The McSpencer Group discusses the results of the presidential election, mail-in ballots, and the people that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. Plus, a QAnon conspiracy theory about the end of the world.
00:00:25.640Liberals went to bed on Tuesday, crying and screaming, thinking that Trump had somehow won again,
00:00:32.060and their country was, indeed, racist.
00:00:35.340But as mail-in ballots arrived, their gloating began.
00:00:39.800Conservatives, on the other hand, declared victory early and danced on the graves of pollsters.
00:00:46.040But as the final tallies materialized, they were the ones whining and denying reality like a bunch of SJWs.
00:00:53.820Put simply, Americans hate each other, and it's impossible to imagine any election not being as heinous as this one.
00:01:01.800Ed and I discussed the real problems with mail-in ballots and Donald Trump's electoral woes with the people that got him elected in the first place.
00:01:10.100Ed, how are you doing? You look very cheerful.
00:01:12.680I'm not a particularly jolly heretic at the moment, it has to be said.
00:01:18.960Well, you said the world might be ending. I'm not sure it's going to be that bad.
00:01:21.940Well, I mean, if the QAnon conspiracy theory is correct, then the savior has not manifested.
00:01:30.120The savior has not manifested to take down the bad hombres that are running the world.
00:01:37.740Well, isn't this the storm that was promised to us?
00:04:03.460I like to know exactly what's going on to be able to sort of work out what's happening.
00:04:07.520I really can't be sure precisely what's going to occur.
00:04:14.640But I think the really interesting thing for me was the consequences of the postal vote.
00:04:19.500Because we had, we had this in, in Britain and it worked a charm.
00:04:24.120And we had, they had it in America for different reasons and it worked a charm.
00:04:28.100So in Britain in 2004, I think it might've been, the Labour Party were concerned for the good of their morale and whatever,
00:04:37.320but they were going to do badly in the European elections.
00:04:41.060The European elections, of course, we don't, Britain's not in Europe anymore.
00:04:43.940And they weren't really very important and they were by proportional representation rather than by first past the post.
00:04:52.440And so this meant that unusual parties could do well and this could give vent to extremism and give a platform to extremism.
00:05:00.660Well, Nick Griffin was in the European Parliament.
00:05:02.240Exactly. Well, this is what they were trying to stop.
00:05:04.280So what they were concerned about was the rise of the UK Independence Party, which was, of course, regarded as a far right party,
00:05:10.580and of the BNP, which was regarded as a British National Party, which was regarded as an even more far right party.
00:05:15.440And particularly them they didn't like because that very substantially took votes away from the Labour Party.
00:05:19.220And so concerned that they were going to win seats in the 2004 European election, they brought in, Britain was divided into these various large regions.
00:05:29.780One of them was the North West, the other was the North East, whatever.
00:05:32.580And the North West was the one where that party had support and councillors.
00:05:36.980And so they brought in compulsory voting by post.
00:05:41.860So you couldn't, everyone voted by post.
00:06:25.580They can just, you know, just go to the local post or post box at the end of the road or even just send their wife to the post box at the end of the road.
00:07:00.280And that seems to have been what has happened with the American election, with the elevated turnout, which is all of these people who wouldn't otherwise bother to vote because they're lazy and don't care.
00:07:31.220And so I'll give a little bit of a pass to them in terms of COVID because we know what COVID was, you know, back in May or something like this when these things were first being floated.
00:07:44.820But now we do know what COVID is and Democrats, you know, all these people who support mail-in voting and so on are, you know, blissfully tweeting about these big rallies of liberals celebrating Joe Biden.
00:08:02.020They're clearly super spreading a highly contagious disease.
00:08:06.600And these people don't care, much like they didn't care when Black Lives Matter went out into the streets.
00:08:11.580So I don't take them seriously, to be honest.
00:08:16.160And the other thing is, this is almost like philosophical.
00:08:19.500I don't like the idea of mail-in voting.
00:08:22.080I think it should be available if for like, you know, if you're in the military or if you're a businessman who happens to be overseas or you're disabled.
00:10:17.480So that's a further problem for democracy itself.
00:10:19.840So, but also the problem, a further problem with it is that some of these, I don't know about your ones, but some of the ones in Britain are quite complicated to fill in.
00:10:28.600My erstwhile colleague, Dr. James Thompson, calculated that you'd have to have at least average IQ to be able to correctly follow a postal ballot.
00:10:39.280It's quite, you know, you could put it in this envelope and then sign this and put that in that envelope.
00:10:43.340It's quite, I remember when I voted by post once in Britain, because you had to, it was, it was very complicated to work out what was going on.
00:10:52.520And so I don't, I think that's bad, but also it is clearly open to fraud.
00:10:56.980And there was an investigation in Britain after the 2004 election where the judge concluded that the standards of the 2004 election in northwest England, where it was an all postal ballot, he said it would have disgraced the banana republic.
00:11:12.460And you had many, many cases of these votes going missing, of ballots being harvested by particular political parties and filled it, of pressure being able to put on people because you can go around people's houses and say, okay, you've got a postal ballot.
00:11:25.920We know you've got one to ask and we'll take it in for you, you know.
00:11:29.600And so it ceases to be a secret ballot.
00:11:34.840The ballots can be interfered with and changed.
00:11:37.180They can't be observed in the same way that, nor because there's so many of them coming in at once, you've got these complicated system envelopes and whatever.
00:11:44.260And so it's impossible to have observers there all the time, every stage of the process, observing everything.
00:11:49.120Whereas with normal ballots, you can have observers at every stage if you want to.
00:11:52.520So he showed, he showed many cases of this, of it being corrupt and of results in cases of council elections, I remember, being overturned on the basis that the level of corruption was demonstrated.
00:12:04.200And so it means that the stench of corruption in a tight race said, okay, he won the popular vote, but it's very tight, Biden, I mean, but it's very tight in Pennsylvania, it's tight in the places that delivered him the electoral college vote.
00:12:19.900The stench of corruption hangs over it.
00:12:22.680Now, unfortunately, that's not really a good enough argument.
00:12:25.360I don't know that they'll be able to go to the courts and say, okay, well, therefore we run it.
00:13:07.560So basically, in an election that clearly didn't matter, 130,000 New Hampshireites walked through the snow to vote for him.
00:13:16.560And I was actually kind of, I didn't say this online, but I was kind of personally having doubts about my prediction of a Biden victory and a comfortable victory, which I predicted, which obviously the comfortable ass, the comfort was missing from the outcome.
00:13:34.340Because I felt like I had underestimated just the religious fervor of Trump voters.
00:13:42.600It just meant more to them than it did Biden voters.
00:13:58.820And the other thing I'd point out is that there were people who were predicting this.
00:14:05.640And there was a meme that was put out called the Red Mirage.
00:14:09.660And I remember reading about it and kind of discounting it because I was saying, well, you know, everyone always said, you know, they everyone makes predictions about elections.
00:14:18.540And then the election, the day of the election, they're all out the window and something weird happens.
00:14:25.180So in these states where some states, Michigan being one, Pennsylvania being another, where early votes, mail-in votes were counted after the day of votes, you had this weird situation where Trump had big leads.
00:14:44.220And you can at least excuse him a little bit for saying that I won.
00:14:48.960I was up by 15 points and there was 70 percent of the vote in and so on.
00:14:53.460But those have to do with America itself, which has a 10th Amendment, which means that nothing that is or anything that's not just explicitly stated in the Constitution is given to the states.
00:15:07.100Therefore, these kind of semi-sovereign entities, maybe that's saying a little bit much, but kind of sovereign entities called the states, determine the election.
00:15:18.220I mean, there is an electoral college.
00:15:46.980And then this slow recount of mail-in votes comes in and it goes down.
00:15:52.540So I think that the fundamental cause of the level of angst and like MAGA coping is something else.
00:16:02.160I don't think it's the election itself, but I can at least give them the benefit of the doubt to some level in the sense that this is weird and messy in the words of Joe Biden.
00:16:12.540And I agree, there is a kind of taint of corruption that will always be there.
00:16:21.040Now, I think the cause of that is actually deeper.
00:16:24.960The cause of that is this radical polarization that is occurring to the point that I don't think either side is going to accept the other side winning.
00:16:35.360And even if we could just definitively scientifically prove that there was like, you know, fraud was at a level of 0.001% or something, and it's okay.
00:16:52.080Even if it was people on Earth, even if it was erstwhile Trump's people that we would expect to be sympathetic to Trump, like whatever they see as alt-right, then they would still, they would turn around and say, oh, well, Richard Spencer proved that and he must be a fed.
00:17:05.420So, yeah, I mean, for example, one of the things that they said was there were some areas, I forget where, some districts, some, what do you call them, precincts, where the turnout black areas was very, very high, like 85%, 90%.
00:17:51.820America always talks about, oh, it's terrible that you have a low turnout.
00:17:55.120Well, what having a low turnout means is that only the people that are really politically engaged and care bother to vote.
00:18:02.440And the other half of the country don't vote.
00:18:04.780And when you get an elevated vote, it's either because someone like Trump, some populist, or Brexit or whatever, has inspired people that don't normally vote to vote.
00:18:14.500Or, if you bring in postal voting, you just get people that lack of basic and don't really care.
00:18:42.000Which supposedly is going to be happening next week.
00:18:44.240But I would be interested to see what they're going to try and say, because they would have to demonstrate industrial scale electoral fraud in hundreds of thousands of invalidated votes.
00:18:56.920Yes, I think a lot of, I mean, there have been at least plausible explanations for some of these things.
00:19:04.320There's, you know, the line, the Biden snake, where he jumps up 138,000 votes.
00:19:10.860There have at least been plausible explanations for this.
00:19:14.240I mean, look, I'll just admit, yes, there is some level of fraud in any election system, and particularly in big cities.
00:19:22.400I mean, my mother grew up in Louisiana.
00:19:25.560I mean, she's less cynical now, but she said growing up, her level of cynicism about democratic elections was just off the chart.
00:19:35.320Like, they would just, they said, like, they're all corrupt.
00:19:38.940Like, they all stuffed the ballot box.
00:19:41.000Like, but the point is, we kind of like this one, you know?
00:19:44.280It was just like a base level of cynicism, very high.
00:19:49.640There were major election fraud, actually, in the election of 1960, that might very well have flipped it towards Kennedy as opposed to Nixon in 1960.
00:20:31.120I mean, it's not that it's not a, it's not paranoid.
00:20:33.020You've got people like this AOC woman who have actually said, OK, we should, we want to make a list of anyone that's ever worked with or cooperated with the Trump administration in any way.
00:20:45.540And in short, when someone respond to that tweet, yeah, we've got this list and we're going to make sure that they can never get a faculty position, that they can never get a job doing, that they can never work for the state, never work for the government in any capacity ever again.
00:20:57.180So it's not actually that paranoid that they would.
00:21:24.160And and the left believes that I mean, Marianne Williamson was tweeting before the election, like if Trump wins, you know, I was telling my daughter she might have to come visit me in a cell and all this kind of stuff.
00:21:34.880I mean, it's just I mean, it is nonsensical and Trump clearly he's not a good fascist in this regard.
00:21:43.700He's he wouldn't actually do these things.
00:24:59.460And if there is the slightest possibility that he can overturn or even just undermine confidence in the result, then he's clearly going to do so.
00:25:07.740And I find it amazing that somebody can be that powerful and get into positions of influence like that.
00:25:14.860And this is just a childish act of pique.
00:25:18.260I can only assume he must have people seriously advising him, saying, you know, look, this is the strategy we're going to take.
00:25:25.700And this is what we're going to try to achieve.
00:25:27.540And it might not be, you know, you might be, yeah, we have to accept that you've lost.
00:25:30.160This is this is our strategy and this is what we're going to do.
00:25:33.040And we expect it to have these outcomes.
00:25:38.500You know, I don't I don't I don't I don't think it's just I can't believe it's just him stomping around.
00:25:43.560He must be there must be people that he seriously takes the advice of that know what they're doing.
00:25:47.820Well, reportedly, to take it with a grain of salt, Jared Kushner is telling him to concede.
00:25:58.480Now, also, and I don't want to get to, you know, you know what on this, but I thought it was quite telling that Bibi Netanyahu recognized Joe Biden as the president.
00:26:10.820That was that that actually was a kind of serious act.
00:26:14.280It is amazing that even the big Trump fans kind of assume that those two people are in it so that, you know, either Trump's, you know, friends with with Netanyahu, Netanyahu is controlling him or something like that.
00:26:28.640But it's it's Netanyahu has acknowledged Joe Biden's victory.
00:26:34.720Trump did a tremendous amount for him.
00:26:38.260But I mean, understandably, Netanyahu is not going to die in this hill.
00:26:47.540And I think that Trump actually will he I think looking at his character, I think he's going to try to play it both ways, which is what he'll always do.
00:26:57.820So he's going to undermine his rabid fans by conceding in the next few days.
00:27:07.080He's going to undermine his most rabid fans by conceding, but he's also going to leave it ambiguous so that they will still support him and there'll be this stench in the air.
00:27:19.500You know, a different type of president or a different.
00:27:22.880Yeah, a different type of candidate would have been like, no, the voting's fine.
00:30:30.600They're going to have to drive me kicking and screaming.
00:30:32.160And you and I, when we went on a, kind of like hastily went on a podcast with Keith Woods at the last minute, I was kind of suggested that great schism type thing where Trump, it just remains the shadow president.
00:30:49.020And he's not in control of the bureaucracy or the military, but he just kind of doesn't ever concede.
00:30:55.460And there's just this, we, the polarization becomes so intense, it doesn't quite lead to actual civil war, but it leads to just parallel states of mind where Trump is still tweeting as if he's the president.
00:31:08.420He, he visits some foreign countries and, you know, like, you know, Bolsonaro or in Eastern Europe, and they accept him as the president.
00:31:48.460And, you know, Biden is going to, Biden is going to reunite the nation and whatever.
00:31:54.060And suddenly it's completely forgotten that he's senile, he's, he's pre-senile, he's got serious problems and whatever.
00:32:03.200So there must be things behind the scene.
00:32:06.980What the media are presenting to me, what's happening, which is now, look, America's pleased, is obviously not true.
00:32:12.220And there must be, think of how they suppressed the Hunter Biden story.
00:32:15.680Think of how they have done all these other things.
00:32:17.380So there must be something going on behind the scenes that I'm not perceiving by watching the Sky News or whatever, would be more noticeable in America or would be more noticeable on the ground.
00:32:29.200But I just would be, it would be satisfying that he would not give up.
00:32:33.520It would be in his character to not give up.
00:32:35.220And I want him, even though, to just go out in a blaze of, a blaze of, a blaze of infantile pique and fury, I think.
00:32:42.140Well, all, all, I think Enoch Powell said all, all political careers end unhappily.
00:32:47.960You know, you, you live long enough to become the villain, so to speak.
00:32:51.760I mean, it's just, it is kind of a thing that happens.
00:32:56.020And we, we have this nostalgia for past presidents.
00:32:58.800Even George W. Bush, who was very unpopular in his second term and, and was, by at least my standards, was a disaster as a president.
00:33:09.120There's even been a kind of renewed nostalgia for him.
00:33:12.560There's certainly a nostalgia for Obama, even though he lived in an age of polarization.
00:33:19.000I mean, it's, I think we're kind of past a point of no return, like, or, or, or past a, like, singularity or something with Trump.
00:33:25.460I mean, I, I don't know if that will ever grow, at least on a, on a national level.
00:33:31.160You know, all these other, as I pointed out in my forecast, all these other presidents achieved very high approval ratings during a crisis.
00:33:39.280You know, George W. Bush got up to 90% or 91, I think, even approval rating right at the, in the midst of 9-11.
00:33:48.040And then it started to go down just gradually, slowly, but surely to very low approval ratings in a second term.
00:33:54.880All, you know, LBJ won in a monumental landslide in 1964.
00:33:59.560Um, George, uh, George Bush, uh, George W. Bush's father got up to 90 during the Gulf War.
00:34:04.640Or all these, all these, you know, um, Clinton kind of survived impeachment and went out, uh, with a buzzing economy and a stock market going through the roof and all this kind of stuff.
00:34:14.860Um, Trump has never existed outside of polarization.
00:34:19.420And, and the, the idea that he'll be looked back on.
00:34:26.900One of the ways you can unite a country is by going to war.
00:34:29.280And that's what all of them did, all of his predecessors, to some extent, uh, did about Obama, but then he, but, uh, otherwise they all went to war.
00:35:01.360Um, Trump is very similar to Obama in his foreign policy in a kind of weird way.
00:35:06.060Um, but so that, that at least leads me to believe that hot wars are on the decline, at least in the foreseeable future.
00:35:14.760But yeah, I mean, is the possibility out there that in the next month or so we get into a fight with Iran and it may be kind, I mean, it would create a lot of rancor, but might secure a certain base that's in the cards.
00:35:32.600I mean, I could see that I don't, not predicting that, but that's very possible.
00:35:38.300What I like as well is the way that they try and portray Kamala Harris as the first, you know, part African-American.
00:35:46.400I'm like, she's not, she said, someone said she's the first biracial president or vice, or maybe they said the first biracial vice president.
00:43:18.380And that's not, I mean, again, if we use stereotypes...
00:43:21.220If you look at Charles Murray's book, Coming Apart, of course, he looks at this way in which you've had this split that's occurred among the, well, among all classes, but certainly among the middle, whatever, what should we call it in America?
00:43:35.860Let's say the upper middle class or the upper class, whatever term you would use, whereby it was traditionally that the working class and the upper class all have pretty much the same kind of way of seeing the world, the same values, the same fundamental values in a lot of ways.
00:43:48.620But it was just that the rich, the poor, and the people in the middle.
00:43:52.440Whereas what you've had since the 60s is this divergence, whereby you've had this wokeness, this wokification of the middle class, particularly, so that they don't any longer do the same things that the working class do.
00:44:06.760You have some of them that do, the ones that are the more Republican types, the more traditional types, more religious types, probably.
00:44:14.120But then you have those which deviate from it increasingly, and that's what we're seeing, this splitting apart, this coming apart.
00:44:19.660And what you might also expect would be that social climbers who were working class might begin to imitate what was perceived as the winning team.
00:45:57.580This one to the far right here is white men, no college.
00:46:01.140Again, you see a in Michigan, you see a 14 percent shift.
00:46:07.280So that among white men without a college degree, blue collar, if you want to call them, 14 percent shift towards the Democrats.
00:46:15.600Now, they're still voting for the Republicans on margin.
00:46:19.580But the other thing to think about is does that mean they're changing their mind or does that mean they've just got lazy chaps who are blue collar workers who wouldn't normally vote?
00:46:38.140Militate against the hypothesis of polarization.
00:46:41.320It's just that this is uniquely an election in which it's been incredibly easy to vote.
00:46:47.420And so people that really couldn't care less and who perhaps not very bright either because intelligence predicts voting, who aren't very bright and therefore might even think, oh, well, I'm working class.
00:47:04.120I mean, even I were 20 years ago, the full change, this idea that you're a Southerner and therefore you must never vote Republican ever, ever.
00:50:53.200White men, therefore, you've got an elevated working class people are less likely to vote than middle class people.
00:50:57.980So you end up with more white people voting, or white men voting, and those people are likely to be less fervent, and therefore they're more likely to vote for a status quo Democrat candidate.
00:51:08.680And the other possibility, or related possibility, is that these kinds of white men see that Joe is a bit like them.
00:52:52.940And Georgia is also just a huge state.
00:52:56.120Even if Trump does win, which is possible, the fact that that is a swing state in the Deep South and so on demonstrates tremendous demographic shift, i.e. whites moving to Democrats.
00:53:26.460But what he could have done, the things he could have done, like reacted to the big tech problems and all this kind of stuff, he didn't do.
00:54:45.520I mean, I don't want to go back into my, jump back on my deplatforming hobby horse.
00:54:49.760But there are ways that this issue can be solved.
00:54:53.760And just yammering about Section 230 and threatening that you're going to, that you're just going to get sued by all these people and saying that they're all fake news and they're horrible.
00:55:05.000Just doing that over and over has consequences.
00:57:08.720I mean, I'm maybe harsher than you are, but I just don't.
00:57:13.880I have sympathy for his, like, middle, I have sympathy for, like, the broad, white, middle class and working-collar people who support him and think that he's their only chance and he represents them.
00:57:26.100He doesn't hate them like the liberals.