Ron Unz has once again proved to be the straw that stirs the dissident drink. He s published an article on the failures of white nationalism, which has sparked reaction and outrage. By focusing on immigration, the alt-right has missed the boat, and now has nothing insightful to say about the most traumatic social change of our time. Does he have a point?
00:04:02.860And that's actually always been historically true.
00:04:05.140And there are some major problems with that.
00:04:08.260And including, most pressingly at the moment, the problem that you're kind of missing the most destructive social change that's occurring right now,
00:04:21.480which effectively has nothing to do with immigration or immigrants and is effectively white liberals and African-Americans.
00:04:31.860And as it was articulated by one of his interlocutors, that sadomasochistic relationship between white liberals and African-Americans,
00:05:21.700It basically said, if you're free and white, come on in.
00:05:25.740So it wasn't really an immigration restriction.
00:05:30.400And in the sense of it being kind of racialized, I guess that is interesting in the sense that America was more of a racialized country vis-a-vis other nations.
00:05:43.620But I don't think it's particularly surprising given the context.
00:05:49.600But, you know, it is certainly different.
00:05:53.280It was less of a sense of a people that was rooted.
00:05:57.100It was more of a sense of this frontier.
00:05:59.200You could say kind of like an open platform for whites to conquer.
00:06:04.620And so that was effectively the non-immigration immigration policy that the United States had for more than a century.
00:06:16.120There were moves to change these things.
00:06:20.200And obviously, the immigration started to have more of an effect as America urbanized and the frontier closed.
00:06:28.120And so there were this great wave in the middle and second quarter of the 19th century of Southern Europe.
00:06:39.520There's still a lot of Central Europeans coming in.
00:06:41.580But this was the age of the Italian immigrant, the Irish immigrant, and not Southern Europe in that case, the Irish immigrant, the Italian immigrant, the Jewish immigrant.
00:06:49.960And it was changing the quality of the country.
00:06:55.840It was changing the constitution of the nation.
00:06:58.580Madison Grant's major point in the conquest of the continent was that the American nation was not just white, but it was Nordic.
00:07:08.160And it was actually more Nordic than much of Europe.
00:07:56.120New Teddy Roosevelt, new other luminaries, incredible figure.
00:08:00.200And what he did in 1924 was also pretty remarkable.
00:08:06.580He gained credibility among mainstream commentators and even former presidents in basically saying, we don't want the United States to be a dumping ground.
00:08:19.700And they would even use words like this.
00:08:51.200I feel like I have to explain the 1924 Act to some of its so-called defenders who are civic nationalists who would say that, oh, no, it was a progressive act.
00:09:58.280And so this is what that act was about.
00:10:02.260Now, that act was kind of undermined throughout the Cold War period.
00:10:06.300The eugenicist movement, which Madison Grant was a part of, was also undermined during the 1930s because it had a bit of a whiff of social Darwinism about it.
00:10:19.220And it, although that was not Madison Grant's background or intention, but it had a kind of whiff of, you know, if you're not rich, you should die, you know, kind of brutal social Darwinism about it.
00:10:33.240Although Madison Grant, again, was not like that.
00:10:35.280And it started to be undermined throughout the 1930s and the Great Depression.
00:10:40.100Then subsequent or subsequently after the Second World War, it was really undermined when all forms of racialism, Nordicism, eugenics were connected to national socialist Germany and eventually the Holocaust a few decades later.
00:10:56.780But it had started to have a kind of bad vibe about it.
00:11:01.160And he was kind of intellectually or morally undermined.
00:11:05.440But the act was maintained until 1965.
00:11:10.780And at that point, they moved from a concept of national origins to a concept of family reunification.
00:11:20.260And also that act was also a kind of, you could say, anti-racialist act.
00:11:25.460It wasn't just, oh, we're going to have this immigration policy.
00:11:28.780It was an attempt to bring the 1964 Anti-Discrimination Civil Rights Act up to speed with immigration.
00:11:37.980That being said, one of the ironies, perhaps, of the 1965 Act was that due to the fact that its paradigm was family reunification,
00:11:49.740it was pro-white really up until this, you could say, the mid-70s or 80s in the sense that most of the people coming here were already white for economic reasons, for historical reasons, and then also due to the legacy of the 24 Act.
00:12:07.740So when they were reunifying their families, it's not like we had, you know, a million Chinese just come into the country in 1966 or something.
00:12:18.660It was generally a pro-European act up until, say, the kind of 80s or 90s when things started to change dramatically.
00:12:30.060So basically, what I'm saying is that the history of immigration in the United States is interesting, and it's always been racialist.
00:12:38.400So to kind of pretend that the 1924 Act was a progressive act or whatever, okay, there's more than a one kernel of truth in there, but it's missing the fundamental quality of those acts.
00:12:54.080And I would say, you know, to fast forward again to where we are today, Ronan's is correct in the sense that the immigration restrictionist movement, the patriotic immigration reform, is a proxy for white nationalism, you could say.
00:13:15.940Just kind of we're using broad terms here for racialism, as he estimates that 90% of the people who are hardcore immigration restrictionists are effectively white nationalists.
00:13:42.560But yeah, if we're talking about most of the people who are really interested in this issue, you scratch them just a little bit and you're going to find a white nationalist.
00:13:55.980And it's not even a problem because, again, American immigration has always been racialist, and you just can't get away from that fact.
00:14:08.420And if you start pretending that you're a civic nationalist, you're just not really being honest with your motivations.
00:14:16.140And maybe you think that's really smart and pragmatic, but I don't think it actually is.
00:14:21.300And so what he was saying, what Unz is saying, and where I think he's getting at something I don't quite agree, but it's that, you know, this has been the proxy for white nationalists for some time, has been the immigration issue.
00:14:36.880And that is a problem when you're not really addressing pressing concerns to people's lives.
00:14:43.440Well, I was just going to say that the point that I think that he makes quite well, and it is very, very important at the moment, is who is causing all of the damage to the culture of Western peoples,
00:14:59.500such that the culture of Western peoples wants to push them in a direction where people want to say that, you know, they should not have children for the sake of the planet,
00:15:08.780or that they should allow their sons and daughters to be mutilated at a very young age or want to put on puberty blockers.
00:15:16.640Who is pushing everything in this direction?
00:15:18.420It's not black people that's doing that.
00:15:28.280And it's a subgroup within white people, which is these, I mean, if you look at the very interesting paper that was recently published in Mankind Quarterly by Emil Kierkegaard,
00:15:38.960and he looks at all of the different data on, it's called Mental Illness and the Left,
00:15:44.440and he looks at all of the, on so many different data points, on so many measures of mental illness and of happiness.
00:15:51.380People who are on the far left are extremely mentally ill and likely to suffer from all kinds of mental problems,
00:15:59.000on so many measures of it, whether you identify them as self-identified liberals, self-identified extreme liberals,
00:16:04.460self-identified Democrats, self-identified fervent Democrats, whatever it is.
00:16:08.260Or simply, if you measure it the other way around, in terms of how happy people are,
00:16:12.620what you have is a situation where white people who formerly, who are mad, basically, who are mad,
00:16:19.420would have been, who formerly, who formerly, would have been, well, great wits next to madness, great wits next to madness.
00:16:28.260But, but, but, but who are, in a way, you know, perhaps you can talk about mad in a positive sense,
00:16:34.160people that are artistic or highly original or whatever are often mad.
00:16:36.860Ah, but we're talking about, we're talking about being deeply mentally unstable in a negative way,
00:16:44.080And there's more and more of these people, it seems.
00:16:46.620They're growing as a percentage of the population, because of genetic, for genetic reasons and whatever,
00:16:51.420with the lack of evolutionary pressures, which should be obvious to a lot of our viewers by now.
00:16:55.760But, but, but also they're able to club together and subvert the entire culture and use race as this means of taking the entire culture in a, in a, in a, in a, in a direction that is maladaptive,
00:17:10.860by appealing to people's sense of fairness and people's sense of equality and people's sense of love and people's sense of whatever.
00:17:15.340Yeah. And so, yes. And so, and so this is what we, this is what we get.
00:17:21.500So they are the enemy and that's what, that they are the enemy of, they are the thing that needs to be confronted before there can be immigration reform,
00:17:29.460before this can be rolled back, before Western countries can be more like Eastern Europe and, and sort out their own borders.
00:17:36.700Then those people need to be removed from positions of power and those people are not in positions of power in Eastern Europe.
00:17:42.720They're not there. And then there's not enough of them to reach a tipping point where they can take over and they can't,
00:17:48.660they're not able to subvert the culture. It was very interesting.
00:17:50.860There was an interview with Victor Orban, the Hungarian leader the other day,
00:17:55.300and he was asked about the idea of Hungary wanting to become more Western or something like that and more European.
00:18:00.660And he said, he laughed and said, well, until recently I might have wanted that because the West is richer than the East.
00:18:06.400But now, not now, no, there's an element of the West. It's just this madness, this multiculturalism and this madness.
00:18:11.760So no, I don't, I don't want Hungary to become more like that.
00:18:15.400And so we've had this flip where on a lot, in a lot of ways, okay, it's not, it's black.
00:18:19.820It's not a hundred percent true to say this, but in a lot of ways they are freer in Eastern Europe,
00:18:23.420in the ex-communist countries, in a lot of the ex-communist countries than we are in the West.
00:18:28.240And that is the fault of a subgroup among white people.
00:39:14.740The older is your father, the more likely you are to be an atheist.
00:39:19.300Now, what that is consistent with is that America was a religious society in the 60s,
00:39:25.660and you had to conform to it, and the pressure to conform through sort of effortful control to convince yourself of the reality of God was so strong
00:39:33.680that even these autistics or whatever that were growing in the population did so.
00:39:38.860More recently, as religion has fallen apart and is no longer controlling the American population,
00:39:44.220there is no social pressure to conform to this,
00:39:46.600and therefore the relationship between autism and paternal age, sorry, between atheism and paternal age, comes about.
00:39:54.160So it's as though these things were building up, but religiousness was still dominant
00:39:59.360because of the way it controlled the society, the environment,
00:40:03.260and it was holding back like a tsunami of, shall we say, spiteful mutants.
00:40:10.580And so it's an environment-religion interaction.
00:40:14.060So I don't want to overemphasize the genetic element.
00:40:18.420There is a genetic element of it, yes,
00:40:19.780but a big part of it is the environment and how the environment express is optimized to promote adaptive behavior.
00:40:30.220And once that's subverted, you get a sort of tipping point after which you will get the kind of subversion that we see now.
00:40:38.920Isn't this then kind of an argument for what Richard and I are saying,
00:40:42.980like you would want a platonic-style program of censorship?
00:40:47.160Because the alternative would be some massively, you know, maybe extinction-level event eugenics program
00:40:54.060where you are just kind of rolling back the biological clock to undo all of these spiteful mutations that have happened over time.
00:41:00.920So it seems to me choice A is something really, really kind of dastardly and will wipe out lots of people,
00:41:09.200whatever the case might be, or you have some very strongly enforced kind of code of conduct, ethics, enforcement.
00:41:18.420Effectively, we would want to be the cancellers.
00:41:21.660Well, yes, I can see your argument, but all I know about it is that the contrarian in me is what's attracted to the areas that I'm attracted to now.
00:41:35.740And I can't help but thinking that if you had right-wing tyranny, I just wouldn't be able to help myself.
00:41:57.600So, um, Ed's argument, and is that the, we are, Western civilization was, in a way, ruined by its own success.
00:42:09.000And what I mean by that is this, that, um, through the development of the Industrial Revolution and the exploitation of fossil fuels,
00:42:17.560I, I think that might've even been more important than the industrial, although it's dependent upon it.
00:42:22.240But, um, across the 19th century to the early 20th century, there was this environmental revolution in the sense,
00:42:31.840and that was based on the development of science since Bacon and Newton, et cetera.
00:42:37.520Um, and we began to be able to make products on a mass scale.
00:42:42.380We began to be exploiting the dinosaurs, uh, with, with fossil fuels, which led to the development of cars, plastics.
00:42:50.020I mean, stuff, house, your household is full of fossil fuels in a way.
00:42:56.420You're, you can't, you can't almost imagine life without this amazing, uh, uh, industrial revolution across a century and a half or so.
00:43:07.520Um, and that led to medical advances, uh, which led to the just dramatic collapse of childhood mortality.
00:43:17.200And so those people who would have been culled from the population are now surviving at a tremendous rate.
00:43:27.280And another aspect of this, um, was monogamy.
00:43:31.060And so I'm, I'm trying to get at this triumph leads to destruction ruined by your own success.
00:43:37.880So, uh, you know, monogamy is not necessarily natural, um, in most natural environments, the alphas will dominate and they will get most of the women.
00:43:52.680Uh, the, not, not so much the beta betas, but, or betas, betas is, uh, uh, Jordan, who's the guy, uh, our Bella, our black friend, Justin Peterson, beta, not, not necessarily the betas, but the kind of omegas and kind of, you know, the people on down will not reproduce.
00:44:12.360They will not get the girl, you know, all those bees that come together on a plane in Africa.
00:44:18.720There was recently in a David Attenborough video and we're battling each other for the, for the females.
00:44:23.820And they actually, all the males kill each other at the end of this mating ritual.
00:44:37.580Well, there's two things we have to take into account.
00:44:39.860So what, one, one is this, um, what the people that are low in monogamy are evolved towards is a highly, this K, this ecology where, where there's a lot of intergroup competition.
00:44:49.760Um, and that militates in favor of bonding and that militates in favor of reducing the amount of sex, reducing the amount of partners and elevating investment in a small number of partners, which we're ultimately down to monogamy.
00:45:00.400Um, so that's what that's a reflection of.
00:45:02.140And so, and that, that K, those K traits, they correlate with intelligence at the group level as well.
00:45:07.220So basically it's monogamy has, has co-evolved with intelligence.
00:45:14.940Um, and the second point is that we were under a very strong level of group selection, uh, we, we Europeans, which itself would have selected for the most intelligent group.
00:45:38.140And therefore you get a group that's higher in positive and ethnocentrism and cooperation and more able to battle the other group.
00:45:45.400I don't disagree at all, but I'll continue down my dark, uh, line of, of thinking that is going to shock people once I get to my, uh, once I open up the present and show you what's inside.
00:45:56.880Uh, so, um, yeah, I mean, Freud talked about this, uh, in the sense of the, uh, the, the, the killing of the father, uh, what was this, the kind of beta males aligning together against the alpha who was taking all the women.
00:46:12.980This is almost at the kind of basis of the edible complex.
00:46:16.100You can take that for, for what it's worth, whether you think Freud is insightful or a maniac.
00:46:21.140Um, but, um, so we, we have this and, and with those bees that on the plains of Africa that fight each other for the few females, I mean, what 2% of them reproduce.
00:46:32.960I mean, of the males population, 98% is cold.
00:46:36.860Um, but what I'm saying is, so we had industrialization, which was defined by, um, you know, or, or was sustained by say some, we could call bourgeois morality and scientific reasoning.
00:46:50.960Et cetera, exploitation of fossil fuels as well.
00:46:53.380And then we had monogamy, which is a kind of social contract.
00:46:57.840You could say, uh, uh, this idea that we're not going to fight anymore.
00:47:01.940Everyone gets their piece of the pie and that this leads to social stability, which it does.
00:47:08.700Um, but it also, these, the combination of these two things, social conservatism, intelligence, and the industrial revolution, um, and exploitation of fossil fuels led.
00:47:20.960It led to like more child mortality, uh, rates collapsing and it led to the development of the spiteful mutants.
00:47:30.420So what is feminism and the incel, you know, phenomenon that we see, particularly among millennials and Gen Z millennials are having tremendously less sex as a whole.
00:47:43.300Uh, we see that the kind of Tinder if vacation of sex where, you know, uh, there's, you know, 10 boys, 10 girls, um, eight of those girls are having sex with one male.
00:47:56.060Nine of the men are not having sex at all.
00:48:30.180And it's ultimately eugenic in the sense that it's an idea that I'm afraid you, someone else has already had.
00:48:37.260Um, um, and, uh, there's a, a colleague of mine and I'm doing a paper with him on the moment and we've written that really, we've written it.
00:48:46.760I'm sure you just stole another one of my ideas, Ed.
00:48:49.960I can prove that I've written it in detail first, but yeah.
00:48:53.560Um, but, but, but, but, but, uh, uh, yeah, this is basically it.
00:48:57.860So one of the things that I, we, I talked about in this particular paper was that, uh, the correlation between feminism and rape fantasies.
00:49:03.260So the, the, the more strongly we want to identify as a feminist, the more strongly she has rape fantasies, the more strongly we want to identify as a feminist, the more masculinized she is physically masculinized in terms of 2d, 4d ratio and other measures of masculinization.
00:49:17.520So what you're basically, as you say, what you're basically dealing with is a return to nature.
00:49:23.380That's what these, what you have under these prehistoric conditions were situations where you have a polygamy, of course, you have battles between groups.
00:49:33.520You have, you have, uh, uh, other group, other tribes that come in and just take the women and the dominant and rape them basically.
00:49:40.380And the, the, the dominant male, that's ultimately what you want.
00:49:44.980Ultimately the total, you know, there's a totals in a society of total instability, total instability, chaos, no bonding, no future, live fast, die young.
00:49:53.740Ultimately you want the strongest male.
00:50:12.920These women will literally fight, fight, fight, kill, because it's a, it's a, it's a test of whether the genetic quality of the male.
00:50:21.860And if he gets through that, if he gets through that fight to her, and ultimately she, she is forced to submit, then there's another fight, which is her immune system.
00:50:31.520So he then produces in exactly the same way, a billion spermatozoa, and the entire immune system is thrown to kill them, kill them, kill them, kill all of them.
00:50:40.780And only the best one finally gets through.
00:50:42.780It's not some romantic scene like you see in Look Who's Talking To in that movie.
00:50:49.980And so this would, this would be where I suggest where, why it is that around two thirds of females, according to a study I read, have rape fantasies.
00:50:58.880And the more socially dominant they are, so they gave them, yes, they gave them, they gave them tests of social, tests of social dominance.
00:51:08.120Uh, and the more socially dominant they are, i.e. the more masculine, whatever they are, the more likely they are to have these fantasies, because of course that's their world, our strategy, unstable world.
00:51:19.740Um, and, uh, and then there's different kinds of fantasies as well.
00:51:23.080There's different levels of the, of the fantasy.
00:51:24.600Well, let me, let me throw up a few things that will just, I mean, hopefully destroy everything the two of you are saying.
00:51:30.700Cause like, I'm kind of, I, I, I, I'm of two minds at this.
00:51:33.740For one thing, I'll try to be very concise.
00:51:36.040For one thing, I, I, I'm familiar with the, the rape fantasy feminist thing.
00:51:40.700I wonder to what extent that that's a repetition compulsion.
00:51:43.960Uh, you know, the original Freudian theory was that, uh, somatic hysterical conditions were the product of child molestation.
00:51:51.160This is something that laughed him out of the neural, several neurology conferences across Europe when he presented this finding.
00:51:59.100Um, and so then he came up with the idea of the pH fantasy.
00:52:01.900The child has this imagination of a sexual power fantasy, but putting that aside, I wonder if we assume that there's some kind of, not a massive sexual violence pandemic around the world, but even an, even a relatively minor one that seems it could account for that.
00:52:22.120We could not, what are we, are we attributing something to nature or reattributing something to human maliciousness?
00:52:30.140Point number two, like quite more of a question than an answer.
00:52:34.360Um, isn't it generally the lower classes that have abortions?
00:52:38.420Uh, so isn't that a countervailing force to this idea about, um, lowered child mortality and, and monogamy creating this dysgenic environment?
00:52:50.520I was under the impression, I would be curious to know if there's data about this, that generally speaking, it's lower class, middle working class peoples who have abortions.
00:52:59.240It's less the case that richer people, they have more children, they're less likely to go the abortion route.
00:53:07.440I, I, I don't think we're actually in a, I think the dysgenic environment was that combination of scientific reason, um, monogamy and industrialization.
00:53:20.940Um, and that was, we were ruined by our success in the sense that that ultimately became a dysgenic environment.
00:53:28.580What we're seeing now, all these things that conservatives lash out at, including myself, and, and I understand why they lash out at them, um, are this kind of ironic way that nature is reasserting herself.
00:53:40.840I mean, she works in mysterious ways, um, and she is going to promote eugenics through feminism, through the N cells dying off.
00:53:51.060Sorry guys, uh, through, uh, through basically all of these phenomena that we hate are a ways of reasserting the alpha.
00:54:00.100And I would even take this further because I, I think it's, you know, sometimes as Freud might say, I mean, your nightmare is your fantasy or your fantasy is your nightmare.
00:54:07.420Um, this, this, what image has kind of reasserted itself through the BLM protest, although as a negative one, yes, they, they put up George Floyd and holographic form, all these fireflies come together in the image of George Floyd.
00:54:22.980It's, it's rather horrifying, but what is the image?
00:54:25.440It's the fascist, the Nazi, the, the Confederate, it's the bad-ass and through, you sometimes can only achieve, you can only access to, to go into Kolokanian territory here.
00:54:37.420You can only access the real sometimes through mediation.
00:55:04.320They, even the, the, the people who are talking about social justice, they want a fascist to tell them right and wrong because that would give order to their lives because they could even, even if it's just a means of rebelling against something that the Nazi, the fascists exist as their ultimate fantasy.
00:55:20.820It is the social type that they want and which they might very well be breeding, uh, through feminism.
00:55:27.100So again, these are kind of dark thoughts, uh, pretty, uh, way out there.
00:55:32.100And, um, I, I, I'm kind of throwing them out there to get a response because I, I, I think it's good to get some feedback to get some challenges.
00:55:43.200I, I, I think that that is the direction of history and sometimes we need to kind of be open to the ironies that nature works in mysterious ways.
00:55:53.580I seem to recall that there was a particular subset of pornography.
00:55:59.600This was, I think, in the seventies, Jewish made about German SS soldiers, like taking, uh, Auschwitz, uh, concentration camp.