The long-awaited October surprise is here. This week brought scandalous revelations involving Joe Biden s son, Hunter Biden. We then move on to the scandal within the scandal, the deplatforming of leftist critics, and the question of what we should do about it.
00:02:39.840So let's talk about the Hunter Biden situation and then talk about deplatforming.
00:02:46.020I've been kind of itching to talk about deplatforming.
00:02:49.540I have a lot of things to say about it.
00:02:51.600I have a lot of things that I have said about it, but I have some more things.
00:02:56.280And I think this whole Hunter Biden situation is a great opportunity to talk about the bigger issue.
00:03:05.040It's a kind of secondary issue, but it's really the bigger issue, which is what do we do in this day and age as dissident intellectuals?
00:03:14.180But also, how is the world going to handle the situation?
00:03:18.360And I think we are kind of at the tail end of that free and open Internet era where anything went.
00:03:26.060I don't think anything is going to go in the future.
00:03:28.020But before we talk about that, let's talk about the Hunter Biden situation, because I'm sure you as a reactionary conservative were overjoyed.
00:03:36.500Finally, we've outed this scandalous, although Chad-like, I would say, Hunter Biden, child of empire, making millions, buying extremely rare Rolexes, which are visible in his photos, Easter eggs for those who have eyes to see.
00:06:17.080There's hints that there's strange pornography.
00:06:19.720There's a lot of very personal photos that does give it legitimacy, authenticity in the sense of this is real.
00:06:28.280This isn't just, you know, faked emails that someone wrote up.
00:06:31.580But Rudy Giuliani leaks it to the New York Post, which does give it a again, it adds another layer to it, which is that it's not the New York Times or it's not the Washington Post, to be frank, where all of the liberal media would accept it.
00:06:48.780But the New York Post gives it this kind of air of partisan Republican hackery, to be honest.
00:06:58.060And so first off, before we start talking about the deplatforming issue, what are your thoughts on this?
00:07:05.100Well, yeah, the irony, the irony that they spend the whole of Trump's presidency talking about how he's being influenced by the Russians, how the Russians interfered with the election campaign, how and this idea that the East is nasty, the East is right wing, the East is non woke, the East is all these bad things.
00:07:28.120And then it turns out that Mr. Biden has been gloating, I mean, boasting about how he instructed the Ukrainian government to sack this this lawyer that the company wanted sacked.
00:07:43.020And now it turns out that the company obviously, obviously employed his son because because his son had access to the vice president.
00:07:51.560There's no other possible reason in the emails. They all but say that's the case.
00:07:55.740Basically, they say that. And we know that he went to the Ukraine for some kind of discursive purposes.
00:08:03.740So it seems fairly obvious that we have a very Nixonian levels of corruption at the heart of the heart of the heart of the White House.
00:08:14.140I mean, that's where you've got a person whose son has got the job because he's his son interfering in another country's affairs, Ukraine's affairs, in order to basically kind of assist them and assist his son and whatever.
00:08:30.140Yeah, Watergate was kind of a mad caper.
00:08:33.940This, although there was a cover up, obviously, but this strikes me as is also kind of I mean, and I'm not trying to excuse Hunter Biden, but it strikes me as just the inevitable, you know, consequences of empire and that these scandals have been happening since Babylon.
00:08:50.480These scandals have been happening and these scandals are there and you keep you keep him from if you're if you're a political operator of any good sense, then you will keep all information you possibly can on people and you will release that.
00:09:03.940But the you know, if they like young boys or whatever, you won't you won't do anything about it.
00:09:09.140I mean, this is what used to happen in the British, the British whips, the Conservative Party in the 90s talked about this.
00:09:13.900They knew that they were conservative members of Parliament or I know pederasts or whatever, but you didn't reveal that to the public.
00:09:19.760You say to them, look, we've got a vote coming up and we might lose the vote and we'd rather like you to vote with the government line or, you know, we might have to release some information.
00:09:36.980And you and you do you do as you're told.
00:09:39.380And I don't know how long they've had this information.
00:09:42.100I mean, if Biden is correct and his son is over his drug habit, then presumably it's quite old photographs because you've got the images of him with what looks like a crack pipe or whatever.
00:10:08.260I mean, remember, this goes back to the 2013 Maidan affair, which was a color revolution.
00:10:13.840The term color revolution has kind of entered mainstream parlance again.
00:10:18.680And I know BD, I'm forgetting his first name at the moment, but but someone who was actually employed in the Trump administration for a little while and then was sacked after it was discovered that he spoke at a group called the Minkin Club, which I actually co-founded 15 years ago.
00:10:39.160But put that aside, he was talking about how they're going to pull a color revolution on Trump, which I think is a bit dubious.
00:10:48.200But nevertheless, you have this like geopolitical wheeling dealing.
00:10:53.820You have this attempt to spread democracy and also use utilize right wing elements.
00:11:01.060And if you look at the email written to Hunter Biden by the Ukrainian guy, he's complaining about the Svoboda party, which is this, I mean, national socialist aligned, you could say, hardcore nationalist anti-Russian group that was basically kind of empowered by this color revolution.
00:11:23.140And then it's kind of engaging in pushback on the, you know, power, you know, wheeler dealers who actually put them in power.
00:11:31.440I mean, it's it's all of these just kind of inevitable consequences of this stuff.
00:11:36.500But this prosecutor that he got fired was looking into this company, which was considered a corrupt company.
00:12:01.880Did a quite interesting video on this the other day, which is, well, you know, people are lying if they change their excuse.
00:12:08.620If they give one excuse and then you undermine that excuse and they give another excuse.
00:12:13.000And of course, their reason why you couldn't give a link because they were in total panic mode.
00:12:18.740Their Twitter and Facebook, the reason why you couldn't post that link was, first of all, oh, you might might be might have a virus on it that could damage your computer.
00:12:26.480And then when it wasn't that, it was something else.
00:12:28.560And then when it wasn't that, it was something else.
00:12:30.020Anything to prevent people to prevent presumably young people that will tend to use Twitter for their news source.
00:12:35.860But anyway, from spreading this information, ironically, when I say young, when I'm 40 at the end of the month, I mean younger than me.
00:12:47.680But ironically, the fact that they did this, of course, it's like these in Britain, you have these these these judicial this judicial implement where you could you block all reporting of a particular case.
00:13:03.680All reporting is blocked. And of course, that is almost almost almost backfires because everybody is absolutely fascinated by what this case is.
00:13:11.220The Streisand effect. Yeah, I think Barbara Streisand, I think, tried to suppress reporting on her home or something.
00:13:18.840And then that became a secondary scandal. And so more people saw her home than ever would have seen it if she just kind of allowed the paper to do its job.
00:13:28.120So that's it. And that's what this has kind of resulted in. And it's made people, I think, more.
00:13:32.900I hate this term. It's so cliched, but more kind of red pilled, more more more kind of aware.
00:13:37.520So if Keith was here, he says more kind of red pilled like more more more kind of red pilled about just how corrupt and how pro leftist and how biased the system is.
00:13:48.860And how unacceptable the power is that these are these organizations, Twitter and whatever, Google have that they can they can attempt to basically interfere in an election.
00:13:59.520But before we get to that, I want to talk about deplatforming.
00:14:02.560But before we get to it, I'm just going to float this perhaps somewhat irresponsibly the now there's an old there's there's almost an adage of, you know, if something's too good to be true, it usually is.
00:14:19.500But there's also a kind of secondary adage that if someone's story is just so bizarre, it's almost guaranteed to be truthful, because why would they make this up?
00:14:29.640And I'm almost I kind of tend to say that about this backstory.
00:14:35.440The backstory is just bizarre and it can't be exactly true.
00:14:40.940But but the fact that it's just so weird makes me think that this might be the case, that somehow a laptop repairman who's right wing got this hard drive to Giuliani.
00:14:52.080I mean, I think it's just weird, but maybe that means that it's correct.
00:14:57.280Yes, the idea that the idea that you couldn't you just couldn't make it up, but it's right.
00:15:05.140This is like whereas the Clint or the Podesta email leak, the Clinton emails, as they kind of became called from 2016 was WikiLeaks was at least operating through that.
00:15:19.880Stone seemed to be Roger Stone seemed to be exaggerating his influence in it all.
00:15:25.000But anyway, this strikes me as there's a lot of fingerprints of basically Stone himself is Bannon who knew about this and the girl who wrote the article in the New York Post who doesn't have any other bylines.
00:15:44.020Her name is Emma Joe or Joe Emma Morris.
00:15:51.380She has some kind of Israeli connections.
00:15:53.400I it's it's just in this world of Breitbart, the alt like the very, very strongly pro pro Bibi Netanyahu type Zionism.
00:16:05.020I mean, this in a way doesn't change anything, but I just I'm I'm wondering if Bibi has got dirt on literally everyone.
00:16:15.880And it's that this whole laptop repairman thing is kind of a cover story, to be honest, that they they got this through other means because it's being it's being pushed by these the kind of Breitbart type Breitbart writ large, which is very pro Israeli.
00:16:35.520Now, Bibi Netanyahu and Israel would do business with most anyone.
00:16:42.340They would certainly do business with Joe Biden.
00:16:45.660But there is a very strong, you know, Zionist element with the Trump people of move the embassy to Israel.
00:16:54.160That wouldn't have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected, you know, totally dispense with the Palestinians, do do all this very hard stuff.
00:17:03.460And if you're going to go down that conspiracy theory road, it's also worth mentioning that there is a strong anti-Semitic element on the left, clearly.
00:17:11.640And that's been that's been demonstrated in the in Britain very conspicuously with Jeremy, Jeremy, with Jeremy Corbyn and his group.
00:17:20.020But similarly, even among the Democrats and these far left, extreme left.
00:17:25.180The squad, there's a big push in within the Democratic coalition of being anti-Zionist.
00:17:33.960I'm just saying that if this was if this kind of information was gathered through governments and passed through certain imbissaries, it wouldn't surprise me.
00:18:17.200If it's one or the other, I'd be more inclined towards the view that with a lot of these broad conspiracies and things, they have a tendency of leaking.
00:18:27.080And so consequently, it's not that unreasonable if you have some kind of extraordinary story like this, that these kinds of things do happen.
00:18:34.600I mean, for example, T.E. Lawrence, not Lawrence of Arabia, wrote his memoirs and then just left them on a train.
00:18:43.640And in those days, no computers or anything.
00:18:46.940So you just had to retype them from scratch.
00:18:50.220They're just normal people, these people get into positions of power.
00:18:53.500OK, on average, they're slightly more intelligent and they have slightly higher general factor of personality.
00:18:57.700And at extreme levels, they are much more intelligent and have slightly higher sort of psychopathic traits.
00:19:01.860But to a great extent, they're normal people.
00:19:05.900And with that, with his son, you're dealing with somebody, a person who is a drug addict, who has all kinds of psychological problems.
00:19:13.700And so one can imagine that he's quite lackadaisical.
00:19:16.240He's quite erratic and disorganized, that he was going to have a computer.
00:19:20.520We all do with lots of photographs of his family and himself and lots of lots of stuff you wouldn't want other people to see.
00:19:25.840He's going to forget about it because he goes through loads of laptops because he drops them when he's on drugs and things and they get broken.
00:19:57.980You know, I mean, I've done a book on this.
00:20:00.080Churchill said, master, these kinds of people go into these kinds of things.
00:20:03.420He took his laptop in to get fixed and it had photographs on it that resulted in him getting a criminal record for downloading underage porn.
00:20:09.780And these kinds of things occur, I'm afraid.
00:20:46.600The one that seemed to have his life together was Beau Biden.
00:20:50.380And he died of, you know, non-suspicious circumstances.
00:20:55.560But, yes, Hunter does just, he does strike you as the kind of maladjusted playboy type who wants to get rich and have fun and knows, look, he knows who's buttering his bread.
00:21:16.280I mean, it's, it's again, I'm not defending him.
00:21:18.340It's just, it's a story as old as time.
00:21:21.800But, yeah, I'm, again, I'm just kind of suspicious about this in terms of the people involved and people who knew about it early on.
00:21:30.560But, again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a wild story just is what it is.
00:21:38.540But, let's move on to the secondary scandal, but I think it's the real scandal.
00:21:46.560So, I woke up the day before yesterday and, you know, this, I was seeing a lot of chatter about this on Twitter and I was kind of curious what it was.
00:21:58.680But I, of course, couldn't find the link.
00:22:01.100The New York Post Twitter account was not accessible for a little while.
00:22:05.860Some major figures, I think the president's press secretary, her private account was suspended.
00:22:12.020I, you know, I'm, I'm maybe missing some details here, but you get the point.
00:23:25.660And again, you know, if, if someone is going to accuse me of floating conspiracy, or it's not really, well, it kind of is a conspiracy theory, but it's just floating.
00:23:35.160You know, there might be more of a backstory to this thing.
00:23:39.080In terms of there's a massive Twitter outage that affects us all the day after there was this scandal of suppressing news.
00:23:47.680I mean, it might be a coincidence, of course, but just everyone thinks this, that they, they were either doing some massive update, changing all the stuff.
00:23:57.660They were just shutting things down because things were out of control.
00:24:18.460It reminded me of documentaries I've seen about the fag end of the Soviet Union in places like Romania, where then everybody, they're not even reporting that the Berlin Wall has come down.
00:34:09.440But the other thing I wanted to add, though, I was thinking about this, was we talked a lot in our discussions about this polarization and Turkin's idea and the idea that America is on the brink of a civil war, according to his modeling.
00:34:21.300And what I was thinking about was, well, perhaps the problem is that in previous cycles, you have all of these things now that militate against the possibility of a civil war in the traditional sense.
00:34:39.120So let's think about the civil war in Northern Ireland in the 70s.
00:34:51.260You have the possibility of a traditional on-the-ground civil war for a person, unwatched, and go in somewhere and plant a bomb and whatever.
00:35:05.000And then secondly, you have a society that was much higher in these kinds of group values of in-group loyalty and respect for authority and things like that,
00:35:16.000and lower in individualistic values and, in particular, harm avoidance.
00:35:20.360And so the idea of harm avoidance, so harm avoidance, killing people, killing your enemies, shooting your enemies, we're now very, very high in harm avoidance.
00:35:27.800And so even to the extreme left, OK, there's some nutters that will kill other people.
00:35:31.480The idea of physically hurting somebody or killing them is anathema in a society which is so low in this harm avoidance moral foundation.
00:35:49.820I think that's what it is, and it's not quite a civil war because I would – I think we need to distinguish between a real civil war and civil unrest.
00:35:59.120We are seeing more civil unrest than we've seen in quite some time, and this did start in 2016, in fact, with Antifa, and if I may say so, me getting attacked in broad daylight while on camera, just someone attacking me.
00:36:59.860You had a planter elite that was connected in many ways but distinguished from a East Coast traditional political and economic elite.
00:37:08.780And they had two different visions for how North America is going to be settled and work.
00:37:15.440And they clashed, and they were – even though it was a secessionary feud, they were battling over sovereignty and legitimacy and territory in some ways.
00:37:27.020I mean, the South did want slavery to expand throughout the country, by the way.
00:37:31.140But now the elite is all on the same page.
00:37:38.700There's no – the Proud Boys aren't the elite or some guy.
00:37:43.080So it's just street huggery and violence, and it's almost sadder.
00:37:48.860It depends how you define elite because you have intra-elite competition according to this Turkin modelling.
00:37:56.880And so these people, people who are educated and whatever, who are on the far right, they are part of the elite in that sense.
00:38:04.600And therefore they – although they don't have much power, but they are kind of broadly part of the elite, which is why they're considered so dangerous by the left-wing mob if you're a sort of elitist as they see it and on the far right.
00:38:15.800So that is an example of an alternative elite that might not have much power.
00:38:33.400I mean, I'm saying in a situation where the government is – where the structures of society are so strong and people are so controlled and people – you know, you'll be watched all the time.
00:38:45.900You could be your DNA and all this stuff that can be very difficult to get away with crime, which is, then what form is a civil war or the nearest thing to a civil war going to take?
00:39:01.240And that's what I was wondering about.
00:39:02.600And I was wondering, like, this is the nearest thing that's possible to it.
00:39:32.220I mean, the level of distrust – I was actually doing this thing for our election piece that I need to finish up next week.
00:39:41.440But, you know, people – conservatives are more suspicious of their daughter marrying a Democrat than they are of their daughter marrying an African American.
00:39:51.100Like, it's – they – this – it's – polarization has created these, like – these things that we've seen throughout history in terms of race and tribe and religion are now in terms of do you pull the lever for these two political parties.
00:40:06.000But the irony is nothing really changes in the sense of your – yeah, your identity is MAGA or your identity is I'm a liberal who hates MAGA.
00:40:16.040But you're still just voting for the system.
00:40:18.680I mean, it's this weird kind of fake civil war that I don't think is ever going to actually – it's never going to be a civil war of old where there's a real battle for – you know, there are coups.
00:40:30.240There's – there's, you know, two armies that used to wear the same – you know, march under the same flag fighting each other.
00:40:47.920– getting away, some kind of fissioning.
00:40:50.540And that's what I think is increasingly happening.
00:40:52.780I mean, the idea that this – what was this woman called, this Afghan or something that is studying Oxford University, as she was in the news a lot.
00:40:59.420And she put out a favourable comment about a friend of hers that's standing to be the head of Oxford University Conservative Association.
00:41:06.520And she was, like, condemned online for having a friend who was a member of the Conservative Party.
00:41:10.540And that – there was a tea company, and Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Britain, Asian, by the way, was shown drinking that tea company's tea.
00:41:23.900And they put out a thing where we don't support the Conservatives, by the way.
00:41:41.500But – and if that moves back the other way, swings back, then – which it did under Thatcher to some extent, and in Britain, then that's more of a sort of cultural revolution.
00:41:54.100– I don't think it's going – I don't think it can swing back because the way the right is articulated doesn't know how to do what the left does.
00:42:03.640And, you know, there's an asymmetry – granted, this is American-centric, so it might be slightly different.
00:42:09.220But there's a bit of an – but I don't think it is, actually.
00:42:12.300There's an asymmetry between Fox News and The New York Times, just to use two – different media, but, you know, bear with me.
00:42:21.420The New York Times never says things like, well, I'm glad both sides will be heard this time.
00:42:27.640Or, you know, we're going to take back America for, you know, the citizens of this country.
00:42:33.480You know, let's undermine that conservative media out there.
00:42:49.620Conservatives for the last 30 years in the Fox News era have been always articulating themselves from this, you know, accurate in some degree inferiority complex of we're pushing back against the elite.
00:43:06.660Well, that – where does that really go?
00:43:09.160So the Fox News stuff is kind of like, you know, it's not – I don't want to use the word propaganda, but it's – you know what it is.
00:44:04.380And so – but you do get these swings, these movements, because, as I've said, you've got these five moral foundations.
00:44:10.840The left are only interested in two of them, which is fairness and equality and harm avoidance.
00:44:16.400And the right are interested in all five.
00:44:18.380And so what you eventually get always is a situation – the others being authority, disgust and in-group loyalty.
00:44:26.800And what this means is that the right will sympathise with the left.
00:44:30.260The left will not sympathise with the right.
00:44:32.300And so the left can always hijack the culture and take things in an ever more left-wing direction.
00:44:36.980And the right will let them do that because it's a one-way system of sympathy.
00:44:41.440But eventually that needs – because the left will sympathise with the right because they share some values.
00:44:47.020The right will sympathise with the left because they share some values.
00:44:49.240But the left does not sympathise with the right's values of disgust and in-group loyalty and authority.
00:44:55.660And so, therefore, things always move in a more and more left-wing direction until you basically have a situation – because we are adapted to have all five of these moral foundations – where the majority of people are extremely unhappy.
00:45:12.940The majority of people are disgusted and horrified all the time.
00:45:16.980And then people start to talk about this.
00:45:19.040People start to realise that others feel the same way.
00:45:21.320You end up with a challenge to the system.
00:45:23.140And then you have a movement back in a right-wing direction.
00:45:25.880And what this will often be led by is people who are very high in in-group loyalty, in authority, and in disgust, and very low, very low in harm avoidance and inequality.
00:45:38.620And the consequence of that will often be that you'll end up with wars, expansionist wars, and very nasty situations, you know, right-wing tyranny.
00:45:48.820And then you'll get a move back towards the left.
00:45:50.980And that's why things tend to go in these swings.
00:45:52.760And if you think in England, for example, you have this movement left pretty much from the war, all from the 50s, sorry, in the 60s, goes left, left, left, left, left.
00:46:25.040And so then you get the Blairite revolution.
00:46:27.420And now we've had a kickback against that in England over the last 10 years.
00:46:31.600But the problem is that they've, in that period, they've taken over the culture in such an extreme way.
00:46:38.140I don't totally disagree with looking at personality profiles in terms of this.
00:46:43.980I just think the arrow is pointing in one direction.
00:46:48.460I mean, the general hegemonic discourse is so strong towards it because it's based on fundamentally liberalism and a kind of Christian heresy that we're just going in a direction.
00:47:01.540And when we react, we don't consolidate any wins.
00:47:05.920You know, it's like there have been these right-wing reactions that haven't really gone anywhere.
00:47:32.360You know, my eight-year-old is transitioning.
00:47:34.280I mean, this is unthinkable a decade ago, even five years ago.
00:47:38.800It's now mainstream, and this occurred under Trump.
00:47:41.400So we are – the culture is just going in a direction, and I think if we're going to fight back, there has to be an extremely strong re-articulation that the right is not good enough.
00:48:20.980It should be an episode of South Park where Randy goes to watch these games and gets into fights with the dads every time, and they play the –
00:49:04.500Let me do one more thing before we go because this – I do like to at least offer some kind of solution and then criticize what's happening now, offer a solution, but then also offer a kind of critical view of this, of saying this would be a solution, but let's just be realistic about the way the world's headed.
00:49:26.840So what the right is now excited about is – and this is, again, this is American-centric, but I imagine there are analogs in Britain and all over Europe.
00:49:37.460What the right is getting excited about now is removing this Section 230 from the – I think it's like the Standards and Decency Act of broadcasting.
00:49:49.960I'm just going to read a press release by Stephen Hawley from last summer, 2019, and you'll kind of see where this is going because this is quite operative right now.
00:50:02.380Hawley is calling for Jack Dorsey to be taken before Congress and read the Riot Act, so to speak.
00:50:11.520Today, U.S. Senator Josh Hawley, Republican of Missouri, introduced the Ending Support for Internet Censorship Act, a major update to the way big tech companies are treated under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, CDA.
00:50:26.680Senator Hawley's legislation removes the immunity big tech companies receive under Section 230 unless they submit to an external audit that proves by clear and convincing evidence that their algorithms and content removal practices are politically neutral.
00:50:45.740Senator Hawley's legislation does not apply to small and medium-sized tech companies.
00:50:49.960With Section 230, this is Senator Hawley speaking, tech companies get a sweetheart deal that no other industry enjoys, complete exemption from traditional publisher liability in exchange for providing a forum-free of political censorship.
00:51:03.520Unfortunately, and unsurprisingly, big tech has failed to hold up its end of the bargain.
00:51:11.280This is what is being offered by – effectively by Trump.
00:51:15.200I mean, he's monitoring the situation, but this is the – this is where the rubber would hit the road if the Republicans or Trump-aligned Republicans actually do something.
00:51:24.920The Libertarian Republicans are like, it's a private company.
00:51:28.160But this is where some Trump-aligned people are saying we're going to do something.
00:51:32.480And this is where this just doesn't work.
00:51:34.860First off, in terms of being politically neutral, it's already codifying things in terms of Democrats and Republicans.
00:51:45.620Well, you and I arguably would not be protected under that because we're not always talking about, you know, both sides of the latest political issue.
00:51:55.600We're talking about stuff that gets denounced often by both sides of the political spectrum.
00:52:03.460And I wonder if this kind of language, which is there at the beginning, would actually protect real alternative thought and not just some conservative on Twitter who got a little wild on Saturday night.
00:52:15.600Secondly, if they don't submit to this, you know, audit of their algorithms and community patrolling or whatever they call it, then they'll be immune from that removal of liability.
00:54:58.660It should simply be that if you are a company that operates in the United States, then you must uphold the Constitution of the United States.
00:56:50.460As this is the simple solution, it's infinitely better than this Hawley 230, let's sue them into oblivion, make money off the deal thing, which I hate.
00:57:01.480No, it shouldn't have to involve lawyers, no.
00:57:05.760But I don't think it's going to happen because we're – I think the age of the free and open internet has ended.
00:57:14.980And what we were able to do, we kind of overplayed our hand, at least some of us who were getting really outlandish on the internet.
00:57:22.160But I just don't think this is going to be allowed to happen in the future because the elite is now properly viewing Twitter and Facebook as the New York Times, as CNN, as NBC.
00:57:38.240They're viewing these as the media of power dissemination or the way that information flows.
00:57:48.680And they're just not going to allow it to be the kind of like weird sibling of the mainstream media.