00:00:00.000I was interested in talking about the elite human capital question broadly and maybe more specifically with regard to what Richard Hanania is putting forth.
00:00:21.960I have powered through most of Hanania's book at this point.
00:00:27.840I'm a little bit late reading it. And I was actually surprised. In fact, much of it was unsurprising, but I was surprised in the lack of immigration enthusiasm in the book.
00:00:48.760That seems to be something that is dominating his Twitter feed, but unless I'm missing something, maybe it's going to be later on in the book, and I'll have to revise this, but I don't see that here.
00:01:02.520He basically, particularly in the first third of the book, makes an interesting observation and an interesting definition of elites.
00:01:15.700And elites are people who are, first off, associated with institutions of longstanding.
00:01:24.420uh so you know someone could be a multi-millionaire small business owner in montana who sells water
00:01:34.800ski boats or whatever he's not an elite uh someone with a master's degree in art history
00:01:41.840who works at the museum in uh in missoula sort of is an elite actually even if that person might be
00:01:51.480earning $60,000 a year, and the water ski boat operator is a multimillionaire. There actually
00:02:00.620is a real difference. That person has a much lower income, but is directly affecting society
00:02:10.800in a way that he is not and his definition um it's it's just it's tailored to our time so he's
00:02:20.980not going into class theory of you know landed aristocracy and peasantry and so on that that's
00:02:27.060a little too way back he's focusing on a highly industrialized modern society and elites are
00:02:35.180in touch with uh long-standing institutions they are sort of meaning maximizers as opposed to
00:02:44.180financial maximizers your typical elite who who has a iq of 120 could go become a millionaire in
00:02:54.180some way uh selling stuff or managing stuff but decides that he would rather be a journalist at
00:03:01.680the new york times where he's making a hundred thousand dollars a year and which is barely
00:03:07.220livable in new york city and you so there everyone makes this um this balance this uh you know on a
00:03:18.520spectrum of maximizing income and maximizing meaning you could conceivably write one copy
00:03:26.480of your cookbook and keep it in a box for posterity but you're not doing that are you
00:03:33.520you're selling it so there's everyone but i would classify you as is meaning oriented
00:03:41.020uh there's no doubt sort of one of the ironic thing um consequences of this and it's something
00:03:50.660i've thought about for some time he doesn't go into it at least in the first half of the book or
00:03:56.120so is that conservatives are economic maximizers and meaning minimizers. Now, conservatives might
00:04:08.260very well go to church, and conservatives will often donate to charity, not always, but they
00:04:19.480have either they've consciously chosen or they've been forced to choose to to a profession that
00:04:27.260doesn't have a lot of meaning um working with your hands owning a small business being a lumberjack
00:04:35.640etc doesn't have a lot of social meaning if we're being honest not that there's anything
00:04:43.060wrong with those professions but you understand it's a little bit different than being a librarian
00:04:48.260or a professor or a actor or a writer for some art history publication.
00:04:59.460And so there actually is a sort of natural sorting that has been underway.
00:05:04.140I remember writing about this for one of my election previews of if you look at parties by profession,
00:05:11.800It's basically pilots and small business owners and salaried labor that vote Republican and lawyers vote Democrat. Doctors increasingly, I think a majority of them actually now vote Democrat.
00:05:29.720obviously bureaucrats etc maybe police are an exception but there's it's it's like what it
00:05:36.580means to be conservative is a very limited sphere of economic activity whereas liberals want to
00:05:47.200write for the new york times liberals want to direct a production of a musical at their local
00:05:54.220theater. Liberals want to write an article that they get paid $50 for and they spent months
00:06:01.680composing it. There is a sorting that is going on. Anyway, I'm setting this up a little bit
00:06:09.760too long, but this meaning maximizer is more likely to value truth in effect in terms of
00:06:19.040things that are market oriented um so a meaning maximizer is going to care about getting the facts
00:06:26.840right in an article in a in a publication whereas the conservative it doesn't like he doesn't care
00:06:37.520about that so much and so we're in this also this asymmetry between left and right it's changing
00:06:44.820slightly. There's an asymmetry between left and right in the sense that if you're liberal,
00:06:53.180you are part of these major organs and institutions that are national or international.
00:07:03.180The New York Times is liberal, whereas if you're a conservative meaning maximizer,
00:07:10.000what are you you're an influencer or a podcaster or you're a joe rogan fan or a republican
00:07:17.920cheerleader or something like this and so it's like and there are now liberal grifters that
00:07:25.640we could call them that i don't mean to say that they're con artists there are people doing
00:07:31.460alternative media and the liberal sphere uh but there is an asymmetry where basically the liberals
00:07:39.620are sort of confined in these older institutions like academia or the legacy media etc whereas
00:07:46.800conservatives it's like a wild west variety show of you know you know look at me i i can you know
00:07:55.800look at i'm gonna uh knock off and shoot down all these bottles and do you want to tip me afterwards
00:08:01.840or you know uh look at me i'm gonna do this uh a dance before you and um you can throw money at me
00:08:08.960It's a sort of funny asymmetry. No one, I don't think even people who work for these institutions would equate Breitbart with the New York Times. It's just fundamentally different in terms of basic ethics and mentality.
00:08:29.120And what he is saying is that at some point, there's some sort of legitimacy crisis with these institutions, a credibility crisis. We're definitely going through that, a credibility crisis of their own making, if we're being fair, in many ways.
00:08:46.080And all the non-elites sort of gang up with one another and form this derivative thing called populism, where you are dividing society. Populism is a derivative idea in the sense that there has to be elites for populists to exist, whereas elites don't need populism.
00:09:06.260In fact, they function perfectly well without it. But there's an antagonistic force called populism of all of these people who don't value truth, are not meaning maximizers, and want to tear down society. And thus, populism of the right or left variety is always going to end up in destruction in some way, shape, or form.
00:09:37.540I agree with quite a bit of that framework,
00:09:42.000but I don't know, JF, if you have any thoughts on the matter.
00:09:45.240Well, I haven't read the book, but I have seen his sub-stack articles.
00:09:49.680I've read them, and it's pretty much the idea that I had developed
00:09:53.920what you presented there, excellent summary.
00:09:56.880And I have huge disagreements with this approach.
00:10:00.220So whenever someone brings the term elite, they are basically inserting a moral statement of their own belief about what is good and what is bad.
00:10:11.840And I think to have this kind of institutional bias of this is the elite, let's not forget what it is.
00:10:19.940What is it in 2026 to get hired at the New York Times?
00:10:43.080I've met a number of these people and they are high functioning, meaning maximizers.
00:10:50.620Now, what you're saying is 100% true in the sense of a kind of rigid, synthetic diversity higher, which no doubt is going on.
00:11:05.340The other thing I think people like you and I, it's almost like we like institutions, like we want to build our own institution, but we're a little too hot to be in an institution.
00:11:20.620It's a sort of maybe a founder-like mentality, but go on.
00:11:24.600No, but yeah, what I wanted to say is this is a social process, what's going on.
00:11:29.700And institutions, basically, the distinction between institution and a car salesman in Ohio, as he takes as a counterexample,
00:11:39.260is that the car salesman in Ohio basically responds to no one but the market, but the demand.
00:11:47.120And the institutions like New York Times, Academia, they will filter based on social considerations.
00:11:55.120And so let's not forget that all of these institutions are dying bodies of dinosaurs, and they can last for a long time.
00:12:04.820And what you're seeing, the New York Times of 2026 is not the New York Times of 100 years ago.
00:12:10.820It's a very different phenomenon. It's a dying body versus a root of pursuit of truth, maybe at some point in the past. I don't know, but if you want to be an idealist, okay, sure.
00:12:23.460Now, I think it's a wrong dismissal to be valuing the pursuit of success within these institutions that are social processes, because it is not just a mechanism of search for truth that animates these people that are working still in this.
00:12:43.580If you go in academia, you are subject to all sorts of social pressure.
00:12:48.920I know because I've been escalating to the top of it.
00:14:49.040If you want to go back to the greatness of America, and here we're touching probably on the personal history of Ananya and how he interacts with America.
00:14:59.000because he is the child of immigrants from the Middle East.
00:15:05.660And he basically is born in the 80s in America.
00:15:52.080Second, talent and higher technology in deployment of war tactics against Mexicans.0.95
00:16:00.380That is another fundamental element.0.66
00:16:02.520A lot of people have died, and it turned out that those who had the most adventurous,
00:16:08.580the most daring warrior behavior and technology have been selected,
00:16:13.240also against the various wars in North America against Native Americans.
00:16:19.480To me, those are the two events that explain the greatness of America.
00:16:23.640Everything that happens after, to me, is the late downstream parasitism of a success that already was there, that already was baked in the cake.
00:16:34.860And when you think of university professors, they haven't changed America 200 years ago.
00:16:41.260They weren't important 200 years ago.1.00
00:16:43.360They are late state agents that come into America, that drain the success of it, take the energy of it, New York writer, females included.0.95
00:16:53.180To me, this is all late parasitism of an already successful society, and it makes it less successful.0.58
00:16:59.380And in fact, if there's anything in modern time that still kind of connects to meaning, in my view, it is the capitalistic delivery of services based on people's actual need.
00:17:11.600And although it's with skewed money and skewed state incentives, there is still something real in addressing needs.
00:17:19.600And I think that Breitbart, as an example, and any independent creators, what they are doing is they are seeing these dinosaur institutions falling.
00:17:29.620And they're saying there are still the rules of the free market.
00:17:32.400People are still going to send me super chats if I say what they want to hear and what they need to hear.1.00
00:17:37.360And that is the free market against the elitist view that is pushed by Hanania.1.00
00:17:46.100I want to make an ad hominem critique of Hanania, but before I do that, which you sort of got us going down that road.0.99
00:17:57.380But before I do that, I want to address something else.0.99
00:18:03.860So, yes, there's no doubt I don't go into Safeway at 10 p.m. to buy some, you know, some spaghetti and meatball, you know, some meat and tomato sauce and spaghetti to make a late dinner or something like that.0.99
00:18:24.860I've never, I don't leave Safeway and be like, those bastards, they ripped me off.0.99
00:18:30.540No, it's like, wow, amazing, exactly what I wanted, they've got it, boom, it's the truth on some level.
00:18:38.720And it's funny that Richard Anani is going down these lines because he himself is a libertarian, influenced by Austrian economics to a large degree, quasi-anarchist in a way.
00:18:58.820if you you press him about what he really thinks about but that that is the truth on some level but
00:19:05.400that's also a preference but don't you believe i mean i and i'm look this is self-serving there is
00:19:14.420no i i and i know that i am sort of a hot head and i'm i can be you know i i confront people
00:19:23.200and I like shocking ideas and radical stuff
00:26:31.840What is the result over 100 years on a country if you allow the kind of propaganda, the kind of liberal propaganda that is effectively being state-sponsored in our societies, very strongly in Canada, and to an extent more institution-sponsored in the U.S.?
00:26:49.840Well, I don't know, JF, the strongest global power.
00:26:54.500You know, I mean, America is the big daddy on the planet.
00:26:57.300I mean, couldn't you make an argument?
00:26:58.560I mean, sometimes when I'll speak with liberals, not leftist or DSA people or something like that, but liberals, there is a sort of conservative nationalist bent to them of like, you should read the New York Times because, you know, when my parents were reading the New York Times, we were like defeating Nazi Germany and we faced off against the Soviet Union and we were richer than everyone.
00:27:25.380There sort of is a quality of liberalism indeed did work. It was evolutionarily tested. It was better than the alternative, clearly, in the form of the Soviet Union. And we were happier and stronger than ever before when this liberalism was working, and it's not working.
00:27:48.760and we need to go back to that old liberalism you know i that's the kind of paternalistic attitude
00:27:54.940that you see among liberals like the msnbc uh type liberals of like well there's some demagogues out
00:28:02.900there with some oh dangerous ideas like trump or nick fuentes oh my it's horrible stuff but you
00:28:09.520know we need to push that back we need to push that back so we can stay strong because this is
00:28:14.140what worked and it worked for three or four generations of my family we were the top dog
00:28:21.160and we're losing it we need to go back we need to go back to 1985 or 1965 when it all made sense
00:28:27.380i think a lot of them think like that when i use the word liberalism i was thinking modern
00:28:33.560wokeness liberalism but i would agree there is some point in the past where we could shoot for
00:28:38.720a liberalism that was kind of roughly okay.
00:28:42.120But even then, I would say the narratives were propaganda.
00:28:47.740I mean, propaganda has been existing forever in the U.S.,
00:32:09.240has been successful for a certain point but these ideologies start to turn on one another and it
00:32:19.300starts to eat itself and there starts to be dramatically diminishing returns and at some
00:32:24.220point it just all blows up communism was good for russia for a time i mean yes you know absolutely
00:32:33.180um stalin dragged russia kicking and streaming uh towards uh being an industrialized national
00:32:42.760socialist country um on the whole communism is clearly a disaster and maybe we're sort of seeing
00:32:50.540that with liberalism absolutely yeah to go into i'll take some questions it's one thing that i've
00:32:59.720noticed about hanania and i'll try to be as nice as possible you said he's coming from an immigrant
00:33:06.080background and so much as i was describing gays earlier there's a degree to which he's almost like
00:33:12.340looking at society and not but while not being a part of it and i do feel like he's almost
00:33:21.100behind in a way and he's constantly behind so when he's describing like the the new york times
00:33:33.480best-selling female author as an elite he's sort of describing yesterday's ideal like that kind of
00:33:41.480thing is a little bit old if you were writing that article in 2010 it would have been fashionable
00:33:48.780But unfortunately, he was writing articles for V-Dare or me in 2010. And he's so he's he's behind the times. And so he's like embracing and he and Carlin seem to be embracing like not woke exactly, but, you know, like woke trans, gay, you know, meritocratic elites at a point.
00:34:15.840like if you were doing that in 2012 that would have been fashionable and interesting and doing0.81
00:34:23.060that in 2026 is starting to get a little bit ridiculous you're 10 years behind and yet you
00:34:29.780think you've discovered something like you think that you've discovered some bold new idea that
00:34:35.780people were talking about on buzzfeed like 20 years ago and i really get the sense that he's
00:34:46.000doing that in many ways that he it's like he's he he discovered punk rock music in 1995 and yet he
00:34:55.580thinks he invented the thing and it's like dude like this is like you're ignoring 20 years of
00:35:03.620history and you're just almost nostalgic he's like nostalgic for the obama era putting forth
00:35:10.520some of these things and i do think that that is he's even discovered zionism now that everyone
00:35:16.380hates like he he was a radical anti-zionist when he was writing for me like radical i mean i'm not
00:35:23.040trying to demean him or like edgy even for us at the time in the 2010s and then now when israel
00:35:32.380is losing legitimacy he's like making arguments about a capitalist power and the the only democracy
00:35:41.360in the middle it's middle east and it's just like dude you're you're just out of fashion you're
00:35:47.700behind people people have are moved on now i agree i i like it that you put your finger on this
00:35:54.600because i had this feeling basically reading through his stuff today in preparation for this
00:35:59.360show and i had this intense 90s feeling a 2000s feeling of i'm in the sex in the city world here
00:36:08.780i'm being reminded of my vhs cassettes and what what the tv was talking about then uh it does
00:36:16.120it does seem like this is why i say and it's not to go at him because he's a he's a son of immigrants
00:36:23.920It's just to say he has a kind of snapshot of America that is very 90s and very present time.
00:36:32.860He doesn't feel attached to America in the way someone who has ancestors for 100, 200, 300 years here would feel.
00:36:42.120And that leads to a very different worldview, a worldview that is hyper modern, which to me is very repulsive.
00:36:50.140um some of those people we we can take a little break here if you guys want to ask questions i
00:36:56.840noticed we had hands up and then they went down or i could go on they went down they left um
00:37:05.240well i was going to talk about the pursuit of truth but then i i forgot what the point was so
00:37:09.820you said a lot of things um i can be long-winded uh so
00:37:17.000So what do you think about elite human capital?
00:37:22.200Now, a lot of liberal critics of Hanania have mentioned that the Hanania of the 2010s is still there inside this Hanania that's engaged in this somewhat pathetic, I would say, outreach program to Ezra Klein and Matthew Iglesias.0.77
00:37:44.200like this the the iq absolutist is still there and he's just sort of transformed that onto the0.55
00:37:55.660world and so you know when iq when iq was being promoted in the 90s and 2000s it was almost
00:38:07.220always attached to white nationalism for better and for worse. Now, IQ elitism would always say
00:38:15.080that Asians are smarter or whatever, but it was still about whites. We got a whole standard0.85
00:38:21.420deviation on these African-Americans. It was all connected to that. We can't allow in Mexican1.00
00:38:28.540immigrants. They're not quite African-Americans, but they're in that direction. That's what it was1.00
00:38:33.140always associated with now i even would talk about this early on maybe he's cribbing off me i i
00:38:39.440address this like 20 years ago but it's like look i understand that argument but you you have to
00:38:47.020you also have to understand that in a population of a billion indians there are going to be millions
00:39:22.520So you're going to have to temper any IQ elitism anyway. He doesn't temper IQ elitism. It's just like infinity and Indians in the word of Sam Hyde. And we need to bring them all in. This is why we're great. The populists are just dumb, lazy people lashing out at their intellectual betters, et cetera, et cetera.
00:39:48.640He seems to have, at least over the past year, really gone in for this type of attitude.1.00
00:41:59.480But in a society with signals that are extremely parasitic and that are lowering your chances of reproduction, that are spamming memes that have not been tested through evolution, the brain that is too opened and that has too much processing power will integrate these as actual signals.1.00
00:42:20.500That's why you get more homosexuals in the college.0.93
00:42:23.960That's why there's a link between liberals and anti-natalism.1.00
00:42:27.780It's that open brains are dangerous.0.92
00:42:31.580That's why also the whole planet is covered with stubborn, bigot, religious people.
00:42:37.720It's because closeness of the brain is what helps you survive most of the time.0.61
00:42:43.120There was just a very special moment of human history, which is between the 16th century and today,
00:42:49.200where having a kind of open brain led you to have technological progresses
00:42:54.280that were so advantageous that you were willing to pay the cost
00:43:06.920And therefore, intelligence is not going to be good to have going forward.
00:43:11.040I want to return to a couple of ideas that you introduced earlier.
00:43:16.020You know, the Jackson-Turner thesis, the frontier thesis, used to be a paradigm in American education. I don't know if it's even discussed at this point. It was out of favor when I was in college and graduate school.
00:43:30.740But basically, the idea of a frontier in Germany means something actually the opposite of what the frontier meant in America.
00:43:44.520In frontier, in the French word, you know, frontier or Grenza in German, it means a border.
00:43:53.000So you are basically, there are dangerous people across the border.
00:43:56.880They want to take our stuff is what it meant.
00:43:59.200in the United States context, the frontier meant open space. And so there was a selection effect
00:44:07.940of who came here. Many religious fundamentalists came here. Many adventurers came here. Many
00:44:13.940criminals wanted to escape their past came to the United States. And there was this selection
00:44:20.580that occurred of who could survive this frontier, this new wide open space that has Indians.0.66
00:44:29.200in it, that has the elements, et cetera. And there was a selection, a dramatic, cruel1.00
00:44:38.780selection effect that went into creating Americans. In America, we're blessed with
00:44:45.440natural resources, no question. We wouldn't be a geopolitical power without natural resources.
00:44:51.320We just hit the lottery on that one, no question about it. But there's also human capital that
00:44:57.520created that. And it was a special human capital, a human capital that might not have been as
00:45:04.240powerful in Europe. At least it was different than European human capital. And this actually
00:45:12.040worked and created the United States as we know it, this special breed, a breed that was eugenically1.00
00:45:19.660created by the elements and by the indians and by by starvation and by disease it was created1.00
00:45:27.940honed and that's why america is great now do any of the factors that i have just mentioned0.94
00:45:36.740describe an h1b visa candidate who is coming in to just like program some shit for a silicon0.99
00:45:48.180valley company that let's just be honest here richard i don't care about his iq he's getting0.98
00:45:54.180hired because they can pay him a lower wage than an american uh no maybe they're not enough
00:46:01.280americans interested in science and we can deal with that uh you know some other time but that's
00:46:07.900why he's being hired to do any of these factors resemble the current immigration experience to
00:46:16.020ask the question is to answer it it is simply no you are not it's not it's it's elite human i mean
00:46:23.500i think it's almost midwits what he's describing elite human capital sounds like midwits actually
00:46:28.920but it's elite surely you know in comparison to the congo or something like that um but uh you
00:46:37.900know i'm reminded of charlton heston and planted the apes where they go and they see all these like
00:46:43.200mute humans and monkeys running around and heston's like look on the bright side within a few years0.98
00:46:51.180we'll be ruling this planet you know i think no doubt h1b visas would become the king of the
00:47:00.120congo but that's not the question uh the the question is is this is this actually american
00:47:08.200in the sense of this human capital is going to create a geopolitical power?0.98
00:47:13.100Or are we just basically bringing in more midwit parasites0.97
00:47:18.580who are going to sort of run the system?1.00
00:49:33.360And I think also to go ad hominem again, I think as a child of immigrants, a sort of immigrant himself, Richard Hanania might empathize with these new immigrants.
00:49:51.740We're all sort of integrating into this thing, but I feel like that is a very strong bias that he should examine in terms of calling them elite human capital.
00:50:09.160I think he needs to examine that just a little bit.
00:50:15.760And isn't it, I don't know, who's in the news today?
00:50:18.520I know this is entirely anecdotal, but Vivek Ramashwamy, who, who was very sympathetic towards Anani, I believe he interviewed Anani at one point, like they were buddies to some degree, like I know this is anecdotal.
00:50:36.560I'm jumping on one guy here, but might it be telling and revealing that Vivek, he goes to law school, inherently a sort of system-oriented profession.
00:52:37.800You know, the other aspect of this and just the Indian propensity to scamming, we have an elite human capital immigration program that has been tested in Canada.1.00
00:52:51.700And it was actually taken down by Justin Trudeau a couple of years ago due to the massive amounts of scamming.1.00
00:53:03.460So as opposed to a family reunification paradigm, which we have in the United States, there was a point system immigration paradigm in Canada.0.95
00:53:12.520And what that resulted in were like diploma mills in strip malls all over Canada and this just total disaster that even the woke libtards decided was too much.0.99
00:53:27.500And they, I mean, what we've tried this.0.90
00:53:31.360You know, it's bad when Justin Trudeau reduces immigration.
00:53:35.060Yeah, Justin Trudeau was like Enoch Powell over there.
00:53:38.560I mean, he was just, you know, the streets will run with blood if we continue this.
00:53:43.260No, even Justin Trudeau got rid of it.
00:53:45.720Like, we've done the experiment with elite human capital, and you go to a country that's wildly dysfunctional, and lo and behold, you have nepotism and scamming dominating the paradigm.
00:54:01.240And so, like, we've tried this, Richard.
01:09:59.220yeah i think um part of one of the the greatest things about ai and what gives me a lot of1.00
01:10:08.200optimism for the future is that this whole midwit indian bureaucracy sort of becomes redundant0.84
01:10:14.760um a lot of these jobs especially like the stuff that you know like microsoft and a lot of the h10.99
01:10:21.880jobs this can all be done with ai very easily in fact um you know i i think that1.00
01:10:31.100in the future you're going to have a lot of these h1bs here that are going to be um just out of work1.00
01:10:39.140or they're not going to be really they're going to sort of join like the the more dumb labor jobs1.00
01:10:45.660like you know working at like a 7-11 or something um they're not really going to be uh you know0.53
01:10:52.920managing the society in general um so you're going to sort of breed out these these high iq
01:10:59.960you know middle manager types and what you're going to be left with is a lot more of the
01:11:05.360white european creatives you know the liberal uh you know middle not not the middle managers but
01:11:12.680But the people whose jobs can't really be done by AI, they can't really be automated, people with more innovative and risk-taking personality traits, those are going to be the people that are dominating the upper echelons of society.0.79
01:11:30.460It's not going to be these H-1B Indians. It's going to be them. So it gives me a lot of hope for the future.
01:11:37.480Yeah, I've bought into AI for this very reason.
01:11:40.180i'm working with ai every day what do you think about the overproduction of elites
01:11:49.680that has occurred at the very least if we define elite as having a an undergraduate degree or even
01:11:58.680a master's degree or a phd i mean we've had this bonanza that has coincided with student loans
01:12:05.940coincided with massive amount millions of dollars flowing into these big institutions and they're
01:12:12.160now big hedge funds uh in effect but we do have a surplus of even people with like 105 iqs who
01:12:23.360have a master's degree and want to write a novel or something i mean there it's it's a big problem
01:12:30.000i think a lot of the dsa and i'll i'll show some sympathy here to the dsa they're not the
01:12:36.160proletariat in the way that marx understood that certainly or anyone understood it for 150 years
01:12:42.560but they are a kind of downwardly mobile i'm showing sympathy or downwardly mobile they've
01:12:48.460been disappointed they were told that you can be whatever you want to be uh caitlin you know just
01:12:55.720If your dreams are big enough, and in America, everyone gets rich, and everyone's in charge of something by the time they're 40, and they seem to be hitting a wall, and that is one of the attractors, I believe, to the DSA in socialism is that disappointment you have where you're just left with a mortgage without a house, which is a student loan.
01:13:17.740The degree is sort of worthless, maybe becoming more and more worthless because a lot of the, you know, the woke era, the Obama era type people, it was information work. That's the thing that AI does really well. It does it much better than you ever could.
01:13:34.880and i i think that is there's going to be a sort of millennial information manager
01:13:43.420revolt against ai i imagine they might even be the ones most inclined to like burn down a data
01:13:50.880center or you know demand that you know or indulge in ai is going to kill us all because in a way it's0.81
01:13:57.280killing them it's you know it's not necessarily the end of the world it might just be the end of0.63
01:14:00.780you and um sending out emails making websites administering organizations i mean this is some0.95
01:14:10.700i'm a skeptic of ai this is something that it does remarkably well absolutely one of the greatest
01:14:18.140lies ever told this whole idea that we're gonna we're gonna do upward mobility through education
01:15:47.620But the false idea is that you can take the paper
01:15:50.040that a diploma is and stick it onto another human being and suddenly that other human being
01:15:55.300has equal value to the other one. No, suddenly you've gamed the system again. You've lied about
01:16:02.100the criteria. You've diminished your threshold of acceptance and suddenly you're welcoming in1.00
01:16:07.220university basically retards. Let me say this. I'll bring it back to Hanani a little bit because1.00
01:16:13.960The notion of a cacistocracy is basically the dumbs, the non-elites are just going to form some coalition and rip down society.1.00
01:16:27.880And look, to be fair, I think there's some insights here.1.00
01:16:32.180And I agree with, as I stated at the beginning, I agree with a lot of his framework.
01:16:38.320We've attacked Richard a little bit here.
01:16:40.840We're going to be nice here for a little bit.0.67
01:16:43.960He says some interesting things and some important things, but I think to look out ahead, not look out what's happening right now with MAGA, where it's like morons who never voted before are going to vote for Donald Trump because of The Apprentice, and then they're going to appoint RFK as health star.0.57
01:17:02.900I mean, this terrifying chain of events that's occurred.
01:17:07.880Let's look about what's going to happen in 20 or 25 years.
01:17:11.500I do think that there is going to be a revolt of the midwits.
01:17:28.940But this big disappointment, they are going to feel as society just sort of keeps getting worse. It keeps getting more expensive. Digital media, financialization, all of it's flowing to the top. It's not flowing to you. You're working harder for less.
01:17:50.420you've got a math you've got a master's degree that you're still paying for and you're 50 years
01:17:54.720old etc etc it's not gonna be there for them and i think there might be a sort of populism
01:18:02.640if you were and we're seeing the beginnings of it now of a mid wit mid human capital revolt
01:18:11.020against the system and i think the dsa might even be the vehicle for it in fact because the dsa is0.90
01:18:17.760not dumb. You don't have like, the janitor who's got a criminal record and earns $20,000 a year0.74
01:18:26.100is not a member of the DSA. Who's a member of the DSA? Someone who has a master's degree in
01:18:32.660creative writing. That's a member of the DSA. And they're going to be disappointed. I have some
01:18:39.920sympathy for them in their disappointment. And they might actually form a kind of,
01:18:45.740i don't know what the right word would be it's not a cacistocracy because they're actually pretty0.95
01:18:51.300smart it's going to be a sort of mid-wit overproduced elite attack on the system a0.99
01:18:57.540kind of neo-populism uh this is my vision for what we're going to see next actually
01:19:03.560that's an interesting possibility i hadn't thought about this at all uh i think that
01:19:09.120in a way our current world is taking taken over by these people already i'm not like richard