Ethnic Projection
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In this episode, we talk about the holocaust memorial in Britain, counter-jihadism in the UK, and the dark history of the anti-colonialism movement in the late 90s and early 00s.
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all right we have a special guest as announced that is academic agent and we're going to talk
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about what's going on in britain and um the uh i think we might even go into a little bit of
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history about counter jihad or whatever we want to call it but um but uh neema how are you doing
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how are you doing richard you're right yes yeah i'm doing well how are things uh across the pond
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uh great yeah i'm well i mean i mean um i am personally fine uh
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things are not well well as regards how the country's doing uh it's just been announced
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that there's going to be this giant holocaust memorial built yes exactly in front of parliament
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like block like literally blocking the house's apartment and that is incredible i presume there's
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already a holocaust museum in england i mean i couldn't imagine that you've avoided that trend
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yeah i mean obviously there's holocaust uh museums here but they they the king king charles uh literally
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this only happened like an hour ago or something has um it's basically been announced that he's
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going to deliver a speech um he's going to deliver a speech saying that the holocaust memorial bill
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is going to be uh signed to ensure the holocaust is never forgotten and um i mean i don't know if
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you can get it on the scratch pad or whatever but there's there's mock-ups of how it's going to look
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basically um i presume i'm actually very curious about this but we can tell this is the thing
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from one perspective you could say that a holocaust memorial would be the jews
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thank you letter to england it would say thank you for fighting against nazi germany for holding out
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in the dark times and then ultimately proving triumphant and it could be this this moralizing
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thing but i am without even seeing the pictures i know what it's going to look like it is going to be
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a dark haunting rejoinder to british pride and patriotism it is not there as a thank you letter
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it is there as a a big downer that people will always walk by just when they're feeling
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you know good about themselves or that they can achieve something and we can move forward we can
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overcome they're going to walk by this more this memorial and they're going to be like oh gosh
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the holocaust six million dead the worst thing in history we should never forget basically it's saying
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you should be weighed down by this event for the rest of your life and with a public memorial for
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the rest of the century or two it's just it becomes unbearable at some point i remember when i was in
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high school i think it was high school maybe it was like freshman year college
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just visited the holocaust memorial in washington dc and it was brand new and at that time in the
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late 90s this was a rather new trend and you know look i don't i'm not a holocaust denier i understand
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the horrors of history and i think there are many other horrors beyond the holocaust that are
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you know worthy of of historical examination um but my my sense at that place was i just wanted out it was
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like being in a haunted house and it was there to scare me to morally judge me with these threats
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of like never again or never forget or so on and so on it's just this it it gave me the worst vibe and
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i remember thinking like we have all of these great museums on the mall of high art of european art of
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modern art you know such as it is and why not go and feel a rejuvenation in your life why not go and
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and look there's a brilliant rembrandt in the historical art museum why not go and learn about
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history of the past and feel energized and inspired um by art and if there is a purpose to art it must be
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that and i i just i just felt this i i wasn't i didn't have the political views i have now quiet i i
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didn't have the historical um awareness that i have now i don't i didn't have the critical awareness
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but it didn't work on me i was just like i'm tired of seeing this on some level this house of horrors which
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you've built becomes kitsch it becomes tacky and tasteless and something you just turn away from
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you know it's like some some tasteless piece of art you walk past it you know some toxic person you
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know in your life you stop dealing with them you just walk by you turn your back on something and i i
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would say even when i was in high school i really turned my back on this stuff because i i grasped but
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you know intuitively and i don't i don't think necessarily even critically at the time just this
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psychological manipulation this drowning in death and victimhood and despair and and it was effectively
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a high-class haunted house like you'd go to on you know halloween and get spooked whoo look at that oh my
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gosh look at the pajamas or the you know all the glasses and a giant pile it's you know it's just
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at some point you have to turn away from this stuff and i'm and i'm not suggesting that we don't like
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historically examine it critically i'm not suggesting it didn't happen or anything like that i do think
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it happened but at some point like they're bad things that happen in your life they're you're
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traumatized you you move on i mean if you think about israel right now you still have these
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fanatical freaks and they're they're all ugly people and i'm not surprised by that you go to
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the wailing wall and they're they're they just haven't gotten over 70 ad or the destruction of
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the temple by babylon they just can't get over this and they want to yell at you endlessly about
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their pain and suffering etc etc etc and at some point it's like listen guys i have had enough i have
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had enough of hearing about your trauma and victimhood and getting your ass kicked by the
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romans i'm just done and i want to actually live in this world i i don't want to be weighed down by
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gothic horrors which is what these memorials are really about but there you go well i mean it
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from a selfish point of view richard you know i want to write this book uh boomer boomer truth
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regime and um you know the whole idea of boomer truth is that the ultimate evil is hitler right
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the nazis represent the ultimate evil in all of history that supersedes any other conception of evil
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right that is basically the only evil and then the ultimate good is something like individual self
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expression as as you know articulated by mick jagger or something you know um or i i don't know it's uh
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it's uh the beatles trying to find themselves in india or something like that um and uh a couple of days
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ago there was uh news that uh the uh a center called the ann frank center in germany um was changing its name
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right the ann frank center was changing its name because that area is now occupied by
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migrants and the local council said well this name doesn't mean anything to the local migrants so
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we're changing it basically for work reasons and i was like wow and frank i mean i thought like
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and frank was like the jesus of boomer truth right i mean certainly when i was uh in school you know
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uh you know it was kind of like uh if you want to put it like the end boss of boomer truth is am frank
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and uh in fact for that to happen at this moment where you have jewish people all over twitter have
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you seen this meme would you hide me you've seen that right so i've seen it yes yeah i mean while this
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is in the ether they're literally changing the name of a building called after around frank so i was like
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shit by the time i write this book it's just gonna be out of date it's gonna be like boomer truth is
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over already you know so yeah do you think that's the case do you well okay i'll let you finish and
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then we can we can examine this so so when david cameron sent out this tweet saying you know we're
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gonna build this so people never ever ever forget type thing um my immediate response was well it's
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only natural this is the national religion after all um and i really think that we're in a crossroads
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we're on a crossroads for where the boomer truth is able to persist past this 75 year point i've
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heard the 80 years is typically the length of time given for the jewish state right um right and we're
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at crossroads and every day i'm like oh it's going this way and oh no the worksters are gonna win
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and it's very difficult to pass actually which way it's going to go um my i mean my
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on the long-term trend i agree with you and mark um i have to say your your coverage on this show
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has been excellent and i i've listened to all your shows i agree with you mark that that that israel is
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is in the process of delegitimating itself in the eyes of the world and losing moral authority
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yeah and i thought there was a moment there i thought oh look this atrocity is so bad
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that the usa is going to have to put israel in its place right but then the way this last week has
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uh panned out with blink and going there netanyahu basically no showing a press conference and then
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watching blink and go to uh turkey and get snubbed by erdogan and basically like come home tail between
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his legs achieving nothing i'm like oh right okay maybe israel really is the the tail that
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wags wags the dog maybe i mean netanyahu as things stand right now is probably the most powerful man in
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the world um yes but i don't think i don't think that that is a situation that can persist in the
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long run and i suspect he'll end his days in jail and i suspect that in the long run what we will see
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is uh design like zionism as an ideology killed forever yes and israel will basically have to be
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a normal secular state living by the same kind of uh globalist humanist rules as all the rest of them
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and they'll have to imbibe the rainbow dildo and the gay disco and all the rest of it and um
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uh then another thing i think may have happened is that if you if you type in benjamin netanyahu into
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just type in netanyahu into twitter what you'll be faced with is walls and walls of memes made by
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leftists some of them some of them made by uh you know kind of keith woods types right um basically
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showing netanyahu as hitler i.e the ideology that hitler had has now been inherited by uh by the
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israelis and in fact on the left they have this um they almost describe it as like the cycle of abuse
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like an abused child then grows up to be the abuser um so it's so i think um that netanyahu
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may have also killed off the idea of ethno-nationalism for another
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50 60 70 years because many people in the world will with some justification draw the conclusion that
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um this ideology the ideology of ethno-nationalism leads directly to genocide um now that is not
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necessarily the case i'm just saying they'll look at those two data points hitler and the holocaust
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and now netanyahu seemingly repeating it seemingly doing his own kind of genocide uh yeah and i mean
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honestly in terms of pr i i mean the channels that are running news about gaza calling it a
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genocide are massive i'm talking like democracy now there's one called redacted i mean these these
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these are channels with you know millions of subscribers and the sorts of voices i've seen
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have within our current paradigm moral authority i'm talking like judith butler right um you know
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nobel peace prize winners uh i mean this is not this is untenable to think that israel is going to be
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you know in the short term they may get away with it while they have this corrupt government in america
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but in the long run i think that actually the un has never had more moral authority than it has right
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now and i think in the long run the uh what i call the techno globalist types the davos types the um
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who are ultimately not hardcore zionists many of them right i think ultimately they will
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come out of this on top and israel as the schmittian exception will be put to bed forever
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that's my i mean that's how i i agree with i totally agree with what you foresee in fact and
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i you know you were putting forward this notion that it was you know the woke versus zionism
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and you know a little more than a hundred years ago during at the end of the first world war there
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was all of this enthusiasm elite enthusiasm for ethno-nationalism and that led uh in large part
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to the formation of israel and i think that is now gone and probably gone forever or for a hundred years
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um or something like that uh i i i think they're going i think they will complete their mission
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because and i think biden will actually be kind of scapegoated for this i think biden's going to lose
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the 2024 election as outlandish as that seems i mean he's going to allude to
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he's going to lose to a man in jail i mean i i don't want to sound too uh conspiratorial uh
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richard when i say this but increasingly as i've seen like um uh the way the discourse is playing
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out and so on um i actually think that america is already a jewish nation okay like calling it the
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west is no longer basically true i mean i think basically since world war ii we live you know in a
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jewish paradigm okay um and i don't mean that uh i don't mean that until i'm just what i mean is
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like we were talking about the holocaust memorial being erected in front of the houses of parliament
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so the first thing you see there is that rather than the the longer history of the nation um the way
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that um people talk especially the boomers and the older generation talk about jewish people in
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general it's almost like they're kind of um i don't know i mean did did you happen to see the
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douglas murray interview on trigonometry that's been doing the rounds it's yeah i was gonna i was
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gonna play that um let me keep talking and i'll i'll share the screen and i'll play it so that we have
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something to uh react to oh yeah there they come up with this idea for instance that there are
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indigenous people who were who were who were moved out the palestinian indigenous people and they were
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moved out by the jews you can do that if you want now let's do britain you want to play the indigenous
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people own the land first game and the other people should fuck off i do not want to live in a
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country with him as supporters i want them deported i want them chucked out simple if there are people
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in the uk who are offended by the posters of missing jewish children they must leave that clip is just
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like you know it's the epitome of groveling essentially but mark mark you have not i mean
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the whole that that whole interview is um it's about an hour long okay and i have to say the two
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trigonometry guys i am not fans of theirs i actually met them in real life once but uh you know i didn't
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get i kind of got grifter vibes off them to be honest um these two trigonometry guys they look
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absolutely terrified throughout the entire interview uh especially the one i mean there's one guy who is
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jewish uh and then the other guy is uh is non-jewish the non-jewish guy on has look you know you can see
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the look in his eyes at various points where it's like what am i doing here you know it's like you know
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that look where somebody's like you know i want to jump out the window or something um but let let me
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just read you what douglas murray says during this interview mark okay you have to hear this one of
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the simple problems about antisemitism is that it is a shape-shifting virus at one point in the history
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of europe they were hated because they were poor and then when they were hated uh and then um when they
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were rich they were hated when they were rich um they were hated for not integrating and then hated
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for integrating in the era where you could hate people for their religion they were hated for their
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religion and then when that became impossible in europe and you couldn't hate people for their religion
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they were hated for their race then at a particular point we discovered that you could not hate people
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for their race anymore so what did they hate them for if they were jewish they hated them for being
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stateless then the jewish people got a state and they were hated for having a state now you cannot
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tell me in this situation that there's a coincidence here it's not a coincidence that
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every way you do it it ends up like that it says douglas murray and then directly after he says
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anti-semitism tells you about the person who suffers from it not about the jews tell me what
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you accuse the jews of and i'll tell you what you're guilty of so there we go that's that was
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his kind of long spiel on anti-semitism yeah i mean it's just one big sob story ultimately i mean i
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don't want to appear callous or anything like this but it's like you know i mean evidently there's
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it's not just i mean these are kind of like these sort of kind of hackneyed things that get thrown
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around the dissident right for example uh so i apologize preemptively if i'm seeming cliche in
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any way but maybe i can try to put it in a more kind of civil uh presentation or gentle presentation
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at least um but yeah there's this idea that um well jews have had a lot of problems apparently
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they've uh they've been kicked out of many countries and they've had conflict with uh host
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host countries ethnic conflicts right um but the the sort of the presentation that they're never at
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fault it's just a kind of absurd narrative and or that there's nothing that they're doing wrong
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that could possibly be creating these scenarios um and at some point it's uh you know people become
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mature enough uh that they say well that doesn't make sense um i you know my my concern of course is
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that we could be i think it is definitely the case that we're entering in a kind of we're entering
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an anti-semitic phase and a lot of this if you've listened to the shows uh you understand or you
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know my perspective on this that because of the democratization of media through social media
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um this has kind of gotten out of the bag or it's kind of gotten out of control um and i and i think
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that the best thing we can do in my opinion is is provide a leadership um or seek to provide a kind
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of intellectual leadership that does not um you know repeat things that have occurred in the past
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um that prevents those things uh but finds a way of negotiating this jewish problem as it were um
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in a way that's humane and fair i mean you know we can't live in a society where
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they can talk shit about us but we can't talk shit about them or they're they're above reproach
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in this sort of thing it's just not those are not acceptable terms you know i mean jews would not
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oh please jump i mean it's a reoccurring problem all through i mean you could read henry ford you can
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read um hello belloc you can read and it's always the same where their perspective is like listen we
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need to be able to talk about this but the response is always the same basically hardcore censorship
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you know like they will not accept any responsibility or anything at all so it it immediately becomes a
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matter of all or nothing and it's this kind of all or nothing thing that then snowballs into the
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sort of thing that we're seeing um in gaza today and if i one of the things i wanted to ask you
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one of the things i've often wondered about is the extent to which nazism as it was developed by the
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mid-century germans or as as it is presented even more in the kind of mythology of what i call the
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boomer truth regime in hollywood and so on i've often wondered about the extent to which nazism as we
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think of it is actually just a kind of negative mirror or inversion of their own mindset is that
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too controversial to say because it is our perception of nazism or actual national socialism i'm talking
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about the perception of nazism as a kind of racial supremacist doctrine right that is basically genocidal