RadixJournal - Les Prédateurs

00:00:00.000 It's Sunday, September 13th, 2020, and welcome back to The McSpencer Group, America's most

00:00:07.680 procrastinating podcast.

00:00:10.280 Ed Dutton is on hand for our long-awaited return.

00:00:14.000 Main topic, Les Prédateurs.

00:00:17.360 This week, the internet was set aflame with outrage over Netflix's latest release, an

00:00:22.720 award-winning French drama about young girls simply entitled Cuties, Mignon.

00:00:28.160 It struck a nerve and was the latest example of the yawning gulf between people who watch

00:00:33.960 movies and the obnoxious poseurs who write about them.

00:00:38.200 Is this film little more than child pornography, en masquerade? 0.94

00:00:42.720 Is it encouraging or normalizing the sexualization of young girls? 0.93

00:00:47.500 Or are we overreacting to what is simply a French art house outrage?

00:00:52.500 By using so many French words, am I, in fact, making it worse?

00:00:56.620 Ed and I discuss the reaction to the film and how we can better understand pedophilia

00:01:02.140 and its place in contemporary culture.

00:01:04.940 Ed, welcome back.

00:01:06.240 It's been a little while.

00:01:07.180 How are you?

00:01:09.080 I'm okay, yes.

00:01:10.360 I've just been swimming with the family to this spa where there was a wave machine, which

00:01:17.760 was very pleasant.

00:01:18.460 And because of, I guess, because of fears over Corona or whatever, there was hardly anybody

00:01:23.200 there.

00:01:24.300 So there was no competition for the sponge floats and whatever.

00:01:29.720 So it went very well.

00:01:31.940 That sounds very wholesome.

00:01:34.020 We are going to talk about something that is entirely anti-wholesome today.

00:01:41.180 Um, we'll talk about the, uh, the, this outrage over the cuties film on Netflix.

00:01:47.780 And then I, I think we'll be able to expand off into a lot of subjects that are, you know,

00:01:55.500 a bit discomforting and, uh, tricky to say the least, maybe a little disgusting, but, um,

00:02:02.180 I think they should be talked about and they need to be talked about in a adult forum like

00:02:06.460 this.

00:02:06.800 Um, so let's start with cuties because it's always good to start with something that is

00:02:12.840 immediately accessible to everyone.

00:02:14.840 I presume that everyone who is watching this or listening to this has, um, heard about the

00:02:22.280 outrage, at least over cuties.

00:02:24.080 Um, I have not seen the film.

00:02:25.920 I canceled Netflix.

00:02:27.820 I, I mean, I, I kind of get the idea of consumer boycotts are pointless.

00:02:33.600 And, um, this is just one more thing.

00:02:37.760 Uh, why am I canceling Netflix over this and not that, but, uh, nevertheless, this was a

00:02:44.000 bit too egregious.

00:02:45.940 Um, but, uh, this has been addressed by Congress.

00:02:50.020 Uh, there is, there are motions at least to, um, investigate this in some fashion.

00:02:56.160 I don't know what that will eventuate in.

00:02:58.460 Uh, this has been denounced by major figures, uh, Tulsi Gabbard, um, one of my favorite politicians.

00:03:04.900 She came out pretty hard, uh, on this subject.

00:03:07.820 It's been denounced by a lot of liberals, uh, as well, but it certainly evoked, uh, a great

00:03:13.180 deal of conservative outrage and tons of, you know, alt-right, dissonant right, uh, outrage

00:03:18.980 and so on.

00:03:19.620 I have not seen the film.

00:03:20.740 I feel a little bit bad talking about a film that I haven't seen.

00:03:23.820 It seems a bit dishonest, but I really don't want to see it.

00:03:27.000 And of course I have canceled Netflix, but I've read a few reviews and, uh, I would say

00:03:32.720 that I, I do think the film is a little more ambiguous than it's been made out to be.

00:03:39.140 I will grant it that.

00:03:40.960 Um, but nevertheless, the, the phenomenon, uh, persist.

00:03:46.600 Uh, so this all started, um, it wasn't really the film because there are some films that

00:03:52.700 take on difficult subject matter that you can get on Netflix or Amazon or iTunes or what

00:03:59.280 all these streaming services that are often lower budget films that take on, uh, difficult

00:04:04.740 subjects.

00:04:05.220 I remember seeing a, um, a trailer for a film called white girl, which was kind of about

00:04:10.540 coming of sad coming of age of lower class woman who was, you know, doing drugs and having 0.99

00:04:18.000 sex at a young age and so on.

00:04:20.260 The, the, the, the film, I mean, it was depicting it, representing it, but it was, um, seemed to

00:04:27.160 have a kind of sad quality to it.

00:04:29.480 I think the problem with cuties was right away.

00:04:33.080 Netflix was advertising this as a underage strip show.

00:04:39.320 I mean, I don't, I don't think that's wrong to say.

00:04:42.380 The initial poster, uh, was, uh, of these girls, uh, glammed out, uh, the poster did not 0.56

00:04:50.800 convey any nuance whatsoever.

00:04:53.840 It was basically, uh, preteen girls, um, acting like, uh, dancing queens at best, I guess, and 0.84

00:05:03.120 strippers at worst, maybe even, even worse than that as, as human trafficked, uh, prostitutes. 0.99

00:05:08.400 Um, and this generated outrage, Netflix apologized.

00:05:12.960 And I think the line that I've seen is that this was a botched poster or something as if

00:05:17.480 they, you know, uh, made a mistake or something.

00:05:21.300 I, I think it was quite deliberate what they were doing.

00:05:24.280 Um, and the, uh, the, the subsequent posters have been a little more tame.

00:05:30.260 Uh, but I mean, this movie is more nuanced from what I've read than that poster would imply.

00:05:38.400 As probably most all movies are.

00:05:41.260 Um, and it, it's actually about a Senegalese girl and, um, she's, you know, going through

00:05:47.640 the issues of life and having family trauma and so on.

00:05:51.580 Uh, but I also don't think it's wrong that this film is in the, you know, the, the, the

00:05:59.120 poster and the thumbnail of the film is meant to titillate.

00:06:04.240 And it's meant to get you excited about this.

00:06:08.360 You're, you don't click on it or walk into the movie theater for the, for the nuance.

00:06:13.180 You click on it and go to the movies for the titillation and sensation.

00:06:19.000 And, uh, I think that is clearly what was going on.

00:06:22.340 And even if there are more nuances, I, I, there's no question that, I mean, it's a French film.

00:06:29.100 It's French.

00:06:30.200 So this, the, the, the, the, in general, my experience of French films is that compared

00:06:35.180 to American films or British films, you know, they're inherently deep.

00:06:38.020 I mean, the, the, the French are people who can make penguins wandering around on the 1.00

00:06:43.960 ice doing penguin stuff, a profound emotional experience.

00:06:49.980 And so that's, yeah.

00:06:51.840 I think the version that I got was the original version where it's French.

00:06:57.760 It's much more profound if it's narrated in French than it's narrated by Morgan Freeman.

00:07:02.300 So I think there could be an element of sort of cultural misunderstanding there.

00:07:06.740 And also perhaps attitudes towards the sexualization of children and things like this are rather

00:07:11.700 more, uh, liberal, um, in, in, in French sort of art house drama.

00:07:16.760 Uh, if you look at other posters that they've done for this film, remember it's a Senegalese

00:07:20.540 girl, Muslim girl, and she's torn between the hyper-sexualized, uh, tween age, I suppose 0.70

00:07:27.980 you'd say, or whatever, early teenage world of her very poor Parisian friends.

00:07:33.600 Um, and the Islamic world, uh, of, of her background.

00:07:38.100 And, uh, in the end, she makes a choice to go with neither.

00:07:42.280 And, um, the, I'm sorry if I've spoiled the plot for anybody.

00:07:45.660 Uh, but that was the, what they tried to argue was that this was, uh, a critique almost.

00:07:52.080 This was a presentation of reality that the reality is that the culture is hyper-sexualizing

00:07:57.300 these, these, uh, uh, teenage girls.

00:07:59.860 I agree with that.

00:08:00.880 Um, that they are hyper-sexualizing themselves and they dress like, uh, we have this phrase 1.00

00:08:07.220 in Finland, piku horat, little whores. 1.00

00:08:10.040 And, um, they, they, they, they, they, they, they dress rather like that. 1.00

00:08:13.400 So there's highly sexualized and they've got all these sexual influences.

00:08:16.300 But on the other hand, I agree.

00:08:18.000 And there are other posters, uh, which they put up where it's these girls in normal clothes 1.00

00:08:22.880 and the sort of Parisian background and whatever.

00:08:24.820 But it seems to me, um, not too much of a stretch to think to oneself that while it

00:08:31.220 is, um, presenting that reality and it is a reality, uh, of the sexualized nature of

00:08:37.740 these teenage girls, particularly in working class districts of Paris or whatever, um, uh,

00:08:43.460 and the fact that the Muslims are going to come into contact with them and therefore it's

00:08:46.440 going to put them in an extreme sort of dissonance about how they should behave.

00:08:49.680 You are rather contributing to it if you do a poster of girls who are whatever they 0.73

00:08:56.280 are, 15, 14 years old, how old are they supposed to be?

00:08:59.560 Um, you know, looking sexy and having the sexy, sexy looks on their faces. 0.91

00:09:03.820 Um, you, you are contributing to that.

00:09:06.340 You're contributing to the very culture that you're claiming to attempt to artfully, um,

00:09:12.880 present and, uh, critique.

00:09:15.100 So I find it hard to believe that they didn't realize that, you know, we've got to get publicity

00:09:20.380 for our film.

00:09:21.280 Oh, good God, this is going to work, isn't it?

00:09:23.260 Think of all the people that are going to watch this film simply because of the furore that

00:09:27.300 has been put by this.

00:09:27.960 Yeah.

00:09:28.020 I mean, for the amount of subscribers they've lost, uh, they might very well have gained

00:09:33.960 many.

00:09:34.460 And the other aspect is that there's this, you know, there, there is a kind of a certain

00:09:40.440 kind of snobbery of, uh, upper middle-class people that, that are probably subscribed

00:09:46.860 to HBO and things like that and not just Netflix, but that, oh, I can watch this. 0.97

00:09:51.880 I can appreciate this, you know, sensation, uh, in, in a way that those, you know, uh, dumb 0.99

00:09:59.220 Christians can't. 1.00

00:10:01.360 And, uh, I think they're playing on that.

00:10:03.120 They're almost getting, getting a certain cachet.

00:10:05.580 I'm, I, I, I, they see themselves wrongly because we have research on what left-wing people

00:10:09.940 the like, and they feel the sense of moral disgust, uh, uh, with regard to those that

00:10:14.160 are different from them politically, uh, a lot more strongly than right-wing people

00:10:17.900 do.

00:10:18.200 And they feel this sense of equality very intensely and they have less emotional control,

00:10:22.380 uh, uh, than, than, uh, conservatives, but they can sort of think to themselves, yeah,

00:10:27.080 I'm, I'm above my instincts.

00:10:29.400 People have these instincts to these, these lower class people that vote for Brexit and

00:10:34.280 Trump and Marine Le Pen and whatever.

00:10:36.300 They, they, they have these base instincts to just judge this film and judge this poster

00:10:41.000 and be disgusted by it.

00:10:42.180 But I, I can see the art in this.

00:10:44.900 I can see the depth in this.

00:10:46.840 Um, we've had extreme examples of, I mean, if you, if you look at modern art, a lot of

00:10:51.380 modern art is the ultimate example of the emperor has no clothes kind of thing.

00:10:55.200 Uh, even if you go back 20 years in Britain, you had the Turner prize, which was the leading

00:10:59.940 art prize.

00:11:00.640 And it was things like Tracy Emin's unmade bed, uh, or, or it was, it was, it was, uh,

00:11:06.580 just some rubbish strewn on the floor.

00:11:08.640 I think there's another level to it.

00:11:10.500 I think it's the, I'm above my instincts and through effort for effort, full control.

00:11:15.040 I can watch this, but, uh, I, I think there's a, there's another aspect to it, which is that

00:11:20.020 if you look at white liberals in the, their lifestyle, uh, they're living in the suburbs,

00:11:28.460 they are in some cases living in urban environments.

00:11:32.220 Um, but they, uh, and, and you can certainly find them in rural environments as well, but

00:11:37.660 less so, but they are living a kind of wasp existence.

00:11:42.080 And they, you know, I think we, sometimes conservatives will, you know, allow social

00:11:48.800 media to, to inflect how they view them.

00:11:51.560 And they think that every white person voting for Biden has blue hair and is yelling at people

00:11:57.140 and screaming or protesting and throwing Molotov cocktails.

00:12:00.280 Uh, the fact is what, you're like, that's true.

00:12:04.240 No. 0.95

00:12:04.840 Um, if you actually go to these white liberal communities, they are pretty waspy. 0.65

00:12:12.380 And I think there's this almost, uh, there, there's a certain kind of pity that you look

00:12:19.200 down, you know, your pity allows you to achieve a certain degree of power.

00:12:24.000 You, you are looking down on someone and kind of thinking, well, this isn't happening to my

00:12:28.840 daughter.

00:12:29.600 And, uh, this is kind of a problem among the lower classes.

00:12:33.580 I, I was reminded of, um, something that was, uh, a kind of phenomenon from, uh, about 10

00:12:39.380 years ago or so.

00:12:40.260 And it was, uh, coincided when I was at Duke university.

00:12:44.540 So I guess it's about 15 years ago now.

00:12:46.900 Um, but there was this, uh, book that was out on hookup culture and it, they actually went

00:12:54.620 to Duke university as, you know, one of these, you know, kind of high flying places where you'll

00:12:59.700 get a job in finance afterward.

00:13:01.060 And they were talking to girls about hookup culture and what the book revealed was that

00:13:09.120 there was almost the, this cold, almost sociopathic, uh, response to what's the matter at.

00:13:17.860 No, no.

00:13:18.460 I'm just looking in more detail that, that, um, that picture.

00:13:22.640 Okay.

00:13:23.220 Uh, the cause of all the controversy.

00:13:25.120 Okay.

00:13:26.180 And if you, um, anyway, sorry, carry on.

00:13:29.060 Okay.

00:13:29.980 Uh, so there was this book on hookup culture and what it depicted was this cold, almost 0.99

00:13:37.160 sociopathic relation to sex where these girls would, you know, uh, go give a blow job, get 1.00

00:13:45.420 a little something for themselves and then kick the guy out of their dorm room, uh, at, you 0.99

00:13:51.160 know, midnight and maybe never see him again.

00:13:53.460 And it was almost this kind of like consumerist aspect to sex or it was fun.

00:13:57.960 There was actually another controversy about a year later, which was the, this girl, the 0.96

00:14:02.220 sorority was, did a PowerPoint presentation on her fuck list and was just kind of coldly 0.91

00:14:09.460 documenting what she's done and how she's risen in status. 0.98

00:14:13.380 And so it was pretty shocking just in the level of sociopathy, you could say.

00:14:18.960 Uh, but what this book, um, actually was kind of concluded was that you would have these

00:14:25.800 upper middle-class white liberals who would go to Duke that could act like this and in

00:14:31.380 a way get away with it and maybe end up married and what have you, or end up with a career. 0.94

00:14:36.380 Uh, but these same trends occurring among lower classes ended up in, uh, broken families, lots

00:14:46.220 of unplanned pregnancy, abortion, uh, drug use, and so on.

00:14:51.720 Well, I guess it's the difference between operating that strategy and not being particularly intelligent

00:14:57.340 and not having access to resources. 0.93

00:14:59.340 Um, and operating that strategy because you plan to operate it because you're coldly psychopathic

00:15:07.140 and highly intelligent and you realize you can make money out of it and you can sort of

00:15:11.060 drop it whenever you want to, and you have access to resources and the contacts to not

00:15:15.740 be, to not have to do so.

00:15:17.440 And so there's something, there's something rather different about a person who, um, you

00:15:22.420 know, has an illegitimate child because they, they're liberal and they think that marriage

00:15:27.160 is an increasingly irrelevant social construct and they don't think they need to get married

00:15:31.100 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:32.320 And they live in, I don't know, in some nice part of North London and have an illegitimate

00:15:36.580 child and whatever, that's fine.

00:15:37.880 But if a, if a person does it, uh, accidentally because out of a drunken drug fuel, you know,

00:15:43.880 gang bang, you know, then, then, then, then that's the same thing, but it's not, it's less

00:15:48.400 of a problem.

00:15:49.620 It's more of a problem.

00:15:50.240 And white liberals aren't doing what you describe.

00:15:52.980 I mean, in, in the sense of family formation and so on, this is the coming apart. 0.96

00:15:57.160 Thesis of Charles Murray, where all of these obnoxious, uh, upper bourgeois, uh, whites 1.00

00:16:03.920 actually are forming families and sending their children to private schools and so on.

00:16:09.720 And it's actually the lower classes that are, are kind of losing, uh, this, you know, supposed

00:16:16.460 conservatism, which they might actually admire more than the upper classes.

00:16:20.580 They're, they're just a lot of ironies, uh, going on, but I think there's the, it's always

00:16:25.120 the irony with the woke, the woking, the woking classes, as I call them, the working classes 1.00

00:16:29.920 as opposed to the working classes that they are, um, it's like Christians as well in the

00:16:34.620 early church.

00:16:35.280 They, they, they, they signal humility as a means of further entrenching their wealth

00:16:40.220 and further in further entrenching their, their social status and further entrenching their

00:16:44.980 lack of humility, really by signaling their humility or signaling their, uh, you know, their

00:16:50.960 their adherence to this woke culture.

00:16:53.020 And so now you do it by signaling your, rather than in the old days, you'd signal your religiousness,

00:16:57.180 your traditional values in Victorian England or whatever.

00:16:59.940 Now, of course, you signal your abhorrence of that.

00:17:02.580 You signal the degree to which you are the opposite of that.

00:17:05.240 The degree to which, you know, I don't need to get married.

00:17:07.220 I'm perfectly happy to have an illegitimate child, uh, illegitimate children or whatever.

00:17:10.840 I'm, um, perfectly happy to swear.

00:17:12.920 I'm perfectly happy to do, I'm perfectly happy with immigration.

00:17:15.520 I'm perfectly happy with sexuality.

00:17:18.040 If I get pregnant and the child has Down syndrome, I'll keep it as a way of signaling my morality

00:17:22.820 and my, you know, how, how kind of in touch I am.

00:17:25.740 And so, and it's only these working class people that would get pregnant with a Down syndrome 1.00

00:17:29.260 child and abort it. 0.99

00:17:30.780 So it's a side of my wealth that I would keep it.

00:17:33.160 And, um, and, and then you, you just get this signaling in the opposite direction.

00:17:36.860 I'm signaling my humility in all of these ways.

00:17:39.760 But in reality, of course, it helps me to cement my status.

00:17:42.680 And so you have this irony, but it's those very people that will send their kids to private

00:17:46.760 schools, or if it is to state schools, it will be what you call in America, public schools.

00:17:50.940 It will be to public schools in the nicest possible area, you know, the nicest catchment

00:17:55.840 area.

00:17:56.360 So they can then signal their virtue by saying, oh, well, no, I haven't sent my kids to private

00:18:00.120 school.

00:18:00.600 No, no.

00:18:01.300 Oh, no, no.

00:18:01.780 I'm not.

00:18:02.120 But, but, but look, public school, but of course it's a public school in some wonderful

00:18:05.680 area like that.

00:18:08.040 There's not a huge difference between public and private, but, but also it, it, this seems

00:18:12.660 to come to a degree from a meritocratic society, an individualist society where in other,

00:18:19.420 and I don't think I'm being entirely nostalgic and saying this in other times, the upper classes

00:18:24.940 felt like they are a guardian class of the lower orders and they would have a realistic

00:18:30.760 assessment of the lower orders, but they would seek to take care of them in America where

00:18:36.740 you can be whatever you want to be.

00:18:39.260 And it's supposedly meritocratic and individualist, and it's all about accumulating wealth or so

00:18:45.360 on. 0.94

00:18:45.660 Then it's just kind of like, well, uh, screw them. 0.97

00:18:48.260 They aren't clever enough to be, to achieve my type of lifestyle. 0.89

00:18:53.020 And you can, again, have pity for them in the sense that you are looking down on them.

00:18:57.800 Uh, didn't you have that paternalism in the South to some extent?

00:19:03.280 Uh, yeah.

00:19:04.800 I mean, are you talking about like the old South or?

00:19:07.000 Yeah, the out-to-belling South.

00:19:08.440 You have that kind of paternalistic attitude.

00:19:10.520 Of course.

00:19:11.140 I mean, the, the dominant, you know, as, as, uh, the role Jordan role book shows the Junovese

00:19:16.800 Day book, the, the dominant emotion between slave owner and slave was love.

00:19:21.980 In fact, it was a, a paternalistic, uh, love that they are, they, they aren't doing this

00:19:27.900 just as an economic system, that this is actually a moral system.

00:19:31.180 Some even Yankees picked up on that.

00:19:33.300 Yeah.

00:19:33.480 I mean, in England, they were certainly at the public schools.

00:19:36.380 They were very, what we call public schools, these prestigious boarding schools and the prep

00:19:40.280 schools.

00:19:40.820 They were heavily inculcated with this noblesse oblige kind of Spartan lifestyle.

00:19:44.900 In fact, they would, they were deliberately and willfully modeled on the teachings of

00:19:49.820 Plato and, and Plato argued that the, the aristocracy should never know their parents

00:19:54.400 kind of thing, uh, that the, the, the bond with the parents should be broken such that

00:19:58.200 the, the, the no, the nobles are there to, um, to look after society and to act in the

00:20:03.620 best interests of society and to fight for society and to, to look after the lower orders. 0.99

00:20:08.060 And that's, that's, that's the quid pro quo they pay for their privilege.

00:20:11.540 And therefore, as part of their privilege, they must be inculcated with 0.96

00:20:14.840 these group selected values through a sort of system of, of, uh, of, of kindly meant

00:20:20.760 structured violence, basically.

00:20:22.680 Uh, and that was, that was kind of what the, the, the system did.

00:20:25.540 And those were the kinds of people until really quite recently.

00:20:27.820 I mean, as recently as the late, uh, early eighties, the foreign secretary in England.

00:20:32.240 So the second or third most powerful man in, in England was a hereditary peer.

00:20:36.500 He'd never been a member of parliament.

00:20:37.640 He was a hereditary peer, nor character.

00:20:39.060 And you had various other people, William Whitelaw, who was Mrs. Thatcher's home secretary,

00:20:42.980 uh, lots and lots of others that were gentry, that were part of this upper class tradition.

00:20:47.200 And it's only with new labor that that really falls apart.

00:20:50.500 And you just get, as you say, these upper middle class people that haven't been to public school.

00:20:54.780 They've been to a lot of them to private, to stay private schools or state schools.

00:20:58.360 And they, as far as they're concerned, they have much more kind of Mrs. Thatcher's kind

00:21:01.300 of attitude, I suppose, really without the gentry to hold her back, which is that you should 1.00

00:21:05.120 work hard and get to the top.

00:21:06.320 And everyone can do that.

00:21:07.340 If you don't do it, you're lazy.

00:21:09.440 And so you kind of, you, you, which is insane because the, the genetics of, of these traits,

00:21:15.100 such as intelligence and personality that predict getting to the top are very high.

00:21:19.100 Right.

00:21:19.540 And so 0.8 for intelligence, 0.5 was more for personality.

00:21:23.680 So you can see how this, uh, would, uh, would happen.

00:21:26.600 Um, and then you would, of course, as Charles Murray argues in, uh, the bell curve, uh, you,

00:21:31.620 you get this increasing social stratification because of meritocracy, whereby,

00:21:36.320 why people increasingly just don't know or have anything to do with people of lower social

00:21:40.620 classes, let alone regard them as people they should look after or care about.

00:21:45.040 Right.

00:21:45.480 Um, and so, and so you get this, um, increasing polarization.

00:21:50.000 Though I do think.

00:21:50.820 Well, I'm just going to mention that many people in our movement will say things like, well,

00:21:55.260 race, uh, when we deconstructed race, that began the downfall of Western civilization and so on. 0.66

00:22:01.300 Uh, I mean, and, and, and if we can just get real about race, that this will be the upfall

00:22:06.960 of, uh, Western civilization, I would, um, interject that it was class deconstruction that

00:22:14.140 started it all.

00:22:15.080 And I don't think that we can save Europe writ large, uh, without a kind of class reconstruction. 0.93

00:22:24.280 And I don't mean that in the sense of, you know, oh, wealth inequality is great and we

00:22:29.680 should have these billionaires.

00:22:30.760 Um, but there, there, there needs to be a paternalistic guardian class in any type of

00:22:38.240 society that can deal with these things realistically.

00:22:41.840 And these meritocratic sociopathic elites are just as much of a problem.

00:22:49.180 I think, I think a lot more of the problem, uh, than say, you know, illegal immigrants or 0.92

00:22:55.000 something.

00:22:55.960 Um, so just to add that in there.

00:22:59.480 So John Glove argued in his book on the decline of civilizations, he noticed that always during

00:23:04.740 the early winter of civilization, as the civilization starts to be noticeably in decline and becomes

00:23:09.140 polarized and whatever, you always get the same process.

00:23:12.320 You always get them because of the collapse of religiousness and the collapse of patriarchy.

00:23:16.020 You always get the rise of women. 1.00

00:23:17.540 You always get immigration because people don't have believe in a God anymore that sees them 1.00

00:23:21.360 as special.

00:23:21.900 And so they let foreigners in.

00:23:22.940 And also you always get everything being about money and nothing higher than money because, 0.99

00:23:29.020 because for these kinds of whores that you were talking about, that recount the number 1.00

00:23:32.100 of blowjobs they give or whatever, there, there, there, there, there is nothing for them 1.00

00:23:35.660 higher than they have no dignity. 1.00

00:23:36.920 They have no self-respect.

00:23:37.960 They have no higher values.

00:23:39.280 They have no transcendental values that say that certain things are just appalling and

00:23:43.100 beyond the pale for, for like eternal, eternal.

00:23:45.840 Right.

00:23:45.940 They do have self-respect.

00:23:47.500 I would say that they actually respect themselves quite a bit.

00:23:51.380 Oh, in a narcissistic way.

00:23:53.600 They deeply love themselves in a kind of narcissistic way.

00:23:57.260 They do it.

00:23:57.600 That is true.

00:23:59.180 But they, but they, but they have no eternal sort of values and consequently, they, everything's

00:24:03.160 about money and therefore they can do things that disgust them.

00:24:05.420 And the other thing that you, that you find in the, uh, in this glove argues in this fall

00:24:10.480 of civilization in this winter stage is that all the old values are questioned.

00:24:14.400 All the old values are questioned.

00:24:17.020 Um, and so not just aristocracy is questioned, which undermines the paternalistic class.

00:24:21.880 Everything becomes middle class.

00:24:23.040 Everything becomes about money.

00:24:24.500 Religion is questioned. 0.86

00:24:25.300 So there's no eternal values, no, no, no patriarchal values, no, uh, sense of ethnocentrism, nothing

00:24:31.120 to fight for, a feeling that everything's just kind of run out.

00:24:34.220 Um, but I, and then we go, we've gone further than this.

00:24:37.260 You start questioning every sort of structure, every sort of difference.

00:24:40.940 And it creates a kind of a, an arms race of questioning in order to be more questioning

00:24:45.560 and thus supposedly more intelligent, intellectual than the next man.

00:24:48.620 There's middle class questioning of things, questioning of gender roles, questioning now of sexuality

00:24:53.440 and sexual orientation, questioning of, of the nature of male and female, um, and, and this

00:24:59.320 push towards equality that you get in that stage of civilization.

00:25:02.280 So it's been built up because the civilization is about hierarchy.

00:25:06.220 It's group selected.

00:25:07.020 It's a binding values of, of, of hierarchy and in-group loyalty.

00:25:12.840 These are binding values where you sacrifice the good of the individual for the hierarchical

00:25:17.940 structure that is necessary to have an ordered society that can compete with other societies

00:25:21.820 and that can produce things and whatever. 0.82

00:25:24.040 Um, and, uh, you have this in-group loyalty and that you, therefore you make sacrifices

00:25:28.380 for the society.

00:25:29.360 What you see at the decadent stage when everyone's really, really rich and whatever is the decline,

00:25:34.420 uh, because these values are upheld by religiousness.

00:25:37.620 Once the religion declines, you get these individualistic values of everything is about 0.81

00:25:42.100 harm avoidance and no harm and don't hurt me and, you know, um, and, and about equality

00:25:47.080 and questioning everything in the direction of equality.

00:25:49.540 And that's what we see here that this highlights, you question everything, you question sexuality,

00:25:53.920 you question gender, eventually everyone's equal, people that are gay and straight are

00:25:58.000 equal, people that are different races are equal, men and women are equal.

00:26:01.440 And eventually, well, what about children and grownups and the most fundamental evolutionary

00:26:08.400 thing, which is that parents are there to raise their children and raise them frankly in a group

00:26:16.000 selected adaptive way.

00:26:17.540 Cause that's the traditional way that children are raised in part of a religion part of the

00:26:21.380 good of the group, um, becomes no childhood should be about having a nice time and lots of lovely

00:26:27.500 life experiences, which leaves you unprepared for competing in a society where, where you,

00:26:34.000 you know, these group values help you to compete.

00:26:36.800 Um, uh, uh, and even worse that, Oh, well, I'm, I don't want to judge my child.

00:26:42.980 I don't want to tell my child what to do.

00:26:44.260 I don't, I, my child's an individual and I'm an individual.

00:26:46.580 And so you have this abnegation of responsibility to look after the child.

00:26:50.580 It's almost like the child and the adult child, the parent are no different.

00:26:54.260 They're equal.

00:26:55.100 They're equal.

00:26:55.700 And then you, if the child wants, will imitate the adult to the extent of this sexualized 0.86

00:27:01.480 poster, where you have this black girl on her hands and knees, like a, it was a doggy 1.00

00:27:05.860 style asking for asking to be penetrated, which is the poster. 0.96

00:27:10.040 Um, then, and that is part of this, this questioning of everything.

00:27:14.340 This is negative social epistasis in action.

00:27:17.960 Um, and, and, and the case of that boy whose mother in America, whose mother allowed him to

00:27:23.320 dance on stage at gay nightclubs and gay men were saying, well, giving him money. 0.98

00:27:29.480 And then pedophiles online were saying they'd like to have sex with him. 0.99

00:27:32.200 Um, because she had abnegated all responsibility for his interests and just let him do whatever 0.88

00:27:37.640 he liked and indeed encouraged him to do, to, to, to do these, these unusual peculiar things.

00:27:44.200 Whereas as a responsible mother would say, okay, the son's going through a bit of a weird

00:27:47.360 phase.

00:27:47.980 Let's let's direct him in the right direction.

00:27:50.740 But no, none of that.

00:27:51.920 Um, and then eventually you get a point where once all of this is questioned, pedophilia starts

00:27:57.940 to become something.

00:27:58.800 Something, well, look, I, I, I, everyone is in favor of these excluded groups. 0.99

00:28:04.220 It's pride, weak, gay pride. 1.00

00:28:05.800 But what about these poor old pedophiles? 1.00

00:28:08.140 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:08.320 Isn't it just a sexual orientation?

00:28:10.860 Yeah.

00:28:11.200 Let's go there.

00:28:12.700 Uh, so, uh, first off, let me mention this.

00:28:16.420 I, I don't think the fact that, uh, the, the cutie's protagonist is Senegalese is, um,

00:28:25.620 just a, a, a, you know, a dispensable aspect of this thing.

00:28:30.520 I, I, I do think that a lot of this functions on, uh, upper-class white liberals looking down

00:28:36.160 on immigrants and kind of not caring about them.

00:28:38.900 Just, I should mention that, but, uh, let's, uh, not so much with the, um, you know, tween,

00:28:46.940 uh, tranny boy who was, who was white and had Antifa parents apparently. 0.73

00:28:51.660 Uh, but let's, let's go there in terms of this notion that the car has no brakes.

00:28:59.460 And, um, I can, you know, I, I was born in 1978.

00:29:03.200 I can remember the gay rights movements of the eighties and nineties.

00:29:09.480 I can remember that within the context of the AIDS, uh, epidemic.

00:29:13.940 Uh, and I can remember, you know, homosexuals kind of gradually finding their way into culture. 1.00

00:29:21.660 They were, they were viewed.

00:29:22.580 And I think they did this, um, you know, to a large degree, but kind of in a way neutralizing

00:29:28.760 themselves and having presenting themselves not as a major threat.

00:29:34.000 There was a, there, there were kind of, you know, there was the AIDS crisis, which is,

00:29:37.300 you know, kind of terrifying in some ways.

00:29:40.020 Um, then there was the, you know, activist homosexual kind of from the seventies of, you 0.78

00:29:46.480 know, we demand our rights.

00:29:47.800 We're going to go out in the streets. 0.95

00:29:49.060 We're going to maybe even have a bit of a gay riot, so to speak. 1.00

00:29:52.940 Uh, and then there was kind of the move in the nineties and two thousands of the kind 0.99

00:29:58.920 of fun, amusing, cute gay, who is humorous and is your hairdresser and friends with your

00:30:06.200 girlfriend or, or what have you. 0.90

00:30:07.760 That was actually much more successful in terms of, um, neutralizing homosexuals and making 1.00

00:30:14.400 people accept them, uh, gay marriage, I think was a, a kind of, I think the Andrew Sullivan 0.58

00:30:19.520 type tactic of saying we're almost normal and we're just like you bourgeois people who

00:30:26.380 want to get married and have a mortgage was also a very successful strategy, uh, for gays 0.99

00:30:32.500 being, uh, accepted.

00:30:34.200 But I, I can remember in about 2013, uh, when gay marriage had effectively been accepted across

00:30:42.880 the board, uh, Barack Obama, who opposed gay marriage in 2008, uh, endorsed it and, and

00:30:48.600 kind of, you know, signaled about that.

00:30:50.520 Most States had it.

00:30:52.080 Um, uh, I think Tim Cook, who was the CEO of Apple computer, which is a multi multi-billion

00:30:57.580 dollar company came out.

00:31:00.280 Uh, and it was just almost a, you know, we've won moment where this is so mainstream.

00:31:06.720 Now you can't even really, you know, it's not even a thing.

00:31:10.400 It's not even a controversy at this point.

00:31:13.140 And many, you could see, you know, national review, the conservative case for gay marriage

00:31:17.340 and all this kind of stuff.

00:31:18.560 And I remember thinking at the time, well, okay, I guess this is now over and we can move

00:31:23.260 on to more serious things.

00:31:24.800 But of course I was wrong.

00:31:26.720 It's never over.

00:31:28.040 And within a year, uh, who popped up on the radar screen, but Caitlyn Jenner and the, we

00:31:36.340 went to transsexuals and within a couple of years after Caitlyn Jenner, which you could 0.88

00:31:42.660 say is an oddity and, you know, idiosyncratic novelty, uh, we went to trans children and that 0.59

00:31:51.840 was promoted in the mainstream, uh, by, uh, 2018 or 2019.

00:31:57.580 Um, there was a, um, presidential, uh, democratic presidential gay, lesbian, queer, uh, forum on

00:32:08.060 CNN in which most of the candidates were effectively endorsing, uh, conversion therapy for children.

00:32:16.460 There was actually a, uh, notorious and, and really shocking scene in which, you know, Elizabeth

00:32:22.200 Warren, this just, you know, tedious, uh, you know, daughter of Puritans going the way 1.00

00:32:30.400 that she does talking with his other just tedious, uh, you know, overweight woman who is, they're 1.00

00:32:37.100 bragging about her child being, you know, uh, a transsexual and they're going through therapy. 0.95

00:32:42.340 Of a child going through, a child going through a phase as all children do phases of various

00:32:48.640 Of course they do.

00:32:49.360 Yeah.

00:32:49.820 And the parents should direct the children, um, in a, an adaptive direction rather than just

00:32:55.900 listen to them.

00:32:56.960 But if I listened to my son and just let him do what he wanted, he'd be on the computer

00:33:00.020 all day, every day.

00:33:01.280 Right.

00:33:02.060 Um, and also going through puberty, they don't understand what sex is.

00:33:06.620 They're, they're going to kind of be weird and, you know, you just have to accept that.

00:33:12.080 And kind of accept it, you know, but then also direct them in a, in a positive direction,

00:33:19.220 but, but also understand that, you know, look, being a kid, you, you're, you're learning all

00:33:24.880 that.

00:33:24.960 You don't understand things.

00:33:25.980 You're learning your hormones are changing.

00:33:28.160 I mean, it's, it's, it's a difficult time, but to, you know, a kid who's a boy who says,

00:33:34.260 Oh, I want to dress up as a girl.

00:33:35.820 Uh, and then you say, Oh, good. 0.98

00:33:37.780 Let's castrate him immediately and, and change him to a girl. 1.00

00:33:42.280 Um, yeah, I can remember, I had an older sister who was five years older than I, and her friends 0.76

00:33:47.080 would always dress me up like a girl whenever they would come over.

00:33:50.680 Uh, but there was no, which was, I look back as like a form of amusing hazing or something

00:33:56.760 on, on behalf of my older sister, but it is not important.

00:34:02.620 And the, the notion that that said something significant about my inner identity is absurd.

00:34:09.040 And so, yeah, I just, I used to dress my dog up in human clothes, but there was no, no

00:34:15.740 question for me becoming a trans species.

00:34:19.000 Um, but the thing, the thing, the thing that's interesting about it is that in the seventies,

00:34:23.720 when there was this general free for all, particularly in the UK, you had the pedophile

00:34:28.400 information network, it was called, which was this pedophile advocacy group.

00:34:32.260 And it was advocating for pedophilia.

00:34:34.860 It was advocating for the age of sexual consent to be reduced to three or something.

00:34:39.040 Um, and it, and it, and it attached itself to, uh, the civil liberties, this pro civil

00:34:44.660 liberties group that were pro gays.

00:34:46.720 Um, and it was kind of, to some extent accepted among this group.

00:34:51.220 And then eventually there was a public backlash against it.

00:34:54.000 Like we we've gone too far that those, the right, despite for me types that want to destroy 0.94

00:34:58.580 society and completely undermine everything and just embrace the void and embrace chaos.

00:35:03.460 We've gone too far.

00:35:04.980 Let's reign it back.

00:35:06.160 Um, so pedophilia was reigned back.

00:35:09.100 Um, and there was this kind of transference that as homosexuality was increasingly promoted

00:35:14.840 as acceptable and okay, pedophilia was increasingly the thing that, no, that's out. 0.78

00:35:19.700 That's, that's awful.

00:35:21.060 And we're seeing that now. 0.99

00:35:22.320 Yeah, because we, you see even liberals talking about this is cuties is promoting sex, sex 0.98

00:35:29.220 trafficking.

00:35:30.000 I mean, I think they know it's, it's gone too far too soon and it undermines what they're

00:35:35.060 doing, but where we've gone is so far.

00:35:38.420 Like, yeah, this is like, this is like a hundred steps forward.

00:35:42.440 One step back.

00:35:43.340 Like, I mean, basically, exactly, exactly.

00:35:45.780 If you look at places like Iran or whatever, the Shah, he liberalizes society.

00:35:50.400 He makes it all Western.

00:35:51.620 He went too far too soon.

00:35:53.280 And the consequence of that was a huge backlash on the establishment of the Islamic state.

00:35:57.920 It's like the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:35:59.420 Um, and so you, you can't go, that's what they've got to be careful about.

00:36:02.160 If you go too far, you get a backlash and that's a problem for these people.

00:36:05.040 They, the, the idea is to, to, um, to slowly, uh, get you used to it.

00:36:10.860 So get you, get you used to, yeah, gays is fine. 1.00

00:36:13.420 Get you used to transsexuality. 1.00

00:36:15.580 You don't go too far.

00:36:17.100 And so these people are now, now, here we go.

00:36:19.660 40 years after Pi.

00:36:21.580 Now in Britain, we have these people that call themselves maps, minor attracted persons.

00:36:27.240 And they've got their own flag, like a gay pride flag.

00:36:30.400 And they've got, and they've got their own, you know, they're slowly sort of putting it

00:36:34.340 out there.

00:36:35.080 And there's a, there's a psychologist called Stephen Harper at Nottingham Trent University,

00:36:38.880 who's, he told a newspaper, um, I think that the map community is essential.

00:36:42.940 We know that people are minor, who are minor attracted, face a lot of stigma in society.

00:36:47.620 We know that a lot of them don't commit any offenses at all.

00:36:50.400 So actually having the community where they can support each other and their mental health

00:36:53.440 gives them a sense of identity.

00:36:55.180 And Harper added, as a heterosexual male, it doesn't mean because I see a female in the street,

00:36:59.100 I'm automatically going to commit an offense.

00:37:00.960 It's a common misconception that minor attracted people have no self-control.

00:37:04.000 They have the same level of self-control as anyone else.

00:37:07.440 Well, okay.

00:37:09.400 This is one of those things where I, I agree.

00:37:13.560 Like, I mean, I, I think this needs to be snuffed out.

00:37:17.540 Like you, you can't open up that door.

00:37:20.360 Uh, however, I, I, I mean, I would say this just to be entirely objective about this matter.

00:37:27.540 I do think that I, I don't, I don't think that a, a pedophile is, I don't know what to

00:37:34.660 say.

00:37:35.020 You know, he, he, he's, he's, he's indulging in sin or he's been, he's been changed by society. 0.77

00:37:40.180 I, I would imagine that a pedophile does have a serious mental disorder that, and maybe even

00:37:46.860 a genetically defined one and he should be treated clinically.

00:37:50.260 Uh, but I, I agree there, there's this problem with, with objectivity where, you know, again,

00:37:57.280 a, um, objectivity does not mean endorsement or, or acceptance.

00:38:01.340 So I, I think we can talk about these very discomforting matters.

00:38:06.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:07.420 I had this, do that, uh, that paper I did.

00:38:10.580 What they're doing when Slate Magazine writes some article on, you know, how pedophiles, it's

00:38:16.480 not their fault or whatever.

00:38:17.600 I know what they're doing, but at the same time, at some level, it isn't their fault.

00:38:22.060 I think they are, um, incurable.

00:38:25.760 Sexual orientation, um, develops maladaptively.

00:38:29.340 It has to go through a series of phases to become, uh, heterosexuality.

00:38:34.640 This is a consequence of genes.

00:38:36.340 This is a consequence of things happening in utero, um, problems with mother and her hormones 1.00

00:38:41.740 and whatever.

00:38:42.840 Um, uh, and so, uh, that's, uh, that's certainly true that, that, that, that's, uh, pedophilia,

00:38:48.500 uh, correlates with all kinds of other markers of developmental instability, such as, uh, uh, asymmetrical

00:38:55.440 face, minor physical abnormalities, uh, all, all kinds of things like that.

00:39:00.040 So it's, it's a consequence.

00:39:01.300 There's nothing adaptive about wanting to have sex with children.

00:39:04.420 Uh, hemophilia is a slightly different thing, but there's nothing adaptive about wanting 0.56

00:39:07.700 to have sex. 0.73

00:39:08.180 It, it, it correlates, it correlates with, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, mood, mood disorders.

00:39:13.340 66% have mood disorders.

00:39:14.980 25% have obsessive compulsive disorder and personality disorders of various kinds.

00:39:19.340 Uh, 61% have borderline personality disorders or the sense of the self hasn't developed properly.

00:39:25.420 Um, so yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not their fault, but they're basically people that

00:39:29.900 for those, due to those different sets of circumstances are seriously ill, uh, mentally

00:39:34.660 ill, often physically ill as well, because it correlates with lots and lots of physical

00:39:38.160 problems.

00:39:39.060 Um, and so to promote it as, uh, uh, on a par with, uh, homosexuality, particularly when, 0.59

00:39:47.120 as I've said, there's some evidence that homosexuality could even be group selected, um, uh, doesn't

00:39:52.460 make much sense to me.

00:39:53.320 I suppose, uh, it could be argued that there could be a group selected dimension to it in

00:40:00.820 so much as these people are attracted to children, therefore want to work with children and be

00:40:04.680 teachers and things.

00:40:05.480 And as long as they are absolutely forbidden to act on it, well, there's something like

00:40:09.340 that, but that seems to me improbable, but you consider all of the, uh, uh, negative,

00:40:15.100 uh, genetic costs.

00:40:17.640 So, yeah, there, there's plenty of non-criminals who want to coach soccer.

00:40:23.800 I mean, I don't think we need to accept it on that basis.

00:40:30.320 Yes.

00:40:31.000 So I think, I think it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a matter of the salami tactics, 1.00

00:40:35.660 a matter of preparing society and going too far.

00:40:39.220 Like in Britain with the wokeness, they decided to, the BBC decided not to play, uh, Royal 0.99

00:40:46.000 Britannia, uh, the last night of the proms, which is famous patriotic thing, the last night

00:40:50.940 of the proms.

00:40:51.420 And it was realized fairly quickly that they've gone too far.

00:40:55.460 This is causing a backlash.

00:40:56.700 It's causing too much of a backlash.

00:40:58.380 We should be banning the British national anthems, you know, 30 years from now, not now.

00:41:03.020 We've gone too far.

00:41:04.880 Right.

00:41:04.980 And so they've gone backwards and that was, that was, I think what happened with, um,

00:41:09.540 pedophilia in the seventies.

00:41:11.400 Do you think there's, there's also kind of a, a class dimension?

00:41:14.640 I mean, I, I, I, I, again, I, I think that, I think that pedophiles need to be, uh, obviously

00:41:22.060 crime that needs to be criminalized, but they, they, they need to be treated clinically.

00:41:27.180 And I think in that context, a certain degree of understanding, uh, could be offered.

00:41:32.860 But, um, do you think there's also kind of a, a class dimension to this and the sense

00:41:38.860 of, I mean, when you see with the, the, the Epstein affair and so on, where it's, it's

00:41:47.420 not a, a, a pedophile in the sense of someone who just has this bizarre maladaptive attraction

00:41:54.280 to children.

00:41:54.960 You've got to understand which, yeah, that's quite right.

00:41:57.540 You've got to, when we say the, the, the, the word pedophile is moved, used too broadly.

00:42:01.960 So there are those that are pedophiles that are just sexually, specifically sexually attracted

00:42:07.200 to children. 0.99

00:42:07.780 It's a fetish, a sexual fetish. 0.98

00:42:09.400 Right. 0.69

00:42:09.620 There are various things that have gone wrong. 0.61

00:42:11.460 Then there are those that just have a very high sex drive and want to have sex and the 0.94

00:42:15.260 psychopaths and don't care about who they hurt. 0.70

00:42:17.220 And it's almost like there's a little bit of, even if they're not, they're, they're not

00:42:22.660 like a, a pedophile in this, in this biological sense there, there's almost this frisson of

00:42:28.980 like, like, I'll just, I'll go there.

00:42:31.080 I'll, I'll do whatever is, uh, against social norms.

00:42:35.940 I, I'm just, uh, above it all.

00:42:38.280 And, um, you know, I, I, again, so, I mean, I, I, I think some distinctions could be made.

00:42:44.740 I mean, and I, I think they're with something like cuties there, there, there, we do have

00:42:51.700 an elite in Western societies.

00:42:54.760 The wealth and equality is tremendous.

00:42:57.280 It's much greater than it was 50 or a hundred years ago.

00:43:01.160 Uh, and it, there are people when you get there and there are no social norms holding

00:43:08.640 you back.

00:43:09.300 There's almost the sense of, I can do anything.

00:43:12.040 And I have come to the top and even if I'm not a, a pedophile in the kind of clinical

00:43:19.360 sense, why not, you know, this, this just, this just demonstrates that would be, that

00:43:25.960 would be consistent with sort of psychopathic or sort of narcissistic personality and the

00:43:29.680 idea that I'll just demonstrate to myself, my own importance by just doing whatever I

00:43:34.800 like just to see if I can get away with it.

00:43:36.640 And I can get away with it and I will, um, sort of, sort of, yeah, I, I suppose that could

00:43:42.040 be an element of that, that it's something thrilling for someone like Epstein or whatever

00:43:45.320 to, to know that I can, this is totally unacceptable and I can do it because I'm above everything.

00:43:50.220 I'm like God.

00:43:51.480 Yes.

00:43:51.840 And he wanted to be God.

00:43:53.500 You can actually see in his research interest, um, there was kind of, uh, eugenics, uh, are

00:44:00.340 there, but, but also kind of living forever and, and all sorts of things.

00:44:04.160 So, um, yeah, I mean, it's, it was almost like a, um, perversion or deformation of some

00:44:10.220 of the things that we discuss.

00:44:11.320 Um, but, uh, it's interesting, isn't it, that traditionally, traditionally the only people

00:44:16.840 in the English, the only person in the English language whose personal pronouns differ from

00:44:23.520 he or she is God because it's has to be capitalized.

00:44:28.340 Hmm.

00:44:29.180 Um, and now, and now, and now there's all these people that are saying, oh, my personal pronouns

00:44:33.400 are these, my, I have this different personal pronoun from he, she, and in the past, the

00:44:37.820 only person that had a different personal, personal pronoun from small h, he, small s, she

00:44:42.520 was God.

00:44:43.920 Um, and the, the narcissism level among these people is, is very high.

00:44:48.700 They have high levels of narcissistic personality disorder.

00:44:50.980 So it kind of makes sense, um, but yeah, I use the first person plural for, for myself.

00:44:58.480 Uh, we use that.

00:45:01.660 No, just, yes, that was traditionally only the monarch that would use that.

00:45:08.180 Exactly.

00:45:08.800 Yeah.

00:45:10.340 Um, but I do, I do think that it's, it's picked up on something.

00:45:14.120 It's that, that, that, that poster is that has caused the controversy is so starkly about

00:45:19.320 that those, those, those little girls are sexualized. 1.00

00:45:23.200 Perhaps there's some people that have reacted to it negatively because I was sort of cognitive

00:45:27.200 dissonance because they're kind of aroused by it and they don't want to be aroused by

00:45:30.700 it and it makes them angry.

00:45:32.400 Um, and, um, I see it as real.

00:45:36.400 I've always, that, this is why I don't understand pedophilia. 0.79

00:45:39.980 I, I just, I, I, I, it's like, I would more likely have sex with a shoe or something than

00:45:49.140 it just, there's, it just doesn't make sense.

00:45:52.820 I, I, I don't, you know, I, I think I've mentioned this on a earlier, but it's like,

00:45:56.660 if you were out at the, um, if you were out at the beach and a little, and you'll sometimes

00:46:03.860 see this where a, uh, a toddler, a little girl, they'll, they'll take off their swimsuit and

00:46:09.960 kind of, you know, I'm free basically in their mind.

00:46:13.220 Uh, cause sometimes they, you know, just, you know, don't like wearing clothes.

00:46:16.760 You kind of look at that and it's like, oh, that's so cute.

00:46:19.400 That's so funny, but there's no eroticism to it.

00:46:23.220 And, and seeing an 11 year old dance in these ways, or even some of these, um, people, and

00:46:28.780 this is actually kind of a lower class phenomenon in the United States of creating the, creating 0.91

00:46:33.160 these princess pageants and so on.

00:46:36.480 The, the, uh, John Bidet Ramsey kind of thing.

00:46:39.060 I, I, I'm, I'm not just saying this to sound like I'm a prude, but I look at that and this

00:46:43.960 is sad or bizarre.

00:46:46.100 Those are the emotions or I would use it.

00:46:49.100 The erotic is not one of them.

00:46:52.000 No, that's the emotions of normal heterosexuals should feel about such things.

00:46:56.280 Um, and, um, and that's, that's the adaptive emotion.

00:46:59.400 They're children and they're there to be brought up by society and looked after.

00:47:03.160 And, and, uh, and, uh, um, uh, carefully and successfully, uh, molded into adults.

00:47:11.680 And that's, that's, that's the group selected thing to do.

00:47:14.740 The individualistic thing to do, uh, and it's in extremists is, is if you're just a total

00:47:20.220 psycho is just to see everybody and everything as subject to your whims and subject to what

00:47:26.040 you want.

00:47:26.560 And if you happen to want, if you happen to feel horny at a given time and the easiest

00:47:30.760 thing to access and it is easy to access as a child, um, then that's what you'll, if

00:47:35.620 you're, that's what you'll go for.

00:47:36.780 Or if you're just meant messed up and you'll set you out and you're attracted to children.

00:47:40.540 So, but so, yeah, and we've, um, and that's why if you look at these old films, if you

00:47:45.580 go back to, um, the fifties or forties or whatever, child nudity in films is, doesn't

00:47:54.400 mean anything.

00:47:54.840 It's fine.

00:47:55.600 It's commonplace.

00:47:56.360 It's not a problem at all.

00:47:57.700 Adult nudity, absolutely a problem.

00:47:59.980 And now this has been reversed.

00:48:01.840 Adult nudity is perfectly normal in films.

00:48:03.920 And, um, you, you have films where you like, I remember seeing a film, it was, it was an

00:48:08.640 American remake of one of those Japanese movies, you know, those Japanese kind of movies, horror

00:48:14.360 movie type things.

00:48:15.280 And there's a boy that has a bath and they have him wearing his swimming trunks because

00:48:21.960 the idea of even the briefest or even implied nudity with a boy, it would be appalling, but

00:48:28.900 nudity of an adult is perfectly fine.

00:48:30.800 So you've got, you've, you've had this, uh, extraordinary reversal because of concern

00:48:35.040 about pedophilia, uh, and the concern about this tiny minority of people that would get

00:48:39.500 their rocks off over some, over, over something like that.

00:48:41.920 So, so yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a disorder.

00:48:45.440 It's a serious disorder.

00:48:46.680 It's appalling, uh, of course, for the children that are abused, uh, whether they are sexually

00:48:50.920 abused or whether they're put into photographs or whatever, psychologically, physically appalling

00:48:55.660 for them.

00:48:56.420 Um, it can lead to, there's evidence that can cause maladaptation in their own sexual

00:49:00.780 sexuality and that a lot of pedophiles have themselves been abused.

00:49:03.760 Um, uh, and, and so to, to, to, to normalize in any way, the sexuality of children is just

00:49:11.540 something which is a sign of a highly degenerate society.

00:49:14.320 And that's what a society that's in decline and society that's lost its way, a society that's

00:49:18.820 lost its values, its group values.

00:49:20.620 And that's, to have put up a poster like that, where you're clearly, um, encouraging other

00:49:26.580 children who will see that, think that's okay.

00:49:29.260 And you're clearly kind of titillating people with the, it's absolutely, they've of course

00:49:33.380 withdrawn it over the furore, but, um, it's, it's happened.

00:49:37.180 They've done it.

00:49:37.600 They've made their little contribution to negative social epistases.

00:49:40.420 Well, let's leave it at that.

00:49:43.600 I, I'm glad we could have this, um, serious discussion about an uncomfortable topic.

00:49:48.820 Uh, Ed, thanks.

00:49:51.840 Thank you.

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