RadixJournal - Is Immigration Reform Pointless？

00:00:00.000 It's Sunday, August 2nd, 2020, and welcome back to The McSpencer Group, the internet's

00:00:07.680 nightmare podcast, which is actually its secret fantasy.

00:00:12.400 Joining me on the panel are Edward Dutton and Josh Neal.

00:00:16.340 Top issue, is immigration reform pointless?

00:00:21.100 Ron Unz has once again proved to be the straw that stirs the dissident drink.

00:00:25.860 He's published an article on the failures of white nationalism, which has sparked reaction

00:00:31.140 and outrage.

00:00:32.640 His counterintuitive thesis?

00:00:34.840 By focusing on immigration, the alt-right missed the boat, and now has nothing insightful to

00:00:40.020 say about the most traumatic social change of our time.

00:00:44.080 Does he have a point?

00:00:45.660 The panel says yes.

00:00:47.960 After swallowing that bitter medicine, we tread into even darker intellectual territory regarding

00:00:53.720 free speech, feminism as a return to nature, and how Western civilization was ruined by

00:00:59.700 its own success.

00:01:01.280 No sacred cow will be saved from the slaughter.

00:01:04.720 The latest article on the Unz Review titled, The Political Bankruptcy of American White Nationalism.

00:01:12.140 And if any of you are familiar with this article, have taken a look at the comments section.

00:01:16.360 And he's taken some heat for the comments made in this article.

00:01:22.720 And if you clicked on this video, hopefully to find the three of us beating up on poor little

00:01:29.320 Ron, I think you're going to be dismayed.

00:01:33.080 As there's some very useful insights in here.

00:01:35.700 And as Richard was saying before we started recording, you know, in his own way, Ron kind

00:01:40.840 of gropes at a very true sentiment.

00:01:44.600 So with that being said...

00:01:46.080 A lot of other things.

00:01:47.740 No, just kidding, Ron.

00:01:50.420 With that being said, I'll just turn it over to you, Richard.

00:01:54.120 Sure.

00:01:54.800 Yeah.

00:01:55.240 I think Ron Unz has often been the stir...

00:01:58.980 Excuse me, the straw that stirs the drink.

00:02:01.220 You know, if you want to make an interesting cocktail in the sense of a discussion online,

00:02:08.020 kind of an inside baseball discussion, one within the alt-right writ large.

00:02:12.100 But nevertheless, he's done that.

00:02:14.400 I've known about Ron for some time.

00:02:17.920 He actually wrote an article, I guess it's about 10 years ago now.

00:02:20.980 Feels like only yesterday, but called Hispanic.

00:02:24.380 And it was...

00:02:26.100 Many of the themes that are present in this latest piece are there too.

00:02:30.300 He was making...

00:02:33.020 I think making a decent point that he exaggerated into kind of a bad point, which was that Hispanics 1.00

00:02:39.760 actually lower crime when they immigrate into cities.

00:02:44.600 I think he could have made...

00:02:46.580 He could have made another point, which is that Hispanics are not African-Americans.

00:02:52.700 And so we need to kind of differentiate what we're talking about when we're talking about, say, urban problems or urban decay and so on.

00:03:03.020 And these kind of new types of cities in El Paso.

00:03:06.160 But that being said, my brain just operates differently than Ron's.

00:03:11.640 We have different thought patterns.

00:03:13.740 And so I sometimes will read him and be like, why are you articulating it this way?

00:03:22.060 Why are you coming at it from this perspective?

00:03:23.940 But at the end of the day, that's okay.

00:03:25.840 I actually think he's correct about quite a few things.

00:03:30.600 Let's start the discussion with a little bit of history, because that might be a good place to start.

00:03:41.740 And then we can start kind of coming up to the present day in terms of how we talk about this.

00:03:47.980 I mean, his fundamental argument is that immigration reform is a kind of proxy for racialism.

00:03:57.600 That's something that I've been saying for the last decade.

00:04:01.180 And I think that's clearly true.

00:04:02.860 And that's actually always been historically true.

00:04:05.140 And there are some major problems with that.

00:04:08.260 And including, most pressingly at the moment, the problem that you're kind of missing the most destructive social change that's occurring right now,

00:04:21.480 which effectively has nothing to do with immigration or immigrants and is effectively white liberals and African-Americans.

00:04:31.860 And as it was articulated by one of his interlocutors, that sadomasochistic relationship between white liberals and African-Americans, 0.69

00:04:42.120 let's play master and servant.

00:04:44.360 Yes, that is how I would define it.

00:04:48.340 It's really well done.

00:04:50.920 But let's let's focus on kind of like the history of immigration reform and racialism.

00:04:59.920 America never had an immigration policy until the 20th century.

00:05:05.220 And in fact, they only had it in the end of the first quarter of the 20th century.

00:05:10.220 So that's fairly remarkable in itself.

00:05:12.600 A lot of people talk about a 1790 naturalization act as if that were an immigration act, but it was not an immigration act.

00:05:19.900 It was a naturalization act.

00:05:21.700 It basically said, if you're free and white, come on in.

00:05:25.740 So it wasn't really an immigration restriction.

00:05:30.400 And in the sense of it being kind of racialized, I guess that is interesting in the sense that America was more of a racialized country vis-a-vis other nations.

00:05:43.620 But I don't think it's particularly surprising given the context.

00:05:49.600 But, you know, it is certainly different.

00:05:53.280 It was less of a sense of a people that was rooted.

00:05:57.100 It was more of a sense of this frontier.

00:05:59.200 You could say kind of like an open platform for whites to conquer. 0.98

00:06:04.620 And so that was effectively the non-immigration immigration policy that the United States had for more than a century.

00:06:16.120 There were moves to change these things.

00:06:20.200 And obviously, the immigration started to have more of an effect as America urbanized and the frontier closed.

00:06:28.120 And so there were this great wave in the middle and second quarter of the 19th century of Southern Europe.

00:06:39.520 There's still a lot of Central Europeans coming in.

00:06:41.580 But this was the age of the Italian immigrant, the Irish immigrant, and not Southern Europe in that case, the Irish immigrant, the Italian immigrant, the Jewish immigrant.

00:06:49.960 And it was changing the quality of the country.

00:06:55.840 It was changing the constitution of the nation.

00:06:58.580 Madison Grant's major point in the conquest of the continent was that the American nation was not just white, but it was Nordic.

00:07:08.160 And it was actually more Nordic than much of Europe.

00:07:13.500 And he wanted to maintain that.

00:07:16.200 And so if we fast forward to the 1924 act, Madison Grant acted as a kind of immanence grise in pushing this.

00:07:25.860 He was an amazing figure.

00:07:27.480 He was a lawyer by training, but never really practiced and was interested in conservation.

00:07:32.640 He was a kind of wasp brahmin from New York City. 1.00

00:07:36.820 He was part of the founding of the Bronx Zoo.

00:07:39.940 He was involved with Glacier National Park, which is just about an hour away from me.

00:07:44.620 He was involved with Save the Redwoods Foundation.

00:07:46.580 I mean, he did all sorts of things.

00:07:48.400 He could even take personal credit for saving multiple species.

00:07:54.060 I mean, he is an amazing man.

00:07:56.120 New Teddy Roosevelt, new other luminaries, incredible figure.

00:08:00.200 And what he did in 1924 was also pretty remarkable.

00:08:06.580 He gained credibility among mainstream commentators and even former presidents in basically saying, we don't want the United States to be a dumping ground.

00:08:19.700 And they would even use words like this.

00:08:21.940 We're a country here, guys.

00:08:24.200 The frontier is closed.

00:08:25.580 You can't just come here and take what you want.

00:08:28.700 You can't come here and bring social problems.

00:08:30.620 Pretty reasonable sentiments that you would find in almost any country on Earth, in fact.

00:08:37.480 But the 1924 Act should be defended or should be at least understood as an act of racialism and indeed an act of Nordicism.

00:08:49.180 And you sometimes have to defend.

00:08:51.200 I feel like I have to explain the 1924 Act to some of its so-called defenders who are civic nationalists who would say that, oh, no, it was a progressive act.

00:09:01.620 It wasn't about that.

00:09:02.780 Oh, really?

00:09:03.540 Was it actually?

00:09:04.600 In fact, the act was not conservative.

00:09:10.240 It was almost like a revisionist act.

00:09:13.120 So he made preferences in terms of national quotas that went before the great wave of immigration.

00:09:23.240 So he was attempting to restore the Nordic quality of America through the 1924 Act. 0.80

00:09:30.960 It was not maintaining things as they are.

00:09:33.240 It was actually reverting to pre-great wave immigration.

00:09:38.120 And this is a man who was the foremost scholar of Nordicism in the world at the time.

00:09:45.900 And actually, his book before the conquest of the continent was actually read in almost a textbook in some places.

00:09:53.480 It was wildly popular.

00:09:54.660 Conquest of the continent was less so.

00:09:55.880 Yes, exactly.

00:09:58.280 And so this is what that act was about.

00:10:02.260 Now, that act was kind of undermined throughout the Cold War period.

00:10:06.300 The eugenicist movement, which Madison Grant was a part of, was also undermined during the 1930s because it had a bit of a whiff of social Darwinism about it.

00:10:19.220 And it, although that was not Madison Grant's background or intention, but it had a kind of whiff of, you know, if you're not rich, you should die, you know, kind of brutal social Darwinism about it.

00:10:33.240 Although Madison Grant, again, was not like that.

00:10:35.280 And it started to be undermined throughout the 1930s and the Great Depression.

00:10:40.100 Then subsequent or subsequently after the Second World War, it was really undermined when all forms of racialism, Nordicism, eugenics were connected to national socialist Germany and eventually the Holocaust a few decades later.

00:10:56.780 But it had started to have a kind of bad vibe about it.

00:11:01.160 And he was kind of intellectually or morally undermined.

00:11:05.440 But the act was maintained until 1965.

00:11:10.780 And at that point, they moved from a concept of national origins to a concept of family reunification.

00:11:20.260 And also that act was also a kind of, you could say, anti-racialist act.

00:11:25.460 It wasn't just, oh, we're going to have this immigration policy.

00:11:28.780 It was an attempt to bring the 1964 Anti-Discrimination Civil Rights Act up to speed with immigration.

00:11:37.980 That being said, one of the ironies, perhaps, of the 1965 Act was that due to the fact that its paradigm was family reunification,

00:11:49.740 it was pro-white really up until this, you could say, the mid-70s or 80s in the sense that most of the people coming here were already white for economic reasons, for historical reasons, and then also due to the legacy of the 24 Act. 0.51

00:12:07.740 So when they were reunifying their families, it's not like we had, you know, a million Chinese just come into the country in 1966 or something.

00:12:18.660 It was generally a pro-European act up until, say, the kind of 80s or 90s when things started to change dramatically.

00:12:30.060 So basically, what I'm saying is that the history of immigration in the United States is interesting, and it's always been racialist.

00:12:38.400 So to kind of pretend that the 1924 Act was a progressive act or whatever, okay, there's more than a one kernel of truth in there, but it's missing the fundamental quality of those acts.

00:12:54.080 And I would say, you know, to fast forward again to where we are today, Ronan's is correct in the sense that the immigration restrictionist movement, the patriotic immigration reform, is a proxy for white nationalism, you could say. 0.81

00:13:15.940 Just kind of we're using broad terms here for racialism, as he estimates that 90% of the people who are hardcore immigration restrictionists are effectively white nationalists.

00:13:28.520 I don't think that's wrong.

00:13:29.940 Maybe it's wrong around the edges, but it's not fundamentally wrong.

00:13:33.320 There are people who are not like that.

00:13:35.800 You know, he mentions Roy Beck, who's obsessed with numbers and the working class and all that kind of stuff.

00:13:41.060 Fair enough.

00:13:42.560 But yeah, if we're talking about most of the people who are really interested in this issue, you scratch them just a little bit and you're going to find a white nationalist.

00:13:54.260 That's just an empirical fact.

00:13:55.980 And it's not even a problem because, again, American immigration has always been racialist, and you just can't get away from that fact.

00:14:08.420 And if you start pretending that you're a civic nationalist, you're just not really being honest with your motivations.

00:14:16.140 And maybe you think that's really smart and pragmatic, but I don't think it actually is.

00:14:21.300 And so what he was saying, what Unz is saying, and where I think he's getting at something I don't quite agree, but it's that, you know, this has been the proxy for white nationalists for some time, has been the immigration issue.

00:14:36.880 And that is a problem when you're not really addressing pressing concerns to people's lives.

00:14:43.440 Well, I was just going to say that the point that I think that he makes quite well, and it is very, very important at the moment, is who is causing all of the damage to the culture of Western peoples,

00:14:59.500 such that the culture of Western peoples wants to push them in a direction where people want to say that, you know, they should not have children for the sake of the planet,

00:15:08.780 or that they should allow their sons and daughters to be mutilated at a very young age or want to put on puberty blockers.

00:15:16.640 Who is pushing everything in this direction? 0.97

00:15:18.420 It's not black people that's doing that. 1.00

00:15:20.860 It's not Mexicans. 1.00

00:15:21.500 It's white people that's doing that. 0.97

00:15:22.980 It's not Mexicans that's doing that. 1.00

00:15:24.500 It's not even Jewish people that's doing that. 0.95

00:15:26.340 It's white people that's doing that. 0.85

00:15:28.280 And it's a subgroup within white people, which is these, I mean, if you look at the very interesting paper that was recently published in Mankind Quarterly by Emil Kierkegaard,

00:15:38.960 and he looks at all of the different data on, it's called Mental Illness and the Left,

00:15:44.440 and he looks at all of the, on so many different data points, on so many measures of mental illness and of happiness.

00:15:51.380 People who are on the far left are extremely mentally ill and likely to suffer from all kinds of mental problems,

00:15:59.000 on so many measures of it, whether you identify them as self-identified liberals, self-identified extreme liberals, 0.99

00:16:04.460 self-identified Democrats, self-identified fervent Democrats, whatever it is.

00:16:08.260 Or simply, if you measure it the other way around, in terms of how happy people are, 0.72

00:16:12.620 what you have is a situation where white people who formerly, who are mad, basically, who are mad, 0.84

00:16:19.420 would have been, who formerly, who formerly, would have been, well, great wits next to madness, great wits next to madness. 0.92

00:16:28.260 But, but, but, but who are, in a way, you know, perhaps you can talk about mad in a positive sense,

00:16:34.160 people that are artistic or highly original or whatever are often mad.

00:16:36.860 Ah, but we're talking about, we're talking about being deeply mentally unstable in a negative way,

00:16:41.760 which permeates the rest of society.

00:16:44.080 And there's more and more of these people, it seems.

00:16:46.620 They're growing as a percentage of the population, because of genetic, for genetic reasons and whatever,

00:16:51.420 with the lack of evolutionary pressures, which should be obvious to a lot of our viewers by now.

00:16:55.760 But, but, but also they're able to club together and subvert the entire culture and use race as this means of taking the entire culture in a, in a, in a, in a, in a direction that is maladaptive,

00:17:10.860 by appealing to people's sense of fairness and people's sense of equality and people's sense of love and people's sense of whatever.

00:17:15.340 Yeah. And so, yes. And so, and so this is what we, this is what we get.

00:17:21.500 So they are the enemy and that's what, that they are the enemy of, they are the thing that needs to be confronted before there can be immigration reform, 0.86

00:17:29.460 before this can be rolled back, before Western countries can be more like Eastern Europe and, and sort out their own borders.

00:17:36.700 Then those people need to be removed from positions of power and those people are not in positions of power in Eastern Europe.

00:17:42.720 They're not there. And then there's not enough of them to reach a tipping point where they can take over and they can't,

00:17:48.660 they're not able to subvert the culture. It was very interesting.

00:17:50.860 There was an interview with Victor Orban, the Hungarian leader the other day,

00:17:55.300 and he was asked about the idea of Hungary wanting to become more Western or something like that and more European.

00:18:00.660 And he said, he laughed and said, well, until recently I might have wanted that because the West is richer than the East.

00:18:06.400 But now, not now, no, there's an element of the West. It's just this madness, this multiculturalism and this madness. 0.92

00:18:11.760 So no, I don't, I don't want Hungary to become more like that. 0.97

00:18:15.400 And so we've had this flip where on a lot, in a lot of ways, okay, it's not, it's black. 0.79

00:18:19.820 It's not a hundred percent true to say this, but in a lot of ways they are freer in Eastern Europe,

00:18:23.420 in the ex-communist countries, in a lot of the ex-communist countries than we are in the West.

00:18:28.240 And that is the fault of a subgroup among white people. 0.87

00:18:32.400 That is not the fault of Muslims. 0.95

00:18:35.740 And that's what these, that's what these, a lot of these civic nationalists, 0.96

00:18:39.940 they concentrate on, you know, the bogeyman being immigrants. 0.99

00:18:43.240 The bogey, immigrants are a product of something deeper. 1.00

00:18:46.160 And that something deeper is a, is a, is a, is an interracial,

00:18:50.040 intra-ethnic competition that is occurring within European peoples for dominance,

00:18:55.540 for control of the culture,

00:18:56.800 between those that would want to maintain it in an adaptive traditional way that basically makes people happy,

00:19:02.380 that is, that is coherent with our, what we're evolved to be living in.

00:19:07.040 And those that are, want to take it away from that.

00:19:10.920 And so, yeah, I think he's right in that sense.

00:19:12.620 That's where, that's where the battleground should be drawn.

00:19:14.840 And that's what we're seeing, that it is, it is these, it is whites who are deeply disturbed, 0.90

00:19:21.580 who are, who are the problem. 0.51

00:19:23.380 And Richard's, you should have gone.

00:19:24.240 Yeah, let me, oh, I think I'm, I'm still here.

00:19:27.960 Yeah, let, let me mention this.

00:19:30.780 I mean, I, I gave a speech in 2013 at the American Renaissance Conference,

00:19:37.160 where I talked about the issue of immigration as a problematic issue to,

00:19:45.080 to basically put all of our eggs in this basket.

00:19:47.640 My point was that in 2011, the majority of births in the United States were to non-white mothers.

00:19:56.280 Now, some, some people have kind of criticized that around the edges,

00:19:59.760 but I think it is definitely true now.

00:20:02.420 So, basically, even if we won,

00:20:05.920 the demographic change of the United States is just simply baked into the cake.

00:20:12.220 Like, even if Donald Trump, I mean, let's, let's engage in retroactive fantasy here.

00:20:16.660 If Donald Trump just came in, he didn't do his bad healthcare policy,

00:20:20.880 he didn't appoint Jared to high office, and he didn't do criminal justice reform.

00:20:26.140 And instead, he was like, immigration moratorium now, boom.

00:20:30.680 That wouldn't fundamentally change our destiny.

00:20:34.460 It might put it off by, say, 20 years.

00:20:38.320 But again, if we're going to do this movement about that's, that's going to be attacked,

00:20:42.980 and it's going to be kind of viewed as marginal, viewed as evil, in some cases,

00:20:47.180 we need to, we're going to do it.

00:20:49.000 We don't want to just get like little minor meaningless victories.

00:20:53.080 We want to change the culture and change meta politics for the long term.

00:20:58.280 And so just saying, we won't, if your goal is, we're not,

00:21:01.720 we don't want to be a minority in our own land, which is a reasonable goal, 1.00

00:21:06.160 saying we don't want to be a minority in our own land for another 15 years 1.00

00:21:10.500 is not particularly inspiring or impressive.

00:21:13.980 So even if immigration were halted tomorrow morning, the demographic change would occur.

00:21:19.400 And I would say this even, you know, in the more pressing, you know, present.

00:21:24.640 If we, immigration is halted right now.

00:21:27.720 I actually got an email from VDare saying we won, apparently.

00:21:32.160 They've won. Amazing.

00:21:34.000 They're just spiking the football, you know, boom.

00:21:36.460 And because immigration is halted due to coronavirus.

00:21:39.340 Well, what have you achieved outside of locking yourself in a cage

00:21:43.920 with these spiteful mutants and their insane ideology?

00:21:48.120 What is, what is, did society change once that happened? 0.92

00:21:52.380 No, nothing changed.

00:21:53.920 Things are getting far more intense, far worse.

00:21:58.880 Yeah, change for the worse, if anything, in the sense that we're now, you know,

00:22:03.460 what was the line from Watchmen?

00:22:05.000 Like, I'm not locked in here with you.

00:22:06.720 You're locked in here with me.

00:22:07.900 Like, that's basically where we are with these people.

00:22:11.340 And if you, like, reduce the population by stopping immigration, 0.66

00:22:15.280 you're just, like, intensifying the poison.

00:22:17.840 To the point about the crypto nature of immigration restrictionists and their motivations,

00:22:28.420 you know, there's something to be said about you kind of acutely hinted

00:22:35.020 that maybe these people think it's strategic.

00:22:37.980 Fundamentally, it's dishonest.

00:22:39.240 And you have to wonder if part of the failure of that movement has been the inherent and

00:22:46.040 intentional dishonesty of the people who are advocating these issues and why they're

00:22:51.220 advocating them.

00:22:52.440 Because on one hand, obviously, the thinking might go something like this. 0.91

00:22:57.560 Well, they'll assume we're genocidal, maniacal Nazis.

00:23:02.880 So we'll cloak ourselves in this kind of veneer of civic nationalism, whatever the case is.

00:23:09.040 But from the other perspective, if, you know, somebody might be inclined to say,

00:23:14.720 well, if you're lying to me about this, you know, what else are you lying to me about?

00:23:19.180 You know, it's just this cascading effect where if you can't fully represent yourself,

00:23:24.200 your aims, your intentions, your motivations, who you are, what you want to accomplish,

00:23:28.600 then you're already making your job that much more difficult.

00:23:33.680 And it's already a difficult job.

00:23:37.620 Yes.

00:23:38.700 I can go off on this unless Ed wants to jump in.

00:23:41.480 Yeah, I mean, go ahead.

00:23:43.340 No, with regard to the fatalism about half of non-white births, and it doesn't matter what 0.96

00:23:50.040 happens, I'm not quite sure we can be that fatalistic because we have to take into account

00:23:53.940 who is breeding among white people. 0.61

00:23:57.560 So first of all, you're going to get, there's evidence that heritability, fertility, i.e.

00:24:01.860 the desire to have children, have lots of children, is itself heritable.

00:24:06.320 Right.

00:24:06.480 And so what's going to be happening is that over time, the people that have high heritable

00:24:10.500 fertility are going to be breeding out the people that don't have high heritable fertility. 1.00

00:24:15.360 Now, what are we going to expect our high heritable fertility to be correlated with? 1.00

00:24:19.780 Well, it's obvious what it's going to be correlated with.

00:24:21.380 It's going to be correlated with all other adaptive traits that would have been selected for

00:24:25.980 under conditions of purifying Darwinian selection.

00:24:29.420 And so it's going to be correlated, and it is correlated with religiousness.

00:24:33.020 And being religious is, in the traditional sense of the word, I mean, is correlated with

00:24:36.840 being right wing.

00:24:37.800 And the heritability of religiousness is 0.4, 0.5.

00:24:40.780 The heritability of political orientation is 0.4, 0.5.

00:24:43.540 And so therefore, what you would expect is that although there is this increasing, you know,

00:24:48.720 there is this decreasing white birth rate, to the extent that there is a white birth rate,

00:24:53.720 it's not a random white birth rate, it's not just like taking white people as they existed

00:24:57.200 in 1980, and they've just randomly had children.

00:24:59.700 It hasn't worked like that.

00:25:00.900 At the level of genetics, they're going to be becoming more fertile, more religious, 0.98

00:25:06.680 more right wing.

00:25:07.620 But this movement, this genetic component is being suppressed by the fact that you've got

00:25:13.400 all these other people that are born, that are, you know, have small families that are

00:25:17.580 not like that, that are the minor spiteful mutants, as it were, and who themselves have

00:25:23.040 relatively low fertility, but there's enough of them, and they push the society in this 1.00

00:25:28.220 particular direction, and they take advantage of those that are not, because a lot of these

00:25:33.180 people that are going to be religious or right wing or whatever are going to be kind of

00:25:36.160 immune, they're going to be highly genetically controlled, in a sense, and they're going

00:25:39.800 to be immune to an environment that's trying to tell them to do weird, unusual, maladaptive

00:25:44.160 things.

00:25:44.920 So, apart from those people, but those people are going to be growing as a proportion of

00:25:49.060 the population, and what you'd eventually expect would be some sort of tipping point would

00:25:52.980 be reached.

00:25:54.780 So, therefore, the nature of the people that would be left among whites would be quite different 0.81

00:26:00.160 from what there is now, even, or what it was 30 years ago.

00:26:03.840 Well, I'm not a fatalist, believe me.

00:26:06.600 You would get a movement the other way, so it's not necessarily endgame.

00:26:13.100 I'm not a fatalist.

00:26:14.440 What I am not is a Democrat, and I mean that with a small d. Demography is not destiny.

00:26:21.400 This is something I hear from these people over and over again.

00:26:24.900 On the one hand, they claim that the elite, or maybe more succinctly, Jews, are controlling

00:26:33.060 the United States, and so on.

00:26:35.660 And isn't it amazing that this minority population has so much influence on culture, media, politics,

00:26:45.420 et cetera?

00:26:45.720 And I don't fundamentally disagree with that view, although I come at it from a different

00:26:51.280 perspective.

00:26:51.960 I think Jews obviously have tremendous influence on politics, culture, media, foreign policy,

00:26:57.300 et cetera.

00:26:58.540 But their response to that is, we need to maintain our majority.

00:27:05.140 Actually, throughout world history, majorities do not determine anything.

00:27:09.940 They don't determine culture, they don't determine politics, obviously, and they don't determine

00:27:15.900 foreign policy even more, obviously.

00:27:18.440 A majority, you know, there's cattle and they're cowboys.

00:27:22.180 It's good to be a cowboy and not the cattle.

00:27:24.520 And these people want to breed more cows.

00:27:27.060 We need more cows. 1.00

00:27:28.300 We need to have white cows as the majority of the cows. 1.00

00:27:31.460 Well, no, we need the cowboys who channel the cows. 1.00

00:27:35.020 I am not a fatalist in the slightest bit.

00:27:37.520 What I am not is a Democrat or someone who believes in egalitarianism.

00:27:43.580 Demography is not destiny, period.

00:27:46.800 It has never been destiny.

00:27:48.600 In fact, the history of the world is about elites controlling inferiors. 0.95

00:27:54.440 And that is the history of nature. 0.96

00:27:57.260 So to focus on this egalitarian bullshit about voting, oh, we need 51% in the United States. 0.98

00:28:06.560 These people need to just shut up and just get, like, understand the way history operates. 0.99

00:28:15.360 Sorry, rant. 0.62

00:28:16.620 I'll calm down.

00:28:17.660 Yes, it's a pressing time.

00:28:21.960 We need to live off ranting occasionally.

00:28:24.740 I saw a rant at the cat earlier today.

00:28:28.600 It's a good spirit of rant.

00:28:30.040 It's a good spirit of rant, but she had used the spare bedroom as a loo again.

00:28:35.400 But her behavior aside, yeah, it's quite right.

00:28:39.820 And the question is, is when the elite become demoralized, when the elite that is the adaptive elite, as it were,

00:28:46.160 that is the elite that is pushing the society in a direction of towards a sense of the transcendent,

00:28:52.780 towards eternity, towards something greater, when that elite is demoralized.

00:28:57.000 And that's part of what happened in, I mean, I give a comparison to England or where I'm from there,

00:29:00.820 but it kind of happened in America around the same time.

00:29:02.940 In the early 60s, that's when it starts.

00:29:07.140 And the rot sets in and the old ways fall apart.

00:29:11.420 As the poet Philip Larkin said, something in gestures pushed to one side like an outdated combine harvester.

00:29:19.260 And this is kind of what goes on.

00:29:23.720 And then a new elite, you have inter-elite competition, which Peter Turkin's looked into so well,

00:29:31.020 and a new elite is able to topple them and take power.

00:29:34.840 And certainly once their ideas reach a tipping point of about 25% of the population accepting them,

00:29:39.920 then they really can take power because they look like the new young bucks.

00:29:43.340 And that's what was kind of happening in the 80s and 90s.

00:29:47.620 And it's born fruit today such that you just have this cult, this religious cult in power,

00:29:53.580 and we are much less free than we were 30 or 40 years ago.

00:29:58.560 But they're not there forever.

00:30:01.000 And one of the things that I wonder about with regard to their actions,

00:30:04.520 their council culture, all the desperation.

00:30:06.640 We had another academic council in Britain only a couple of days ago, an English lecturer.

00:30:12.420 It doesn't come from a position of perceived future strength.

00:30:15.640 It's like a rearguard action.

00:30:18.680 It's almost like McCarthyism.

00:30:20.560 I think McCarthyism came from a position of knowing that it's falling apart.

00:30:24.580 Yes.

00:30:25.100 These guys are taking over, and this is my last-ditch attempt.

00:30:30.340 I don't know if it's true.

00:30:31.540 I don't know if it's true that I saw some posters that are probably made up

00:30:34.420 that said that artists walk among you, artists are dangerous.

00:30:38.000 I don't know if that's true or if that's an exaggeration, like a satire of McCarthyism.

00:30:44.240 But artists are in all classes, and they walk among us, and be careful of artists.

00:30:49.020 But I think that's kind of perhaps where we, based on what I know of the breeding patterns

00:30:53.680 and whatever, that's where we would be.

00:30:55.020 I think that there's so many people now that are just sort of mocking this,

00:31:00.360 sort of seeing it as the lunacy, the total lunacy that it is.

00:31:05.340 It's moving out into public discourse.

00:31:07.520 It's moving out into—it's not just people discussing it now in the comfort of their own home

00:31:11.140 or even at work.

00:31:12.560 It's moving out into—

00:31:13.920 Yeah, but unless we can cancel people—

00:31:16.560 I know this is going to be like a parody of Richard Spencerism,

00:31:23.480 but it's like I agree with you that McCarthyism was a rearguard action,

00:31:28.040 and it was almost like a dying lashing out,

00:31:31.340 because the State Department was controlled by these eastern seaboard liberals,

00:31:36.500 some of whom had certain sympathies to communism and so on in the army and et cetera.

00:31:40.740 But, I mean, it's still—they are still the dominant force,

00:31:46.900 and conservatives can whine about this stuff, 0.95

00:31:49.620 but they can't really confront it or certainly counteract it.

00:31:55.180 And the other aspect about conservatives is they kind of fundamentally agree with it at some level.

00:32:01.660 Every time they couch an argument of,

00:32:04.440 well, we want to get rid of the real racist, we all agree with that,

00:32:08.080 but, you know, why are you going after Breitbart or whatever?

00:32:11.520 They're going after Breitbart because Breitbart was a—

00:32:15.900 like, it was the platform for the alt-right, in the words of Steve Bannon.

00:32:19.820 And, like, that was a direct quote from Steve Bannon to Sarah Posner that was accurate.

00:32:26.240 He wanted to get in touch with that spirit that the alt-right represented in 2016,

00:32:32.520 and in 2017 it started to move away.

00:32:35.160 Breitbart started to move away from it.

00:32:36.500 They wanted to get in touch with that.

00:32:37.880 They wanted to be the proxy battle for racialist energies.

00:32:42.160 But until you're able to take the mask off and say,

00:32:48.220 this is who I am, this is actually what I fundamentally believe,

00:32:52.740 then we're going to be losing to cancelers again and again.

00:32:57.460 And I get it that people—it's gotten so insane that even, like, you know,

00:33:01.900 average conservatives or normies don't like cancel culture.

00:33:04.740 But until you are the ones doing the canceling, you're just whining about it.

00:33:09.800 And, you know, you don't get that far just whining about stuff.

00:33:16.320 I'm very sure that as this moves due to, well, demographics, but that time will come.

00:33:26.540 I mean, at the moment in Poland, at the moment, it's unfortunate, though, in a way,

00:33:32.140 because whether you're canceling people that are on the right or canceling people that are on the left,

00:33:37.720 you're still restricting freedom and restricting creativity and putting up taboos

00:33:42.900 and saying there's certain things that can't be said.

00:33:45.400 It's just different things.

00:33:48.040 Well, we should do that.

00:33:50.360 Shouldn't some things not be said?

00:33:53.440 Yeah, we want proper parameters.

00:33:55.480 Yeah.

00:33:56.880 Well, perhaps, but I think it's a sort of slippery—

00:34:00.260 If there's a good book, then there's a bad book, you know?

00:34:03.780 That's their argument, you know, that's their argument, that something shouldn't be said.

00:34:07.680 And they're right.

00:34:08.160 Well, no, what they say shouldn't be said is things that are the truth.

00:34:11.340 I get it that they're aiming at the wrong target, but, like, I don't know.

00:34:16.980 Do you actually believe in, like, just pure freedom?

00:34:20.800 Like, we should just publish an article on why child porn is healthy 0.81

00:34:26.460 and how gay marriage is the only true form of marriage.

00:34:31.560 Like, do you really want that kind of stuff published?

00:34:34.720 Or 10 reasons why you shouldn't have children, or even something more benign. 0.99

00:34:38.240 Right, like, cut your balls off to achieve personal satisfaction. 0.99

00:34:43.400 I mean, no. 0.99

00:34:45.240 And, like, culture does affect you.

00:34:48.680 I mean, like, you know, you're born brewing in something and marinating in it,

00:34:54.180 and it does affect your life.

00:34:56.660 Well, this goes to something I wanted to ask you, Ed, before,

00:35:00.020 because I've heard you say this a few times,

00:35:02.100 and while I'm inclined to agree with you,

00:35:03.960 I also come from kind of an evolutionary psychology background,

00:35:07.660 but I really do wonder if we're overstating the kind of genetic aspect of this,

00:35:14.120 because exactly what Richard and I are talking about is the memetic influence,

00:35:17.680 the way that you can create people,

00:35:20.100 you can mold people into who you want them to be.

00:35:22.820 So I wonder how much is, maybe you're overstating certain heritable factors versus,

00:35:30.800 I mean, it's not, you could you tell me,

00:35:32.960 was there a massive surplus of spiteful mutants, say, 1960s roundabout,

00:35:39.740 or were all of the influential institutions able to spread these ideas

00:35:44.820 and convince people effectively to be full-on spiteful mutants

00:35:50.200 and kind of evoking a genotype or just muting natural characteristics?

00:35:56.800 But I'll go ahead.

00:35:57.740 What the spiteful mutant is, yeah, the, we're talking about,

00:36:02.820 it's not like a person is liberal and thus they're a spiteful mutant.

00:36:08.080 A spiteful mutant is, there are people who are more or less,

00:36:11.640 for partly genetic reasons and partly environmental reasons,

00:36:14.520 susceptible to, should we say, individualizing values rather than binding values,

00:36:25.060 and who are susceptible to things which would push them in a sort of maladaptive direction,

00:36:30.980 open to these things, whereas other people simply wouldn't be.

00:36:34.340 And the spiteful mutants would be people in positions of authority and power and whatever 0.99

00:36:39.100 that would push, that would help to push society in this negative, in this maladaptive direction.

00:36:48.360 What you say about the 60s is actually very interesting.

00:36:52.200 No, I don't think there was a spike in them at that time.

00:36:56.380 I think this is a gradual process that has been going on for genetic

00:37:01.140 and then more recently, of course, for environmental reasons,

00:37:03.640 as we are in an environment which is increasingly at odds with.

00:37:08.560 It's an increasingly evolutionary mismatch.

00:37:11.180 And this is going to make people behave in unusual and often maladaptive ways.

00:37:16.640 But I think you would have had an increase in the percentage of the population

00:37:20.220 that would have these pathologies since 1800, basically,

00:37:26.180 since the child mortality rate started to go down from 50%.

00:37:30.340 And this would increase and increase and increase until the sort of tipping point was reached

00:37:35.540 where there was a lot of them.

00:37:38.540 And then it really would start, then they really would start to be able to subvert the culture and whatever.

00:37:43.880 But 60s is interesting because there's actually interesting data on that.

00:37:46.980 So one of the markers, one of the things that could be seen as something that's a mental problem of the mind,

00:37:55.720 which is increasing, secular increase across time, is autism.

00:38:00.680 So we're not adapted to be autistic.

00:38:03.420 We may be adapted to have a very small proportion of the population that is autistic, 0.54

00:38:07.420 such that they're geniuses or whatever.

00:38:09.360 But as a rule, we are a highly social, we use social species.

00:38:13.320 And so obviously it's not good to be autistic. 0.98

00:38:15.120 So therefore you would expect that to be associated with other maladaptive things,

00:38:19.240 such as a poor immune system or whatever,

00:38:21.420 and you would expect people with that to be wiped out due to childhood diseases.

00:38:25.480 And that seemingly was what happened.

00:38:27.240 Now, as a consequence of these various breakthroughs, this hasn't been happening,

00:38:30.440 and there's been a secular increase in autism across time.

00:38:34.240 One of the markers of autism is parental age, paternal age.

00:38:39.040 The older a father is, the more likely a father is, the more likely he is to have to know their mutations.

00:38:45.240 And one of those to know their mutations is autism.

00:38:48.140 And there was a very interesting study which found that up until the 60s, there was no association.

00:38:54.820 Autists, I should say, tend to be atheists. 0.96

00:38:57.220 They tend not to believe in God.

00:38:59.480 There are various reasons for this.

00:39:00.720 We can go into it if you want, but they tend not to believe in God.

00:39:02.260 Now, up until the 1960s, based on American data, there was no correlation between paternal age and religiosity.

00:39:10.960 There was no effect.

00:39:13.020 Now there is.

00:39:14.740 The older is your father, the more likely you are to be an atheist.

00:39:19.300 Now, what that is consistent with is that America was a religious society in the 60s,

00:39:25.660 and you had to conform to it, and the pressure to conform through sort of effortful control to convince yourself of the reality of God was so strong

00:39:33.680 that even these autistics or whatever that were growing in the population did so. 0.96

00:39:38.860 More recently, as religion has fallen apart and is no longer controlling the American population,

00:39:44.220 there is no social pressure to conform to this,

00:39:46.600 and therefore the relationship between autism and paternal age, sorry, between atheism and paternal age, comes about.

00:39:54.160 So it's as though these things were building up, but religiousness was still dominant

00:39:59.360 because of the way it controlled the society, the environment,

00:40:03.260 and it was holding back like a tsunami of, shall we say, spiteful mutants.

00:40:10.580 And so it's an environment-religion interaction.

00:40:14.060 So I don't want to overemphasize the genetic element.

00:40:18.420 There is a genetic element of it, yes,

00:40:19.780 but a big part of it is the environment and how the environment express is optimized to promote adaptive behavior.

00:40:30.220 And once that's subverted, you get a sort of tipping point after which you will get the kind of subversion that we see now.

00:40:38.920 Isn't this then kind of an argument for what Richard and I are saying,

00:40:42.980 like you would want a platonic-style program of censorship?

00:40:47.160 Because the alternative would be some massively, you know, maybe extinction-level event eugenics program 0.97

00:40:54.060 where you are just kind of rolling back the biological clock to undo all of these spiteful mutations that have happened over time.

00:41:00.920 So it seems to me choice A is something really, really kind of dastardly and will wipe out lots of people,

00:41:09.200 whatever the case might be, or you have some very strongly enforced kind of code of conduct, ethics, enforcement.

00:41:18.420 Effectively, we would want to be the cancellers.

00:41:21.440 Yes.

00:41:21.660 Well, yes, I can see your argument, but all I know about it is that the contrarian in me is what's attracted to the areas that I'm attracted to now.

00:41:35.740 And I can't help but thinking that if you had right-wing tyranny, I just wouldn't be able to help myself. 0.99

00:41:42.240 You left a fucking Marxist. 0.99

00:41:44.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:45.420 All right, let me take this discussion to an even darker realm.

00:41:49.240 Um, so, okay, we've kind of gone, we're a little bit far away from the uns thing, but that's fine.

00:41:56.620 I think this is interesting.

00:41:57.600 So, um, Ed's argument, and is that the, we are, Western civilization was, in a way, ruined by its own success.

00:42:09.000 And what I mean by that is this, that, um, through the development of the Industrial Revolution and the exploitation of fossil fuels,

00:42:17.560 I, I think that might've even been more important than the industrial, although it's dependent upon it.

00:42:22.240 But, um, across the 19th century to the early 20th century, there was this environmental revolution in the sense,

00:42:31.840 and that was based on the development of science since Bacon and Newton, et cetera.

00:42:37.520 Um, and we began to be able to make products on a mass scale.

00:42:42.380 We began to be exploiting the dinosaurs, uh, with, with fossil fuels, which led to the development of cars, plastics.

00:42:50.020 I mean, stuff, house, your household is full of fossil fuels in a way.

00:42:56.420 You're, you can't, you can't almost imagine life without this amazing, uh, uh, industrial revolution across a century and a half or so.

00:43:07.520 Um, and that led to medical advances, uh, which led to the just dramatic collapse of childhood mortality.

00:43:17.200 And so those people who would have been culled from the population are now surviving at a tremendous rate.

00:43:27.280 And another aspect of this, um, was monogamy.

00:43:31.060 And so I'm, I'm trying to get at this triumph leads to destruction ruined by your own success.

00:43:37.880 So, uh, you know, monogamy is not necessarily natural, um, in most natural environments, the alphas will dominate and they will get most of the women.

00:43:52.680 Uh, the, not, not so much the beta betas, but, or betas, betas is, uh, uh, Jordan, who's the guy, uh, our Bella, our black friend, Justin Peterson, beta, not, not necessarily the betas, but the kind of omegas and kind of, you know, the people on down will not reproduce.

00:44:12.360 They will not get the girl, you know, all those bees that come together on a plane in Africa.

00:44:18.720 There was recently in a David Attenborough video and we're battling each other for the, for the females.

00:44:23.820 And they actually, all the males kill each other at the end of this mating ritual. 0.67

00:44:28.620 The badasses get the girls. 1.00

00:44:33.800 Monogamy, not so much.

00:44:35.960 Go ahead, Ed.

00:44:36.720 That's true.

00:44:37.580 Well, there's two things we have to take into account.

00:44:39.860 So what, one, one is this, um, what the people that are low in monogamy are evolved towards is a highly, this K, this ecology where, where there's a lot of intergroup competition.

00:44:49.760 Um, and that militates in favor of bonding and that militates in favor of reducing the amount of sex, reducing the amount of partners and elevating investment in a small number of partners, which we're ultimately down to monogamy. 0.95

00:45:00.400 Um, so that's what that's a reflection of.

00:45:02.140 And so, and that, that K, those K traits, they correlate with intelligence at the group level as well.

00:45:07.220 So basically it's monogamy has, has co-evolved with intelligence.

00:45:12.200 So that's the, the, uh, first point.

00:45:14.940 Um, and the second point is that we were under a very strong level of group selection, uh, we, we Europeans, which itself would have selected for the most intelligent group.

00:45:24.400 Right.

00:45:24.500 And so what monogamy did, if you've got monogamy, then you don't have inter-male conflict.

00:45:29.100 And so therefore you don't have like, it's 40% only of Bushmen that breed, 60% of Bushmen don't breed. 0.57

00:45:35.400 You get huge amounts of fighting.

00:45:37.360 That's because of that.

00:45:38.140 And therefore you get a group that's higher in positive and ethnocentrism and cooperation and more able to battle the other group.

00:45:45.400 I don't disagree at all, but I'll continue down my dark, uh, line of, of thinking that is going to shock people once I get to my, uh, once I open up the present and show you what's inside.

00:45:56.880 Uh, so, um, yeah, I mean, Freud talked about this, uh, in the sense of the, uh, the, the, the killing of the father, uh, what was this, the kind of beta males aligning together against the alpha who was taking all the women.

00:46:12.980 This is almost at the kind of basis of the edible complex.

00:46:16.100 You can take that for, for what it's worth, whether you think Freud is insightful or a maniac.

00:46:21.140 Um, but, um, so we, we have this and, and with those bees that on the plains of Africa that fight each other for the few females, I mean, what 2% of them reproduce.

00:46:32.960 I mean, of the males population, 98% is cold.

00:46:35.720 I don't think that's wrong.

00:46:36.860 Um, but what I'm saying is, so we had industrialization, which was defined by, um, you know, or, or was sustained by say some, we could call bourgeois morality and scientific reasoning.

00:46:50.960 Et cetera, exploitation of fossil fuels as well.

00:46:53.380 And then we had monogamy, which is a kind of social contract.

00:46:57.840 You could say, uh, uh, this idea that we're not going to fight anymore.

00:47:01.940 Everyone gets their piece of the pie and that this leads to social stability, which it does.

00:47:08.700 Um, but it also, these, the combination of these two things, social conservatism, intelligence, and the industrial revolution, um, and exploitation of fossil fuels led.

00:47:20.960 It led to like more child mortality, uh, rates collapsing and it led to the development of the spiteful mutants.

00:47:30.420 So what is feminism and the incel, you know, phenomenon that we see, particularly among millennials and Gen Z millennials are having tremendously less sex as a whole. 0.97

00:47:43.300 Uh, we see that the kind of Tinder if vacation of sex where, you know, uh, there's, you know, 10 boys, 10 girls, um, eight of those girls are having sex with one male.

00:47:56.060 Nine of the men are not having sex at all.

00:47:58.640 Maybe getting those final two women. 1.00

00:48:00.560 Um, what is this, but a kind of reassertion of nature in the sense that feminism is the ultimate shit test. 1.00

00:48:11.260 You have to pass it. 0.99

00:48:13.260 You have to say no to it.

00:48:15.780 You have to force yourself.

00:48:19.220 You have to be domineering and win out over these feminists in order to breathe. 1.00

00:48:25.460 So is not nature.

00:48:27.120 I mean, this is a dark thought.

00:48:28.260 It's not nature reasserting itself.

00:48:30.180 And it's ultimately eugenic in the sense that it's an idea that I'm afraid you, someone else has already had.

00:48:37.260 Um, um, and, uh, there's a, a colleague of mine and I'm doing a paper with him on the moment and we've written that really, we've written it.

00:48:45.000 It's basically the same idea.

00:48:46.380 So great.

00:48:46.760 I'm sure you just stole another one of my ideas, Ed.

00:48:49.960 I can prove that I've written it in detail first, but yeah.

00:48:53.560 Um, but, but, but, but, but, uh, uh, yeah, this is basically it.

00:48:57.860 So one of the things that I, we, I talked about in this particular paper was that, uh, the correlation between feminism and rape fantasies.

00:49:03.260 So the, the, the more strongly we want to identify as a feminist, the more strongly she has rape fantasies, the more strongly we want to identify as a feminist, the more masculinized she is physically masculinized in terms of 2d, 4d ratio and other measures of masculinization. 1.00

00:49:17.520 So what you're basically, as you say, what you're basically dealing with is a return to nature.

00:49:21.800 You're dealing with an R strategy.

00:49:23.380 That's what these, what you have under these prehistoric conditions were situations where you have a polygamy, of course, you have battles between groups. 0.65

00:49:33.520 You have, you have, uh, uh, other group, other tribes that come in and just take the women and the dominant and rape them basically. 0.98

00:49:40.380 And the, the, the dominant male, that's ultimately what you want.

00:49:44.980 Ultimately the total, you know, there's a totals in a society of total instability, total instability, chaos, no bonding, no future, live fast, die young.

00:49:53.740 Ultimately you want the strongest male.

00:49:56.060 That's what you want.

00:49:57.040 How does he show, how does he show he is the strongest male?

00:50:00.320 He is physically, physically highly able.

00:50:03.620 He basically forces his way through the other men to you.

00:50:07.860 And you, and you literally fight him off.

00:50:11.540 That's what you see in nature.

00:50:12.920 These women will literally fight, fight, fight, kill, because it's a, it's a, it's a test of whether the genetic quality of the male. 1.00

00:50:21.860 And if he gets through that, if he gets through that fight to her, and ultimately she, she is forced to submit, then there's another fight, which is her immune system. 1.00

00:50:31.520 So he then produces in exactly the same way, a billion spermatozoa, and the entire immune system is thrown to kill them, kill them, kill them, kill all of them. 0.99

00:50:40.780 And only the best one finally gets through. 0.99

00:50:42.780 It's not some romantic scene like you see in Look Who's Talking To in that movie.

00:50:47.700 Right?

00:50:48.420 It's, it's, it's force. 0.95

00:50:49.460 It's rape. 1.00

00:50:49.980 And so this would, this would be where I suggest where, why it is that around two thirds of females, according to a study I read, have rape fantasies. 0.98

00:50:58.460 Yeah.

00:50:58.880 And the more socially dominant they are, so they gave them, yes, they gave them, they gave them tests of social, tests of social dominance.

00:51:07.860 Yeah.

00:51:08.120 Uh, and the more socially dominant they are, i.e. the more masculine, whatever they are, the more likely they are to have these fantasies, because of course that's their world, our strategy, unstable world.

00:51:19.740 Um, and, uh, and then there's different kinds of fantasies as well.

00:51:23.080 There's different levels of the, of the fantasy.

00:51:24.600 Well, let me, let me throw up a few things that will just, I mean, hopefully destroy everything the two of you are saying.

00:51:30.700 Cause like, I'm kind of, I, I, I, I'm of two minds at this.

00:51:33.740 For one thing, I'll try to be very concise.

00:51:36.040 For one thing, I, I, I'm familiar with the, the rape fantasy feminist thing. 1.00

00:51:40.700 I wonder to what extent that that's a repetition compulsion.

00:51:43.960 Uh, you know, the original Freudian theory was that, uh, somatic hysterical conditions were the product of child molestation.

00:51:51.160 This is something that laughed him out of the neural, several neurology conferences across Europe when he presented this finding.

00:51:59.100 Um, and so then he came up with the idea of the pH fantasy.

00:52:01.900 The child has this imagination of a sexual power fantasy, but putting that aside, I wonder if we assume that there's some kind of, not a massive sexual violence pandemic around the world, but even an, even a relatively minor one that seems it could account for that.

00:52:22.120 We could not, what are we, are we attributing something to nature or reattributing something to human maliciousness?

00:52:27.980 That would be point number one.

00:52:30.140 Point number two, like quite more of a question than an answer.

00:52:34.360 Um, isn't it generally the lower classes that have abortions? 1.00

00:52:38.420 Uh, so isn't that a countervailing force to this idea about, um, lowered child mortality and, and monogamy creating this dysgenic environment?

00:52:50.520 I was under the impression, I would be curious to know if there's data about this, that generally speaking, it's lower class, middle working class peoples who have abortions.

00:52:59.240 It's less the case that richer people, they have more children, they're less likely to go the abortion route. 0.96

00:53:05.220 Um, this goes along with my argument.

00:53:07.440 I, I, I don't think we're actually in a, I think the dysgenic environment was that combination of scientific reason, um, monogamy and industrialization.

00:53:20.940 Um, and that was, we were ruined by our success in the sense that that ultimately became a dysgenic environment. 0.94

00:53:28.580 What we're seeing now, all these things that conservatives lash out at, including myself, and, and I understand why they lash out at them, um, are this kind of ironic way that nature is reasserting herself.

00:53:40.840 I mean, she works in mysterious ways, um, and she is going to promote eugenics through feminism, through the N cells dying off. 1.00

00:53:51.060 Sorry guys, uh, through, uh, through basically all of these phenomena that we hate are a ways of reasserting the alpha.

00:54:00.100 And I would even take this further because I, I think it's, you know, sometimes as Freud might say, I mean, your nightmare is your fantasy or your fantasy is your nightmare.

00:54:07.420 Um, this, this, what image has kind of reasserted itself through the BLM protest, although as a negative one, yes, they, they put up George Floyd and holographic form, all these fireflies come together in the image of George Floyd.

00:54:22.980 It's, it's rather horrifying, but what is the image?

00:54:25.440 It's the fascist, the Nazi, the, the Confederate, it's the bad-ass and through, you sometimes can only achieve, you can only access to, to go into Kolokanian territory here. 0.71

00:54:37.420 You can only access the real sometimes through mediation.

00:54:41.740 You can never see it right on.

00:54:43.560 You have to look at it askance.

00:54:45.540 And what, how, what are they always talking about?

00:54:48.800 They're always getting at Nazis, Confederates, fascists.

00:54:52.720 This is the type that they want.

00:54:55.720 They secretly desire it.

00:54:57.940 They want to be taken by a Nazi. 0.70

00:55:03.100 That is what they want.

00:55:04.320 They, even the, the, the people who are talking about social justice, they want a fascist to tell them right and wrong because that would give order to their lives because they could even, even if it's just a means of rebelling against something that the Nazi, the fascists exist as their ultimate fantasy.

00:55:20.820 It is the social type that they want and which they might very well be breeding, uh, through feminism. 1.00

00:55:27.100 So again, these are kind of dark thoughts, uh, pretty, uh, way out there.

00:55:32.100 And, um, I, I, I'm kind of throwing them out there to get a response because I, I, I think it's good to get some feedback to get some challenges.

00:55:40.160 But, um, I, I, I don't know.

00:55:43.200 I, I, I think that that is the direction of history and sometimes we need to kind of be open to the ironies that nature works in mysterious ways.

00:55:53.580 I seem to recall that there was a particular subset of pornography.

00:55:59.600 This was, I think, in the seventies, Jewish made about German SS soldiers, like taking, uh, Auschwitz, uh, concentration camp.

00:56:09.540 Yeah, I've heard that as well.

00:56:10.640 I almost said attendees.

00:56:12.200 They're, they're, they're prisoners of war.

00:56:14.140 Um, yeah, I, I agree.

00:56:15.900 It's, it's kind of a challenging fourth or like a bringing forth.

00:56:18.820 It's, it's, it's, uh, a totally unconscious drive.

00:56:21.640 We have to think like Freud to kind of get at it.

00:56:24.880 And, and I think, again, the right will always resist that.

00:56:29.160 I don't, I've got to what Josh said about, uh, Freud.

00:56:32.500 Um, I, I don't think this is some recent phenomena, um, phenomenon of these rape fantasies or whatever.

00:56:37.440 And if you look back at, um, even in the 16th century and 17th century, you had the concept of the incubus.

00:56:42.860 And you had witches that would, that would talk about this stuff.

00:56:46.940 Um, and witches were often sort of socially dominant, sort of, sort of aggressive sort of women. 0.98

00:56:51.260 So I don't think that's necessarily a, that's just a historical point, but I don't think that's necessarily a coincidence.

00:56:56.260 And as for the abortion issue, there is data on this.

00:56:59.640 Um, and there is no correlation between intelligence and abortion. 0.97

00:57:03.360 And the, the reason for that is that you get young, silly girls with low IQ that have abortion, 1.00

00:57:09.060 but you also get educated, middle, middle-aged women that have abortion. 1.00

00:57:13.460 Um, and so it balances it out and there is no correlation.

00:57:16.580 There is a correlation between personality and abortion.

00:57:18.960 That's there.

00:57:20.020 Hmm.

00:57:20.440 With, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with abortion. 0.58

00:57:23.340 Uh, I don't know that, but low agreeableness, just not being a very nice person.

00:57:27.920 Uh, high, high, high, more, uh, more likely to have an abortion at any age. 0.96

00:57:31.840 But, uh, no, there wasn't one on the internet.

00:57:33.260 And we, we know, we, we have some genetic data.

00:57:35.840 we know um the alleles that are associated with high IQ are decreasing across generations in

00:57:41.900 for example basically more masculine women are more likely to have abortions 1.00

00:57:45.860 i'm sorry basically more masculine women if you think of agreeable right see we're breeding 1.00

00:57:52.860 we're breeding feminine women i mean nature is doing nature is reasserting herself and she she 1.00

00:57:59.340 wants a certain type they are these maladaptive mentally ill people they don't want children 0.99

00:58:05.100 and they're screaming please stop us from having children give us abortion i often wonder 0.99

00:58:10.500 i often wonder if the reason why the republic of ireland has gone so mad recently is because it

00:58:18.080 didn't have abortion exactly so britain had legal abortion um and tacitly accepted abortion before

00:58:24.940 that for a very long time and therefore all these unpleasant women were not having children 1.00

00:58:28.660 but uh they were in on okay let let me change the subject a little bit because we got off

00:58:35.960 due to my own you know predilections we got off onto this dark path but let me let me return a little

00:58:43.800 bit to the uns article just as a as a summation um i i i agree that the the the proxy of immigration

00:58:54.600 restriction restriction is is very flawed for white nationalists i agree that they're not getting at

00:59:01.360 the real issue that directly affects people's lives and that is part of this dramatic social change in

00:59:09.540 our concepts of morality and right right and wrong and up and down um i i agree with that i i think it is

00:59:16.080 a flawed thing and i don't think we should pursue it um but i would say that going forward in terms of

00:59:23.860 some of the things that i've talked about before that those are kind of dark thoughts and an analysis

00:59:28.820 of what's happening all that things that i was talking about are kind of bigger than than than

00:59:33.720 any program or agenda but i think going forward um you know if you want to call it white nationalism

00:59:40.700 or the alt-right or the dissident right whatever term you want to use um i actually think that we should

00:59:46.060 be kind of touchy-feely and i i know that that kind of sounds maybe weird but we should do things that

00:59:54.480 that really do affect our lives um and affect the future and i think we should present ourselves as

01:00:00.160 people who have a vision of a beautiful future um i think environmentalism is something that is very

01:00:07.060 real uh with people in the sense that we want to we want to have a lived reality a neighborhood with

01:00:13.660 parks cities that are livable um uh we want wilderness spaces as well uh i think that's

01:00:21.280 something that we should focus on in terms of an agenda i think an agenda in terms of just are you

01:00:28.060 able to live through this trauma uh with things like um uh ubi uh and so on but i think even bigger

01:00:38.420 than that i think we should be talking about continental wide autarky uh in terms of production

01:00:44.240 now we'll never have full autarky there's always going to be trade and whatever but in the sense of

01:00:51.120 a long term this would i would say 25 years is the low end of the estimate of what it would take to do

01:00:57.300 this a long-term project uh towards uh autarky i think we should promote um absolute elitism in

01:01:06.260 higher education i think we should start telling people that you should not go to school and as a

01:01:11.680 kind of shit test in the sense that if you actually are pursuing higher education you want to do it

01:01:18.320 you're not pursuing it because like my middle class you know stable employment you are actually going 0.96

01:01:24.140 there to study the ancients and you study eternity and study truth um i i think we should start we

01:01:33.160 developing a kind of culling of higher education in the sense that um this should be for one to five

01:01:41.300 maybe five at the high end of graduating seniors from high school um i i think we should start

01:01:47.640 getting at these these kind of touchy-feely issues that directly affect them um i i am an immigration

01:01:56.360 restrictionist i don't want the north american continent to be overwhelmed with people um but i

01:02:02.940 i i i don't necessarily do that for the reasons that other immigration restrictionists talk about

01:02:08.640 i think we should be promoting in the immigration front and i know this is i guess i like to shock 0.97

01:02:13.820 people or be the contrarian i think we should be promoting uh unskilled dumb immigrants who do not 0.97

01:02:21.340 speak english and what i mean by that is that um there are places for immigrants i grew up in dallas 0.97

01:02:29.300 texas i was surrounded by hispanics they don't bother me um there is probably a place for them 1.00

01:02:36.380 in terms of construction being a bus boy serving food etc but what we do not want to focus on 0.98

01:02:46.800 is what everyone in that movement focuses on which is they're criminals they're rapists etc

01:02:53.760 in trump's words yeah a lot of them are most of them are not and when you start going down that

01:03:01.440 line of thinking of we don't want these gang bangers in our country you go down the line of thinking of

01:03:07.880 we want high iq high skilled english language immigrants i will remind all of these people in

01:03:14.320 the immigration patriotic immigration sphere that there there's a billion people in china there's

01:03:20.700 more than a billion in china there's a billion people in the indian subcontinent there will be

01:03:24.580 a billion people in africa and even in africa there are going to be a lot of those people who 1.00

01:03:29.240 have 120 plus iqs and who come from elite backgrounds they will become doctors they will become lawyers they

01:03:38.160 will become coders in software they will become professionals they will become bureaucrats

01:03:42.820 and what we don't want to do is having this immigration as a kind of iq test i think we 0.80

01:03:49.640 should basically be doing the opposite of what the immigration reform movement is doing and saying that

01:03:54.780 there there is a place for kind of migrant labor this is historically based um and uh but actually what

01:04:02.100 we want to the people we want to keep out are the smart ones

01:04:04.980 to a degree that's more or less what ron said in the article that there's the canard of the violent

01:04:11.760 hispanic has been you know that's why that's why he titles the article that the uh uh you know why

01:04:17.820 why white nationalism doesn't work blood yeah uh people he uses the example of palo alto and how it

01:04:23.980 became increasingly hispanic over time and the crime rate dropped and there's there's lots of data on 0.95

01:04:29.160 uh hispanic influx into you know what were predominantly black communities before crime 1.00

01:04:35.100 rate declines um yeah so i mean this partly as a joke but uh i'll say it anyway are you uh are you

01:04:42.460 trying to revitalize compassionate conservatism richard yes are you are you proving we can call

01:04:46.760 it that reaganites i'm a compassionate conservative i want to help the dumb and the poor and um i i want

01:04:55.140 i'm into touchy feely stuff like um environmentalism uh coupled with nuclear power i think that's actually

01:05:02.600 important um and i want our lives to be livable and um i i recognize the threat to the middle and

01:05:11.700 upper middle class of immigration that's the real threat right now um again all these paleos they 1.00

01:05:17.520 always want we need a tucker carlson we need to protect the workers or or whatever you know like

01:05:24.200 i i i agree like i you know to to a certain extent but like you're going to be the ones who are going

01:05:31.500 to be replaced by these people it's not much more than the workers uh they are the coders the doctors 1.00

01:05:39.220 the lawyers are going to be the ones who are getting replaced and again if we want to it's it's almost this

01:05:44.820 like social signal or like humble brag about how we want to protect the working class which is almost

01:05:51.040 always said by people who are middle class and uh but it's it's actually the the professional class

01:05:58.620 that is most it is going to be most successful susceptible in the next 50 years again i i think

01:06:05.360 another problem with the patriotic immigration reform is the kind of age of the people they're they 0.93

01:06:11.340 were their their minds got kind of ossified in the 80s and 90s and they're not really we're now in

01:06:19.360 the 2020s and we need to think we need to think in terms of the 2050s and and so on and i don't

01:06:25.560 think they're able to do this well let's give ed the final thought on this uh we've been about this

01:06:31.280 for a little while uh great conversation yeah this is fantastic with you yes but uh ed final thoughts

01:06:37.240 on really the article anything my final thought is that uh national iq is associated with all measures

01:06:44.640 of civilization and i'm not sure it's a good idea to act to reduce national iq will our nation will

01:06:51.660 still be here we'll just final thought final thought okay oh sorry it's the final one all right

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RadixJournal - August 02, 2020

Is Immigration Reform Pointless？

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