RadixJournal - I've Got the Pope Blocked

00:00:00.000 yeah well i mean speaking of italy i have actually discovered that there is a mole

00:00:04.220 in rome working for nick fuentes and um that is interesting that is the pope oh i see i discovered

00:00:14.180 before i came on air yeah i have the pope blocked he's a great mysterious because i have no memory

00:00:21.540 of blocking the pope and um i did block 7 000 people this week on like a chain like a chain

00:00:29.160 thing like anybody following a a griper was blocked like flat and um the pope must follow a griper

00:00:38.020 somewhere along the line for him to be wow we must have liked like a dodgy tweet or something i don't 0.98

00:00:44.720 know but anyway there we are i'm pretty sure the pope would send them all to hell all the

00:00:48.580 gripers to hell right that's my sense of it yeah i mean i don't see them aligned with the uh the 0.89

00:00:55.980 politics of the pope in any meaningful way yeah i'm only kidding obviously but i was it it was one

00:01:02.600 of those things go you know when you're looking for i was like why isn't the pope coming up i was like oh

00:01:06.680 it's because i've got him because i've got him blocked but uh there we are that's funny um

00:01:12.120 so yes okay so let's talk about the whole thing i don't i don't even quite know where to begin with

00:01:21.440 this because i think we're we're kind of in the aftermath of the bandy adl campaign and uh i maybe

00:01:31.100 that's a good time to assess things um it was very interesting and i would say that and i mark mark's

00:01:41.480 disagreed with me i mean i overall uh i think this is a good thing getting people uh more skeptical

00:01:51.080 of certain taboos and etc but let's also kind of put this into perspective uh elon musk i think right

00:02:01.820 now is meeting with bibi netanyahu and uh biden um snubbed him to some degree uh i think we should

00:02:12.780 also put in perspective the yakarino comments which elon seconded seconded and seems to be going along

00:02:21.700 with of you know we will combat anti-semitism and all its forms and blah blah blah elon has said as

00:02:27.020 much himself uh i also get a very strong feeling i get a very strong feeling from elon that he's not

00:02:35.520 serious about any of this stuff and i get a very strong feeling that he's interested he got interested

00:02:43.580 in the bandy adl campaign because it's a way of perhaps suing them and making some money back

00:02:52.140 on this tremendous loss he's taken purchasing twitter uh so there it is just i'll just kind

00:02:59.480 of set up those things what do any of those pique your interest hey yeah well i mean my my initial

00:03:06.500 reaction when um elon said he was going to ban the adl was like well how on earth is that going to go in

00:03:13.460 court and we should be like um yes mr musk when you uh when you unbanned andrew anglin and e michael jones

00:03:21.900 uh what were you thinking i mean it's just i mean what is what is his possible answer

00:03:27.800 to those sorts of questions because there's just no if the adl want to find evidence of

00:03:36.880 an increase in anti-semitism quote-unquote on twitter since he's taken over it's all just there

00:03:42.600 so i just don't know how that case would go um and a lot of people saying well it's not about that it's

00:03:50.580 about the discovery element um but i just don't i don't see if it actually went to court at all i

00:04:00.680 don't see how elon musk could come out the other side of it well he would any the adl would make the

00:04:05.920 obvious defense which is that we're trying to help twitter we're not trying to destroy its value

00:04:11.120 twitter's value will be destroyed by the presence of andrew anglin and nick fuentes and company we're

00:04:17.900 we're trying to help you so the idea that they maliciously interfered with his business

00:04:24.640 out of spite or something yeah that seems like a an impossible case to win but then but then there's

00:04:31.740 an even deeper element uh which i have been trying to subtly or not so subtly draw people's attention to

00:04:39.020 which is that uh the specific people who musk has chosen to uh signal boost on this have you know

00:04:48.980 long and deep standing sides with uh ties with well-known neo-nazi groups i mean there's just

00:04:54.820 no two ways about that uh that for some reason has not been highlighted in the media but i mean

00:05:02.700 you know elon musk is now like literally one degree of separation away from mike enoch

00:05:08.400 or i mean i'm not even kidding um or uh i don't know uh tom sewell or someone like this i mean

00:05:16.900 these are the these or uh what's his name uh matt parrot all these sorts of characters who's yes who

00:05:25.000 are people i i don't actually know they're people i've been kind of kind of discovering through my

00:05:29.380 little researches this week and uh i'm like well i mean this i mean if ever a story was waiting to

00:05:37.180 completely destroy somebody how hard would it be for some intrepid journalist you know some deep

00:05:44.620 throat type character to just kind of pull the trigger on that it just seems to be a ticking time

00:05:49.200 bomb when it when it comes to uh when it comes to who musk has chosen to associate himself with 0.92

00:05:55.780 um i have noticed conclusion richard it's led me to the conclusion go ahead that either some of

00:06:03.480 these people who musk is signal boosting uh aren't quite who they who they appear to be or there is

00:06:10.940 there is a second alternative which is that elon musk is secretly a white nationalist

00:06:16.480 slash neo-nazi after all i lean towards the former but the second is you know possible

00:06:22.840 well i know this is intriguing and i i would like to talk about this um i i'm not sure there are only

00:06:33.540 two options um elon has paled around with some very strange figures and each of them is kind of has

00:06:45.920 some plausible deniability to them so you know kim.com ian michael chong all of these people

00:06:54.880 have background you can just kind of dig a little bit and find connections to say mike enoch as you

00:07:01.020 mentioned and but i think elon kind of deals with them and uses them as little fronts or boosts them

00:07:10.680 without really committing to them and it it does kind it does surprise me to some degree that keith

00:07:19.060 has apparently become one of these or at least for the time being but it also kind of fits with elon's

00:07:28.360 general vibe of this kind of non-committal flirtation with all of these different people

00:07:36.280 and what he's after by that i think is an is an interesting question whether he's a secret neo-nazi

00:07:43.960 you know who knows what does that even mean um but i i think there's some other angles to that that

00:07:53.760 could be pursued but the other thing i'll just mention this keith has been the central focus of this

00:08:02.320 stuff and he's gone on a lot of spaces he's handled himself well in spaces in fact he's

00:08:09.160 kind of stuck stuck to the script not gone off in different directions kind of made this about

00:08:16.000 fairness and blah blah blah uh but he hasn't really gotten like i don't i agree with you that there hasn't

00:08:25.800 been a lot of mention of keith in the press like there are a few tidbits here and there but it's

00:08:34.660 been kind of muted and i don't know if that's because they don't want to promote keith or whether

00:08:40.200 they don't find him compelling or what well but that is to give just in the interest of fairness

00:08:50.140 a number of publications did mention keith and uh they mentioned him by by his real name um but they

00:08:58.040 are how can i put this i don't know if you've noticed this over your years of watching the media

00:09:03.960 but it's like there are several tiers of media and the top line meet like there's a top tier media

00:09:11.360 which i would which i would liken to the kind of ministry of truth in orwell you know yeah um the times

00:09:19.220 the new york times the bbc cnn this is kind of top line tier one media um they didn't they didn't

00:09:27.540 uh mention him or go into that aspect of the story at all in fact they didn't even they barely

00:09:34.120 mentioned the hashtag ban the adl um uh thing at all and i i did also notice that the bbc seemed to

00:09:42.620 never cover the adl period i.e if you search on the if you search adl on the bbc website

00:09:48.000 their scarcity ever mentioned never is the story you know there'll be a source in like one story

00:09:53.380 from 10 years ago or something but you don't come across the adl in bbc much it was it was picked up

00:10:00.400 by publications like rolling stone which for some reason has become like a kind of weird kind of

00:10:07.500 shit live media outlet these days rock is dead just review records or something yeah rock is dead

00:10:13.600 and so this is where they are now yes they um they it was i think forbes a couple of the jewish 0.81

00:10:21.160 outlets but like you said it was muted and more importantly richard the the story wasn't like

00:10:30.520 what i was gonna see if i was a journalist i'd be like this is one of the hottest stories ever

00:10:35.100 because this dude who's being signal boosted by the richest man in the world

00:10:39.480 yeah is literally one degree of separation away from nick fuentes and the whole kenya west thing

00:10:46.680 that happened like i think that's the story i mean yeah but i think elon to that straight away

00:10:52.000 uh academic i think it's a dilemma though from their perspective right so i it's probably a story that

00:10:58.380 some of them have decided to sit on um because they don't want to give attention to these guys right

00:11:03.060 so it becomes a kind of conspiracy of silence um you know yeah so i mean that's the other

00:11:10.340 possibilities they just don't want to give attention to a guy like keith woods uh because then people

00:11:15.880 will be like well you know elon musk is uh a lot of people have a favorable view of elon musk he's a

00:11:22.280 very popular he's one of the most famous people in in the world yes and if you know so if they start

00:11:29.400 talking about his connection to keith woods sure some number of people will be like oh that's

00:11:34.260 disgusting and dislike uh elon musk but a large number of people will also be like oh well what's

00:11:41.120 this keith woods guy about if elon musk likes him then maybe i should check him out you'd be sending a

00:11:47.520 lot you'd be sending a lot of people down that rabbit hole right mark is what you're saying i didn't

00:11:51.600 it's uh oh yeah yeah yeah i mean i think it's it's a known it's a known phenomenon in media is

00:11:58.080 that you know you have like or just in communications you have um you have a person that is well regarded

00:12:03.880 uh and you associate something with them that thing will take on positive associations um you know the

00:12:13.000 reverse works as is well but um i think you understand my point it's a it's a kind of it's a

00:12:19.020 dilemma that they're faced with essentially i i understand that and there is a there is another

00:12:23.060 thing as well which is that um you know in media they talk about a family of faces like uh you know

00:12:30.180 in tv land they talk about the family of faces okay and there are certain people who like at one point

00:12:39.200 richard you you were chosen for some reason to be part of this family of faces for a brief period there

00:12:45.920 they were like oh this is this is going to be the face of the alt-right for a while you know

00:12:50.340 yeah um and they also did that with nick with nick fuentes right but for whatever reason they're very

00:12:58.320 kind of choosy about who who then gets to be that face and you know it could be as simple as that we

00:13:06.180 they don't want the idea of you know this uh kind of well well-spoken young guy doesn't you know

00:13:13.040 doesn't have the the typical optics uh you know that they're that they're after people might start

00:13:19.500 listening to him like i understand that um i just find it a little bit i just find it i don't think

00:13:26.580 he's compelling enough i'll be i'll be you might actually appreciate these comments and i'm sorry if

00:13:32.980 this is just brutal but he's to his credit stuck to the script but that's not terribly interesting

00:13:43.920 you know like endlessly saying that the adl is unfair and leo frank was possibly guilty or whatever

00:13:54.500 just doing this like i there's this there's always been this dilemma and this is why i think the alt-right

00:14:00.620 hated me and so on is because they they genuinely want to red pill normies and by giving them 0.99

00:14:13.380 information i think that is not a particularly useful task uh i think that things happen through people

00:14:27.780 and personalities things happened through the trump movement through donald trump himself for better

00:14:34.320 and for worse maybe mostly for worse he incarnated something and there always needs to be a leader

00:14:42.780 someone needs to incarnate what is happening and this these kind of like anons telling themselves

00:14:52.060 that the face fags are harming the movement and that we just need to like all be anonymous and trade 1.00

00:15:00.720 information and whatever i i just find this delusional and and in self-serving because it's it it serves

00:15:08.860 it justifies what they would do anyway which is tweet all the time and you know at the end of the day

00:15:19.660 like there is a leadership principle that dominates every political or social movement and if you want

00:15:29.920 to go against that you're just harming things i mean i have plenty of criticisms of nick fuentes

00:15:35.360 but the the kind of cult-like or but incarnation of everything that they care about in one person

00:15:46.420 i have no criticism over well well i mean it's a bit of a you know as the guy who wrote the populist

00:15:54.580 delusion i'm well aware of the the principle of the organized minority leading power and so on

00:15:59.520 the trouble the trouble is is that the uh the powers that be if you want are extremely aware of this

00:16:06.100 principle themselves and they are drawn to organization like a moth to a flame i mean they

00:16:14.160 literally that's what they look for i uh i put out a video yesterday uh talking about the try the

00:16:20.680 long-standing trilateral relationship between the adl the fbi and uh and various kind of uh

00:16:30.640 far quote-unquote far-right groups going all the way back to george lincoln rockwell um and

00:16:36.780 in the 60s 70s and 80s this trilateral relationship was kind of quite well quite uh a well-worn thing

00:16:47.420 to the point where at one point there were 10 000 members of the klucus clan of which like one in 10

00:16:55.060 was literally a federal agent right so i mean they had pretty deep infiltration of these groups and

00:17:03.360 some of the leaders would give information freely um because they kind of liked the notoriety of it

00:17:11.360 they liked the the notoriety of you know being seen to be you know the big bad or whatever in the in

00:17:19.340 the eyes of the people or they were truly true believers and they thought well you know this will

00:17:24.440 get me more followers or something um and when the the kind of alt-right came about and the the kind of

00:17:34.360 decentralization of the internet and the fact there were just so many people spread all about and there

00:17:39.960 was no they were kind of a disorganized mess if you want it was kind of very um there was no central

00:17:47.140 leader there was no real hierarchy that that was a little bit of a problem uh for them initially um

00:17:55.520 and then how can i just put this uh certain people then did start to get more organized and actually

00:18:06.140 started to create groups that more closely resemble the sorts of groups they had pretty fully under

00:18:12.680 control back in the 60s and the 70s and i mean i understand what you're saying right yeah i understand

00:18:19.700 what you're saying too because it's a bit of a catch-22 right because if you ever want to get

00:18:23.560 anywhere you need to organize but they know that right and they actually prefer it when people do have a

00:18:31.720 hierarchy people do have specific leaders you can take out people do have a kind of chain of command

00:18:38.080 because that can be gamed that can be infiltrated in a way that somebody like bronze age purvish 0.79

00:18:45.620 shit posting on twitter cannot be if you understand what i mean what i'm saying so he can definitely be 0.79

00:18:51.080 gamed i mean and and what i would say is they're also learning they are also i i see i i kind of 0.86

00:18:59.300 disagree here go on go on so i i i definitely understand what you're saying and i also and and the

00:19:07.740 decapitation is is a very effective way of ending someone and as we know then the media loves a

00:19:16.540 narrative and they they love to pull someone up by the bootstraps knock him over the head send him to

00:19:24.260 the mat and then maybe pull him up again you know they they like these kind of inflation deflation

00:19:31.280 narratives so i agree with all of that but um i think we're kind of in a bit of a 2.0 sphere here

00:19:39.620 um and i i would recommend that you read some of these books like the the one of the ones that i read

00:19:46.700 was called this is not propaganda it's a it's a interesting book on a lot of things going up to

00:19:53.200 2016 and it's that yeah i someone mentioned this the idea of a kind of network society so

00:20:00.440 there were accounts that would tweet endlessly about say the green revolution in iran in 2009

00:20:09.900 or thereabouts and then they would just go silent for a year but they but they have a lot of followers

00:20:15.580 so they earned like 80 000 followers by tweeting 100 times a day and then they'd start tweeting about

00:20:22.160 donald trump incessantly and they'd retain say 60 or 70 of those followers and they'd gain some new

00:20:29.980 ones and then they go silent and then they treat about you know this subject these there's a certain

00:20:37.640 kind of weird in this day and age authenticity of the anonymous tweeter and truth teller and this is

00:20:45.960 something that i think clearly um foreign intelligence agencies have recognized and weaponized um andrew tate

00:20:58.860 being kind of flown out to saudi arabia and converting to islam all of these just weird figures these kind 1.00

00:21:08.080 of meaningless figures uh tweeting ian michael chong is an excellent example this 50 year old 50 something man

00:21:15.800 malaysia tweeting about how they've taken blockbuster video away and how margot robbie is amid and no

00:21:23.480 better looking than a blockbuster employee circa 1993 all of this kind of stuff it can be weaponized

00:21:29.980 and political campaigns intelligence agencies governments know this and use it and even someone

00:21:37.480 like fuentes i i mean i don't want to accuse him of anything directly because i know he kind of like

00:21:43.020 flows and gets in moods and gets infatuated the the kind of pro china stuff that i'm seeing from from

00:21:52.120 him that i'm just seeing clips of well pretty worrying so uh bron i mean i'm sorry bap is like an excellent

00:22:01.460 example of a figure who can be weaponized in certain directions ricky vaughn was like this

00:22:09.080 um so i think the anonymity can be weaponized and so they've they've kind of cracked the nut of

00:22:16.420 the decentralized alt-right which they can't control and they want it for themselves i mean ron de santis

00:22:24.220 has spent tens of thousands of dollars giving it to far-right jewish nazis in order to create

00:22:32.300 cringe videos of like the swastika superimposed on the state of florida so like they're doing this and

00:22:41.820 they're doing it consciously and it's real and so i think we're in a kind of different mode now where

00:22:49.000 what you're talking about apps it can reoccur again might be reoccurring with something like patriot front

00:22:55.700 or whatever and certainly reoccurred in the past but i think there's almost a new danger which is

00:23:01.800 the kind of is it a bot is it a human who is he or she working for etc i i would certainly agree with

00:23:10.520 everything you just said there richard as well that uh since 2016 2017 they have got a lot better at

00:23:18.420 being not not not only um using bots or you know they may be people in call centers or whatever

00:23:26.620 um i mean i've experienced like i said i blocked 7 000 people this week 7 000 right i mean wow your

00:23:35.140 fingers aren't tired huh i said your fingers aren't i mean i'm being uh being a man who grew up in

00:23:43.520 nintendo i uh i can use technology myself to you can just you can use something called blockchain to

00:23:50.600 just block the entire you know a 3 000 follower account just like that and all his all his followers

00:23:57.700 remarkably i did that without taking any hit in my own followership whatsoever which tells you

00:24:03.160 something right 7 000 accounts in our spaces and none of them have any rituals with me i mean it's just

00:24:10.380 kind of crazy um and if you if you go through if you kind of scroll through my uh my twitter feed

00:24:17.460 all week i i have been kind of showing that there's something inorganic that happens when you mention

00:24:25.060 certain words right because they're triggered by keywords so if you want to have a cluster of people

00:24:32.500 attacking you straight away you just mention like you know mention nick or mention the griper or

00:24:39.380 mention keith or something and they're there i first noticed this happening back around uh the

00:24:46.240 canyon us campaign uh where it happened and i blocked about 3 000 accounts back then and uh then it

00:24:53.360 happened with in a much larger way this time it was a much much bigger campaign than the than the kind

00:25:00.240 of gc 2024 campaign um and i mean you know these tools are available to any everyone right so that

00:25:09.820 could just boil down to well elon musk has got more money than kenya west or something i don't know or

00:25:15.140 maybe they've got a bigger budget or something but what i'm saying is it's clear that those it's clear

00:25:20.200 that those uh there's something inorganic going on with that um but also richard to your point

00:25:26.660 they have also weaponized the principle of uh and this is like a technique that goes

00:25:32.320 all the way back to like edward benet's and people like that you know basic propaganda stuff

00:25:37.300 of basically using the big influencer accounts and kind of gently nudging them this way or that way

00:25:45.760 this way or that way um i noticed that the most recent one remember there was that guy with the

00:25:51.340 gingerbeard who just kind of like oh yeah totally sang that song now i i didn't touch that i just

00:25:57.880 thought i was just like yeah you know i've got a kind of sixth sense for these sorts of things

00:26:02.000 but the point is if you want to get red twitter by which i mean not just the kind of steve turleys and

00:26:10.860 the mega crowd but even the dr all talking about the same thing at the same time on the same day

00:26:17.580 it's not that difficult to game that in this day and age either um and that's also one of the things

00:26:24.760 i look out for i i have always both on youtube and on twitter try to counter program my stuff

00:26:31.080 so i'm actually talking about not the same like i i try as much as possible to talk about something else

00:26:37.680 because i'm always thinking well why what why is this coming across my desk what why am i why do i

00:26:43.720 have access to this information um and this is something i've tried to explain to people before

00:26:48.200 just because it's not coming from msm anymore and now it's coming through social media doesn't mean

00:26:55.540 you're not being worked in some sort of way so this is oh yeah this is a more general point i suppose

00:27:00.980 well what was bernese's masterpiece was a a feminist campaign in favor of smoking and so it was like 1.00

00:27:10.960 women went and marched and they were like we can smoke cigarettes too look at us like you know we 0.62

00:27:17.120 can do anything a man can do and it was all secretly funded by marlboro something so i mean just wasn't

00:27:25.720 that the actual thing like i don't think i'm exaggerating no he did he called them liberty sticks i think it

00:27:31.520 was liberty sticks um and and uh if you go if you really dig into that he he was like well who do

00:27:40.540 people trust scientists we need to get some scientists say like cigarettes are healthy you

00:27:45.300 know yeah um so yeah i mean if you haven't read propaganda by bernese it's an absolute absolute

00:27:51.880 classic um yeah but you know these are all techniques they and a more recent book that um all of these

00:27:59.060 nudging people would have uh be familiar with the principles of it's called pre-suasion by i think

00:28:05.620 it's called robert caldini uh where they where there are six really key areas of persuasion like he talks

00:28:13.660 about social proof he talks about uh you know i can't remember all six of them right now but um i mean

00:28:20.660 obviously they know these tactics and they exploit them um and i actually think as well i'm not going

00:28:29.680 to name any names that increasingly certain uh you know certain influencers you know somebody akin to

00:28:38.300 me but not me uh may have actually just been straight up paid off at this point i they could just be

00:28:44.040 working you know they could have i've got a contract to work for somebody uh there are some really

00:28:50.140 obvious cases that i i won't mention but it's like all right okay this guy is now in the tank for

00:28:56.340 this person and they're going to try to transfer their influence onto this thing that they want

00:29:02.040 people to like in progress oh yeah they called it rub well like pedro gonzalez or something i i never

00:29:07.740 liked pedro to begin with but it seems i mean if he's not i didn't want to say yeah exactly well if he's

00:29:18.080 not being directly paid by the you know stand for america pack or ron disantus or whatever it is

00:29:25.580 never back down back then i would in a way have much less respect for him like if he were doing this

00:29:32.120 genuinely that would almost be like sad or even pathological

00:29:36.880 but yeah there's just no way he's not being paid and it's every yeah i don't even need to go into it

00:29:45.620 i i think it's so obvious but i i think there are cases like that and i think they're more kind of

00:29:49.980 dubious cases where it's like something authentic that's maybe enveloped in something inauthentic like

00:29:56.700 the richmond north of richmond guy um he seems to be a real person and how exactly he was chosen

00:30:08.120 might be random or arbitrary or i i don't think it's as simple as they went out and like paid him to

00:30:19.320 write this song i think it was a little more organic it was kind of out there and he was getting

00:30:24.420 like 50 views on youtube for his you know original compositions which is probably like most you know

00:30:31.440 amateur artists out there and there was some kind of campaign where it clicked and they did capture

00:30:40.340 red twitter i mean this is another thing that i've noticed which is that there's very little

00:30:44.700 difference really between like mainstream twitter mainstream conservatives or like alt mainstream

00:30:53.980 conservatives and the dissident right and people who have anime and swastikas on their profile like

00:31:00.880 they all kind of like the same stuff in fact and in fact in fact that that guy the the richmond guy

00:31:07.400 that kind of blew up in their faces because he just came out and said like i'm not right-wing guys

00:31:11.880 and yeah then like you saw all these same accounts like two weeks later like disavowing him and saying

00:31:17.240 like uh you know oh it was a rubbish song anyway all this sort of stuff it's kind of like it's amazing

00:31:23.140 to watch uh it's amazing to watch uh happen over and over again uh it even happened with the band

00:31:29.220 the adl thing um to be honest which is that you know that leaked over into uh kind of fairly mainstream

00:31:38.720 right-wing sources right but if you notice the way that story developed it very quickly became

00:31:46.720 yet another kind of the people versus the woke storyline right yes specifically jewish element

00:31:55.780 was lost and it's like oh this is a massive victory against the woke adl right and uh or became a free

00:32:03.000 as opposed to the zionist adl yeah and you you definitely nailed it because steven miller and

00:32:10.320 from the trump administration there are a number of steven millers out there and um also ben shapiro

00:32:16.180 endorsed it and they were able to kind of successfully navigate it so i what i've noticed is also the kind

00:32:23.720 of like intelligence and adaptation that's occurred among the right where remember back in 2016 and 2015

00:32:32.820 ben shapiro was being just attacked by the alt-right he was just you know lambasting them condemning them

00:32:42.040 left and right condemning all of them and he was being made fun of for being short and you know being

00:32:48.740 jewish uh being made fun of by milo for being jewish i mean you know ironies abound um and he's gotten

00:32:57.900 smarter and smarter and so what i i noticed from like steven miller and um ben shapiro is that they

00:33:04.860 would say things like you know the adl no longer stands for the jewish community or something like

00:33:12.160 that and you know as a uh staunch supporter of israel i condemn the adl so i mean it's they were able to

00:33:20.960 kind of absorb the energy and turn it into something that was really viable for them in fact

00:33:28.240 which is attacking the wokesters who you know are in favor of the palestinians and against this you know 0.97

00:33:35.700 uh the jewish state etc it was it was kind of brilliant the way they've adapted

00:33:40.100 yeah maybe to to me i would call this classic containment just something i've written on

00:33:44.560 quite a bit it's a one of the favorite techniques of power right is to yeah take a threat and contain

00:33:52.220 it um it it actually goes uh well i won't i you can you can read that you can read what i've written

00:33:58.600 on containment uh on my sub stack but uh it's actually something it's actually something that

00:34:03.220 comes out of um shakespeare scholarship believe it or not um there's the there was a guy called

00:34:10.180 stephen greenblatt yeah um the the famous new historicist uh kind of shakespearean and uh this

00:34:17.720 was a technique that they used quite a lot in uh in the tudor and stewart courts um where uh i mean

00:34:24.460 james the first he'd have like three people hanging up right about uh you know they're about to swing on

00:34:31.100 the noose at the last minute he'd he cut the rope and they'd have to beg for their lives and

00:34:37.020 now like then he'd offer them a job or something the threat is being contained i mean that's an

00:34:42.560 extreme example um the much simpler example in recent times is the um do you remember uh in the

00:34:50.640 era of tony blair and george bush a million people marched on london uh against the iraq war yeah stop

00:34:57.920 the war coalition yeah that was remarkable i mean imagine imagine if tony blair was like right you can't

00:35:03.680 protest we're going to get the tanks out shoot you all versus let them have their march

00:35:10.420 for them it was like the biggest win ever they were all congratulating themselves this is set history

00:35:17.560 tony blair got elected again after that iraq war still happened they got away with everything 0.97

00:35:23.580 you know i mean this is that and that's contained and i see the populist right contained over and over

00:35:32.100 and over again uh with all of these kind of false victories in a way i watch my favorite channel to

00:35:38.480 watch and you should watch a rich because i think you'd love it for the same reasons that i do there's

00:35:43.260 a guy called uh dr steve turley who's like oh i used to watch mega populist right i used to watch him

00:35:50.020 and it got to be too much at some point i mean it's hilarious but it's like i mean he made 18 videos

00:35:55.780 about bud light exactly you got 18 videos out of it um yeah and it's like all this energy and all

00:36:03.660 this like the huge win and and i i i have i have often thought red twitter and i'm just the the

00:36:11.380 right in general are the easiest people in the world to to sign up in a way because they're just so

00:36:18.300 desperate for any kind of bit of red meat any bit of you know they they don't even want to look 1.00

00:36:23.760 beneath the surface or anything and so they can be led into anything like they can be pied piped into

00:36:29.380 any little any little trap you want um which is you know why why i increasingly voice kind of

00:36:37.840 skepticism uh about a lot of these things i also i mean just to come back to the hashtag adl thing

00:36:44.420 for a moment to be serious one of one of the reasons i've been kind of critical of these people um

00:36:51.780 who because it was largely the same people who were behind the the 2024 thing trending and

00:36:59.180 becoming a becoming a big thing you know four five six months ago i was against that as well

00:37:05.520 um is because if you have a look at the net effect of all of their activities

00:37:10.900 they all encourage you to basically declare where you are what you know you're basically saying like

00:37:19.080 i am an enemy of the regime yeah i'm gonna have i'm gonna put this little juice symbol in my

00:37:23.020 in my twitter profile i'm gonna join this telegram group and this discord and this one and basically

00:37:29.440 make make you just super easy if they really wanted to to attract all okay who are the supporters

00:37:37.600 these guys here those ones the ones with the juice symbol on them or the guys who tweeted this hashtag

00:37:43.620 right so let's just pretend that elon musk makes a deal with the adl and then agrees oh we're really

00:37:50.960 going to crack down on anti-semitism now how hard would it be to find out whoever tweeted the

00:37:55.860 yeah the ban the ban the ad ban the adl and they could be like there it is there's the there's

00:38:03.860 a hundred thousand evil right wingers we can just ban them all at once yes you understand what i'm

00:38:08.460 saying right i i i voiced these same concerns actually last week on this show yeah i i do

00:38:14.980 definitely understand what so but as far as uh the gruypers are uh concerned in particular um what do

00:38:24.140 you think the mechanism is there i mean i i just thought that i i actually had the belief that um

00:38:29.800 you know nick has a uh an organic or somewhat organic audience um and that uh it's you know he

00:38:38.860 i i think that people are just kind of like it it is a kind of cult uh with nick in a pejorative sense

00:38:46.340 of that word i don't treat the word cult as a pejorative generally um you know but maybe not you

00:38:52.940 know from his perspective it's not entirely uh pejorative because he's he's got a lot of like young

00:38:57.980 guys that are energized i think that um you know a lot of his talking points are or are unhealthy and

00:39:05.000 toxic i'm you know the catholicism the the inceldom that he's promoting these sort of things um i'm not

00:39:11.900 on board with um but um but i do have a sense that he is tapping into something that is uh organic

00:39:20.720 uh at least on one level now i think that i i mean i think that people have shown that um

00:39:26.400 he's done some botting for example to increase his numbers at his own site or i've been convinced by

00:39:32.640 some of the uh data that i've seen showing that he is um you know increasing the views of his own show

00:39:40.580 at his website um you know maybe even by as much as twice um uh but nevertheless if there is an

00:39:49.880 organic audience there and that he's just doing that to kind of you know it's sort of the phenomena

00:39:54.140 of like well um you know if you give an appearance of success then that will drive more people uh to

00:40:02.960 your show if it seems like a lot of people are watching it so he's he's he's trying he's playing one

00:40:08.020 of those games but as far as the trolling is concerned um i you know i definitely think it

00:40:13.640 is the case that a lot of these guys get into chat rooms and organize specifically to you know attack

00:40:20.240 certain people i mean they've done it to me they've done it to you they've done it to others i think

00:40:24.560 they've done it to um you or me mark mark there's too many of them yeah there's too many of them when

00:40:29.520 you block 4 000 people and then it's like oh here's another guy who joined in september 2023

00:40:36.680 with 300 followers none of whom are mutuals none of you know some of these guys didn't even follow

00:40:43.880 keith woods some of these guys like i mean and you if you look at their behavior they're quite

00:40:49.480 clearly bots i mean there's no now that's not to say that those bots are being paid for by the

00:40:54.860 government or something like that it could be it could be as you say an attempt kind of smoke and

00:40:59.780 mirrors campaign to you know make him seem like a bigger deal than he is but it's just like you know

00:41:05.080 when you when you've been on twitter for as long as some of us have you can tell what's real and

00:41:10.460 what's not and some some of those things just aren't you know i i you know how can i put this um i was

00:41:18.220 getting guys who follow me with like way smaller uh followerships than i have to try it out just to

00:41:26.700 try out the keywords and to see how quickly the reaction time would be and to see how many of those

00:41:32.620 clusters is it was it was like catching um pulling out flypaper catching flies right and i think i've

00:41:39.260 got the entire network now it's about 7 000 the the 2023 one was the 2024 one was smaller um bear in

00:41:48.680 mind that was another 3 000 people so what i'm saying is if nick has if nick genuinely has a dedicated

00:41:56.240 audience of that many that organized right maybe he'll will be the next coming in mussolini or

00:42:02.680 something but i'm afraid to say that they're just it's just obviously not real um would you say that

00:42:09.280 some percentage of it is real because even you know in other words it could be a kind of self-fulfilling

00:42:14.760 prophecy to some extent so some kids will just be uh you know disaffected teenagers who are see a lot

00:42:21.700 of people joining this trolling campaign so will join themselves uh yeah i mean that's why and that's

00:42:27.420 and that's that's the purpose of it of doing it right because you want to feel like you're part of

00:42:33.140 something and there are definitely real people right there are definitely young young guys who

00:42:38.720 who are kind of swept up in all of this and i all i'm saying is is that when it comes to this

00:42:45.880 there are just too many odd things right i mean you mentioned somebody you you mentioned somebody you

00:42:51.280 went to jail who for speaking outside on jan 6th well i mean he was there on jan 6th and he didn't

00:42:58.120 he didn't go to jail he he flew to london and met keith woods and took a selfie in broad daylight

00:43:04.260 and yeah i mean british security services had nothing to say about that yeah just just just so you know

00:43:11.040 i'm not even i'm not even really contesting your premise i'm just um i'm just uh uh you know just

00:43:18.800 curious as to the uh i i guess to what extent like if you said if you could give a kind of

00:43:25.680 percentage number what percent of it is organic and what percent of it is uh synthetic and uh

00:43:32.740 constructed what what uh percentage would you give i i think the core i think the core organized group

00:43:40.360 my estimate would be about 600 and i'll tell you why because when that when all of this first kicked

00:43:47.500 off in uh november december last year they tried to raid my youtube channel and i have a very organized

00:43:56.120 mod team who basically just banned them all that day and that was it that was the end of it so they

00:44:01.800 clearly don't they clearly don't pay for the campaign on youtube as much as they do on twitter right

00:44:07.260 and i know i mean you can pretty much see them like they're there in the telegram group right

00:44:12.760 oh go on target that one target that one target that one but but that that core that core organized

00:44:19.860 group is about five six hundred you can also just see it on cozy right just the viewership numbers on

00:44:25.200 cozy right how many people how many people watch this show or that show i'm meant to believe like a guy

00:44:31.440 who has a who has a show which 500 people watch now has like 7 000 people trying to

00:44:36.260 trying to attack somebody who said bad something bad about him on twitter i mean i i tell you i i am

00:44:42.560 someone with a dedicated audience right with a loyal dedicated audience that i built up over years

00:44:48.180 and people who will defend me and so on right organically it would never be that fast it would

00:44:54.200 never be that dedicated it would never be in that high amount of numbers right just just just wouldn't

00:44:58.980 happen and if and if that is real well that's what i'm saying he's probably got enough to like

00:45:04.140 march on row at this point but uh i doubted it somehow um yeah i mean i mean to your point

00:45:09.900 like but it could even be and maybe you think this theory is incorrect well could i it could be people

00:45:16.160 promoting guys like nick obviously a backers of nick could be funding campaigns yeah absolutely yeah

00:45:22.400 or nick himself could be funding campaigns theoretically he's got some money i mean right you have you have to

00:45:29.680 think about though what like the video i made about the trilateral relationship between the adl these

00:45:35.480 far-right groups and law enforcement is as follows okay the adl want to tell a story and the story they want

00:45:42.560 to tell right is always the same there are record levels of anti-semitism now so we need more influence

00:45:53.140 more power more money you want you all everybody on this call knows the adl's core game right you need

00:45:59.220 one of our experts to come in and tell you how to run your platform you need one of our experts to come

00:46:05.080 in to write your kind of speech codes right and the adl i mean one thing i've noticed about them is that

00:46:12.720 there's almost nothing too petty right i i was having a look at a lawsuit that they filed um just a couple

00:46:20.420 of days ago against um this little group in california it's like a kind of little educational

00:46:26.680 group super woke super kind of uh you know they do that latinx latinx thing right um basically teaching

00:46:34.960 like ethnic studies courses to a couple of little colleges and a couple of schools in the california

00:46:40.000 area okay they have just hit that group and those schools with a massive lawsuit basically saying like

00:46:47.400 yeah there's a problem with this group because they're teaching uh anti-semit anti-semit uh anti-semitic

00:46:54.580 uh materials that are critical of israel or or whatever right there's almost nothing too small

00:47:00.040 that that the adl won't kind of chase up right they kind of they're very thorough and they're very

00:47:06.000 organized in that way and if you if you want to tell the story that there are record levels of

00:47:14.040 anti-semitism going on on twitter right now a bot campaign of 10 000 uh either bots or people in

00:47:22.500 call centers uh harassing every public figure and calling them a jew is probably going to be quite

00:47:29.340 you know if you wanted to collect that data and and show it in court or you wanted to um you know

00:47:36.160 just uh publish it on the adl website and you know when they're giving their pitch to whatever the

00:47:41.140 company is to say well there has been a 250 increase in anti-semitism since 2002 on the

00:47:47.100 uh since 2022 on the platform it's basically doing their job for them isn't it you understand what i'm

00:47:53.700 saying whether it's doing their job for them don't don't you think it was curious that that blood tribe

00:48:01.980 group kind of materialized the weekend of the bandy adl campaign um i was talking about this a little bit

00:48:11.180 uh last week and you know i'm not i'm obviously not positive about this and i think also multiple

00:48:17.800 things can be true at the same time that group can very well be genuine but you just need a little

00:48:27.120 push here and maybe a shove there and a little facilitation here and you've got yourself a big

00:48:34.100 you know nazi clad rally on a florida highway and it did the coincidence was pretty start startling

00:48:44.920 in fact that that happened just immediately afterward

00:48:48.720 yeah remarkable that there is there is also while i'm uh i only have a few minutes but that there is

00:48:57.340 also another aspect of this story because i've been you know i've been uh when i kind of get into

00:49:03.480 something i start researching it inside and out and um again i don't know if this is news some of you

00:49:09.720 guys will not but one of the little discoveries i made is that the the spLC and the adl are not

00:49:15.120 actually the best of friends um they actually compete for you know those uh experts advisory

00:49:22.200 positions and budget and you know that they're actually uh to use juvenileian language kind of

00:49:29.820 rival castles within the system um the spLC want the one the experts to be one of their guys right

00:49:36.580 and not the adl guy i mean sometimes they work together sometimes they they don't right but what one

00:49:44.220 of the little discoveries i made along the way was that when jonathan greenblatt took over from abe foxman

00:49:50.220 he basically tried to muscle in on the spLC's turf and um you know he started talking much more about

00:50:02.240 kind of civil rights and he was more sympathetic to like black issues and like was less how can i put

00:50:08.460 it like more obviously left wing if that makes any sense and less kind of overtly i mean obviously

00:50:16.700 it's the adl so it's going to be quite jewish but kind of you know he he started talking about some of

00:50:21.340 these other issues um and you know he's obviously a bit more democrat i think he i think greenblatt had

00:50:28.340 some sort of background with obama at one point right um and uh apparently the the me too stuff

00:50:37.800 do you remember when a lot of the me too stuff happened back in 2018 i think it was of course yeah

00:50:44.360 um this was pretty strongly backed by the southern poverty law center and a lot of the people who were

00:50:52.260 hit were uh big donators to the adl like harvey weinstein and various other characters and um

00:50:59.680 and yeah so one of one of the things i didn't quite appreciate before now because you know from the

00:51:08.100 outside looking in it looks like a blob right it looks like this is just the regime they're actually

00:51:12.940 like gangsters who are launching these operations against each other all the time right yeah and uh one

00:51:20.240 of the little interesting little things is the there's a kind of uh there's an odd splc angle

00:51:28.560 to what has been going on recently that you may want to dig into uh in in your own time uh so that's

00:51:35.420 just something to be aware of um a hidden dynamic uh the other thing is that when jonathan greenblatt

00:51:42.180 made that move to muscle in on a splc turf he actually lost a lot of his more conservative

00:51:49.260 zionist support like the adl lost credibility with some conservative zionist types not all but some

00:51:59.920 right so this talking point that the s that the adl has lost its way is starting to get louder in

00:52:07.620 specifically jewish publications yeah and if i was to make a prediction as to what may happen

00:52:13.420 ultimately i think all of this may result in greenblatt stepping down and being replaced

00:52:20.440 at the end of the day what happens now in two years or something i think that uh the adl has

00:52:27.660 itself come to be seen as being a bit too woke a bit too partisan and so on and so you know they need

00:52:35.960 they need an adl that's kind of going to be as friendly with like ron de santis as it is with

00:52:42.420 like the dnc yeah well you've got to go hunting where the ducks are and in terms of sympathy towards

00:52:50.520 zionist causes and jews in general that's now increasingly just a right-wing phenomenon

00:52:59.000 i mean i don't i don't think the when i when i've seen jonathan greenblatt interviewed and other

00:53:06.120 other times i did get the sense that it's what he's doing is a bit outmoded he was like you know

00:53:14.560 oh you know we're the we're the put upon oppressed jewish community and we're going to talk to the put 1.00

00:53:20.400 upon oppressed black community and maybe the native americans will you know come on board and so on

00:53:26.400 i i think that kind of stuff made sense decades ago i i think i don't think the left wing views

00:53:35.720 israel like that at all and i think the left wing is actually very sympathetic towards criticism of

00:53:44.860 hypocrisy on the adl you know like what we can't boycott israel we can't speak out on behalf of 0.80

00:53:52.480 palestinians rights and so on and yet you're you know you're frantically waving your hands about 0.99

00:53:58.440 about the nazis on twitter this is bullshit i think actually a lot of left wing people are highly

00:54:03.520 sympathetic towards that yeah i mean and to the earlier point the if you have a look at 0.98

00:54:08.900 splc funded talking points it's a lot about like you know indigenous ethnic voices you know

00:54:18.800 how do we get to like hear the real native america and all this sort of stuff or you know it's

00:54:25.380 post-colonial it's kind of post-colonial stuff and the the ad if you if you reading through that

00:54:32.020 lawsuit that i posted early on is quite interesting because the adl kind of try to phrase the things

00:54:37.640 in a way like oh yeah of course we support all of these things but don't you go bloody talking about

00:54:43.640 the palestinians all right that's basically what boils down to like do not draw attention to the

00:54:48.240 fact that israel was founded in 1947 thank you very much um and and i do think that this this will

00:54:55.140 as i think you you talked about this a couple of weeks ago right richard this will increasingly

00:55:00.800 become untenable yeah on in the left-wing coalition because it's just like well you cannot maintain

00:55:07.300 these two narratives at the same time and if you have a look at the people they're suing

00:55:12.680 it's not like um well they're not wasps these people in california they're not wasps

00:55:20.120 so it looks like punching down as well it looks like straightforward adl oppression of you know

00:55:26.800 literally like latino and black professors in california whereas the ron de santis people would

00:55:33.280 eat that up like birthday cake you know yes and go after the wokes my my long-standing thesis is the 0.94

00:55:41.860 whole the woke is going to get put away as part of this that the woke is like um that there's a

00:55:51.200 there's a comedian in this country called david baddiel uh jewish comedian who wrote a book called

00:55:57.220 jews don't count what that book is about if you read it is uh is actually about jews not being 0.59

00:56:05.320 part of the progressive stack anymore jews no longer being jews basically being seen as like rich and

00:56:11.920 powerful and you know essentially is just white not as and there's been a few flare-ups of that um

00:56:18.700 again people can only remember like one new cycle back but do you remember when uh jonathan greenblatt

00:56:25.880 basically told off whoopie goldberg a naughty school school girl on television remember that i do remember

00:56:32.340 that i mean that was basically you know this flare-up happening uh of which obviously

00:56:39.240 writ large is kanye west essentially it's kind of kanye west is just one aspect of

00:56:45.500 this other story that's happening over on the left um so definitely well let's do this aa uh that's a

00:56:53.700 good note to end on and i don't want to keep you too long because i know you've got it you have some

00:56:57.720 commitments as well uh coming up uh but thanks for being on and you are obviously welcome back

00:57:05.280 anytime fantastic and i will uh i will just say uh i do have my new book out prophets of doom at the

00:57:13.200 moment so check that out it's the it's the sequel to populist delusion and uh it's uh covers um

00:57:21.060 in much the same way it covers some interesting thinkers i start with vico and we look at uh

00:57:28.200 gobinu and carlisle and spengler and glubb and arnold toinby who nobody ever reads anymore that's kind

00:57:36.480 of interesting guy evolo's in there so it should be a good kind of primer for excellent history and

00:57:43.140 to think civilizationally uh but anyway i'll uh see you guys soon thanks for having me excellent yeah

00:57:50.080 thanks for being on yeah i have ordered my copy and uh i will be reading it shortly and uh hopefully

00:57:56.640 that will replace kind of like tom sunich's book which is a bit not perfect as a kind of

00:58:03.080 well i don't talk about like why it's really important to be a pagan

00:58:05.300 but uh you know maybe you guys agree with that but yeah all right i'll see you guys soon

00:58:13.160 talk to you soon bye bye

RadixJournal - September 13, 2023

I've Got the Pope Blocked

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