RadixJournal - God's Foreign Policy

00:00:00.000 The fix is in. So in other words, they they want Trump to win is the thinking.

00:00:05.840 Right. So the left wants Trump to win. And so they should.

00:00:09.400 So in other words, so we can look at that town hall he had that everyone says was such a disaster and think, well, they want Trump to win.

00:00:18.080 Right. Because they think he has a weaker chance against Biden than ironically enough than DeSantis.

00:00:26.260 Right. First off, I think that that's actually incorrect.

00:00:30.000 But but whether they have that perception or not, that's a fair suggestion.

00:00:36.080 I think we're all in like in the darkness of our souls.

00:00:41.200 Like, don't you just want this?

00:00:44.120 You know, like, you know, like whenever I remember hearing someone interviewed, I think it was like the Dallas Cowboys player.

00:00:52.700 It was like Micah Parsons, the linebacker.

00:00:54.880 And they were like, well, you know, you might face Brady in the playoffs like, you know, are you going to be rooting for the other team against Brady?

00:01:04.000 And he was like, no, I'm rooting for Brady.

00:01:05.980 I want Brady to win.

00:01:07.080 I want to beat Brady.

00:01:08.120 And now that that's obviously he's a NFL football player.

00:01:13.140 He's a tough guy, you know, kind of thing.

00:01:15.600 But, you know, like, don't you just in the depth of your soul, like ultimately want this monumental conflict to take place?

00:01:27.320 I mean, it's first off is just merely more entertaining.

00:01:31.300 But don't you just you want to see the heavyweight bout?

00:01:34.900 You don't want to see Mike Tyson go up against a tomato can.

00:01:39.380 You want to see him go up against the Holyfield.

00:01:43.220 You know, like you just I don't know.

00:01:45.640 I do.

00:01:46.020 I do. 0.99

00:01:47.520 But there's some shrill, annoying white liberals who are like, oh, my gosh, Trump should be illegal. 0.97

00:01:54.440 We should have good people on both sides kind of thing. 0.98

00:01:58.640 I that there's some people like that.

00:02:01.160 They're weak.

00:02:02.500 I think if you if you have any like red blood in your pumping through your body, you just want this monumental conflict.

00:02:13.280 I mean, I mean, surely I'm speaking for everyone here just on a visceral level.

00:02:17.680 Like, let's do this.

00:02:19.360 Yeah. 0.51

00:02:19.500 The left would love to destroy Donald Trump again.

00:02:22.260 Have another chance at him in the election, I think, just to tear him apart.

00:02:26.340 And I think they have an entire like arsenal that they're getting ready, like legally and all other sorts of things to just come after him.

00:02:32.800 So I think they I think they feel slighted to it.

00:02:34.980 The fact that he won in 2016 still they want to come after him again.

00:02:40.600 Yeah.

00:02:40.820 Yeah. Well, there's certainly more entertainment value to Trump.

00:02:44.900 Right. Yeah.

00:02:45.920 So and and the existential quality.

00:02:48.980 I mean, let's just imagine this.

00:02:51.000 So the Alvin Bragg thing, actually, Ty Cobb, who was like Trump's lawyer for a time or whatever, he said that Trump should prepare for like a year jail sentence or something, which seems a bit, to be honest, excessive for like this kind of crime.

00:03:06.640 I don't know. I guess I'm kind of cynical, but whatever.

00:03:10.740 But in, you know, like there might very well be an indictment.

00:03:16.180 There is going to be some kind of announcement of an indictment in Georgia.

00:03:20.100 And that could happen like next week or a month from now.

00:03:27.580 Yeah. And the Jack Smith thing is real.

00:03:30.440 I mean, he like I follow that not not as intently as as shrill liberals, but, you know, I kind of will see little things popping up like he's filing motions constantly.

00:03:42.880 And I mean, you know, so Trump would be running for his life.

00:03:49.640 I mean, he would be indicted facing jail and he would over the Mar-a-Lago classified documents over J6, perhaps with Jack Smith as well and over the Georgia phone call and then there and then just throw into the mix.

00:04:06.640 You know, the bookkeeping would store me paying off a porn star or whatever in New York.

00:04:13.100 He'll be running in order to avoid jail time or at the very least house arrest or whatever they're going to do with the former president.

00:04:20.980 But but whatever that the stakes will be existential.

00:04:25.460 All right. Anyone want to jump in on this or I have kind of another little angle that I'm.

00:04:30.240 That I have some interest in go for it.

00:04:34.120 OK, OK, so.

00:04:37.760 This just interests me, so David Sachs.

00:04:43.120 There are two Sachs right now who are of importance in the world.

00:04:48.380 There's Jeffrey Sachs and David Sachs.

00:04:50.480 I don't think they're directly related.

00:04:53.940 And they are both pretty avidly pro Russia.

00:05:00.240 For whatever reason, I mean, we could kind of go into that.

00:05:04.900 David Sachs is the the bet noire or one of the bet noires for for Charles and his muckraking efforts.

00:05:14.240 And he is a.

00:05:18.000 You know, part of the PayPal mafia connected with Teal and Musk and all of them and an investor of.

00:05:27.740 Some kind of legitimacy, who knows, but also someone who's put on the paleo conservative hat.

00:05:34.340 So he is giving donations and writing articles for the American conservative magazine is kind of part of this NatCon culture that we've talked about that's out there.

00:05:48.600 He has some connections to the Claremont Institute, et cetera.

00:05:54.240 Also, Jewish Zionist.

00:05:57.320 Shouldn't surprise anyone.

00:06:01.100 So he was I mean, the the Musk town hall or space actually occurred on his account because apparently the Musk account was made it too popular.

00:06:14.340 So they went to someone with many fewer followers and they got it done.

00:06:23.200 He went on Fox News and he's been going on a lot of these podcasts.

00:06:27.780 He actually even went on Jackson Hinkle's live stream.

00:06:31.120 So I doing something like that indicates to me that he is like very keyed in with Russia.

00:06:41.220 I mean, he went on Jimmy Dore.

00:06:42.540 He's been dipping his toe into people, probably less so Dore, but but undoubtedly with Jackson Hinkle, like dealing with an actual like asset of the Kremlin.

00:06:56.940 I mean, it gets a little bit edgy when you start doing stuff like that.

00:07:02.020 But he went on Laura Ingram's program afterward.

00:07:08.140 And I guess we can like go into the idiosyncrasies of all this.

00:07:14.420 But I also had kind of like a broader point to make.

00:07:18.140 So he was on Laura Ingram's program and they were talking about the space and Laura Ingram was saying, well, you know, what is Ron DeSantis's perspective on Ukraine?

00:07:31.380 Because he's kind of played it both ways.

00:07:33.940 There was a time maybe about, I don't know, three or six months ago where Tucker Carlson asked for a statement from all of the major political candidates.

00:07:43.860 And Ron DeSantis gave a statement that was kind of, you know, had some escape clauses here and there, but it was kind of pushing towards the Trump side of things.

00:07:58.260 Trump basically said, you know, he was asked at that town hall, do you want Ukraine to win?

00:08:03.360 And he didn't answer.

00:08:04.380 He basically says, you know, I want to stop the dying, which is basically a pro-Russian perspective at this point.

00:08:12.160 I mean, it's Ukraine that's under attack.

00:08:16.560 So then Ron DeSantis went on the Piers Morgan program and he quoted a line, although not attributed to him, but he quoted a line from John McCain, which basically said that Russia is a gas station with nuclear weapons.

00:08:34.660 Which is pretty harsh, but maybe not untrue.

00:08:42.680 But yeah, obviously Russia is more than that and history is more than that, but it's, you know, shorthand.

00:08:49.580 And that, that kind of insult seemed to indicate that he was on board with the neocons.

00:08:58.700 Certainly the Republican establishment to some degree, and I think to a large degree, likes DeSantis.

00:09:05.600 I mean, Jeb said this is DeSantis' time and all this kind of stuff.

00:09:10.880 So there's this kind of like question of who is he and where is he on this very important question.

00:09:19.460 And Jeffrey Sachs is being, or David Sachs, sorry, I'm mixing them up.

00:09:23.640 David Sachs is being interviewed by Laura Ingram.

00:09:25.900 And he, he said, you know, oh yeah, I'm, I'm really against wars of choice.

00:09:33.760 And that's what this is.

00:09:35.020 This is a proxy war of choice.

00:09:36.780 So he's kind of mixing his terminology there, but he's basically saying that we are engaged in a proxy war against Russia.

00:09:46.720 And it was a war of choice in the sense that we, we chose to get in, maybe most defensively, we chose to get involved to defend Ukraine.

00:09:55.340 We, we, we could have just let them, you know, suffer the consequences or even, and I'm sure many of, you know, many, many on the right believe this, that we instigated this war.

00:10:07.760 That, that really Putin is, is a victim in all this.

00:10:11.620 We created this, this Ukraine invasion. 1.00

00:10:14.640 Um, and Laura Ingram agreed with him.

00:10:18.640 So there's a lot to say there in terms of like all of the ins and outs of, of why is Sachs so vehement about this issue?

00:10:29.980 Why does he take this position?

00:10:32.780 Uh, but there's another thing just kind of like on a broader level, because, you know, I've been around, I'm 45 years old.

00:10:41.660 I can remember these things.

00:10:42.880 I can remember Laura Ingram and Ann Coulter and all of these people being fanatical Iraq war promoters and, you know, particularly Ann Coulter.

00:10:57.480 She was doing like workshops at CPAC about how to get your professor fired for treason if he denounces George W. Bush in the classroom.

00:11:06.680 I mean, it was just totally grotesque, vicious type stuff.

00:11:12.260 The rhetoric. 0.96

00:11:12.840 Ann Coulter after 9-11 said that we should bomb their cities and convert them to Christianity.

00:11:19.100 And, you know, Ann Coulter was part of the neocon attack on anyone in the right who opposed the, the paleo conservatives in particular, but really anyone who was lukewarm on the war.

00:11:34.040 And now they're talking like paleo conservatives and, and, and using paleo language as well, which is interesting.

00:11:42.720 And I was just thinking about this.

00:11:45.360 So what, what is happening here?

00:11:49.120 And there, there's some plausible explanations.

00:11:51.720 One of them is that they've learned something from the Iraq experience.

00:11:59.220 Now I have a rather jaundiced, uh, take on the right.

00:12:07.040 So it's hard for me to agree that they've learned anything, but who knows?

00:12:14.840 Uh, the other thing is that they've just kind of gone along with Trump.

00:12:18.520 Trump put himself out there during, um, the South Carolina debate in early 2016.

00:12:25.360 He just said, you know, Bush lied, people died.

00:12:29.160 They knew they didn't have weapons of mass destruction and they went in any way.

00:12:33.280 It was a big whopper of a mistake or something like that.

00:12:36.780 And that that was just so bold that it kind of got in their head.

00:12:40.900 Maybe some of those things are occurring, but I wonder if there's something kind of bigger going on here.

00:12:47.960 Cause you could also say that these conservatives granted, um, Laura Ingram would have been a lot younger, uh, in, during the cold war, but, you know, she was, she graduated from Dartmouth in the eighties.

00:13:00.520 She, she would have experienced the cold war as an adult.

00:13:05.240 I didn't.

00:13:06.300 I mean, the cold war was over by the time I was 10 or something.

00:13:10.180 I do have certain memories of it, but, uh, I certainly wasn't a, uh, conscious, you know, thinking person at that time.

00:13:18.620 But it seems like these conservatives would be the ones who would really take to a, a new neo cold war environment.

00:13:27.560 You know, that this would be in their wheelhouse, just a, just a, a, a softball thrown over the middle of the plate that they could knock out of the park. 0.96

00:13:36.540 You know, it's like, well, this is an attack on freedom and we have to oppose this, you know, Russian empire, which might very well be evil. 0.99

00:13:47.160 And, you know, we, we need a strong home front in order to beat the commies or something like that.

00:13:54.040 But they haven't, they've gone the exact opposite route.

00:13:57.840 The, the exact opposite thing that you would expect them to do, you know, at least hypothetically, if you, if you were like a, a foreigner who had read a bunch about American history, you would basically say, oh, well, of course the right will be fanatically anti-Russian.

00:14:15.320 Uh, but they're not, they're the opposite.

00:14:17.300 And so what is it, what, what exactly is going on?

00:14:22.100 And I was just thinking about this.

00:14:24.760 I, I wonder if it's the case that the reason why they don't like this war is because it is a kind of, you know, int, intrafamilial battle between Europeans that they really took to the rock war.

00:14:46.560 They, I mean, maybe they've learned some lessons.

00:14:49.780 I think that's being generous to the, the notion that any of these folks have learned anything from history or experience, but maybe they have, and they saw the folly of Iraq, but maybe like their vehemence and passion in fighting the Iraq war was really based on its Jewish or Middle Eastern qualities. 0.76

00:15:16.560 That it was an attack on Babylon that it was an attack on Babylon that is Iraq and that it was on some level doing something on behalf of Israel. 0.57

00:15:29.100 And it resonated with them kind of religiously and emotionally in that way.

00:15:35.400 And at this point saying, sticking up for a country in Europe, they're just past that.

00:15:42.660 They don't care about Europe.

00:15:43.900 They don't think of themselves as a European country.

00:15:47.040 I mean, the, the dissident right can talk all day long about how, you know, we're an outpost of Europe and we should be connected to other whites and other nationalists around the continent and, and, and, and Australia too, and whatever.

00:16:03.260 That's not how conservatives fundamentally think that is not how they have thought for decades.

00:16:10.600 And so it actually isn't, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise that Laura Ingraham, who wears this crucifix prominently when she, you know, appears on television, who was a raging fan of the Bush era wars, denouncing anyone who dared to offer criticism.

00:16:33.080 That this actually makes a lot of sense and they don't want to fight on behalf of white people or Europe.

00:16:40.660 They want to engage in some kind of crusade in the Holy land.

00:16:45.820 And that that is the kind of foreign policy that ultimately resonates with them.

00:16:50.720 And certainly it resonates with David Sachs.

00:16:56.420 Just a thought.

00:16:57.400 Well, I do think it is notable that, um, a lot of these, uh, sort of titans of Silicon Valley who have become very salient in our society are essentially foreigners. 0.96

00:17:11.200 Um, Sachs being one, I mean, he's also South, uh, South African, like, uh, Musk.

00:17:17.120 And I believe Teal, Teal is German.

00:17:19.840 Is that correct?

00:17:21.260 Yeah.

00:17:21.560 So, but essentially it, they represent, you know, for better or worse.

00:17:25.540 And I don't, I don't think this by itself is a, uh, mark against them.

00:17:29.740 I mean, you know, my views on globalism, but they do ultimately represent a kind of global elite as it were.

00:17:35.500 Um, and they see, you know, in their, their, it's almost as if they've watched, uh, the development of the, the American empire, you know, from abroad growing up in this sort of thing.

00:17:50.540 And now that they're, they're kind of, you know, entering into the arena of this, the, the sort of the power arena of America, as it were, um, as, as foreigners essentially, because it is a kind of, it is a kind of open arena. 0.70

00:18:05.760 Um, and America ultimately is a global empire.

00:18:10.100 Um, so, I, I mean, I just think it's interesting to see this sort of generation, right?

00:18:15.040 Sort of the powerful people in American society now, a lot of cases are not even American, really.

00:18:21.660 Um, it's a weird phenomenon.

00:18:23.340 Uh, uh, have any of you guys, uh, read, um, a Christopher Hitchens book?

00:18:30.480 It's called like H22.

00:18:31.900 It's about his, his memoirs.

00:18:34.500 And I've been, um, I've been into his writing, uh, for, for a long time, since I was like in a British school.

00:18:42.120 And I, uh, Columbia is a very Catholic society.

00:18:46.500 And, um, this was like time of, of, uh, new atheism.

00:18:52.020 And I had, uh, a British, uh, guy from Wales teacher who lended me his copy of, of God is not great, which, which was, uh, Christopher Hitchens, you know, bestseller book.

00:19:04.120 And I follow, uh, his, his career as a writer and the chapters in his memoir where he narrates, um, when he became an American, when he got his, not his green card, but he became naturalized and he had to, uh, say the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:19:24.180 And, and, and he take that, um, that history test.

00:19:28.220 He was more fanatical than any American I have read, uh, about America.

00:19:35.080 And the guy wrote the book about Thomas Jefferson and how America is, is exceptional.

00:19:41.500 Uh, he, he was a socialist and a Trotskyist, uh, a Trotskyist, sorry, uh, in the eighties and the seventies.

00:19:49.220 But, but, but he then became a neocon after the, uh, after nine 11, of course, of Hitchens, I mean, and you do find this, this weird phenomenon of foreigners who get naturalized and become more fanatical than the natives themselves about the country, which has given them political asylum or, or, or like, um, has adopted them.

00:20:16.360 Um, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's also very common in, in, in Latin American exile writers during the Condor operation era in the cold war.

00:20:26.260 So yeah, it's, it's, it's a real thing where you say, Mark, that, that some, some foreigners become fanatical, uh, American exceptionalists.

00:20:36.740 It's a real thing.

00:20:38.400 Yeah.

00:20:39.020 You know, the, the Christopher Hitchens thing was interesting.

00:20:41.380 Um, I, from what I have can tell, and I actually recently watched a, an interesting round table on YouTube that was during that era, I think it was about 2002 or so.

00:20:55.940 And it was Christopher Hitchens and David Reif and a number of writers of, uh, good repute, in fact, and they were discussing these issues.

00:21:06.480 I, I, I think there might've been a socialist edge to Hitchens because he didn't become a conservative exactly.

00:21:14.160 And he, he, he kind of stuck to his guns in so many areas, but actually did feel that in this circumstance, the U S military could be a force for good.

00:21:26.880 Uh, and I believe like, gosh, someone can correct me or somebody knows the history better than I do.

00:21:32.860 He was very concerned with this like Kurdish socialist organization that was in a way betrayed when George Herbert Walker Bush let Saddam slaughter the Kurds at the end of the, uh, first Iraq war.

00:21:52.220 Uh, Rojava, Rojava.

00:21:54.380 It's called, uh, Rojava.

00:21:56.060 Yeah.

00:21:56.880 Yeah.

00:21:57.580 And so he, he kind of saw this as like, let's do it right this time and let's knock out the big bad.

00:22:04.660 And he was also making the argument that Iraq isn't going to collapse anyway.

00:22:08.380 That, that seemed to almost be a, uh, I don't know, a little bit bad faith.

00:22:13.620 I'm not sure that that's accurate or anyone believe that, but you know, let's knock it over and then help out some of these people who I like basically.

00:22:24.380 Uh, so.

00:22:25.660 Anyway, he's a complicated figure because, you know, a lot of new atheism to its credit really was reacting against the Iraq war and, uh, the rise of the religious right.

00:22:43.160 It also had a decay day in the eighties, uh, with Reagan and, you know, the, the, the God delusion came out in 2006.

00:22:54.820 Um, Dawkins claimed that he had, you know, wanted to write it for decades or had written parts of it earlier or something.

00:23:03.100 But it, it came out as a, you know, a, a torpedo launched against the, you know, George W. Bush mission accomplished aircraft carrier.

00:23:14.400 If you go along with my metaphor here, you know, I mean, it's, it, it was, it was of a time.

00:23:21.340 And I think, you know, I, I have my own lots of criticisms of new atheism, but it, but it kind of was like justified and, and, and, uh, and, uh, a needed critique of a lot of the madness going on with evangelical voters.

00:23:38.180 Particularly in 2004, when they really came on board with George W. Bush and he won, uh, a re-election in a landslide, it was all these evangelicals who hadn't voted before.

00:23:49.120 And they're, they're, you know, previously they had, uh, you know, I guess post scopes monkey trial.

00:23:54.540 They had basically said, you know, all politics is corrupt and they're all evil and blah, blah, blah.

00:23:58.820 And then there are these times where they get activated and they really get activated and they say, no, God has chosen George W. Bush.

00:24:07.480 We are fighting a, a war that is not about weapons of mass destruction.

00:24:13.560 And it kind of sorta is about, uh, spreading democracy or all that stuff that was articulated in George W. Bush's, um, 2005 inaugural address, you know, we're a force for good bringing democracy to the world.

00:24:29.560 It was about that to a degree, but, but it was, all of that talk was like tinged with a, a religious message.

00:24:38.460 And the fact that Iraq was in Babylon, I don't think is insignificant.

00:24:44.240 Um, it, it was, whether they quite understood that consciously or not, it just, it was, it was layered over their political opinions.

00:24:54.920 And, and, and obviously Christopher Hitchens did not agree with any of that kind of stuff, but, um, I don't know.

00:25:04.380 It's a, it's a, it's a very complicated way.

00:25:07.500 Uh, it's a, it's a complicated thing to think about, but I, I, I think my, I think my take on this is, is right.

00:25:15.040 It, it, it came to me last night while I was watching that interview with David Sachs and Laura Ingram and it was like, isn't this funny?

00:25:24.040 And, and, and, you know, it's like, and I think a lot of people in the dissonant right or, you know, Tucker Carlson fans, they're, they're wanting to say like, oh, look, they've, they've learned their lessons.

00:25:32.840 You know, they, the right used to suck in 2003 with Bush and all that stuff, but, you know, they, they learned so much from that experience.

00:25:42.700 And now they're, you know, and I was, the idea of conservatives learning anything that strikes me as impossible, basically.

00:25:53.580 And so what is it that's going on there?

RadixJournal - May 26, 2023

God's Foreign Policy

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