RadixJournal - Kanye, Nick, and Trump

00:00:00.000 I wanted to talk a little bit about the craziness that's going on.

00:00:07.800 And I do feel like it's kind of post-midterms craziness.

00:00:17.580 And it's in some ways a kind of predictable reaction to things.

00:00:23.100 I mean, first off, you know, the midterms weren't the worst thing in the world for Republicans.

00:00:30.860 I mean, they could say, oh, well, you know, we took back the House or whatever.

00:00:37.120 But they also spent a quarter of a billion dollars on the Senate, and they are going to be in a worse position.

00:00:44.240 They certainly didn't take it.

00:00:46.240 And anyway, the whole victory in the House is viewed as lackluster.

00:00:50.120 And all the Trump candidates, or many of the Trump candidates, lost.

00:00:56.040 And certainly the kind of hardcore-type election denier people definitely lost.

00:01:03.460 And so there's this kind of weird, ambivalent feeling in the air of, what do we do?

00:01:12.360 Should we just get rid of Trump and go mainstream?

00:01:15.460 I think that's actually quite delusional for them to do that, because ultimately the GOP is very unpopular.

00:01:24.480 And it actually is Trump's craziness that kind of gives it a reason for being and makes it popular and kind of you can't take your eyes off it.

00:01:36.500 But I also just sense something deeper happening.

00:01:46.100 And, you know, this Kanye Fuentes stuff fascinates me.

00:01:51.800 I have a little bit of a conspiracy theory about it, and I'm going to relay that.

00:01:58.420 Take this, for instance, the Colorado Springs shooting, obviously a terrible event.

00:02:06.820 One of these lone wolf types.

00:02:10.120 I mean, I think we're going to find out more about him.

00:02:12.740 And the fact that his dad is like, I don't know, quasi-endorsing it, basically excusing it and saying, well, at least he's not gay or something. 0.94

00:02:25.800 And also showing all of these weird facial tics of someone who is really mentally ill. 0.56

00:02:35.620 We're probably going to find out a lot like we found out about the Buffalo shooter, this kind of kid who has real issues, family problems, and he's kind of driven to something.

00:02:48.680 I mean, I think it's hard to believe that this was a random shooting.

00:02:53.400 I mean, granted, the Pulse nightclub event, which also was a gay bar, was apparently not animated by any kind of anti-homosexual animist.

00:03:02.920 That, of course, might happen again, but it just seems unlikely.

00:03:06.600 It seems like we're going to find out some radicalization story that's a lot like the Buffalo shooter.

00:03:12.540 And the reaction to this has been interesting because for years now, at least 20 years, in fact, we've kind of been used to the Islamic terrorist of some kind, maybe even like a Black nationalist terrorist of sorts in Dallas, Texas in 2015 or 2016.

00:03:35.660 And the right will be like, oh, you know, they're not telling us the real story.

00:03:43.020 He's connected to all these groups or this is why we need to shut down immigration and, you know, the usual type things. 1.00

00:03:51.060 And there's no doubt that, you know, these terrorist acts are kind of, you know, random acts of violence, of course, but they do kind of like get people on edge and probably do make people more right wing and on some kind of, you know, visceral level.

00:04:09.060 But we're in this kind of different situation where I do think it's safe to say that the right is more or less making excuses for this kid.

00:04:25.040 And they're doing it in kind of deceptive ways or they're deflecting.

00:04:29.580 But I mean, Tucker Carlson had this girl on who's part of a group called Gays Against Groomers and the banner underneath his interview with her said, you know, memo to liberals, just leave the kids out of it or something like this.

00:04:51.140 And that is actually threatening language, even if they don't want to endorse what happened, there's a kind of like, well, this was bound to happen when you bring gender ideology into public schools or something like that.

00:05:07.640 And the woman he interviewed is just some totally astroturfed, turf, I guess, just one of these people that just, you know, they're almost like, I mean, they might be kind of actually creative.

00:05:25.280 They have, there's nothing really going for them.

00:05:28.200 They're not interesting or important, but they kind of have some pop-up shop, like group, like Gays Against Groomers.

00:05:36.560 And they're just there to go on Tucker Carlson as like, oh, this is a grassroots activist or something.

00:05:42.040 You know, her grassroots activism seems to be social media and selling merch at a store. 0.98

00:05:48.120 Merch like a coffee cup that says, okay, groomer, you know, hilarious.

00:05:52.680 Her argument was this, it was, if you say that calling someone a groomer is an anti-LGBTQ whatever slur, then, so liberals are saying that.

00:06:06.560 And so they are in a way targeting gays and lesbians. 0.97

00:06:11.540 So when, so she's blaming liberals for the fact that this person went nuts. 0.93

00:06:20.460 So she, she was in effect blaming liberals.

00:06:24.640 It was a kind of like, you forced us to act like this due to your reckless behavior on social media.

00:06:31.260 I mean, look, the, the, the argument just, just simply doesn't hold up. 0.93

00:06:36.060 And it's just much easier to argue that these, this is one of these probably, you know, mentally ill, deranged loser types who gets really hopped up on this stuff on, on, you know, you know, they're grooming kids in schools. 0.96

00:06:56.580 They're, you know, the gays are on the march or whatever and goes out and does something. 0.98

00:07:00.560 I mean, that's just the much simpler explanation. 0.89

00:07:04.540 And instead, you know, at least that bottom banner that said memo to liberals, just leave the kids alone.

00:07:11.340 I mean, that, that is basically a threat.

00:07:13.740 And I think they're kind of upping the ante on this.

00:07:18.000 There's another weird statement by this woman, Jenna Ellis, who was big in the Republican party.

00:07:24.840 I think she's actually left the Republican party for some weird reason.

00:07:27.480 But anyway, she was also standing by Rudy Giuliani during his press conferences about Stop the Steal.

00:07:34.700 She's one of these typical, just goofy conservative women who go get a law degree at some place and then do political activism effectively. 1.00

00:07:44.320 And she was saying, you know, her argument was basically, we don't know, these people at the club, we don't have any evidence that they've given their life to Jesus.

00:07:57.760 So they put their faith in Jesus.

00:07:59.100 And so they won't be saved after being killed.

00:08:02.300 And thus, we shouldn't even talk about the murder.

00:08:06.860 We should really talk about the fact that they'll be spending eternity in hell.

00:08:10.920 Now, okay, I do understand that Christians sincerely believe that.

00:08:20.380 You know, on another level, it did, I and a lot of other people just got, you know, wrath of God, the vibes from statements like that.

00:08:31.960 I mean, these people were just gunned down in their gay club in Colorado Springs.

00:08:37.920 And next thing you know, she's talking about, oh, how they're going to be in hell.

00:08:44.100 It's just an odd thing to say. 1.00

00:08:47.180 And it does remind me a bit of the Westboro Baptist Church line of, you know, God hates fags. 0.99

00:08:56.880 And so that's why he killed these gay soldiers, which was actually why they, you know, had this lawsuit that actually went to the Supreme Court. 0.99

00:09:06.300 They were protesting outside of funerals for gay soldiers. 0.98

00:09:11.020 And they were basically saying that, you know, God killed your sons because he hates homosexuality. 0.98

00:09:16.720 I mean, again, I can understand why a Christian can actually believe this. 1.00

00:09:23.560 But it just, yeah, it reeks of wrath of God stuff.

00:09:28.900 It is pretty extreme.

00:09:32.320 And I do kind of sense this, I sense something of like they're feeling like things are out of control for them and they're losing power, they're being demoralized, and there's this tendency to lash out and to kind of go more extreme.

00:09:54.740 So you kind of expect them or some, you know, the media expects them to, oh, they're going to moderate, they're going to drop the Trump stuff, whatever.

00:10:03.460 Well, they might very well drop all the Trump stuff, but what they're going to go to is stuff like this.

00:10:10.160 And so I think there's a kind of like general background for this happening.

00:10:17.340 But I think there's also some interest, there might very well be some machinations going on.

00:10:23.460 So when I was at this, the day before Thanksgiving, just kind of relaxing by the pool, I saw this viral video of Fuentes going to a Florida airport and being alongside Kanye and going to meet Donald Trump.

00:10:45.840 Now, Kanye had a pretty interesting video that was put out that I believe was made by Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:10:57.060 And, you know, you can see a little glimpse of an ideology there.

00:11:02.520 Kanye is basically saying, we're going to judge every policy against the Bible.

00:11:07.320 So it is, you know, full on fundamentalism or Christian nationalism or theocracy or whatever. 0.78

00:11:13.940 Now, this is rather odd, obviously coming from a rap artist formerly married to Kim Kardashian, but it is what it is.

00:11:22.340 I actually do, as I've said many times, I think Kanye actually sincerely believes in what he's doing.

00:11:28.920 And Fuentes was involved.

00:11:30.720 And so this is a kind of, I think it's a triumph for him in a way.

00:11:35.920 And actually, when I saw it, I mean, I couldn't help myself but tweet out like, look, I think this is headed for a disaster.

00:11:44.640 And obviously, this is not what I want.

00:11:49.460 Yeah.

00:11:49.600 I mean, but look, I'm nothing, if not fair.

00:11:55.380 And I try to be, I actually try to, it's hard sometimes, but I try to put away biases and say, like, don't just denounce Kanye or whatever, but say, like, does he sincerely believe this?

00:12:09.580 And is there a kind of coherency to what he's saying?

00:12:12.320 And I would say yes to both of those questions.

00:12:14.420 I think everyone deserves a kind of fair shake.

00:12:19.200 And anyway, so he's, he's with Kanye, there's some kind of dinner at Mar-a-Lago.

00:12:28.920 Now, Trump has since claimed, you know, in a very typical fashion, actually, like, I had no idea who this guy was, I don't know who he is, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:37.500 But he did that for tons of people.

00:12:42.060 He famously did that with David Duke, even though he very much knew who David Duke was.

00:12:48.980 He actually got into battles with David Duke in the Reform Party in the year 2000 or thereabouts.

00:12:56.860 And obviously, David Duke is much more of a household name than Nick Fuentes is much more of a household name than myself.

00:13:03.820 It's, yeah, he knows who David Duke is.

00:13:06.420 Now, I think in the case of Fuentes, he might very well not be lying.

00:13:10.580 I don't, I do think that Trump has a TV understanding of popular culture.

00:13:18.820 And so he obviously watches Fox a lot. 0.99

00:13:22.920 He, who knows what else, what kind of garbage he consumes. 0.82

00:13:26.620 But I think he has a kind of mainstream TV understanding of the world and popular culture. 0.72

00:13:33.180 So I actually think it's believable, at least, that he actually didn't know who Fuentes is.

00:13:39.260 But that almost begs questions or raises more questions than it answers.

00:13:43.760 So it's very clear from this video that Kanye put out that Milo is instigating this.

00:13:56.500 The other thing that I noticed, I hate to say it, call me a self-centered narcissist if you must.

00:14:05.460 Milo was basically dressed almost in a cosplay version of me in 2016.

00:14:11.260 So Milo was more famous for being a kind of flamboyant homosexual with dyed blonde hair.

00:14:17.940 He now has dark hair, brown hair.

00:14:22.060 Maybe it's his natural color.

00:14:23.520 I don't know.

00:14:25.020 And he's wearing a gray suit.

00:14:27.420 So, look, I don't want to dwell on this too much.

00:14:32.760 But, you know, with Milo, everything's a kind of crafted personality.

00:14:38.060 And so I do think that he was trying to kind of imitate me or evoke me.

00:14:44.100 And I think that also kind of goes along with a much broader thing where all of these people are kind of like endlessly trying to recreate 2016.

00:14:57.280 Because 2016, for better and for worse, was this moment when it felt like something could change.

00:15:06.740 The establishment, particularly the Republican establishment, was just on its heels.

00:15:12.220 All these people who previously didn't have influence were shoved into the spotlight.

00:15:16.840 The game changed.

00:15:20.700 The language changed.

00:15:22.860 It was crazy.

00:15:23.940 You know, as I've talked about, there was just this kind of Dionysian feeling about being online in 2016 where tweets were going viral and liberals were crying.

00:15:34.500 And it just felt like even doing social media kind of had an impact.

00:15:41.340 I mean, I often feel now, I mean, I'll kind of put out my thoughts or I'll kind of use Twitter as like a rough draft for something that I'm thinking through.

00:15:49.680 I don't really go on Twitter for the years now and feel like we're fighting the meme war, you know.

00:15:56.700 It's just, at least for me, it does not have that feeling at all, nor probably should it.

00:16:02.120 All of that stuff was an illusion.

00:16:04.260 But I do think that there are people who are trying to revive this.

00:16:08.920 And they've got their hands on this billionaire.

00:16:11.480 And what's interesting about Kanye is, you know, when the controversy first struck a month ago, there was all of, he was working hand in glove with Candace Owens.

00:16:23.540 And they went to Paris Fashion Week together and, you know, donned White Lives Matter t-shirts or whatever in Helvetica typeface, black shirt with white letters, the reverse, etc.

00:16:39.100 And she was actually, from what I can tell, behind Kanye's rise in 2018 when he started making noise and the next thing you know, he was in the White House.

00:16:51.560 Now, Kim Kardashian also got invitations to the White House for prison reform or something. 0.97

00:16:57.360 But Kanye was there to engage in philosophy reform, I guess.

00:17:02.920 Just his, you know, unending, illogical, semi-coherent, mostly incoherent ramblings about religion and being, I guess.

00:17:15.180 So this has happened before.

00:17:17.000 Candace has instigated it. 0.88

00:17:18.760 There is clearly, like, a connection between Candace Owens. 0.54

00:17:22.280 He purchased Parler.

00:17:23.600 Am I right to say that that went through?

00:17:26.960 I think it did.

00:17:27.840 But anyway, he was at least talking about purchasing Parler.

00:17:31.060 I think he has.

00:17:32.340 You know, Parler is owned and operated by Candace Owens' husband.

00:17:37.940 So there's a lot.

00:17:39.380 I mean, to call all of this, like, self-serving is an understatement.

00:17:45.620 It is, I think Kanye is genuine.

00:17:49.300 I obviously, the kind of weird Christian anti-Semitism, plus we are the Jews because we're the blood of Christ.

00:17:58.180 And needless to say, this is not my cup of tea. 0.98

00:18:02.080 And I find it pretty dumb, to be frank. 0.86

00:18:05.440 And I actually don't think it's, like, ultimately productive. 0.95

00:18:09.580 I mean, who knows?

00:18:10.820 But whatever.

00:18:11.840 It's not my cup of tea.

00:18:13.120 But I do think Kanye, to be fair to Kanye, I do feel like he is genuine.

00:18:19.180 I think he is a good faith actor.

00:18:21.860 Now, Candace, look, she might believe what she says to some degree. 0.98

00:18:26.520 She's a grifter. 1.00

00:18:28.220 She's just gonna do her thing.

00:18:31.660 And she sees a billionaire who's getting kicked off social media, and she suggests that he purchase the social media company of her husband.

00:18:39.260 I mean, I can't imagine something more grifty than that.

00:18:44.900 Now, Milo has reentered the scene.

00:18:48.020 Now, I think a lot of us thought that Milo was really over.

00:18:52.020 I mean, Milo was, he became a kind of poster boy for Gamergate, first off.

00:18:57.060 And then he became a poster boy for the alt-right for a while, and I think was ultimately pushed aside in favor of myself.

00:19:09.940 I think he, to be honest here, I think he has a long-term grudge about this.

00:19:15.140 And then when these tapes reemerged of him talking with Joe Rogan, where he was, in effect, excusing pedophilia.

00:19:24.780 And really, pedophilia of the worst kind.

00:19:28.780 I mean, he was bragging about, joking about being abused by a priest, saying it could be an amazing experience.

00:19:37.160 One thing I remember, he actually made a claim that in all his L.A. partying that he does, and all these amazing parties that he's invited to.

00:19:48.120 I mean, again, all of these claims are pretty dubious.

00:19:52.880 But he saw very young boys being abused in some ways at these parties. 0.99

00:19:59.840 Now, if you witness, again, I actually think he's lying, to be honest, because I think he's a sociopath and a liar. 0.94

00:20:08.140 But regardless, he might be telling the truth.

00:20:12.060 And if you've witnessed this, the notion that you don't name names or go to the police is absurd.

00:20:20.400 And, you know, it's kind of interesting how no one focuses on that, because I think basically, at the end of the day, everyone just assumes Milo's lying.

00:20:32.000 But he was just bragging about it.

00:20:33.880 But it was all in his, like, more kind of broader attempt to put a gay face on right-wing politics. 0.92

00:20:43.140 And he's now putting a black face on right-wing politics. 0.87

00:20:47.840 So we've replaced Trump with Kanye.

00:20:50.640 Then he's also, I think, pretty consciously replacing me or some 2016 version of myself and putting the face of this, I guess, now formerly gay, you know, both, he claims both Catholic and Jewish identity. 0.95

00:21:13.860 Who knows what the hell he is? 0.96

00:21:16.180 Again, when you're dealing with a liar, just take everything they say with a, you know, truckload of salt. 1.00

00:21:24.160 I mean, it's all bullshit. 1.00

00:21:25.700 I don't even know what, there's no even point in speculating about, like, what he actually believes. 1.00

00:21:31.440 Or, oh, is he really dedicated to Judaism?

00:21:34.560 Oh, is he a Catholic? 0.98

00:21:35.860 Was he gay? 0.91

00:21:36.740 Is he now not gay? 1.00

00:21:37.760 Is he now, it's just, the guy is a sociopath. 1.00

00:21:40.460 There's no identity there. 0.82

00:21:44.620 You're just like, you're in a house of mirrors.

00:21:48.220 What's real?

00:21:49.240 What's an affliction?

00:21:50.020 I don't know.

00:21:51.140 I mean, it's just all nonsense.

00:21:53.340 You know, look, I would say this about Nick Fuentes.

00:21:56.000 I guess I'm in a very fair mood tonight.

00:22:00.220 I do think that Nick Fuentes, no matter how obnoxious I might find him, at least his public persona.

00:22:11.000 I do think he's actually a good faith actor. 0.94

00:22:14.920 I don't think he's just a lying sociopath. 0.54

00:22:17.700 I think he believes this stuff. 0.98

00:22:20.000 I think a lot of it is very, understandably in a way, just calum, just immature nonsense.

00:22:27.960 You know, let's go back a thousand years where, you know, if a woman expressed an opinion, you could throw her in the river or something. 0.66

00:22:38.280 You know, let's have a Catholic dictatorship. 0.92

00:22:41.280 All of this stuff, you know, I could, when you hear teenagers or, you know, men in their 20s are very immature.

00:22:49.380 I mean, I know what it's like when you hear that among youth, it's just, it's just, you just laugh it off.

00:22:55.920 It's just, it might come from an honest place, but it's just kind of venting or whatever you want to say, tough talk.

00:23:02.520 But I do think that he's genuine.

00:23:04.580 And obviously, no one in their right mind would turn down a dinner meeting with Donald Trump.

00:23:12.400 So I understand why he did it.

00:23:13.700 He might think that Trump and Ye will join forces and it will be this Christian nationalism or who knows what he thinks exactly.

00:23:22.880 Whatever you want to say about him, and I do find him obnoxious, I do think he is a good faith actor.

00:23:28.200 I think he believes what he's doing.

00:23:29.560 And much as in Stop the Steal and in 2021, January 6th, he's getting dragged along by people who are using him.

00:23:39.140 This is what I would speculate.

00:23:40.680 So let me read this article.

00:23:42.060 This was published at TimCast.

00:23:45.400 So they have a blog.

00:23:47.180 This is Tim Pool's blog. 0.99

00:23:48.920 So really one of the most obnoxiously stupid human beings on the planet, Tim Pool, whose popularity reveals much about our civilization. 0.99

00:23:59.920 This is written by Cassandra Fairbanks. 1.00

00:24:02.600 Yeah, former Russian asset, but not in an interesting way.

00:24:06.560 It's not like she's a devious spy or something.

00:24:09.140 She just worked for Sputnik and RT, just got paid.

00:24:12.200 She's just a hack. 1.00

00:24:13.980 I knew her.

00:24:16.360 Anyway, let me just read this article and I'll tell you what I think about it.

00:24:21.900 So Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, brought political powerhouse Karen Giorno and controversial commentator Nick Fuentes to dinner with former President Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago this week.

00:24:35.220 It's interesting that she describes Nick Fuentes as controversial as opposed to Christian nationalist or white nationalist or white supremacist or neo-Nazi or whatever.

00:24:46.240 Ye and the former president have both announced their intention to run for the White House in 2024.

00:24:50.940 The dinner between Ye and Trump had been previously arranged, but the additional guests were brought on by author and political commentator Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:25:03.540 There we have it.

00:25:05.140 So this was arranged.

00:25:07.640 Milo, who is still clearly a Wheeler dealer, he interned for Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:25:14.700 He's one of these people who has this kind of like preternatural ability to insinuate himself in places.

00:25:20.980 He's working behind the scenes in this and he's admitted it because Milo ultimately wrote this story.

00:25:26.320 I know how this stuff works. 0.53

00:25:27.500 You give things to a dumb reporter and she just is a stenographer, basically, who has been named by the fashion and entertainment mogul as his campaign director.

00:25:39.540 So Milo is already Ye's campaign director. 0.97

00:25:43.380 He has weaseled his way in there.

00:25:45.680 On Thursday evening, Ye shook up Thanksgiving when he tweeted a video featuring a discussion between himself and Yiannopoulos about the meeting.

00:25:53.920 And in that video, that's the one I was referencing earlier, Ye is kind of being the alpha dog vis-a-vis Trump.

00:26:04.780 It's fairly interesting.

00:26:06.400 Ye said that he thinks Trump was, quote, most perturbed, end quote, by him asking the former president to be his VP.

00:26:13.400 Well, I can understand that.

00:26:15.220 But the former president was, quote, really impressed with Nick Fuentes.

00:26:19.040 And Nick Fuentes, unlike so many of the lawyers and people that he was left with on his 2020 campaign, he's actually a loyalist.

00:26:28.700 That was Kanye's statement.

00:26:31.800 When he didn't know where the lawyer is, you'll still have your loyalist, Ye said, seemingly ad-libbing a line that would have fit perfectly into one of his hit songs.

00:26:41.720 Great writing, Cassandra.

00:26:43.140 Ye continued, when all the lawyers said, forget it, Trump's done, the loyalists were running up on the White House.

00:26:50.800 Yeah, J6.

00:26:52.760 The rap icon explained that he questioned the former president about not pardoning people who were arrested for protesting on his behalf on January 6th.

00:27:01.260 It suggested that he bring back the people who worked on his 2016 campaign but have since been canceled.

00:27:07.320 So they want to basically recreate 2016.

00:27:12.200 So they're playing two games here.

00:27:14.080 On the one hand, they're using Kanye.

00:27:16.160 This is the real Trump.

00:27:17.600 This is the real Christian nationalist. 0.75

00:27:19.780 They recognize reality that Trump has obviously a much better chance to win.

00:27:23.800 So they're kind of pushing him to do this.

00:27:26.360 So they're doing this move on him.

00:27:28.700 Ye said that Trump attempted to change the subject of his pardoning of Alice Johnson,

00:27:33.920 a grandmother who had been serving life without the possibility of parole for nonviolent drug offenses.

00:27:39.120 The woman's freedom has become a passion project for Kim Kardashian. 0.99

00:27:42.880 Trump, according to Ye, had said that, had said that partly, okay, there's a misspelling typo in here.

00:27:50.980 He had said that he pardoned her for him, that is Kanye, not Kardashian.

00:27:55.740 Things at the dinner began to unravel when Trump insulted Kardashian, the mother of Ye's children.

00:28:02.520 When Trump started basically screaming at me at the table, telling me I'm going to lose.

00:28:06.700 I mean, has that ever worked for anyone in history?

00:28:09.980 I'm like, hold on, you're talking to Ye, the candidate said at the end of the video.

00:28:14.680 According to a source familiar with the events at the dinner, this is Milo, who asked to remain anonymous.

00:28:20.400 This is again Milo.

00:28:21.740 Ye had arrived at Mar-a-Lago with Giorno, who served as Trump's Florida chief strategist in 2016,

00:28:28.740 and later a senior advisor for his campaign, as a power move to show that he's serious about the White House bid.

00:28:34.900 Giorno has worked for multiple presidents and is regarded as a highly formable at running campaigns.

00:28:40.860 Yeah, just some hack.

00:28:42.820 Though several reporters are citing anonymous sources to claim that Fuentes was not present at the dinner,

00:28:48.140 multiple people have confirmed to Tim Kass that he was, including Yiannopoulos and Giorno.

00:28:52.460 Okay, he was present.

00:28:54.220 He was brought there by Milo.

00:28:55.560 Trump was not given a heads up, Kanye would be bringing Fuentes with him to Mar-a-Lago,

00:29:01.760 and Trump did not meet Fuentes while he was there, according to a person familiar.

00:29:05.420 Nick attended the dinner and sat across from the president.

00:29:08.060 I sat to the president's right and Ye to his left, Giorno said.

00:29:11.940 The president was by himself for dinner, but invited Ye to meet someone, to meet some people on the patio.

00:29:18.900 Okay.

00:29:19.800 We had a traditional turkey dinner, which wasn't on the menu, Giorno told Kim Kass.

00:29:23.900 It was delicious, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:25.640 Yiannopoulos, according to the source, sent Giorno as a signal to Trump that, okay, she's literally repeating paragraphs. 1.00

00:29:33.780 You're such an idiot. 1.00

00:29:35.600 They hear this, it gets juicy. 1.00

00:29:37.620 Halfway through the dinner, Trump gets a call, the source told Kim Kass.

00:29:41.300 When he comes back, the whole tenor of the dinner changes, and he starts ranting about Kim Kardashian, 0.92

00:29:46.460 saying that she's disgusting, and all the rest of it.

00:29:49.580 Ye just looked around the table and said, that's the mother of my children that you're talking about. 0.96

00:29:55.100 By this point, the whole meeting had become a disaster.

00:29:58.880 Okay.

00:29:59.380 That's interesting.

00:30:00.840 I genuinely don't think that Trump knew who Fuentes was.

00:30:04.920 And I'm not saying that out of any kind of personal bias.

00:30:08.040 Trump starts getting edgy, antsy, fidgety, and angry.

00:30:13.620 He can't get them out of there fast enough, the source said.

00:30:16.460 The source is Milo, clearly.

00:30:19.040 When you get up to leave, there's an enormous line of people who want photos with Ye,

00:30:23.340 and not a single one of them asks for one with Trump alone, the source said.

00:30:27.400 All right, that's just a complete lie.

00:30:30.540 That's just pissing on Trump. 1.00

00:30:33.680 I mean, it's just so stupid. 1.00

00:30:35.040 You can see where they're going in this. 1.00

00:30:37.760 Trump was just kind of allowed to join in some of them.

00:30:40.560 By the end, Trump was like, is the car here?

00:30:42.580 Is the car here?

00:30:43.160 Where's the car?

00:30:44.200 This is the kicker.

00:30:45.740 Flynn says, once an avid Trump supporter is rumored to be in line to serve as the communication

00:30:51.060 director for the EA24 campaign.

00:30:55.600 So this thing is ridden by Milo.

00:30:59.320 And Cassandra served as a stenographer. 0.63

00:31:02.260 And Milo is basically promoting this in the media, that he wants Flint as a campaign communications

00:31:13.820 director for EA, which just is pretty absurd.

00:31:19.860 I mean, I guess it's just crazy enough to work or something like that in the sense that

00:31:24.520 he is a huge live streamer, has a built-in audience, much more than, say, Corey Lewandowski 0.98

00:31:29.320 or any of these idiots that worked on 2016. 0.99

00:31:32.120 This is what I would suggest. 1.00

00:31:33.820 So all of this is kind of fascinating and just crazy enough to be true or what have you.

00:31:39.760 But what I would suggest is that there might be something else going on here.

00:31:44.420 First off, all of this can be explained through existing dynamics.

00:31:50.180 Fuentes, you know, he has some silly fatuation with Kanye and this Christian nationalism stuff. 0.72

00:31:59.540 You know, he's also a white nationalist or whatever. 0.90

00:32:02.900 I mean, it's just, this is kind of typical.

00:32:04.780 I can kind of see him doing this easily to be explained.

00:32:08.740 And as I said, I do think he's acting in good faith, whatever we want to say about it.

00:32:13.940 Milo isn't.

00:32:15.180 I mean, this is what I would suggest is that Milo has long been a kind of infant, you could

00:32:25.040 say, of Rebecca Mercer and the Mercer family.

00:32:31.140 The Mercer family is already on board with DeSantis.

00:32:37.280 The Mercers were not on board with Trump. 0.89

00:32:40.460 And Robert Mercer is the famous guy.

00:32:42.540 He's a quant hedge fund manager, billionaire donor to Republican causes.

00:32:48.480 They were not on board with Trump at the beginning.

00:32:51.660 They were on board with Cruz and other people.

00:32:54.220 They got on board with Trump when the whole conservative establishment got on board in 2016,

00:32:58.940 when they felt like there was nothing they could do.

00:33:01.540 They would prefer someone like DeSantis.

00:33:04.820 DeSantis speaks their language.

00:33:06.480 Yes, Trump has been kind of a culture war fanatic, but Trump has these nationalist instincts

00:33:16.640 that kind of come out.

00:33:18.080 I mean, in a book, he supported national health care.

00:33:22.960 He'll claim that he wants to tax all these corporations and things like that.

00:33:28.860 No, he didn't do any of this.

00:33:30.280 I'm well aware of this.

00:33:31.560 His administration was just a typical Republican administration.

00:33:37.500 I don't think anything would have been that different if Jeb had been elected.

00:33:42.900 Now, there probably wouldn't.

00:33:43.860 Well, there definitely wouldn't have been a Muslim ban and all this talk of the wall. 0.95

00:33:48.140 But in terms of the policies that were successful, I don't think it would have been that different.

00:33:54.540 So they would rather have DeSantis than Trump, the billionaire Republican donor types.

00:34:01.980 Why not use your man, Milo, promise him that he can once again enter the public eye and be a sensation once again,

00:34:17.460 And at the same time, really harm Trump's campaign.

00:34:25.300 Because just the act of bringing Fuentes, Trump can claim, as he has done, that he didn't know Fuentes is.

00:34:34.260 And I, you know, 80% chance, 90% chance, that's true.

00:34:38.500 But he still, nevertheless, had dinner with him.

00:34:42.500 The whole, like, full-on denial of David Duke in 2016, you can't do that again.

00:34:49.600 And so this is harmful.

00:34:52.900 Just the whole scene is harmful.

00:34:56.120 And Kanye, you know, he can be, on the one hand, harmful.

00:35:02.080 On the other hand, he can actually sop up all of that online Trump energy.

00:35:09.600 There can be some weird anti-Trump movement in which all the online right goes with Kanye.

00:35:17.160 Because he's the Christian nationalist.

00:35:19.460 He's the full-on.

00:35:20.240 We've moved past the, in many ways, remarkably secular campaign that Trump ran in 2015 and the first half of 2016.

00:35:30.340 Before he started talking about abortion and judges in summer of 2016.

00:35:35.700 He never talked about any of that stuff.

00:35:37.760 He never mentioned gay marriage.

00:35:39.460 He never mentioned any of it.

00:35:42.760 If anything, I mean, he was photographed with a gay flag, a rainbow flag. 0.99

00:35:47.380 If anything, he would probably be more inclined to say something like, you know, we can't trust these Muslims because they abuse gays and women or something like that. 0.97

00:35:57.600 He would take that kind of almost neocon line, if anything. 0.97

00:36:01.180 So you want to create a yay campaign that will, at the very least, damage Trump and will also, could also sop up all that energy.

00:36:12.620 So all these people who would support Trump are, you know, hot after Kanye and they're demanding that we jail abortionists and, you know, the Ten Commandments will be the only constitution we need or whatever they're going to say.

00:36:29.840 And they have prayer tent revivals with Kanye in the lead. 0.98

00:36:33.700 And they think of themselves as just so smart because, you know, they're playing the PC police for fools. 0.99

00:36:42.280 You know, how can the woke mob call us racist when we're advancing and worshiping a black man? 0.99

00:36:49.620 Ooh, how smart we are.

00:36:50.980 So I can see this damaging Trump in two ways.

00:36:57.440 Immediately, just the scandal of it.

00:36:59.500 And then long term, if Kanye's campaign actually does have legs.

00:37:05.620 Can I prove this?

00:37:06.760 No.

00:37:07.760 Is this kind of connecting the dots or reading between the lines?

00:37:10.700 Yes.

00:37:11.580 But there does seem to be a possibility that this is happening.

00:37:16.160 Because this isn't happening from, like, the Steve Bannon wing of the right.

00:37:21.680 They are, they're still Trump.

00:37:24.520 They might even like DeSantis, but they're still pro-Trump.

00:37:28.660 Carrie Lake, you know, she was at a, she did a thing I saw where she was just like, we need Trump in the White House. 1.00

00:37:35.920 He's the only one who can do it.

00:37:37.440 You know, I'm there to fight for you.

00:37:39.320 Hint, hint, I want to be your VP.

00:37:42.140 Tulsi's probably angling at that.

00:37:43.800 I can't imagine Tulsi becoming Kanye's VP.

00:37:48.880 MTG is still loyal to Trump, et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:52.140 There's still a Trump thing going on.

00:37:54.300 Yeah, the donors have left.

00:37:56.100 Yes, the RNC hates him.

00:37:57.540 But that's where he was in 2015.

00:37:59.420 Anyway, he's done this before.

00:38:01.620 Could you stop it by having something even crazier?

00:38:05.540 And could you use a clear sociopathic wire that is Milo to kind of instigate this?

00:38:13.160 And, you know, you don't even need to tell him the whole plan.

00:38:16.560 Just kind of let him roll.

00:38:18.740 He might even do something like this anyway.

00:38:22.180 But you do need connections.

00:38:25.180 I mean, as wily as Milo is, you still need connections to get in the room with a billionaire or a celebrity.

00:38:35.000 It's not exactly easy.

00:38:37.820 This is just something that I would suggest.

00:38:41.320 But I overall think, regardless of whether this theory of mine is correct or not, I overall think that this is all of this is extremely damaging. 0.99

00:38:51.060 It's damaging, just ideologically stupid. 0.98

00:38:56.300 It's damaging in that way. 1.00

00:38:59.980 It is definitely damaging to Trump.

00:39:02.940 Although I'm not a Trump fan.

00:39:05.480 I'm just analyzing the situation.

00:39:08.160 And I think it's also just damaging in the sense that it's making the wider public just crazier.

00:39:17.880 Thank you.

RadixJournal - November 27, 2022

Kanye, Nick, and Trump

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