RadixJournal - Faustian Identity

00:00:00.180 Romain, welcome back to the podcast. How are you?

00:00:03.700 Hi, Richard. Fine, and you?

00:00:05.640 Good. I'm doing quite well. It is very cold out here in the Pacific Northwest.

00:00:11.240 How is the weather in Paris?

00:00:13.760 Actually, you know, we are close to the British Channel,

00:00:17.220 so the climate is quite oceanic, and winters are not that cold in Paris.

00:00:25.400 Well, that is nice.

00:00:26.460 So it's maybe 10 degrees Celsius. I don't know in your scale what it is, but it's nice.

00:00:35.800 I don't know what that is in non-communist measurement units, but it's probably somewhat chilly.

00:00:43.840 We should stop talking about the earth and weather and things mundane,

00:00:48.400 because we are meant to leave this earth.

00:00:51.720 So let's begin a discussion about Interstellar,

00:00:58.400 which is the film recently released by, directed by Christopher Nolan,

00:01:03.780 starring Matthew McConaughey, Anne Hathaway, and others.

00:01:10.560 Let's just jump into it.

00:01:12.900 And I would say this before we begin.

00:01:14.560 First off, I think this podcast is really a sketch,

00:01:19.840 because I think there is a great deal involved with this movie.

00:01:25.140 I think Christopher Nolan is raising many very important themes,

00:01:29.000 and he's also raising a lot of issues that relate back to other classics of science fiction.

00:01:35.940 I mean, you said in your review, Ramon, that this is a remake of 2001,

00:01:40.900 and maybe that's a little bit of a stretch, but I think actually it's right.

00:01:44.680 It is a kind of remake, in the sense that almost every science fiction movie is a remake of 2001,

00:01:52.160 because you can't escape it.

00:01:54.020 It's so iconic.

00:01:55.480 It's everywhere.

00:01:57.940 And also, I think he's raising some other important philosophical issues,

00:02:01.840 and some interesting scientific issues, including relativity and other things.

00:02:06.540 And so I think, you know, I think this is a good start.

00:02:10.920 I think we might need to revisit Interstellar later on.

00:02:14.600 And I'd also say that if you haven't actually seen Interstellar,

00:02:19.860 and you're listening to this podcast,

00:02:22.540 then all I could say is, why?

00:02:27.180 We'll definitely spoil things.

00:02:29.720 It's the movie is well worth seeing.

00:02:31.540 So I would go out and watch it, and then come back and listen to Ramon and I talk about it.

00:02:39.800 So why don't we, let's, I think a good place to start with this is in the apocalyptic nature of the film.

00:02:48.920 And let me set this up a little bit, and then I'll let you talk.

00:02:54.800 You know, I mentioned 2001 before.

00:02:56.860 2001, you could say, is a, you could say that it is a propaganda film for the space age.

00:03:06.940 And I think you could actually say that very literally.

00:03:09.660 Actually, in the, the, the, one of the, one of the final cuts, not the final cut of the film,

00:03:16.440 it actually included interviews with NASA scientists,

00:03:20.060 and it was, you know, it was almost a presentation of,

00:03:25.300 this is the, the great new world we're going to live in with NASA.

00:03:28.880 Now, obviously, there are a lot of different aspects of the film,

00:03:31.700 and in many ways, Kubrick paints a very, a dark picture of a society.

00:03:37.540 But I would say that the society presented in 2001,

00:03:41.000 at least the glimpses we get of it,

00:03:42.980 is of a global scientific socialism society.

00:03:47.860 And it is, it is one that is capable of marvels.

00:03:52.160 It's one that, for which space travel and exploring the universe

00:03:57.960 is something just simply taken for granted.

00:04:01.560 It, it's one where probably the USSR and the U.S. are, are kind of interchangeable societies.

00:04:07.500 They're certainly collaborating.

00:04:09.560 But it's also a darker society.

00:04:11.260 There's a society of lies and a society of, of, of bureaucracy and, and things like that.

00:04:17.500 But this, 2001 paints a picture of a very, a very positive picture of the world in 2001.

00:04:25.480 You know, the, seeing that movie in 1968,

00:04:27.800 it was, it was a sense that we are going to accomplish miracles in 2001.

00:04:32.700 We are going to be doing these things that we can't even imagine today.

00:04:37.940 Let's fast forward to Interstellar. 0.74

00:04:40.200 The world it presents is dramatically different.

00:04:44.580 The world it presents is something like the 1930s Depression-era Dust Bowl,

00:04:51.000 where people are, society is regressing.

00:04:55.860 It, and as, as you mentioned in your article, Romain,

00:04:58.260 it, America ends with a, or the world ends with a whimper and not a bang.

00:05:02.780 It, it, it's not a, it's not really a Mad Max scenario,

00:05:06.400 and it's not a World War III, everyone's dead scenario.

00:05:10.560 It, it seems to be just a, you know, the, the world just has been getting worse for, for decades now.

00:05:17.040 We can't do anything.

00:05:18.880 People are starving.

00:05:20.820 Farming has become, has reasserted itself as, as, as, as this extremely important, necessary profession.

00:05:28.480 Something we, farming is something now we take for granted.

00:05:31.120 It's all, I guess it's always been necessary.

00:05:33.160 We, we've gone back in time.

00:05:35.080 And, and, and there is a scene where John Lithgow, who is, who plays Matthew McConaughey's father,

00:05:43.960 and, or does he play his father-in-law?

00:05:46.500 Does he, he plays?

00:05:46.940 Father-in-law.

00:05:47.560 Father-in-law, excuse me, yeah.

00:05:49.280 And Matthew McConaughey's character, Cooper, his wife has, has passed away due to cancer

00:05:54.920 that could not be cured with modern, you know, uh, MRA machines and things like this.

00:06:01.880 Uh, but, uh, but, but he's, you know, John Lithgow is, um, he, he's there and he's saying

00:06:07.740 that, you know, every, he's remembering back, and you could tell that he's remembering back

00:06:12.000 to, say, circa 2014.

00:06:14.060 He's saying, every day used to be like Christmas, you know, first it was the iPhone 6, and then

00:06:20.300 it was the iPhone 6 plus, and then the 7, you know, he, basically he's, he's, he's, he's

00:06:25.300 going, and he said at one point also, like, everyone wanted to have it all.

00:06:28.880 And I think he's getting at this consumerist society, uh, you know, where we're obsessed

00:06:34.980 with new jobs and new, getting new gadgets and entertaining ourselves in new ways.

00:06:40.320 You see, I, I think that's what he's gesturing, he's gesturing into our society.

00:06:43.540 And I think what he's saying, if you, if you conflate these two things, I think what he's

00:06:47.600 saying is we ultimately live in a desert.

00:06:50.400 And, you know, yes, uh, there's some marvels to our society, uh, that are, that are great.

00:06:58.380 The fact that we can do all this stuff on touchscreens and, and smartphones, and, and that's a lot

00:07:03.760 of fun, but at the end of the day, we're, we're totally impoverished.

00:07:07.480 And so I, I really think, you know, if you can see where I'm going, I, I think both

00:07:13.480 Lithgow's memory and, and what, um, what, what Nolan presents, uh, as reality in this,

00:07:20.860 in the, in the future in Interstellar, that's right now.

00:07:23.980 I, I think that's a commentary that we live in an age of modern marvels, but it's all about

00:07:28.980 to go away. 0.66

00:07:29.800 We can kind of see that, that we're living on borrowed time.

00:07:32.740 We're, we're living on debt and it's, it's going to go away.

00:07:37.220 And at the very least, it's, it's a kind of, it's an impoverished society where we, we no

00:07:41.760 longer have that will or even that ability, uh, to reach for the stars.

00:07:46.900 We, we now think, you know, NASA, uh, you know, as you mentioned, NASA has now been, has

00:07:52.720 now abandoned its Faustian ambitions and instead is dedicated to raising the self-esteem of Muslims

00:07:59.940 or, uh, fulfilling diversity quotas.

00:08:03.000 It's, it's no longer this industry, uh, that, uh, you know, and it was an industry to get

00:08:09.720 to the moon.

00:08:10.440 We didn't just have a NASA program.

00:08:12.120 We had, uh, huge industries all working together in unison for this big goal.

00:08:18.580 Uh, we no longer have that.

00:08:20.320 We, you know, we, we have a, just one more government department that is, uh, you know,

00:08:25.120 concerned with equality and diversity and not, uh, you know, superhuman ideals of going beyond

00:08:31.660 ourselves into the unknown.

00:08:33.940 And, uh, so anyway, I, I think, and I've gone on too long, I'll let you talk now, Roma, but

00:08:38.540 I think this is really Nolan's commentary on our modern world.

00:08:43.020 We might think that it's full of marvels and that it's scientific, but no, it's actually

00:08:48.000 impoverished.

00:08:48.680 It's actually a desert and we're living on borrowed time and we are experiencing a kind

00:08:54.800 of collapse, a collapse of ourselves, of our ideals, of our ambitions.

00:08:59.780 Um, so what are you, what are your thoughts on just this, this background to the movie

00:09:05.020 Interstellar?

00:09:05.680 The fact that it, you know, the fact that it took place in a depression?

00:09:10.260 Well, you mentioned that, uh, you know, um, and I mentioned it in my review that, uh, Cooper's

00:09:19.600 wife died because, uh, her tumor wasn't diagnosed in time.

00:09:24.660 And what's interesting is that, you know, we live on borrowed time and, and so the machines

00:09:33.560 we use, we don't really deserve them in a way, but, uh, you know, we are all also, uh, it's

00:09:42.460 also a cognitive process of degeneracy.

00:09:47.000 I mean that, uh, all these marvels have been created on the basis of science that were established

00:09:57.200 between the 17th and the 19th century and the first half of the, of the twenties.

00:10:03.020 Yeah.

00:10:03.880 But, uh, you know, when you took, when you take a generation now, even if, uh, young people

00:10:12.480 today studying science, um, I'm not sure we have, you know, uh, the brain power, not only

00:10:22.440 to invent new things, but to really maintain them.

00:10:25.920 And, uh, I don't want to sound too reactionary, but, uh, there might be a time when, uh, you

00:10:35.720 know, uh, students and researchers and engineers and professors are not gifted enough to maintain

00:10:46.240 all these infrastructures like, uh, nuclear power plants and, you know, it's, uh, it's true

00:10:55.080 in Anglo-Saxon countries and it's also true in France and actually many other countries.

00:11:01.240 Uh, I think, uh, Russia as, um, you know, was a leading country, uh, under so-called communism

00:11:08.880 and in science and it's less the case now.

00:11:12.120 Um, maybe Germany is resisting, but only in very practical engineering, which is, uh, actually

00:11:20.660 what Germans do best today, but, uh, before that they were, uh, leading researchers.

00:11:27.420 And, um, if you take, uh, really a generation of engineers and researchers, I don't think we

00:11:38.560 have the same talent as before.

00:11:40.720 I might be wrong because I'm not a scientific type, but, um, you know, it's, it's very, really

00:11:49.200 general.

00:11:50.080 And also the fact that, uh, today scientists are really focused on their field, but they

00:11:57.380 don't have, they don't see the big picture.

00:11:59.400 You don't have like, um, you know, in, in most Western countries, uh, you had, uh, in politics

00:12:08.340 and in, um, you know, the printing press, uh, the press, I mean, uh, you know, publishing

00:12:15.460 newspapers, uh, in, even in, in arts, you had, uh, people who are trained in, um, you know,

00:12:24.500 to be physicians, physicians or, um, you know, doctors or, uh, uh, you know, they had studied

00:12:32.380 science, but then they developed their talents in other fields.

00:12:38.820 And today you don't have that, you know, I, scientists are almost a kind of case, which

00:12:45.340 is very powerful and important, but they don't, for example, when you have many people who are

00:12:52.920 very good at math or physics or biology, but they are almost ignorant in other fields.

00:13:00.160 And I don't think that science can maintain itself if it cuts itself from philosophy or

00:13:07.120 history or literature.

00:13:10.280 Well, I agree.

00:13:11.480 I think you can look at this in, across all fields.

00:13:14.900 I think that that lack of a, of an overriding purpose or a great dream or, or meaning, I think

00:13:22.820 we have all become, to use a German word, Fock Mensch, uh, we, we've become, we've become

00:13:28.960 pigeonholed people.

00:13:30.360 People are very good at a particular specialty.

00:13:33.320 Um, but beyond that, whether they have, whether they think about anything is questionable.

00:13:38.180 I, I remember there was, um, we shouldn't perhaps, uh, dilate on this too much, but I, I remember,

00:13:44.720 uh, seeing this study that showed that the iPhone 5, which came out, uh, two years ago,

00:13:52.820 that the computing power within one iPhone 5 is greater than the entire computing power

00:14:01.520 of the world in 1965.

00:14:04.920 I'll go look this up.

00:14:06.440 Uh, I might have gotten a detail here or there wrong, but you get the general point.

00:14:11.500 What we, the, the kind of, the, the ability that, the amount of billions of transistors

00:14:15.960 that we're carrying around every day in our, in our smartphone or our, our watch soon or

00:14:21.500 something like this, it's mind boggling.

00:14:23.880 It is really more power than these computers that would exist in a building, uh, 50 years

00:14:30.760 ago.

00:14:31.200 And that is...

00:14:31.860 And do we deserve it?

00:14:32.880 Exactly.

00:14:33.380 Do we deserve it?

00:14:33.960 But also, what are we doing?

00:14:35.220 I mean, you know, think of Silicon Valley.

00:14:37.340 I mean, again, I, I don't, I don't want to sound like a Luddite.

00:14:40.680 I kind of hate, I think that's a, that's another thing.

00:14:43.900 I don't want to sound like that.

00:14:44.800 I don't want to sound like a reactionary.

00:14:46.140 I don't want to sound like, oh, we should all go back to the fields and start, you know,

00:14:50.820 farming.

00:14:51.600 I, I, I admire a lot of these people.

00:14:54.240 I, I think these people are the people who can come up with something or can craft the

00:14:58.580 greatest smartphone.

00:14:59.820 But at the end of the day, people are using their iPhone five or six to tweet about what

00:15:05.660 they had for dinner while they're sitting on the toilet.

00:15:07.840 Well, the problem is more of the massified aspect of it.

00:15:11.800 Right.

00:15:12.120 That might be true.

00:15:12.620 And that's, that's how it is.

00:15:14.020 And it's where Silicon Valley is wrong because you have these people who are geniuses like

00:15:20.200 Steve Jobs.

00:15:21.420 Um, it's less the case for Bill Gates, but he's obviously, obviously a genius.

00:15:26.500 Really, I, I wouldn't say he's a genius.

00:15:30.780 I would say he's a very, very, very clever man, but not a creative genius like Steve Jobs.

00:15:36.520 Right.

00:15:36.720 So these guys are an elite, an intellectual and mental elite.

00:15:41.860 And then they want to bring the fruit of their knowledge to, to the masses who maybe don't

00:15:51.440 deserve it.

00:15:52.700 And, uh, in Interstellar to get back to the movie.

00:15:56.080 Yeah.

00:15:56.500 Uh, we have the result of, uh, the massive, massification of technologies.

00:16:01.260 The problem is not that you have technology, even, you know, technology that is really,

00:16:10.420 that, that can be bad for the environment, but only if you massify it.

00:16:15.560 And, uh, you know, the fact that we, we, that the industry is producing cars and planes and

00:16:25.740 computers is not a bad thing in itself.

00:16:28.520 It's a bad thing when you have a nation, um, it's America.

00:16:33.280 It's a little less the case in Europe, but still with families having two or three cars and it's

00:16:41.960 obviously too much.

00:16:43.040 And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, uh, and, uh, uh,

00:17:01.680 I'm not sure where Nolan stands on eugenics and dysgenics,

00:17:06.460 but people in Interstellar, you know,

00:17:10.660 when they watch the baseball game at the beginning of the movie,

00:17:15.760 people look really degraded physically and mentally.

00:17:20.960 And it's also the consequence of the fact that, you know,

00:17:26.020 everything was brought to everyone,

00:17:28.400 and natural selection was not only stopped, but reverted.

00:17:33.920 And so you have the NASA types in the movie, in Interstellar,

00:17:39.340 who don't have children or just one child, like Professor Brand.

00:17:44.600 And you have now, in Interstellar,

00:17:47.680 you have more, you know, numerous families among lower classes.

00:17:54.400 And by lower, I don't mean by the income, but by the quality.

00:18:01.140 And it's also, it's not the consequence of technology or the industrial revolution,

00:18:06.580 but of the fact that the prevailing ideas were egalitarian.

00:18:13.140 And so I'm repeating myself, but I really want to stress that.

00:18:18.040 And I think Christopher Nolan really is gesturing towards these ideas that we're talking about.

00:18:30.440 And again, he's gesturing towards them the way that a filmmaker would.

00:18:34.040 If a filmmaker does not write essays,

00:18:37.620 where every argument is explicit and buttressed with evidence and so on and so forth,

00:18:43.460 a filmmaker gestures towards a feeling or an idea.

00:18:48.940 And I think that is what he's talking about, I think, with all this.

00:18:52.220 I mean, it's interesting when Cooper first discovers NASA,

00:18:57.600 I noticed that there was a kind of almost fairy tale,

00:19:01.440 or you could say Spielbergian aspect of this.

00:19:03.600 You know, he's getting a signal that he thinks might be from somewhere,

00:19:08.680 and then he goes to NASA, and then they're like,

00:19:11.060 oh, I'm glad we're here.

00:19:12.220 Okay, get ready, we're going to send you into space. 0.76

00:19:14.920 There was something kind of incredible about that,

00:19:18.900 and fairy tale-like.

00:19:21.400 But maybe that was kind of fitting with this whole movie.

00:19:23.940 But anyway...

00:19:24.620 Isn't it related to The Shine?

00:19:26.680 Because I saw it as a reference to Shining,

00:19:30.160 which actually we talked about maybe a year ago with John Morgan.

00:19:34.220 And this, because oftentimes when, you know,

00:19:43.080 the way we see reality through the five senses is, you know,

00:19:52.260 there might be, so there was a movie like Sixth Sense,

00:19:55.560 but Shining is about that too.

00:19:57.520 Maybe it's just a Sixth Sense that Murph, so Coop's daughter has,

00:20:04.660 and she gets a signal.

00:20:07.640 I don't want to spoil the movie too much,

00:20:09.820 but we can say that, of course,

00:20:12.640 the signals are coming from her father.

00:20:16.400 And, but I know it's not credible,

00:20:20.380 but it's also a supernatural movie,

00:20:23.180 so it doesn't have to be realistic.

00:20:25.460 I wasn't, you know, really disturbed by that.

00:20:29.500 Where are you?

00:20:30.320 No, I wasn't disturbed at all.

00:20:31.940 I, whenever, I've seen some headlines of reviews of Interstellar

00:20:36.140 where nerds are kind of like,

00:20:37.980 well, you know, if a planet were that close to a black hole,

00:20:43.800 then the waves wouldn't be... 0.94

00:20:45.420 I mean, I'm just like, please shut up.

00:20:47.420 I mean, it's not, it's a film.

00:20:49.240 It's not, you know...

00:20:51.360 It's a movie.

00:20:51.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:52.640 It should be imaginative.

00:20:54.060 If I, I don't, I mean, I would,

00:20:56.980 gods forbid that people start making scientifically accurate

00:21:00.540 science fiction films.

00:21:02.080 They're going to be awful.

00:21:04.460 You know?

00:21:05.720 I mean, anyway, yeah, I, I just think that that,

00:21:08.540 that is a totally wrong end.

00:21:10.960 I think you have to see, like,

00:21:12.200 they are taking real science.

00:21:13.940 I mean, I, what I've heard is that the,

00:21:16.240 the calculations that they made

00:21:18.000 for, for, for Einsteinian relativity.

00:21:21.920 That is, time is going to be dilated

00:21:24.740 as you're closer to a gravitational force.

00:21:28.880 And, oh, I was able to understand this stuff

00:21:31.500 at one point in my life,

00:21:32.520 or I thought I could understand it.

00:21:34.120 But, you know, if you're, if you're traveling,

00:21:37.760 if you're traveling closer and closer

00:21:39.940 to the speed of light,

00:21:40.960 obviously the speed of light is a constant.

00:21:42.520 You can't travel.

00:21:43.400 Theoretically, you can't travel faster than it.

00:21:46.140 You know, you're going to obviously experience time

00:21:49.180 just like you would here on Earth or anywhere.

00:21:51.860 But, your time is going to be,

00:21:56.780 the time of someone closer to a gravitational body

00:22:00.400 is going to be moving, from your perspective,

00:22:02.660 a great, much more slowly.

00:22:05.920 And, it was kind of interesting.

00:22:08.260 There is this, you could see that this,

00:22:10.280 there's something about this

00:22:11.340 that Christopher Nolan is interested in.

00:22:14.420 This kind of, almost, this relativity

00:22:18.720 and things like that.

00:22:19.500 You see this in Inception,

00:22:20.840 where, you know, time would have different values

00:22:23.880 at different places,

00:22:25.640 and, you know, someone, something was happening.

00:22:28.040 It was like a big watch

00:22:30.020 where all the little parts were kind of moving,

00:22:32.740 and one was ticking, you know, very slowly.

00:22:35.860 The other was spinning,

00:22:36.880 but they were kind of all working together.

00:22:38.500 I think there's something about that kind of conception

00:22:43.460 that attracts Christopher Nolan.

00:22:45.680 He's clearly interested in that.

00:22:48.040 And, Memento.

00:22:49.620 Oh, yeah, Memento,

00:22:50.740 as well.

00:22:51.380 Yeah, as you mentioned,

00:22:52.020 it was a non-linear story,

00:22:53.760 but yet it all kind of fit together.

00:22:55.740 Actually, I would say,

00:22:56.600 I don't, I think Memento

00:22:59.140 is a kind of dissatisfying film for me,

00:23:02.080 but at the same time,

00:23:03.920 you could see the germs

00:23:06.700 of all these ideas

00:23:07.680 that Nolan would develop later within it,

00:23:10.320 and especially Inception and Interstellar.

00:23:14.540 So that, it is very interesting in that sense.

00:23:18.280 I got off on a tangent.

00:23:19.480 Let me try to climb back to where I was before.

00:23:22.360 But it's interesting that, you know,

00:23:25.420 NASA itself is really underground.

00:23:28.260 You know, they're no longer getting funding.

00:23:30.440 They're using the older, you know, parts and that kind of stuff.

00:23:35.660 They're kind of like an underground society.

00:23:38.260 Maybe if someone,

00:23:39.720 if someone ever happened upon some of our private conferences.

00:23:43.160 But it's also due to the fact that

00:23:45.880 the state has almost collapsed,

00:23:48.440 and it's a kind of feudal state.

00:23:50.740 And I'm not, you know,

00:23:53.120 I'm not saying that feudalism was bad,

00:23:56.180 but in this situation, it is.

00:23:58.500 You have a government

00:24:01.280 that is only actually focused on food production.

00:24:07.500 Yeah.

00:24:08.540 And, but it's,

00:24:11.920 it doesn't really have the means

00:24:13.820 to check everything that's going on.

00:24:17.380 And actually, NASA is just taking a share of the territory.

00:24:20.740 And we can imagine that formally,

00:24:24.200 it is still the United States,

00:24:25.920 but maybe there are states or parts of states

00:24:30.140 which seceded from, you know,

00:24:34.300 the federal governments

00:24:35.480 because the infrastructures

00:24:38.700 don't allow a modern state to function

00:24:41.440 and therefore to check if everyone is,

00:24:44.960 you know, paying taxes to the federal government

00:24:48.580 or using the same currency

00:24:50.260 or even the same language.

00:24:54.780 And you see a...

00:24:55.720 It's kind of nice to think of it.

00:24:57.180 I was thinking that, you know,

00:24:58.500 that huge data center in Ogden, Utah, I believe,

00:25:01.780 where, you know,

00:25:02.580 they're just collecting every call you make.

00:25:05.900 They've got it there.

00:25:07.420 Every email you send.

00:25:08.600 But it's kind of fun to imagine

00:25:10.380 that at one point, you know,

00:25:12.720 no one even maintains this.

00:25:14.440 So it's this big, you know,

00:25:16.420 millions of terabytes of hard drive,

00:25:20.240 but no one maintains it.

00:25:21.980 It's collecting dust.

00:25:23.360 No one knows how to turn it on anymore.

00:25:26.340 The basement got flooded

00:25:27.840 and they lost half the data.

00:25:29.940 I kind of like this idea.

00:25:31.980 Actually, you're talking about dust,

00:25:35.340 but it's literally what happens.

00:25:38.120 You have to clean your house several times a day

00:25:43.960 to avoid it being, you know,

00:25:46.680 just to breathe,

00:25:47.920 but also to eat properly

00:25:49.720 and to keep, you know,

00:25:56.040 avoiding some infections.

00:25:57.960 You can have the dust

00:25:59.700 that's coming from the rotting crops.

00:26:03.160 And so obviously,

00:26:05.560 in such a situation,

00:26:06.820 you can't have a proper government.

00:26:10.680 Right.

00:26:11.240 In the way we think of it,

00:26:13.880 which is, you know,

00:26:14.880 you need efficient institutions

00:26:19.160 and infrastructures

00:26:20.360 and you can't have it.

00:26:21.660 So the fact that NASA

00:26:23.740 is just keeping a base,

00:26:25.980 you know,

00:26:26.700 in the middle of nowhere

00:26:27.620 is not really incredible.

00:26:29.880 It's the way it would happen

00:26:31.200 if, you know,

00:26:32.880 if the government collapsed.

00:26:36.020 And maybe that's going to happen

00:26:38.140 in the Silicon Valley.

00:26:39.800 If, you know,

00:26:40.500 if America is,

00:26:43.740 you know,

00:26:43.960 if America goes down,

00:26:45.620 there will be a kind of,

00:26:47.440 you know,

00:26:48.300 city-state

00:26:49.500 around the Silicon Valley

00:26:51.580 or something like that

00:26:52.700 and the rest of California

00:26:54.640 will become part of,

00:26:56.660 you know,

00:26:57.780 a larger,

00:26:58.680 a greater Mexico,

00:27:00.140 which means a third world country.

00:27:03.040 I mean,

00:27:04.780 today, of course,

00:27:05.860 it seems far-fetched,

00:27:07.500 but it might happen.

00:27:09.360 It's, you know,

00:27:10.560 we can't rule this scenario out.

00:27:14.200 That's certainly not.

00:27:15.000 So,

00:27:16.800 yeah,

00:27:17.540 I just wanted to mention that

00:27:19.500 though it is,

00:27:21.780 you know,

00:27:22.060 the beginning is apocalyptic,

00:27:24.060 there are also

00:27:24.880 maybe good

00:27:26.360 and from an alt-right point of view,

00:27:30.200 you know,

00:27:30.780 positive developments

00:27:32.820 because,

00:27:34.260 granted,

00:27:35.160 you don't have

00:27:36.500 institutions

00:27:37.640 and, you know,

00:27:38.780 infrastructures

00:27:39.500 that work well,

00:27:40.400 but people are more free

00:27:43.960 and it allows NASA

00:27:45.480 to try to save mankind,

00:27:47.360 which it couldn't

00:27:48.460 in the present situation

00:27:49.760 because

00:27:50.380 with the prevailing ideas,

00:27:54.680 now,

00:27:55.080 you couldn't have

00:27:55.940 scientists

00:27:57.080 freely using,

00:27:58.860 you know,

00:27:59.380 rockets

00:27:59.740 to save

00:28:01.920 a certain kind of people.

00:28:04.060 You couldn't have that.

00:28:05.000 No,

00:28:05.740 or risking their lives.

00:28:07.240 So,

00:28:07.620 in a way,

00:28:08.180 I like

00:28:08.860 Interstellar's world

00:28:10.260 better than

00:28:11.320 ours

00:28:12.920 because

00:28:15.220 at least

00:28:16.280 you can throw rockets

00:28:17.440 in the sky

00:28:18.080 and you don't have to,

00:28:19.640 you know,

00:28:19.960 justify that you

00:28:21.140 took all the quotas

00:28:23.260 so,

00:28:23.860 okay,

00:28:24.220 there's a black man 0.57

00:28:25.020 but

00:28:25.260 it's like

00:28:27.800 in Fight Club

00:28:28.460 you have

00:28:29.020 blacks and Asians

00:28:30.520 but 0.94

00:28:30.880 it don't really matter,

00:28:32.440 obviously.

00:28:32.760 and it's always 0.58

00:28:34.480 about white people

00:28:35.540 and

00:28:36.460 so

00:28:38.080 maybe

00:28:38.860 we need

00:28:39.640 this kind of,

00:28:40.700 you know,

00:28:41.900 collapse

00:28:42.340 to

00:28:42.960 be able

00:28:44.780 to throw

00:28:45.540 literally

00:28:47.000 or

00:28:47.560 symbolically

00:28:48.700 rockets

00:28:50.480 to the sky.

00:28:51.700 Yeah,

00:28:52.020 I agree.

00:28:52.480 It's

00:28:52.800 both apocalyptic

00:28:55.040 and it's also

00:28:55.960 a way out.

00:28:56.820 It's a fantasy.

00:28:57.580 I mean,

00:28:57.740 it's in the sense

00:28:58.880 I agree with you

00:29:00.040 that in the current

00:29:01.020 situation

00:29:01.640 we in a way

00:29:02.400 couldn't save

00:29:03.200 mankind.

00:29:04.520 No.

00:29:04.840 You know,

00:29:05.240 but

00:29:05.720 It would be forbidden

00:29:07.780 by law.

00:29:08.520 Yeah.

00:29:10.020 Really?

00:29:11.000 Yeah.

00:29:11.720 And also just that

00:29:12.780 we've become

00:29:13.220 such a soft society

00:29:14.800 that I,

00:29:15.360 the notion

00:29:16.140 that you would

00:29:16.740 truly risk

00:29:17.860 this much

00:29:18.780 and you would

00:29:19.240 send someone

00:29:20.020 on a mission

00:29:20.640 knowing

00:29:22.220 that in all

00:29:23.400 probability

00:29:24.060 he will

00:29:24.820 not return,

00:29:26.440 he will be

00:29:27.080 evaporated

00:29:28.480 by a black hole

00:29:29.560 or he'll

00:29:30.460 be launched

00:29:31.540 out into

00:29:31.940 another universe

00:29:32.560 with no chance

00:29:33.360 of coming back.

00:29:34.500 We just can't

00:29:35.460 do that.

00:29:36.400 And that was

00:29:37.220 There would be

00:29:37.960 opinion polls

00:29:38.960 that would

00:29:41.200 circulate

00:29:41.980 on Twitter

00:29:42.540 and TV

00:29:44.240 channels

00:29:44.920 and blogs

00:29:46.040 and Facebook

00:29:47.000 and people

00:29:48.760 would,

00:29:49.180 you would have

00:29:49.900 women crying

00:29:51.240 on TV

00:29:51.920 saying that

00:29:52.640 how dare you

00:29:53.940 leave your children

00:29:54.860 and your wife

00:29:55.760 and we would

00:29:57.260 really witness

00:29:58.200 that a little

00:29:59.660 like in a

00:30:00.260 British TV

00:30:01.440 series

00:30:01.980 which is

00:30:02.760 called

00:30:03.080 Black Mirror

00:30:03.720 and it's

00:30:05.460 just I'm

00:30:06.580 going to

00:30:07.380 do it

00:30:07.720 short.

00:30:09.440 So

00:30:09.720 the princess

00:30:12.760 of England

00:30:13.360 it's of course

00:30:14.980 it's a fiction

00:30:15.620 and the princess

00:30:16.860 of England

00:30:17.440 has been

00:30:18.800 kidnapped

00:30:19.320 by a terrorist

00:30:20.540 who asks

00:30:22.120 the British

00:30:23.080 prime minister 0.96

00:30:23.780 to sodomize 1.00

00:30:26.320 the pig 0.99

00:30:26.860 on TV 0.98

00:30:28.600 otherwise

00:30:30.100 he will 1.00

00:30:30.680 kill her 1.00

00:30:31.520 of course 1.00

00:30:32.120 and at first

00:30:33.960 there are opinion polls

00:30:35.440 and people

00:30:36.540 say that

00:30:37.600 Downing Street

00:30:39.780 shouldn't

00:30:40.500 negotiate

00:30:41.320 with terrorists

00:30:42.220 let alone

00:30:43.780 accede

00:30:45.440 to their demons

00:30:46.220 and then

00:30:48.240 with a few

00:30:49.700 hours of

00:30:50.440 tweeting

00:30:50.840 and Facebooking

00:30:52.020 and TV

00:30:52.820 and radio

00:30:54.120 and

00:30:55.380 other

00:30:56.500 information

00:30:57.260 there is

00:30:59.700 an opinion

00:31:00.160 shift

00:31:00.640 and

00:31:01.300 most

00:31:02.740 British

00:31:03.940 people

00:31:04.360 are

00:31:04.860 you know

00:31:05.760 in favor

00:31:06.360 of

00:31:06.880 the prime

00:31:09.140 minister 0.96

00:31:09.600 sodomizing 1.00

00:31:11.080 this pig 0.99

00:31:11.640 and 0.98

00:31:12.000 so

00:31:12.980 to get

00:31:13.520 back

00:31:13.740 to your

00:31:14.040 point

00:31:14.320 I'm

00:31:14.680 sure

00:31:14.980 today

00:31:15.580 if

00:31:16.720 the

00:31:17.460 mission

00:31:18.020 you know

00:31:19.100 the expedition's

00:31:20.240 mission

00:31:20.500 was to

00:31:21.220 send

00:31:22.940 pioneers 0.72

00:31:24.060 to death

00:31:24.840 and 0.98

00:31:25.260 with the

00:31:26.980 intention

00:31:27.380 to save

00:31:28.020 only a part

00:31:28.820 of mankind

00:31:29.260 of course

00:31:30.080 not only

00:31:31.260 would

00:31:31.640 politicians

00:31:33.180 and

00:31:33.860 you know

00:31:34.440 you know

00:31:37.980 the state

00:31:38.640 would be

00:31:39.400 against it

00:31:40.000 but

00:31:40.220 not only

00:31:40.860 journalists

00:31:41.540 but also

00:31:42.380 the opinion

00:31:42.920 I think

00:31:43.760 people

00:31:44.120 would

00:31:44.480 be

00:31:45.120 against

00:31:45.480 it

00:31:45.720 and

00:31:46.040 actually

00:31:46.840 prefer

00:31:47.600 you know

00:31:49.000 that

00:31:49.380 everybody

00:31:50.480 dies

00:31:51.240 instead of

00:31:52.340 trying to

00:31:52.940 save a part

00:31:53.520 of mankind

00:31:53.940 I'm sure

00:31:54.700 they might

00:31:55.620 literally do

00:31:56.340 that but

00:31:56.620 I think

00:31:57.100 psychologically

00:31:57.920 speaking

00:31:58.580 I think

00:31:58.920 it would

00:31:59.040 be slightly

00:31:59.520 different

00:31:59.860 I think

00:32:00.360 they would

00:32:00.700 never

00:32:01.200 face

00:32:03.080 the reality

00:32:03.860 that unless

00:32:04.940 we do

00:32:05.340 something

00:32:05.680 dramatic

00:32:06.280 we all

00:32:07.120 will die

00:32:07.740 I think

00:32:08.920 in a way

00:32:09.680 you know

00:32:09.960 Americans

00:32:10.420 aren't

00:32:10.940 really able

00:32:11.560 to face

00:32:12.000 the reality

00:32:12.620 that their

00:32:14.320 incomes

00:32:15.180 are declining

00:32:16.040 or that

00:32:16.640 we're not

00:32:17.680 going to be

00:32:17.980 able to pay

00:32:18.480 for all this

00:32:19.140 I mean

00:32:19.660 it's

00:32:20.220 I'm not

00:32:22.680 sure the world

00:32:23.540 is ready

00:32:24.180 for the notion

00:32:25.880 that the

00:32:26.880 current status

00:32:27.620 quo is

00:32:28.400 unsustainable

00:32:29.200 it has to

00:32:29.860 change

00:32:30.220 we might

00:32:30.620 need to do

00:32:31.220 something

00:32:31.520 dramatic

00:32:31.960 to get

00:32:32.340 out of it

00:32:32.800 I think

00:32:33.900 they would

00:32:34.280 even if

00:32:34.640 they were

00:32:34.820 living

00:32:35.300 inside a

00:32:35.900 dust bowl

00:32:36.720 they would

00:32:37.160 still be

00:32:37.600 talking

00:32:37.960 about

00:32:38.380 the

00:32:39.140 American

00:32:39.560 dream

00:32:40.040 and how

00:32:40.460 they're

00:32:40.660 going to

00:32:40.860 buy a

00:32:41.220 new

00:32:41.400 big

00:32:41.980 McMansion

00:32:42.880 somewhere

00:32:43.280 at some

00:32:43.600 point

00:32:43.800 humans

00:32:46.060 are really

00:32:46.960 we're

00:32:47.280 a rationalizing

00:32:48.680 creature

00:32:49.140 we're not

00:32:49.500 a rational

00:32:49.960 creature

00:32:50.360 and one

00:32:51.200 of the

00:32:51.660 more

00:32:52.300 powerful

00:32:52.980 things

00:32:53.960 that you

00:32:54.160 talk

00:32:54.460 about

00:32:54.820 is that

00:32:55.540 the rocket

00:32:56.800 on

00:32:57.420 or the

00:32:57.880 ship

00:32:58.200 spaceship

00:32:58.840 on

00:32:59.060 interstellar

00:32:59.680 that really

00:33:00.700 was a

00:33:01.520 Mayflower

00:33:02.060 or it

00:33:02.800 was a

00:33:03.400 Nina 0.82

00:33:04.100 Pinta

00:33:04.580 and Santa

00:33:05.100 Maria

00:33:05.480 it was

00:33:06.480 this

00:33:06.780 vessel

00:33:07.520 that

00:33:08.500 people

00:33:09.060 got

00:33:09.560 on

00:33:09.960 knowing

00:33:12.440 that

00:33:13.100 the

00:33:13.320 risk

00:33:13.940 were

00:33:14.700 very

00:33:15.860 high

00:33:16.360 and not

00:33:16.960 knowing

00:33:17.380 exactly

00:33:18.200 where

00:33:18.620 they

00:33:18.800 were

00:33:18.960 headed

00:33:19.360 but

00:33:20.200 just

00:33:20.540 going

00:33:21.420 I mean

00:33:21.760 it

00:33:22.020 really

00:33:22.480 is

00:33:22.960 like

00:33:23.380 for the

00:33:25.220 sake

00:33:25.440 of it

00:33:25.600 or like

00:33:26.100 a

00:33:26.380 pioneer

00:33:26.880 whether

00:33:27.340 in the

00:33:28.180 discovery

00:33:28.640 of

00:33:29.260 Siberia

00:33:30.800 or the

00:33:31.120 discovery

00:33:31.480 of the

00:33:31.680 new

00:33:31.800 world

00:33:32.280 Lois

00:33:33.060 and

00:33:33.220 Clark

00:33:33.480 these

00:33:34.480 people

00:33:34.940 who

00:33:35.220 set

00:33:35.700 off

00:33:36.100 on

00:33:36.380 journeys

00:33:36.780 not

00:33:37.320 fully

00:33:37.880 knowing

00:33:38.520 how

00:33:39.100 long

00:33:39.540 it

00:33:39.780 would

00:33:39.920 take

00:33:40.380 not

00:33:40.880 knowing

00:33:41.440 exactly

00:33:42.040 where

00:33:42.280 they

00:33:42.360 were

00:33:42.460 going

00:33:42.880 I mean

00:33:43.520 there

00:33:43.900 is

00:33:44.060 a

00:33:44.300 it's

00:33:45.720 now

00:33:46.380 that

00:33:46.580 we've

00:33:46.900 kind

00:33:47.120 of

00:33:47.200 seen

00:33:47.540 everything

00:33:47.960 and

00:33:48.280 we

00:33:48.660 travel

00:33:49.040 through

00:33:49.380 airplanes

00:33:50.020 and

00:33:50.280 airports

00:33:50.640 and

00:33:51.180 we

00:33:51.620 have

00:33:51.760 Google

00:33:52.080 Earth

00:33:52.520 looking

00:33:53.160 down

00:33:53.480 upon

00:33:53.740 us

00:33:53.920 we

00:33:54.620 forget

00:33:55.140 just

00:33:55.580 this

00:33:55.940 idea

00:33:56.780 of

00:33:57.060 the

00:33:57.220 real

00:33:57.820 frontier

00:33:58.500 of

00:33:59.060 not

00:33:59.520 knowing

00:34:00.360 where

00:34:00.580 the

00:34:00.740 end

00:34:01.160 is

00:34:01.540 and

00:34:02.740 I

00:34:04.540 think

00:34:04.880 it's

00:34:05.300 maybe

00:34:05.640 we

00:34:06.960 can

00:34:07.120 maybe

00:34:07.440 mythologize

00:34:09.480 Christopher

00:34:09.860 Columbus

00:34:10.300 as

00:34:10.660 he took

00:34:11.880 off

00:34:12.120 into

00:34:12.280 the

00:34:12.420 unknown

00:34:12.700 but

00:34:12.940 he

00:34:13.420 did

00:34:13.780 and

00:34:14.440 I

00:34:15.620 think

00:34:15.980 that's

00:34:16.280 something

00:34:16.740 that

00:34:17.320 we

00:34:18.660 in

00:34:18.960 this

00:34:19.260 feminized

00:34:20.260 society

00:34:20.760 this

00:34:21.000 society

00:34:21.320 that wants

00:34:21.580 to be

00:34:21.840 safe

00:34:22.400 that values

00:34:22.920 security

00:34:23.700 above

00:34:24.160 all

00:34:24.580 I

00:34:25.540 think

00:34:25.900 we've

00:34:26.120 really

00:34:26.360 lost

00:34:26.960 that

00:34:27.320 and

00:34:27.840 you

00:34:28.720 know

00:34:28.860 maybe

00:34:29.180 we

00:34:29.400 do

00:34:29.560 need

00:34:29.840 some

00:34:30.100 kind

00:34:30.360 of

00:34:30.480 collapse

00:34:30.960 of

00:34:31.120 this

00:34:31.280 world

00:34:31.660 so

00:34:32.040 that

00:34:32.220 some

00:34:32.780 people

00:34:33.280 will

00:34:33.540 be

00:34:33.660 able

00:34:33.840 to

00:34:34.240 explore

00:34:35.560 and

00:34:36.640 not

00:34:37.060 even

00:34:37.300 just

00:34:37.540 to

00:34:37.720 save

00:34:38.000 it

00:34:38.200 just

00:34:38.440 to

00:34:38.740 for

00:34:39.580 the

00:34:39.700 fact

00:34:40.020 that

00:34:40.380 you

00:34:41.040 know

00:34:41.120 we

00:34:41.300 need

00:34:41.760 to

00:34:42.100 that

00:34:42.440 that's

00:34:42.780 part

00:34:43.420 of

00:34:43.680 our

00:34:44.060 soul

00:34:44.700 is

00:34:45.120 this

00:34:45.540 Faustian

00:34:46.780 quest

00:34:47.360 to

00:34:48.740 reach

00:34:49.420 the

00:34:49.640 beyond

00:34:50.160 and

00:34:50.920 to 1.00

00:34:51.200 die

00:34:51.660 doing 0.59

00:34:52.060 it

00:34:52.700 as

00:34:52.900 well

00:34:53.060 and

00:34:53.100 you

00:34:53.160 know

00:34:53.500 Columbus

00:34:55.760 you

00:34:57.240 know

00:34:57.400 all

00:34:57.680 these

00:34:57.960 expeditions

00:34:58.920 by

00:35:01.160 Portuguese

00:35:02.460 and

00:35:03.020 Spanish

00:35:03.680 and

00:35:03.900 Italian

00:35:04.260 he

00:35:04.740 wasn't

00:35:05.200 Spanish

00:35:05.600 but

00:35:05.840 he

00:35:06.060 was

00:35:06.320 working

00:35:06.760 for

00:35:07.140 the

00:35:07.320 Spanish

00:35:07.880 crown

00:35:08.300 you

00:35:11.380 know

00:35:11.620 it

00:35:12.000 was

00:35:12.300 a

00:35:12.600 consequence

00:35:13.020 of

00:35:13.380 something

00:35:13.740 really

00:35:14.100 bad

00:35:14.400 that

00:35:14.580 happened

00:35:14.940 to

00:35:15.220 the

00:35:15.420 European

00:35:15.740 world

00:35:16.200 which

00:35:16.440 was

00:35:16.880 the

00:35:17.520 fall

00:35:17.820 of

00:35:18.040 Byzantium

00:35:18.760 because

00:35:20.400 as

00:35:22.040 long

00:35:22.440 as

00:35:22.640 there

00:35:22.820 was

00:35:23.020 of

00:35:23.320 course

00:35:23.560 Byzantium

00:35:24.160 wasn't

00:35:24.840 really

00:35:26.120 a

00:35:27.200 friend

00:35:27.560 of

00:35:27.720 the

00:35:27.860 western

00:35:28.140 world

00:35:28.460 and

00:35:28.660 it

00:35:29.000 was

00:35:29.320 largely

00:35:29.960 the

00:35:30.680 western

00:35:31.000 world's

00:35:31.440 fault

00:35:31.700 because

00:35:32.180 in

00:35:32.520 the

00:35:32.780 13th

00:35:34.120 century

00:35:34.640 actually

00:35:36.760 Byzantium

00:35:37.340 was

00:35:37.600 sacked

00:35:37.960 by the

00:35:38.580 crusaders

00:35:39.200 and

00:35:40.620 but

00:35:41.660 as

00:35:42.680 long

00:35:43.000 as

00:35:43.360 the

00:35:45.040 Byzantine

00:35:45.540 empire

00:35:45.960 stood

00:35:46.500 you

00:35:47.120 could

00:35:47.440 have

00:35:47.840 you

00:35:49.660 know

00:35:49.880 they

00:35:50.200 could

00:35:50.580 actually

00:35:52.660 be a

00:35:53.120 kind

00:35:53.380 of

00:35:53.560 intermediary

00:35:54.540 between

00:35:55.060 India

00:35:55.760 and

00:35:56.060 China

00:35:56.400 and

00:35:56.780 the

00:35:57.380 western

00:35:57.660 world

00:35:58.060 for

00:35:58.340 spices

00:35:58.820 and

00:35:59.240 other

00:36:00.380 things

00:36:00.860 and

00:36:01.360 then

00:36:01.720 when

00:36:02.180 the

00:36:02.480 Turks 0.99

00:36:02.840 took

00:36:03.180 it

00:36:03.440 what

00:36:04.780 it

00:36:04.980 meant

00:36:05.300 was

00:36:05.560 that

00:36:05.740 the

00:36:05.960 road

00:36:06.300 was

00:36:06.680 blocked

00:36:07.160 and

00:36:07.460 we

00:36:07.740 had

00:36:08.280 to

00:36:08.620 so

00:36:09.220 the

00:36:09.440 first

00:36:09.820 routes

00:36:10.720 that

00:36:11.320 were

00:36:11.600 taken

00:36:12.140 were

00:36:12.520 to

00:36:13.800 actually

00:36:15.780 sail

00:36:16.820 around

00:36:17.220 Africa

00:36:17.700 which

00:36:18.000 was

00:36:18.240 very

00:36:18.580 long

00:36:18.960 and

00:36:19.820 very

00:36:20.120 dangerous

00:36:20.560 because

00:36:21.120 when

00:36:21.400 you

00:36:21.580 had

00:36:21.800 to

00:36:22.920 go

00:36:23.840 take

00:36:24.160 water

00:36:24.600 on

00:36:24.820 the

00:36:24.980 coast

00:36:25.300 you

00:36:25.900 could 0.56

00:36:26.660 die

00:36:27.060 so

00:36:27.780 it

00:36:28.160 was

00:36:28.480 a

00:36:29.020 really

00:36:29.220 problematic

00:36:31.600 route

00:36:32.200 to go

00:36:32.580 to

00:36:32.740 India

00:36:33.000 and

00:36:33.280 then

00:36:33.580 Columbus

00:36:34.740 decided

00:36:35.940 to go

00:36:36.380 west

00:36:36.740 which

00:36:37.480 is

00:36:37.940 important

00:36:38.840 for

00:36:39.160 us

00:36:39.340 but

00:36:40.080 so

00:36:40.820 from

00:36:41.880 a bad

00:36:42.300 thing

00:36:42.560 a really

00:36:42.980 bad

00:36:43.280 thing

00:36:43.480 the

00:36:43.740 fall

00:36:44.240 of

00:36:44.420 Byzantium

00:36:44.960 actually

00:36:46.820 as a

00:36:47.420 western

00:36:47.700 world

00:36:48.200 managed

00:36:49.520 to

00:36:49.980 achieve

00:36:50.780 its

00:36:51.180 greatest

00:36:51.520 success

00:36:52.140 so far

00:36:53.060 and

00:36:54.260 it's

00:36:55.600 also

00:36:55.960 what

00:36:56.260 the

00:36:57.400 reason

00:36:57.720 why

00:36:57.980 I

00:36:58.160 mentioned

00:36:58.540 Columbus

00:36:59.160 and

00:36:59.540 Mayflower

00:37:00.100 is

00:37:01.020 because

00:37:01.560 in

00:37:02.100 interstellar

00:37:02.840 okay

00:37:03.500 the

00:37:04.180 world

00:37:04.580 is

00:37:04.780 dying

00:37:05.160 and 0.57

00:37:06.180 I'm

00:37:07.780 not

00:37:07.960 taking

00:37:08.300 it

00:37:08.560 lightly

00:37:09.020 but

00:37:09.460 I

00:37:10.540 wouldn't

00:37:10.900 like

00:37:11.420 you

00:37:12.240 know

00:37:12.480 if

00:37:13.140 someone

00:37:13.700 I

00:37:14.040 care

00:37:14.900 about

00:37:15.360 suffers

00:37:16.600 the

00:37:16.920 same

00:37:17.400 you

00:37:18.440 know

00:37:18.580 fate

00:37:19.020 and

00:37:19.420 Cooper's

00:37:20.860 wife

00:37:21.240 but

00:37:22.740 from

00:37:23.540 this

00:37:23.820 disaster

00:37:24.520 they

00:37:25.220 are

00:37:25.340 going

00:37:25.600 to

00:37:25.840 do

00:37:25.980 something

00:37:26.280 they

00:37:26.500 would

00:37:26.720 never

00:37:27.540 have

00:37:27.820 done

00:37:28.100 otherwise

00:37:28.900 and

00:37:29.780 so

00:37:30.120 the

00:37:30.920 earth

00:37:31.080 is

00:37:31.260 dying

00:37:31.540 that's

00:37:31.860 why

00:37:32.060 they

00:37:32.260 are

00:37:32.400 going

00:37:32.640 to

00:37:33.140 accomplish

00:37:33.920 the

00:37:34.340 greatest

00:37:34.720 progress

00:37:35.300 in

00:37:35.760 human

00:37:36.380 history

00:37:36.780 and

00:37:37.100 if

00:37:38.140 you

00:37:38.260 take

00:37:38.680 smaller

00:37:39.420 things

00:37:39.940 like

00:37:40.420 for

00:37:41.520 example

00:37:41.860 the

00:37:44.840 war

00:37:45.320 in

00:37:45.560 England

00:37:46.000 led

00:37:46.880 many

00:37:47.520 people

00:37:47.960 to

00:37:48.400 escape

00:37:49.440 it

00:37:49.680 and

00:37:49.880 then

00:37:50.180 to

00:37:50.880 found

00:37:53.500 other

00:37:54.120 colonies

00:37:54.580 in

00:37:54.780 America

00:37:55.140 and

00:37:55.500 so

00:37:57.440 there

00:37:57.680 was

00:37:57.920 the

00:37:58.120 Mediterranean

00:37:58.620 which

00:37:59.320 was

00:37:59.720 a

00:38:00.160 Muslim

00:38:00.460 sea

00:38:00.860 which

00:38:01.880 obliged

00:38:02.520 Europeans

00:38:03.220 to

00:38:03.700 look

00:38:04.160 to

00:38:04.480 the

00:38:04.640 Atlantic

00:38:05.020 etc

00:38:06.140 you

00:38:06.560 have

00:38:07.060 disasters

00:38:07.800 and

00:38:08.340 out

00:38:08.840 of

00:38:09.000 these

00:38:09.180 disasters

00:38:09.680 we

00:38:10.040 are

00:38:10.160 doing

00:38:10.460 something

00:38:11.740 but

00:38:12.060 you know

00:38:12.680 another

00:38:13.340 case

00:38:13.880 is that

00:38:14.600 as a

00:38:16.100 spread

00:38:16.400 of

00:38:16.580 Islam

00:38:16.960 in

00:38:17.640 Europe

00:38:18.080 but

00:38:18.620 the

00:38:18.940 first

00:38:19.260 spread

00:38:19.740 so

00:38:20.120 in

00:38:20.340 the

00:38:20.640 7th

00:38:24.540 and

00:38:24.720 8th

00:38:25.240 centuries

00:38:25.960 it

00:38:27.560 prompted

00:38:28.220 people

00:38:29.800 from

00:38:30.140 Northern

00:38:30.560 Europe

00:38:31.040 to

00:38:31.900 go

00:38:32.140 south

00:38:32.560 and

00:38:32.800 crush 1.00

00:38:33.160 them 0.99

00:38:33.480 and

00:38:35.020 then

00:38:35.340 to

00:38:35.640 regenerate

00:38:36.500 Europe

00:38:36.880 and

00:38:37.440 Vikings

00:38:37.860 created

00:38:38.440 kingdoms

00:38:39.140 in

00:38:40.040 Sicily

00:38:40.680 as

00:38:41.880 they

00:38:42.020 took

00:38:42.220 parts

00:38:42.580 of

00:38:42.720 Spain

00:38:43.200 they

00:38:43.700 took

00:38:44.600 parts

00:38:44.900 of

00:38:45.080 France

00:38:45.500 and

00:38:46.220 so

00:38:46.440 again

00:38:46.960 at

00:38:47.480 first

00:38:47.820 there

00:38:48.320 was

00:38:48.520 something

00:38:48.820 bad

00:38:49.160 and

00:38:49.540 something

00:38:50.400 good

00:38:50.780 came

00:38:51.060 out

00:38:51.300 of

00:38:51.460 it

00:38:51.700 and

00:38:52.180 it

00:38:52.500 would

00:38:52.660 never

00:38:52.920 have

00:38:53.240 happened

00:38:53.680 without

00:38:54.460 this

00:38:54.800 kind

00:38:55.080 of

00:38:55.340 you

00:38:55.960 know

00:38:56.200 dialectic

00:38:58.720 challenge

00:38:59.300 again

00:38:59.700 so

00:39:01.060 in

00:39:01.620 interstellar

00:39:02.240 it's

00:39:02.740 in a way

00:39:03.580 it's

00:39:04.040 a similar

00:39:04.680 situation

00:39:05.320 I

00:39:06.840 agree

00:39:07.440 I

00:39:07.860 think

00:39:08.400 something

00:39:09.360 is going

00:39:10.480 to have 0.99

00:39:10.820 to die

00:39:11.440 for something

00:39:12.080 new

00:39:12.460 to be

00:39:12.820 born

00:39:13.180 and

00:39:14.400 you

00:39:14.760 know

00:39:14.860 in

00:39:15.020 our

00:39:15.280 we

00:39:16.100 I

00:39:16.720 think

00:39:16.920 we

00:39:17.080 even

00:39:17.360 know

00:39:17.900 this

00:39:18.400 deep

00:39:19.260 down

00:39:19.700 but

00:39:20.980 I

00:39:21.180 think

00:39:21.500 we

00:39:21.620 also

00:39:21.980 have

00:39:22.200 this

00:39:22.340 very

00:39:22.540 strong

00:39:23.060 human

00:39:23.460 tendency

00:39:23.960 which

00:39:24.300 is

00:39:24.540 totally

00:39:25.060 natural

00:39:25.640 which

00:39:27.180 is

00:39:27.320 twofold

00:39:27.820 and

00:39:28.020 one

00:39:28.400 of

00:39:28.560 those

00:39:28.860 is

00:39:29.300 this

00:39:30.040 quest

00:39:30.560 for

00:39:30.820 security

00:39:31.420 security

00:39:32.620 above

00:39:33.100 all

00:39:33.540 else

00:39:33.960 and

00:39:34.420 I

00:39:34.620 think

00:39:34.980 that

00:39:35.220 is

00:39:35.540 the

00:39:36.580 ultimate

00:39:37.020 ideal

00:39:37.560 of

00:39:37.820 the

00:39:37.960 last

00:39:38.260 man

00:39:38.620 that

00:39:39.560 is

00:39:39.720 the

00:39:39.900 ultimate

00:39:40.220 ideal

00:39:40.700 comfort

00:39:41.160 and

00:39:41.360 security

00:39:41.720 is

00:39:41.880 the

00:39:41.980 ultimate

00:39:42.520 ideal

00:39:42.800 of

00:39:43.800 the

00:39:43.960 post-war

00:39:44.380 West

00:39:44.580 and

00:39:45.400 it's

00:39:46.020 fine

00:39:46.420 I

00:39:46.580 benefit

00:39:49.240 from

00:39:49.720 we

00:39:49.900 all

00:39:50.100 benefit

00:39:50.520 from

00:39:50.820 it

00:39:50.960 but

00:39:51.280 it

00:39:51.460 has

00:39:51.640 to

00:39:51.760 be

00:39:51.940 checked

00:39:52.340 by

00:39:52.940 something

00:39:53.220 exactly

00:39:53.660 and

00:39:54.740 and

00:39:55.100 reversely

00:39:56.180 you

00:39:56.960 can't

00:39:57.740 you

00:39:58.740 know

00:39:58.940 it's

00:39:59.560 because

00:40:01.260 there

00:40:02.080 were

00:40:02.340 good

00:40:03.080 articles

00:40:03.720 or

00:40:05.420 even

00:40:06.020 books

00:40:06.600 written

00:40:07.500 about

00:40:07.780 that

00:40:08.020 but

00:40:08.340 you

00:40:09.260 know

00:40:09.520 the

00:40:10.520 French

00:40:10.840 historian

00:40:11.260 would

00:40:11.560 committed 0.71

00:40:12.200 suicide

00:40:12.620 last

00:40:13.080 year

00:40:13.840 Dominic

00:40:14.280 Wener

00:40:14.560 said

00:40:16.280 that

00:40:16.580 the

00:40:16.820 Faustian

00:40:17.380 spirit

00:40:17.900 of

00:40:18.500 Europe

00:40:18.820 should

00:40:19.100 be

00:40:19.300 checked

00:40:19.620 by

00:40:20.040 the

00:40:21.600 Apollonian

00:40:22.080 part

00:40:22.920 of

00:40:23.060 it

00:40:23.280 but

00:40:24.740 it

00:40:25.120 works

00:40:25.440 both

00:40:25.740 ways

00:40:26.020 actually

00:40:26.400 and

00:40:27.100 the

00:40:28.260 only

00:40:28.520 thing

00:40:28.800 I

00:40:28.980 don't

00:40:29.380 agree

00:40:29.700 about

00:40:30.000 him

00:40:30.200 but

00:40:30.500 again

00:40:31.520 I

00:40:31.780 think

00:40:32.000 it's

00:40:32.260 a

00:40:32.420 question

00:40:32.680 of

00:40:32.880 generations

00:40:33.420 is

00:40:34.360 that

00:40:34.620 I

00:40:35.640 really

00:40:36.240 don't

00:40:36.500 have

00:40:36.680 the

00:40:36.840 feeling

00:40:37.100 that

00:40:37.320 we

00:40:37.480 are

00:40:37.600 living

00:40:37.860 in

00:40:38.020 a

00:40:38.140 Faustian

00:40:38.500 world

00:40:38.780 today

00:40:39.200 and

00:40:39.780 I

00:40:40.300 wouldn't

00:40:40.680 like

00:40:41.040 to live

00:40:41.420 in a

00:40:41.680 purely

00:40:41.960 Faustian

00:40:42.480 world

00:40:42.720 because

00:40:43.120 it would

00:40:44.460 mean

00:40:45.440 not caring

00:40:49.680 about people

00:40:50.280 who die

00:40:50.760 in front

00:40:51.160 of you

00:40:51.560 or

00:40:51.880 things

00:40:52.760 we don't

00:40:53.540 really

00:40:54.120 like

00:40:55.240 having

00:40:55.740 having

00:40:55.760 no

00:40:56.000 sense

00:40:56.420 of

00:40:56.600 home

00:40:57.020 as

00:40:57.560 well

00:40:57.720 and

00:40:58.000 as

00:40:58.900 well

00:40:59.140 yeah

00:40:59.420 and

00:41:00.260 family

00:41:00.920 and so

00:41:02.500 I

00:41:02.760 wouldn't

00:41:03.220 like

00:41:03.580 to live

00:41:04.060 in such

00:41:04.580 a world

00:41:04.940 but

00:41:05.240 our

00:41:06.220 world

00:41:06.520 is

00:41:06.880 totally

00:41:07.480 anti-faustian

00:41:08.360 anti-tragic

00:41:09.340 and

00:41:09.880 you know

00:41:11.060 when

00:41:11.480 children

00:41:12.280 go

00:41:12.940 to the

00:41:14.760 swimming

00:41:15.080 pool

00:41:15.480 with

00:41:16.020 their

00:41:16.200 schools

00:41:16.780 they

00:41:17.140 have

00:41:17.340 to

00:41:17.680 you know

00:41:19.100 undergo

00:41:20.360 a lot

00:41:21.180 of security

00:41:21.960 rules

00:41:22.620 and learn 1.00

00:41:23.300 stupid 1.00

00:41:24.000 you know 1.00

00:41:25.060 survival

00:41:25.640 techniques

00:41:26.280 I'm not

00:41:26.880 kidding

00:41:27.120 it's

00:41:27.460 really

00:41:27.780 what I

00:41:28.260 had

00:41:28.540 in

00:41:28.840 the

00:41:29.360 late

00:41:30.660 80s

00:41:31.280 and

00:41:31.500 early

00:41:31.940 90s

00:41:32.680 and

00:41:33.680 it's

00:41:33.920 even

00:41:34.140 worse

00:41:34.560 now

00:41:34.860 when

00:41:35.180 you know

00:41:35.920 children

00:41:36.820 are going

00:41:38.460 to

00:41:38.940 you know

00:41:39.460 visit

00:41:40.400 a place

00:41:41.040 with their

00:41:41.440 school

00:41:41.940 there has

00:41:43.120 to be

00:41:43.580 one

00:41:45.600 adult

00:41:46.160 per

00:41:46.620 a few

00:41:47.820 children

00:41:48.380 because

00:41:49.060 you know

00:41:49.700 once

00:41:50.300 there was

00:41:50.860 one

00:41:51.260 which

00:41:52.000 was

00:41:52.360 you know

00:41:53.920 who died

00:41:56.140 because of

00:41:57.000 a truck

00:41:57.520 and

00:41:58.340 you know

00:41:59.040 it's

00:41:59.520 it's a

00:42:00.240 world

00:42:00.540 that is

00:42:01.200 governed

00:42:02.360 by

00:42:02.820 not

00:42:04.120 directly

00:42:05.120 by

00:42:05.400 women 1.00

00:42:05.740 but

00:42:06.080 by

00:42:06.580 you know

00:42:07.520 feminine

00:42:07.920 impulses

00:42:08.500 which are

00:42:09.040 healthy

00:42:09.680 but

00:42:10.040 if they

00:42:11.380 are not

00:42:11.660 checked

00:42:12.060 it's just

00:42:12.900 you know

00:42:14.860 making us

00:42:15.820 boring

00:42:17.080 fat 0.63

00:42:17.720 emasculated

00:42:18.780 and

00:42:19.300 actually

00:42:20.340 not really

00:42:21.480 human

00:42:21.900 yeah

00:42:22.400 and so

00:42:24.000 at

00:42:25.360 at least

00:42:26.080 in

00:42:26.360 interstellar

00:42:27.040 you

00:42:27.320 this

00:42:28.140 aspect

00:42:28.620 is

00:42:28.940 really

00:42:29.300 receding

00:42:29.900 you

00:42:30.140 don't

00:42:30.560 see

00:42:30.760 much

00:42:31.040 feminism

00:42:31.580 except

00:42:32.860 in

00:42:33.240 Nolan's

00:42:33.720 plot

00:42:33.960 maybe

00:42:34.280 but

00:42:34.580 that's

00:42:34.980 another

00:42:35.300 debate

00:42:36.040 oh I

00:42:37.520 know

00:42:37.780 I mean

00:42:38.040 this is

00:42:38.660 this is

00:42:39.200 another

00:42:39.400 thing

00:42:39.700 I

00:42:39.860 that

00:42:40.880 we

00:42:41.280 we

00:42:41.660 mentioned

00:42:42.080 is that

00:42:42.600 you know

00:42:42.880 Nolan has 0.97

00:42:43.420 often been

00:42:43.880 criticized

00:42:44.200 for this

00:42:44.740 lack

00:42:46.000 of

00:42:46.540 romance

00:42:48.160 or eroticism

00:42:49.300 or heart

00:42:50.220 or soul

00:42:51.520 to his

00:42:51.840 movies

00:42:52.160 his movies

00:42:52.580 are very

00:42:52.900 cold

00:42:53.380 and

00:42:53.840 there's

00:42:54.460 really

00:42:54.700 no

00:42:55.200 love

00:42:56.100 in his

00:42:57.300 films

00:42:57.940 you know

00:42:58.760 I mean

00:42:59.080 there's

00:42:59.340 certainly

00:42:59.660 no love

00:43:00.340 in

00:43:00.520 Memento

00:43:01.300 the

00:43:01.980 Batman

00:43:02.580 films

00:43:03.120 Batman

00:43:04.060 really

00:43:04.480 doesn't

00:43:05.020 I mean

00:43:05.260 I guess

00:43:05.760 maybe

00:43:06.180 Catwoman

00:43:06.920 they

00:43:07.460 seem to

00:43:08.580 be attracted

00:43:09.240 to one

00:43:09.580 another

00:43:09.820 Batman

00:43:10.840 sleeps

00:43:11.440 with

00:43:11.700 Talia

00:43:12.200 who's

00:43:13.020 using

00:43:13.340 him

00:43:13.660 and

00:43:14.400 even

00:43:15.040 the

00:43:16.000 eroticism

00:43:17.420 there

00:43:17.700 is not

00:43:18.000 much

00:43:18.200 of

00:43:18.320 anything

00:43:18.580 it's

00:43:18.960 just

00:43:19.080 it's

00:43:19.460 a very

00:43:19.980 interesting

00:43:20.460 thing

00:43:20.980 interstellar

00:43:22.400 excuse me

00:43:23.100 inception

00:43:23.800 I don't even

00:43:24.320 know

00:43:24.560 what

00:43:24.780 love interest

00:43:26.280 he wants

00:43:26.920 to get

00:43:27.160 home to

00:43:27.440 his

00:43:27.560 children

00:43:27.900 but you

00:43:28.300 never

00:43:28.640 meet

00:43:28.920 them

00:43:29.160 so

00:43:30.480 it's

00:43:30.940 you know

00:43:31.300 we don't

00:43:31.840 know

00:43:32.100 yeah

00:43:32.480 we don't

00:43:32.820 know

00:43:32.940 but

00:43:33.060 I

00:43:33.220 interstellar

00:43:34.300 obviously

00:43:34.560 had a

00:43:34.920 lot

00:43:35.260 more

00:43:35.540 emotion

00:43:35.920 but

00:43:36.120 I

00:43:36.280 could

00:43:36.620 just

00:43:36.940 to

00:43:37.080 go

00:43:37.180 back

00:43:37.340 to

00:43:37.420 what

00:43:37.500 you

00:43:37.540 were

00:43:37.600 saying

00:43:37.760 before

00:43:38.040 it

00:43:38.440 is

00:43:38.600 a

00:43:38.760 non

00:43:39.200 feminist

00:43:39.660 movie

00:43:40.120 I

00:43:40.300 Jessica

00:43:41.700 Murph

00:43:43.080 played

00:43:43.620 by

00:43:43.960 Jessica

00:43:44.540 Chaston

00:43:45.620 she's

00:43:46.760 really

00:43:47.320 a man

00:43:49.560 I mean

00:43:50.260 she

00:43:50.600 or

00:43:51.180 you know

00:43:51.540 and I

00:43:51.840 don't

00:43:52.000 mean that

00:43:52.300 to say

00:43:52.540 that

00:43:52.700 she

00:43:53.600 definitely

00:43:54.020 has a

00:43:54.360 man's

00:43:54.800 soul

00:43:55.080 she's

00:43:55.840 fascinated

00:43:56.380 by

00:43:56.580 mathematics

00:43:57.440 exploration

00:43:58.220 she

00:43:58.800 challenges

00:43:59.360 people

00:43:59.860 she

00:44:00.160 you know

00:44:00.680 she

00:44:00.920 really

00:44:02.020 is

00:44:02.200 a

00:44:02.480 you know

00:44:03.960 she's

00:44:04.280 Cooper

00:44:04.680 reincarnated

00:44:06.180 and

00:44:07.160 you know

00:44:08.720 but

00:44:08.860 anyway

00:44:09.940 I think

00:44:10.540 this is

00:44:11.060 you know

00:44:11.500 this is

00:44:11.840 an

00:44:12.000 interesting

00:44:12.340 thing

00:44:12.780 that

00:44:13.040 we

00:44:13.460 you know

00:44:13.680 we live

00:44:14.080 in a

00:44:14.380 we live

00:44:14.760 in a

00:44:14.960 feminized

00:44:15.440 world

00:44:15.820 but

00:44:16.140 you know

00:44:16.720 maybe

00:44:16.960 this

00:44:17.300 this

00:44:17.580 does

00:44:17.900 have

00:44:18.220 to

00:44:18.380 give

00:44:18.620 way

00:44:18.940 a

00:44:19.140 little

00:44:19.280 bit

00:44:19.560 so

00:44:19.780 that

00:44:19.980 some

00:44:20.160 of

00:44:20.260 these

00:44:20.420 masculine

00:44:21.700 perspectives

00:44:22.300 can

00:44:22.620 begin

00:44:22.820 to

00:44:22.980 predominate

00:44:23.560 again

00:44:23.900 like

00:44:24.900 exploration

00:44:25.340 it's

00:44:27.300 happening

00:44:27.660 maybe

00:44:28.060 slower

00:44:28.700 than

00:44:29.140 we

00:44:29.620 would

00:44:29.800 like

00:44:30.140 but

00:44:30.420 feminism

00:44:31.660 is

00:44:32.140 really

00:44:32.540 in

00:44:32.800 crisis

00:44:33.160 today

00:44:33.660 and

00:44:34.060 as

00:44:34.860 famous

00:44:35.420 video

00:44:36.220 of

00:44:36.640 this

00:44:38.100 Jewish

00:44:39.500 woman 0.99

00:44:39.980 walking

00:44:40.600 showing 1.00

00:44:41.980 her boobs 1.00

00:44:42.760 in 1.00

00:44:43.520 Manhattan

00:44:43.960 and

00:44:44.400 you know

00:44:45.080 being

00:44:45.480 you know

00:44:46.320 complimented 0.93

00:44:49.100 by black 0.95

00:44:49.700 guys

00:44:50.260 you know

00:44:51.280 it's

00:44:52.100 the rainbow

00:44:54.620 coalition

00:44:55.120 is really

00:44:55.640 collapsing

00:44:56.060 and

00:44:56.560 it is

00:44:57.920 happening

00:44:58.220 now

00:44:58.560 and

00:44:58.820 it

00:44:59.140 will

00:44:59.300 take

00:44:59.580 time

00:44:59.940 but

00:45:00.280 and

00:45:02.420 feminism

00:45:02.780 as we

00:45:03.420 know

00:45:03.620 it

00:45:03.720 and

00:45:03.860 I

00:45:04.000 don't

00:45:04.400 mean

00:45:04.680 certainly

00:45:05.120 I

00:45:05.300 certainly

00:45:05.640 don't

00:45:05.880 mean

00:45:06.060 femininity

00:45:06.780 or

00:45:07.320 womanliness

00:45:08.940 or something

00:45:09.480 like that

00:45:09.860 but

00:45:10.000 feminism

00:45:10.500 as an

00:45:11.020 ideology

00:45:11.580 is

00:45:12.340 without

00:45:12.860 question

00:45:13.800 an

00:45:14.100 ideology

00:45:14.620 of

00:45:15.280 abundance

00:45:15.840 and

00:45:16.380 security

00:45:16.920 it's

00:45:17.700 an

00:45:17.840 ideology

00:45:18.280 for

00:45:18.580 rich

00:45:18.820 people

00:45:19.160 and

00:45:20.400 you know

00:45:21.380 it

00:45:21.760 this

00:45:23.160 too

00:45:23.540 shall

00:45:23.820 pass

00:45:24.340 we

00:45:25.420 just

00:45:26.080 kind of

00:45:26.980 need

00:45:27.100 to

00:45:27.220 get

00:45:27.380 it

00:45:27.520 over

00:45:27.800 with

00:45:28.180 and

00:45:29.300 all

00:45:29.580 of

00:45:29.740 the

00:45:29.980 human

00:45:31.120 resource

00:45:31.680 managers

00:45:32.140 that

00:45:32.500 run

00:45:32.960 the

00:45:33.120 world

00:45:33.360 are

00:45:33.520 going

00:45:33.620 to

00:45:33.640 have

00:45:33.780 to

00:45:33.900 find

00:45:34.120 something

00:45:34.420 else

00:45:34.680 but

00:45:34.860 yeah

00:45:35.540 I

00:45:35.700 mean

00:45:35.820 let's

00:45:36.140 start

00:45:38.440 pushing

00:45:39.040 on this

00:45:39.720 Faustian

00:45:40.520 nature

00:45:40.880 there are

00:45:41.620 a couple

00:45:41.840 more

00:45:42.100 themes

00:45:42.420 I want

00:45:42.660 to

00:45:42.740 get

00:45:42.880 to

00:45:43.020 before

00:45:43.300 we

00:45:43.560 end

00:45:44.960 this

00:45:45.220 podcast

00:45:45.700 but

00:45:46.020 let's

00:45:47.900 kind

00:45:49.380 of put

00:45:49.740 pressure

00:45:50.320 on

00:45:50.660 this

00:45:51.040 talk

00:45:52.760 a little

00:45:53.100 bit

00:45:53.500 about

00:45:53.880 maybe

00:45:54.180 how

00:45:54.580 the

00:45:55.500 Faustian

00:45:56.340 nature

00:45:56.840 and

00:45:57.120 interstellar

00:45:57.860 you know

00:45:58.800 how

00:45:59.400 in a

00:45:59.980 way

00:46:00.120 it's

00:46:00.260 a

00:46:00.400 challenge

00:46:00.800 to

00:46:01.140 traditionalism

00:46:01.920 it's

00:46:02.140 not

00:46:02.300 just

00:46:02.480 a

00:46:02.620 challenge

00:46:02.940 to

00:46:03.180 a

00:46:03.880 feminized

00:46:04.320 society

00:46:04.860 but

00:46:05.580 it's

00:46:06.060 even

00:46:06.540 a

00:46:06.760 challenge

00:46:07.180 to

00:46:07.640 tradition

00:46:08.720 or

00:46:09.340 what

00:46:09.880 you

00:46:10.000 called

00:46:10.240 identitarianism

00:46:11.240 why don't

00:46:12.160 you talk

00:46:12.480 a little

00:46:12.700 bit

00:46:12.840 about

00:46:13.040 this

00:46:13.280 and

00:46:13.380 then

00:46:13.500 we'll

00:46:13.720 kind

00:46:14.040 of

00:46:14.160 riff

00:46:14.420 off

00:46:14.600 that

00:46:14.780 idea

00:46:15.080 yeah

00:46:16.040 so

00:46:16.340 that

00:46:16.640 was

00:46:16.920 my

00:46:18.320 review

00:46:18.760 was

00:46:19.040 divided

00:46:19.440 in

00:46:19.840 three

00:46:20.680 parts

00:46:21.160 and

00:46:22.560 and so

00:46:24.620 two

00:46:25.900 major

00:46:26.520 themes

00:46:26.940 were

00:46:27.380 dealt

00:46:28.300 with

00:46:28.680 and

00:46:29.100 so

00:46:29.800 the first

00:46:31.300 one was

00:46:32.120 the

00:46:32.860 surly bones

00:46:33.480 of earth

00:46:33.960 we can talk

00:46:34.840 about that

00:46:35.440 and

00:46:36.180 and then

00:46:36.840 the

00:46:37.100 challenge

00:46:37.660 to

00:46:38.180 identitarianism

00:46:40.040 as it

00:46:40.560 is conceived

00:46:41.080 now

00:46:41.540 and I'm

00:46:42.100 talking about

00:46:42.820 a challenge

00:46:43.620 and not

00:46:44.040 a stop sign

00:46:44.800 which means

00:46:46.340 that I don't

00:46:47.100 think it is

00:46:48.100 you know

00:46:48.820 impossible

00:46:49.220 to overcome

00:46:50.160 it

00:46:50.500 but

00:46:50.920 and I'm

00:46:52.640 talking

00:46:52.920 because

00:46:53.460 I used

00:46:54.220 to be

00:46:54.660 close

00:46:55.200 to

00:46:55.620 the

00:46:57.460 identitarians

00:46:58.380 in France

00:46:59.040 and Europe

00:46:59.660 and

00:47:00.240 actually

00:47:01.100 I was

00:47:01.600 their fundraiser

00:47:02.360 for a year

00:47:03.000 so I wasn't

00:47:03.900 really

00:47:04.180 an activist

00:47:05.560 but

00:47:06.040 it meant

00:47:07.260 that I was

00:47:08.100 reading all

00:47:08.780 their material

00:47:09.520 and

00:47:10.200 really what

00:47:11.760 bothered me

00:47:13.080 was

00:47:13.680 you know

00:47:14.160 this

00:47:14.640 rigid

00:47:16.340 attachment

00:47:18.720 to

00:47:19.380 the soil

00:47:20.560 and by that

00:47:21.900 I mean

00:47:22.300 that of course

00:47:23.060 I like

00:47:23.960 what

00:47:25.160 Europe

00:47:25.780 or even

00:47:26.320 France

00:47:26.880 is

00:47:27.580 physically

00:47:29.020 and I like

00:47:29.900 this land

00:47:30.460 and the

00:47:32.520 way

00:47:33.000 Americans

00:47:33.940 which

00:47:34.800 is

00:47:35.660 Europeans

00:47:36.420 transformed

00:47:38.920 North

00:47:39.380 America

00:47:40.920 makes it

00:47:41.520 familiar

00:47:41.920 to me

00:47:42.400 so

00:47:42.680 I like

00:47:44.160 the land

00:47:44.840 but

00:47:45.360 this

00:47:46.340 really

00:47:46.920 you know

00:47:48.880 rigid

00:47:52.100 bond

00:47:54.720 that they

00:47:55.420 would like

00:47:55.920 us to

00:47:56.360 have

00:47:56.700 is

00:47:57.720 not only

00:47:58.660 is

00:47:59.240 you know

00:48:00.480 it's

00:48:00.840 it's

00:48:01.100 a kind

00:48:01.440 of

00:48:02.780 for us

00:48:05.440 not only

00:48:06.740 is it

00:48:07.080 counterproductive

00:48:08.000 to have

00:48:09.020 this

00:48:09.460 you know

00:48:09.980 ideology

00:48:11.480 defined

00:48:13.380 that way

00:48:13.840 but

00:48:14.160 it's also

00:48:15.000 a negation

00:48:15.920 of what

00:48:16.720 we really

00:48:17.380 are

00:48:17.720 and

00:48:18.020 so

00:48:19.420 first of

00:48:20.880 Europeans

00:48:22.800 are European

00:48:23.500 ancestors

00:48:24.080 so

00:48:25.260 which

00:48:26.100 who

00:48:26.760 were

00:48:26.960 speaking

00:48:27.280 one

00:48:27.620 language

00:48:28.120 and

00:48:28.360 were

00:48:28.540 living

00:48:28.820 in

00:48:29.140 one

00:48:29.960 area

00:48:30.360 they

00:48:30.900 had

00:48:31.100 to

00:48:31.320 leave

00:48:31.620 their

00:48:31.840 land

00:48:32.180 to

00:48:32.580 conquer

00:48:32.960 what

00:48:33.260 is

00:48:33.420 known

00:48:33.740 today

00:48:34.140 as

00:48:34.320 Europe

00:48:34.680 so

00:48:35.300 that's

00:48:35.600 the

00:48:35.700 first

00:48:35.940 point

00:48:36.320 and

00:48:37.380 the

00:48:37.520 second

00:48:37.800 point

00:48:38.200 is

00:48:38.440 that

00:48:38.740 the

00:48:39.980 identitarians

00:48:40.880 in

00:48:41.160 Europe

00:48:41.440 would

00:48:41.780 like

00:48:42.060 us

00:48:42.320 to

00:48:42.680 be

00:48:43.040 hobbits

00:48:43.600 we

00:48:44.220 are

00:48:44.340 not

00:48:44.520 hobbits

00:48:44.960 we

00:48:45.640 are

00:48:45.780 not

00:48:46.040 you

00:48:46.400 know

00:48:46.600 this

00:48:47.080 low

00:48:48.340 low

00:48:49.320 grade

00:48:49.700 type

00:48:50.240 we

00:48:50.640 are

00:48:50.960 we

00:48:52.640 have

00:48:52.880 shortcomings

00:48:53.460 but

00:48:53.840 we

00:48:54.240 are

00:48:54.500 aiming

00:48:54.880 at

00:48:55.140 something

00:48:55.500 higher

00:48:55.960 than

00:48:56.460 just

00:48:56.920 you

00:48:57.180 know

00:48:57.460 having

00:48:58.920 wooden

00:48:59.720 houses

00:49:00.760 and

00:49:01.300 drinking

00:49:01.900 ale

00:49:02.440 with

00:49:02.980 our

00:49:03.620 neighbors

00:49:04.000 which

00:49:04.800 are

00:49:05.040 fine

00:49:05.460 things

00:49:05.880 of course

00:49:06.360 but

00:49:06.600 it

00:49:08.460 can't

00:49:08.880 be

00:49:09.120 our

00:49:09.400 ideas

00:49:10.020 and

00:49:10.860 the

00:49:11.580 problem

00:49:12.020 I

00:49:12.260 see

00:49:12.600 in

00:49:12.920 today's

00:49:13.840 identitarianism

00:49:15.200 is that

00:49:15.620 they only

00:49:16.940 glorify

00:49:17.720 small

00:49:18.200 things

00:49:18.600 and

00:49:20.100 of

00:49:20.940 course

00:49:21.280 we

00:49:21.620 shouldn't

00:49:22.380 you

00:49:22.820 know

00:49:23.040 go to

00:49:24.140 the

00:49:24.320 other

00:49:24.580 extreme

00:49:25.260 which

00:49:26.080 leads

00:49:26.820 to

00:49:27.200 you

00:49:27.480 know

00:49:27.680 the

00:49:28.000 ivory

00:49:28.520 tower

00:49:28.940 and

00:49:29.320 ultimately

00:49:30.500 to

00:49:31.180 being

00:49:31.500 small

00:49:31.980 by

00:49:32.400 you

00:49:33.480 know

00:49:33.580 pretending

00:49:34.060 to aim

00:49:34.640 at

00:49:34.960 high

00:49:35.740 things

00:49:36.000 but

00:49:36.300 you

00:49:37.220 know

00:49:37.440 again

00:49:37.840 we

00:49:38.020 have

00:49:38.160 to

00:49:38.320 balance

00:49:38.860 you

00:49:39.860 know

00:49:40.140 mundane

00:49:41.200 and

00:49:41.840 parochial

00:49:43.060 concerns

00:49:45.080 like

00:49:45.840 you

00:49:46.940 know

00:49:47.280 having

00:49:49.020 nice

00:49:49.780 neighbors

00:49:50.180 and

00:49:50.800 saying

00:49:52.280 hi

00:49:52.620 to

00:49:52.900 the

00:49:53.160 butcher 0.71

00:49:53.840 you

00:49:54.740 know

00:49:54.920 I

00:49:55.160 have

00:49:55.380 nothing

00:49:55.680 against

00:49:56.120 that

00:49:56.380 I

00:49:56.620 am

00:49:56.760 joking

00:49:57.040 now

00:49:57.460 but

00:49:57.720 it's

00:49:59.000 really

00:49:59.820 positive

00:50:00.280 things

00:50:00.620 we

00:50:00.840 should

00:50:01.160 cherish

00:50:02.280 but

00:50:02.700 if

00:50:03.340 you

00:50:03.520 define

00:50:04.120 your

00:50:04.880 project

00:50:05.500 on

00:50:05.720 it

00:50:05.960 it

00:50:06.960 can't

00:50:07.360 work

00:50:07.600 and

00:50:07.760 it

00:50:07.940 can't

00:50:08.240 work

00:50:08.400 because

00:50:08.760 we

00:50:09.000 are

00:50:09.260 not

00:50:10.240 like

00:50:10.500 that

00:50:10.700 we

00:50:10.860 are

00:50:11.020 not

00:50:11.380 like

00:50:12.400 the

00:50:12.580 other

00:50:12.780 civilizations

00:50:13.500 and

00:50:14.120 the

00:50:14.320 races

00:50:14.820 we

00:50:15.760 need

00:50:15.940 something

00:50:16.180 more

00:50:16.600 something

00:50:17.000 that

00:50:17.420 is

00:50:18.720 higher

00:50:19.140 than

00:50:19.420 us

00:50:19.620 and

00:50:19.860 you

00:50:21.000 know

00:50:21.260 there

00:50:21.760 is

00:50:21.920 a lot

00:50:22.280 of

00:50:22.500 criticisms

00:50:23.220 about

00:50:25.020 Christianity

00:50:25.540 in our

00:50:26.800 circles

00:50:27.200 and

00:50:27.520 most

00:50:28.160 are

00:50:28.400 justified

00:50:28.860 but

00:50:30.260 we

00:50:31.100 have

00:50:31.280 to

00:50:31.420 give

00:50:31.620 it

00:50:31.800 to

00:50:31.980 Christianity

00:50:32.480 that

00:50:33.000 at

00:50:33.540 least

00:50:33.800 it

00:50:34.080 gave

00:50:34.420 something

00:50:34.820 high

00:50:35.340 to

00:50:36.580 you

00:50:36.960 know

00:50:37.220 blame

00:50:37.840 it

00:50:38.140 yeah

00:50:38.560 it

00:50:38.960 valued

00:50:39.880 truth

00:50:40.420 maybe

00:50:40.660 overvalued

00:50:41.640 truth

00:50:42.280 truth

00:50:43.120 at

00:50:43.280 all

00:50:43.520 cost

00:50:44.160 truth

00:50:44.840 at

00:50:45.000 the

00:50:45.140 cost

00:50:45.540 of

00:50:45.720 lives

00:50:46.280 of

00:50:46.560 human

00:50:46.980 beings

00:50:47.280 but

00:50:47.440 it

00:50:47.920 made

00:50:48.340 us

00:50:48.620 deeper

00:50:49.260 in a

00:50:49.840 way

00:50:50.040 yeah

00:50:50.640 and

00:50:50.880 it

00:50:51.080 even

00:50:51.520 truth

00:50:51.980 Christianity

00:50:52.580 puts a

00:50:53.560 value

00:50:53.960 on

00:50:54.260 truth

00:50:54.740 that

00:50:55.360 even

00:50:55.620 cuts

00:50:56.120 into

00:50:56.360 Christianity

00:50:56.880 itself

00:50:57.500 you know

00:50:59.140 I mean

00:50:59.400 that's what

00:51:00.500 happened

00:51:00.860 yeah

00:51:01.360 I mean

00:51:02.080 I agree

00:51:03.100 I think

00:51:03.740 historically

00:51:04.220 speaking

00:51:04.740 we

00:51:05.640 almost

00:51:06.260 how do

00:51:07.500 I say

00:51:07.700 this

00:51:07.860 we

00:51:08.180 took

00:51:08.740 there's

00:51:09.220 something

00:51:09.500 in us

00:51:10.000 that took

00:51:10.440 to this

00:51:10.740 religion

00:51:11.080 because

00:51:11.480 obviously

00:51:11.860 we

00:51:12.060 value

00:51:12.340 truth

00:51:12.640 before

00:51:12.940 this

00:51:13.160 I mean

00:51:13.320 you

00:51:13.420 can

00:51:13.560 look

00:51:13.760 at

00:51:13.920 pre-Christian 0.90

00:51:14.620 civilizations

00:51:15.460 Greeks 0.98

00:51:16.180 obviously

00:51:17.420 but

00:51:17.640 there's

00:51:18.180 something

00:51:18.560 about

00:51:18.860 Christianity

00:51:19.360 that spoke

00:51:20.100 to us

00:51:20.520 and maybe

00:51:21.140 we needed

00:51:22.340 it in our

00:51:23.020 in our own

00:51:23.720 evolution

00:51:24.700 to value

00:51:25.940 something

00:51:26.340 bigger

00:51:26.780 you know

00:51:27.120 at random

00:51:27.820 right

00:51:28.560 and it's like

00:51:29.500 the French

00:51:30.140 Revolution

00:51:30.600 or communism

00:51:31.420 you know

00:51:33.780 only

00:51:34.460 only

00:51:36.280 conservatives

00:51:36.960 can regret

00:51:38.020 something that

00:51:38.800 was almost

00:51:40.940 bound to

00:51:41.520 happen

00:51:41.880 because

00:51:42.480 there were

00:51:43.300 serious

00:51:43.980 flaws

00:51:44.380 in society

00:51:45.220 or

00:51:45.600 in the

00:51:46.840 way

00:51:47.220 you know

00:51:48.300 in the

00:51:49.140 intellectual

00:51:49.600 structure

00:51:50.200 of society

00:51:50.880 and

00:51:51.280 so it

00:51:52.500 was necessary

00:51:53.180 at some

00:51:53.640 point

00:51:53.860 and

00:51:54.100 again

00:51:55.000 what I

00:51:55.660 reproach

00:51:57.120 but it's

00:51:57.660 a friendly

00:51:58.180 reproach

00:51:59.100 to

00:52:00.360 identitarianism

00:52:01.460 today

00:52:01.900 that

00:52:02.300 you know

00:52:05.220 it's the

00:52:05.800 same

00:52:06.060 when

00:52:06.360 they

00:52:06.700 you know

00:52:07.580 they decry 0.98

00:52:08.480 a black

00:52:10.400 and white

00:52:10.860 or muslim

00:52:11.440 and white 0.97

00:52:11.840 crime

00:52:12.360 so they

00:52:13.420 want security

00:52:14.340 which is

00:52:15.320 fine

00:52:15.680 we need

00:52:16.220 security

00:52:16.800 to protect

00:52:17.820 the children

00:52:18.460 the women 0.97

00:52:19.460 or to

00:52:20.420 protect

00:52:20.920 intelligent

00:52:22.100 people

00:52:22.680 from

00:52:23.380 you know

00:52:24.040 the

00:52:24.320 resentment

00:52:24.980 of the 1.00

00:52:26.120 stupid 1.00

00:52:26.500 and the 1.00

00:52:26.960 ugly 0.98

00:52:27.340 which

00:52:27.880 so security

00:52:29.200 is fine

00:52:29.700 but

00:52:29.920 they value

00:52:31.440 security

00:52:32.180 above

00:52:34.060 everything

00:52:35.040 so it's

00:52:35.660 security

00:52:36.200 and identity

00:52:37.060 their model

00:52:38.020 it's

00:52:38.840 even

00:52:39.400 more

00:52:40.900 narrow

00:52:41.460 than

00:52:41.940 blood

00:52:42.560 and soil

00:52:43.000 and then

00:52:44.480 I have to

00:52:45.040 ask

00:52:45.400 okay

00:52:45.820 but

00:52:46.220 do we

00:52:47.260 really want

00:52:47.980 to live

00:52:48.480 in a

00:52:49.620 kind of

00:52:50.220 prison

00:52:51.400 supermarket

00:52:52.080 because

00:52:52.860 eventually

00:52:53.620 that's what

00:52:54.440 you know

00:52:55.180 it would

00:52:55.680 amount to

00:52:57.400 and

00:52:57.760 the way

00:53:00.700 I'm

00:53:01.060 a little

00:53:01.500 bit

00:53:01.760 disappointed

00:53:02.360 by

00:53:02.920 identitarianism

00:53:04.560 the

00:53:05.000 European

00:53:05.680 you know

00:53:07.900 strain

00:53:08.580 of it

00:53:08.920 is that

00:53:09.380 a few

00:53:10.200 years ago

00:53:10.880 you know

00:53:12.020 the identitarians

00:53:13.060 were much

00:53:13.620 more

00:53:14.080 pro-youth

00:53:15.860 against

00:53:16.420 baby boomers 0.93

00:53:17.160 they were

00:53:17.520 more

00:53:17.920 futuristic

00:53:18.560 and they

00:53:19.420 were

00:53:19.860 anti-statists

00:53:23.400 for example

00:53:24.140 they said

00:53:24.700 it's not

00:53:25.160 because

00:53:25.600 there is

00:53:26.880 crime

00:53:27.440 that we

00:53:28.220 should have

00:53:28.840 cameras

00:53:29.840 everywhere

00:53:30.540 and now

00:53:32.040 more and more

00:53:32.740 they are

00:53:33.080 pro-security

00:53:34.060 and

00:53:34.640 and really

00:53:38.440 interstellar

00:53:39.480 to get back

00:53:40.600 again to the movie

00:53:41.500 it addresses

00:53:44.380 this challenge

00:53:45.440 you know

00:53:46.420 to

00:53:46.720 I don't

00:53:49.060 think

00:53:49.460 Nolan

00:53:50.300 thought

00:53:50.640 any

00:53:51.000 second

00:53:51.680 of

00:53:52.120 you know

00:53:53.420 the so-called

00:53:54.100 far right

00:53:54.700 but

00:53:55.060 we should

00:53:56.240 do as

00:53:57.080 if he

00:53:57.520 did

00:53:57.960 and

00:53:58.680 just

00:53:59.520 think for

00:54:00.480 ourselves

00:54:00.960 would

00:54:02.620 Europeans

00:54:03.360 today

00:54:03.940 try to

00:54:05.740 conquer

00:54:06.200 Antarctica

00:54:07.500 as they

00:54:08.380 did

00:54:08.680 a century

00:54:09.940 ago

00:54:10.380 or

00:54:11.400 would they

00:54:12.040 do again

00:54:12.780 in vast

00:54:14.180 numbers

00:54:14.800 you know

00:54:18.120 when they

00:54:18.640 try to

00:54:20.020 conquer

00:54:20.320 mountains

00:54:21.060 like

00:54:21.480 of course

00:54:21.900 the

00:54:22.160 Himalaya

00:54:22.800 I don't

00:54:24.240 think they

00:54:24.600 would

00:54:24.860 or

00:54:25.220 you know

00:54:26.640 people who

00:54:27.180 do that

00:54:27.740 are

00:54:29.680 disconnected

00:54:30.260 from

00:54:30.980 you know

00:54:33.200 there is

00:54:33.780 really a

00:54:34.160 split

00:54:34.560 between

00:54:35.120 people who

00:54:36.500 keep

00:54:36.900 doing

00:54:37.720 things

00:54:38.420 today

00:54:38.960 like

00:54:39.520 in

00:54:39.780 science

00:54:40.240 in

00:54:40.480 technology

00:54:40.960 in

00:54:41.220 sports

00:54:41.680 extreme

00:54:42.240 sports

00:54:42.760 and

00:54:43.660 people who

00:54:44.220 care about

00:54:44.900 what we

00:54:45.620 are

00:54:45.860 and

00:54:46.180 this

00:54:46.780 disconnect

00:54:47.300 must be

00:54:48.160 you know

00:54:48.580 we must

00:54:49.760 overcome it

00:54:50.380 because

00:54:50.840 we can

00:54:51.520 have

00:54:51.900 people who

00:54:53.740 do great

00:54:54.940 things but

00:54:55.560 who don't

00:54:56.060 care about

00:54:56.580 where they

00:54:56.960 come from

00:54:57.420 and people

00:54:57.940 who only

00:54:58.360 care about

00:54:58.860 where they

00:54:59.320 come from

00:54:59.720 but don't

00:55:00.700 want to

00:55:01.040 go anywhere

00:55:01.580 I don't know

00:55:02.720 if I'm

00:55:03.060 clear but

00:55:03.780 it's a

00:55:04.820 dialectic

00:55:05.740 it's part

00:55:06.180 of our

00:55:06.480 soul

00:55:06.800 is that

00:55:07.100 we want

00:55:07.660 to go

00:55:07.900 home

00:55:08.380 but then

00:55:09.260 we want

00:55:09.680 to explore

00:55:10.660 and it's

00:55:11.700 you know

00:55:12.080 we need

00:55:12.500 identitarian

00:55:13.260 identitarianism

00:55:14.660 in space

00:55:15.360 I mean

00:55:16.260 that

00:55:16.420 that shall

00:55:17.460 be our

00:55:17.740 new motto

00:55:18.180 I mean

00:55:18.400 we need

00:55:20.320 some way

00:55:21.680 that we

00:55:23.080 maintain our

00:55:24.080 identity

00:55:24.460 and we

00:55:24.760 maintain our

00:55:25.940 sense of

00:55:26.780 home

00:55:27.580 and place

00:55:28.580 and family

00:55:29.360 but that

00:55:31.020 we do

00:55:32.060 that in

00:55:32.640 a

00:55:32.940 that also

00:55:34.840 speaks to

00:55:35.480 our own

00:55:36.440 Faustian

00:55:37.600 you know

00:55:38.500 unbounded

00:55:39.500 nature

00:55:39.980 and

00:55:41.080 that is

00:55:42.960 what we

00:55:43.460 need

00:55:43.680 and again

00:55:44.220 I've said

00:55:45.180 this in

00:55:45.420 other contexts

00:55:46.060 but it

00:55:46.960 is remarkable

00:55:47.620 the ways

00:55:48.840 that modern

00:55:50.160 society is

00:55:51.060 really pushing

00:55:51.800 us towards

00:55:52.440 this

00:55:52.880 you know

00:55:53.640 the modern

00:55:54.820 world is

00:55:55.520 bringing us

00:55:56.420 together in

00:55:57.580 ways that are

00:55:58.760 unimaginable

00:55:59.520 we're not

00:56:00.060 you know

00:56:01.300 I can

00:56:02.820 understand

00:56:03.360 that I

00:56:04.220 would love

00:56:05.000 for Native

00:56:06.020 American tribes

00:56:07.080 you know

00:56:08.960 out where I

00:56:09.440 live or

00:56:09.800 really anywhere

00:56:10.680 to become

00:56:12.040 much more

00:56:12.820 local

00:56:13.180 to become

00:56:13.580 as local

00:56:14.360 as they

00:56:14.840 were

00:56:15.220 before they

00:56:16.520 met the

00:56:17.140 white man

00:56:17.620 which was

00:56:17.980 very local

00:56:18.700 they had

00:56:19.040 different

00:56:19.280 religions

00:56:19.700 different

00:56:20.160 languages

00:56:21.140 and all

00:56:21.820 this kind

00:56:22.160 of thing

00:56:22.440 and I

00:56:23.080 think that

00:56:23.860 is wonderful

00:56:24.560 and I

00:56:24.880 think that

00:56:25.180 probably

00:56:25.660 is their

00:56:26.760 proper destiny

00:56:27.540 and I

00:56:29.420 would support

00:56:30.460 that for

00:56:30.820 them but

00:56:31.200 do we

00:56:32.440 really want

00:56:33.360 that

00:56:33.640 does that

00:56:34.720 really speak

00:56:35.540 to us

00:56:36.080 for us

00:56:37.480 and I

00:56:38.800 think the

00:56:39.500 obvious answer

00:56:40.240 is no

00:56:40.880 the notion

00:56:42.360 of being

00:56:42.980 bound by

00:56:44.160 a square

00:56:44.780 mile plot

00:56:45.480 of land

00:56:46.020 and not

00:56:48.240 knowing anyone

00:56:49.400 outside of

00:56:50.200 your town

00:56:52.300 it just

00:56:52.820 doesn't

00:56:53.960 we just

00:56:54.540 have to

00:56:54.920 look at

00:56:55.260 our history

00:56:56.040 exactly

00:56:56.740 we've never

00:56:58.100 wanted that

00:56:58.760 I mean

00:56:59.000 now maybe

00:57:00.100 we should

00:57:01.440 also

00:57:02.120 because

00:57:03.960 what I

00:57:05.380 don't

00:57:05.820 really like

00:57:06.440 in many

00:57:07.640 nationalist

00:57:09.480 or

00:57:09.820 identitarian

00:57:10.540 or racial

00:57:11.400 circles

00:57:13.160 is

00:57:13.620 it's

00:57:14.940 massified

00:57:15.700 view

00:57:16.140 and for

00:57:17.080 example

00:57:17.340 which is

00:57:17.840 typified

00:57:18.480 by the

00:57:20.080 fact that

00:57:20.500 we always

00:57:21.300 talk about

00:57:22.020 you know

00:57:22.900 mean IQ

00:57:24.180 which doesn't

00:57:25.300 mean anything

00:57:25.860 mean IQ

00:57:26.980 is for

00:57:27.620 you know

00:57:28.780 an average

00:57:29.420 man which

00:57:30.040 is the

00:57:30.740 last man

00:57:31.200 and so

00:57:34.480 it's true

00:57:35.760 that for

00:57:36.200 most of

00:57:37.140 the population

00:57:37.800 in Europe

00:57:38.580 and even

00:57:39.600 in North

00:57:40.100 America

00:57:40.520 if you

00:57:44.380 were a

00:57:44.800 farmer

00:57:45.060 you would

00:57:45.600 never go

00:57:46.760 very far

00:57:47.960 from your

00:57:48.620 farm

00:57:49.040 a few

00:57:49.880 miles

00:57:50.760 for many

00:57:51.940 people in

00:57:52.620 their life

00:57:53.580 you know

00:57:54.140 they would

00:57:54.740 go to

00:57:56.180 the village

00:57:56.800 to church

00:57:57.480 and then

00:57:58.700 to some

00:57:59.320 of the

00:57:59.640 markets

00:58:00.160 of the

00:58:01.300 small

00:58:02.200 regions

00:58:02.680 they were

00:58:03.020 living in

00:58:03.620 and that

00:58:04.360 would be

00:58:04.680 it

00:58:04.940 but

00:58:06.220 it's not

00:58:07.440 the people

00:58:07.820 that are

00:58:08.280 leading

00:58:08.620 society

00:58:09.340 you know

00:58:10.340 and people

00:58:11.840 who are

00:58:12.160 leading

00:58:12.580 Europe

00:58:13.460 since

00:58:14.060 we put

00:58:16.640 the Europe

00:58:17.280 world on

00:58:17.880 it so

00:58:18.300 at least

00:58:19.140 you know

00:58:21.460 since

00:58:22.260 Greeks 0.98

00:58:22.840 people who

00:58:24.380 are leading

00:58:24.980 this

00:58:26.120 civilization

00:58:26.820 are people

00:58:27.360 who want

00:58:27.740 to explore

00:58:28.300 and conquer

00:58:28.840 and that

00:58:30.380 doesn't mean

00:58:31.080 that at

00:58:32.520 the same

00:58:32.880 time you

00:58:33.460 have people

00:58:33.940 who want

00:58:34.340 to live

00:58:34.780 in a small

00:58:35.380 area which

00:58:36.200 is fine

00:58:36.800 we don't

00:58:38.180 need to be

00:58:39.320 you know

00:58:39.940 all the

00:58:42.020 same and

00:58:42.740 there's a

00:58:43.400 very

00:58:43.840 there's a

00:58:45.280 scientific

00:58:45.640 reason for

00:58:46.500 that is

00:58:47.000 that we

00:58:48.700 have

00:58:49.040 you know

00:58:51.080 our bell

00:58:52.300 curve is

00:58:52.780 not really

00:58:53.300 you know

00:58:54.240 it's very

00:58:54.880 flat

00:58:55.620 actually

00:58:56.220 we have

00:58:56.980 almost 1.00

00:58:58.620 stupid 1.00

00:58:59.040 people 1.00

00:58:59.480 in

00:59:00.120 vast

00:59:01.040 numbers

00:59:01.540 and

00:59:01.800 geniuses

00:59:02.920 in

00:59:03.420 important

00:59:05.380 numbers

00:59:05.980 whereas

00:59:06.480 Asians

00:59:07.380 are

00:59:07.940 all

00:59:08.820 around

00:59:09.380 the middle

00:59:09.940 the mean

00:59:10.440 vertical

00:59:11.080 bell curve

00:59:11.620 we

00:59:12.140 I think

00:59:12.660 for group

00:59:13.280 evolution

00:59:13.840 the

00:59:14.720 flatter

00:59:15.480 wider

00:59:16.520 bell curve

00:59:17.220 is better

00:59:18.240 yes

00:59:19.720 because it

00:59:20.560 allows us

00:59:21.140 to have

00:59:21.600 farmers

00:59:22.720 and workers

00:59:23.560 it might

00:59:24.480 sound

00:59:24.840 condescending

00:59:25.480 but it

00:59:26.440 isn't

00:59:26.900 maybe it's

00:59:28.900 the tone

00:59:29.220 of my

00:59:29.540 voice

00:59:29.880 but I'm

00:59:30.640 really

00:59:31.000 I'm really

00:59:31.700 not

00:59:32.040 you know

00:59:33.600 scornful

00:59:34.760 towards

00:59:35.360 people who

00:59:36.100 are simple

00:59:36.940 because we

00:59:37.740 need them

00:59:38.220 and if we

00:59:39.540 only had

00:59:40.140 intellectuals

00:59:41.160 it would

00:59:42.360 really be

00:59:43.200 impossible

00:59:44.160 to live

00:59:44.720 actually

00:59:45.100 you just

00:59:46.020 have to

00:59:46.460 look at

00:59:46.900 all the

00:59:47.920 feuds

00:59:48.400 between

00:59:49.280 alt-right

00:59:50.440 writers

00:59:51.160 especially

00:59:51.700 recent ones

00:59:52.740 to

00:59:54.120 understand

00:59:54.840 that we

00:59:55.340 also need

00:59:55.900 simple

00:59:56.280 people

00:59:56.640 who care

00:59:57.220 about

00:59:57.640 you know

00:59:58.320 doing

00:59:58.760 nice

00:59:59.820 crafts

01:00:01.140 work

01:00:01.660 or you

01:00:02.500 know

01:00:02.600 farming

01:00:03.000 the land

01:00:03.480 properly

01:00:04.000 which

01:00:04.400 is really

01:00:05.380 respectable

01:00:05.920 we need

01:00:06.840 both

01:00:07.200 actually

01:00:07.680 right

01:00:08.140 and I

01:00:08.460 would

01:00:08.600 let me

01:00:10.280 go off

01:00:10.620 on this

01:00:10.860 but I

01:00:11.240 think I

01:00:11.740 would

01:00:12.140 mention

01:00:12.580 just

01:00:12.940 you know

01:00:13.740 farming

01:00:14.120 is actually

01:00:14.760 a very

01:00:15.240 difficult

01:00:15.660 profession

01:00:16.700 you need

01:00:17.460 to actually

01:00:18.440 look into

01:00:19.240 the future

01:00:19.760 and plan

01:00:20.760 ahead

01:00:21.440 and things

01:00:21.780 like that

01:00:22.200 but I

01:00:23.520 definitely

01:00:23.840 see your

01:00:24.220 point

01:00:24.520 I mean

01:00:24.740 there's

01:00:25.300 an earthiness

01:00:26.320 to being

01:00:26.820 a farmer

01:00:27.280 that I

01:00:27.660 think no

01:00:28.020 farmer

01:00:28.300 would deny

01:00:28.820 I mean

01:00:29.120 it's

01:00:29.580 there's

01:00:30.280 just

01:00:30.420 there's

01:00:30.700 an

01:00:30.900 simpleness

01:00:31.760 in the

01:00:32.420 proper sense

01:00:33.740 of that

01:00:34.020 term

01:00:34.380 not in

01:00:34.900 the sense

01:00:35.160 of being 0.99

01:00:35.440 dumb 1.00

01:00:36.160 or 0.99

01:00:36.880 not deep

01:00:39.500 but just

01:00:40.200 a kind

01:00:40.900 of appreciation

01:00:41.640 of those

01:00:42.060 real basic

01:00:42.660 things

01:00:43.320 that I

01:00:44.280 think no

01:00:44.820 farmer

01:00:45.120 would deny

01:00:45.720 that

01:00:45.920 so I

01:00:46.300 agree

01:00:46.640 I

01:00:46.880 think

01:00:47.180 society

01:00:47.540 needs

01:00:47.800 that

01:00:47.960 if

01:00:48.080 society

01:00:48.480 were a

01:00:48.780 bunch

01:00:48.920 of

01:00:49.120 bohemian

01:00:49.880 intellectuals

01:00:50.660 we would

01:00:51.160 not be

01:00:51.540 speaking

01:00:51.880 here today

01:00:52.480 because we

01:00:53.040 would not

01:00:53.440 be alive

01:00:54.140 but at the

01:00:55.380 same time

01:00:56.000 I don't

01:00:56.780 want to

01:00:57.980 live in

01:00:58.640 a world

01:00:59.240 of all

01:01:02.120 kind of

01:01:02.780 good people

01:01:03.580 you know

01:01:04.660 a good

01:01:05.540 solid

01:01:06.080 folk

01:01:06.760 I kind

01:01:07.640 of

01:01:07.760 we need

01:01:08.420 those people

01:01:09.000 challenging

01:01:09.680 us and

01:01:10.100 testing us

01:01:10.720 needling

01:01:13.420 us a

01:01:13.920 little bit

01:01:14.240 we need

01:01:15.280 that aspect

01:01:16.220 and I

01:01:17.420 think

01:01:17.600 group

01:01:18.940 evolution

01:01:19.560 is real

01:01:20.360 and I

01:01:21.080 think we

01:01:21.620 need to

01:01:22.020 again I

01:01:22.880 agree that

01:01:23.460 the mean

01:01:24.120 of a bell

01:01:24.560 curve

01:01:24.820 is deceptive

01:01:25.900 to go back

01:01:27.240 to what

01:01:27.540 you were

01:01:27.680 talking about

01:01:28.020 before

01:01:28.460 of

01:01:29.020 Christopher

01:01:30.540 Nolan

01:01:31.100 made

01:01:31.780 interstellar

01:01:32.640 in order

01:01:33.120 to challenge

01:01:33.960 our movement

01:01:34.680 now some

01:01:36.160 might hear

01:01:37.780 that sentence

01:01:38.780 and think

01:01:40.000 that we're

01:01:40.400 being

01:01:41.160 massively 0.99

01:01:42.680 narcissistic 0.72

01:01:43.720 he's listening

01:01:44.700 now

01:01:45.080 well he

01:01:46.780 might very

01:01:47.380 well

01:01:47.840 you never

01:01:49.500 know who's

01:01:50.100 listening

01:01:50.940 I would be

01:01:52.600 very very

01:01:53.540 proud if

01:01:54.400 someone told

01:01:55.400 me that

01:01:55.880 he read

01:01:56.600 my review

01:01:57.160 but I

01:01:57.700 know he

01:01:58.320 didn't

01:01:58.980 I wouldn't

01:02:00.140 be positive

01:02:01.740 that he

01:02:02.160 didn't

01:02:03.100 but I

01:02:04.560 would be

01:02:04.880 very glad

01:02:05.480 actually

01:02:05.900 so

01:02:07.200 anyway

01:02:07.640 if someone

01:02:10.320 heard that

01:02:10.820 sentence

01:02:11.180 that he

01:02:11.480 made this

01:02:11.920 movie in

01:02:12.340 order to

01:02:12.680 challenge

01:02:13.020 our

01:02:13.240 movement

01:02:13.580 of course

01:02:14.260 they would

01:02:14.560 accuse us

01:02:15.020 of being

01:02:15.380 massive

01:02:16.320 narcissists

01:02:17.080 or just 1.00

01:02:17.860 ridiculous 0.99

01:02:18.400 people 1.00

01:02:18.920 but let's

01:02:20.040 take it

01:02:20.580 for what

01:02:21.440 it's worth

01:02:21.780 I think

01:02:22.220 it's kind

01:02:22.580 of helping

01:02:22.920 us

01:02:23.100 I think

01:02:23.780 in a way

01:02:24.240 what Nolan

01:02:25.160 was saying

01:02:26.020 through some

01:02:26.760 characters

01:02:27.180 and through

01:02:27.580 some scenes

01:02:28.300 I think

01:02:29.140 it was

01:02:29.600 in a way

01:02:29.980 a challenge

01:02:30.740 to petty

01:02:32.240 ethno

01:02:32.660 nationalism

01:02:33.280 were

01:02:33.920 landed

01:02:35.140 earth and

01:02:37.080 soil types

01:02:37.800 and if you

01:02:38.760 look at

01:02:39.240 Cooper's

01:02:40.880 son

01:02:41.260 who's very

01:02:42.660 different from

01:02:43.620 Murph

01:02:44.000 his daughter

01:02:44.520 who's

01:02:44.860 Murph is a

01:02:46.380 Faustian

01:02:46.920 man

01:02:47.500 and his

01:02:48.340 son

01:02:48.800 who seems

01:02:50.520 to be a

01:02:51.100 decent person

01:02:52.060 when you

01:02:53.220 meet him

01:02:53.520 as a kid

01:02:54.020 he seems

01:02:54.420 like a

01:02:54.720 normal

01:02:55.200 good kid

01:02:56.520 and it's

01:02:57.640 not like

01:02:58.020 he's a

01:02:58.300 bad person

01:02:59.000 but by the

01:03:00.280 end of the

01:03:00.720 film

01:03:01.080 he is so

01:03:02.500 attached

01:03:03.180 to his

01:03:04.100 home site

01:03:04.840 that he

01:03:06.500 that he

01:03:07.360 and his

01:03:07.700 wife

01:03:08.080 are

01:03:08.500 willing

01:03:09.420 are delusionally

01:03:11.660 willing to

01:03:12.400 allow their

01:03:12.840 child to

01:03:13.500 die of 0.74

01:03:14.640 some kind

01:03:15.180 of lung

01:03:15.600 disease

01:03:16.180 and to be

01:03:17.540 proud of

01:03:18.120 burying

01:03:18.600 burying the

01:03:19.880 child in

01:03:20.500 the garden

01:03:21.020 which is

01:03:21.740 really

01:03:22.140 sinister

01:03:23.020 it's

01:03:23.820 right

01:03:24.300 but it

01:03:25.460 is very

01:03:25.860 sinister

01:03:26.220 and it's

01:03:26.440 horrible

01:03:26.680 we all

01:03:28.960 died

01:03:29.460 here

01:03:29.640 and his

01:03:30.200 Faustian

01:03:30.700 sister

01:03:31.200 is saving

01:03:31.980 him

01:03:32.300 actually

01:03:32.700 yeah

01:03:33.100 but again

01:03:34.200 I don't

01:03:34.600 think Christopher

01:03:35.580 Nolan

01:03:35.860 is saying

01:03:36.380 that

01:03:36.560 I'm forgetting

01:03:38.560 his name

01:03:39.600 he's played

01:03:40.100 by

01:03:40.420 Casey

01:03:41.540 Affleck

01:03:42.160 Ben Affleck

01:03:43.040 yes

01:03:44.180 the character's

01:03:46.060 name is

01:03:46.580 Tom

01:03:47.080 Tom

01:03:47.500 and I don't

01:03:48.380 think Christopher

01:03:48.920 Nolan's saying

01:03:49.960 I think Tom

01:03:51.120 is tragic

01:03:51.760 in his way

01:03:52.520 I don't think

01:03:53.700 Christopher Nolan's

01:03:54.340 saying that he's

01:03:54.720 a bad person

01:03:55.380 it's just

01:03:55.780 it's a kind

01:03:57.120 of

01:03:57.320 if we want

01:03:58.380 to become

01:03:58.920 identarians

01:03:59.820 we're going

01:04:00.260 to become

01:04:00.720 Tom

01:04:01.300 and

01:04:02.640 you know

01:04:03.860 and we're

01:04:04.600 going to

01:04:04.800 just you know

01:04:05.420 dagnamit

01:04:06.580 I'm going 0.85

01:04:07.080 to die 0.97

01:04:07.480 here too 1.00

01:04:08.180 and

01:04:09.300 there's

01:04:10.120 something

01:04:10.580 good about

01:04:12.040 that

01:04:12.380 there is

01:04:13.760 but then

01:04:14.340 there's

01:04:14.560 obviously

01:04:14.960 something

01:04:15.360 that's

01:04:15.880 not

01:04:16.200 complete

01:04:17.140 about it

01:04:17.680 and that

01:04:18.000 isn't

01:04:19.100 European

01:04:19.520 and

01:04:20.440 I think

01:04:21.460 that is

01:04:21.960 what

01:04:22.120 Christopher Nolan

01:04:22.660 was saying

01:04:23.140 just fast

01:04:24.240 forward

01:04:24.580 near the

01:04:25.620 end of the

01:04:26.080 film

01:04:26.300 for a

01:04:26.620 very short

01:04:27.140 period of

01:04:27.560 time

01:04:28.000 you know

01:04:30.980 and again

01:04:31.300 this is

01:04:31.760 you know

01:04:32.040 we've already

01:04:32.500 spoiled the

01:04:33.100 movie

01:04:33.280 if anyone

01:04:33.740 has listened

01:04:34.280 to an hour

01:04:34.820 of this

01:04:35.100 podcast

01:04:35.560 and has

01:04:35.820 not seen

01:04:36.240 it

01:04:36.400 again

01:04:36.840 why

01:04:37.680 but

01:04:38.000 anyway

01:04:38.760 at the

01:04:39.820 end of

01:04:40.020 the movie

01:04:40.580 after

01:04:42.560 Cooper

01:04:44.180 descends

01:04:44.800 into this

01:04:45.360 massive

01:04:45.740 black hole

01:04:46.720 and

01:04:47.020 you know

01:04:47.920 experiences

01:04:49.200 this very

01:04:49.840 odd reality

01:04:50.760 where time

01:04:52.120 has become

01:04:53.020 a dimension

01:04:53.560 like space

01:04:54.440 and all

01:04:55.100 this

01:04:55.380 I'm not

01:04:57.680 even sure

01:04:58.060 if I bought

01:04:58.920 it when I

01:04:59.380 was watching

01:04:59.840 that with

01:05:00.340 that film

01:05:01.280 it was

01:05:02.280 a little

01:05:02.740 a little

01:05:03.660 too Spielbergian

01:05:04.800 where it

01:05:05.140 was both

01:05:05.660 mystical

01:05:06.600 but then

01:05:07.320 almost

01:05:07.800 explained

01:05:08.860 all at

01:05:09.280 the same

01:05:09.560 time

01:05:09.940 I thought

01:05:10.220 there was

01:05:10.560 it was

01:05:11.320 almost

01:05:11.700 too real

01:05:12.960 and then

01:05:13.420 too mystical

01:05:14.020 both

01:05:14.760 whereas the

01:05:15.800 end of

01:05:16.120 2001

01:05:16.900 is only

01:05:18.020 mystical

01:05:18.480 and it's

01:05:20.160 extremely

01:05:20.700 ambiguous

01:05:21.200 and you

01:05:21.620 might think

01:05:22.280 that

01:05:22.540 Cooper

01:05:22.940 is saying

01:05:23.520 something

01:05:23.940 but

01:05:24.180 he

01:05:25.120 kind of

01:05:26.640 he keeps

01:05:27.040 it in

01:05:27.280 this almost

01:05:27.520 abstract

01:05:28.260 surreal

01:05:28.800 or maybe

01:05:29.300 it's like

01:05:29.840 the ending

01:05:30.500 of Inception

01:05:31.300 right

01:05:32.500 he's only

01:05:33.320 dreaming

01:05:33.740 the whole

01:05:34.660 thing's a

01:05:35.100 dream

01:05:35.340 but

01:05:36.880 I'm not

01:05:37.840 really

01:05:37.980 satisfied

01:05:38.500 by it

01:05:38.960 I have

01:05:40.180 to say

01:05:40.460 I did

01:05:40.860 like

01:05:41.120 Interstellar

01:05:41.700 I might

01:05:42.480 not have

01:05:42.880 liked it

01:05:43.220 as much

01:05:43.600 as you

01:05:43.940 did

01:05:44.160 but

01:05:44.540 I did

01:05:45.280 like it

01:05:45.720 I do

01:05:46.040 want to

01:05:46.280 see it

01:05:46.740 many more

01:05:47.600 times

01:05:48.040 and I

01:05:49.220 want to

01:05:49.900 talk about

01:05:50.300 it more

01:05:50.560 I think

01:05:50.820 it was

01:05:51.660 a real

01:05:52.420 attempt

01:05:52.880 of a

01:05:53.660 mainstream

01:05:54.080 Hollywood

01:05:54.540 director

01:05:55.060 to speak

01:05:55.900 about the

01:05:56.280 human

01:05:56.500 condition

01:05:56.940 and I

01:05:58.400 appreciate

01:05:58.840 that

01:05:59.260 it wasn't

01:05:59.900 the

01:06:00.160 Avengers

01:06:00.580 it was

01:06:03.180 a major

01:06:05.080 film

01:06:05.520 anyway

01:06:06.160 to go back

01:06:06.760 to what I

01:06:07.040 was saying

01:06:07.500 after some

01:06:08.980 of these

01:06:09.440 aspects of

01:06:10.220 the film

01:06:10.520 that I

01:06:10.880 was not

01:06:11.540 satisfied

01:06:12.040 with

01:06:12.440 Cooper

01:06:13.700 in a

01:06:15.340 very

01:06:15.520 2001

01:06:16.100 way

01:06:16.500 his

01:06:16.780 body

01:06:17.840 in a

01:06:18.120 space

01:06:18.360 suit

01:06:18.560 is

01:06:18.720 located

01:06:19.300 outside

01:06:19.760 of

01:06:19.980 Saturn

01:06:20.320 and

01:06:21.260 he's

01:06:22.080 brought

01:06:22.380 back

01:06:22.900 and what

01:06:23.300 you have

01:06:23.740 is that

01:06:24.800 Brant's

01:06:26.220 notion

01:06:26.640 the older

01:06:28.220 Professor

01:06:28.640 Brant's

01:06:29.060 notion

01:06:29.420 of

01:06:29.920 having

01:06:30.740 a

01:06:31.040 satellite

01:06:31.500 in space

01:06:32.240 where you

01:06:32.560 can

01:06:32.700 protect

01:06:33.160 Earth

01:06:33.600 that they

01:06:34.260 have

01:06:34.540 accomplished

01:06:35.000 this

01:06:35.420 and so

01:06:37.140 Cooper

01:06:38.740 is actually

01:06:39.300 brought

01:06:39.800 into this

01:06:40.560 satellite

01:06:41.020 and in

01:06:42.240 a way

01:06:42.780 I think

01:06:43.580 that

01:06:44.000 that

01:06:44.740 satellite

01:06:45.280 to take

01:06:45.980 this

01:06:46.240 to go

01:06:46.580 back

01:06:46.780 to this 0.97

01:06:47.140 silly 0.92

01:06:47.800 notion 0.98

01:06:48.220 of

01:06:48.580 Christopher

01:06:49.320 Nolan

01:06:49.680 challenging

01:06:50.760 our

01:06:51.460 movement

01:06:51.920 with this

01:06:52.960 film

01:06:53.240 in a way

01:06:54.340 I thought

01:06:54.700 that satellite

01:06:55.420 was almost

01:06:55.920 like the

01:06:56.280 bad form

01:06:57.240 of an

01:06:57.600 ethnostate

01:06:58.380 or

01:06:58.840 like

01:06:59.280 Elysium

01:06:59.840 or the

01:07:01.500 bad

01:07:01.720 form of

01:07:03.020 a conservative

01:07:03.700 suburban

01:07:04.300 fantasy

01:07:04.880 which was

01:07:05.860 Elysium

01:07:06.440 and so

01:07:07.180 what you

01:07:07.520 had is

01:07:08.040 that

01:07:08.340 they had

01:07:08.860 basically

01:07:09.140 created

01:07:09.500 a simulacrum

01:07:11.320 of

01:07:12.160 Earth

01:07:12.880 at some

01:07:13.440 period of

01:07:14.120 time

01:07:14.420 say Earth

01:07:14.940 in the

01:07:15.200 50s

01:07:15.660 and it's

01:07:16.680 almost like

01:07:17.220 this desire

01:07:17.800 that you

01:07:18.120 see

01:07:18.400 you see

01:07:18.720 this with

01:07:19.000 Glenn Beck

01:07:19.520 you see

01:07:19.780 this with

01:07:20.040 other Americans

01:07:20.660 of building

01:07:22.220 a suburban

01:07:23.100 fantasy

01:07:24.600 land

01:07:25.300 that is

01:07:26.420 based on

01:07:27.140 a particular

01:07:27.720 point of

01:07:28.240 time

01:07:28.420 it looks

01:07:29.440 like an

01:07:29.880 Indian

01:07:30.180 reservation

01:07:30.920 it weirdly

01:07:34.020 becomes

01:07:34.620 like that

01:07:35.100 and it's

01:07:35.660 not

01:07:36.000 development

01:07:36.460 there are

01:07:37.180 these

01:07:37.880 suburbs

01:07:39.000 in the

01:07:39.580 United

01:07:39.720 States

01:07:39.920 and in

01:07:40.180 a way

01:07:40.420 all

01:07:40.880 suburbs

01:07:41.360 are like

01:07:41.740 this

01:07:41.920 these

01:07:42.380 suburbs

01:07:42.620 in the

01:07:42.800 United

01:07:42.920 States

01:07:43.160 where

01:07:43.580 there's

01:07:44.080 a big

01:07:44.560 Catholic

01:07:45.080 suburb

01:07:45.600 in Florida

01:07:46.020 and it's

01:07:46.680 kind of

01:07:46.900 like

01:07:47.040 let's

01:07:47.380 recreate

01:07:47.820 1955

01:07:48.860 not

01:07:49.740 1956

01:07:50.460 because

01:07:51.060 by

01:07:51.380 56

01:07:52.360 the

01:07:53.280 sexual

01:07:53.620 revolution

01:07:54.140 was already

01:07:54.640 going

01:07:55.100 it was

01:07:57.060 irredeemable

01:07:57.680 but

01:07:57.920 55

01:07:58.520 that's

01:07:59.520 good

01:07:59.660 and

01:07:59.980 1953

01:08:00.580 that's

01:08:01.480 too early

01:08:02.060 you know

01:08:02.380 it was

01:08:02.780 too

01:08:03.020 conservative

01:08:03.540 we want

01:08:04.080 to

01:08:04.540 write

01:08:04.760 that was

01:08:05.080 a war

01:08:05.380 in Korea

01:08:05.900 right

01:08:06.200 so

01:08:07.520 and I'm

01:08:08.460 joking

01:08:08.780 but I

01:08:09.120 think

01:08:09.260 this is

01:08:09.760 this is

01:08:10.420 what that

01:08:10.780 satellite

01:08:11.160 is

01:08:11.480 that

01:08:11.660 satellite

01:08:12.160 is a

01:08:12.640 kind

01:08:12.820 of

01:08:12.980 white

01:08:13.340 suburb

01:08:14.060 which

01:08:14.660 is a

01:08:14.940 it's

01:08:15.320 a lie

01:08:15.980 about

01:08:16.600 what

01:08:17.200 humanity

01:08:17.740 really

01:08:18.060 is

01:08:18.480 and

01:08:19.540 I

01:08:19.980 think

01:08:20.360 Cooper

01:08:20.860 kind

01:08:21.340 of

01:08:21.480 rightly

01:08:21.900 understands

01:08:22.620 it

01:08:22.780 he's

01:08:23.200 there

01:08:23.500 for

01:08:23.940 mankind

01:08:25.520 eventually

01:08:26.620 because

01:08:27.280 if all

01:08:28.760 the story

01:08:29.340 is true 0.89

01:08:29.980 and he's

01:08:30.400 not dreaming

01:08:30.960 because he's

01:08:32.820 just drifting

01:08:33.640 you know

01:08:34.340 and dying

01:08:35.520 by lack

01:08:36.700 of oxygen

01:08:37.400 if all

01:08:38.800 is true 0.89

01:08:39.360 there will

01:08:39.940 be two

01:08:40.300 mankind

01:08:40.580 so one

01:08:41.800 mankind

01:08:42.280 around

01:08:43.040 Saturn

01:08:43.460 and another

01:08:44.520 one on

01:08:45.220 this new

01:08:45.640 planet

01:08:45.960 instead

01:08:47.020 of the

01:08:47.500 faraway

01:08:48.140 galaxy

01:08:49.120 maybe

01:08:49.940 a more

01:08:51.840 identitarian

01:08:53.940 humanity

01:08:54.780 around

01:08:55.940 Saturn

01:08:56.300 and a

01:08:56.760 more

01:08:56.920 faustian

01:08:57.360 one

01:08:57.700 in the

01:08:59.600 other

01:08:59.840 stellar

01:09:00.160 system

01:09:00.700 it's

01:09:01.720 not very

01:09:02.500 clear

01:09:02.900 eventually

01:09:03.420 what

01:09:03.920 tie will

01:09:05.400 remain

01:09:05.880 between

01:09:06.300 the two

01:09:07.040 settlements

01:09:08.740 but

01:09:09.300 you know

01:09:12.000 it's not

01:09:12.680 like there

01:09:13.220 are so many

01:09:13.720 is the

01:09:14.120 Atlantic Ocean

01:09:14.920 between the

01:09:15.500 two

01:09:15.720 there is a

01:09:17.700 black hole

01:09:18.340 and it's

01:09:20.100 not like

01:09:20.800 a super

01:09:21.700 highway

01:09:22.060 or

01:09:22.620 you know

01:09:23.500 a turnpike

01:09:24.200 it's

01:09:24.700 really something

01:09:26.200 to cross it

01:09:27.140 and so I

01:09:29.240 don't know

01:09:29.940 but you

01:09:31.060 know I

01:09:31.460 really thought

01:09:32.100 of Elysium

01:09:32.660 and I

01:09:33.120 didn't mention

01:09:33.980 it in my

01:09:35.220 review because

01:09:35.980 I didn't want

01:09:37.120 to go further

01:09:37.940 than the

01:09:38.680 launching of

01:09:40.560 the first

01:09:41.040 rocket

01:09:41.480 but

01:09:42.620 sorry for

01:09:44.760 the self

01:09:45.260 promotion

01:09:46.300 but last

01:09:46.960 year I

01:09:47.680 wrote a

01:09:48.160 review of

01:09:48.620 Elysium

01:09:49.020 and I

01:09:49.520 because I

01:09:50.700 thought it

01:09:51.960 was a

01:09:52.540 an allegory

01:09:53.620 of white

01:09:54.080 flight

01:09:54.440 and actually

01:09:56.000 it disappeared

01:09:57.280 when

01:09:57.760 alt-right

01:09:58.980 disappeared

01:09:59.840 too

01:10:00.320 so it's

01:10:01.960 impossible to

01:10:02.580 find the

01:10:03.040 article online

01:10:03.800 today

01:10:04.440 we can find

01:10:07.260 it somewhere

01:10:07.740 I'll find it

01:10:09.380 and put it

01:10:09.740 up I promise

01:10:10.180 we're going

01:10:10.540 to salvage

01:10:11.180 it

01:10:11.440 and

01:10:12.240 actually

01:10:14.020 because I

01:10:15.460 was really

01:10:15.900 mad when I

01:10:16.540 read the

01:10:16.960 reviews by

01:10:18.240 American

01:10:19.880 identitarians

01:10:20.960 then

01:10:21.600 they were

01:10:22.720 all saying

01:10:23.420 that we

01:10:23.940 should aim

01:10:24.620 at an

01:10:24.980 Elysium in

01:10:25.500 the sky

01:10:25.940 and actually

01:10:26.700 I really

01:10:27.980 didn't want

01:10:28.860 to leave it

01:10:29.540 of course

01:10:30.200 it's better

01:10:30.680 than what

01:10:31.780 is Los

01:10:32.720 Angeles

01:10:33.080 in this

01:10:34.160 movie

01:10:34.420 because

01:10:34.900 you are

01:10:36.820 with

01:10:37.240 educated

01:10:38.240 people

01:10:38.880 and

01:10:39.640 they are

01:10:40.460 not raping 0.54

01:10:41.320 grandmothers

01:10:41.900 and

01:10:43.420 they eat

01:10:44.400 other things

01:10:45.300 as KFC

01:10:46.540 and

01:10:46.920 watermelon

01:10:47.480 so

01:10:47.860 of course

01:10:49.380 it's

01:10:50.260 better

01:10:50.740 but

01:10:51.280 in a

01:10:52.040 way

01:10:52.240 it's

01:10:52.500 just

01:10:52.800 the

01:10:52.980 other

01:10:53.140 side

01:10:53.440 of the

01:10:53.700 coin

01:10:53.980 you have

01:10:54.640 boredom

01:10:55.340 and

01:10:55.680 suburban

01:10:56.720 life

01:10:57.360 and

01:10:57.660 people

01:10:58.760 saying

01:10:59.580 hi

01:11:00.060 and

01:11:00.540 you know

01:11:01.560 you know

01:11:03.480 just

01:11:04.960 waiting 0.99

01:11:06.620 to die 0.99

01:11:07.520 around 0.95

01:11:08.160 their

01:11:08.400 swimming

01:11:08.740 pool

01:11:09.240 and

01:11:09.560 with

01:11:10.240 their

01:11:10.440 fridge

01:11:10.900 that

01:11:11.220 makes

01:11:11.720 ice cubes

01:11:12.680 and

01:11:13.900 you know

01:11:14.460 making

01:11:15.580 BBQs

01:11:17.180 with

01:11:17.460 mulatto 1.00

01:11:18.500 neighbor

01:11:18.960 and

01:11:19.500 raising

01:11:20.760 the

01:11:21.080 flag

01:11:21.400 based

01:11:21.880 on

01:11:22.240 just

01:11:23.080 merely

01:11:23.820 based

01:11:24.380 on

01:11:24.600 wealth

01:11:25.100 and

01:11:25.440 not

01:11:25.780 consciousness

01:11:26.500 yeah

01:11:27.480 it

01:11:27.620 really

01:11:28.480 is

01:11:28.960 a

01:11:29.200 rich

01:11:29.680 and

01:11:29.940 it's

01:11:30.160 a

01:11:30.340 way

01:11:30.640 it's

01:11:31.040 a

01:11:31.200 way

01:11:31.560 society

01:11:32.780 is

01:11:33.040 defined

01:11:33.460 today

01:11:33.980 and

01:11:35.740 when

01:11:36.740 we

01:11:36.920 talk

01:11:37.140 about

01:11:37.400 social

01:11:37.780 classes

01:11:38.240 today

01:11:38.740 we

01:11:39.060 only

01:11:40.080 not

01:11:40.580 we

01:11:41.040 but

01:11:42.060 generally

01:11:43.100 people

01:11:44.060 talk

01:11:44.320 only

01:11:44.600 about

01:11:44.940 money

01:11:45.360 and

01:11:46.480 which

01:11:47.560 is

01:11:47.920 really

01:11:48.500 a

01:11:48.720 delusion

01:11:49.160 because

01:11:49.840 when

01:11:51.080 you

01:11:51.220 look

01:11:51.480 at

01:11:51.760 David

01:11:52.740 Cameron

01:11:53.200 or

01:11:53.720 Nicolas

01:11:54.820 Sarkozy

01:11:55.480 it's

01:11:57.480 really

01:11:57.700 people

01:11:58.000 who are

01:11:58.520 culturally

01:11:59.700 pros

01:12:00.560 you

01:12:01.160 know

01:12:01.340 they

01:12:01.560 have

01:12:01.740 bad

01:12:02.020 tastes

01:12:02.580 they

01:12:03.140 behave

01:12:04.060 like

01:12:04.780 dogs

01:12:05.540 and

01:12:06.740 it's

01:12:07.280 really

01:12:07.580 not

01:12:07.840 satisfying

01:12:08.560 to

01:12:09.140 define

01:12:10.900 people

01:12:11.260 by

01:12:11.500 their

01:12:11.740 wealth

01:12:12.060 but

01:12:12.820 anyway

01:12:13.340 in

01:12:13.720 Elysium

01:12:14.140 it's

01:12:14.540 the only

01:12:15.180 criteria

01:12:17.140 is

01:12:17.680 wealth

01:12:18.080 and

01:12:18.960 I

01:12:19.680 don't

01:12:19.880 think

01:12:20.080 it

01:12:20.220 would

01:12:20.380 really

01:12:20.940 be

01:12:21.280 an

01:12:21.480 interesting

01:12:21.900 society

01:12:22.560 so

01:12:23.540 you

01:12:23.780 would

01:12:23.920 have

01:12:24.100 people

01:12:24.440 with

01:12:24.800 maybe

01:12:25.420 nice

01:12:25.880 swimming

01:12:26.220 pools

01:12:26.660 and

01:12:26.920 hammers

01:12:27.500 and

01:12:27.820 you

01:12:29.040 know

01:12:29.280 they

01:12:29.560 have

01:12:29.720 an

01:12:29.880 automatic

01:12:30.360 machine

01:12:32.540 for

01:12:32.980 their

01:12:33.180 garden

01:12:33.580 okay

01:12:34.880 it's

01:12:35.620 nicer

01:12:36.300 than

01:12:36.620 living

01:12:36.880 in

01:12:37.120 Detroit

01:12:37.500 for

01:12:38.000 sure

01:12:38.320 but

01:12:38.720 I

01:12:41.440 don't

01:12:41.660 think

01:12:41.940 we

01:12:42.820 could

01:12:43.020 have

01:12:43.300 the

01:12:43.600 conversation

01:12:44.320 we're

01:12:44.640 having

01:12:44.920 now

01:12:45.200 with

01:12:45.460 such

01:12:45.820 people

01:12:46.180 and

01:12:48.340 so

01:12:48.860 Elysium

01:12:49.640 is a

01:12:49.960 disaster

01:12:50.360 and

01:12:50.940 that's

01:12:52.020 right

01:12:52.500 that in

01:12:53.040 Interstellar

01:12:53.720 to

01:12:53.900 finally

01:12:54.920 we're

01:12:55.220 talking

01:12:55.540 about

01:12:55.800 this

01:12:55.980 movie

01:12:56.280 maybe

01:12:59.120 in

01:12:59.360 interstellar

01:13:00.040 it's

01:13:00.560 kind

01:13:01.000 of

01:13:01.160 Elysium

01:13:01.600 we

01:13:01.900 don't

01:13:02.200 see

01:13:02.940 this

01:13:04.720 colony

01:13:05.200 that

01:13:05.560 much

01:13:05.880 so

01:13:06.160 I

01:13:06.820 can't

01:13:07.160 be

01:13:07.340 sure

01:13:07.620 but

01:13:08.000 it

01:13:08.980 looks

01:13:09.780 like

01:13:10.660 mankind

01:13:13.180 just

01:13:13.820 found a

01:13:14.960 way

01:13:15.220 to

01:13:16.280 press

01:13:16.660 pause

01:13:17.140 and

01:13:17.620 just

01:13:18.800 stay

01:13:19.180 there

01:13:19.500 and

01:13:20.340 maybe

01:13:20.720 a

01:13:21.220 group

01:13:21.480 and

01:13:21.900 Brent

01:13:22.780 so

01:13:23.280 Professor

01:13:24.080 Brent's

01:13:24.520 daughter

01:13:24.760 are going

01:13:25.580 to

01:13:25.800 recreate

01:13:26.320 a real

01:13:27.040 mankind

01:13:27.380 something

01:13:27.860 that

01:13:28.200 goes

01:13:28.560 forward

01:13:29.100 but

01:13:29.960 the

01:13:30.120 rest

01:13:30.400 of

01:13:30.580 mankind

01:13:30.880 just

01:13:31.500 they

01:13:32.520 didn't

01:13:32.800 want

01:13:33.140 to

01:13:33.360 go

01:13:33.740 even

01:13:34.220 further

01:13:34.720 and

01:13:35.200 living

01:13:36.060 earth

01:13:36.460 was

01:13:36.760 enough

01:13:37.060 for

01:13:37.280 them

01:13:37.520 but

01:13:38.420 they're

01:13:39.100 just

01:13:39.320 going

01:13:39.600 to

01:13:39.920 stay

01:13:40.300 in

01:13:40.500 their

01:13:40.900 huge

01:13:42.060 cylinder

01:13:42.560 and

01:13:43.120 waiting

01:13:44.580 for 0.98

01:13:45.060 death

01:13:45.400 it's

01:13:46.580 yeah

01:13:47.120 it is

01:13:47.860 a kind

01:13:48.120 of bad

01:13:48.580 ethnostate

01:13:49.260 it would

01:13:49.480 be as

01:13:49.880 if

01:13:50.220 America

01:13:51.140 collapsed

01:13:51.800 and

01:13:52.320 our

01:13:52.820 response

01:13:53.280 to it

01:13:53.640 was to

01:13:54.040 create

01:13:54.600 a

01:13:55.260 simulacrum

01:13:56.140 of

01:13:56.380 America

01:13:56.920 you know

01:13:58.300 in

01:13:58.900 Antarctica

01:13:59.920 or in

01:14:00.680 Australia

01:14:02.180 in some

01:14:02.720 desert

01:14:03.080 but it's

01:14:03.600 you know

01:14:03.940 we

01:14:05.100 recreated

01:14:05.840 something

01:14:06.320 that was

01:14:07.160 doomed

01:14:08.140 and

01:14:09.060 you know

01:14:10.140 that

01:14:10.800 I think

01:14:11.540 this is

01:14:11.980 a kind

01:14:12.280 of saying

01:14:12.640 I mean

01:14:12.860 that's

01:14:13.340 not the

01:14:13.760 answer

01:14:14.080 that's

01:14:14.600 a kind

01:14:14.820 of bad

01:14:15.480 identitarianism

01:14:16.500 and

01:14:17.520 you know

01:14:18.220 our real

01:14:18.900 identity

01:14:19.420 is

01:14:20.580 to 1.00

01:14:21.540 die

01:14:22.740 exploring

01:14:23.600 the moons

01:14:24.140 of

01:14:24.320 Jupiter

01:14:24.700 flying

01:14:27.820 into a

01:14:28.400 black hole

01:14:29.040 it's a

01:14:29.520 premium

01:14:30.020 you know

01:14:32.440 it's a

01:14:32.780 premium

01:14:33.140 brand

01:14:33.860 of

01:14:34.420 identity

01:14:35.060 we have

01:14:35.800 several

01:14:36.820 products

01:14:37.620 on

01:14:38.860 offer

01:14:39.240 and

01:14:39.640 there has

01:14:41.780 to be

01:14:42.420 a kind

01:14:43.580 of

01:14:43.740 product

01:14:44.380 so to

01:14:44.700 speak

01:14:45.060 for

01:14:45.660 everyone

01:14:46.200 and

01:14:46.520 not

01:14:47.580 everyone

01:14:48.240 is supposed

01:14:48.860 to die

01:14:49.400 on Jupiter 0.82

01:14:49.920 because

01:14:50.600 it would

01:14:51.740 be bad

01:14:52.420 for the

01:14:52.880 environment

01:14:53.420 but

01:14:54.900 we

01:14:55.680 can't

01:14:56.200 all

01:14:56.620 be

01:14:57.060 people

01:14:58.520 you know

01:14:59.720 content

01:15:00.800 with

01:15:01.340 working

01:15:02.080 in

01:15:02.600 home

01:15:03.040 depot

01:15:03.480 and

01:15:03.860 you know

01:15:04.760 buying

01:15:05.220 cement

01:15:05.860 for the

01:15:06.420 garden

01:15:06.760 you know

01:15:08.300 the way

01:15:09.140 I'm saying

01:15:09.740 it sounds

01:15:10.600 scornful

01:15:11.220 but

01:15:11.520 the only

01:15:12.900 bad thing

01:15:13.960 about that

01:15:14.480 is when

01:15:15.060 it is the

01:15:15.880 ideal of

01:15:16.500 the society

01:15:17.100 and politicians

01:15:17.880 are talking

01:15:18.580 about

01:15:18.940 how to

01:15:19.960 save

01:15:20.300 these jobs

01:15:20.960 which is

01:15:22.220 you know

01:15:22.720 statesmen

01:15:23.480 should

01:15:23.920 talk about

01:15:25.400 really

01:15:26.480 you know

01:15:27.180 high

01:15:27.540 things

01:15:27.980 like

01:15:29.200 how you

01:15:30.580 organize

01:15:32.300 more efficiently

01:15:34.360 your

01:15:35.060 state apparatus

01:15:36.580 to be

01:15:37.400 stronger

01:15:37.940 and

01:15:38.500 you know

01:15:39.280 to conquer

01:15:39.880 and to

01:15:40.860 provide

01:15:42.920 the best

01:15:43.600 elements

01:15:44.000 of your

01:15:44.380 society

01:15:44.960 the opportunities

01:15:46.380 to go

01:15:47.160 higher

01:15:47.840 and further

01:15:48.460 and not

01:15:49.440 how we

01:15:50.360 are going

01:15:50.740 to preserve

01:15:51.860 false

01:15:53.540 jobs

01:15:54.060 for

01:15:54.620 you know

01:15:56.740 overblown

01:15:57.620 middle class

01:15:58.600 and

01:16:00.240 that

01:16:00.840 is a

01:16:01.920 problem

01:16:02.240 and

01:16:02.600 I don't

01:16:03.320 really

01:16:03.880 see a

01:16:04.700 challenge

01:16:05.200 to that

01:16:05.860 in

01:16:06.420 today's

01:16:07.040 identitarianism

01:16:08.260 and

01:16:09.660 it's

01:16:11.100 one of

01:16:11.800 the

01:16:12.160 actually

01:16:13.900 one of

01:16:15.820 the reasons

01:16:16.260 is that

01:16:17.100 the young

01:16:18.920 people in

01:16:19.540 these movements

01:16:20.060 don't want

01:16:20.720 to challenge

01:16:21.420 their elders

01:16:22.380 and they

01:16:22.880 have to

01:16:23.320 they have

01:16:23.820 to overthrow

01:16:25.060 them

01:16:25.500 maybe not

01:16:26.260 physically

01:16:26.740 I would

01:16:27.600 like it

01:16:28.040 but

01:16:28.340 at least

01:16:29.200 symbolically

01:16:29.840 and

01:16:31.260 also

01:16:32.220 they have

01:16:33.220 to stop

01:16:33.600 being

01:16:33.820 reactionary

01:16:34.720 and

01:16:35.440 that's

01:16:37.120 another

01:16:37.700 problem

01:16:38.200 in

01:16:38.500 these

01:16:39.160 movements

01:16:39.660 you

01:16:41.300 experienced

01:16:42.020 that

01:16:42.440 in

01:16:43.060 Hungary

01:16:43.940 with

01:16:44.320 Jobik

01:16:44.760 who

01:16:45.500 are

01:16:45.760 really

01:16:46.300 the

01:16:46.560 worst

01:16:46.880 kind

01:16:47.280 of

01:16:48.020 ethnic

01:16:48.320 nationalist

01:16:48.960 that

01:16:49.560 we

01:16:49.920 can

01:16:50.120 imagine

01:16:50.540 I guess

01:16:51.320 I

01:16:54.000 guess

01:16:55.740 you agree

01:16:56.220 with that

01:16:56.720 but

01:16:57.020 I'm afraid

01:16:57.720 I do

01:16:58.160 agree

01:16:58.520 with you

01:16:58.960 but

01:16:59.680 you have

01:17:00.220 better

01:17:00.760 versions

01:17:01.920 of

01:17:02.140 identitarianism

01:17:03.760 like

01:17:04.540 in

01:17:04.900 France

01:17:05.320 which

01:17:06.960 of course

01:17:08.580 they are

01:17:09.180 not as

01:17:09.760 terrible

01:17:10.200 as 0.98

01:17:10.480 Jobik

01:17:10.780 but

01:17:11.140 I

01:17:15.640 think

01:17:15.900 they

01:17:16.100 would

01:17:16.400 blame

01:17:17.800 Koop

01:17:18.200 for

01:17:18.700 trying

01:17:19.380 to

01:17:19.620 save

01:17:19.900 mankind

01:17:20.240 and

01:17:22.960 they

01:17:23.380 would

01:17:23.660 join

01:17:24.520 the

01:17:24.760 mob

01:17:25.020 in

01:17:25.320 blaming

01:17:25.860 him

01:17:26.360 and

01:17:26.820 so

01:17:28.220 yeah

01:17:31.940 I agree

01:17:32.660 I think

01:17:33.220 this

01:17:33.620 I mean

01:17:34.020 just to

01:17:34.560 go back

01:17:34.840 to your

01:17:35.120 article

01:17:35.420 and

01:17:35.660 I

01:17:35.820 think

01:17:36.140 we

01:17:36.300 should

01:17:37.300 put

01:17:37.900 the

01:17:38.160 symbolic

01:17:38.700 bookmark

01:17:39.280 in the

01:17:39.520 conversation

01:17:40.020 but

01:17:40.560 just

01:17:40.720 to

01:17:40.820 go

01:17:40.900 back

01:17:41.060 to

01:17:41.140 your

01:17:41.260 article

01:17:41.520 I

01:17:41.800 think

01:17:42.120 one

01:17:43.340 interesting

01:17:44.820 thing

01:17:45.320 about

01:17:45.560 Interstellar

01:17:46.220 is it

01:17:46.500 is a

01:17:46.880 challenge

01:17:47.300 to us

01:17:47.960 and

01:17:48.680 I

01:17:48.960 think

01:17:49.240 it's

01:17:49.820 not

01:17:50.160 too

01:17:50.400 much

01:17:50.580 to

01:17:50.760 say

01:17:51.140 that

01:17:51.560 you

01:17:52.280 know

01:17:52.420 though

01:17:53.160 Christopher

01:17:53.520 Nolan

01:17:53.840 probably

01:17:54.960 didn't

01:17:55.380 make

01:17:55.700 this

01:17:55.920 movie

01:17:56.140 for us

01:17:56.640 as I

01:17:57.420 joked

01:17:57.680 he

01:17:58.800 seems

01:17:59.540 to

01:17:59.760 think

01:18:00.680 in

01:18:01.020 ways

01:18:01.460 that

01:18:01.660 we

01:18:01.800 do

01:18:02.020 he

01:18:02.240 and

01:18:02.460 his

01:18:02.600 brother

01:18:02.840 Jonathan

01:18:03.300 Nolan

01:18:03.600 and

01:18:03.880 they

01:18:04.640 have

01:18:04.840 worked

01:18:05.120 with

01:18:05.340 other

01:18:06.100 writers

01:18:06.500 and

01:18:06.800 I

01:18:07.080 think

01:18:07.360 they

01:18:08.460 they've

01:18:08.760 sometimes

01:18:09.260 taken

01:18:09.980 things

01:18:10.480 from

01:18:10.620 other

01:18:10.800 writers

01:18:11.120 and

01:18:11.460 you

01:18:12.520 know

01:18:12.700 emphasize

01:18:13.560 certain

01:18:14.020 things

01:18:14.300 and

01:18:14.420 brought

01:18:14.600 out

01:18:14.760 certain

01:18:14.960 themes

01:18:15.360 they

01:18:15.900 both

01:18:16.720 the

01:18:16.920 Nolan

01:18:17.160 seem

01:18:17.540 to

01:18:17.700 think

01:18:18.120 like

01:18:18.460 us

01:18:18.860 and

01:18:19.060 I

01:18:19.180 think

01:18:19.340 that

01:18:19.660 is

01:18:19.880 interesting

01:18:20.280 and

01:18:21.460 I

01:18:22.300 agree

01:18:22.660 that

01:18:22.980 what

01:18:23.580 he's

01:18:23.860 saying

01:18:24.160 is

01:18:24.360 a

01:18:24.740 great

01:18:24.960 challenge

01:18:25.420 to

01:18:25.580 us

01:18:25.760 and

01:18:25.880 something

01:18:26.180 to

01:18:26.340 think

01:18:26.540 about

01:18:26.820 but

01:18:27.060 let's

01:18:27.820 do

01:18:27.960 this

01:18:28.300 let's

01:18:29.400 put

01:18:29.540 a

01:18:29.660 bookmark

01:18:30.060 in

01:18:30.200 it

01:18:31.000 as

01:18:32.260 many

01:18:33.640 many

01:18:34.320 know

01:18:34.700 and

01:18:35.440 our

01:18:35.940 commenters

01:18:36.680 like to

01:18:37.040 make

01:18:37.200 fun

01:18:37.500 of

01:18:37.640 me

01:18:37.800 I

01:18:38.320 do

01:18:38.720 really

01:18:39.580 get

01:18:39.940 into

01:18:40.340 these

01:18:40.740 big

01:18:41.720 sci-fi

01:18:42.360 epics 0.75

01:18:42.880 2001

01:18:43.620 Solaris

01:18:44.540 I

01:18:45.860 think

01:18:46.060 Interstellar

01:18:46.700 could be

01:18:47.040 on that

01:18:47.320 mantle

01:18:47.620 now

01:18:48.020 some

01:18:48.600 others

01:18:49.020 and

01:18:49.920 so

01:18:50.100 I

01:18:50.260 think

01:18:50.580 we

01:18:50.760 should

01:18:51.720 at

01:18:51.900 some

01:18:52.140 point

01:18:52.360 really

01:18:52.660 return

01:18:53.360 to

01:18:53.660 these

01:18:53.900 films

01:18:54.320 and

01:18:54.600 maybe

01:18:54.780 even

01:18:54.980 talk

01:18:55.280 about

01:18:55.540 all

01:18:55.820 of

01:18:55.980 them

01:18:56.160 even

01:18:56.540 a

01:18:57.000 film

01:18:57.340 I

01:18:57.580 actually

01:18:57.860 rewatched

01:18:58.960 not

01:18:59.220 too

01:18:59.400 long

01:18:59.660 ago

01:19:00.000 Contact

01:19:00.700 which

01:19:01.160 is

01:19:01.280 a

01:19:01.400 kind

01:19:01.580 of

01:19:02.100 1990s

01:19:03.260 movie

01:19:03.740 attempt

01:19:05.200 at

01:19:05.680 being

01:19:06.580 interstellar

01:19:07.760 not

01:19:08.020 successful

01:19:08.500 but

01:19:09.000 still

01:19:10.540 kind

01:19:10.860 of

01:19:10.940 attempts

01:19:11.340 and

01:19:11.580 has

01:19:12.540 a lot

01:19:12.840 of

01:19:12.940 the

01:19:13.040 same

01:19:13.220 themes

01:19:13.660 and

01:19:14.080 a lot

01:19:14.600 of

01:19:14.780 parallels

01:19:15.320 in the

01:19:15.580 plot

01:19:15.840 as

01:19:16.020 well

01:19:16.180 but

01:19:16.980 anyway

01:19:18.260 I

01:19:18.460 think

01:19:18.760 it would

01:19:19.020 be good

01:19:19.100 to

01:19:19.220 kind

01:19:19.360 of

01:19:19.440 return

01:19:19.760 to

01:19:19.920 this

01:19:20.080 I

01:19:20.260 think

01:19:20.540 the

01:19:20.760 Faustian

01:19:21.520 science

01:19:21.940 fiction

01:19:22.280 is

01:19:22.600 a

01:19:22.940 theme

01:19:23.260 that

01:19:23.480 is

01:19:23.820 very

01:19:24.080 important

01:19:24.500 but

01:19:25.200 anyway

01:19:25.540 let's

01:19:26.000 put

01:19:26.200 a

01:19:26.500 book

01:19:26.840 market

01:19:27.160 in

01:19:27.400 it

01:19:27.540 right

01:19:27.900 now

01:19:28.280 and

01:19:29.080 Romain

01:19:29.600 it's

01:19:30.100 always

01:19:31.120 a

01:19:31.540 pleasure

01:19:31.840 to

01:19:32.240 have

01:19:32.460 you

01:19:32.580 on

01:19:32.700 the

01:19:32.800 podcast

01:19:33.160 and

01:19:33.960 let's

01:19:34.440 do

01:19:34.560 it

01:19:34.660 again

01:19:34.840 soon

RadixJournal - November 15, 2014

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