RadixJournal - Israel's Legitimacy Crisis

00:00:00.000 Oh, Adam Green is here.

00:00:01.980 I'm here. What's up? Can you hear me?

00:00:04.340 We can hear you. How are you doing?

00:00:07.480 I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. A lot to talk about.

00:00:11.380 Oh, really? What's going on?

00:00:14.100 Oh, I don't know. The Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, the Elon Musk. You're being sarcastic. I got you.

00:00:19.760 Yeah, not much.

00:00:24.480 Let me just say this. 0.89

00:00:28.140 I think there's a lot of times when people get overly excited about something, you know, and like Elon Musk will tweet out something or I can remember this in the Trump years where Trump will be like, you know, Baltimore, Maryland, this shithole, it's filled with rats and whatever. 0.93

00:00:48.840 And everyone's like, oh, let's go. You know, everyone's getting red pilled by this. You know, we're going to have national socialism tomorrow afternoon. 0.93

00:00:56.700 We're so back.

00:00:58.860 Yeah, we're so back. Yeah.

00:01:00.840 They have about three phrases. Let's go. We're so back. It's over.

00:01:06.200 That's their mood chart, you know.

00:01:08.500 But anyway, I obviously I think it's worthwhile, you know, being critical and poo-pooing these things.

00:01:17.620 But I say this and I'm not even saying this in the sense that I necessarily endorse it all or think that I'm going to or we're going to benefit from it or whatever.

00:01:31.140 I'm just saying it purely objectively. We are witnessing an explosion online and around the world of, I don't even want to say red pill, of anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic feelings.

00:01:51.260 Yes. And it is across the board, the left, the right, mainstream right, normies who have suddenly, if TikTok stats can be believed, have a sudden appreciation for Osama bin Laden.

00:02:09.560 I mean, I don't I don't I look at this. I'm trying to stay critical and I'm not even necessarily, you know, saying like, oh, we've won now or, you know, next step, Apollonian Empire.

00:02:21.140 I'm not I'm not silly person, but we are undoubtedly seeing just an explosion of awareness.

00:02:28.220 And it wasn't actually about red pilling people, although maybe that had a kind of primer like effect.

00:02:36.980 It's coming from the fact that people really felt sympathy for Israel on October 9th or what was that?

00:02:46.960 Yeah, October 7th for good reason.

00:02:49.480 And now you are watching for all the eyes of the world to see a mass ethnic cleansing and the United States is apparently paralyzed to stop it and can kind of vaguely suggest not even a ceasefire. 0.51

00:03:11.780 That's too far. But a humanitarian pause or we're going to send in the UN troops afterward.

00:03:18.240 I mean, there is just this moral but also physical paralysis in the face of this.

00:03:24.880 And they're seeing many Jewish representatives saying things that they just can't believe, talking about canceling people, ruining them. 0.99

00:03:37.400 You know, we're making a list and checking it twice, as Rappaport said recently, this sports idiot who's Jewish and has all sorts of problems. 0.99

00:03:50.140 But, you know, what else is this outside of a 21st century anti-Semitic frenzy? 0.99

00:04:00.080 I mean, I don't I don't think I'm exaggerating here, but let's just talk a little bit about the kind of the big picture of it all.

00:04:09.120 It's amazing that Rappaport could so brazenly say, oh, we're putting all you anti-Semites on lists when they're the ones that are always crying about Schindler's list and being put on lists.

00:04:20.100 There's no self-awareness at all.

00:04:23.580 And the one thing I can't get out of the back of my mind with all of this, you know, supposed rising anti-Semitism is that this is actually what the rabbis and their prophecies believe is going to happen.

00:04:36.540 At the in the end times that there's going to be all of the world rising anti-Semitism and turning against them and these big wars.

00:04:45.120 So they see a lot of rabbis say that the Hamas attack was the beginning of their redemption and that this is they're optimistic because they see how the war of Gag and Magog with Russia and Iran versus Edom in America is all aligned and about to unfold. 0.63

00:05:04.340 Did you see the new economist thing today?

00:05:06.500 Donnie Darkin shared it.

00:05:07.700 Economist magazine has Trump on the cover with his face over half the world saying Trump 2024.

00:05:12.620 I did see that, actually.

00:05:16.700 The Economist is just about six weeks behind Richard Spencer, as usual.

00:05:22.140 Hey, man, you're one of the first.

00:05:23.360 Well, I'm the first to get Donnie Darkin Don.

00:05:25.980 And I was talking about that stuff even before.

00:05:27.640 That's true.

00:05:28.560 That is true.

00:05:29.340 I totally stole that.

00:05:31.700 That is absolutely true.

00:05:33.160 But what I mean now is he put out a prediction video that he thinks Trump's going to be back in and play the savior role.

00:05:39.080 And then, quote, Edom, excuse me, Edom is going to be destroyed.

00:05:43.880 I don't doubt any of this.

00:05:45.500 What I was actually saying is that I got these feelings post Hamas attack.

00:05:53.860 And I think I had this kind of feeling in my gut with all of the prosecutions and civil trials of Trump that the deep state doesn't know how to respond to him.

00:06:10.280 The deep state's unable or unwilling, and in this case unable, to just defeat him outright politically.

00:06:17.640 And so they're using a legal mechanism in order to oppress him.

00:06:22.900 And that's not to say that a lot of these cases have, like, a great deal of truth to them.

00:06:28.640 I mean, just take the document. 0.98

00:06:29.760 I mean, I don't give a shit about the Stormy Daniels payoff money or whatever. 0.76

00:06:34.500 But, you know, just take the documents case as an example. 0.98

00:06:37.500 I think there's a lot of reality to it.

00:06:39.780 But legality is like a tactic.

00:06:42.600 It's a neutral mechanism.

00:06:44.200 And we all know that there's prosecutorial discretion and that most people kind of get away with it.

00:06:51.700 So you're choosing to use this mechanism against this person in order to counteract him.

00:06:58.940 And whether it's legitimate or not, it just doesn't matter because he is a political force.

00:07:05.780 And he is an almost religious force as well.

00:07:08.620 He represents something much bigger than himself.

00:07:11.000 And so you really are taking a knife to a gunfight or taking a knife to a nuclear war, in a way.

00:07:19.180 And it's going to fail.

00:07:20.960 And the more you press in these ways, when you create this existential quality to the 2024 election, where it's like, either he wins or he dies in jail.

00:07:32.920 Well, that's that's where it is, win or die.

00:07:36.680 And that is going to moralize his support like nothing else.

00:07:43.380 And then you add on top of this, look, presidents who are suffering from a protest backlash do poorly.

00:07:53.340 It doesn't even matter what it's about, maybe the Vietnam War with LBJ, who, you know, won a huge landslide election against Goldwater and then pulls out during the Democratic primary.

00:08:07.800 BLM, you know, it kind of got a lot of right wingers excited.

00:08:12.800 That's true.

00:08:13.600 It might have helped Trump to some degree.

00:08:14.900 But it's just a kind of demoralizing thing to walk outside of the White House and there are a bunch of people with signs yelling at you.

00:08:24.320 And Biden is going to face that demoralization and by his own voters, or at least people who would vote left or who the left likes, you know, anti-war activists, left wing academic types.

00:08:42.520 He's facing this demoralization.

00:08:45.700 And that just does not bode well at all.

00:08:49.120 And so I, yeah, I mean, I think Trump is going to win.

00:08:55.840 And it's crazy.

00:08:57.280 And I'm kind of going out on a limb.

00:08:59.200 But that is just simply how I view it.

00:09:02.480 And as you know, I, you know, I got off the Trump train early.

00:09:07.940 And I think a lot of that MAGA stuff is just basically useless.

00:09:13.040 But it doesn't matter because it's a, it's a religious, don't examine it, like, in terms of technicalities or legalities.

00:09:20.800 It's a fundamentally religious movement.

00:09:24.560 And they have the power of faith behind them.

00:09:28.520 Biden has the power of avuncular chicken soup behind him of like, oh, let's all just be normal.

00:09:34.400 It's going to be okay.

00:09:35.740 I'll be friendly to you guys.

00:09:37.140 And he has, he's facing a wave of hatred for him.

00:09:43.320 Hatred. 0.95

00:09:44.220 You're going to kill another 10,000 babies and just oversee it and claim that a ceasefire is impossible. 0.95

00:09:51.440 And, you know, I'm going to go visit Israel and pow around with Netanyahu. 1.00

00:09:56.400 Yeah, fuck you, from my opinion. 1.00

00:09:58.640 But, but also my, my emotional FU is what is felt by millions of his own voters. 1.00

00:10:09.020 And so like, yeah, we're going to see it. 0.56

00:10:12.320 We are going to see Trump, this narcissistic game show host, bring about something.

00:10:21.320 I don't even know what it is.

00:10:22.400 I think the economists, they want to kind of get out ahead of it and they want to, they want to warn people of it.

00:10:28.880 They want to prepare for it.

00:10:30.520 They also don't want to be caught with their pants down and, you know, predicting a easy victory for Biden and return to normalcy.

00:10:38.400 They kind of want to be like, whoa, we're warning about this thing. 0.99

00:10:41.560 This guy is coming and you can fucking convict him. 0.98

00:10:47.200 And it's not going to matter because he's the anti-priced bros. 0.99

00:10:51.900 This is what we're dealing with here.

00:10:53.800 Anyway, so I'll, I'll let you jump in on any thread you want to pull on that one, Adam.

00:10:59.240 The archetypal role of a messiah that's actually going to be the destruction of EDOM.

00:11:07.760 Hey, were you just curious, were you on the space earlier, the Keith Wood space?

00:11:11.980 Yes, I was listening in while I was doing some stuff and very interesting.

00:11:17.960 I mean, I have to say, I, I think Nick's and Keith's analysis was pretty spot on, like politically speaking.

00:11:27.300 And if you want to talk a little bit about what they said, I would be happy to do that.

00:11:33.580 I didn't catch all of it.

00:11:34.380 I was doing stuff and couldn't hear it.

00:11:37.520 But as far as the political analysis, agreeing, I agree with those guys on, on most things.

00:11:44.740 It's only the, the religious angle when they want to turn it into all about Jesus and fighting over who the messiah is.

00:11:54.600 That's, that's where I feel the trap that they fall in, where we're never going to beat them at the, the game.

00:12:01.120 If we're playing their game, which is fighting over who the messiah is.

00:12:05.120 I totally agree.

00:12:07.780 Well, their, their political analysis, I think was actually spot on.

00:12:12.280 And to, to bring up some of Mark's ideas.

00:12:15.680 I mean, I, I think we're seeing a sort of collapse of the caduceus or the caducean nature of Jewish intellectual power. 0.98

00:12:28.280 And they didn't use those words I did, but, but it's what they were describing.

00:12:33.240 So the, the caduceus is like left and right Coke and Pepsi, Democrats, Republicans, uh, Hulk Hogan, Andre the giant.

00:12:42.740 It's, it's a kind of fake struggle that people get excited about and does matter on some level.

00:12:51.600 Yeah.

00:12:52.100 God, God and Satan, Jesus and the antichrist, Jacob and Esau.

00:12:57.860 And it's all part of the Judeo paradigm though.

00:13:01.160 Right.

00:13:01.700 Yeah.

00:13:02.120 Because I mean, real, to put it real bluntly, I mean, what we've, and this is what's breaking down.

00:13:07.740 So what we've seen over my lifetime has been, you know, tax cuts, freedom, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:15.580 And then, you know, socialism, feminism, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:19.020 But they all assume Zionism. 0.83

00:13:21.660 So there's no, like the staff, the Zionism, if we want to extend this metaphor and the two, the two snakes that are fighting are like, you know, freedom versus democracy or whatever.

00:13:32.040 But, and those are real issues, you know, to be fair, but it's, you're, you're assuming something much bigger than that.

00:13:40.980 I think that, uh, Adam was about to allude to this or, or mentioned it at least, uh, but the book of Job, um, sort of describes it perfectly.

00:13:51.220 Right.

00:13:52.020 Because there you literally see Satan and Yahweh in a conspiracy, um, to ruin the life of Job, who is a prophet to the Gentiles. 0.97

00:14:03.140 He represents a Gentile figure, um, and they're conspiring to do it essentially. 1.00

00:14:08.600 And so, so that becomes a kind of perfect illustration of, uh, the Caducean, uh, or that parable, I think is, um, uh, describes it perfectly.

00:14:19.100 But it also exists, of course, in the Garden of Eden, because these are the same characters in the Garden of Eden.

00:14:24.280 The serpent is, um, Satan and so forth.

00:14:28.960 Um, but yeah, I mean, I think it's, um, things are unraveling.

00:14:33.640 I mean, I think that we, I, you know, we may have to add the idea or the clause that, uh, toward the end of the Caducean, it turns into the, uh, uh, the, you, the, you or Boris, this serpent that like eats its own tail.

00:14:46.840 Right. Um, yeah, but, um, yeah, I think things are sort of rapidly deteriorating and, um, it's interesting to watch because it does seem like they're in a full panic mode.

00:14:58.740 Uh, Elon Musk is absolutely central to this process.

00:15:02.300 I mean, I don't think anyone has been more critical, you know, whatever criticisms we have of the guy, I think that Richard, you would have to agree that he is the one who's affected the climate the most.

00:15:12.660 Right. Yeah. And this is why Jews are panicking essentially. Um, but he, um, just goes to show that might is right. 1.00

00:15:20.560 I mean, the guy is, you know, for like, uh, a billionaire, uh, who's, uh, you know, who owns like an important, uh, you know, media outlet or channel, uh, to, uh, turn on them is, you know, it's, that's basically a game changer.

00:15:36.580 But yeah, it shows that might is right. So as much as, um, this is the other thing about, you know, um, the Christians in this sphere is that nothing shows might is right more than Elon Musk just kind of waking up one day and saying, yeah, that's right. 0.90

00:15:54.500 Actually, the Jews are anti-white what's with all this anti-white media. I mean, that, that's suddenly there, suddenly there it's red alert. I mean, let's also, let's talk about what actually happened. So we're, you know, we're on the same page. 0.78

00:16:09.180 So we, we, we can also listen to some clips if you'd like. There's a lot of interesting media out there. That'd be fun to listen.

00:16:16.300 Yeah. I, well, I, before we do the clips, I want to let Adam talk a little bit, but let me just kind of represent what happened. So, um, someone posted a video of something that I've seen a number of times and it's this public service announcement.

00:16:35.180 It's a kind of soft focus camera. And there's this white dad, boomer dad who takes his son and he's in the car and he was like, oh, you want to say Hitler was right or whatever. And it was like, go tell it to them. And then they show a Jewish temple or a school or, uh, Shula, I guess in this case. Um, and you know, it's, it's a kind of like, it's recognizing the fact that a lot of teenagers and in people in their twenties are, you know,

00:17:05.300 watching Nick Fuentes live stream or, or into some extreme thing. And they're tweeting it out there. And it's a kind of like, why don't you do it with, you know, show your face and do it. Oh no, it looks like you're afraid. Aren't you? And it is funny because the guy, there was some guy who is really unknown who chimed in and he was like, well, actually I will say it under my own name and my own face.

00:17:32.100 And he said, you know, you, you are promoting anti-white hatred and you're promoting mass immigration. And that's why you're receiving this backlash. And then Elon in his kind of typical way, he didn't just post an emoji or a exclamation mark.

00:17:50.100 He actually said like, this is, this is absolutely correct. And so he endorsed this guy who I think at the time had like 2000 followers or something. He was just some dude, you know, and the guy himself has been like, Oh, you know,

00:18:03.340 I'm not an anti-Semite. I'm just reacting to behavior. But like it, the bell has been rung and it doesn't matter. Like, like I think a lot of conservatives will do this kind of stuff where they're like, well, I'm not Hitler, but I'm just going to say this, you know?

00:18:22.080 And it's like, it doesn't matter. It's almost worse or something from their eyes. And it, but anyway, Elon has not backed down from that. And that is remarkable.

00:18:36.660 I've been so amazed by it too. He just, he, even after his, his sit down with Ben Shapiro and the panel of rabbis and the president of Israel, where even there, his autistic self, they said, come and visit the Holocaust museum. He said, Oh, that's okay. I've, I've seen, I know the history. I've seen the pictures of the shoes. He literally said that. And then later, 10, 10 minutes later, he was like, Oh, actually maybe I, I do have a gigabyte factory in Germany. I could go visit it and come by.

00:19:07.120 But now, and did you guys see the news that IBM just pulled their ads? We're going to see a cascade of big companies making a big public display and the, the boycott, the ADL boycott of Elon Musk and X is going to be back in the news again.

00:19:22.740 Well, surely. I mean, yeah, there's no doubt because it, I mean, it's just, it's a meaningless comment on some level. Like this is, you're, you're just, you're just being a reply guy, you know?

00:19:35.060 But yeah, the guy, you know, he's a hero to conservatives. He's the richest man in the world who was, or it's on paper or whatever. But I mean, he's, he's obviously a massively important figure. And he's also kind of like gone further. I mean, I, I, Trump never really said things like this. Trump, Trump would say things like,

00:19:57.520 He never said Jews are anti-white. Definitely not.

00:20:00.420 No. And he was just like, I don't need your money. Um, when he went to some Jewish organizations, which I think was pretty agey. Yeah. He did take Sheldon Adelson. 0.55

00:20:10.540 Supposedly there was some meeting with Sheldon Adelson and, uh, he knocked Trump off the track of, you know, a two state solution or something like this. So, yeah. Um, but this was just really direct and very clear. It's a kind of Kevin McDonald, you know, type thing. And you're just seeing this all over the place.

00:20:32.240 And, and, and this, to go back to the caduceus metaphor of like two snakes fighting on a twirling staff. So the left is, is pretty much anti-white, you know, I mean, like you, you've got white liberals who, you know, want to hold on to their privilege and prestige, but, but we'll kind of like go listen.

00:20:55.620 And they'll invite black ladies over to their dinner parties to get, uh, harangued and, uh, they'll, they'll purchase, you know, uh, books about white privilege and they'll wring their head, you know, wring their hands and gnash their teeth and all that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:21:09.980 But, but, but there, there, there's a lot of genuine anti-white animus on the left. And they basically see Israel as a white colonizer state, a settler, settler colonialism. And at the very least, as just engaging in mass slaughter of poor brown people. I mean, it's just in their face.

00:21:34.440 And the right, I think a lot of them will probably sympathize with Israel precisely because it is fascist. And so, you know, you see this a lot of places like, you know, oh yeah, that's, you know, take that Hamas or whatever, you know, yeah, we're on the side of civilization or, you know, might makes right away, whatever they're going to say, you're, you're going to have that. 0.54

00:21:56.200 But like the bell was rung with the alt-right. The bell was rung with Nick Fuentes. The bell was rung with like Candace Owens and things like, and it just can't be on rung. And so they're not, they don't really feel secure on the right.

00:22:12.300 And the ADL had put all this investment in attacking the right and so on. And so these, the Caduceus, it's like, it was like in a perfect twirl for a long time. And you still see that perfect twirl with like elected officials.

00:22:29.000 So, you know, Fetterman, ape man, he'll, he'll like wave a flag and he'll go, and then like Katie Hopkins will be anti-Hama. I mean, that twirl, it's among elected officials, it's still kind of working, but the elected officials need legitimacy.

00:22:48.900 And if it breaks, if the Caduceus breaks down among the public at large, I would think it's safe to say, and definitely among activists and intellectuals, and it's, it's like a wobbling, you know, it's like a, you're putting on a play, but like the lights go out and everyone forgets their lines and someone throws a stink bomb at the theater and the audience runs out. It's just not working.

00:23:18.900 And that, and there, and there, I don't think they can like rescue it at this point. Yeah. So I think it's, I think it's over. I think the, the horse is out of the barn. There, something has happened that I don't think you can go back from.

00:23:36.700 The toothpaste is out of the tube.

00:23:40.860 Yes. There are more metaphors here.

00:23:42.660 I feel like, I feel like it's a make or break time right now. They're vulnerable. It's make it or break it. They're desperate. They're cornered. Their backs are against the wall, which is why I think it's such a dangerous time right now, where there's a number of things they could do that could escalate the war and get us involved against Iran. 0.61

00:24:03.820 That would cascade into a larger conflict.

00:24:07.600 And I just, I can't, I can't stop going back to how obsessed these people are with the destruction of Edom and how the view in the Talmud, and I've seen rabbi after clip of clips of rabbi after rabbi talking about how both Rome and Jerusalem cannot coexist.

00:24:23.820 When one is up, when one is up, the other one must be down. So they are hell bent on destroying Western civilization, America and Europe.

00:24:32.360 And I mean, the debt that we're in right now and the control that they have over and how they're using Christianity in the West to become more Judaized and kosher collaborators, you know, by the, by the year. 0.98

00:24:46.140 And like, you know, they're there. It's a big topic right now, how they're losing, losing the youth.

00:24:53.940 The demographics show that the future is not on their side for support of Israel.

00:24:58.440 So it's like now is the time for them to make their move.

00:25:02.080 There's a verse in the New Testament when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, then Israel will be saved. 0.99

00:25:09.720 When Christianity has played out his course and served its role, then it will be destroyed is how I interpret that. 0.96

00:25:16.140 When the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, as it says in Luke.

00:25:20.640 And I think we're at that time right now.

00:25:22.260 Ben Shapiro had a video last week.

00:25:24.380 He says, this is how the West ends.

00:25:26.820 You got God sod all over Twitter talking about the West.

00:25:30.100 Ben Shapiro saying the latent anti-Semitism in the West.

00:25:34.160 All this narrative about the West collapsing, the new Rome collapsing.

00:25:39.880 These people, I just, I just responded.

00:25:42.060 Ben Shapiro tweeted. 0.68

00:25:46.140 He said, this is because the West taught an entire generation of his children that the West is itself evil and ought to be destroyed. 0.99

00:25:54.940 These are the wages of the pathetic lack of self-confidence. 0.96

00:25:58.040 All of his rabbi friends and Chabad Lubavitch, who he works with, want Edom to be destroyed. 1.00

00:26:02.820 It's like their ultimate thing.

00:26:04.240 Their ultimate revenge fantasy.

00:26:06.820 How can he sit up here and he knows this.

00:26:08.540 He's sitting up here and gaslighting the world when he's got this skeleton in his closet, this secret.

00:26:14.980 It just, it blows my mind.

00:26:17.120 Well, I agree with you.

00:26:18.620 And I definitely think there's an esoteric level to it.

00:26:22.140 But I also agree with Ben Shapiro here because I think we're seeing a kind of like, something has been brewing for a long time in many directions.

00:26:36.740 And we're kind of seeing this fulfillment of it.

00:26:40.320 So, like, you, yes, there is no doubt that anti-white or anti-colonial or anti-European or anti-fascist education has been promoted everywhere.

00:26:54.340 From pre-K to Ph.D. level humanities studies.

00:27:00.800 And that ultimately has consequences, you know?

00:27:06.280 You can't, I mean, whether you're a rabid anti-white hate monger or not, you can't take that moral system seriously and then look at Gaza and being like, oh, yeah, that's all right. 0.86

00:27:21.520 Because, you know, I don't know, the Holocaust, like Hitler, ooh, yeah, okay, that's fine. 0.99

00:27:26.600 Checks out.

00:27:27.920 I'll co-sign the bombing of a hospital. 1.00

00:27:31.040 Give me a fucking break, you know? 0.98

00:27:34.300 And so, like, there actually are consequences, like, ideas have consequences, as the conservatives love to quote from the book by, what was it, Garrett Garrett or, no, I assume it was someone else. 0.99

00:27:46.580 Like, ideas have consequences, and we're seeing it.

00:27:52.420 And so, like, it's on you at the end of the day.

00:27:55.580 Like, Tucker was right.

00:27:56.920 Like, you, not only did you not stick up for whites when BLM was taking over Colombia or, you know, something like that. 0.63

00:28:05.480 Not only did you not do that, but you were actually continuing to fund it.

00:28:08.300 And now, the second Colombia makes, in many ways, reasonable criticisms of Israeli policy, now you're going to pull your billions.

00:28:19.560 Yeah.

00:28:20.160 It just doesn't work.

00:28:22.540 And the promotion of leftism is a part of that.

00:28:26.980 So, like, you're going to do that.

RadixJournal - November 17, 2023

Israel's Legitimacy Crisis

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