The McSpencer Group breaks down the latest Supreme Court ruling on a Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the presidential election. Plus, a look at why Trump supporters are so obsessed with the idea that the election was a total sham.
00:00:23.500The Kraken has been released, but instead of resembling a mythological beast from the Age of Titans, it amounted to a series of frivolous lawsuits based on absurd argumentation and easily refutable statistical analysis, all but one of which were swiftly tossed out of court.
00:00:42.600The final blow came on Friday, when the Supreme Court heard a case by the Texas Attorney General and gave it short shrift.
00:00:50.200Will this finally be the end of Trump?
00:00:53.760And what will happen to the millions of Trump-tards who still believe their hero won?
00:00:59.480Well, this election just never ends, basically.
00:01:09.080We seem to cross these Rubicons, you could say, and then we just cross another.
00:01:16.400And last night, in remarkably short order, the Supreme Court shot down a Texas lawsuit, which was joined by a number of other states.
00:01:30.800And they claim to have standing because a federal election affects them all, basically, as states, which is actually a kind of reasonable statement.
00:01:43.720But I'm not sure if it's necessarily a legal one, but it was shot down by the Supreme Court.
00:01:52.620And even some of the conservative justices basically said that they were willing to hear it, but they don't buy it.
00:01:59.680And I have to say, some of the argumentation is just a bit ridiculous.
00:02:09.740And I don't really think there's any other word for it.
00:02:12.880I mean, it's kind of like the argumentation is really done without evidence.
00:02:19.200And evidence in a court of law is something different than like some interesting meme you come up with or like a statistical anomaly or just some kind of weird fact that you created through your little model.
00:02:35.080And, I mean, what they are saying, I mean, the brunt of it, and you've heard this like quadrillion number, which came out from Kayleigh McEnany, about like, for it to happen in one state is one quadrillion to one.
00:02:51.460For it to happen to four is a quadrillion to the fourth power.
00:02:54.900We don't even have a name for that number.
00:05:09.300And the Biden supporters were listening to the mainstream media or they were listening to the alternative media that's in line with the mainstream media.
00:05:19.020And so they engaged in a ton of mail-in validating.
00:05:22.680There's just a really simple explanation for why the election, or not the election itself, but election night was a bit odd.
00:05:32.620And the fact that they just can't get over, it's like they're just obsessing about this like leaf on a tree and they can't see the forest.
00:05:43.020That the election, like widespread election fraud or decisive election fraud that would have changed the outcome is just pretty speculative, to put it charitably.
00:06:00.020But anyway, I got the conversation started.
00:06:03.540What are your kind of thoughts on all this stuff?
00:06:06.480Well, I mean, we saw what the Supreme Court thinks of this nonsense last night when I believe the ruling was 7-2 to hear the case or something.
00:06:18.340And they denied that Trump had standing, if I'm not mistaken, the two who objected were like, they shouldn't even have brought this in the first place.
00:06:40.640So no one who looks at this – no one who's really looking at this election who doesn't got a vast personal stake in Donald Trump believes that it was voter fraud.
00:07:30.080Everywhere it's – I mean you look at it and everywhere it's the same story.
00:07:34.340It's the suburbs in Philadelphia, the suburbs in Atlanta, the suburbs in Phoenix, suburbs in Detroit and Grand Rapids, suburbs in Wisconsin, around Milwaukee.
00:08:17.940I'm just curious what exactly happened because he did really well in these big metropolitan areas, New York City being an excellent example.
00:08:25.660He obviously lost that state by a lot, but he did really well in New York City.
00:08:30.220It might be due to like the diversity outreach or the Platinum Plan.
00:08:36.400And maybe I wouldn't be surprised if there are some kind of like middle-of-the-road people living in those cities who were just freaked out by the riots and were just like –
00:08:48.220Yeah, I mean, they kind of took the bait that he was putting forward, which is like, this is Joe Biden's America.
00:08:55.140This is liberals, the blue states, they're writing, you know, this kind of stuff.
00:08:59.660And they didn't actually blame him for it.
00:09:01.560They weirdly gave him credit for the disorder.
00:09:04.080And I don't know exactly what happened.
00:09:07.940I mean, like, Texas is an excellent example because Texas had some of – has all – for a long time, but during 2020 as well, has some of the most strict election laws.
00:09:25.560I mean, if you look at your own state, you would probably say, well, this might be actually tough for him to win.
00:09:31.660Like, things are – we're headed towards blue.
00:09:35.380And this happened despite the fact that you had these, like, weird Hispanic anomalies, you know, where all these Hispanics were breaking for Trump in surprising – genuinely surprising ways.
00:09:48.040And, you know, again, was it all fraud or whatever?
00:10:16.480Look at all the – look at all the suburbs.
00:10:18.100Look at all the – I mean, you can look at all the suburbs anywhere.
00:10:21.240I mean, it wasn't – I mean, it wasn't just the swing states.
00:10:24.360It's – you know, he lost by – or his decline in his margin was bigger in places like Kentucky and Kansas than it was in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
00:10:39.780I want to say he got crushed in the suburbs of Nashville.
00:10:45.440He really got crushed in the suburbs of Kansas City.
00:10:49.180We brought up Texas, and in Texas it was white suburbanites.
00:10:53.380And the Fort Worth area, which you should be familiar with, Dallas and Fort Worth, those are the people who turned against them.
00:11:12.080Moderate voters, independent voters, white voters living in the suburbs, turned against Trump.
00:11:20.100And, I mean, we're – I mean, in the states where it's a swing state, where it's close, I mean, that was enough to tip it over the edge like it did.
00:11:28.980And Wisconsin, like it did in Michigan, like it did in Pennsylvania, Georgia especially.
00:11:50.500Well, the massive fraud must have been in these college-educated, upscale – well, not just upscale, but basically in the suburbs, where white people live in the suburbs.
00:12:02.640That's where he clearly lost the election.
00:12:17.940The major demographic trend that's occurring is middle-class white suburban professionals, SWIFPs, voting Democrat.
00:12:27.280And these are a seemingly natural constituency for the Republican Party, and they're flipping.
00:12:32.500Yeah, I mean, no one who – the vast majority, I would say, of the people who are going along with the fraud narrative or doing so for political reasons or financial reasons, they don't really believe that there is fraud.
00:12:47.960But, I mean, the Republican base believes there is fraud because Trump is saying it.
00:12:52.160So they have to kind of like – they have to make it look like – they have to – like the Supreme Court case, they have to make it look like they're fighting, right?
00:12:59.200Like, we're fighting for you even though that, you know, privately they'll say, you know, he just lost.
00:13:06.700That's all there is, and they don't want to deal with his wrath like the governor of Georgia, who's, you know, been crushed by Trump because he lost Georgia.
00:13:14.600Kind of like what happened with Jeff Sessions.
00:13:16.780It's not his fault that Trump lost Georgia.
00:13:53.740I mean, they just weren't buying – I mean, if you look – from where I looked at it, in some of the stuff that's come out since, I mean, they overwhelmingly say that amongst the voters who voted for Joe Biden and then voted for – split their tickets and voted for Republicans.
00:14:10.320They all say that COVID-19 was the major issue, right?
00:14:14.460So, I mean, how many deaths are there now that just crossed 300,000 in the death toll?
00:14:40.000And so that would actually include a lot of those things that conservatives are talking about, like, you know, deaths of despair due to the lockdowns or whatever.
00:16:03.100And I was also kind of Trump skeptical quite early, very – or even in late 2016, I was kind of saying, listen, you – there is a real tight window to do this.
00:16:16.680And you have to make priorities and get those right.
00:16:21.400And if those aren't right from the beginning, this, you know, four years goes by pretty quickly.
00:16:38.400And, again, the things that he accomplished in terms of priorities were, you know, incoherent medical policy and tax cuts and some things that were just, you know, symbolically hardcore right wing but were just not serious like the so-called Muslim ban and so on.
00:16:58.760But I agree that achieving the agenda that we're dreaming of in 2016 would have been very difficult, but it certainly would have been possible.
00:17:10.360But he just really had his priorities out of whack at the beginning because I think he fundamentally lacked vision.
00:17:17.760But anyway, so people like you and myself were accused of being, you know, crazed, blackpilling, wignat, lunatics who wanted to destroy the GOP and we just, you know, don't know a good thing.
00:17:33.540We look at Giff Morse in the mouth and we just don't know how hard it is and all this kind of stuff, which is fundamentally incorrect.
00:17:40.960But now you have this, you know, wignat, so to speak, rhetoric occurring among not just the American nationalist types, but among normies as well.
00:17:59.440So I saw some things last night, I think you were retweeting them, of, you know, Milo, a blast from the past, Milo is declaring that he will destroy the GOP.
00:18:10.960It was trending, it was trending on Twitter, but people were laughing.
00:18:15.580And I think I clicked on the trending and almost everything was just laughing at it, actually.
00:18:21.060I mean, whatever, maybe that was trending Twitter's algorithm.
00:18:24.000But, yeah, it was just this type of rhetoric, which, you know, said from one perspective can be powerful, but said from these perspectives of people who just voted for the GOP, told everyone they must vote for the GOP, told everyone that the GOP was headed in the right direction.
00:18:43.780And, indeed, like three weeks ago, told everyone that Brian Kemp was, you know, a badass.
00:18:53.060And it's just, there's just a kind of silliness to it where you just don't take it seriously.
00:18:58.400And then the normies are actually outpacing the American nationalist, and the normies are declaring secession is in the offing.
00:19:09.760Rush Limbaugh actually talked about this on his program, and that was widely circulated.
00:19:13.280And then he had this retraction of sorts, which was just total cowardly nonsense, like, well, I don't support secession, but people are talking about it.
00:19:24.160You know, this kind of, you know, it's, you know, it's like, I don't think that aliens abducted Princess Diana, but people are talking about it.
00:19:31.620You know, it's like, you know, stick up, stick, you know, stick to your position.
00:19:37.920Don't put it off on vague other people talking.
00:19:44.660Texas, I think it's like Allen West, another blast from the past, this kind of based African-American conservative from the Tea Party era was, like, saying that the law-abiding states must, you know, get together in a political union.
00:19:57.980And I guess my perspective on this is twofold.
00:20:06.140First off, this demonstrates just how extreme polarization is getting, where you are just totally dehumanizing the other person, and this whole political community can't really last.
00:20:18.720The other aspect of this is that I've heard this before, and so have you.
00:20:24.220During 2009, during the kind of beginnings of the Tea Party era, and it was this combination of things.
00:20:33.620It was a stock market crash and major unemployment, plus Obama as a new president, and it was, it ginned up this kind of extreme rhetoric, which you would hear at the Tea Party.
00:20:45.980So, if you listened to a lot of Tea Party speakers, it became, you know, anarcho-capitalism, basically.
00:20:58.880And there were, you know, Rick, who was the governor of Texas before Abbott?
00:21:04.140Rick Perry openly talked about secession, you know, in his way, you know, during a Tea Party rally.
00:21:10.200Like, well, we might want to think about, you know, leaving this old union and supporting the Constitution in a new, you know, confederacy, so to speak.
00:21:25.080Nothing happened, and it all just kind of, you know, flowed into Republican electioneering in a year and a half.
00:21:34.920And then the other thing I would say, and, you know, I don't, we don't need to dwell on this, but, I mean, I am someone who takes this stuff seriously, and maybe autistically, but they're just not going to let you go.
00:21:51.640You know, like, America is a global financial empire.
00:21:57.640They don't just let you leave because you want to, or you're voting to do so.
00:22:04.400Like, if you are going to actually secede, if you actually take your word seriously, and you're not just bullshitting or LARPing, then you are going, you're going to probably have to fight for this, and you are going to likely be killed for this.
00:22:20.560So, just saying, I don't think any of these people are actually serious.
00:22:25.440I think they're just bullshitting in the only way that they know how.
00:22:29.400But at the same time, you know, when you use this language, you need to back it up.
00:22:36.620I don't talk about secession because I'm not going to lie to someone, and I'm not going to urge someone to engage in an action that will, in all likelihood, lead to their destruction.
00:22:50.820I mean, a major empire, this is not like the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
00:22:55.840You know, a major empire is not going to reduce its borders or rump states just on a whim because people want to or something.
00:23:04.360About the secession issue, like I was saying, me and you have more experience.
00:23:07.200So, we clearly remember how after Mitt Romney lost for two months there before Obama was re-inaugurated for a second term.
00:23:15.300There was a huge temper tantrum amongst conservatives who said they were going to secede from the union.
00:23:20.520Remember, they did all the secession petitions, and hundreds of thousands of them signed secession petitions saying they were going to secede from the union.
00:23:29.680And then they just said no, and it faded and went away.
00:23:35.400So, that's kind of how I'm approaching this.
00:23:38.260I mean, the last time Romney lost, we saw the exact same thing, all this, we're going to secede from the union.
00:23:44.160And that's probably just – in my view, it's probably just anger.
00:23:49.240There's probably nothing really to it.
00:23:51.060I would love to be surprised, given my opinion on the subject.
00:23:56.780But after four years, after four years of Trump, I'm like the most cynical – I'm Mr. Blackfield.
00:24:07.140So, I'm the most cynical Blackfield person you'll meet on the internet.
00:24:11.800So, I just don't think – I mean, this whole secession thing – and the funny thing is, a lot of this is coming from the American nationalists.
00:24:17.680Because they're out there coon-watching.
00:24:20.040They're for seceding from the union now.
00:24:23.040They're for destroying the Republican Party.
00:24:26.220Like, where have you been for the last four years?
00:24:37.460The difference is that you were criticizing Trump.
00:24:40.920So, you were basically saying you – Trump has to have responsibility to this.
00:24:45.540These people are basically saying if only the pope knew about the wickedness of his bishops, if only the emperor knew about the wickedness of his feudal lords.
00:24:55.220They're basically playing this game where Trump is somehow innocent, and the GOP isn't fighting hard enough for him, and the GOP isn't doing this.
00:25:04.740So, we're going to secede on the basis of Trump.
00:25:34.220Like, the people – some of the people who are closest to those people, like Beg to Laska, who I was – we were just laughing at yesterday, how he was going around Phoenix.
00:25:51.940He's going around macing people whose – and he has, like, two mentally ill schizophrenic girlfriends, one of whom is on the – if I understand it, is on the way to D.C. to stop the steal from Arizona.
00:26:06.700And he's exploiting these young women for clicks on his thing.
00:26:14.920He's going around, and he's gone – he's maced, like, six or seven people for clicks on his live streams in the last few months.
00:26:22.360And the guy's just spun out of control.
00:26:49.440He has been at all the stop-the-still rallies.
00:26:51.280I think he was just in – he was just with Nick Fuentes and his crowd last weekend in Pennsylvania when they all went up there and they had their – so, like, this whole optics thing was totally about, like – Trump, remember – I mean, they said for years people were bad optics because they didn't believe that Trump was going to save America, and they were against America.
00:27:16.100Now they're all screaming, we're going to secede, and then for years, if you held any kind of rally, that meant that you were a federal agent.
00:27:27.420And – but now that Trump has lost the election and Joe Biden is about to be inaugurated, they're out there saying we need to actually be out there in the streets fighting with Antifa like they were doing last night in D.C.
00:28:09.300I mean the fascist threat is – I mean the real action came from the Supreme Court who completely destroyed any hope that Trump was going to swing the election.
00:28:20.360So all the stuff that we were – all the stuff that we were bombarded with for years about optics was just totally, totally pro-Trump crap.
00:28:32.680There was nothing – there was nothing of substance ever to it.
00:28:36.440All it was was people who wanted to hover – how did you say it?
00:28:43.100Hold his beer, blend in like the wallpaper, travel in his exhaust for three years to this dead end.
00:28:51.280And remember, we always said it was going to be a dead end, and now we're finally at the dead end.
00:28:57.800And what do they have to show for it, right?
00:29:16.740If anything, if Georgia – if the Georgia Senate races do go Democrat, and they might very well, because, I mean, in most all cases, the incumbents have like a huge advantage and a runoff because people aren't paying attention and the voting levels descend.
00:29:55.560I might make a prediction, but I'll have to look at some more factors.
00:29:59.200But if those do flip to the Democrats, and they – so it's now – that would make it a 50-50 Senate, and then Kamala Harris would have the deciding vote.
00:30:07.640So all the Republicans are going to do is blame those people.
00:30:12.080Like, you know, like the Red Elephants guy or Fuentes or whatever, they're the ones saying – and people bigger than those guys, like Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, all these people are going to be thrown under the bus in short order.
00:30:27.500Like, they'll be used when they're useful, and the GOP can kind of like go on Twitter and be like, we ain't backing down.
00:30:35.080Like, you know, the Kraken will be released or whatever.
00:30:38.480Like, you know, we support our people out in the streets, our streets.
00:30:42.840You know, the GOP – literal GOP official Twitter can do that.
00:30:46.480But the second it's, like, bad optics, so to speak, or it's harming their chances in the Senate, is the just – the second that all of those people are cast aside.
00:31:32.700She was the one – I mean, I found the video clip, and I've put it on my website.
00:31:38.280She was the one who said that ethnocentric whites had absolutely no place in the Republican Party.
00:31:43.600They were racist and that they did not – they absolutely did not want our votes and to not vote for them because if we voted for them, that Republican Party leaders would denounce us.
00:31:54.100And a lot of us got the message and said, okay, well, we won't then.
00:31:58.100We'll just stay home and watch this catastrophe.
00:32:00.680And now they're like – now because we didn't show up to vote for them, they're screaming, it's fraud, it's fraud, it's fraud.
00:32:08.220And so anyway, one thing we skipped over or I was getting to before I got dropped on the last call is that early on, early on by December 2016, we knew what the agenda was.
00:32:21.420It was announced in December 2016 that the agenda that Trump was going to work – when he came in with all the wind behind him, he announced that what him and the Republicans were going to do were health care and tax cuts.
00:32:34.220Which – and there was an article that came out by Julius Klein, that guy who runs the American Affairs Journal.
00:32:42.500Did you know that those were the two most unpopular policy initiatives of the last 25 years?
00:32:48.360Like number one and number two, the two most unpopular ideas that were put forth before Congress were repealing – the Obamacare repeal and the tax cuts.
00:32:58.800And so yeah, that's what he announced he was spending his – and a lot of these candidates were like, well, why were you so Blackfield so early?
00:33:08.100It's because, okay, well, I'm old enough to remember when Obama was president.
00:33:12.760And Obama got in there, and he did the stimulus, I think, the Wall Street stuff, and he did health care.
00:33:20.060And they sunk into that health care black hole, and it lasted for years.
00:33:26.240And after that point, like Obama got nothing else done except by executive order like DACA.
00:33:33.220But you only – because Congress and things are so polarized, when you come in and you might have a shot – and this is assuming you even have Congress behind you.
00:33:43.780And you might get one thing done through budget reconciliation.
00:33:47.800That's how they got Obamacare passed and the tax cuts was through the budget reconciliation process.
00:33:53.620So you might have a shot at one major thing coming in, and that's assuming you have the Senate and the House behind you.
00:34:02.680And I always knew – it's always new that if immigration wasn't at the top of the agenda, then it wasn't going to get done.
00:34:11.300And so sure enough, I mean, I called this early 2017, and by early 2018, the first two months of 2018, I think when he – was there a government shutdown, you want to say?
00:34:27.480I think it was the government shutdown.
00:34:41.140It was early 2019 because they had just done the – or they were trying to build – it was – Trump was going to build the wall, and he was going to get it out of Congress.
00:35:08.220So, I mean, like once that was over, I knew like, okay, for the rest of the Trump administration, it's just – we're just waiting this out three years.
00:35:15.840And that's pretty much what happened for – well, except for criminal justice reform.
00:35:30.480And I also recognize that this would also be a difficult thread to needle or needle to thread or whatever the right metaphor is.
00:35:41.660But, okay, so Trump – in 2015, Trump was asked in a Republican primary debate, do you promise to support whichever Republican candidate you support, who wins the nomination?
00:35:58.620And Trump said no, you know, in his usual way with his facial expressions.
00:36:07.260So Trump announced very early on, and in contradistinction to everyone else on stage, including Rand, Paul, and others, that he wasn't a Republican, in fact.
00:36:28.680He is a wild card, and you just can't tell which way he'll jump.
00:36:33.500And that – if he had gone in in 2017 and basically said, I am going to work with Chuck and Nancy and Republicans in the Midwest who have always been kind of centrist and so on, and Democrats like Joe Manchin in the Senate, all of this type.
00:36:54.280I'm going to create a new center, and I have political capital right now.
00:36:58.840Now, maybe that political capital is a little botched because he didn't win the popular fair, but he has political capital.
00:37:06.640He is what everyone is talking about, and we're going to pursue a national agenda on infrastructure, and that will include, you know, all sorts – that will include environmental protection.
00:37:20.960That will include a new train system, metro system.
00:37:25.380That will include the wall on the southern border as part of it, and that will include – or maybe this would have to be done separately, but this will be done accompanied by immigration reform to protect American businesses and workers and all that jazz.
00:37:42.000And that would have been a better approach, and I grant you that that would have been difficult and were so hotly polarized that maybe it's impossible.
00:37:53.240But we tried the GOP approach, and the GOP approach with Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House was, like, gut – incoherently gutting Obamacare and tax cuts.
00:38:06.080That led to 2018, that led to lower approval ratings, that led to just hatred, that led to kind of cutting off the kind of more intelligent, serious, and independent aspect of the Trump coalition, which included people like you and me.
00:38:25.920And attempting to transcend polarization, as difficult as that is, maybe seemingly impossible.
00:38:33.280This is – you know, politics is the art of the possible.
00:38:34.960Maybe you need to – maybe you kind of need to try the impossible at one point.
00:38:39.140That would have been a better strategy.
00:38:41.620And it would have – it could have actually been maintained regardless of what happened in 2018.
00:38:46.980And he wouldn't have been basically just doing the bidding of Paul Ryan and company.
00:38:53.400He would have been kind of, like, changing people's opinions, bringing people into the coalition, maybe kicking and streaming, but bringing them in and kind of reducing the extreme polarization.
00:39:04.960That led to, one, his impeachment, which I absolutely never supported and always thought, despite my distaste for Trump, I always thought, bullshit.
00:39:29.540You're getting – you're getting here, like – and I was wanting to talk to you about this, but we need to talk about, like, the American right and what it is, what it precisely it is and our relationship to it.
00:39:43.060And when you just, you know, got on there, it was right on target.
00:39:46.700You – there's that faction of the GOP, which, you know, we talked about in the topology surveys.
00:39:53.640It's always been, you know, that same 13 percent of Americans, 20 percent of people engaged in politics, the core conservatives, the true cons, the business conservatives, the Paul Ryan, you know, the whole GOP, the Heritage Foundation, all that.
00:40:12.020All of that – those people, right, are the anchor around the right because their views are absolutely – on economics especially and foreign policy are absolutely just out of touch with not only their own voters but with the public at large.
00:40:32.500Yeah, the reason that – you know, the reason the GOP has this disastrous position on health care that's so politically unpopular, which was the reason they lost the 2018 midterms, by the way, is because of that faction of the Republican Party.
00:40:48.780And it's also that faction of the Republican Party, you know, which thinks a tax cut is the solution to everything, whereas no one else in the country and even in the Republican Party thinks that way.
00:40:59.720Or also on immigration specifically, they will – the overwhelming majority of Republicans want to restrict immigration.
00:41:08.660But that part of the GOP, which controls the rest of the GOP, you know, wants the chief labor, like we saw with – you know, when Mike Lee rolled out that bill the other day and not a single senator objected to it.
00:41:22.540You got this one faction of the Republican Party, this one faction of the American right, these people – you know, the people – I mean what they basically believe in is Israel, number one, number two is free market capitalism, and number three is classical liberalism.
00:41:38.800I mean if you – I've seen – I've been putting it out on Twitter, this political science research, something – people – there was a question was posed to these people.
00:41:46.740Do you think being European is important to being truly American?
00:41:50.940Two percent of the free marketers in the survey said that it was important to be European, to be an American.
00:41:57.480On all these identity questions, they don't have anything resembling a traditional American ethnic identity.
00:42:06.140They're just people who believe in capitalism.
00:42:09.300And because of that, you know, if Trump had come in there in 2017 and had stiffed that wing of the party and moved the center of gravity towards the – our wing, more towards the center, then he would have solved a lot of his problems because we're the people who are actually moderate on these issues.
00:42:29.780I would just put – before I came up on there with you, I just posted your thing about student loan debt, right?
00:42:36.920Sixty percent of the public – sixty percent of the public supports getting rid of $50,000 of this student loan debt.
00:42:46.000Thirty percent of Republicans support it.
00:42:50.260Sixty percent of the public – and if you look at it by age of people under the age of 50 years old, two-thirds of the public, two-thirds of everyone under the age of 50 years old says, you know, let's get rid of this problem.
00:43:05.020It's the same thing with the stimulus check, right?
00:43:07.840Why in six months have they been able to send out that second stimulus check?
00:43:11.900And they're haggling – they're currently – right now they're haggling – currently they're haggling over whether it should be $600 or $1,200 like it was last time.
00:43:24.100And it's because of that wing of the – it's because of that, you know, the Uncle Scrooge wing of the – Scrooge wing of the conservatives.
00:43:36.800They – even if you look – and this is one of the amazing – one of the amazing things I was looking at.
00:43:42.200If you look at the – if you look at more moderate centrist Democrats, working-class Democrats, like the reason Hispanics and blacks don't vote for the Republican Party is less to do with – is a lot less to do with these identity politics issues than it just is.
00:43:58.740They realize that, you know, these people don't want to give us health care.
00:44:02.740You know, they want to – they want this extreme free market economics.
00:44:10.280That's why they don't vote for the Republican Party.
00:44:13.580In fact, if you look at their views on foreign policy, like their views on foreign policy, for example, and trade policy are really no different than our own, right?
00:44:24.600We're not the group that repulses all these people in the middle.
00:44:27.780It's these people on the actual far right, which is the whole Paul Ryan crowd.
00:44:36.720And I would emphasize the fact that that is, to a large degree, the donor wings, both Israel and free markets.
00:44:46.220And so you – like, you can say that, you know, more people are talking about immigration.
00:44:52.720I remember at CPAC, not too long ago, it might have been 2018 or so, you would sometimes get people talking about immigration more than they otherwise would.
00:45:02.740Although there are some kind of – although there are some kind of examples to that.
00:45:04.720I can remember that in Jimmy McCain era.
00:45:25.280The other thing that I would add is that the Tea Party wing, which is increasingly the MAGA wing, and this is a – and it's the Proud Boys wing.
00:45:41.100I think it's actually a lot less white than it was 10 years ago during the Tea Party era.
00:45:46.160And I think that it is much more openly Zionist and openly gay and trans in a weird way than it was even – it's certainly under Mitt Romney.
00:45:58.060I mean, lady – there's no Lady Romney or like Lady Romney waving an Israel flag.
00:47:23.040You know, like we kind of liked it maybe a few – four years ago when we were kind of like, all right, these are good people and it's moving in the right direction.
00:48:14.860Yeah, you dress up like a colonial soldier and hold up weird signs.
00:48:19.120Like it's fun, but it's like it's cosplay and it's a huge turnoff to most people.
00:48:25.320Well, yeah, let's give a bit of history here because, I mean, this is kind of important.
00:48:29.760And we remember this throughout the entire Obama administration when they had all this – we had Glenn Beck and everyone dressing up like the Tea Party.
00:48:39.460And they had all their – they had all the gas and flags.
00:48:42.400And, of course, you had Alex Jones out there screaming about Sandy Hook and Jade Helm.
00:48:48.800And, I mean, I don't know about you, but I really wasn't paying that much close attention to Alex Jones and the whole right-wing populist thing.
00:48:56.440And during this whole period, we were far distant from those people, and they just came across as ridiculous.
00:49:06.400I remember when Obama won the 2012 election, and it was a Paul Joseph Watson who said on Infowars that Obama had used the HAARP weather array to create Hurricane Sandy and to fling it into New York City in order to boost Obama.
00:49:23.340I don't know. I'm not sure if it was Paul Joseph Watson, but it was one of these people.
00:49:33.560So before 2016, 2015, we had nothing to do with them.
00:49:37.400And what happened was when Trump came on, Trump was like, okay, I'm going to build a wall.
00:49:44.040I'm going to deport all the illegal aliens.
00:49:46.140I'm really going to restrict your illegal immigration.
00:49:48.640I'm going to – I'm against DREAMers.
00:49:52.160He was going to renegotiate our trade agreements when we actually thought that meant that we were actually going to have a more protectionist economic policy that would create jobs at home.
00:50:04.140He was going to have this huge trillion-dollar infrastructure plan.
00:50:08.320He was going to – all these foreign wars were huge.
00:50:14.040I mean he said so many genuinely good things.
00:50:17.060Yeah, and he was also – and this was a huge thing for me that he was independent – this was a huge thing for me that he was independent of the donor class and self-financing his own campaign to be free of those people because Jeb Bush and Lion Ted and little Marco and all the rest were their –
00:50:34.120with their puppets, and he was against mainstream – that was another big thing for us.
00:50:38.680He was against mainstream conservatism, and we saw that, and somehow we ended up aligned with people like Alex Jones and Milo and Nick Fuentes and Andrew Anglin and people like that.
00:50:52.960And then, of course, over the first two years of the Trump administration, we got disillusioned with it, and they stuck to it.
00:51:04.360You go to their websites, and they're all talking about COVID-19 is a massive global conspiracy involving every coroner, every doctor in the United States, every hospital, everyone who's supposedly been infected by the virus,
00:51:19.500every county health department, every state and local health department in the country is all in on the conspiracy, not to mention the entire world.
00:51:30.660Bill Gates is coming to vaccinate people and to eject them with a microchip.
00:51:34.740It's all part of the NWO's plan for – what's it called?
00:51:49.360And then, of course, there was massive voter fraud against Trump, and millions of people – and according to Andrew Anglin, millions of people were going to starve to death from the lockdowns.
00:51:59.440It's all this – it's gone back completely to how it was before Trump came along.
00:52:03.920It's all this performative, theatrical nuttiness.
00:52:10.540Yeah, and Nick Fuentes is in D.C. doing another one of these performative rallies today.
00:52:15.120I'm sure he's out there ranting and raving.
00:52:17.400So this goes back to – this is what I was wanting to ask you as well as what I was wanting to talk about today.
00:52:22.660Why are you so dissatisfied, so disaffected, so disillusioned with the American right after living through the entire George W. Bush presidency,
00:52:32.380through living through the time they nominated John McCain and then Mitt Romney, and then four years of Donald Trump.
00:52:42.380It seems like that 20 years is – I keep asking myself, why am I so – I've never – I can't ever remember ever being happy or satisfied with the American right ever.
00:54:04.860I think that we need to change ourselves from the inside out, and I think we need to change ourselves from the outside in.
00:54:10.500I want to change the world, and that's why I get up in the morning and still do this.
00:54:15.380You know, otherwise, if it's just, like, endless disappointment, then I probably would, you know, go up and take up gardening or something.
00:54:22.700But the weird thing about it is that – and we saw Trump, real quick, we saw Trump as changing this.
00:54:30.000So Trump was this chaotic force who was pushing us towards something – we're not quite sure what it is, but he's pushing us towards something different that's anti-system, that's a dramatic change, and we're just going to take a flyer on this.
00:54:42.600We're going to put it all on red, you know, our life savings on red, spin the wheel, let's see what happens.
00:54:48.460That is the mindset of where I was, and that's where most people were.
00:54:52.660The thing about the people who are in this right now, it's not just that we're black-pilled or we're – I love – my other favorite insult to me is, you're irrelevant.
00:55:02.540They've been saying that to me for, like, three years, you were irrelevant – well, they're just talking about me, talking about it, like, Spencer said this, Spencer said this, he's irrelevant now.
00:55:11.400They're like, oh, it's like, what would you do without me?
00:55:14.360What would you do without me, you little dorks?
00:55:38.400The true con is, functionally speaking, pro-system.
00:55:42.540Because the true con is there to resist any kind of change, whatever it is, whether it's coming from Spencer, whether it's coming from Kamala Harris, whether it's coming from Julius Evola, whether it's coming from Bill Gates, whether it's coming from Barack Obama.
00:56:00.040They are, it's a conservative force that is a, it just resists any form of change.
00:56:06.440The fact that they're claiming things like, there's this great reset coming.
00:56:11.200And I don't, I apparently don't know the definition of the word reset, because that means reversion to where you were.
00:56:18.880It's the great resets coming and everything's going to change.
00:56:21.500And it's going to be all these horrible things that are hypotheticals that they imagine.
00:56:24.680And what they are functionally doing is defending the status quo.
00:56:30.560If you are that afraid of change, then you are ultimately going to bat for no change at all.
00:56:38.520You are defending the status quo functionally.
00:56:41.060And all of those true cons, as wild and wacky as they can get, you know, Sandy Hook, vaccinations, you know, HAARP, weather program, you know, all this stuff, they're still ultimately Republicans.
00:56:55.080Like that, that weird, wacky, wild version of the right, it can be fit into the Republican coalition.
00:57:04.400And we can't, because we don't believe in any of that stuff.
00:57:08.780And our actual policies are fairly sensible.
00:57:12.700You know, like when it comes to just immediate policies, like student loans, change the university system, that's an achievable reform.
00:57:38.140Yes, so my theory of the case here is, looking back on the last 20 years, neither of us have ever been like American conservatives in the traditional sense.
00:57:52.180We have some socially conservative views.
00:57:54.780That means, like, we disagree with the far left on any number of issues, which goes without even saying all their crazy nuttiness about gender and sexuality and all that hatred, that anti-white hatred and stuff on the far left.
00:58:13.760And we also, you know, equally disagree with the – see, the system is polarized between all these crazy people on the far left.
00:58:22.480Like, they show up in one of these studies that I'm looking at.
00:58:26.980They're called, like, Democrat Independent Liberal Elites.
00:58:30.340It's like 13 percent – 13, 14 percent of the population that's upper middle class white professionals who live in the suburbs who – yeah.
00:58:40.560But they also have their own conspiracy theories about climate change and ecological catastrophe, ecological apocalypse.
00:59:01.140And on the other side, you know, where it's polarized, you've got the Charlie Kirk, the Ben Shapiro, the True Cons crowd.
00:59:10.260We're actually in the – if you look at where we're at in the electorate, we're actually right in the middle, like to the left of all the conservatives, but to the right of all the crazy – to the crazy liberals.
00:59:21.620So – and if you look at people in that part of the electorate, it's actually – everyone in that part of the electorate is actually more racially conscious.
00:59:43.920The type of people who voted for Joe Biden and also – or the type of person who – Hispanic who voted for Donald Trump but also voted for, like, a minimum wage increase.
00:59:57.280And, like, that type of weird voter that you can't quite codify, they are more racially conscious than, you know, like, the far-right, quote-unquote, you know, Paul Ryan type stuff.
01:00:11.440And also, like, the far-left that has this weird version of racial consciousness where it's, you know, anti-white conspiracy theory, white supremacist conspiracy theory, basically.
01:00:23.200The absolutely repulsive people who are out there, you know, praying about white supremacy and doing all that weird – all that bizarre, like, post-Protestant, you know, religious rituals after the George Floyd thing.
01:00:38.100And, you know, a lot of Blacks and Hispanics just looked at that and were just utterly, utterly repulsed.
01:00:42.980But, like, if you look at our positions across a whole range of issues, okay, tax cuts on corporations, right, raise taxes, on free trade, for example, on immigration,
01:00:56.280on a whole range of social issues, which, you know, conservatives are more invested in than we are, on, you know, COVID is a great example of that.
01:01:09.120Like, how a lot of people on the right just absolutely lost their damn minds over – and descended into this – it seems to descend into, like, this cranky libertarian thing.
01:01:21.920Like, you know, look at all those people wearing their muzzles going to Walmart, right?
01:01:28.100So, yeah, across a whole range of issues are student loan debt or, you know, our positions are actually, you know, fairly popular, pretty much in the mainstream.
01:01:39.300Most people are actually not really radical on these issues.
01:01:44.420And look at a stimulus check, something like 75 percent, we agree with that, send out a second stimulus check.
01:01:53.400But, like, the true cons, you know, will have some kind of complex ideological nonsense reason to oppose stuff like this.
01:02:01.240So, like, my position is we've never, like, fit into either the right or the left because we're actually more in the middle.
01:02:09.280We're actually moderates, not conservatives.
01:02:10.860That's where we're at, and, you know, occasionally, like Trump, like, you know, once in a blue moon, someone will come on, and we'll get, like, really excited about voting for a Republican, and then we vote for him.
01:02:23.920And then quickly we're disillusioned by once that candidate is dragged into the grips of Turning Point USA and CPAC and all the idiots who gather there.
01:02:36.000So, yeah, well, when you're in the middle, you get attacked by both sides.
01:02:41.640Yeah, but it's amazing because, I mean, we should be like, I mean, when we identify as being right wing, it's not, completely not in the sense, it's not in the, I mean, you know this as well as I do, it's not in the same sense at all as these people who compose the American right.
01:02:59.720They're right wing in the sense they believe in classical liberalism and free market capitalism.
01:03:06.260Socialism sucks, and, you know, Israel's the greatest thing ever.
01:03:09.860That's what they call the American right, whereas our beliefs on, you know, especially on identity is that's what's right wing about us.
01:03:19.760Like, I could sit here and talk for six hours on Southern identity, Southern American history.
01:03:28.920We talked at length about – look at the huge podcast we did about modernism, right?
01:03:34.500That's totally – that's our kind of right wing, but it's not the same kind of right wing that these people are.
01:03:41.060And this misalignment is a source of much frustration.
01:03:44.760We just never fit in with these people.
01:03:47.540They don't have a – they don't have a sense of identity like we do.
01:03:51.620Like I said, 2% of them, 2% of the true crimes believe that being European is important to being American.
01:03:57.560They are completely modernist, unfortunately, in that question.
01:04:52.080I mean, he can, you know, do some performance art and pretend like – from Tuesday until the inauguration, he can still do this performance art.
01:05:01.300Or, you know, he – there's still a chance.
01:05:05.280And it's going to become, like, less and less plausible, especially after, you know, Joe Biden has already been elected by the Electoral College.
01:05:26.020But maybe a literal nuclear option is in the sense of he still is president, and he sees this thing going down, and maybe this is the time to do all that Iran stuff while people are looking the other way and while he only – while time is limited and so on.
01:05:46.420And, I mean, I don't think that's going to happen, but I think it's now kind of weirdly more possible.
01:05:54.120And it went from, like, less than 1% to maybe, like, 2%.
01:06:00.380I mean, so obviously I think 98% of chance it's not going to happen.
01:06:03.620But I'm just saying that as he – we're going to see what – who he really is and what he's really about in the next few weeks.
01:06:14.780And I think it's possible that we'll see, like, the very, very worst aspects of what Trump was ultimately about.
01:06:29.400Or assuming he does want to run again in 2024.
01:06:31.800Yeah, that might be restraining – yeah, this fantasy – this fantasy of taking revenge and beating Joe Biden and coming back in 2024 might prevent him from, you know, just going full mega and attacking Iran.
01:08:17.180I think Ivanka probably imagines herself as this weird center that she's not.
01:08:23.720And I think she imagines herself occupying a center, which she doesn't, because she's the non-vulgar racist Trump, and she looks like the kind of person you would invite to your cocktail party or who you would see at your country club.
01:09:48.520I've supported Trump, but I'm not going to – there's not going to be a grabber by the pussy leaked audio tape on me.
01:09:56.960Although a little bit less so with Tucker, because there's some leaked audio of Tucker, you know, mid-2000s shock jockeying, basically, and saying, you know, the Iraqis are barbarian savages or whatever.