00:00:05.980I've observed before that I don't recall ever seeing someone in high office in my lifetime in this country who plays their personal beliefs.0.76
00:09:49.900It's like everyone in this sphere kind of does too.
00:09:53.200And it's probably likely because he's more of a classical liberal trying to look for
00:09:58.000a theology um rather than a theologist religious person trying to understand a classically liberal
00:10:05.340world or something you know it's like the other way around but yeah i find it kind of a little
00:10:10.240bit hypocritical that they're that they're going after advance right now when when i don't think
00:10:15.320i don't know so much about jeremy boring as far as his theology but i think rodreer is kind of a0.94
00:10:20.780bit of a hypocrite yeah a regular guy yeah i was gonna say um it basically took the book
00:10:29.480it took the average american the bolshevik revolution to sort of to feel bad for orthodox0.98
00:10:36.160christians like 120 years ago they would be about as foreign as to the average american as
00:10:44.460muslims would be say pre or post around the time of 9 11 um which it always struck me as odd that
00:10:54.200a lot of white nationalists would convert to eastern orthodoxy um in 2018 there was like a0.50
00:11:01.680upstart group called the legion of saint ambrose they went they went to protest some gay pride
00:11:09.220parade and um is matthew heimbach involved with that not probably but i wouldn't put it past him
00:11:17.580yeah they went to protest some gay pride rally in in tennessee and instead of like oh the west
00:11:23.520bro baptist church like oh we recognize these sorts of people most people would have probably0.98
00:11:29.420like had a what is this react what is this reaction what is more odd like homosexuals
00:11:37.560or orthodox christians in the deep south history yeah exactly in the southeast the land in tennessee
00:11:46.120a landlocked southeast state yes of the data points that i observe they don't all trouble me
00:11:55.560but some of them i find very troubling his relationship with tucker carlson is very
00:11:59.400troubling me too i agree tucker carlson is one of the true uh uh malign forces operating in
00:12:07.320in American public life, you know, Tucker engages in rhetorical manipulation at a scale that I
00:12:14.900haven't ever really seen, demagoguery at a scale that I haven't really seen in a broadcaster in
00:12:20.240my lifetime. He has a very clear agenda, a deep hatred of the Jews in Israel. I don't think that
00:12:26.640he always had a deep hatred of the Jews in Israel, but it has certainly become unavoidable. You know,1.00
00:12:32.240If you pull up the last 100 episodes of Tucker's show, you're going to struggle to find 10 of them that aren't on, like, headline on questions of American support for Israel or historical Judaism.
00:12:52.220When a man says that he's been attacked by demons, I've said before, I'm not Catholic.
00:13:39.340And the vice president, I've defended J.D. Vance in the past
00:13:43.560by saying I understand not attacking a friend publicly.
00:13:49.700Friendship is a very high value to me.
00:13:52.900But this is public life with high stakes and high consequences to our coalition right now.
00:14:00.580And J.D. Vance has done nothing to distance himself publicly from Tucker as his remarks have become more and more aberrant.
00:14:07.940I'm deeply concerned that J.D. seems to save his most vicious attacks for supporters of Israel in this country and evangelical supporters of Israel in this country.
00:14:19.360and has almost no criticisms whatsoever for these sort of post-liberal forces operating in the
00:14:28.420country, the forces that are most dividing the country. He's been a great friend. I don't know
00:14:32.980this personally, but I have the same information everyone else does. I believe J.D. has been a
00:14:37.280great friend to TPUSA and to Erica Kirk since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I think it
00:14:42.260speaks very well of him. His behavior has been very admirable, and yet he's had almost nothing
00:14:46.660to say in contravention of the voices that are disparaging her at a level of...
00:14:53.060Candace Owens, how can you be silent and be a friend of Erica Kirk?
00:14:57.020The greatest act of public defamation may be in American history.
00:19:21.460So he refused that sort of help. He told me he'd be fine, just him and the Bible. I even
00:19:27.320offer to get a Protestant deliverance pastor for him. That wasn't good enough for him. But he gets
00:19:32.280fired from Fox a couple of months later in the Dominion settlement. And then that fall, he
00:19:36.600launches his own network and goes really dark, really fast with that Daryl Cooper, who says
00:19:43.160Churchill is a real villain of World War II. And you've seen as well as I have, it got darker and
00:19:48.300darker and darker. And then he gets Puentes on. And that's when I finally felt like I had to speak
00:19:53.640out and say something i just said this was a big mistake something i wrote and uh you shouldn't do
00:19:59.420this we ought to keep the firewall there and tucker texted me ending our friendship that's that
00:20:05.980well uh but i thought about that demonic attack which i believe was real since i'll just jump on
00:20:14.800the firewall here i i remember jonathan bowden said this not when i interviewed him but maybe
00:20:21.400he did say it when i interviewed him but he also i just remember it from another conversation he
00:20:26.100had but it is interesting this asymmetry between left and right where the left gets energized by
00:20:32.780their avant-garde whereas the right is at least the older right that rod dreyer is a part of
00:20:38.820it feels like they need to police their avant-garde and it's you know a liberal a typical
00:20:47.060liberal democrat 30 years ago or even even 15 years ago would be like gay marriage whoa0.88
00:20:54.620no one wants gay marriage that's a little wacky gays getting married well who's the bride who's1.00
00:21:01.300the groom i don't know you know he would do that routine but then it just takes them a little time1.00
00:21:06.360and then they're like you know we as americans all believe that gays should get married you know
00:21:10.020they they get energized by their vanguard ideas whereas the the right it's like we need to pull
00:21:16.280There's a firewall here. We need to police these ideas. It's a very interesting asymmetry.
00:21:22.280I've noticed. I got it from Bowden, though. AOC.
00:21:27.160Yeah, I think that kind of goes into the fact that I think left wingers, maybe like a 60 year old Democrat voter, they sort of look up to young people in a way, whereas on the right wing, you know, you get like a 20 year old tradesman type.
00:21:41.260they really look up to older people um and so that the left the young people have a lot more
00:21:46.940cultural cachet right it's a total reverse yeah in november after all after he had broke with me
00:21:55.080and all that i was sitting in budapest on my couch uh trying to put off going to bed i looked at
00:22:01.780youtube the algorithm served up a clip from a tucker recent tucker broadcast in which tucker
00:22:08.560sitting in his main studio talking with a guy who looks like a hunter a local hunter
00:22:13.920and tucker starts off talking about the things that are the spooky things in the woods behind
00:22:20.000his house in maine and he goes on to say that when i go back there hunting i feel evil spirits
00:22:26.480in a certain part of the place he said local people have told me yeah don't go back there
00:22:31.120that's bad news tucker says on the clip you can find it on youtube he says i even found a 1929
00:22:38.160Field and Stream magazine article talking about the spooky haunted woods. But said Tucker,
00:22:45.840the hunting is great back there, so I'd go. I immediately thought of a film I had seen
00:22:51.800called The Witch, a 2015 film by the director Robert Eggers. I don't like horror movies,
00:22:58.200but Eggers is a really great director, and I wanted to see this movie. It was his first big hit.
00:23:20.200So he and his family get exiled to the edge of a forest.
00:23:24.100In the film, inside the forest lives a witch with demonic powers.
00:23:28.080And over the course of the movie, that physical proximity to spiritual evil that is located in a place works on the pride of the protagonist to destroy him and his family.
00:23:42.180I have a theory that something like that might have happened to Tucker.
00:24:06.480You know, I'm glad to hear you say that you don't believe in your personal experience that the vice president himself has anti-Semitic views of the sort that some people in his association very plainly do have.
00:24:23.340You know, J.D. Vance could be president right now.
00:24:26.980I mean, at this very moment, you know, he's the vice president is one heartbeat away, they say.
00:24:31.560And as you and I sit here, we have the oldest president, the oldest man ever elected president in Donald Trump.
00:24:38.920We have, you know, no reason to think that President Trump's health is bad or anything like that.
00:24:48.020but every possibility that at any moment the fate of the country
00:27:01.140his i mean i guess we can just talk through this because these these guys are so long-winded
00:27:10.860uh zoom user you can jump in first and then i'll
00:27:15.180richard not to uh slightly backtrack but the point you made about you know the difference
00:27:21.820between conservatives and liberals and how they look at you know the the youth and the seniors0.82
00:27:27.700who they look up to or down upon do you ever see this changing as boomers die off because the way0.58
00:27:34.480it works right now you literally have young conservatives essentially larping as boomers0.63
00:27:41.580like you know the hollyhand types like checking all the right boxes with what they say you know
00:27:47.900to appeal to boomers that's literally conservatism in a nutshell like do you see this changing as0.76
00:27:54.600boomers die out like is it just gonna completely divulge into the schizophrenic nonsense we see
00:28:01.780right now or what do you see i do think it's changing i mean i i think i i mean i think there
00:28:08.820might be something extremely deep almost archetypal about how conservatives look to the old and
00:28:15.820liberals look to the young there's like a left-right divide and the left is energized by
00:28:22.760their vanguard whereas the right polices their vanguard i think this might have some just like
00:28:28.420deep psychological bent due to the psychological profiles of the left and right um but i i guess
00:28:37.720this is the question i mean i i had this conversation uh over the weekend as well
00:28:44.000about maybe nick's nick fuentes that is his strategy is to just sort of wait it out you know
00:28:53.580rod dreher is gen x i would presume maybe he's a young boomer but he's kind of up there to be
00:29:00.480honest and he feels like he's on his back foot and at some point it's not going to be 30 percent
00:29:07.640gripers uh just due to a factor of age it's going to be 60 percent gripers and they're just going to
00:29:15.240win um it's interesting i mean i i think something has changed i mean the phenomena that these two
00:29:25.700men are talking about is real in the sense of i mean i remember there was a survey done in 2017
00:29:33.500And this was actually post Charlottesville. And it was that basically like eight to nine percent of the population is alt-right, even though they don't use that name. They basically agree with the alt-right. And that means that that's at least doubled within the Republican Party. It's probably like tripled, maybe.
00:29:51.380And I even remember Nick Fuentes' criticism of this, which was that we can't be that 8%. We've got to be like 50%. We've got to be conservative nationalists, American patriots, whatever. That was sort of the optics debate at the time.
00:30:07.340but i don't think that that's really changed actually i i still think that that percentage
00:30:13.140of the population remains there um but yeah i i mean i do i do think that something has changed
00:30:23.460in the sense that bob dole never would have even considered pandering to the far right
00:30:33.180in the way that jd vans does it was more about policing now they did race baiting which is
00:30:42.120something a little bit different they would the republicans the southern strategy they've been
00:30:47.640race baiting for more than my entire lifetime but the pandering to these groups i think is something
00:30:54.660that is sort of new and different actually and i i mean i guess these dreyer and boring are getting
00:31:06.240at this um although they're not articulating in the way that i would but you know i saw a lot of
00:31:14.160people just yesterday when this came out i saw a lot of people on twitter and they were like
00:31:18.440oh you know jd vance refuses to denounce nick fuentes he's so nick nick fuentes is so powerful
00:31:27.480jd vance just won't denounce him or whatever well okay that's one way of looking at it but
00:31:36.180another way of looking at it is that he does see this as a strategy like
00:31:42.420Nick might tell you to not vote for the Republicans in the midterm and maybe even vote for Democrats,
00:31:50.540but it's to sort of make a point about Israel.
00:31:53.940But at the end of the day, 90 to 99% of his audience are Republicans and did vote for Trump
00:32:03.260and will vote for Trump again, who knows, in 2028, or would vote for the Republican.0.99
00:32:09.500Nick has said himself, the Republicans suck, but the Democrats want to kill me.0.98
00:32:14.700Well, that sounds like you're clearly making a calculation that we need to vote Republican, if only to stay alive.0.99