great trad con and I don't see race or something because I'm just
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so traditional. And it's like, you are not traditional. You are lucky or cursed, depending
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on your perspective, to have existed in this oblivion for your childhood and early adulthood.
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And that's why you, quote, don't see race. But don't claim that you're somehow more traditionalist
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than an 18-year-old shitlord who is, like, living, seeing his town being overturned,
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experiencing anti-white bigotry at, like, an orientation session, who just sees race everywhere.
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I mean, there is a woeful ignorance to race on their part, too. Again, to go back to Evelyn
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Wall, who is actually one of my favorite writers, you know, Wall wrote a novel, Black Mischief,
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that was, you know, part of the plot of the novel was this African who was educated at Oxford
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and goes back and does, tries to cargo cult a lot of Western technology. You know, he has
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this, like, ball for contraception where people are wearing condoms and various things like
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that. But it's like, you know, have you even read the same novel that, you know, he's clearly,
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Wall, who traveled to Africa extensively, is clearly poking fun, you know, at this from a decidedly
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racialist angle. Right. Okay, next paragraph. Maybe it shouldn't be so surprising. Waugh is
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usually caricatured as a bellowing, gin-swilling bigot, the collective id of pimply conservative
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boys. This is about as accurate as my youthful impression that Jane Austen was a writer of pretty
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trivialities, just because my big sister once tried to force Emma on me. As it happens, I think those
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alt-right accusations had some truth to them. Ooh, fancy that. Christianity really is for cucks,
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and no one knew it as well as Waugh. All right, well, let's get into the argument before we dissect it.
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One sees this most clearly in Sword of Honor, his novel about one man's disillusionment while
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fighting World War II. At the outset of the story, Guy Crouchbake is living alone in Italy in
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self-imposed exile. As a pious Catholic, he still believes himself married to the woman who left him
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eight years before, but he has nonetheless been deprived of the loyalties which should have
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sustained him. England may be his country, Virginia may be his wife, but neither one will claim him.
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When war is declared, Guy at last has a purpose. Now, splendidly, everything has become clear.
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The enemy at last was plain in my view, huge and hateful, all disguises cast off. It was the modern
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age in arms. Whatever the outcome, there was a place for him in that battle. He goes to pray at a
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crusader's tomb. Then it's off to join the army. Once in uniform, he even hopes to retake his wife.
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Instead of enjoying conquest, he suffers a series of humiliating, erotic, and military defeats.
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Guy tries to seduce his wife and fails. She instead becomes pregnant by her former hairdresser,
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a man named Trimmer, who, through a series of comic mishaps, becomes an unlikely war hero.
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Guy's aspirations to success in field and bed are deflated by perfect parody. Virginia fears scandal and
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tries to abort the child before desperately asking Guy to acknowledge it as his own. He chivalrously
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agrees. He is a cuckold, a cuck. By embracing this role, he becomes true Christian and knight.
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At the end of the war, Guy is stationed in Yugoslavia, where his exertions serve merely to shore up the
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coming communist reign. His dreams of facing off against an allied Hitler and Stalin have given way to the
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reality of midwifing red terror. He is stripped of his last illusions when a female acquaintance denounces
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the men who thought war would make them heroes. And this is a block quote.
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It seems to me there was a will to war, a death wish everywhere. Even good men thought their private
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honor would be satisfied by war. They could assert their manhood by killing and being killed. I knew
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Italians, not very many perhaps, who felt this. Were there none in England? God forgive me, Guy says,
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I was one of them. Like Father Martin's Christ,
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was hero learns from a wise woman. Oh, God. He sees that Christianity is not a matter of blood
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or of race or of victory in this world. It requires us to accept defeat in this life so we might enjoy
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triumph in the next. All right, let's... Okay, this is like... I've said this on Twitter a number of times.
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It's like Christians are desperately attempting to prove that Nietzsche was right. I mean, I, in a way,
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as someone who is critical of Christianity, I would, in a way, agree with this caricature. But it's very
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sad that this is what Christianity is. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, again, it's not even a kind of,
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you could say, stoicism or, or, or steely resolve against all odds. In the sense of, look, we all lose
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in life. We lose, we lose with women. We, we, we have personal turmoils. We, we all have suffer career
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defeats, et cetera. But the whole idea is that we have, we have a certain resolve. We pick ourself back
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off the mat. That is not what he's saying. That, that would be a positive Christian vision.
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It's actually even to deny that further Christian vision, which is that the eternal victory of Christ
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is within you. Right. And so you can overcome these, you can overcome these defeats. And it also
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overlooks, you know, the conquering Christian armies of the conquistadors or, yeah, absolutely. The
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crusades. Crusades. It requires us to accept defeat in this life so we might enjoy triumph in the next.
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You must lose. You must, your blood must cease to flow. I mean, it is kind of funny that it's,
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this is, again, we get it, this, this aspect, like, it's only whites who think this way. I mean,
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even if you agree with this notion that Christianity is going to be saved by Africans,
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the Africans are winning. Oh, yeah. The Africans are flourishing. They're having,
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their offspring are triumphing. They are taking over civilization. Like, someone's winning. All this
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is, is just a philosophy of losing. It's not even for losers. Like, in a way, you could offer,
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like, a certain, like, gift to the loser. Like, don't worry, you tried hard. Or don't worry,
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you'll be, you'll have a gift in the afterlife or something. This is a philosophy of losing in the
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sense that one must lose in order to ultimately win. And it's an attempt to want to, in their weird
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way, say there are great things about European civilization without having to defend the people
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who created it. Yeah. You know, to go back to that earlier quote from, from Cardinal Seurat about the,
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uh, the Vendee, it's sort of sad in a way because this is a man, though, yes, educated by the French
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and by all accounts, more Orthodox than the current Roman Catholic establishment is reaching to the
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history of another people, the dead aristocrats of France and the Vendee, the dead Catholics there.
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They were European men fighting for a European civilization. And it shows, it shows the sort of,
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the, the, the thing that, like, a lot of these cucks do, that Africa will save us, misses the point.
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It's that even the best of these Africans are drawing from the well of the, of European man.
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Right. And that it is that which gives them these glimmers of greatness within the Catholic Church.
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Right. Well, it's just also this, to go back to something earlier, it's, it's almost like the,
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the, the, there's a certain arrogance, or you could even say white supremacy, this hidden white
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supremacy in the sense that Africans aren't going to succeed as Africans. They're ultimately going to,
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going to succeed as parodies or simulations of Europeans. So Africans will ultimately triumph by
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becoming Catholics and, you know, reinventing this, whatever medieval Catholicism, you know,
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that Schmitz has in mind. So it is this kind of white supremacy that is very foreign to a true
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identitarian view. It's a desperate hope that you don't have to defend your own people.
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Right. Because the enemies will actually save you. And so it's a kind of love thy enemy in this
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terrible way. Like, don't worry, all of those refugees who, you know, have IQs in the 70s and are
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raping people and, and are just totally dysfunctional and terrible. Oh, don't worry,
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they're going to all become priests. And then we're going to all read Aquinas today.
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Pope Francis has said Europe becoming more Arab will be a good thing.
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These people are really the worst. And this is where I despise these people far more than I despise
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the left, actually. Because these are the types of people who are presenting themselves as
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traditionalists and conservatives. They are the closer, nearer enemy. They are far worse.
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And they can kind of poison good minds. And the way that a leftist, like, it's true that many people
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kind of flirt with the left and be youth or what have you or whatever. But to be a true leftist,
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like, leftism poisons a bad mind, I would say. It poisons rotten people. Like, you know, I'm not
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talking about Whole Foods swipples here, who are just kind of...
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Yeah, you could say that as well. I'm not talking about Whole Foods. I'm talking about the people who
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are really destroying civilization, or even taking that further, like the Antifa person. Like,
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those are not good people. They are not good people, morally, mentally, physically, etc. They're
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just terrible human beings that are attracted by this. The problem with this kind of cuck Christianity,
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or Christianity, you could say, is that it poisons good minds. It makes people who want to be who want
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to be part of some deeper, you know, European story, essence of civilization, that it poisons them to
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thinking this. But anyway, let's move on here. A Catholic cannot be certain that his line will continue or
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his country thrive. He only knows that the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ Church.
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Again, because hell will take over the church. So, I mean, again, it's like your enemy will take
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over the church, and then you'll ultimately win. That's the argument. It's absolutely stupid.
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This is why Waugh could happily entertain the idea that black men would bear forth a faith and culture
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abandoned by whites. Perhaps it will not happen, but no Christian would mind if it did. No true Christian
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would mind if St. Peter's was run by an African and it was filled with Arabs who had adopted the
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universal faith. No true Christian would mind that. Okay, well, you know, good luck with that.
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Yes, yes. Going back to an earlier point in this, to get literary, I guess, for a second. Well,
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one, there's a James Bond reference to be made. Sword of Honor was actually made into a movie with
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Daniel Craig starring as Guy Crouchback. One of his earlier roles. When was that? This was in the 90s.
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In the 90s, yes. I'll have to go check that out. It was one of his first films, I believe. However,
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the other point is, again, the author is missing sort of Waugh's despair at this whole situation,
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at the destruction of European civilization at the end of World War II. And to his point about
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cuckoldry, you know, you read one of Waugh's earlier novels, A Handful of Dust. The character
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is cuckolded by his wife. And similar to Crouchback, instead of having to take the stain of divorcing his
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wife in English society of the time, he decides to say he was the one who committed adultery and run
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away to South America, where he's lost in the jungles of South America, and is condemned to
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have to read Charles Dickens to a crazy man for the rest of his life. But this gets to the deeper
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point that it's when civilization dies, that is what happens. This is despair. This is not something
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to be proud of or be triumphal about. To read it that way is to miss the larger point about meditation
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on the decline and fall of who we are, and the innate spiritual sense of European peoples.
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No, right. And if Christians, if conservative trad Christians are like this, and I know there are
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obviously many counterexamples, but if the Christians like Schmidt, it's the most telling thing is that
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they and their people will not lead the revival. I mean, it says it all. Like, we can't really do it.
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It says something about white guilt that's burdening them. It says something just about their lack of
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energy and drive. It says also, it probably reveals a kind of hidden doubt, that secret doubt that this
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is not true, that this is not leading us towards a revival, that you would say something like this,
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in the sense of like, we can't do it. We can't lead this revival. We're gonna have to rely on Africans.
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Yeah. It's, it's, it's sad. It's, uh, it's innately even unconservative in a way, and that it's not
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conserving anything, but, but praying for Armageddon. Yeah. In a way that he wants to
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immunitize the eschaton, to use that old conservative phrase, come Armageddon, come, come, uh, come the
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tides. Yes. Come Armageddon, come. Yes. Uh, Morrissey reference there. Do you think Christianity is
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inherently for cucks? Do you think it's inherently a cuck religion, a God on a cross, a, a universe? I
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mean, look, one could, one could argue that Christianity from the perspective of the ancient
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world is atheism. Yes. In the sense that the old gods died. There was, God did not live in the
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world. In fact, a lot of the, a lot of the latter pagans, uh, attacked Christianity because they saw it
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as atheistic. Uh-huh. Uh, but in a, in a deeper sense, though, to, to, to defend Christianity, it is a
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universal religion, meaning it's not just a religion for cucks, but it should be a religion for all types
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and verities of the human spirit. That's a good point. To, to, to, to privilege, to privilege, to,
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privilege, to sort of, privileging cucks. Right. To privilege this sort of mentality is very sickening
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and weak, you know, it's, it's, it's revealing, but it shows that. It's revealing because it's only cucks
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who are trad Christians, basically. And, you know, and I wouldn't say only trad Christians are cucks.
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No, but we're, no, I wouldn't say that, but only cucks are trad Christians. And when we're talking about
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these trad Christians, we're talking about people like Rod Dreher, who is probably one of the best
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examples of this type. Yes. You know, we're, we're not talking about, uh, you know. We're actually not
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talking about your average Midwestern Catholic. Or even your alt-right trad Catholic. No. And there,
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there certainly are some, but we're, but, but put intellectuals aside, we're actually not talking
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about your average Midwestern Catholic who voted for Trump and actually sees his church as the place
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where he goes with his family and meets up with friends. And it's a source of community and,
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and, uh, and meaning in their life and, and the part of the calendar and the seasons and all that
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kind of stuff. We're not talking about those. We're talking about people who write for first things.
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Yes. No. Yes. The, the, the, the, the illustrious, uh, the illustrious cucks.
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Yeah. No, these people need to go. I mean, I do think that there probably will be another
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generation of them. I mean, obviously they're all old and flabby, but, uh, they're probably,
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they probably will be replaced. Um, you, the, there does seem to be a, just a certain personality
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type that emerges in the Western world that is this type of, that's attracted to be the priesthood
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or being a monk or denying the world and, um, just not even striving to achieve power or greatness
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or, or beauty, but to kind of look at all of that with a quiet. Oh yeah. Well, in a way, if we,
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if we, if we meditate for a second on the sociology of, uh, of right wingers, it is the exact opposite
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of the personality type that becomes an alt writer for an example, for example, right. Both sort of have
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a disposition to believe in some grand narrative, to believe in a civilization in a way, which I will
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say that I do think a lot of these first things guys probably do conceive of Western civilization
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and believe in it, but they take a different turn than someone like you or I when, when they're
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confronted with what does it mean to believe in this? Exactly. Well, let's put a bookmark in it.