RadixJournal - Is Atheism Even Possible？ [Live-stream]

00:00:00.000 All right. Good morning, good afternoon, good night, wherever you are. Very happy that you

00:00:08.260 are joining us live. We have Ed Dutton, of course, and then we have Devin. Atheism is 0.99

00:00:16.080 Unstoppable joining us, and we're going to have a broad conversation about, I think we'll probably

00:00:26.260 talk about everything, but we'll talk about faith, what atheism kind of means in the West,

00:00:31.680 degeneration of the West, how atheism might be a part of that or a symptom of that, maybe a cause

00:00:37.320 of that. But before I introduce everyone, I want to suggest that if you would like to join the

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00:01:13.500 First off, special guest, Devin, how are you? Welcome.

00:01:19.020 Oh my God. How did I get here? How did it all come to this, Richard?

00:01:24.100 Well, the way I did it is that I said that I'm Lauren Southern, and I would like to have a

00:01:29.200 conversation with you about the future of the Republican Party. And you bought it, and now here

00:01:36.340 you are.

00:01:37.140 Well, I'm glad I can join you on your show because I'm penciled in later for Derek Chauvin's

00:01:42.580 podcast. So it's good to get this out of the way first.

00:01:46.000 Right. Yeah. So you should, yeah.

00:01:48.840 I have known of you.

00:01:50.040 The second animated man in America.

00:01:51.460 Exactly. I've known of you for quite some time. And I guess I'll just get the formalities out of

00:01:55.760 the way. I'm sure everyone has to give the caveats. Richard Spencer is the personification

00:02:01.500 of evil and is the devil reincarnated. And I disavow everything he says. And I, yeah. Now, 0.92

00:02:09.220 having said that, we can talk.

00:02:10.940 Yeah. Your being on here is like an act of resistance in many ways. Yeah.

00:02:15.560 It's like walking through a minefield.

00:02:17.280 My agent told me- 0.55

00:02:18.480 Everyone thinks that if you associate with Richard Spencer, then you're a white supremacist. I'm not a

00:02:23.240 white supremacist. I'm a British supremacist.

00:02:25.800 Exactly.

00:02:26.640 That's a very different thing.

00:02:28.300 Well, I've always-

00:02:29.120 The British Empire.

00:02:29.960 Yeah. Have you noticed that the Nazis get called white supremacists? And I always was tickled by

00:02:35.100 that because clearly they burrowed down and could care less about whiteness. Life is a little bit 0.99

00:02:42.380 more complicated, but apparently not in America because that's where it gets flattened out. But

00:02:45.800 I don't want to spoil. I'll let you lead the dance. Go ahead.

00:02:49.220 Sure. Well, I'm interested in the topic of atheism. This is something that Ed and I have talked about. And

00:02:59.280 I think I was joking before we went live that Ed's a self-hating- Well, I joked that he's a self-hating 0.78

00:03:07.360 atheist. And Ed's response was that- Ed, do you want to give your response?

00:03:12.480 Ed Well, I said that I'm perfectly happy to be an atheist to the extent that I am one, but I would

00:03:20.180 prefer it if other people believed in God.

00:03:22.580 Right.

00:03:23.280 I don't want to be in a world where other people are atheists. I'm content most of the time. I've always

00:03:30.560 said I believe in God sometimes. So very occasionally I find myself having religious belief, but most of

00:03:35.500 the time there's nothing particularly there. But I don't want other people to feel like that.

00:03:40.500 And when I was younger, I was a screaming out and out atheist. I was known as Atheist Ed. That was

00:03:47.920 my nickname at university. I was an evangelical atheist. And I was in opposition to these

00:03:54.920 fundamentalist Christians, these evangelicals and whatever. And as I've got older, the more I've

00:04:00.060 realized that it is those people who are nice and pleasant and kind and who you can rely on and who

00:04:06.140 have a sense of meaning and who are happy and who are content. And it is the atheists, and the data

00:04:11.940 bears me out on this, who tend to be physically ill, mentally ill, narcissistic malcontents and 1.00

00:04:18.860 generally unpleasant people. And they have now taken over society. And look, be careful what you've 0.96

00:04:24.740 wished for. I've got my dream that I have at my Catholic boys school when I was younger. I've got my dream

00:04:30.300 of an atheistic society. And I think it's a lot worse than the society that preceded it. So that's

00:04:36.460 why I say I'm happy for me to be an atheist, but I don't want anybody else to be an atheist. 0.79

00:04:42.340 Devin?

00:04:42.940 That is a very grim portrait of atheism. But I will say, when I used to talk about atheism,

00:04:48.200 that was one of the sticking points that I believe religious people would kind of stab into us, 1.00

00:04:53.100 into our flank and twist the knife, which was, I think atheists commit suicide more. I think that 1.00

00:04:58.480 might be true.

00:04:59.480 That's true, yeah.

00:05:00.300 Yeah. And I guess the rebuttal to that is, I mean, I don't think self-delusion is an answer. I grant

00:05:08.000 you it's better than suicide. But I think, look, atheists, we're looking into the abyss. We're 0.97

00:05:13.460 looking into that terror, and we're facing the demons of our situation. So we're basically,

00:05:19.740 you know, we're looking down the barrel of the existential crisis of mortality. And it's not easy.

00:05:26.320 There's no easy fix. So when people say, what are we going to replace Christianity with,

00:05:30.080 the religion with, it's clearly not atheism. That's not even an answer to that.

00:05:33.940 Right. Well, then, so that's what I mean. So it's, I mean, it is, it is spreading negative social

00:05:42.380 epistasis. It is spreading negative feelings. It is also an evolutionary mismatch. We are evolved

00:05:50.940 under harsh conditions to believe in God. It's an instinct. I agree with that.

00:05:54.800 It's been at times of stress. It's associated with positive feelings. It's associated with being

00:06:01.480 pro-social. It's associated with binding society together. It's associated with physical health.

00:06:06.020 It's associated with mental health. It underpins ethnocentrism. Indeed, it's been shown that being

00:06:11.560 group-oriented, it's the same part of the brain that is stimulated when you think about God and

00:06:17.360 things like this. So it's this thing we're highly evolved to. So if you take it away, you put people

00:06:22.040 in an evolutionary mismatch, like, I don't know, locking a dog in a room and never taking it for

00:06:26.680 a walk. And you, and you send them mad. And I think that's, that's what we're seeing. So it's a,

00:06:32.680 it's, it seems to me, it's a, it's a very bad thing. Most people live a lie. Most people get

00:06:39.900 through life by living a lie of many levels. And it seems to me that if there's one thing that is an

00:06:47.180 example of a positive big lie, it's even if, I mean, maybe there is a God, I don't know,

00:06:52.920 but assuming you're right that there isn't, is this, because people don't lay down their lives

00:06:58.600 for, you know, rational, logical belief, most people, but they will, they can be induced to

00:07:04.820 do so for their people. And if they think their people are God's people, I think there's all kinds

00:07:08.180 of positive things to other people believing in God. I just think that there's got to be a way

00:07:15.380 that we push forward instead of going backwards. So I hear a lot of sort of nostalgia for the days

00:07:21.700 of religion, or I wish other people were religious, but like, you're not going to convince people who

00:07:26.440 have, I mean, we're through the looking glass here. And I am willing to grant that atheists, 1.00

00:07:31.960 just because we're right, or let's say we are correct about the, the God prospect, that doesn't

00:07:37.600 mean we're not lying to ourselves on a variety of other fronts. So we have socially constructed

00:07:41.820 lies that we live by.

00:07:42.900 So why do you, why do you, why do you want to tell the truth on this one then?

00:07:46.280 Just because I think it's the most important one. I think it's of paramount concern. And I think that

00:07:51.940 it's, it's disrespectful to ourselves individually and as a species to not fully grasp our situation.

00:08:00.720 But we're not meant to grasp it. That's the thing. We, we, as a species, if you look at the,

00:08:05.600 and this, this cycle happens over and over again, we reach a certain, we are this homo-religiousness

00:08:12.540 species. We evolve under religiousness. Religiousness is selected for, because it's associated with

00:08:18.540 physical health, mental health, group orientation, whatever. We select for this. And then eventually

00:08:24.400 we reach a certain level of luxury or whatever it happens to be, where, where this, this dysphoria 0.92

00:08:31.700 is, is created, where we lose our, our belief in God because we're very, very low in stress

00:08:38.560 or whatever. And so, so selection among intelligent people, selection pressure is weakened. They

00:08:43.400 become bored. They become despondent. They start advocating atheism. It spreads. Everything

00:08:49.180 is undermined. Everything that holds society together, belief in aristocracy, belief in, in

00:08:53.820 patriarchy, absolutely everything is on belief in your uniqueness of the people. You get exactly 0.99

00:08:59.280 the same thing in the winter. You always get it. You get atheism, you get feminism, you get

00:09:03.260 immigration, you get whatever, you get people not breeding, you get declining IQ, and you get 0.73

00:09:07.800 collapse. And, and so having atheism is an expression that we're in our winter. And it just makes that

00:09:17.340 winter worse, I think. Grant, go ahead. Well, let me, I kind of want to go on this because

00:09:23.920 I, I, I think there are a lot of interesting topics. First off, like Ed, I, I think in our

00:09:29.680 last, um, discussion, I mentioned that I attended church, Episcopalian church for Easter and that

00:09:37.400 I was kind of happy there in a way. Like I, I don't, I, I, I hope that I don't have a kind

00:09:44.440 of spiteful, uh, visceral, uh, attack on the kind of remnants of culture and, and community.

00:09:53.640 And I do think that there are many atheists who are like that, that would see, um, basically 0.62

00:10:00.300 Episcopalian white people gathering together, feeling a sense of community and, uh, want to

00:10:07.760 annihilate that as, as just, you know, that's, you know, you know where that leads kind of 0.97

00:10:11.960 thing. I don't, I'm obviously not like that. I I'm, I'm the reverse. Um, but I, there are

00:10:17.900 a couple of different things going on here. I mean, first off, I think there are different

00:10:21.320 types of atheism and, um, one of there, there's a, there's a certain kind of happy atheism.

00:10:27.960 I don't think it's right to say that the Richard Dawkins type people are maladjusted or, or so on.

00:10:35.620 Um, they, they seem to be rather optimistic kind of liberal types. Um, atheism is associated

00:10:41.780 with high intelligence as Ed has detailed. Uh, so high intelligence is generally speaking

00:10:48.620 associated with good health, although that does, um, at the extremes that can be a little

00:10:53.960 tenuous. Uh, so I, I, I think there is a certain type of well-adjusted person who really does

00:11:00.600 want to see reality as it is. And that that's a, that's a sign of health. I think there's

00:11:05.660 also a kind of, let's call them the Dostoevsky and atheist or, or, or maybe even Nietzschean

00:11:11.200 atheist where you're gazing at the abyss and realizing that it's all for nothing. And maybe

00:11:17.080 you might come out of that with a kind of Nietzschean sense that we must, you know, bring meaning to

00:11:22.080 the world and so on, overcome nihilism. But I, I don't think most human beings undergo that

00:11:28.560 kind of existential despair. Um, I would say that the way that I would describe contemporary

00:11:35.000 people, when, when you go to your average target or Costco, I don't think that everyone in there

00:11:41.360 is gazing into the abyss and, you know, hoping that some Dostoevsky and inquisitor will, you know,

00:11:49.040 bring them out of it with a, you know, I, they seem to be, there's a kind of certain kind

00:11:55.360 of passive nihilism as Nietzsche described it in the sense of we go about our life.

00:12:02.680 We might believe in some kind of big fuzzy man in the sky. Who's the big liberal in the

00:12:08.840 sky is basically how I think people understand God at this point. He's not Yahweh anymore.

00:12:13.340 He's, he's a big liberal in the sky. He's like, um, uh, he's like a big Joe Biden type figure

00:12:20.040 going, come on, man. Are you, why are you being racist? I mean, come on. He's, he's,

00:12:27.400 he's Morgan Freeman. He's Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Uh, so something like that, uh, the big liberal

00:12:34.220 out there. And that's obviously not the God of the Jews, Yahweh. That's not the God of Plato.

00:12:40.200 That's not all of these things. But I, I think in some ways what we face is a kind of passive

00:12:45.880 nihilism where there is no God, but it doesn't ultimately even matter. And even those people

00:12:52.320 who are, uh, enthusiastically Christian, Christian suffer from the same type of nihilism. I mean, 1.00

00:13:00.780 they're not really fighting for the truth or fighting for meaning on this planet. Um, they

00:13:07.040 have, you know, like, um, reach out and touch faith. Like, like I, you know, Jesus died for

00:13:12.920 me and like, I can call him up any night and he's there for me. You know, it's this just

00:13:16.760 kind of deeply personal, deeply shallow, uh, just connection with your personal friend

00:13:25.140 named Jesus. And I think what kind of, what kind of Christian you're, well, I'm talking about

00:13:31.580 the overwhelmingly popular version of Christianity and I don't know what you're talking about.

00:13:36.620 Well, I'm not talking about that. I mean, you've got to talk about it as a phenomenon

00:13:41.420 and not just, I'm interested in the kinds of Christians that have children. That's what

00:13:45.180 interests me. Well, we want to create more of this. It, having children seems we're creating

00:13:51.120 a lot more. And look, I've had children. I have a reproductive instinct clearly, but we

00:13:56.720 we're, we don't want to just create more cattle for the cowboys. Like you're just perpetuating

00:14:02.900 nihilism. And in defense of what Devin was saying, we like, if we're a, you, you shouldn't

00:14:09.240 make a description, a, um, uh, prescription in the sense that, yes, I, I have no doubt that

00:14:17.920 religiosity of some kind is deeply involved, evolved now is the platonic version of God,

00:14:26.080 which you find among kind of, um, higher educated, high intelligent Christians who, who don't, 0.94

00:14:32.100 who aren't really actually biblical Christians. They're kind of platonic Christians. Uh, is 0.95

00:14:37.500 that evolved? I'm not so sure. Um, and, uh, so, but I agree that there, there has to be some

00:14:43.600 kind of supernatural bonding mechanism where you can't order everyone around. You can't force

00:14:50.540 someone to bond and you, you all, and you also can't, you're not always dealing with like your

00:14:54.980 son or your mother or your sister or something. You, you, you have to have some kind of bonding

00:14:59.700 force that builds a community. And that's what religion does now is our current state of

00:15:04.340 religiosity evolved. I don't think so. And also, I think we should, it is, I think, I think we

00:15:11.500 should, uh, again, but if I, if I refer back to what I was saying about the winter of civilization,

00:15:15.840 you, you find this in, in late Rome. So what's going on with religion now, i.e. that you've got

00:15:23.120 these sorts of ersatz religions that are basically nihilistic, the same multiculturalism where you 1.00

00:15:30.620 worship this, that, and the other. It's basically a religion, but it's ultimately, it's nihilistic.

00:15:34.100 And it's saying that life is bad. The world is bad. Everyone's bad. You're bad. Uh, undermine

00:15:39.200 everything and destroy everything. And for God's sake, you know, get out as early as you can and don't

00:15:43.200 have any kids yourself. This, this kind of attitude. And that was the attitude that was

00:15:47.400 found among the Gnostics in the, in the third and fourth century. It was very, very, very similar.

00:15:51.920 And, and what's comparable across both, both, uh, both time periods is that it was very, very

00:15:56.980 weak selection pressures. We have very weak selection pressure now. It's very warm, um, compared to what

00:16:02.000 it has been in the past. And of course we have industrialization. They didn't have industrialization

00:16:05.920 in the third, third century, but it was warm. It was very, very warm. And that allows this,

00:16:10.800 this, this, the, the, the gene pool to grow and thus the increase in mutation basically,

00:16:15.900 and thus things that are maladapted and can take off. And I think that's what we're, uh,

00:16:20.900 what we're seeing, um, now and that atheism would rise for, well, a variety of reasons.

00:16:26.880 One, it would rise because people would be in a high state of luxury, which would mean they

00:16:32.280 would be low in stress, which would mean that the religious, religion instinct wouldn't

00:16:35.820 hit in as easily. And so therefore they're more inclined to be atheistic. Two, we, there would,

00:16:40.500 it would be the rise in just mutation, which would mean that atheism is associated with

00:16:44.940 mutation, particularly with autism. Uh, autism is the big predictor of, of, uh, of, of being

00:16:50.660 atheistic and basically just testosterone. I mean, we, we did a study, I mean, a colleague

00:16:55.220 recently where we showed that, um, uh, um, religious men have a more feminine intelligence

00:17:03.180 profile than atheistic men. So, so they're, they're, they're, they're more verbally tilted

00:17:08.820 and less mathematically tilted and basically just like less autistic. And that makes sense

00:17:13.440 because what the opposite of autism is, is empathy. And what religious belief is, is a

00:17:17.080 kind of hyper empathy. Um, and so, uh, and so you would expect this rise and then that would

00:17:22.860 cause ultimately this just to tip over into individualism, into questioning everything,

00:17:27.120 into questioning tradition, one of which is the traditional gardens. Then we have this replacement

00:17:31.000 religion of multicultural nonsense, which overtly says it's atheist, although it's got many, 0.96

00:17:36.500 many religious dimensions to it. And, uh, obviously I'd, I've, I've far more time for a, a rational,

00:17:42.680 sceptical atheist than I have an atheist that tacks atheism onto multiculturalism because he

00:17:47.180 thinks belief in God is, you know, that's just what the city right wing people think. Um, but,

00:17:52.100 but, um, nevertheless, I don't, I don't think it has done, it has done good for society. I mean,

00:17:57.300 in terms of the arguments for the existence of God, I have to say, I would concur. I don't find

00:18:02.400 any of the arguments for the existence of God convincing at all. Uh, and they're arguing for

00:18:07.800 a platonic God, like they're, they're arguing for a creator, the Elohim from Genesis one is what

00:18:14.600 the, or, or the God of Plato basically is what they're arguing for. Um, and it's just a kind of

00:18:19.900 circular airy, you know, you agree with it or you don't. It's just, yeah, you've got the five,

00:18:26.320 the Thomas five ways. You've got the ontological argument, which is just a playing with words,

00:18:31.960 um, sort of intellectual sleight of hand. Um, you, you, you've got this argument that,

00:18:37.900 oh, there's, there's uncertainty at the subatomic level. And therefore there must be a metaphysical

00:18:42.820 universe, which I just think is just an appeal to complexity. And it's just silly. Uh, and, uh, 0.91

00:18:48.040 and so there seems to be no arguments for it. And the only one that I find remotely,

00:18:51.940 I didn't say convincing, but that I have some sympathy for is the sort of William Jamesian

00:18:56.140 argument, which is that, um, almost like you should ask yourself this, do you value civilization?

00:19:03.420 Yes, you do. Is it therefore necessary? Is it good for civilization to have some level of religious 0.99

00:19:08.480 belief? Yes, it is. Therefore you should force yourself to believe this sort of Kevin

00:19:13.920 McDonnell effortful control in much the same way that we force ourselves to believe that in free

00:19:18.780 will. I mean, we know logically there's no, there's no room for free will. Where's the free

00:19:22.340 will? How does this free will happen? Rubbish. No. There's no free will. It's a rationalization

00:19:26.900 of, of decisions that you're driven to make. Exactly. Yeah. We also, we also don't believe in free

00:19:32.660 because you can't live without believing in free will. You can't, but you, you can live without

00:19:36.920 believing in God. Devin, do you want to jump in? Yeah. Yeah. You guys are verbose. It's

00:19:43.620 interesting, but, um, yeah, you guys have many thoughts on it. I've, I've listened to you guys

00:19:47.420 speak on this before, and I'm hearing some themes come up. Um, one thing I would say as an atheist,

00:19:51.740 it's interesting because you're almost pitting these thoughts against each other. I don't think

00:19:57.260 atheists are suggesting that an atheistic world is necessarily better. It's simply a statement about 0.96

00:20:03.300 the truth claims made by religion. And really, if we could just get rid of the supernatural crap, 0.99

00:20:09.620 I mean, Richard, you talked about, we need a supernatural thing to bond over almost as if 0.94

00:20:14.920 we're trying to wield that as a, as a threat, you know, like, Hey, you better stay, um, behave

00:20:20.780 while you're alive. Otherwise, you know, something's going to happen, but this is a primitive way

00:20:24.760 of thinking. I mean, clearly we can extract the good things from religion, or at least acknowledge 0.92

00:20:29.700 what those are and recreate them in a slightly more dignified manner than believing in ancient

00:20:35.480 nonsense. So no, no atheist is saying, Hey, community and purpose and meaning is stupid. 1.00

00:20:41.600 I mean, maybe some are, but I don't, I don't know. Some, well, some are, but I, I agree. I don't 0.99

00:20:45.680 want to straw man them, but doesn't, isn't that kind of an implication? I mean, in the sense that,

00:20:51.780 you know, I mean, even the community that I saw among Episcopalians, when I, you know, re-entered

00:20:58.120 the cave as it were, um, of my youth, I mean, that is, that's something, but that's not really

00:21:05.300 what we're talking about. And I mean, I guess I'll put my cards on the table as I usually do. Um,

00:21:11.900 I'm not really talking about making people behave in some kind of bourgeois fashion. I mean, I'm,

00:21:18.520 I'm talking about dominance and conquest and maybe even of a planetary scale. And for that,

00:21:26.060 we need, we need, we need strong gods. Okay. But explain that a bit more. I mean,

00:21:32.720 are we talking space travel? Are you talking about this planet? What, what sort of planetary

00:21:36.400 domination? Yeah. Well, there's no, what is the point? I mean, I guess I am more of a Dostoevsky

00:21:41.980 and kind of person. And so I'm kind of like, life is all about suffering and it's really tedious and

00:21:49.220 it's full of anxiety and angst and it's ultimately not good. That's kind of the problem with it.

00:21:55.540 So therefore we need to radically, well, it's, it's ultimately not.

00:22:02.060 No, it is. I agree. I agree.

00:22:05.020 So we, so we ultimately need through a tremendous force of will, we need to inject meaning into the

00:22:15.000 earth. I would agree. I think it is our responsibility. I love the question. What is

00:22:19.940 the meaning of life? As if there's an answer to that. And as if that answer is supposed to come from

00:22:24.460 someone else. Well, what would you think about the idea then, Devon, that in the, in the church

00:22:31.260 of England, a hundred years ago or more people would, in the Episcopalian church, a lot of these

00:22:37.420 high level priests, you know, they, they knew they didn't, they didn't believe this stuff. Really?

00:22:42.180 They didn't believe this stuff, but they thought that it was for the good of the population that these

00:22:47.960 conversations not happen publicly because, because they need to have a sense of eternity.

00:22:53.580 They need to be directed towards war, interplanetary conflict, whatever. And that is an argument

00:22:58.620 for not, for not publicly espousing atheism. Now, the problem with that argument, of course,

00:23:03.680 is it can be reversed. You could have somebody in the British government now saying, oh, well,

00:23:08.640 well, I've read all this research indicating there are race differences in intelligence and I had sex

00:23:13.260 differences and whatever. And yes, this is clearly true, but it wouldn't be good for society for this

00:23:18.060 to happen in public. So it's dangerous for this to happen in public. So it shouldn't happen in public.

00:23:21.700 That's of course the problem with that argument. And that, and that's the, uh, the horns of the

00:23:26.380 dilemma that I'm on. I mean, broadly speaking, yeah, from a purely rational and scientific perspective,

00:23:30.500 there is no room for God. And those that say there, there is come up with the most convoluted arguments

00:23:37.300 I've ever heard in an attempt to say that. So, so it's a mechanic, we're talking about a mechanical

00:23:43.280 system. Uh, and so, well, I hear what you're saying, but I, I feel like you are sort of willfully

00:23:51.240 infantilizing all of humanity. I mean, this is the sort of idea that we should just sedate ourselves

00:23:57.000 with whatever lie, just so long as we can avoid the horror of facing reality. Now this is, this is

00:24:02.760 what children, yes, that's correct. Right. And what me as a, someone who's trying to be slightly

00:24:09.440 more enlightened as an atheist, I would hope that we could get out of the infancy of our species.

00:24:15.100 Good luck with that. If anything, it's going to get, if anything, it's going to get worse. I mean,

00:24:17.700 you, you, you could argue that, uh, 150 years ago, we probably had an IQ that was 20 points higher

00:24:22.800 than we have now. So you, you, if you were preaching to people 150 years ago, but they weren't as

00:24:28.480 stressed about child mortality and death and illness and whatever,

00:24:32.180 as they were then, then you might, you might be able to do this, but our intelligence is

00:24:36.200 declining and it's declining at quite a rapid rate. Um, it's going to be, it's kind of, if we,

00:24:40.380 if we tack it currently at a hundred, it's going to be 85 among white people in America by the end

00:24:44.860 of the century, which is the current IQ of black people in America. So that's going to be the IQ 1.00

00:24:48.620 of white people by the end of the century. So the average IQ of America will be the same as the 0.61

00:24:53.020 average IQ of like Guatemala. Wait, is that like a reverse Flynn effect? What's going on? 0.91

00:24:57.560 Yes. There is a reverse Flynn effect. Forget the Flynn effect. Explain this. Um, this is interesting

00:25:02.160 for our audience and, and Devin might, it's interesting for Devin as well. Explain that

00:25:07.020 Ed, the Flynn effect in general. What happens with the Flynn effect is basically an IQ test is not a

00:25:11.800 perfect measure of intelligence. So you've got the, the, the intelligence can be conceived as like a

00:25:16.980 pyramid at the base that you've got these intelligence abilities, like tying your shoelaces or counting

00:25:21.740 backwards or something like that, which are weakly associated with intelligence. Then you have the big

00:25:25.720 three verbal, spatial, and mathematical that are more strongly associated with intelligence.

00:25:30.560 When then you have the thing that underpins them all, this is G general intelligence. The IQ test

00:25:35.020 does measure general intelligence, but it also measures other things, um, that are weakly associated

00:25:40.120 with intelligence. And so the problem with it is if those things at the base of the pyramid go up

00:25:44.400 really quickly, uh, really, really substantially, then it could come across as an IQ gain despite people

00:25:51.280 not actually getting cleverer. In fact, despite people getting stupider. And that's what was happening. 0.98

00:25:56.060 So there was this very narrow part of the IQ test called, uh, to do with categorization. And that was super

00:26:02.940 pushed up by our increasingly scientific society. And so, and this was on the most, um, environmentally

00:26:08.520 sensitive components of the IQ test. And then that reached a peak in about 1998. And since then, we've been in

00:26:14.200 decline on the, so there has been a reverse Flynn effect. And that's been on the more genetic components of the IQ test.

00:26:19.900 And so what's been happening is that at the genetic level, intelligence has been going down, but it's, it's come

00:26:24.680 across as a rise in IQ tests across generations, but there's the IQ tests are not measurement invariant

00:26:29.820 across generations. And so therefore you have this illusion of the Flynn effect. So we've probably been getting

00:26:35.340 stupider since about 1900. Um, 0.98

00:26:39.700 Okay. Well, yeah, a couple of points here. One, what you guys are describing and what Richard was mentioning, you sound like

00:26:46.740 the character from the matrix who betrays his friends and wants to live in the matrix. He wants to go back to the matrix.

00:26:52.600 You know, you know, the guy who wants to taste the taste of steak and he just doesn't care. I don't care if it's a lie.

00:26:57.900 I'm not sure I'm that bad, but, um, I, I think you could make some interesting comparisons. Um, I, with my supporters,

00:27:05.840 we're actually reading Plato very carefully. And the, the matrix is basically based on the myth of the cave. Um,

00:27:14.800 there's this idea that all people are bound actually in a cave, um, with chains in fact,

00:27:21.360 and they're staring at the wall and they're these, you could call them priests behind them that are

00:27:28.440 puppet masters as they're described in the Republic. And they're, they're kind of shy. They're, they're,

00:27:34.040 they're creating shadows on the wall basically. And, um, Plato's vision is basically you, you somehow

00:27:42.460 break out of that and you look and you see the sun. And so you see the kind of the, the, the context for

00:27:50.020 all good. The, the idea of the idea of good, you see reality, but the problem is you, you reenter the

00:27:56.460 cave and people think you're mad and crazy because you've seen truth. And, uh, how do you break them

00:28:05.020 out? And I guess the question that I asked that is kind of, I find the most tantalizing question

00:28:11.180 is who are those people putting the shadows on the wall? Who are the puppet masters? Are they not

00:28:17.880 just as enlightened as the man who breaks three free and sees the sun? Are they not perhaps more

00:28:24.500 enlightened than the man who breaks free and wants to save humanity? That's, that's a very interesting

00:28:31.580 thought. It's kind of profound, but I mean, look, the truth is ugly and the truth is very harsh. And

00:28:37.940 I understand the desire to sort of sugar coat or delude. Like when I was a child, when I was five,

00:28:44.900 I've, I lost my mother, she died. And I was told that she was in heaven and I was going to see her

00:28:49.440 again. And she loves me and she's watching over me. Now I soon realized that wasn't true. And that's

00:28:55.440 ugly. Now, would it have been smart for my super edgy fedora tipping atheist father to say, uh, actually

00:29:02.400 she's an oblivion and life sucks. And you should probably like, uh, weep about it and shell up. 0.99

00:29:08.640 No, obviously not. But what you're recommending is ignorance is bliss. That's the philosophy that

00:29:14.320 you're basically espousing here. And I just don't know if that's the best way to go about this. And

00:29:20.200 also another factor, which we haven't mentioned, if you just perked my point yourself, but I mean,

00:29:25.500 look, I, you know, would I not be a demon incarnate if I went up to you at age five?

00:29:31.180 By the way, these people who do embrace the void, um, often, um, religion is a coping mechanism,

00:29:40.380 which, um, both reflects mental health, i.e. people that are religious do seem to have lower

00:29:45.260 mutational load and they're less likely to have specific, uh, gene forms that are associated with

00:29:50.260 depression, but also alleviates depression. So people that go to church and do these kinds of

00:29:55.580 things and believe in God and whatever are more mentally healthy. And so if you don't, if you take

00:30:00.300 this away, then what you tend to get, I mean, and any, this is very noticeable is yes, people that

00:30:06.160 are atheistic and more likely to be mental, have mental illness, have mental health problems,

00:30:09.900 uh, because, because if this, if it is, if you really believe it, if you really feel it to be

00:30:14.760 true, if you feel it to be true, really that life has no meaning and it's no, but that's, that's,

00:30:19.540 I mean, that is depression. Um, and, and so then they have to take antidepressants or medicate

00:30:24.600 themselves or kill themselves or whatever, or, or have, or have religious experiences and complete

00:30:30.220 breakdowns or, or manufacture extreme identities to give themselves a sense, a sense of something.

00:30:35.680 So, um, I don't, I can see, I don't think we will ever, we'll ever solve this. I don't,

00:30:40.460 Plato tried to solve it. It's a fundamental problem that yeah, you're reason wise, you're probably

00:30:47.400 right. Yeah. But the, the, it's so bad for society. And the thing is it's, it's only possible to have a

00:30:54.660 society where there is the freedom to, and the space to, for people to go around pontificating

00:31:01.560 about atheism and believing in atheism by virtue of having a society that is optimally sort of group

00:31:08.140 oriented and, and has people that defend it from enemies at the gate and, and, you know, keep this,

00:31:13.960 this freedom, which you didn't used to have. I mean, if we would go back 500 years, they just burn

00:31:18.060 you for saying this stuff. Um, but, but so, so you, you, you could only have this society by virtue of

00:31:23.980 having a society that has this optimum sort of religious balance between group oriented and

00:31:28.820 individual oriented values, but then ultimately having it, having atheism, spreading it seems to

00:31:35.000 push a society, reflect and create a society that is more individualistic, which is what we have now,

00:31:40.360 so that there is then less space to say your opinion. And what eventually happens is we'll just go

00:31:45.880 back to a society and we are going, I'm sure, I'm sure of this. We will go back to a society that is

00:31:49.840 group oriented and religious and Christian again, and where you can't be an atheist anymore.

00:31:54.020 So I almost see this. I would add this though. I, I, I, what you're saying is very compelling,

00:32:00.120 but I, I would add this. I, I don't think religiosity ever goes away. And I, I don't think

00:32:06.460 there's ever going to be a society without it. And I, and I think even what Devin was saying in the

00:32:12.220 sense of like atheism, isn't a thing it's a theism it's, it's a not and not an is, um, so to speak,

00:32:20.100 and that it can't really, it's almost like a bridge to something else. I, I do, I think,

00:32:26.500 and you would agree with me that I think contemporary society with America being a full expression of

00:32:32.980 this is a deeply religious society. I think we're just moving to a kind of new state and I think

00:32:39.140 calling it a secular world is an illusion. You've got the group select group oriented religion,

00:32:47.180 whatever that is, the cult of Rome or whatever, you know, Christianity, whatever that is on the

00:32:52.220 decline and the individualistic basically religion is on the up and there's an optimum period of time

00:32:59.020 where you're free, which, uh, we've passed, we've passed that because let me, let me go on this just

00:33:06.020 a little bit. So you, you know, I was, I was talking with someone just the other day and we were, we were

00:33:12.040 at a, um, uh, kind of pub like place and, and we were just thinking about the employees who are

00:33:18.500 actually earning $15 an hour, but are, are, are, you know, working class type people, what would get

00:33:24.260 them fired from their job? What would get them fired? If one came out as a Buddhist, would he be 1.00

00:33:29.200 fired? Absolutely not. If he came out as an atheist, would he be fired? Absolutely not. If he came out as a 1.00

00:33:36.420 Antifa, would he be fired? Maybe that's kind of an edge case, but probably not. If he can, if he just so

00:33:44.000 happened to drop the N word at some point or question some very basic conceptions of like, you know, human

00:33:53.300 equality in terms of, uh, psychology and intelligence, would he be fired? Yes, he would be fired in an

00:33:59.520 instant for those things. Those are fireable offense. So we live in a world in which heresy is a thing and we

00:34:07.220 live in a, and, and I guess you're, we might be using collective individualism and so on in different ways

00:34:13.400 here. Um, so I don't want to get into a semantic dispute, but there, there is a collective bonding

00:34:20.420 mechanism that is going on right now. Our leaders, if you want to call them the puppet masters of the

00:34:27.940 cave analogy have cracked this nut. There is a religiosity that inflects contemporary society.

00:34:36.260 There is a heresy that is in contemporary society. I think we're all in it. Basically we're all heretics

00:34:41.540 of varying degrees. Uh, and so, I mean, I guess the, the, the question that I have, it's, it's not

00:34:47.640 really, you know, Oh, are we going to go back to Christianity? And so I don't think we're going to

00:34:52.360 go back to Christianity. I think that there has been a, a withering critique of Christianity begin

00:34:58.900 that has been going on for actually hundreds of years. Um, and I'm not sure we're going to go back

00:35:03.600 to it. Um, I think that there is disturbingly a kind of staying power to this religion that has 0.99

00:35:12.960 been generated now, uh, in which, you know, the, the treatment of African-Americans or maybe the

00:35:19.940 Holocaust or something like this is a kind of exit from Eden, a, a, a, a primal guilt, the fall, 0.52

00:35:27.880 original sin, whatever metaphor you want to have. And that these people kind of have kind of

00:35:33.500 special powers. They will inherit the earth at some point. They are building right now,

00:35:38.760 a kind of POC elite coalition. Um, interestingly, 68% of, uh, American citizens who are in the class

00:35:48.080 of Princeton, the freshman class of Princeton right now identifies POC. So they've, they flipped it.

00:35:54.440 The, the majority of elite institutions is POC and you can join this elite structure. Now,

00:35:59.880 maybe all this stuff is just based on lies and silliness, and it's going to collapse

00:36:05.040 totally reasonable to say that, but we have a new, there is a kind of new religion

00:36:12.140 and binding collective that is, that has emerged. And I think it's being created now. And I think this

00:36:22.120 is some, one of the reasons why conservatives or race realist or what have you are always kind of

00:36:28.100 banging their head up against the wall because they're, they're bringing a knife to a gunfight.

00:36:32.680 They're bringing acts to a religious dispute and they just don't matter.

00:36:37.900 So POC is this American term. It means person of color, right?

00:36:41.200 Correct.

00:36:41.960 So 68% of the freshmen at Princeton are, are persons of color.

00:36:46.680 68% of American citizens. And I think it's probably more than that because that's not counting

00:36:52.320 foreign students. 68% of the new class.

00:36:55.380 I mean, I, I agree with you, um, unquestionably with regard to what you're saying about multiculturalism

00:37:01.240 being a new religion. I mean, I think that's now clear. That's the, it's the Christianity. 0.98

00:37:04.200 It's the Christianity of the winter of our civilization. That's what it is. It's the, it's the, 0.98

00:37:08.620 the second religiousness that was prognosticated by, by, um, uh, Oswald Spengler, but, but it's,

00:37:16.080 it's, it's, it's, it's maladaptive rather than adaptive. And I've set out why I think it's transient,

00:37:21.820 but it's very powerful. Fine. If that happens though, and that's the interesting thing about

00:37:26.040 these, these liberals, they, they, these left-wing people, they think in a much more, um, black and

00:37:32.160 white way than conservatives. They're much more essentialists than, than they are nominalists.

00:37:37.200 There's, that's been demonstrated. There's a number of studies on this. They, their thinking

00:37:40.120 is more resistant to, um, to, to logical critique. Uh, they're more attached to their dogmas.

00:37:46.740 And so it's very interesting if they have done that because they don't, they see something

00:37:52.060 like prestige as set in stone. So their attitude is Oxford and Cambridge are prestigious. So for

00:37:59.140 the good of equality, we need to have more black people there, more Asian people there,

00:38:04.100 more children from lower class backgrounds there that, you know, it's fascistic to demand 0.95

00:38:08.580 people can spell properly that these kinds of things in the interest of equality. But what

00:38:13.660 they don't understand is that if you do that, then prestige just goes somewhere else. Prestige goes

00:38:20.080 where rich people go and where the nobility go. And that's where prestige goes. So if you, if you,

00:38:26.780 if you cut them out of Oxford and Cambridge, and this is already happening, um, uh, the, the

00:38:32.100 universities like Durham and Bristol seem to have risen in prestige as Oxford and Cambridge have become

00:38:37.600 more politically correct because the aristocracy just goes somewhere else. So it, it, it, it's a

00:38:43.940 self-defeating to do that. It's very, I might agree with the liberals on this one. Um, I don't, I mean

00:38:49.540 the Durham, all of those other universities will be taken over by the same forces. Eventually it might

00:38:56.640 just be years later. And there's something to be said for, yeah, there's something to be said for if you

00:39:04.260 really want to, you know, generate a new society, you do it top down, you take over the elite

00:39:09.460 institutions and you know, Harvard is that, I mean, yeah, a lot of conservatives now say, oh,

00:39:14.360 Harvard's a joke or whatever. Well, is it though? I mean, literally every Supreme court justice,

00:39:21.260 I guess with the exception of Amy Comely Barrett went to an Ivy league school. Um, I mean, I don't

00:39:27.320 know what to say. Why would it last forever? I mean, there was a time. It won't last forever.

00:39:32.120 The Scottish universities, because they did science and things and they were open to new

00:39:36.840 stuff, um, were more prestigious than Oxford and Cambridge. That, that, that there was a time

00:39:41.620 in the early night until like really the, I suppose the mid 19th century when the Scottish

00:39:46.700 universities were more prestigious, uh, were more scientific and were more based around reason

00:39:52.700 than Oxford and Cambridge. And then there was change and it, and there was a time when these

00:39:57.520 Ivy league universities weren't that prestigious. They were just universities where rich people went

00:40:01.420 that lived in that area. And it was in, I think, uh, Charles Murray traces this in one

00:40:06.340 of the books that he did where the change from, from how you're the clever person born in

00:40:10.780 Mississippi. So you go to the university of Mississippi to you're the clever person born

00:40:14.500 in Mississippi. You go to Harvard. Right. And that change happened in the twenties or something

00:40:18.640 like that. Rich people are still trying to get into Ivies, but, um, Devin, we're, we're,

00:40:23.240 we're dominating the conversation too much. You are our guest. That's fine. I have many

00:40:29.120 thoughts floating through my head. Um, you guys are talking about, uh, colleges and whatnot. And

00:40:34.060 yeah, for me, they're always kind of a pompous fart huffing joke and it happened for a while. So

00:40:39.780 it's a little bit pretentious, but I think even more important is, um, in the media and specifically

00:40:44.820 in the news, because the other day I was doing some research on a murder from 1987 and I went back

00:40:50.760 and I had to research a clip and it was a news segment and I believe it was Peter Jennings.

00:40:54.660 And I'm sitting there listening to this man looking at him and I was overcome with a sense

00:41:00.140 of trust, which was nostalgic for me. And I was like, oh my God, do you remember looking at the

00:41:05.500 news and trusting the man talking back at you? Yeah. Now maybe I was ignorant, maybe I was naive,

00:41:11.740 but to see the decline of that institution to where it is today, I mean, that is a true debacle.

00:41:18.540 And so I think if you're talking about the shifting, uh, sense of prestige, I mean, God,

00:41:24.960 the news, it's no worse example than what's going on in the news. I agree. This is a tremendously

00:41:30.540 important phenomenon and I don't know where it leads because I, you know, we're all in our forties.

00:41:35.920 Um, and so we're, we're kind of in that in between period where we can kind of, we might not remember

00:41:41.980 Walter Cronkite, uh, or the equivalent in Britain, but we, but we do kind of remember Peter Jennings

00:41:47.440 or Tom Brokaw, like this is straight news. This is the truth. This is reasonableness personified.

00:41:53.180 Um, and I, I think, you know, just look at these pollings. They're shocking. I mean, the,

00:41:57.800 the trust is going down and I mean, I think the Trump phenomenon was an expression of this

00:42:03.260 in this interesting way where Trump, he, you know, he had the alt right as his kind of wild and crazy

00:42:10.020 meme propaganda factory and all quasi intellectual force going on, but he was reaching just average

00:42:20.020 normies via Facebook and Twitter. And so they were getting their news from social media before they

00:42:28.540 got it from any top down source. And again, a lot of people, we kind of think that this is a good

00:42:35.100 thing. Um, I, at the same time, this can lead to situations like QAnon. I mean, QAnon among other

00:42:43.440 things, I think QAnon is its own religiosity, but among other things, it expresses the breakdown

00:42:49.180 of that propaganda structure described by Jocky Lule that top down, this is the news. This is real.

00:42:56.940 This is how you act, uh, uh, uh, the type of, of structure. And we're now creating these new

00:43:04.240 structures that people are gravitating to, but you know, they can be kind of toxic in their own way 0.90

00:43:12.240 or ridiculous in their own way. I think we're in this place where I think elites kind of don't know

00:43:18.520 what to do. They don't know how to handle this thing. They don't know whether they want to get

00:43:23.200 social media on their side, you know, or they don't know if they just want to shut down social

00:43:28.260 media altogether. Because at one point they're saying to us, oh, there's no such thing as race,

00:43:33.020 race is a social construct. And you have very mainstream things saying that. And then in the

00:43:37.620 same breath, they're saying, oh, the concept of BMI, they're now trying to get rid of this BMI is a 0.87

00:43:43.240 problem because it persuades black people that they're fat when black and elevates, um, anorexia

00:43:51.440 among black girls by telling them that they're fat because their BMI is too high when they're not. 0.95

00:43:55.460 Why is that? Why does BMI not work with black people? Why? Because they have a different 1.00

00:43:59.680 modal body type. That's why. That's why BMI, it's designed for white people. And so of course, 0.97

00:44:05.720 it doesn't work as well with other races. And so therefore race is real. All but no, race is not 0.56

00:44:09.900 real. And they don't know what they want to do. And this whole situation is so reminiscent,

00:44:14.660 as Paul Goldfried has argued, of the early church where you've just got all these people

00:44:18.280 believing all these different things. The Roman cult has broken down. Yes, you've got the new 0.99

00:44:22.700 multiculturalism, but there's new strands within that rather like Gnosticism that's self-destroying 1.00

00:44:28.300 and self-eating and fighting, you know. Um, and then, and then you've got QAnon, which is quite

00:44:33.120 Gnostic in its own way as well, the belief in the conspiracy devil behind the events. Um, and so there's

00:44:39.020 just total breakdown and split up of coming apart, as Charles Murray said. Um, is it safe to say,

00:44:45.700 gentlemen, that the situation as we see it now is a complete clusterfuck? I mean, what I'm hearing 0.89

00:44:51.440 is like, we live in the information age, but it's more like a food fight with information.

00:44:55.820 There's far too many microphones. There's far too many chefs in the kitchen. When I'm listening

00:45:00.160 to Peter Jennings, he didn't cut away and say, now let's hear the random opinion from this total 1.00

00:45:05.160 idiot from the street or from some e-thought model who happens to have big tits. Like these people are 1.00

00:45:11.080 popular accidentally. And this is an unintended consequence of that popularity. No one planned

00:45:16.880 out by the way, what the internet was going to do to society. This is a one-time, uh, real life

00:45:24.060 experiment that's playing out in real time. And it's a disaster. I mean, the suicide rate has gone

00:45:30.380 up 25% since the year 2000 in America. Wow. I was against the internet from the beginning,

00:45:35.620 from the very beginning. I got quite clear. I opposed it. I, for the whole time I was at university,

00:45:40.160 I didn't, as an undergraduate, I didn't use it. And I insisted on things being sent to me by letter.

00:45:45.380 Well, it's also though, like, couldn't you say this? Like, there's obviously many good things

00:45:49.500 that it has brought, but it's almost a race between us taking those negative aspects and

00:45:55.060 having it destroy us, uh, before it's almost like the, um, the weapons race. So we get more

00:45:59.820 technology. What do we do? We create nukes, but we also create many, you know, we cure cancer or

00:46:04.360 whatever. We, we do good things with tech too. And it's like us versus ourselves. And I don't know

00:46:09.280 who's winning, but it doesn't seem like the good guys are winning at this stage.

00:46:12.720 No, indeed. And one thing that is a problem is that they report what happens on Twitter. So you

00:46:16.700 get the Twitter mob and you can like lose your job over what people on Twitter are saying.

00:46:21.980 And I think that's a serious problem. I think Twitter should be designated as like down the pub

00:46:25.880 and people should no more in newspapers report on it than they would report on random stuff.

00:46:30.860 They overheard down the pub. It should be the down the pub space.

00:46:34.660 Yeah. The thing that's alarming for me, I never wanted to be smarter than the president. I don't

00:46:40.280 want to be more moral than the guy on the news or have more integrity. I definitely don't want to be

00:46:46.160 more well-researched than the guy on the news. You know, I don't want to be a better pilot than my

00:46:50.420 pilot. And so this is what's alarming when you grow up and become an adult and you realize,

00:46:54.860 holy shit, no one is steering the ship. Yeah. And I think we're right in that spot right now. 0.98

00:47:00.860 Oh, I'm kind of an anti-conspiracy theorist in the sense that I think in some ways the real problem

00:47:08.180 is like the lack of puppet masters or the puppet masters are clueless or unenlightened. Like I

00:47:14.480 think this isn't just some game that we're watching or some show that we're watching. I think we're

00:47:21.480 not, it's not a show. I think it actually is. That's how they see life. They haven't been these

00:47:27.460 people. We're now in generations like our own. When Prince Philip died, by the way, I'm quite

00:47:32.540 shocked that we didn't begin this by paying tribute to his royal highness. Well, the good news is that

00:47:38.300 he was reincarnated as a deadly virus that will... That's what he wanted. That was his dying wish.

00:47:44.740 That was his dying wish. He's his savior. That's a good guy. Is it true that Prince Philip was twice as

00:47:50.600 old as DMX? It might be true. That's kind of incredible. Yeah. 99, almost a hundred. Yes,

00:47:58.340 but it was, yeah. But the, um, uh, you made me completely lose my point now and it was very

00:48:04.060 profound. Um, yes, they kept saying that he was, oh, he was from a tougher generation. He

00:48:09.620 was, he was tougher and that's true. That's very true. It was tougher. You were brought up.

00:48:13.880 Life isn't a game. Life is serious and it's serious for you and it's serious for your people.

00:48:18.580 And it's all very, very serious. And, you know, and, and now people are brought up as

00:48:22.700 almost as if life is a game, as if it's a, it's a rehearsal, as if it doesn't matter.

00:48:26.960 It doesn't matter. It's not important. It's not serious. And so therefore they, and therefore

00:48:31.060 we get to this point where we don't even promote our best. That's what Bruce Charlton

00:48:35.060 did this book, not even trying. Once you get these dogmas of equality, which are of course

00:48:38.960 empirically wrong, then you start not promoting the best. You don't promote the best

00:48:42.920 people. You get put them in Princeton because they're POC rather than because they're

00:48:46.920 clever or whatever. You don't promote the best. And then you end up undermining everything,

00:48:51.360 undermining medicine. You're going to soon get people trained as medics in America that

00:48:54.640 don't know how to do basic medical stuff, but they know all about structures of oppression.

00:48:58.500 And the worst thing is you get short women police officers. And that was, and that was the reason 1.00

00:49:05.000 they were able to invade the Capitol was that they fundamentally were able to push over a short 0.79

00:49:10.040 woman police officer, get past her. And they were in, that's what happened. And so it was

00:49:15.340 because of this and I saw it and I don't know why it wasn't commented on very much that there

00:49:19.360 were these group of police officers stopping them from getting through. One of them was

00:49:21.900 a short woman. She couldn't stand up for them. She fell over. They were, they were it. 1.00

00:49:27.000 There were a lot of male cops that got run over too. And one of the people leading that

00:49:31.300 charge was a woman, that woman who died. 1.00

00:49:32.980 So what? The point is that if it had been a tall, muscular police officer, if they shouldn't,

00:49:37.600 police officers should be six foot tall. That used to be the rule.

00:49:40.380 Yeah.

00:49:41.500 Then it wouldn't happen. I don't care what they should be.

00:49:44.440 This is kind of sailor-esque. I, yeah, I, it's fun to talk. I, yeah, there were some men

00:49:52.460 who were, who got surrounded. There were men fighting at the gate. It was a man who shot

00:49:57.180 Ashley Babbitt. Yeah.

00:50:00.200 One of the things, when you guys were talking about religion and comparing the new woke cult

00:50:04.560 to religion, one thing came to mind, which I hadn't thought about before, but this connection

00:50:09.760 to history, I think is one of the selling points of religion. So put aside the eternal life and the

00:50:15.460 universe was created with you in mind. It's, you are connected to thousands of years of human history

00:50:20.920 and that feels good. You are nested in the warmth of that understanding. And this is when I hear woke

00:50:28.060 people, specifically blacks who I call bleeps, but I guess, where are we? Odyssey. Okay. I'll say 1.00

00:50:33.300 you can call them blacks. You can use the B word. Yes. A hard P. So the bleeps talk about 400 years 1.00

00:50:42.000 and I was always taken aback. What did they mean? Why are they including 400 years as some random

00:50:47.180 arbitrary starting point of their coming into North America? They weren't there for that. Why is that

00:50:54.240 their thing? You don't get those 400 years, but then I realized they want to be connected to the past

00:51:00.400 because there's, there's a bond there and there's, I mean, there is a purpose for that. And I see that

00:51:07.380 in that parallel. And I'm just wondering if we could somehow- That's why it's going to win. And because

00:51:12.100 look at the opposition to it. I mean, who, there's this guy that I follow on Twitter and he annoys the

00:51:18.360 hell out of me. I think his name is David Lindsay. He wrote a book called Cynical Theories on

00:51:23.060 Apparently the Frankfurt School were cynics. That was the issue with them. Um, but he's always 0.98

00:51:28.620 basically just saying like, let, you know, in the words of Kylo Ren, like let the past die. Like it's,

00:51:34.500 it's just, it's just kind of like, we're just individuals right here. Why are you attacking

00:51:38.720 us as white males? That's so unfair. That kind of attitude is, is almost atheistic in a, in a way,

00:51:46.420 because it is ending that component of religion, which is connecting you to the past and connecting

00:51:52.380 you to a larger story. There is no story. We're just a bunch of individuals sending out resumes

00:51:57.680 and tweeting and, and that will lose. That might hold sway for a little while. That will lose

00:52:04.860 to a dogma that connects you with the past. And so that African-American who has no identity 1.00

00:52:12.540 from contemporary life, you know, who's just kind of like buying, selling stuff, what life sucks, 0.98

00:52:18.900 whatever. Oh no, actually I was on a slave ship and I'm kind of connected to that experience and story

00:52:26.460 that is infinitely more powerful. Similar things with, uh, whatever. Yeah. And all that. Yeah. And one

00:52:38.240 thing interesting, I've noticed this in recent years is the use of the word back in. So people

00:52:44.040 say, Oh, back in the 1950s. And what they're, what they're implying by saying that is it's, Oh,

00:52:49.580 it's a different era. We're not connected to it. It's something else. And I've noticed that there's

00:52:54.100 an increase in the use of the word back in, and there's also an increase in how recently people,

00:52:59.540 they say back in 2016, five years ago, for God's sake. And it's actually that that's, if you,

00:53:06.020 if you live in a society where you're bonded to the past and there's this profound bond between

00:53:10.500 you and the past, it's not back in. Right. It only becomes back in if that, if that bond is

00:53:15.660 somehow weakened, um, or if, or if we're living in a revolution and change is so radical that a 0.99

00:53:20.940 couple of years ago seems like a millennia ago, or if you're becoming stupider and your time horizons 0.99

00:53:25.880 are lower. And so therefore your sense of time sort of slows down. Um, but, but it's interesting. 0.97

00:53:31.940 I've seen it all the time now. I, the most recent I heard was back in 2016, back in 2016.

00:53:37.840 You know, I think there's something so comforting about this connection to the past. And it reminds

00:53:42.760 me of people who are, if you're suffering right now, if you're depressed, it could be a myriad of

00:53:47.660 reasons why, but typically it's because you are disconnected from other human beings. You are not

00:53:52.780 belonging to a group. So you might be ostracized for whatever reason. You might be a geek. You might be

00:53:57.720 autistic. You might be a shut-in, whatever it is. The solution to that tends to be getting out there, 1.00

00:54:03.520 forming connections, having humans around you, belonging to a group of humans. But this also

00:54:07.720 applies on a historical level. So on a grander scale. And that's why things like religion are so

00:54:14.760 attractive because it puts you in a meaningful context and this makes you feel good about yourself.

00:54:21.160 And you guys talked about how religiosity is an evolutionary thing and it's part of us and it's in

00:54:25.620 our DNA essentially. And this, what we've seen today is essentially a modern version of ancestor

00:54:30.740 worship. They are trying to tie themselves to some greater family of people. And that's why,

00:54:37.000 by the way, the concept of race, what is race but a large extended family?

00:54:41.000 Yeah, literally.

00:54:42.380 Right.

00:54:43.440 And that's why you get, you do get some people that are atheists that will involve themselves in

00:54:47.960 religion. I mean, there was a, there was a priest in England in the nineties called,

00:54:51.780 what was his name? And he wrote a book called God in Us, Anthony Freeman, that was his name.

00:54:55.900 And he basically argued that what, he was a priest in some village church in Essex or somewhere.

00:55:02.300 And he basically said, look, what these people are doing, it's like this society called the

00:55:06.000 sealed knot, which is where people get together and they reenact civil war, English civil war

00:55:10.660 battles in the clothes. They're redoing what their ancestors did. And that's what these people 0.63

00:55:15.240 are doing in this church. They're doing, going through these rituals that their ancestors

00:55:18.680 went through in order to commune with their ancestors and commune with each other. And

00:55:22.240 that's the point of it. And he basically said, he doesn't believe in God. He's a priest.

00:55:26.660 He said to ask whether God exists is like asking what kind of the wind is, you know, it's like

00:55:31.260 asking, is the wind green? It's a meaningless question. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a matter

00:55:35.400 of bonding us with our ancestors and going through rituals that our ancestors did because that's

00:55:40.760 what we should do. And he was defrocked the day after that book was published for saying

00:55:44.640 this, but I, I think he made some very, some very reasonable points. And, um, Andrew Fraser,

00:55:49.880 who is a Australian Canadian lawyer, academic, uh, argues a similar thing. He's done a book

00:55:56.220 called something like, something like Dissident Dispatches, Christianity for the Alt-Right, um,

00:56:01.340 which has a picture of the, that frog on it, the cover with the, Peppy the Frog with a, with

00:56:05.420 a mitre. And Mitch, he argues a similar point.

00:56:08.280 That was back in 2016.

00:56:09.460 That was back in, yeah, that was back in 2019.

00:56:11.680 We don't do that anymore. That was, you know, I'm thinking of another thing that religion 0.99

00:56:19.260 provides and it's not just this connection to the past and inserting yourself into a

00:56:24.040 grand story. It is, um, it's a glorious story. This is not just a long period of time. You

00:56:30.760 are a hero in this story and you will ascend to even more heroics out in heaven or in, you

00:56:37.180 know, in eternity. And so I compare that to the black experience in America. Their history 0.99

00:56:42.680 is the exact opposite of a glorious one. It is one filled with humiliation. Their own

00:56:47.260 names are often not essentially their own names. So they're not connected to a successful story

00:56:53.180 or a story at all. And so in lieu of that, I think this is why this cult of wokeism is

00:56:58.700 even more attractive because it not only connects them and bonds them in a group. It's trying to

00:57:03.540 say, look, you guys are beautiful. You have black pride. You have, um, you know, you're,

00:57:08.780 you would be Wakandans. You are great. This is a message that humans like to hear, especially

00:57:14.620 if they're suffering from, you know, an inferiority complex or just a lack of a good feeling about

00:57:20.560 yourself.

00:57:21.660 Yes.

00:57:22.060 I don't feel that like as a white guy, when was the last time you guys have referenced

00:57:26.300 something that white people did 400 years ago? Well, you guys are historically, uh, well-versed,

00:57:30.640 so you might have, but I've never been like, Hey, for 400 years back in 1600, a white guy

00:57:35.240 did this. And I'm going to talk about that. And that has relevance to me somehow. Never.

00:57:39.440 There's no need.

00:57:39.820 You said back in again. That's what I'm saying. Let's not say back in 1600. Let's say we're

00:57:44.540 connected in an unbroken line to these people from 1600.

00:57:48.520 Here's the problem as I see it is that you do see this to a, to a degree among conservatives

00:57:58.340 and let's go back to, sorry, uh, let's return to the 1776 project, which came late in the

00:58:07.060 Trump administration and they put forth a kind of national religion in this thing. It was a

00:58:14.860 kind of cringe inducing document, but it, that was, that's what it was attempting to do is trying

00:58:19.700 to create order, create a sense of pride in the nation that actually involves everyone and the

00:58:25.840 way they describe America. What, what, what does it really mean? Put aside money, put aside, we won

00:58:33.420 wars, whatever. What does it really mean? And it's a creedal nation that isn't based on this long

00:58:41.060 story and it, and it, and it's a kind of severing away from the European story. I mean, that's how

00:58:46.520 I would boil it down. You can see this in heritage foundation put out all of these statements that,

00:58:51.540 you know, America is unique. Uh, they're quoting Chesterton, actually not my favorite person,

00:58:57.260 but, uh, America's unique. It's based on a creed and not a race. And so the problem I, as I see it,

00:59:05.620 I think conservatives kind of naturally tend towards some kind of religious like understanding

00:59:11.620 of who they are and where they are in the world. But there's this, this poison that is injected

00:59:19.160 into conservatism from the very beginning. So what it means to be an American is to believe in this

00:59:26.620 system and to be an individualist and, and so on. And so I think all of this, we, we can't change all

00:59:35.420 of these things, but we can look and criticize the kind of new religion that is developing,

00:59:40.480 whether you want to call it multiculturalism or POC or whatever, um, wokeism, but until you change,

00:59:48.240 until you offer a real alternative, it's radical. Kauffman looked at this though, this thing about

00:59:55.820 America being based around certain values and enlightenment ideas, that's only really become

01:00:00.520 popular since the sixties. I mean, before that it was, we are Anglo-Saxon people. And indeed we are

01:00:07.540 more Anglo-Saxon than the Anglo, than the English. We're the real Anglo-Saxons. We've inherited these 0.99

01:00:12.020 liberties and freedoms that the Anglo-Saxons didn't have, uh, in England, that they became taken over

01:00:18.020 by the Normans or whatever. And we're not, we're the real Anglo-Saxons with these real freedoms.

01:00:23.300 We're the real Indo-Europeans. This is Madison Grant, Theodore Roosevelt. This is the kind of myth

01:00:30.740 that they were trying to create. The, the problem is they did lose. And for, for a number of different

01:00:38.960 reasons, they, they lost out in academia, the Boazians won academia. The problem came really in 1.00

01:00:45.640 the 1950s. And I'm sorry if I'm going to get divisive here, but the problem came with the onset of the,

01:00:51.620 of conservatism, the conservative movement surrounding, um, Catholics. I mean, it, you,

01:00:58.360 you went away from the Anglo, a kind of Anglo-Saxon supremacy, which is clearly present in Madison

01:01:05.340 Grant, who is wildly popular for a time, Theodore Roosevelt, who's president and writer and icon.

01:01:12.920 Uh, you went to a new conservative movement that was largely Catholic in inflection and, and Jewish

01:01:20.320 to also a very strong extent. And they created this poison, poisonous myth in which America is based

01:01:29.740 on kind of vague religiosity and creed, a creed and a creed that involves individualism. And that we are

01:01:38.120 still paying the price for the birth of the conservative movement. And I think this is a problem

01:01:45.420 that's just really underestimated and is not put into kind of, let's say, just racial terms in a way,

01:01:52.420 which is how we have to understand it. It, the conservatism as it developed was a usurpation

01:01:56.840 and what happens in America reverberates around the world. I mean, that kind of conservatism that I

01:02:01.560 described, you can see, uh, articulated in, in current British conservatism, et cetera.

01:02:08.460 And it's a real problem and it needs to be destroyed, uh, before anything new can come into

01:02:15.820 the world. I'm trying to understand why anyone today, or maybe in the past, it was easier to

01:02:22.600 understand this. Why would anyone care about national identity? Like, does it, it, at this stage,

01:02:29.320 it couldn't mean less if it tried. I mean, we are totally at each other's throats. I don't care that

01:02:36.980 I'm American. And it's just such a lazy cop-out of a thing to put meaning into for, because you did

01:02:42.760 not create America. So first, first of all, what's the attraction? The attraction, I guess,

01:02:46.280 is similar to what we've been talking about. It is an extended family. It is a connection to other

01:02:50.540 people. It is, um, it also, America has a glorious history. So we win all the wars. We have a bunch of

01:02:56.480 great people who have done a bunch of great things. I agree with that. Well, but it wasn't you

01:03:01.780 that did any of that. And so it's, but it was because we are them. Okay. But no, not literally.

01:03:08.160 I mean that you're being poetic. Actually kind of literally in the sense that we're, we're kind of

01:03:14.000 a race is just a kind of reincarnation. You could say that, that we just kind of pop up here and there

01:03:22.580 and we're, we're connected to our fathers and ancestors. I agree. I agree with the kind of,

01:03:28.280 you hear this a lot among liberals where they'll show a picture of like the proud boys and these 0.97

01:03:33.580 guys are like short and fat and ugly and whatever. And they'll be like, Oh yeah, look at these white 1.00

01:03:38.540 supremacists. You know, I, I kind of get that, but it is. And in some ways you shouldn't just rest on 0.82

01:03:46.240 our laurels, so to speak. We shouldn't just be like America's great. We don't, you know, we can just

01:03:50.280 sit back and enjoy it, but that is a proper understanding of like we are us. Like we are them.

01:03:57.540 We, the, our ancestors are living in us now. We are not an individual. We are just a kind

01:04:04.260 of current expression of a biological entity that is eternal, that actually persists across

01:04:14.680 millennia. We are just the latest kind of flower and we'll die.

01:04:19.840 If I could interject, um, do you have children, Devon? No, no. If your child does something and

01:04:31.060 you're proud of it, um, if you were to have a child, why are you proud of it? Well, let's think

01:04:36.420 about why you might be proud of it. You're proud of it because it's that child is 50% you. So there's

01:04:42.120 an extent to which it's, it's your genetics and your evolution, your decisions and perhaps

01:04:49.720 your nurturing as well, although this is also an expression part of your genetics that has

01:04:54.300 helped to create that. So you're proud of something that your child has done. And similarly

01:04:59.940 with the, uh, the, the, we divide into these clusters, these genetic clusters, whatever you

01:05:05.920 want to call them, races, ethnic groups, clans, tribes, whatever. And they create an environment

01:05:11.140 in which a person can or cannot achieve things. And so if, uh, if, uh, if there's something

01:05:16.920 about the nature of a tribe, which you're part, which helps to ensure that that tribe dominates 0.97

01:05:22.340 the world or that tribe achieves amazing things, then there's a degree to which you're playing

01:05:26.820 a part in it. And so you can understand how there would be an element of pride, uh, involved

01:05:31.540 in being even the lowliest member of a tribe that produces some of the greatest people

01:05:36.060 the world has ever known. So I think that's where, um, the pride in, in nation comes from.

01:05:41.200 Yeah, but we're kind of swapping from national identity to racial. I mean, Richard.

01:05:46.120 Well, it doesn't matter. We could say national, we could say racial, we could say tribal, we

01:05:49.420 could say clant. It doesn't matter. The point is it's a collective group that's people that

01:05:52.860 are related to each other.

01:05:53.980 But isn't this the point? I mean, Richard started talking about us and he said, our, this, us,

01:05:59.220 but you have to acknowledge that this is a completely arbitrary social construct and

01:06:03.860 you could choose, look, what do you mean?

01:06:08.460 No, absolutely not arbitrary. No, I'm talking about in the sense that everything's a construct.

01:06:14.200 I mean, no, but, but this is the point. This is you playing the puppet master. You are setting

01:06:17.980 the rules now and you're saying us. And so you went from national identity, which, you know,

01:06:22.960 America has all the races to then just discussing whites. But are we talking about Slavics? Are we 0.71

01:06:27.320 talking about all these other groups? At some point you have to draw lines. And this is just

01:06:31.340 Richard Spencer making up those rules.

01:06:33.080 Yeah.

01:06:33.560 I endorse being a puppet master as I've kind of, in my sinister fashion said, but beyond

01:06:41.100 that, you, you, I'm not creating something that has like no basis in reality. I'm saying

01:06:48.620 something that is real and that, that is like deeply felt by, by proto humans. I mean, this

01:06:55.740 is like the realest thing ever.

01:06:58.000 I understand and agree that there is a lot of major kernels of truth to this. For example,

01:07:03.100 like, I mean, if somebody in your family, your immediate family does something, you take

01:07:06.480 pride in it. You see the through line there. This is part of your team, your thing. The

01:07:12.000 further though you extend that outwards, there's like not a lot of diminishing returns, but it

01:07:17.260 just becomes less and less of an actual authentic connection.

01:07:21.240 But it's still, it's still, it's still, it's still an evolutionary issue, isn't it? So

01:07:26.400 you, you invest the most in yourself, then your immediate family, then your, your, whatever

01:07:31.760 you want to call it, your extended family, your kin, then your ethnic group and the ethnic

01:07:36.560 group. I mean, it's been demonstrated. Frank Salter has done this research where he has

01:07:40.140 shown how many people, let's say, who are banned to would have to emigrate to England for

01:07:47.340 it to be the equivalent of each English person losing a child, right? In, in terms of, in

01:07:52.980 like genetic terms. So these things actually, these things matter. And then from that, you

01:07:57.320 could extend it to the ethnic group and from that to the race and from that to the, a group

01:08:01.420 of related races and from that to the species and from that to beyond the species.

01:08:06.180 I've honed my question.

01:08:07.320 And they're all, they're all levels of relatedness. There's no, there's no black and white line

01:08:12.700 between, um, you know, family and, uh, ethnic group.

01:08:16.660 And I think in the contemporary world, it really is race where we draw those lines. I

01:08:21.400 mean, I, I agree that those lines, those concentric circles might've been drawn closer at different

01:08:27.480 periods, but I mean, there's an interesting passage in, um, beyond good and evil and which

01:08:33.060 Nietzsche is talking about this European man that is developing. And we, we, you know, and 0.89

01:08:39.540 even in his day, we, we have train travel, there's, there's telegraphs, there's postal

01:08:45.000 service. I mean, all these technologies that kind of led to where we are now, where we're,

01:08:49.240 we're talking to you halfway across the world on, you know, the internet and whatever, all

01:08:54.640 those things existed to the, and we have English as a technology, as a lingua franca, as a Latin

01:08:59.840 that is connecting everyone. I could have this conversation with you. I could have this

01:09:04.480 conversation with a, a Frenchman, a German, a Hungarian, a Venezuelan, um, that, so we

01:09:11.380 are kind of becoming a real entity. And a lot of those dividing lines, um, are fading

01:09:20.380 away. I think what conservatism is trying to do, and this is why I find conservatism to be

01:09:26.720 the enemy is that they are trying to create a line based on like credalism. I, either the church

01:09:36.000 writ large, um, or believing in Americanism or free markets or whatever, that is a competing entity

01:09:44.680 to what we are trying to do. Um, but in terms of like ethnicity, kind of breaking down through

01:09:51.460 intermarriage through technology and travel, that is really happening to a point where I think the

01:09:56.680 nation state as it is, is just kind of this artifact of, of a previous era and where we really need

01:10:05.680 now are, are racial states. That is the thing that makes sense. Well, it's funny that you're talking 0.71

01:10:13.080 about that or you're bringing out the big guns, but when you said race is this biological truth that

01:10:18.680 connects us and bonds us and it does so organically, when I heard you say something to that effect,

01:10:23.520 that is true for how people of color view race and they do it unabashedly and they celebrate this 1.00

01:10:30.660 and applauded for it. You might believe that as a white man, but there are very few other white 0.84

01:10:36.160 people who actually believe that sentiment. They don't view their whiteness as something to be

01:10:41.660 celebrated or as something to even identify as. So this is not their tribe. In fact, they reject the

01:10:47.560 tribe. This is the great contradiction where kind of whites are the enemy of what we're trying to 0.93

01:10:54.780 achieve here. I agree that this is a contradiction. Maybe that contradiction is not a right word. Maybe 0.70

01:11:00.180 irony is the right word. I have a question that I'd like to pose to you too. And it's, I thought of it

01:11:04.900 and it's, we're talking about size. I think there's a size issue here. If your conception of us gets too

01:11:12.080 big, how big can it get before it will automatically be pointless and just not even serve you as an

01:11:19.060 abstract thought? Well, I think the multiculturalists have to deal with that question much more than I

01:11:24.460 do. First off, they're in power and I'm not, but beyond that, they are the ones trying to expand this

01:11:30.360 even, maybe even beyond the species in terms of like animal rights and so on. Um, and I think if

01:11:37.700 anything will give us hope that their new religion and their, the world that they have instituted will

01:11:44.500 fail, it is that. Because there is power in size. So I get that for anything, for business, money,

01:11:52.440 just teamwork. I mean, you're not going to kill a woolly mammoth without a few other guys on your

01:11:56.900 side. So, and yet if you get too big, it becomes pointless. There's division. It's so watered down that

01:12:04.100 it doesn't even mean anything at that point. So what is the perfect size of a tribe?

01:12:08.100 It depends on, it depends on the nature of the enemy. So, you know, I would be a poor humanity as

01:12:13.240 a whole should unite in the face of an alien invasion. Okay. And it would be in their interests

01:12:18.620 to do so. Although you would definitely get some, some groups that would probably collaborate with

01:12:23.500 the aliens or something. I can imagine that happening. But, but, but, but, um, um, even, even so,

01:12:28.160 it depends on where you are as, as a rule, if you are in, uh, if there is conflict within Europe,

01:12:34.500 then obviously your, you, you, you, you identify with your ethnic group. If there's conflict between

01:12:39.720 Europe and the Islamic world as there was in the 1600s, then it becomes a more united Europe as

01:12:45.380 indeed did happen, uh, around about the time of the siege of Vienna, people put aside their, uh,

01:12:50.120 ethnic rivalries to, uh, to deal with the common enemy. So it depends on what the nature of the

01:12:54.680 enemy is. Well, it's interesting that you even bring up enemy and I understand why you

01:12:58.480 did, because that's been the, the story of human history. But my first instinct is to say,

01:13:03.720 well, why do we need an enemy? Which there's an answer to that, but the enlightened person,

01:13:09.180 we're a species and we're, and we're compete, we're competing, we're competing for resources

01:13:14.740 and for survival, um, with other people, there's always enemies, you call them opponents, you call

01:13:19.500 them competitors, but ultimately they're enemies. But this is the worst version of tribalism.

01:13:23.520 This is like just cave people fighting someone else. And I understand that you can rally behind

01:13:28.380 a common enemy and that's how, you know, life has worked and I get the competition factor,

01:13:32.940 but shouldn't our goal be to not have enemies and to bond over more positive, constructive

01:13:37.720 things? You can't, you can't not have it. If you, if that's the way you see things,

01:13:40.400 then you just get out, out-repeated and get, you get destroyed. That's what happens with Bushmen. 0.97

01:13:44.560 Bushmen cooperate with the blacks. Well, I acknowledge too, by the way, that this woke cult, 0.98

01:13:49.400 they have a common enemy. And you know who that is? Yes.

01:13:54.500 Yeah. I think you might. Everyone, everyone on this podcast, I mean, yeah.

01:13:58.940 So when you, when you see Asians have, you know, stop Asian hate and they're doing a rally with 0.94

01:14:04.620 black lives matter, there is a big bad wolf in that speech and it is white people or white supremacy.

01:14:10.460 So they are unifying behind a common enemy, which I find interesting, but I'm saying that's primitive 1.00

01:14:15.620 and not constructive and to be avoided. Well, good luck arguing that with them,

01:14:21.760 you know, but you're going to go down in flames. I mean, I say that, you know, with, with the best

01:14:27.760 will, we, we need to recognize that and, and, and bring that into ourselves. So I, I really hate it

01:14:36.300 when conservatives are kind of centrist, like attack BLM for being tribal or something like,

01:14:42.500 Oh gosh, you know, they have a sense of their race and they're, they're, they're focused on

01:14:46.300 this as opposed to rationality or something. Um, that that's, what's powerful about BLM. That

01:14:51.160 that's, what's admirable about BLM. But why, wait a minute, because they're exaggerating.

01:14:56.120 That wins. Yes. Okay. I, there's nothing, nothing else matters.

01:15:01.040 Well, they thrive off it. It makes money. It generates, uh, outrage and fear and they

01:15:05.840 bond over the enemy. And I, I know that that dynamic is, you know, completely real. I guess

01:15:11.880 what I'm suggesting is, Oh man. I mean, look here, here's one thing I'd like to say is I think

01:15:18.480 it's important sometimes when we talk about these things to quantify or at least attempt to quantify

01:15:23.260 things. Like, so when I ask someone if they're depressed, I don't just want to hear flowery

01:15:27.520 terminology. I say on a scale of one to 10, how are you feeling? 10 being, uh, you're perfectly

01:15:32.500 blissful. One being you're suicidal. And so when I get a number, I can get a truer sense

01:15:36.320 when it comes to our enemies right now. I think there's two ways to indicate it through numbers.

01:15:41.760 And these two are the percentage of people that think OJ Simpson is innocent of the double murder

01:15:47.360 and the percentage of people who are in favor of reparations. Now we know those numbers. We have

01:15:52.340 polled people and those numbers, you know, are obviously lopsided depending on the race,

01:15:57.080 but it's about what? 75% of people are against reparations, something like that.

01:16:01.960 Or, or maybe it's a little less. I don't know. It's 85% of blacks are in favor of it.

01:16:06.940 And 15% of whites, uh, want it. So those, that percentage of white people, those I would view 0.56

01:16:13.720 as an enemy to a lot of causes. Um, if you view the percentage of white people, is it what 0.64

01:16:19.800 percentage? At least 15, maybe, no, maybe it's 25 actually. I think it could be 25. Yeah.

01:16:24.600 That would fit. Yeah. That would fit with, you know, so you, there would be, yeah. Cause

01:16:28.480 once you get, once you get about 20% of people that are, uh, that say individualists, then

01:16:33.480 the whole society flips over and we let those people take basically take charge. Oh, and

01:16:38.040 I'm not against that percentage is completely consistent with the research. I'm not against

01:16:43.040 the idea of, I don't shy away from enemies. I don't shy away from, uh, conflict. In fact,

01:16:47.900 somebody told me that they said, Devin, you've made so many videos and you have some

01:16:51.060 people like you, some people hate you. And I'm like, good. That's the point.

01:16:54.340 If I, if people didn't hate me, I am either doing nothing or I'm doing it wrong. So I, I'm

01:16:59.600 not saying that to avoid the battle here. Obviously there are people out there that have interests

01:17:04.260 that are counter to, to your own, to, to someone else. So it's just, I'm trying to figure out

01:17:10.560 the path forward because what they are doing works, a common enemy, but I don't know, this

01:17:16.980 idea of us seems so, so vague and so arbitrary. I'd love to hear your thoughts as to who that should

01:17:24.060 be. And why, well, we can ask our enemies. I mean, we can just rely on them. They've defined

01:17:31.100 the battle lines. They are in power and we are not. Uh, so we don't have really any choice,

01:17:38.540 but to agree and amplify what they tell us.

01:17:42.320 Well, you know what I think the new us could potentially be is just anti-woke. Um, that's

01:17:48.460 not drawn down racial lines, but it's, I don't think it's beneficial to, uh, turn people away

01:17:54.560 at the door if you have reason to ally with them. I think that is going to be the Republican

01:18:03.340 political engineering strategy for the next 10 years is a so-called anti-woke coalition.

01:18:10.540 And I think that will be, um, they won't do anything policy wise because they can't, 0.96

01:18:15.760 they're too lazy and stupid, but they will win elections based on anti-wokeness effectively as, 0.99

01:18:23.100 as they turned out millions for Donald Trump, who was a, you know, kind of bombastic, vulgar 1.00

01:18:30.760 buffoon on some level through ultimately saying anti-woke, the left hates you. The left is crazy, 1.00

01:18:37.780 unhinged, mad. Uh, I think that will be a thing, but I, I think there has to be some people who 0.99

01:18:43.440 recognize limitations to that, that we're on the, you know, we're, we're going for a kind

01:18:49.880 of civilizational project and, and not just kind of impotently raging against the left, because I

01:18:57.380 would say this, I think woke is sovereign, you know, to go back to that, um, anecdote that I told

01:19:04.020 you about, you know, these people working here in the pub, what would get them fired? Would being a 0.99

01:19:08.760 sexual pervert get them fired? No. Would, uh, being a Buddhist get them fired? Would being an atheist get 1.00

01:19:14.940 them fired? Of course not. But, you know, casually expressing racism that they'll be fired in a

01:19:22.000 second. That is what sovereignty is. That is the exceptional moment. Uh, wokeness is sovereign. 0.60

01:19:28.380 Therefore, all of these Republicans raging against it, rage all you like, you are going to lose to that.

01:19:35.160 And it might be successful kind of as electoral strategy, but it's going to lose. So I think we

01:19:40.060 need to recognize that and start, even if we're kind of on the margins or whatever, we, we need to

01:19:47.460 start building up a, a bigger civilizational project that that's kind of our mission.

01:19:55.080 Yeah. And, and who does that include? I mean, cause you can see what they are doing. They are

01:19:58.800 trying to gain numbers and gain power. And so doing, it reminds me of like game of Thrones when the Stark

01:20:04.460 tried to go and fight his brother and he's like summoning all the clans and he's trying to,

01:20:08.660 that's why you have the term people of color. This is a totally artificial fabricated term

01:20:13.180 trying to unite indigenous people with blacks and Asians. When is that last time an indigenous 1.00

01:20:18.420 person, a black and an Asian walked into a bar? Like this doesn't happen. And yet they're trying 0.84

01:20:22.460 to force this tribe into being. And why? Because they have to compete. This is why there's a European 1.00

01:20:29.220 union because they've said together, you know, apes together, strong, you got to unify. And meanwhile,

01:20:34.860 half the white people out there, 99% of the white people don't even realize that they are being 0.97

01:20:40.280 dogpiled upon. They are being vilified constantly and they're in a war. It takes one party to enter 0.96

01:20:46.660 a war. I mean, it's like, we didn't have to agree when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor to being at a war,

01:20:53.100 we were in a war. And so I think people are just asleep at the wheel and they don't even realize

01:20:57.720 that this is ramping up. I would call it exponentially. I mean, since when? Yes. 2015?

01:21:03.580 Well, you were in that war because President Roosevelt fancied the crown princess of Norway and did

01:21:09.460 things for her. What kind of dick pics? What was he up to? Yeah, something like that. Whatever. I think 0.99

01:21:15.140 they probably snogged. I don't think it went further from snogging, but it was kind of an affair,

01:21:21.000 affair of the heart anyway, between President Roosevelt and the crown princess of Norway.

01:21:24.860 At the moment, and I think probably for the next 25 years, upper level, more intelligent whites feel 0.69

01:21:33.820 like they can be the managers of this system. And so they will vilify themselves, in fact,

01:21:40.240 and enjoy it and manage the POC. And in some ways, let's be honest here, the POC coalition needs

01:21:47.540 managers. They need people kind of behind the camera, giving you visions of diversity.

01:21:54.160 In Hollywood and so on. So I think for a long time, maybe for the rest of our lives, whites will 1.00

01:22:03.420 think that they can be the managers of this system and they feel like they will benefit from it.

01:22:09.020 And to a certain extent, they will be benefiting from it. So I think what we need to understand is

01:22:16.700 they have to have a better vision so that they can manage something else.

01:22:24.960 Do you think that the moral panic we're going through right now in regards to racism is worse

01:22:30.640 than the Red Scare and McCarthyism? And if so, to what degree?

01:22:34.740 Yeah, I think it probably is much worse. I didn't live through the Red Scare or McCarthyism,

01:22:40.400 separated by a couple of decades. But yeah, I think it is more widespread. It's more radical.

01:22:48.220 I mean, I don't think if you told me even five years ago that the transgender ideology would be

01:22:56.660 seeping into lower schools, I mean, I would just be like, oh, that's not going to happen. That's just

01:23:02.240 too insane. And now that this is like a norm, you have, you know, old Joe Biden, you know,

01:23:08.900 just kind of going along with it. I mean, it's wokeness is sovereign at this point. And it's not

01:23:15.180 Marxism. It's not actual socialism.

01:23:17.780 The worst thing about it is it's never, because left-wing people are mentally ill, 0.99

01:23:22.580 it's never secure in its sovereignty. It's never like, okay, I'm sovereign. That's it. It's always 0.99

01:23:27.040 more, always more, always wanting, needs more power just to reassure itself. It always believes,

01:23:32.240 ironically, that its enemies, the evil white racists or whatever, are really in power and 0.98

01:23:37.420 they have to be forcing us. So it's an eternal revolution. It's much worse. If you were working 0.97

01:23:43.420 in a bar during the Red Scare, could you be sacked for expressing left-wing opinions?

01:23:48.980 Actually, maybe. Actually, maybe.

01:23:51.940 I mean, it's up there with the Salem Witch Trial, I think, at this point. I mean, it's getting

01:23:56.220 comical levels.

01:23:57.880 I see your point, Ed, but I think actually there was a point where if you were a commie,

01:24:02.280 you'd get fired from being a bartender. But your point stands.

01:24:06.040 I'd like to put you on record, Richard, and just have you explain it. I think you've explained

01:24:09.980 it to me before. The notion that what's wrong with white people, if you don't like that you're

01:24:16.500 being demonized and people have negative feelings towards you, why not just do what you and I have

01:24:21.060 done, which is you live in Montana, which is 90% white. I live in Berlin, which is 90% 0.68

01:24:26.200 white. Why not just do that? 0.82

01:24:29.140 Berlin.

01:24:29.540 Berlin.

01:24:30.660 Berlin is 90% white? 0.63

01:24:32.600 Yeah.

01:24:33.760 Really?

01:24:34.880 Yeah. We got – I mean, it includes Slavs and Russians.

01:24:39.280 There are a lot of Turks.

01:24:40.340 Yeah.

01:24:40.900 Well, we got – yeah, there's a chunk of Turks. But outside of that, it's – 0.98

01:24:44.040 Little white.

01:24:45.620 Right. No, we're not counting that. I kicked them out of the white race, in fact. But what 1.00

01:24:50.580 is wrong with that as a solution for, I would say, the near term, but for the duration of

01:24:55.440 your life? Why not just go to where you're comfortable?

01:24:58.060 I think that is a solution. I think there's a kind of internal migration that is happening.

01:25:03.840 I mean, this is a kind of – I think I mentioned this before. This is just a funny anecdote.

01:25:09.480 There were supposedly 30,000 new vehicle registrations in the Flathead Valley recently. Like everyone

01:25:18.020 from – you get all this migration from Texas, from California. And so you meet all these

01:25:25.100 people that you'll say, oh, I grew up in Texas. I grew up in Houston or something. And I think there's an

01:25:30.800 internal migration going. And I think that could be a good thing if that leads to something

01:25:35.280 bigger, if it's just simply running away.

01:25:37.260 If it's 153,000 people left California in 2019, just that year.

01:25:43.660 But I mean, what I'm saying is why even LARP and pretend that there's a political viable

01:25:48.020 solution in terms of some ethno-state that's never going to happen when you essentially live

01:25:51.780 in an ethno-state right now and it's like, you know, why put yourself up against an unconquerable

01:25:59.300 task?

01:25:59.900 Well, because I know that's not the ultimate solution. And so when I talk – I mean, first

01:26:05.460 off, what I talk about in my dreamier moments do have historical precedents. And I would go

01:26:14.640 back to that just unquenchable, maybe unspeakable drive that you have to have. I don't want to

01:26:22.880 run a small business or just get on in life. I want to be part of a much bigger project. I think I

01:26:33.240 have a kind of thumos, if you want to call it that. There's some spiritedness that infects

01:26:41.580 people who are engaging in this. And maybe it's a kind of contrarian. You want to kind of poke holes

01:26:48.520 in the system or whatever. But I think that's part of it, I guess. But there's a kind of spirit

01:26:53.280 that you want something better. I don't want us to just merely survive. I mean, that's almost kind

01:27:01.080 horrifying in a way. We have to flourish and move higher. And only we can do that. And we have that

01:27:10.400 mission as a people to improve the entire planet and ultimately explore the galaxy. That is what we

01:27:19.580 are here. If we don't have that mission, then why are we bothering with life? Because at the end of

01:27:25.280 the day, life is no good. You can go move to the suburbs. You can go move to Montana and it's fine.

01:27:31.860 But it's ultimately tedious drudgery. Life is no good unless you inject some meaning into it.

01:27:40.340 Okay. It sounds like you seek glory. It sounds like you would have been a guy that got on a ship

01:27:45.360 and went out to the new world. You want the adventure. I've heard you use the word

01:27:49.320 conquest and conquer. Well, that's what your ancestors did in both cases. That's what your

01:27:55.260 ancestors did. They got on a ship and went out to the new world. Most definitely.

01:27:58.820 And then you've branched out. You've gone back to the old world, which is, I suppose,

01:28:02.880 the new world from your perspective. Oh, no. Literally, my family is part of the British

01:28:08.080 Empire. We did it all. We went out and did it all. But the question would be, what is left to conquer?

01:28:13.680 What is the final frontier? I mean, you've brought up space. Are you literally thinking that this is

01:28:19.080 a project that you're going to take part in in your lifetime? Probably not, sadly. But there needs to

01:28:26.000 be people pushing towards that for that to ultimately happen. I do think that we are in a state,

01:28:34.760 we're kind of in an age of anxiety, very similar to the age at the end of the Roman Empire.

01:28:40.600 Ed and I actually talked about the Bronze Age collapse in the last podcast. I mean,

01:28:44.080 there are these periods of anxiety and degeneration and collapse that seem to recur

01:28:51.000 about every 500 to 1,000 years. I think we are in that point right now. And yeah.

01:28:57.920 And so life is better. Go ahead.

01:29:01.920 I cut you off. I apologize. You think life is better when you have a goal,

01:29:07.040 when you're moving towards something. And if you don't do that, you described it as boring. It's

01:29:12.740 tedious. And essentially, you're just going to look, stare into the void, and it's going to laugh back at

01:29:17.340 you. And you're going to die. And so, okay. And I think that there's some logic to that. And I would 0.96

01:29:23.700 agree. I guess the next question would be, what are the projects? What are the goals? And have we

01:29:27.980 kicked the tires on those goals? And are we sure about them?

01:29:33.120 Those are very good questions that need to be addressed. I mean, I think what we are doing right

01:29:39.480 now is kind of talking about those projects and, and kicking the tires of them. And I think in some

01:29:46.300 ways, one of the challenges right now is to have kind of intermediate goals where we have the big

01:29:53.600 picture, but we need to kind of have some more pragmatic goals. I mean, there's not really a

01:30:00.820 institution for this type of thinking. There are multiple BLM institutions. BLM is at Yale. BLM is

01:30:07.700 the actual BLM. BLM is, you know, these institutions exist. I think one of the problems with the alt-right,

01:30:16.640 if we want to still use that term, is that it's kind of personal brands, maybe a webzine. It's kind

01:30:22.780 of a bunch of cynics and contrarians just throwing stuff out to the ether. I think that is actually a

01:30:31.420 real big problem. And we need to start working as a team. When we were working as a team,

01:30:39.740 that really created a tremendous amount of anxiety among our enemies. And that was interesting. And we

01:30:49.620 have to get there. Now, the way we did it back in 2016, obviously did not work. I've admitted that.

01:30:57.780 I mean, I faced reality. You just have to. There has to be a different way of doing it.

01:31:05.100 And I think some of those ways we can talk about publicly, some of those ways we shouldn't talk

01:31:09.320 about publicly. But I think we kind of need some more intermediate goals at this point. I think

01:31:14.940 that's actually a challenge for us right now. Yeah. I have to go soon. If you have any of these

01:31:20.700 private, these chats or anything. Oh, let's read the super chats. Yeah. I've been messaging

01:31:24.640 you for the last half hour telling you. Oh, yeah. I haven't. I haven't been looking at

01:31:28.660 that whatsoever. Okay. Um, so, uh, let's go here first. What are the consequences of higher

01:31:38.280 school? Oh, that was from yesterday. Um, uh, I agree with Ed about, um, okay, this is the

01:31:46.940 first one. So this is Yehuda Finkelstein, um, uh, prolific donor. I agree with Ed about

01:31:53.740 not wanting most people to be atheist. Why are militant atheists such jerks? 1.00

01:32:00.540 There's a variety of reasons for that. I mean, I'm a, uh, what I call a true blood atheist. 1.00

01:32:06.020 So like I was born an atheist. I've never came from religion. And so I don't have a chip on my

01:32:11.740 shoulder. I'm not trying to dunk on Christians. I'm not trying to convince myself that I'm

01:32:16.820 right. So there's no hard feelings in other words. Um, but there are a lot of atheists

01:32:21.060 who are not in that boat and they can be cunts. There are cunts of all around the world of 1.00

01:32:25.340 all different stripes. That is true. Um, okay. Uh, I've never heard an American use that word 0.98

01:32:34.660 before. Oh, well, I'm, I'm first generation American. I was named after Devonshire. So

01:32:40.740 interesting. Uh, Shulgyi for 25. Thanks for the live stream, Richard. Keep up the great work.

01:32:47.620 Thanks for everything you do. Well, thank you for that. I, I agree. This is a fantastic conversation.

01:32:53.100 Um, Yehuda Finkelstein again, Ed, should Harry and Megan be barred from Prince Philip's funeral?

01:32:59.260 I think I would like to put a poll on Twitter, which is, should Harry and Megan be allowed to go to the

01:33:07.880 funeral and then be taken to the tower of London for treason? Or should they be simply immediately

01:33:13.260 arrested at the port of entry and taken to the tower of London for treason? What if Harry,

01:33:17.440 what if he showed up dressed as Adolf Hitler, like he once did? 0.69

01:33:22.620 Or naked, as he also once did. Turned up naked or dressed as Adolf Hitler, because that's the 0.81

01:33:27.380 kind of thing he does. So, so Harry, what a Chad mind has been overthrown. It's, it's, he, he seemed 1.00

01:33:35.460 to have real, like he was, I don't think he was an intelligent guy, but he, he seemed to have kind

01:33:40.080 of real rambunctious Chad, like instincts. He went into the military. He was, I wasn't there rumors

01:33:45.820 like he was going to Vegas and just like, you know, banging all these chicks or whatever. I mean,

01:33:51.000 not that I endorse that, but yeah, but, but yeah, just this, the cucking of Harry, it's, it's,

01:33:59.180 you hate to see it. He succumbed to his gingerness, I think. It's a shame.

01:34:03.740 He did. They are very high in estrogen ginger people. 1.00

01:34:07.660 That's the real difference. That's why they get cancer of the rectum. It correlates with estrogen.

01:34:12.560 Wow. You're not just joking. That's real. No, no, no, no. Okay. James Madison, Richard,

01:34:25.480 what are your thoughts on Richard Nixon? Like Trump, he was clearly disliked by the powers

01:34:31.400 that be, but also made some bad appointments like Kissinger. Would things be better if he

01:34:38.660 had beat JFK? That is a interesting question. So he, he things, he did beat JFK, I guess,

01:34:46.880 stopped the steal 1960 version. There was, there was actually, I think most mainstream historians

01:34:53.800 kind of agree that there was tremendous amount of fraud, I think in Illinois and Texas. So he kind

01:34:57.700 of did beat JFK, although it was a razor thin. Yeah. I mean, I think Nixon was one of these people.

01:35:04.600 I, I'm, I'm probably less hostile to Kissinger than maybe the super chatter is. I think Nixon

01:35:11.320 and Kissinger were developing a kind of post cold war realist strategy or that was very interesting.

01:35:20.420 And I think the outreach to China was an example of that, that they were kind of getting over 0.91

01:35:25.980 the hyper moralism all or nothing of the cold war and, and, and, and, you know, kind of creating

01:35:33.000 certain factions and, and treating people as equal and not judging them on their domestic behavior,

01:35:39.160 but judging them, treating an enemy, not as a hostile enemy that he must destroy, which is the

01:35:44.820 rhetoric of the cold war, but, but treating them as real meeting with them. And so on, I think there's

01:35:48.760 actually a lot of positives. Uh, then election of 72 was just an absolute landslide. It was as if it

01:35:55.400 was like the election of 2020 that, that is activated, you know, middle America, but then we didn't have

01:36:03.720 all of this immigration in between and you just had this landslide election. I don't think Nixon was

01:36:09.720 able to have a vision, a policy vision or, or to implement something. Um, but I think he did kind of much

01:36:16.840 like Trump kind of represented, uh, uh, a certain, you know, back to America kind of back to normalcy type

01:36:24.840 thing. I've used that in, in, with Joe Biden, but I'm using it a different way here. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I think

01:36:32.200 he's an interesting kind of tragic, uh, figure. Um, personally I've listened to, this is a while ago. I listened to

01:36:40.360 this long biography of Nixon, just his whole personal life and being a kind of underdog and, you know,

01:36:46.840 tackling dummy on the football team, not going to the Ivies and being kind of having a certain

01:36:51.960 resentment and chip on his shoulders. Fascinating guy. Um, also though, we know what would have

01:36:57.560 happened if he had won because it's featured in the movie, the Watchmen and that whole comic

01:37:01.640 franchise. Oh, that's true. Yes. Parallel history or alternate history. It's pretty interesting.

01:37:07.720 Yeah. Ozymandias nationalism. That's I guess what I'm kind of promoting. Um, okay. Evan McLaren,

01:37:14.600 my good friend, he's now in Norway, um, with family. Nietzsche viewed Rome versus Judea as the

01:37:20.680 salient conflict running throughout history, uh, but was also critical of anti-Semites. He said that

01:37:27.800 they are driven fundamentally by resentment. Can you unpack that a little? Yeah. Um, it's kind of

01:37:33.560 interesting. I, I, I was joking with some, uh, when I do these private, uh, lives, when they're not,

01:37:39.080 I guess they're live streams. You want to call them that we were joking about that, where when Nietzsche

01:37:43.480 praises Jews, they almost get uncomfortable. And then when Nietzsche, um, Nietzsche did attack

01:37:50.840 anti-Semites and German nationalism as just, you know, beer guzzling Christian resentment. 0.65

01:37:55.080 Uh, but then when Nietzsche will really go really be critical of Jews, uh, Jews really get uncomfortable.

01:38:02.840 He, he's a, a very interesting person. I mean, he kind of in this Nietzschean way, he'll kind of

01:38:08.200 look at both sides of the issue. I mean, Jews were the, the slave caste to end all slave caste. 1.00

01:38:14.520 I mean, it was the, the notion in the ancient world that this people of all people have the 0.87

01:38:20.760 one true God who invented the universe was just treated as absolute silliness. I mean, these were,

01:38:26.760 uh, this just, just banned, not even racially coherent band of liars and malcontents. I mean, 0.98

01:38:33.800 they, they, they, they were viewed extremely negatively in the ancient world. They were

01:38:38.280 not viewed as high intelligent as they are now. Um, correctly. I think the intelligence came later.

01:38:43.880 Um, but at the same time, Nietzsche saw them as creating kind of morality in the grand style.

01:38:49.000 And so in a way we became deeper, you could say by ultimately adopting this resentment slave morality.

01:38:57.880 So there, Nietzsche is a very nuanced person and I, I could go into him at length, but I, I think I'll

01:39:05.560 leave it at that. So he, he saw kind of the morality in the grand style, uh, that, that is world denying

01:39:12.040 and nihilistic, but it can ultimately kind of flip over into something else. And, um, yeah.

01:39:19.400 By the way, Richard, uh, you might get a kick out of the ADL's recent public statement about

01:39:24.680 Tucker Carlson's latest episode where he's talking about white replacement, or he wasn't talking

01:39:28.680 about, he was talking about Republican replacement theory. Yeah. Yeah. They put out a letter trying

01:39:33.640 to get him fired to Fox news. And I think they mentioned white supremacy 20 times in like three,

01:39:40.040 three paragraphs. It's incredible. Yeah. I definitely took note of that. I did a little

01:39:45.960 video on that last night. Um, I, I, it is, he was, he talks about it in the wrong way. It becomes

01:39:52.600 Republican replacement, as you said, you know, we're, we're diluting, you know, and, and I don't

01:39:57.720 think it's necessarily even right. I think in this weird way, I mean, this is kind of my hot take on

01:40:02.920 the matter in this weird way, Hispanics were very attracted to Trump. I think Hispanics might very 0.95

01:40:09.400 well be attracted to an anti-woke coalition. And I think they're not quite a part of this new ruling

01:40:17.560 structure that we see. They're not, you know, it's like black, the black history, the black 0.98

01:40:23.000 experience, that's the original sin. That's those are the people who get moralized and the new POC 0.66

01:40:29.000 ruling class are like people, you know, it's not really Hispanics. Well, Hispanic silence is deafening. 0.89

01:40:36.280 I mean, there are huge in the country and they're really not going on the shows and they're not,

01:40:41.400 they're not even going one way or the other. So I don't even know if I give them a pass,

01:40:45.720 like they should be standing up and being actually anti-racist and pulling it out, but they don't.

01:40:51.320 They don't. And so I think, I think it's actually kind of complicated. Um, and I, and I don't think

01:40:56.600 Tucker was able to get it. And I think Tucker is also just kind of playing these games, you know,

01:41:00.360 of like, this isn't about race. It's a voting rights issue. It's like, you know, come on,

01:41:06.280 come on, man. But he's a political wonk. It probably was him just talking about voting rights. He has no

01:41:11.320 ambition to, to get into that fire. That might be true. And it's good Republican when me get more

01:41:18.840 money basically. Um, okay. The us AIU, uh, wants to know about is a new Aryan centric religion, 0.80

01:41:28.600 hail Apollo. That's from Steven louder for three. Uh, yeah, that, that is my big, uh, well, that's my

01:41:35.880 big project with, um, Brahmin and so on where, um, we're, we're going to bring back the gods and, uh,

01:41:43.400 we will, we will worship the sun. Yeah. I mean, that, I mean, I know this sounds outlandish or silly

01:41:47.800 or like, oh, we're doing Scientology. It's not, it's not a superstitious faith. Um, and it is a,

01:41:53.960 it is a rational faith and a faith of intelligence. And it's also a moralizing faith. And I think a

01:41:59.240 faith that's going to appeal to those, to Thumos and the best of us. Um, okay. Let me go on here.

01:42:06.760 This is the, I think this might be the last one. This was for eight. Oh no, we've had some more.

01:42:12.840 I'll read these pretty quickly. I can't read this name. It's not that it's a bad word. It's just

01:42:17.560 weird letters. Um, as Christianity took a thousand years to annex Europe while incorporating pagan 1.00

01:42:24.600 practices with new meaning, what aspect of current order could be recycled with new meaning? Perhaps,

01:42:31.400 um, I can answer that real quickly. Um, the new order is going to be Christian and they are going 1.00

01:42:38.680 to, uh, they have adopted the structure of Christianity that, that is original sin. Uh, 0.96

01:42:45.640 it is a guilt religion, fundamentally white guilt, the dangers of white supremacy. And it, 0.93

01:42:52.200 and it envisions a kind of new world. It's not, it's not, it is pretty much the meek shall inherit 1.00

01:42:57.560 the earth, but it's a new kind of meek. It's not necessarily the poor or the working class. It's, 1.00

01:43:02.520 it's a kind of new POC that will, that will take power. So when we are opposing this wokeness or

01:43:09.640 something, we are opposing Christianity's latest evolution and maybe, maybe even how it was at the

01:43:15.800 beginning. I mean, it kind of almost neo-Christian returning to origin, so to speak.

01:43:20.600 You know, to add to that, uh, when one religion takes over from another, uh, often it would adopt

01:43:25.720 the holidays and just sort of modify them, but they keep the day because people were just used

01:43:30.680 to practicing whatever holiday on that day. So now you get the 4th of July. Well, for the woke,

01:43:36.360 that's fuck America day, a Christopher Columbus day. I mean, don't even start. Um, there's multiple 0.99

01:43:41.960 holidays throughout president's day. They're like, Oh, those are all slave owners. Fuck you whites. 0.96

01:43:45.800 So they're going to make, take those holidays and then commandeer them and then just spin them to 1.00

01:43:50.760 their own ends. Yes. Uh, I totally agree with that. That's insightful TL. Um, when is Spencer

01:43:58.760 getting his blue check mark? Well, I had a blue check mark and then they took it away. Um, I don't

01:44:05.000 know what they're going to do with me. I don't know. I don't think I'm going to be kicked off Twitter

01:44:09.000 because I more or less behave, but, um, I, they still, they still, I'm not, not as much as they

01:44:16.680 did, but they still kind of want to talk about me, but I've kind of thrown up all these smoke screens

01:44:21.640 and so on where it's like, wait, he's a Biden supporter. He doesn't like Tucker Carlson.

01:44:27.280 So I, I'm kind of engaging in a certain, a certain crypts as you could say. Um, that's where

01:44:33.960 we need to be right now. Um, Mike are for 50. Thank you. Um, what would the, this is for Ed.

01:44:41.320 What would the world look like if English princes never married American divorcees?

01:44:50.680 Um, well, the, the, the first time round, it would mean that George the fourth, sorry, George

01:44:57.080 the sixth would never have been King. So it would have been Edward that was King and assuming that

01:45:03.120 nothing else changed. Um, uh, he married Morris Simpson and he remained, uh, uh, then Edward

01:45:09.920 would have been King during the war and Edward was a Nazi sympathizer. So in that, in that sense,

01:45:15.960 perhaps the world could have been quite different because he may well have used his influence to

01:45:20.640 steer England away from the war and to ensure that, uh, we, we didn't go to war with Germany.

01:45:27.200 So, uh, but it was marrying an American divorcee, which meant that he didn't do that because he

01:45:32.360 abdicated. So it could have been quite different. That reminds me of one of my favorite films

01:45:36.920 remains of the day, which looks at German appeasement and some elites meeting at this

01:45:42.220 great manor house to go over those things, uh, starring Superman before he had his horse accident.

01:45:48.260 I don't know if that short answer I just gave you justifies the very generous donation that you gave,

01:45:53.200 but, um, uh, I don't know what more detail I can, I can go into. I it's quite possible because a lot

01:45:58.700 of people didn't want him to abdicate. He was very, very popular. And so he was very popular.

01:46:04.060 And so, and, and he did her. And so if he hadn't married her and he would have become King

01:46:08.460 and nothing else and remain King and nothing else changed, then we would have had a King who was

01:46:14.400 very, very much as a sympathizer with the Nazis and the King ultimately can decide who you appoint

01:46:19.700 as prime minister. And, um, and he was, he made it quite clear that he was prepared to,

01:46:24.820 there's all of these theoretical powers that the Royals have, which that Elizabeth, for example, 0.99

01:46:29.740 or George the six never use. So the, the, the tradition is you do this. So you do it. You don't

01:46:34.800 have to do it, but you just do. And he broke with those traditions. He didn't appoint the natural

01:46:39.640 successor as his private secretary. He appointed someone he wanted. He didn't appoint so that the

01:46:44.780 person that was expecting the job as so-and-so he appointed just someone he wanted. He did what he

01:46:48.780 wanted. So it's quite possible he would have interfered in politics. So again, I stress it would

01:46:53.080 have been pretty, these American divorcees, uh, have a lot to answer for it. It's a disturbing

01:47:00.560 trend. There's no, no question. Uh, gents, um, fantastic conversation. I'm not just saying

01:47:08.360 that this was, I think really enlightening and wide ranging. Um, so I'd love to do it again.

01:47:14.380 And, um, Devin, if you, if you want me to denounce you so that you could save face, I'm more than

01:47:20.160 happy. Richard, I wasn't here. I wasn't even here, but it's, it's very good to have these

01:47:27.480 conversations. I I'm, I'm glad that people can be brave enough to kind of push through

01:47:31.680 the taboo and, and have the conversations. Cause I think this is enlightening to me and

01:47:36.360 I know that it was enlightening to the audience as well. Uh, so thanks. Why don't you do some

01:47:41.220 plugs? Just tell everyone where they can find you. Yeah. Well, I was kicked off YouTube

01:47:45.380 because essentially George Floyd, I mean, I had been banned from YouTube twice before 0.97

01:47:50.400 and managed to get my channel back because it was all bullshit. But in fact, one of the 0.72

01:47:54.420 times I got banned was for showing the ass of Jesus Christ from a scene from the life 0.98

01:47:59.840 of Brian. I'm not, but, um, George Floyd was the final straw because, you know, everyone 0.96

01:48:06.280 had to go. And so, uh, yeah, in fact, I think, weren't you not banned recently?

01:48:10.840 Well, I think we were banned at the same time, weren't we? There was a big purge in

01:48:15.660 July or something like that. Yeah. My last video was like, what the hell? They've

01:48:18.860 banned all these other people. This is messed up. And then I was gone, but I'm

01:48:22.220 over at censored TV. Um, I, it's a platform. I post my stuff up. You can sign up

01:48:28.080 using AIU as a coupon code. I get a few shekels that way and I could say whatever

01:48:33.660 I want. I churn out content and I'm happy as a clam, happy to have a home on the

01:48:38.380 internet post YouTube. Very good. All right. Um, let us put a bookmark in

01:48:45.400 it. Great conversation. Thank you, Devin. Thank you, Ed, as always. And, uh, we'll

01:48:51.480 see you soon. Ciao. All right. Later.

RadixJournal - April 11, 2021

Is Atheism Even Possible？ [Live-stream]

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