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Summary
This week, the internet was set afire with outrage over Netflix's latest release, an award-winning French drama about young girls simply entitled Cuties, Mignon. It struck a nerve and was the latest example of the yawning gulf between people who watch movies and the obnoxious poseurs who write about them. Is this film little more than child pornography, en masquerade? Is it encouraging or normalizing the sexualization of young girls? Or are we overreacting to what is simply a French art house outrage? By using so many French words, am I, in fact, making it worse?
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It's Sunday, September 13th, 2020, and welcome back to The McSpencer Group, America's most
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Ed Dutton is on hand for our long-awaited return.
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This week, the internet was set aflame with outrage over Netflix's latest release, an
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award-winning French drama about young girls simply entitled Cuties, Mignon.
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It struck a nerve and was the latest example of the yawning gulf between people who watch
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movies and the obnoxious poseurs who write about them.
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Is this film little more than child pornography, en masquerade?
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Is it encouraging or normalizing the sexualization of young girls?
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Or are we overreacting to what is simply a French art house outrage?
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By using so many French words, am I, in fact, making it worse?
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Ed and I discuss the reaction to the film and how we can better understand pedophilia
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I've just been swimming with the family to this spa where there was a wave machine, which
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And because of, I guess, because of fears over Corona or whatever, there was hardly anybody
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So there was no competition for the sponge floats and whatever.
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We are going to talk about something that is entirely anti-wholesome today.
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Um, we'll talk about the, uh, the, this outrage over the cuties film on Netflix.
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And then I, I think we'll be able to expand off into a lot of subjects that are, you know,
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a bit discomforting and, uh, tricky to say the least, maybe a little disgusting, but, um,
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I think they should be talked about and they need to be talked about in a adult forum like
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Um, so let's start with cuties because it's always good to start with something that is
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I presume that everyone who is watching this or listening to this has, um, heard about the
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I, I mean, I, I kind of get the idea of consumer boycotts are pointless.
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Uh, why am I canceling Netflix over this and not that, but, uh, nevertheless, this was a
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Um, but, uh, this has been addressed by Congress.
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Uh, there is, there are motions at least to, um, investigate this in some fashion.
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Uh, this has been denounced by major figures, uh, Tulsi Gabbard, um, one of my favorite politicians.
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It's been denounced by a lot of liberals, uh, as well, but it certainly evoked, uh, a great
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deal of conservative outrage and tons of, you know, alt-right, dissonant right, uh, outrage
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I feel a little bit bad talking about a film that I haven't seen.
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It seems a bit dishonest, but I really don't want to see it.
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And of course I have canceled Netflix, but I've read a few reviews and, uh, I would say
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that I, I do think the film is a little more ambiguous than it's been made out to be.
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Um, but nevertheless, the, the phenomenon, uh, persist.
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Uh, so this all started, um, it wasn't really the film because there are some films that
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take on difficult subject matter that you can get on Netflix or Amazon or iTunes or what
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all these streaming services that are often lower budget films that take on, uh, difficult
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I remember seeing a, um, a trailer for a film called white girl, which was kind of about
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coming of sad coming of age of lower class woman who was, you know, doing drugs and having
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The, the, the, the film, I mean, it was depicting it, representing it, but it was, um, seemed to
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I think the problem with cuties was right away.
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Netflix was advertising this as a underage strip show.
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I mean, I don't, I don't think that's wrong to say.
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The initial poster, uh, was, uh, of these girls, uh, glammed out, uh, the poster did not
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It was basically, uh, preteen girls, um, acting like, uh, dancing queens at best, I guess, and
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strippers at worst, maybe even, even worse than that as, as human trafficked, uh, prostitutes.
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Um, and this generated outrage, Netflix apologized.
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And I think the line that I've seen is that this was a botched poster or something as if
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they, you know, uh, made a mistake or something.
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I, I think it was quite deliberate what they were doing.
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Um, and the, uh, the, the subsequent posters have been a little more tame.
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Uh, but I mean, this movie is more nuanced from what I've read than that poster would imply.
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Um, and it, it's actually about a Senegalese girl and, um, she's, you know, going through
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the issues of life and having family trauma and so on.
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Uh, but I also don't think it's wrong that this film is in the, you know, the, the, the
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poster and the thumbnail of the film is meant to titillate.
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You're, you don't click on it or walk into the movie theater for the, for the nuance.
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You click on it and go to the movies for the titillation and sensation.
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And, uh, I think that is clearly what was going on.
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And even if there are more nuances, I, I, there's no question that, I mean, it's a French film.
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So this, the, the, the, the, in general, my experience of French films is that compared
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to American films or British films, you know, they're inherently deep.
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I mean, the, the, the French are people who can make penguins wandering around on the
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ice doing penguin stuff, a profound emotional experience.
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I think the version that I got was the original version where it's French.
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It's much more profound if it's narrated in French than it's narrated by Morgan Freeman.
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So I think there could be an element of sort of cultural misunderstanding there.
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And also perhaps attitudes towards the sexualization of children and things like this are rather
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more, uh, liberal, um, in, in, in French sort of art house drama.
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Uh, if you look at other posters that they've done for this film, remember it's a Senegalese
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girl, Muslim girl, and she's torn between the hyper-sexualized, uh, tween age, I suppose
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you'd say, or whatever, early teenage world of her very poor Parisian friends.
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Um, and the Islamic world, uh, of, of her background.
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And, uh, in the end, she makes a choice to go with neither.
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And, um, the, I'm sorry if I've spoiled the plot for anybody.
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Uh, but that was the, what they tried to argue was that this was, uh, a critique almost.
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This was a presentation of reality that the reality is that the culture is hyper-sexualizing
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Um, that they are hyper-sexualizing themselves and they dress like, uh, we have this phrase
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And, um, they, they, they, they, they, they, they dress rather like that.
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So there's highly sexualized and they've got all these sexual influences.
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And there are other posters, uh, which they put up where it's these girls in normal clothes
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and the sort of Parisian background and whatever.
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But it seems to me, um, not too much of a stretch to think to oneself that while it
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is, um, presenting that reality and it is a reality, uh, of the sexualized nature of
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these teenage girls, particularly in working class districts of Paris or whatever, um, uh,
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and the fact that the Muslims are going to come into contact with them and therefore it's
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going to put them in an extreme sort of dissonance about how they should behave.
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You are rather contributing to it if you do a poster of girls who are whatever they
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are, 15, 14 years old, how old are they supposed to be?
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Um, you know, looking sexy and having the sexy, sexy looks on their faces.
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You're contributing to the very culture that you're claiming to attempt to artfully, um,
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So I find it hard to believe that they didn't realize that, you know, we've got to get publicity
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Think of all the people that are going to watch this film simply because of the furore that
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I mean, for the amount of subscribers they've lost, uh, they might very well have gained
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And the other aspect is that there's this, you know, there, there is a kind of a certain
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kind of snobbery of, uh, upper middle-class people that, that are probably subscribed
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to HBO and things like that and not just Netflix, but that, oh, I can watch this.
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I can appreciate this, you know, sensation, uh, in, in a way that those, you know, uh, dumb
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They're almost getting, getting a certain cachet.
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I'm, I, I, I, they see themselves wrongly because we have research on what left-wing people
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the like, and they feel the sense of moral disgust, uh, uh, with regard to those that
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are different from them politically, uh, a lot more strongly than right-wing people
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And they feel this sense of equality very intensely and they have less emotional control,
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uh, uh, than, than, uh, conservatives, but they can sort of think to themselves, yeah,
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People have these instincts to these, these lower class people that vote for Brexit and
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They, they, they have these base instincts to just judge this film and judge this poster
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Um, we've had extreme examples of, I mean, if you, if you look at modern art, a lot of
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modern art is the ultimate example of the emperor has no clothes kind of thing.
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Uh, even if you go back 20 years in Britain, you had the Turner prize, which was the leading
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And it was things like Tracy Emin's unmade bed, uh, or, or it was, it was, it was, uh,
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I think it's the, I'm above my instincts and through effort for effort, full control.
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I can watch this, but, uh, I, I think there's a, there's another aspect to it, which is that
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if you look at white liberals in the, their lifestyle, uh, they're living in the suburbs,
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they are in some cases living in urban environments.
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Um, but they, uh, and, and you can certainly find them in rural environments as well, but
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less so, but they are living a kind of wasp existence.
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And they, you know, I think we, sometimes conservatives will, you know, allow social
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And they think that every white person voting for Biden has blue hair and is yelling at people
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and screaming or protesting and throwing Molotov cocktails.
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Uh, the fact is what, you're like, that's true.
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Um, if you actually go to these white liberal communities, they are pretty waspy.
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And I think there's this almost, uh, there, there's a certain kind of pity that you look
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down, you know, your pity allows you to achieve a certain degree of power.
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You, you are looking down on someone and kind of thinking, well, this isn't happening to my
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And, uh, this is kind of a problem among the lower classes.
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I, I was reminded of, um, something that was, uh, a kind of phenomenon from, uh, about 10
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And it was, uh, coincided when I was at Duke university.
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Um, but there was this, uh, book that was out on hookup culture and it, they actually went
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to Duke university as, you know, one of these, you know, kind of high flying places where you'll
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And they were talking to girls about hookup culture and what the book revealed was that
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there was almost the, this cold, almost sociopathic, uh, response to what's the matter at.
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I'm just looking in more detail that, that, um, that picture.
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Uh, so there was this book on hookup culture and what it depicted was this cold, almost
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sociopathic relation to sex where these girls would, you know, uh, go give a blow job, get
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a little something for themselves and then kick the guy out of their dorm room, uh, at, you
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And it was almost this kind of like consumerist aspect to sex or it was fun.
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There was actually another controversy about a year later, which was the, this girl, the
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sorority was, did a PowerPoint presentation on her fuck list and was just kind of coldly
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documenting what she's done and how she's risen in status.
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And so it was pretty shocking just in the level of sociopathy, you could say.
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Uh, but what this book, um, actually was kind of concluded was that you would have these
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upper middle-class white liberals who would go to Duke that could act like this and in
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a way get away with it and maybe end up married and what have you, or end up with a career.
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Uh, but these same trends occurring among lower classes ended up in, uh, broken families, lots
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of unplanned pregnancy, abortion, uh, drug use, and so on.
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Well, I guess it's the difference between operating that strategy and not being particularly intelligent
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Um, and operating that strategy because you plan to operate it because you're coldly psychopathic
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and highly intelligent and you realize you can make money out of it and you can sort of
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drop it whenever you want to, and you have access to resources and the contacts to not
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And so there's something, there's something rather different about a person who, um, you
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know, has an illegitimate child because they, they're liberal and they think that marriage
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is an increasingly irrelevant social construct and they don't think they need to get married
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And they live in, I don't know, in some nice part of North London and have an illegitimate
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But if a, if a person does it, uh, accidentally because out of a drunken drug fuel, you know,
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gang bang, you know, then, then, then, then that's the same thing, but it's not, it's less
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And white liberals aren't doing what you describe.
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I mean, in, in the sense of family formation and so on, this is the coming apart.
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Thesis of Charles Murray, where all of these obnoxious, uh, upper bourgeois, uh, whites
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actually are forming families and sending their children to private schools and so on.
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And it's actually the lower classes that are, are kind of losing, uh, this, you know, supposed
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conservatism, which they might actually admire more than the upper classes.
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They're, they're just a lot of ironies, uh, going on, but I think there's the, it's always
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the irony with the woke, the woking, the woking classes, as I call them, the working classes
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as opposed to the working classes that they are, um, it's like Christians as well in the
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They, they, they, they signal humility as a means of further entrenching their wealth
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and further in further entrenching their, their social status and further entrenching their
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lack of humility, really by signaling their humility or signaling their, uh, you know, their
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And so now you do it by signaling your, rather than in the old days, you'd signal your religiousness,
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your traditional values in Victorian England or whatever.
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Now, of course, you signal your abhorrence of that.
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You signal the degree to which you are the opposite of that.
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The degree to which, you know, I don't need to get married.
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I'm perfectly happy to have an illegitimate child, uh, illegitimate children or whatever.
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I'm perfectly happy to do, I'm perfectly happy with immigration.
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If I get pregnant and the child has Down syndrome, I'll keep it as a way of signaling my morality
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and my, you know, how, how kind of in touch I am.
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And so, and it's only these working class people that would get pregnant with a Down syndrome
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So it's a side of my wealth that I would keep it.
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And, um, and, and then you, you just get this signaling in the opposite direction.
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I'm signaling my humility in all of these ways.
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But in reality, of course, it helps me to cement my status.
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And so you have this irony, but it's those very people that will send their kids to private
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schools, or if it is to state schools, it will be what you call in America, public schools.
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It will be to public schools in the nicest possible area, you know, the nicest catchment
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So they can then signal their virtue by saying, oh, well, no, I haven't sent my kids to private
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But, but, but look, public school, but of course it's a public school in some wonderful
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There's not a huge difference between public and private, but, but also it, it, this seems
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to come to a degree from a meritocratic society, an individualist society where in other,
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and I don't think I'm being entirely nostalgic and saying this in other times, the upper classes
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felt like they are a guardian class of the lower orders and they would have a realistic
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assessment of the lower orders, but they would seek to take care of them in America where
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And it's supposedly meritocratic and individualist, and it's all about accumulating wealth or so
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Then it's just kind of like, well, uh, screw them.
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They aren't clever enough to be, to achieve my type of lifestyle.
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And you can, again, have pity for them in the sense that you are looking down on them.
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Uh, didn't you have that paternalism in the South to some extent?
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I mean, are you talking about like the old South or?
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I mean, the, the dominant, you know, as, as, uh, the role Jordan role book shows the Junovese
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Day book, the, the dominant emotion between slave owner and slave was love.
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In fact, it was a, a paternalistic, uh, love that they are, they, they aren't doing this
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just as an economic system, that this is actually a moral system.
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I mean, in England, they were certainly at the public schools.
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They were very, what we call public schools, these prestigious boarding schools and the prep
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They were heavily inculcated with this noblesse oblige kind of Spartan lifestyle.
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In fact, they would, they were deliberately and willfully modeled on the teachings of
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Plato and, and Plato argued that the, the aristocracy should never know their parents
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kind of thing, uh, that the, the, the bond with the parents should be broken such that
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the, the, the no, the nobles are there to, um, to look after society and to act in the
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best interests of society and to fight for society and to, to look after the lower orders.
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And that's, that's, that's the quid pro quo they pay for their privilege.
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And therefore, as part of their privilege, they must be inculcated with
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these group selected values through a sort of system of, of, uh, of, of kindly meant
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Uh, and that was, that was kind of what the, the, the system did.
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And those were the kinds of people until really quite recently.
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I mean, as recently as the late, uh, early eighties, the foreign secretary in England.
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So the second or third most powerful man in, in England was a hereditary peer.
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And you had various other people, William Whitelaw, who was Mrs. Thatcher's home secretary,
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uh, lots and lots of others that were gentry, that were part of this upper class tradition.
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And it's only with new labor that that really falls apart.
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And you just get, as you say, these upper middle class people that haven't been to public school.
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They've been to a lot of them to private, to stay private schools or state schools.
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And they, as far as they're concerned, they have much more kind of Mrs. Thatcher's kind
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of attitude, I suppose, really without the gentry to hold her back, which is that you should
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And so you kind of, you, you, which is insane because the, the genetics of, of these traits,
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such as intelligence and personality that predict getting to the top are very high.
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And so 0.8 for intelligence, 0.5 was more for personality.
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So you can see how this, uh, would, uh, would happen.
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Um, and then you would, of course, as Charles Murray argues in, uh, the bell curve, uh, you,
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you get this increasing social stratification because of meritocracy, whereby,
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why people increasingly just don't know or have anything to do with people of lower social
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classes, let alone regard them as people they should look after or care about.
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Um, and so, and so you get this, um, increasing polarization.
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Well, I'm just going to mention that many people in our movement will say things like, well,
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race, uh, when we deconstructed race, that began the downfall of Western civilization and so on.
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Uh, I mean, and, and, and if we can just get real about race, that this will be the upfall
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of, uh, Western civilization, I would, um, interject that it was class deconstruction that
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And I don't think that we can save Europe writ large, uh, without a kind of class reconstruction.
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And I don't mean that in the sense of, you know, oh, wealth inequality is great and we
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Um, but there, there, there needs to be a paternalistic guardian class in any type of
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society that can deal with these things realistically.
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And these meritocratic sociopathic elites are just as much of a problem.
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I think, I think a lot more of the problem, uh, than say, you know, illegal immigrants or
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So John Glove argued in his book on the decline of civilizations, he noticed that always during
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the early winter of civilization, as the civilization starts to be noticeably in decline and becomes
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polarized and whatever, you always get the same process.
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You always get them because of the collapse of religiousness and the collapse of patriarchy.
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You always get immigration because people don't have believe in a God anymore that sees them
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And also you always get everything being about money and nothing higher than money because,
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because for these kinds of whores that you were talking about, that recount the number
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of blowjobs they give or whatever, there, there, there, there, there is nothing for them
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They have no transcendental values that say that certain things are just appalling and
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beyond the pale for, for like eternal, eternal.
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I would say that they actually respect themselves quite a bit.
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They deeply love themselves in a kind of narcissistic way.
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But they, but they, but they have no eternal sort of values and consequently, they, everything's
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about money and therefore they can do things that disgust them.
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And the other thing that you, that you find in the, uh, in this glove argues in this fall
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of civilization in this winter stage is that all the old values are questioned.
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Um, and so not just aristocracy is questioned, which undermines the paternalistic class.
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So there's no eternal values, no, no, no patriarchal values, no, uh, sense of ethnocentrism, nothing
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to fight for, a feeling that everything's just kind of run out.
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Um, but I, and then we go, we've gone further than this.
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You start questioning every sort of structure, every sort of difference.
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And it creates a kind of a, an arms race of questioning in order to be more questioning
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and thus supposedly more intelligent, intellectual than the next man.
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There's middle class questioning of things, questioning of gender roles, questioning now of sexuality
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and sexual orientation, questioning of, of the nature of male and female, um, and, and this
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push towards equality that you get in that stage of civilization.
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So it's been built up because the civilization is about hierarchy.
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It's a binding values of, of, of hierarchy and in-group loyalty.
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These are binding values where you sacrifice the good of the individual for the hierarchical
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structure that is necessary to have an ordered society that can compete with other societies
00:25:24.040
Um, and, uh, you have this in-group loyalty and that you, therefore you make sacrifices
00:25:29.360
What you see at the decadent stage when everyone's really, really rich and whatever is the decline,
00:25:34.420
uh, because these values are upheld by religiousness.
00:25:37.620
Once the religion declines, you get these individualistic values of everything is about
00:25:42.100
harm avoidance and no harm and don't hurt me and, you know, um, and, and about equality
00:25:47.080
and questioning everything in the direction of equality.
00:25:49.540
And that's what we see here that this highlights, you question everything, you question sexuality,
00:25:53.920
you question gender, eventually everyone's equal, people that are gay and straight are
00:25:58.000
equal, people that are different races are equal, men and women are equal.
00:26:01.440
And eventually, well, what about children and grownups and the most fundamental evolutionary
00:26:08.400
thing, which is that parents are there to raise their children and raise them frankly in a group
00:26:17.540
Cause that's the traditional way that children are raised in part of a religion part of the
00:26:21.380
good of the group, um, becomes no childhood should be about having a nice time and lots of lovely
00:26:27.500
life experiences, which leaves you unprepared for competing in a society where, where you,
00:26:34.000
you know, these group values help you to compete.
00:26:36.800
Um, uh, uh, and even worse that, Oh, well, I'm, I don't want to judge my child.
00:26:44.260
I don't, I, my child's an individual and I'm an individual.
00:26:46.580
And so you have this abnegation of responsibility to look after the child.
00:26:50.580
It's almost like the child and the adult child, the parent are no different.
00:26:55.700
And then you, if the child wants, will imitate the adult to the extent of this sexualized
00:27:01.480
poster, where you have this black girl on her hands and knees, like a, it was a doggy
00:27:05.860
style asking for asking to be penetrated, which is the poster.
00:27:10.040
Um, then, and that is part of this, this questioning of everything.
00:27:17.960
Um, and, and, and the case of that boy whose mother in America, whose mother allowed him to
00:27:23.320
dance on stage at gay nightclubs and gay men were saying, well, giving him money.
00:27:29.480
And then pedophiles online were saying they'd like to have sex with him.
00:27:32.200
Um, because she had abnegated all responsibility for his interests and just let him do whatever
00:27:37.640
he liked and indeed encouraged him to do, to, to, to do these, these unusual peculiar things.
00:27:44.200
Whereas as a responsible mother would say, okay, the son's going through a bit of a weird
00:27:51.920
Um, and then eventually you get a point where once all of this is questioned, pedophilia starts
00:27:58.800
Something, well, look, I, I, I, everyone is in favor of these excluded groups.
00:28:16.420
I, I don't think the fact that, uh, the, the cutie's protagonist is Senegalese is, um,
00:28:25.620
just a, a, a, you know, a dispensable aspect of this thing.
00:28:30.520
I, I, I do think that a lot of this functions on, uh, upper-class white liberals looking down
00:28:36.160
on immigrants and kind of not caring about them.
00:28:38.900
Just, I should mention that, but, uh, let's, uh, not so much with the, um, you know, tween,
00:28:46.940
uh, tranny boy who was, who was white and had Antifa parents apparently.
00:28:51.660
Uh, but let's, let's go there in terms of this notion that the car has no brakes.
00:28:59.460
And, um, I can, you know, I, I was born in 1978.
00:29:03.200
I can remember the gay rights movements of the eighties and nineties.
00:29:09.480
I can remember that within the context of the AIDS, uh, epidemic.
00:29:13.940
Uh, and I can remember, you know, homosexuals kind of gradually finding their way into culture.
00:29:22.580
And I think they did this, um, you know, to a large degree, but kind of in a way neutralizing
00:29:28.760
themselves and having presenting themselves not as a major threat.
00:29:34.000
There was a, there, there were kind of, you know, there was the AIDS crisis, which is,
00:29:40.020
Um, then there was the, you know, activist homosexual kind of from the seventies of, you
00:29:49.060
We're going to maybe even have a bit of a gay riot, so to speak.
00:29:52.940
Uh, and then there was kind of the move in the nineties and two thousands of the kind
00:29:58.920
of fun, amusing, cute gay, who is humorous and is your hairdresser and friends with your
00:30:07.760
That was actually much more successful in terms of, um, neutralizing homosexuals and making
00:30:14.400
people accept them, uh, gay marriage, I think was a, a kind of, I think the Andrew Sullivan
00:30:19.520
type tactic of saying we're almost normal and we're just like you bourgeois people who
00:30:26.380
want to get married and have a mortgage was also a very successful strategy, uh, for gays
00:30:34.200
But I, I can remember in about 2013, uh, when gay marriage had effectively been accepted across
00:30:42.880
the board, uh, Barack Obama, who opposed gay marriage in 2008, uh, endorsed it and, and
00:30:52.080
Um, uh, I think Tim Cook, who was the CEO of Apple computer, which is a multi multi-billion
00:31:00.280
Uh, and it was just almost a, you know, we've won moment where this is so mainstream.
00:31:06.720
Now you can't even really, you know, it's not even a thing.
00:31:13.140
And many, you could see, you know, national review, the conservative case for gay marriage
00:31:18.560
And I remember thinking at the time, well, okay, I guess this is now over and we can move
00:31:28.040
And within a year, uh, who popped up on the radar screen, but Caitlyn Jenner and the, we
00:31:36.340
went to transsexuals and within a couple of years after Caitlyn Jenner, which you could
00:31:42.660
say is an oddity and, you know, idiosyncratic novelty, uh, we went to trans children and that
00:31:51.840
was promoted in the mainstream, uh, by, uh, 2018 or 2019.
00:31:57.580
Um, there was a, um, presidential, uh, democratic presidential gay, lesbian, queer, uh, forum on
00:32:08.060
CNN in which most of the candidates were effectively endorsing, uh, conversion therapy for children.
00:32:16.460
There was actually a, uh, notorious and, and really shocking scene in which, you know, Elizabeth
00:32:22.200
Warren, this just, you know, tedious, uh, you know, daughter of Puritans going the way
00:32:30.400
that she does talking with his other just tedious, uh, you know, overweight woman who is, they're
00:32:37.100
bragging about her child being, you know, uh, a transsexual and they're going through therapy.
00:32:42.340
Of a child going through, a child going through a phase as all children do phases of various
00:32:49.820
And the parents should direct the children, um, in a, an adaptive direction rather than just
00:32:56.960
But if I listened to my son and just let him do what he wanted, he'd be on the computer
00:33:02.060
Um, and also going through puberty, they don't understand what sex is.
00:33:06.620
They're, they're going to kind of be weird and, you know, you just have to accept that.
00:33:12.080
And kind of accept it, you know, but then also direct them in a, in a positive direction,
00:33:19.220
but, but also understand that, you know, look, being a kid, you, you're, you're learning all
00:33:28.160
I mean, it's, it's, it's a difficult time, but to, you know, a kid who's a boy who says,
00:33:37.780
Let's castrate him immediately and, and change him to a girl.
00:33:42.280
Um, yeah, I can remember, I had an older sister who was five years older than I, and her friends
00:33:47.080
would always dress me up like a girl whenever they would come over.
00:33:50.680
Uh, but there was no, which was, I look back as like a form of amusing hazing or something
00:33:56.760
on, on behalf of my older sister, but it is not important.
00:34:02.620
And the, the notion that that said something significant about my inner identity is absurd.
00:34:09.040
And so, yeah, I just, I used to dress my dog up in human clothes, but there was no, no
00:34:19.000
Um, but the thing, the thing, the thing that's interesting about it is that in the seventies,
00:34:23.720
when there was this general free for all, particularly in the UK, you had the pedophile
00:34:28.400
information network, it was called, which was this pedophile advocacy group.
00:34:34.860
It was advocating for the age of sexual consent to be reduced to three or something.
00:34:39.040
Um, and it, and it, and it attached itself to, uh, the civil liberties, this pro civil
00:34:46.720
Um, and it was kind of, to some extent accepted among this group.
00:34:51.220
And then eventually there was a public backlash against it.
00:34:54.000
Like we we've gone too far that those, the right, despite for me types that want to destroy
00:34:58.580
society and completely undermine everything and just embrace the void and embrace chaos.
00:35:09.100
Um, and there was this kind of transference that as homosexuality was increasingly promoted
00:35:14.840
as acceptable and okay, pedophilia was increasingly the thing that, no, that's out.
00:35:22.320
Yeah, because we, you see even liberals talking about this is cuties is promoting sex, sex
00:35:30.000
I mean, I think they know it's, it's gone too far too soon and it undermines what they're
00:35:38.420
Like, yeah, this is like, this is like a hundred steps forward.
00:35:45.780
If you look at places like Iran or whatever, the Shah, he liberalizes society.
00:35:53.280
And the consequence of that was a huge backlash on the establishment of the Islamic state.
00:35:59.420
Um, and so you, you can't go, that's what they've got to be careful about.
00:36:02.160
If you go too far, you get a backlash and that's a problem for these people.
00:36:05.040
They, the, the idea is to, to, um, to slowly, uh, get you used to it.
00:36:10.860
So get you, get you used to, yeah, gays is fine.
00:36:21.580
Now in Britain, we have these people that call themselves maps, minor attracted persons.
00:36:27.240
And they've got their own flag, like a gay pride flag.
00:36:30.400
And they've got, and they've got their own, you know, they're slowly sort of putting it
00:36:35.080
And there's a, there's a psychologist called Stephen Harper at Nottingham Trent University,
00:36:38.880
who's, he told a newspaper, um, I think that the map community is essential.
00:36:42.940
We know that people are minor, who are minor attracted, face a lot of stigma in society.
00:36:47.620
We know that a lot of them don't commit any offenses at all.
00:36:50.400
So actually having the community where they can support each other and their mental health
00:36:55.180
And Harper added, as a heterosexual male, it doesn't mean because I see a female in the street,
00:37:00.960
It's a common misconception that minor attracted people have no self-control.
00:37:04.000
They have the same level of self-control as anyone else.
00:37:13.560
Like, I mean, I, I think this needs to be snuffed out.
00:37:20.360
Uh, however, I, I, I mean, I would say this just to be entirely objective about this matter.
00:37:27.540
I do think that I, I don't, I don't think that a, a pedophile is, I don't know what to
00:37:35.020
You know, he, he, he's, he's, he's indulging in sin or he's been, he's been changed by society.
00:37:40.180
I, I would imagine that a pedophile does have a serious mental disorder that, and maybe even
00:37:46.860
a genetically defined one and he should be treated clinically.
00:37:50.260
Uh, but I, I agree there, there's this problem with, with objectivity where, you know, again,
00:37:57.280
a, um, objectivity does not mean endorsement or, or acceptance.
00:38:01.340
So I, I think we can talk about these very discomforting matters.
00:38:10.580
What they're doing when Slate Magazine writes some article on, you know, how pedophiles, it's
00:38:17.600
I know what they're doing, but at the same time, at some level, it isn't their fault.
00:38:25.760
Sexual orientation, um, develops maladaptively.
00:38:29.340
It has to go through a series of phases to become, uh, heterosexuality.
00:38:36.340
This is a consequence of things happening in utero, um, problems with mother and her hormones
00:38:42.840
Um, uh, and so, uh, that's, uh, that's certainly true that, that, that, that's, uh, pedophilia,
00:38:48.500
uh, correlates with all kinds of other markers of developmental instability, such as, uh, uh, asymmetrical
00:38:55.440
face, minor physical abnormalities, uh, all, all kinds of things like that.
00:39:01.300
There's nothing adaptive about wanting to have sex with children.
00:39:04.420
Uh, hemophilia is a slightly different thing, but there's nothing adaptive about wanting
00:39:08.180
It, it, it correlates, it correlates with, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, mood, mood disorders.
00:39:14.980
25% have obsessive compulsive disorder and personality disorders of various kinds.
00:39:19.340
Uh, 61% have borderline personality disorders or the sense of the self hasn't developed properly.
00:39:25.420
Um, so yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not their fault, but they're basically people that
00:39:29.900
for those, due to those different sets of circumstances are seriously ill, uh, mentally
00:39:34.660
ill, often physically ill as well, because it correlates with lots and lots of physical
00:39:39.060
Um, and so to promote it as, uh, uh, on a par with, uh, homosexuality, particularly when,
00:39:47.120
as I've said, there's some evidence that homosexuality could even be group selected, um, uh, doesn't
00:39:53.320
I suppose, uh, it could be argued that there could be a group selected dimension to it in
00:40:00.820
so much as these people are attracted to children, therefore want to work with children and be
00:40:05.480
And as long as they are absolutely forbidden to act on it, well, there's something like
00:40:09.340
that, but that seems to me improbable, but you consider all of the, uh, uh, negative,
00:40:17.640
So, yeah, there, there's plenty of non-criminals who want to coach soccer.
00:40:23.800
I mean, I don't think we need to accept it on that basis.
00:40:31.000
So I think, I think it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a matter of the salami tactics,
00:40:35.660
a matter of preparing society and going too far.
00:40:39.220
Like in Britain with the wokeness, they decided to, the BBC decided not to play, uh, Royal
00:40:46.000
Britannia, uh, the last night of the proms, which is famous patriotic thing, the last night
00:40:51.420
And it was realized fairly quickly that they've gone too far.
00:40:58.380
We should be banning the British national anthems, you know, 30 years from now, not now.
00:41:04.980
And so they've gone backwards and that was, that was, I think what happened with, um,
00:41:11.400
Do you think there's, there's also kind of a, a class dimension?
00:41:14.640
I mean, I, I, I, I, again, I, I think that, I think that pedophiles need to be, uh, obviously
00:41:22.060
crime that needs to be criminalized, but they, they, they need to be treated clinically.
00:41:27.180
And I think in that context, a certain degree of understanding, uh, could be offered.
00:41:32.860
But, um, do you think there's also kind of a, a class dimension to this and the sense
00:41:38.860
of, I mean, when you see with the, the, the Epstein affair and so on, where it's, it's
00:41:47.420
not a, a, a pedophile in the sense of someone who just has this bizarre maladaptive attraction
00:41:54.960
You've got to understand which, yeah, that's quite right.
00:41:57.540
You've got to, when we say the, the, the, the word pedophile is moved, used too broadly.
00:42:01.960
So there are those that are pedophiles that are just sexually, specifically sexually attracted
00:42:11.460
Then there are those that just have a very high sex drive and want to have sex and the
00:42:15.260
psychopaths and don't care about who they hurt.
00:42:17.220
And it's almost like there's a little bit of, even if they're not, they're, they're not
00:42:22.660
like a, a pedophile in this, in this biological sense there, there's almost this frisson of
00:42:31.080
I'll, I'll do whatever is, uh, against social norms.
00:42:38.280
And, um, you know, I, I, again, so, I mean, I, I, I think some distinctions could be made.
00:42:44.740
I mean, and I, I think they're with something like cuties there, there, there, we do have
00:42:57.280
It's much greater than it was 50 or a hundred years ago.
00:43:01.160
Uh, and it, there are people when you get there and there are no social norms holding
00:43:09.300
There's almost the sense of, I can do anything.
00:43:12.040
And I have come to the top and even if I'm not a, a pedophile in the kind of clinical
00:43:19.360
sense, why not, you know, this, this just, this just demonstrates that would be, that
00:43:25.960
would be consistent with sort of psychopathic or sort of narcissistic personality and the
00:43:29.680
idea that I'll just demonstrate to myself, my own importance by just doing whatever I
00:43:36.640
And I can get away with it and I will, um, sort of, sort of, yeah, I, I suppose that could
00:43:42.040
be an element of that, that it's something thrilling for someone like Epstein or whatever
00:43:45.320
to, to know that I can, this is totally unacceptable and I can do it because I'm above everything.
00:43:53.500
You can actually see in his research interest, um, there was kind of, uh, eugenics, uh, are
00:44:00.340
there, but, but also kind of living forever and, and all sorts of things.
00:44:04.160
So, um, yeah, I mean, it's, it was almost like a, um, perversion or deformation of some
00:44:11.320
Um, but, uh, it's interesting, isn't it, that traditionally, traditionally the only people
00:44:16.840
in the English, the only person in the English language whose personal pronouns differ from
00:44:23.520
he or she is God because it's has to be capitalized.
00:44:29.180
Um, and now, and now, and now there's all these people that are saying, oh, my personal pronouns
00:44:33.400
are these, my, I have this different personal pronoun from he, she, and in the past, the
00:44:37.820
only person that had a different personal, personal pronoun from small h, he, small s, she
00:44:43.920
Um, and the, the narcissism level among these people is, is very high.
00:44:48.700
They have high levels of narcissistic personality disorder.
00:44:50.980
So it kind of makes sense, um, but yeah, I use the first person plural for, for myself.
00:45:01.660
No, just, yes, that was traditionally only the monarch that would use that.
00:45:10.340
Um, but I do, I do think that it's, it's picked up on something.
00:45:14.120
It's that, that, that, that poster is that has caused the controversy is so starkly about
00:45:19.320
that those, those, those little girls are sexualized.
00:45:23.200
Perhaps there's some people that have reacted to it negatively because I was sort of cognitive
00:45:27.200
dissonance because they're kind of aroused by it and they don't want to be aroused by
00:45:36.400
I've always, that, this is why I don't understand pedophilia.
00:45:39.980
I, I just, I, I, I, it's like, I would more likely have sex with a shoe or something than
00:45:52.820
I, I, I don't, you know, I, I think I've mentioned this on a earlier, but it's like,
00:45:56.660
if you were out at the, um, if you were out at the beach and a little, and you'll sometimes
00:46:03.860
see this where a, uh, a toddler, a little girl, they'll, they'll take off their swimsuit and
00:46:09.960
kind of, you know, I'm free basically in their mind.
00:46:13.220
Uh, cause sometimes they, you know, just, you know, don't like wearing clothes.
00:46:16.760
You kind of look at that and it's like, oh, that's so cute.
00:46:19.400
That's so funny, but there's no eroticism to it.
00:46:23.220
And, and seeing an 11 year old dance in these ways, or even some of these, um, people, and
00:46:28.780
this is actually kind of a lower class phenomenon in the United States of creating the, creating
00:46:39.060
I, I, I'm, I'm not just saying this to sound like I'm a prude, but I look at that and this
00:46:52.000
No, that's the emotions of normal heterosexuals should feel about such things.
00:46:56.280
Um, and, um, and that's, that's the adaptive emotion.
00:46:59.400
They're children and they're there to be brought up by society and looked after.
00:47:03.160
And, and, uh, and, uh, um, uh, carefully and successfully, uh, molded into adults.
00:47:11.680
And that's, that's, that's the group selected thing to do.
00:47:14.740
The individualistic thing to do, uh, and it's in extremists is, is if you're just a total
00:47:20.220
psycho is just to see everybody and everything as subject to your whims and subject to what
00:47:26.560
And if you happen to want, if you happen to feel horny at a given time and the easiest
00:47:30.760
thing to access and it is easy to access as a child, um, then that's what you'll, if
00:47:36.780
Or if you're just meant messed up and you'll set you out and you're attracted to children.
00:47:40.540
So, but so, yeah, and we've, um, and that's why if you look at these old films, if you
00:47:45.580
go back to, um, the fifties or forties or whatever, child nudity in films is, doesn't
00:48:03.920
And, um, you, you have films where you like, I remember seeing a film, it was, it was an
00:48:08.640
American remake of one of those Japanese movies, you know, those Japanese kind of movies, horror
00:48:15.280
And there's a boy that has a bath and they have him wearing his swimming trunks because
00:48:21.960
the idea of even the briefest or even implied nudity with a boy, it would be appalling, but
00:48:30.800
So you've got, you've, you've had this, uh, extraordinary reversal because of concern
00:48:35.040
about pedophilia, uh, and the concern about this tiny minority of people that would get
00:48:39.500
their rocks off over some, over, over something like that.
00:48:41.920
So, so yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a disorder.
00:48:46.680
It's appalling, uh, of course, for the children that are abused, uh, whether they are sexually
00:48:50.920
abused or whether they're put into photographs or whatever, psychologically, physically appalling
00:48:56.420
Um, it can lead to, there's evidence that can cause maladaptation in their own sexual
00:49:00.780
sexuality and that a lot of pedophiles have themselves been abused.
00:49:03.760
Um, uh, and, and so to, to, to, to normalize in any way, the sexuality of children is just
00:49:11.540
something which is a sign of a highly degenerate society.
00:49:14.320
And that's what a society that's in decline and society that's lost its way, a society that's
00:49:20.620
And that's, to have put up a poster like that, where you're clearly, um, encouraging other
00:49:29.260
And you're clearly kind of titillating people with the, it's absolutely, they've of course
00:49:33.380
withdrawn it over the furore, but, um, it's, it's happened.
00:49:37.600
They've made their little contribution to negative social epistases.
00:49:43.600
I, I'm glad we could have this, um, serious discussion about an uncomfortable topic.