RadixJournal - Discourse Pollution

00:00:00.000 so yeah i mean there is a certain sense in which like bannon wanted to be the rasputin but didn't

00:00:06.020 like really have the chops like i remember in july of 2016 he wanted to be introduced to trump he

00:00:12.100 didn't know trump right and there was a sort of like pact that was made with kellyanne conway

00:00:18.540 she who was you know the daughter of actual italian mobsters in philadelphia and she she 1.00

00:00:25.500 who was a pollster and kind of a flim flam woman in her own right and she was basically propped up by

00:00:32.600 rebecca mercer and there was a sort of deal cut that bannon would come in and be the campaign 1.00

00:00:37.100 you know manager um after paul manafort went down yeah and it more or less uh came came to pass

00:00:46.000 obviously where trump won but bannon was always trying to like larp himself and make himself into

00:00:51.560 this like world historic figure and candidly like he wasn't really all that involved in the

00:00:56.680 transition he basically used it as an opportunity to grift to meet all these like wealthy and

00:01:01.460 famous people um you know because and he put himself on the cover of time magazine you know he he tried

00:01:09.060 to basically make himself into this figure which he really had no claim like he had no books he has no 0.93

00:01:15.100 like real political thought and and of course like he's also just terribly stupid because if you wanted 0.98

00:01:20.660 to deconstruct the administrative state you wouldn't say that right like right off the bat because you 0.98

00:01:27.480 would basically call down ordinance on your position because every every bureaucrat in you know in the

00:01:33.320 administrative state is going to just hunt you for sport now because you're literally messing with

00:01:38.780 their very existence so um i think look i think a lot of this comes out of the claremont school

00:01:45.900 the sort of like you know the sort of like jj rj pastrito school that that basically argues that

00:01:52.600 progressivism was bad because it essentially was anti-mob right um that it was trying to like

00:02:00.300 actually reform and make government institutions work and that we should have just let the constitution

00:02:04.700 be captured by organized crime and i think that that's really what people want to go back to like

00:02:11.040 there are lots of us who like the epa that like the fda that like a lot of these government

00:02:15.400 institutions and and to the extent that they don't work well want them to work better right and want to

00:02:21.140 like figure out ways to fix them but bannon had no real solutions other than like rip up the iran deal

00:02:28.180 and you know deconstruct the administrative state and get everyone fired up and going crazy and that

00:02:35.100 was sort of his that was sort of his raison d'etre and if you look at his connections i mean you know

00:02:40.760 the war for eternity book mentions all the weird occult stuff he's into it mentions all the weird stuff

00:02:46.720 he was into in hong kong he was of course removed from the navy it's unclear if he was court-martialed

00:02:52.460 or what happened there um there's sort of like a counterintelligence investigation going on against

00:02:57.660 bannon um i myself was called by the fbi to see if bannon was leaking material to me and to others

00:03:03.940 and i said he may have been leaking it to cernovich but he sure as hell wasn't leaking it to me because

00:03:08.060 you know he he and i sort of had a falling out right after trump got elected

00:03:12.080 um he claimed you know all kinds of crazy things during the election which of course he wasn't 0.64

00:03:18.760 really doing so you know it's basically a basic bitch con man behavior on the part of of bannon and 1.00

00:03:26.180 you know you look at his family connections there's a lot of like weird ties to uh there's a lot of 0.64

00:03:32.120 weird ties to sort of the irish mob in virginia that's sort of where his family comes out of

00:03:37.000 and um and yes so he's he's basically a con man and you know there can only be one con man in the

00:03:44.560 oval office at any given time and he wasn't he was never going to really defeat or or remove um

00:03:50.900 you know remove trump and i think it's interesting to think that bannon was an investor in seinfeld

00:03:57.100 you know a show about nothing right because that's very revealing of like his politics there's

00:04:02.700 really nothing there other than just like anger and and and all that sort of thing now i'm told

00:04:08.840 that he may be extradited to brazil over like plotting a coup in brazil through his war room that's

00:04:15.620 sort of like what a lot of my friends here tell me um i can't get a hold of the ex-ambassador to

00:04:21.300 uh under bolsonaro's government the guy nelson nestor forster he and i were quite friendly he

00:04:26.660 was sort of very devout catholic but um but so i'm still trying to figure out what exactly was going

00:04:32.360 on in brazil and it's hard to make real sense of it but like you do have to wonder like what is matt

00:04:37.300 tierman's doing down in brazil like what are these people like what is jason miller doing in brazil

00:04:44.460 and there's a certain sense in which this like you know kind of global criminal syndicate um is like

00:04:51.360 very destructive to the world order and we need to just sort of like remove it and it's unclear how

00:04:57.000 to do that in you know in a way that kind of like respects civil liberties but i suspect what will happen

00:05:03.280 is it will be done like whether it's done you know in an elegant way or a violent way it will they

00:05:09.580 will be removed from the discourse i i hope so because all they do is pollute discourse and um

00:05:16.900 you know as we mentioned the other week i mean the j6 committee lots of interesting stuff going on

00:05:24.900 there but but ultimately it was this you know trump is uniquely bad and look at all these innocent

00:05:31.560 republicans who were you know corrupted by trump and it's like that's not what happened you know and

00:05:39.260 you're liz cheney is doing that for obviously self-serving reasons and yeah i agree it's it's 1.00

00:05:47.580 like the the state it it doesn't have the capacity to defend itself i mean there's this uh line from

00:05:55.280 that's usually attributed to call carl popper it's actually you can even look at it with schmidt but

00:06:01.680 it's the the the paradox of tolerance where you want to create a tolerant society and let's just

00:06:10.020 put instead of saying that using the loaded word tolerant let's just say you know functional organized

00:06:16.400 safe society but that means that you actually have to be intolerant you know you you have to

00:06:23.940 make yourself the exception exception to do that and i do feel like the government is not all it's it's

00:06:33.240 almost like not capable or not like ruthless enough to do it like you don't have a right to spread

00:06:39.400 russian propaganda on twitter i'm sorry you don't have there's no right that you you are guaranteed to

00:06:48.040 do that under the first amendment you know and yes this can get out of hand it could be heavy-handed

00:06:54.420 i get it but like you need the state needs to defend itself at some point against these people who are

00:07:02.320 inherently bad actors they don't just disagree with you they want to inspire like crazy nonsense that

00:07:10.620 serves their masters in some weird way and that's not cool you know if you invite someone to a party

00:07:18.780 and they bring a bottle of whiskey and pass it around hey cool you contributed to the party if they 0.99

00:07:26.640 come in and they bring poison gas to your party it's like fuck off you're not gonna release toxic fumes 0.99

00:07:35.400 in my house you don't have the right to do that you're not contributing anything and i i've just 1.00

00:07:41.500 gotten again i probably wouldn't emphasize these kinds of things four or five years ago at this point

00:07:47.920 in my life i'm just like the state has a right to defend itself against these people no and in many

00:07:55.260 respects if it doesn't defend itself it's in real trouble because there are lots of people who will who

00:08:01.060 will see it as weak and not want to protect it right just out of simple self-preservation right

00:08:07.100 it sort of has an obligation to go after these people with the full force of law and even if it's

00:08:13.520 heavy-handed even if it's cruel like which i think some of the the january 6 detainees you know have

00:08:19.720 suffered pretty abhorrent conditions like no doubt about it um but that may well be necessary you know

00:08:26.360 right like i mean it's just this is the nature of like this is a serious game right we're not going

00:08:34.340 to see the united states of america descendant just mob rule and you know sort of like caudillo style

00:08:41.400 latin american dictatorship um that's just not going to be permitted here i think it will basically lead

00:08:48.440 to the the total change of the republican party because the republican party doesn't really want to

00:08:54.600 contend with a lot of this issue i mean you look at liz cheney as a as a sort of paramount you know

00:09:01.520 kind of kind of thing here where she's celebrated everybody loves her right but of course nobody talks

00:09:06.620 about like her father is the one who like got us into iraq who of course like got all these single

00:09:14.560 source contracts for halliburton right um who of course halliburton stock was later purchased by the

00:09:21.540 chinese to kind of keep us forever trapped in iraq and afghanistan and there's a certain sense here 1.00

00:09:28.020 where like we have to pretend that liz cheney is a good actor here and again you know you see matt gates

00:09:35.980 went by himself to wyoming to give an anti-liz cheney speech far before far before it was popular

00:09:43.500 right and his argument against liz cheney was on all these endless war grounds that basically we were

00:09:50.520 engaged in like dumb geopolitical fights and to the extent that gates and i by the way have a huge

00:09:57.300 difference of opinion i actually think the ukraine war is in some sense necessary and actually a um

00:10:03.940 a sort of like important departure from these endless wars in libya you know afghanistan and uh

00:10:11.440 and iraq and that actually it's it's a sign of how serious america is becoming that we're actually

00:10:17.960 taking nato and we're taking the european union and we're taking the sort of like russian invasion

00:10:23.220 seriously so i i'm obviously totally we've we've come to a lot of similar conclusions from different

00:10:29.300 perspectives it's interesting yeah i mean it is interesting like i do see some of the stuff that

00:10:33.480 you've said like over the bit but but you know i basically have spent a lot of the last few years

00:10:39.240 just sort of like reading and thinking and not talking and i think that um you know the the thing

00:10:48.500 about the january 6th thing that was most disturbing to me was that i knew a number of people who were

00:10:53.440 both in the crowd and also who like broke into the buildings and of course didn't end up getting in any

00:10:59.100 real trouble because many of them were just sort of boomers that were swept up in it

00:11:02.780 but i i always i never thought of you know basically i never thought that that kind of

00:11:10.100 thing could happen to people that i knew right that i was one degree removed from i mean i had i've

00:11:15.880 had conversations with baked alaska he actually stayed in my home one christmas eve i think like

00:11:20.700 six or seven years ago uh because he had nowhere else to go for the holidays so i let him come crash

00:11:25.420 the thing well that makes two of us oh did you did you take him in too of course yes back in the uh

00:11:33.840 in the 2017 era yes yes i mean he was sort of like he was sort of helpless and like not really a man not

00:11:42.220 really a child you know it was like it was a very strange kind of thing and like his parents had

00:11:48.380 adopted all these people from russia it was like just very strange right his whole like situation 0.66

00:11:53.740 and of course like those are the kind of people that always get like taken advantage of that always

00:11:59.700 get kind of like turned into like jokes or into like um you know they're what is it the patsies or 1.00

00:12:10.400 the the uh the village idiot or the useless idiot or useful idiot or whatever the term is um you know 1.00

00:12:18.040 and and of course like how naive am i not to think that that would happen you know 1.00

00:12:22.460 let's do this um we uh we have a fairly big crowd here 35 um do you guys want to jump in

00:12:31.940 and uh ask some questions or bring up a topic yes um richard you brought up like free speech and

00:12:39.700 stuff uh i i know you watched the majority report sam cedar uh because they had like uh um a few days

00:12:48.560 ago or if it was last week they interviewed some professor or something and they talked about

00:12:52.220 uh the spionage spionage act in world war one now that limited speech um did you saw that

00:12:58.920 i didn't see that one yeah they talked about the sedition act and they talked about the spionage act

00:13:05.180 uh i need to go watch that would it yeah do you want me to go i'll just reproduce this real quick

00:13:12.040 so we've had multiple sedition acts in u.s history including immediately after the founding of the

00:13:20.380 constitution but there was a sedition act before world war one and um that line that everyone knows

00:13:28.200 you can't yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire uh was written by oliver wendell holmes

00:13:35.780 in affirmation of the sedition act uh a year later two years later i can't remember in a in another

00:13:44.300 case yes they bring that up in that uh where they talk about how he changed his mind during

00:13:50.660 right and so yeah that's remarkable he isn't he is an intellectual who can change his mind and there's

00:13:57.580 i i admire him for that but i don't admire the logic i mean it is this libertarian logic of

00:14:04.280 you know the state doesn't have a right to defend itself because in america we're this experiment and

00:14:10.700 who knows maybe anarcho-bolshevism is the right way forward who who can say you know we've got to test it

00:14:18.580 in the laboratory of ideas i mean just this really horrible notion to be honest that like unilaterally

00:14:26.100 disarms you to foreign actors who were being prosecuted by this act these are these are

00:14:34.020 pro-bol they happen to be jewish but they're they're pro-bolshevik actors who were pamphleteering 0.66

00:14:39.880 against the united states and encouraging people not to do their duty and register for the draft

00:14:46.200 right right which is of course i think another another aspect of this too that is often not

00:14:51.520 always acknowledged i mean that's actually quite an interesting um thing you brought up because

00:14:56.320 americans don't have positive uh their constitution don't really have uh uh it doesn't say anything of

00:15:03.300 the duties to the state um which like the sort which ironically is like a soviet invention

00:15:08.340 uh so that's kind of like an interesting paradox you think about it

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RadixJournal - January 10, 2023

Discourse Pollution

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