Jared Taylor reflects on a speech by Charles Francis Adams on the 100th birthday of Confederate general Robert E. Lee, and how that speech may have been an act of reconciliation between the North and the South, and the removal of Confederate monuments.
00:08:59.940So, seeing people that hate the country, want to change the country for the worse, tear these things down, is just kind of repulsive to me.
00:20:08.720I think this is funny because that's basically what they were doing with Columbus.
00:20:12.500Yeah, I mean, it's funny saying it's a society based on apology for white men.
00:20:20.060That's sort of ironic considering he's doing the same thing with Columbus.
00:20:23.240What do you mean apologizing for him in both senses of the term?
00:20:28.800I was going to speak up to say something earlier, but the conversation sort of flowed that I think he is a sort of boomer-esque alt-conservatism still based around Christian morality.
00:20:47.000So for him, Columbus can't be a badass and go conquer a continent and enslave a bunch of bitches and kill everyone because that wouldn't go with the whole gentlemanly white Christian thing that he's sort of representing.
00:21:02.360So in a way, he came and said, ah, I bring you free markets and the good book of the Lord.
00:22:41.080Yeah, I think the only way that I mean, this I don't disagree with his fundamental premise, but the only way for it is to kind of flip the premise.
00:22:53.760And, you know, the only way out is through, so to speak.
00:22:58.520Like, you know, it's like bring back the chariots.
00:23:05.520I think I'm pretty sure he, you know, he saw that video.
00:23:10.980And I think everybody's seen the meme video.
00:27:17.100I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that whites are the cancer of the world history or humankind or whatever in the sense that we're this like evasive species that transforms all society.
00:27:33.700I mean, it's hard to deny that white supremacy reigns around the globe.
00:27:44.240I mean, just look, I mean, what kind of civil order are you going to have?
00:27:48.540A parliamentary democracy, because that's the only way forward.
00:28:21.220I mean, for good and for ill, like, we live in a white supremacist world.
00:28:28.840And I think even calling it white supremacist, I think, is more accurate than calling it, like, Jewish or something, which you might hear from a white nationalist.
00:28:39.740I don't want to deny the impact of that.
00:28:42.440I don't want to deny the impact of Judaism and Christianity.
00:28:44.640But just in terms of, like, basic things of how you're supposed to live, we transformed the entire planet.
00:28:54.660Like, we don't consider the Congo as entering the community of nations until they wear suits, use iPhones, you know, accept feminism, and have a parliament in their capital city.
00:29:14.640So, Lizard Spectator, you wanted to jump in?
00:29:19.060Haven't all races become docile and tame?
00:29:30.840They're pretty docile at the end of the day, you know?
00:29:38.260I think we've all been tamed to some extent.
00:29:41.860I mean, yeah, there's more crime and there's more kind of baseness, you could say, among Africans of just more interest in sex and getting into fights and all that kind of stuff.
00:29:56.320But the degree to which they themselves have been tamed, I don't think should be underestimated.
00:30:15.220In September 2020, very near the end of his term, Donald Trump issued an executive order on combating race and sex stereotyping.
00:30:24.420It barred any part of the government from teaching what the order called divisive concepts.
00:30:31.980Among these were, one race or sex is inherently superior to another.
00:30:36.300An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive.
00:30:44.220An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
00:30:55.780Meritocracy, or traits such as a hard work ethic, are racist or sexist, or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.
00:31:05.120Okay, this is just liberalism from 30 years ago.
00:31:13.100That document that was put forth by Trump as a way of fighting back is a document fighting back against, I guess, black or female supremacy.
00:31:59.800I don't think of other people in that way.
00:32:01.720The only way to fight back against the left is to put forth some sort of individualism and libertarianism, where you just popped into the world with no past and thus no future, and you just compete with other individuals for money.
00:33:15.700But there's constructive criticism, or there's an actual rejoinder to your thesis that you have to respond to.
00:33:24.040The fact that he just, for 35 years, has failed to respond to this gets to a point where it's just frustrating, and it's like, all right, I'm not going to...
00:33:36.580Well, I'm addressing truth now, but I'm not going to really deal with these ideas if it's just this slamming up against a brick wall over and over of dogmatic thinking.
00:33:49.260Why did he even bother to start his whole thing if, like, you said...
00:33:58.460Wait, he said he started this shit in the 90s, right?
00:34:03.040Yeah, so why did he bother starting American Renaissance if his goal was to just agree with the 1990s political belief that everyone is vaguely equal and we should be nice to each other?
00:34:25.360Well, it's an interesting question, because he's claimed at various times, I don't know if he's claimed this publicly, he's claimed it to me that, I mean, he started in 1990, I guess, or maybe...
00:34:39.240Anyway, it was the bell curve was released, and there just seemed to be just obvious implications to this quantitative way of thinking, and so this had to affect us.
00:34:50.360And in fact, everyone ignored the bell curve, as we learned later.
00:34:53.500So you're just promoting a sort of, like, free market dogma of we shouldn't have affirmative action, and it's okay if blacks are poor because their IQs are lower.
00:35:08.040I think that's a legitimate perspective on the world, but it's a liberal perspective on the world at the end of the day.
00:35:14.280It's interesting, because if you go back to his early books, like, oh God, Paved with Good Intentions, you have this book that is not about white identity or not about separate, certainly not about separatism or something.
00:35:33.480It's basically about the bad behavior of black liberals, and how they're anti-white and unfair, and it's a lot of things you hear from conservatives today, actually, was a book he wrote very early on.
00:48:38.020But, I mean, it's my belief that the Republicans are turning to the sort of multi-ethnic, you know, off-white, brownish, conservative movement they're creating now.
00:48:48.360Because white people are too smart for Republicanism.
00:48:53.720Even if they aren't white consciously, I think any self-respecting white person should see, you know, this idea of, like, debt slavery and working in a corporation run by smelly Indians.
00:49:09.180And it's just like, ah, that's not for me.
00:49:10.680That's really not what we were put here for.
00:49:13.080Now, we should, we crave the chariots.
00:49:34.040Whether I live to see it or not, there will be an in-gathering of our people on this continent, and we will finally succeed in building a new home in North America for Europeans and their civilization.
00:49:49.680White people deserve to live in a country that does not tell them that they are dirt.
00:49:54.820Again, just like mid-century liberalism.
00:50:06.600It's something every people, everywhere deserves.
00:50:09.360First off, it's like, by your own assessment, if whites, even if they offered the white ethnostate in, like, the nicest possible way, they would be slaughtered by the evil federal government.
00:50:30.960So, this is a pretty bold, it's not, like, they're going to let you, the government is going to let you be a white nationalist.
00:50:47.300Now, I get it, you know, like, the FBI might knock on your door and you're going to get fired from your job.
00:50:53.840I get all that, but they're not just going to kill you, and they are going to deliver the mail, and your electricity will work if you are just an outright white nationalist, etc.
00:51:08.040Like, those people, I don't know, Blood Tribe or whatever, like, I saw on Twitter this morning, they did another rally in North Dakota or something.
00:53:16.520Well, but they didn't, they only, Scientology only was, like, regularized when the government was, like, okay, if you'll be a 501c3 and, you know, create this weird Hollywood cult.
00:53:34.360I just think, well, first off, the, I mean, outside of some, like, things fall apart, outside of some truly political degeneration situation, I think you would be killed for doing what he's saying.
00:53:58.460Now, is a, might we enter political disintegration?
00:54:44.640But I would take this further and say that, like, getting, getting in touch with real causation is also getting in touch with the theory of what you're doing going forward.
00:55:02.600So, if you can understand why America and the West ended up here, and I think there's economic reasons, to be sure.
00:55:13.840But I think it's fundamentally spiritual.
00:55:19.620Then you could start to understand how you could develop a society that won't become like this.
00:55:27.020Because I guarantee you, with, because Jared Taylor, he's not talking about white people in general.
00:55:35.140There are a lot of white liberals who wouldn't want to join this new community wherever it would arise, like in the Alabama suburbs or something.
00:55:44.240They would say, no, hell no, I want to live in these DEI, multiracial, liberal institutions, that I'm going to play the game and try to stay on top, and I believe in this, it's meaningful to me, etc.
00:55:59.060But even if you thought that, like, these good Republican voting whites could go start their sovereign nation, why would you believe that it wouldn't become the exact same thing as America is right now?
00:56:22.020Unless you fundamentally get your hands around causes, why, who, what, how this happened, did this, and how this happened.
00:57:26.440They didn't want their young daughters fraternizing with black people.
00:57:30.420They didn't want them drinking at the same water fountain, you know, notoriously.
00:57:34.700And through a number of mechanisms, I actually think sports should not be underestimated as a mechanism for this transformation.
00:57:46.920The South became institutionally integrated.
00:57:51.700Still segregated in terms of, like, where you go to church, where you live in the burbs.
00:57:57.280There are no mega churches where you can go where people are singing the praises of the Aryan race.
00:58:12.380They're singing the praises of Israel.
00:58:14.260Or they're singing the praises of, you know, black overcoming to a new world where we children are hand in hand, you know, with barbecues and the American flag and love and togetherness.
00:58:27.440You live in a world where an Alabama white, you know, who wears polo shirts and Ray-Bans and is totally, the frat boys who supported Israel recently, will support Israel.
00:58:46.840They will also worship black football players.
00:58:49.600So there's something in America that leads towards this.
00:58:58.340And if you're not going to examine what that is, then what is the point of creating your new country?
00:59:08.440Jared Taylor is, in my view, very desperate for some sort of, like, new country he can move to or something.
00:59:18.240Because I don't think he is, he knows that he is not willing or able to create any sort of relevant cultural change.
00:59:28.020Like, the response to this is we need some sort of new cultural orientation for white people that's going to make them better.
01:01:21.240And if you don't want to do that, you're not going to get anywhere.
01:01:26.400And doing that is going to kind of alienate you from a lot of these white people.
01:01:32.560Anyway, does anyone want to add anything else or maybe even offer a defense of Jared, Colin?
01:01:55.360I know that we've said this before, but his vision and people who share even anything similar to it, it's just completely contrary to the white nature.
01:02:06.600I mean, we purposely go and live amongst other peoples in a hierarchy.
01:02:17.360It's just conquest and expansion and making the world abide by a system that we've created.
01:02:25.560And you can look at the world and see that most countries, at least ostensibly, even if they're completely corrupt klepto states, at least say that they have a political system that they inherited from the British and the French.
01:02:41.860And it's like, we went to Africa and Asia at no point, except for now, because we're so spiritually dead, as you've said, have we ever wanted to just live like that?
01:02:56.920Like, we've always gone and sought, you know, new places, new people.
01:03:04.400And so that's what's really, I mean, yeah, there is no ultimate solution in anything that he presents that is going to avoid the same degeneration that led to his lament in the first place, as you've said.
01:03:19.740But also, as you've said many times, it's like, that's just not the white spirit that never has been.
01:03:43.800Yeah, I would wonder, maybe you can ask him next time you guys are at the secret alt-right meeting where you all talk to each other.
01:03:54.560I don't think I'll ever see Jared Taylor again, actually.
01:03:57.860I mean, in a way, sadly, I don't dislike him personally, but there's so much, like, bitterness and the alt-right kind of ruined any sort of relationship.
01:04:10.360It was, it was very, ah, it's very weird.
01:04:14.920But, um, but, you know, it, it is what it is.
01:04:19.820But go on, you were about to say something.
01:04:21.300Yeah, I, I would wonder if, like, what does this nation do?
01:04:25.940Like, are we going to reconquer all of our white homelands and, you know, bring white paradise to them?
01:04:34.220Or does he envision, like, the city on the hill thing, like every other Republican, where we're going to sit down in the slightly larger version of the gated community, and then people will see how awesome we are, and they'll just change.
01:04:49.060Like, you know, that might be a nice, I don't think anything like a revolution to have a miniature white state somewhere in America would ever work.
01:04:58.640I don't think it's practical or smart, but, you know, it could be a nice idea if the next thing was, and then we develop nukes and invade everyone else.
01:05:10.980But I doubt he's very interested in that.
01:05:14.800No, no, no, I, I, I think he would, he would reject that.
01:05:18.240I mean, he's, he even is claiming that a, um, uh, a, a, a, an amical divorce, it would be like the, um, Czechoslovakia, the 1990s, just like, we were just like, oh, hey, let's just, yeah, let's just go our own way kind of thing.
01:05:48.240Okay, so I agree with your take that Jared's whole worldview is problematic short-term and long-term, and it's cucked.
01:06:03.780And, but I would say you and Nick Flint has, like, white separatism and, like, national divorce, and I've kind of,
01:06:16.280called it, like, called it, like, cucking, which it, I think the way Jared is, but I do think that there could be a tactical advantage to having, like, it's like a tactical retreat, almost.
01:06:31.680In that if you look at how Jews kind of leverage their having their own state, they're able to use, like, tax and the education system to kind of develop all of these radicals that can then go out into the world and act in the interest of Jews in this very organized way while having this hub that they could kind of operate out of, like a, like a headquarters.
01:06:58.280And, like, I would, if I had the ability to kind of, you know, lay out my idea, it would be kind of, it would be nice to have something like that, while not necessarily just forfeiting everywhere else, but kind of like having a hub where white people can speak to each other and amongst each other and have our own, develop our own ideas and reorient ourselves.
01:07:26.280ourselves. And then, you know, from there, we could do different things, right? We could explore.
01:07:32.920We have this already. It's called the temperate zone. It's where all the whites are, right? Literally a huge ring around the world. We live and we're still majority white and we could talk to each other.
01:07:44.040I don't see fantasizing about, like, a single, a new state like that would be, like, necessary. Just move to Alaska. Move anywhere up north. Go to New Hampshire. That's racially pure. It's even libertarian. It's already its own state.
01:08:02.840Yeah, we had these hubs and they became this. So, you're still begging the question, which is, how are we going to orient the world and the 21st century and beyond?
01:08:14.000Like, I somewhat agree with the idea of having a hub. It would be nice if people who are sort of like us could gather in a sort of collective geographic zone somewhere in the United States.
01:08:29.140But that would exclusively be for creating a hub to start a cultural movement, right?
01:08:38.600And also, like, you know, what we've learned in a way is, like, isolation, like, bill or generates delusion.
01:08:51.020You know, like, if you go, you know, there's the temperate zones or moving to Alaska or Wyoming or Montana or whatever.
01:09:00.480There's also, like, going into a suburb in Dallas and shopping at Neiman Marcus or some Alabama suburb.
01:09:11.620But, like, is that, are you going to be more or less likely to change the world by going to this safe zone, like a safe space?
01:09:24.120I think you're going to be a lot less likely.
01:09:28.020Well, if we have, like, a safe space, you could, I think, control media there.
01:09:33.360And I know that you say that we've had these areas before, but if they're not really formalized or, like, acknowledged, like, explicitly out in the open.
01:10:41.500And he made this just essential point, which is that, you know, we are where we are now in terms of the development of socialism and the nation and even, you know, slavery to some extent or whatever.
01:10:57.660So either the Constitution was feckless towards the growth of the modern state, or it facilitated the growth of the modern state.
01:11:11.900But it's either or, because we are where we are.
01:11:16.660So either Christian communities or Christian monarchies or, you know, happy homelands or whatever.
01:11:29.460I remember that was done by Ramsey Paul, happy homelands.
01:11:32.500Either those are weak and ineffectual vis-a-vis the triumph of liberalism, or, and this is actually what I believe, they facilitate the triumph of liberalism.
01:11:50.080So at some point, you're begging the question.
01:11:54.420Like, a hub is great, and it would be fun.
01:11:58.380And it would be like summer camp, where we would all go and be like, oh, wow, look, there are no crazy black ladies screaming at us anymore.
01:12:07.600Not that that's all that bad, but like, in 30 years, you are going to be exactly where we are right now.
01:12:16.840If you do not change the spiritual outlook of Aryans, and thus change the spiritual outlook of the world.
01:12:32.260I would just say that, like, if you would, I wouldn't, if you were going to establish, like, a base, like, or a, you know, some area like that, you would, I wouldn't have the, the liberalism, I guess, would be like the kind of discussions you'd want to have, like, right off the bat.
01:12:47.420That we can't run things the same way we were running things and expect to arrive in a different place.
01:12:52.540I think, though, that, and I also don't necessarily think it's a given that you, the delusion would form if you're isolated from these people when, because we have the internet now, right?
01:13:04.300Like, we could, if you're in an all-white area, you could see how things are in South Africa, and you could, well, if we bring them here, that would happen again.
01:13:13.200I don't think, I think the delusion formed because the media painted them in the best possible light and shamed and brainwashed people into, you know, this, you know, individualism.
01:13:24.820Yeah, back when we were more Christian and conservative, all right?
01:13:28.520Well, I also, yeah, Africans, as it were, have always been running around with pointy sticks and eating each other.
01:13:34.820So when we were bringing them in the first time with the based Reagan Republicans, or I don't know when exactly sort of bring those shit out, we'll just say based Reagan Republicans because they dislike them, all right?
01:13:45.920The, the based conservative, you know, rational governance sort of people, all right, they also saw the people eating each other and running around with pointy sticks and decided, ah, we'll bring them in, it'll be fine.
01:14:03.000All right, so what, what is new here in this society that, that blocks this?
01:14:10.920Because seeing that Africans aren't good at Western civilization obviously isn't new because they've never been good at Western civilization.
01:14:19.880They've never been able to trick us into believing they were good at it.
01:14:22.800That's why we put them all on welfare immediately.
01:14:26.820I mean, this was before germ theory and before the discovery of DNA, though, to be fair, isn't it?
01:14:33.000So we, we also, like we, it's not a, we understand biologically that they're different now.
01:14:39.460No, they probably thought they were more biologically different back then.
01:14:44.340They didn't even consider them human back then.
01:14:46.540You used to be able to charter hunting parties to go to Africa and shoot pygmy Africans.
01:14:52.040You can't do that anymore now, can you?
01:14:53.640We have to pretend they're just like us, all right?
01:14:57.020They were probably, without your scientific genetics, far more based and racist than you are now with, you know, DNA and germ theory.
01:15:07.540So now, if we had like this Apollonianism or REM theory, if that became more mainstream, would you see the benefits of having like a central hub that, then?
01:15:25.200But like, you, you have to put it somewhere in a population zone with at least a few thousand people.
01:15:34.200Well, we, we do have a million, but I, I understand your point.
01:15:37.840It's like a million and like a empty field.
01:15:41.520We have 7 million cows and 1 million human beings, by the way.
01:15:45.860Um, I, yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I obviously think we should be creating civilization.
01:15:53.000You know, like the hub should be in Rome or Boston or Berlin or Paris or something.
01:16:01.820Uh, just the, the, the, the happy homeland idea is, I, I, I do.
01:16:08.560I mean, again, I say this as someone who lives in a happy homeland, but I, I, I find the happy homeland idea just to be, um, totally toxic.