RadixJournal - Libtards Victorious

00:00:00.000 It's Monday, December 14th, 2020, and welcome back to The McSpencer Group, an unrehearsed, hastily assembled program about metapolitics.

00:00:11.240 Joining me is Brad Griffin, a man so Southern his diet is composed solely of fried okra and pecan pie.

00:00:19.740 Main topic, libtards, victorious. 1.00

00:00:23.500 The Kraken has been released, but instead of resembling a mythological beast from the Age of Titans, it amounted to a series of frivolous lawsuits based on absurd argumentation and easily refutable statistical analysis, all but one of which were swiftly tossed out of court.

00:00:42.600 The final blow came on Friday, when the Supreme Court heard a case by the Texas Attorney General and gave it short shrift.

00:00:50.200 Will this finally be the end of Trump?

00:00:53.760 And what will happen to the millions of Trump-tards who still believe their hero won? 0.92

00:00:59.480 Well, this election just never ends, basically.

00:01:04.780 I don't know when it's going to end.

00:01:09.080 We seem to cross these Rubicons, you could say, and then we just cross another.

00:01:16.400 And last night, in remarkably short order, the Supreme Court shot down a Texas lawsuit, which was joined by a number of other states.

00:01:30.800 And they claim to have standing because a federal election affects them all, basically, as states, which is actually a kind of reasonable statement.

00:01:43.720 But I'm not sure if it's necessarily a legal one, but it was shot down by the Supreme Court.

00:01:52.620 And even some of the conservative justices basically said that they were willing to hear it, but they don't buy it.

00:01:59.680 And I have to say, some of the argumentation is just a bit ridiculous. 0.69

00:02:09.740 And I don't really think there's any other word for it.

00:02:12.880 I mean, it's kind of like the argumentation is really done without evidence.

00:02:19.200 And evidence in a court of law is something different than like some interesting meme you come up with or like a statistical anomaly or just some kind of weird fact that you created through your little model.

00:02:35.080 And, I mean, what they are saying, I mean, the brunt of it, and you've heard this like quadrillion number, which came out from Kayleigh McEnany, about like, for it to happen in one state is one quadrillion to one.

00:02:51.460 For it to happen to four is a quadrillion to the fourth power.

00:02:54.900 We don't even have a name for that number.

00:02:57.040 It's like 50 zeros.

00:02:59.240 I mean, you know, it's just this type of stuff.

00:03:01.280 And it's just like, if you're playing a football game, and both each team scores a safety.

00:03:11.760 And so in the third quarter, you have some really bizarre score, like two to two.

00:03:16.880 Now, you could look at that and be like, two to two?

00:03:20.300 What is this baseball?

00:03:21.540 This is impossible.

00:03:23.040 What are the odds of this?

00:03:24.740 A million to one?

00:03:25.720 Well, it might be a million to one.

00:03:27.120 But actually, there have been games that are like that.

00:03:30.080 There's actually, I looked this up before going on, just so my analogy would be as powerful as possible.

00:03:36.500 There's actually some games where three safeties have been scored in one single football game.

00:03:41.300 What are the odds of that?

00:03:43.160 Well, is that proof of fraud?

00:03:46.180 That's proof that the refs are getting paid off by the mob, or both teams are in on it together? 0.99

00:03:52.400 No, it's not proof of anything.

00:03:54.200 It just isn't.

00:03:56.760 And it's interesting.

00:03:58.880 You can look into it.

00:04:00.460 But it's just, you cannot use that for a lawsuit.

00:04:07.320 You just can't.

00:04:08.860 And in terms of all of these states where, oh, Trump was ahead by this much.

00:04:14.440 And what are the odds that Biden would catch up to him as the night went on, which is basically their case?

00:04:21.660 Well, okay, on one level, you could say, yeah, that is statistically weird.

00:04:26.660 And what are the odds of that?

00:04:28.600 It's so strange.

00:04:29.820 But on another level, there's actually a perfectly reasonable explanation for why that happened.

00:04:36.660 It's that Donald Trump spent six months talking down mail-in voting, telling his supporters not to do it.

00:04:44.940 And remember, his supporters aren't listening to the mainstream media.

00:04:49.200 They're even less or less frequently listening to Fox News.

00:04:53.580 They're listening to him and the kind of sycophantic alternative media around him.

00:04:59.760 So they thought that mail-in voting was just, you know, a total sham or it was impossible or you shouldn't do it or whatever.

00:05:07.680 And they didn't do it.

00:05:09.300 And the Biden supporters were listening to the mainstream media or they were listening to the alternative media that's in line with the mainstream media.

00:05:19.020 And so they engaged in a ton of mail-in validating.

00:05:22.680 There's just a really simple explanation for why the election, or not the election itself, but election night was a bit odd.

00:05:32.620 And the fact that they just can't get over, it's like they're just obsessing about this like leaf on a tree and they can't see the forest.

00:05:43.020 That the election, like widespread election fraud or decisive election fraud that would have changed the outcome is just pretty speculative, to put it charitably.

00:06:00.020 But anyway, I got the conversation started.

00:06:03.540 What are your kind of thoughts on all this stuff?

00:06:06.480 Well, I mean, we saw what the Supreme Court thinks of this nonsense last night when I believe the ruling was 7-2 to hear the case or something.

00:06:18.340 And they denied that Trump had standing, if I'm not mistaken, the two who objected were like, they shouldn't even have brought this in the first place.

00:06:26.760 I think that was what Thomas said.

00:06:28.080 It was like Alito, and I believe it's Alito and Thomas.

00:06:30.540 I can go check.

00:06:31.420 But yeah. 0.94

00:06:31.920 Yeah, he said that this is ridiculous. 0.89

00:06:33.700 They shouldn't even have brought this in the first place. 0.92

00:06:35.300 Right, but we would hear it or something.

00:06:38.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:40.640 So no one who looks at this – no one who's really looking at this election who doesn't got a vast personal stake in Donald Trump believes that it was voter fraud.

00:06:52.620 I mean let's just be honest here.

00:06:55.860 It wasn't even close, right?

00:06:57.520 He lost by what, four point – I think it's like 4.2 points now.

00:07:01.580 So yeah, it was – yeah, he lost by like seven – yeah, like seven to eight million votes.

00:07:07.360 That's quite a lot of votes.

00:07:09.020 Seven to eight million votes, about 4.2 in the popular vote by smaller margins in most of the swing states.

00:07:21.420 But that's – I mean that's consistent with, you know, him winning by like 4.2 points.

00:07:28.800 Yeah.

00:07:30.080 Everywhere it's – I mean you look at it and everywhere it's the same story.

00:07:34.340 It's the suburbs in Philadelphia, the suburbs in Atlanta, the suburbs in Phoenix, suburbs in Detroit and Grand Rapids, suburbs in Wisconsin, around Milwaukee.

00:07:47.540 That's where he lost the election.

00:07:50.940 He didn't – there was no like massive rigging in any of these big cities against Trump like we talked about before.

00:07:57.740 The opposite was true.

00:07:59.360 In most of these big cities, he performed better than he did last time.

00:08:04.600 His campaign strategy was to – his campaign strategy was to improve with the black vote and the Hispanic vote, and he did, right? 0.89

00:08:11.700 Well, I don't –

00:08:13.620 That was mission accomplished.

00:08:14.640 That's what happened.

00:08:15.540 Yeah, I know.

00:08:15.980 I don't discount what you say.

00:08:17.940 I'm just curious what exactly happened because he did really well in these big metropolitan areas, New York City being an excellent example.

00:08:25.660 He obviously lost that state by a lot, but he did really well in New York City.

00:08:30.220 It might be due to like the diversity outreach or the Platinum Plan.

00:08:36.400 And maybe I wouldn't be surprised if there are some kind of like middle-of-the-road people living in those cities who were just freaked out by the riots and were just like –

00:08:48.220 Yeah, I mean, they kind of took the bait that he was putting forward, which is like, this is Joe Biden's America.

00:08:55.140 This is liberals, the blue states, they're writing, you know, this kind of stuff.

00:08:59.660 And they didn't actually blame him for it.

00:09:01.560 They weirdly gave him credit for the disorder.

00:09:04.080 And I don't know exactly what happened.

00:09:07.060 And there are weird things.

00:09:07.940 I mean, like, Texas is an excellent example because Texas had some of – has all – for a long time, but during 2020 as well, has some of the most strict election laws.

00:09:20.660 And, again, Biden outperformed Hillary pretty significantly.

00:09:25.560 I mean, if you look at your own state, you would probably say, well, this might be actually tough for him to win.

00:09:31.660 Like, things are – we're headed towards blue.

00:09:35.380 And this happened despite the fact that you had these, like, weird Hispanic anomalies, you know, where all these Hispanics were breaking for Trump in surprising – genuinely surprising ways. 0.76

00:09:48.040 And, you know, again, was it all fraud or whatever?

00:09:51.680 I mean, it's like, no.

00:09:53.800 You know, yeah, there might be some weird things around the edges.

00:09:57.500 It's like, fine, I'm not going to, like, claim there's no fraud or whatever or no mistakes.

00:10:03.980 But, like, there's clearly just more immediate, direct explanations for what happened.

00:10:13.580 Yeah, I mean, you can – I mean, go ahead.

00:10:15.920 Yeah, no, you can.

00:10:16.480 Look at all the – look at all the suburbs.

00:10:18.100 Look at all the – I mean, you can look at all the suburbs anywhere.

00:10:21.240 I mean, it wasn't – I mean, it wasn't just the swing states.

00:10:24.360 It's – you know, he lost by – or his decline in his margin was bigger in places like Kentucky and Kansas than it was in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

00:10:39.780 I want to say he got crushed in the suburbs of Nashville.

00:10:45.440 He really got crushed in the suburbs of Kansas City.

00:10:49.180 We brought up Texas, and in Texas it was white suburbanites.

00:10:53.380 And the Fort Worth area, which you should be familiar with, Dallas and Fort Worth, those are the people who turned against them.

00:11:01.360 Everywhere you look at –

00:11:02.780 Everywhere you look at –

00:11:04.020 Even Marcus liberalism, basically, is how I would describe it.

00:11:09.100 Everywhere you look, it's the same story.

00:11:11.660 Yeah.

00:11:12.080 Moderate voters, independent voters, white voters living in the suburbs, turned against Trump.

00:11:20.100 And, I mean, we're – I mean, in the states where it's a swing state, where it's close, I mean, that was enough to tip it over the edge like it did.

00:11:28.980 And Wisconsin, like it did in Michigan, like it did in Pennsylvania, Georgia especially.

00:11:37.520 I mean, we saw what happened.

00:11:38.580 Georgia just got killed in the Atlanta suburbs.

00:11:41.040 There's no doubt what happened.

00:11:42.260 I mean, if there was – okay, if there was fraud anywhere – I mean, this is the argument.

00:11:49.120 There was just this massive fraud.

00:11:50.500 Well, the massive fraud must have been in these college-educated, upscale – well, not just upscale, but basically in the suburbs, where white people live in the suburbs.

00:12:02.640 That's where he clearly lost the election.

00:12:04.980 Yeah.

00:12:05.100 And no one – no one – even the most –

00:12:09.260 That I've been talking about for well over the year.

00:12:12.360 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 This is – even lots of other people have been talking about it as well.

00:12:15.840 Like, this is the major trend.

00:12:17.940 The major demographic trend that's occurring is middle-class white suburban professionals, SWIFPs, voting Democrat.

00:12:27.280 And these are a seemingly natural constituency for the Republican Party, and they're flipping.

00:12:32.500 Yeah, I mean, no one who – the vast majority, I would say, of the people who are going along with the fraud narrative or doing so for political reasons or financial reasons, they don't really believe that there is fraud.

00:12:47.960 But, I mean, the Republican base believes there is fraud because Trump is saying it.

00:12:52.160 So they have to kind of like – they have to make it look like – they have to – like the Supreme Court case, they have to make it look like they're fighting, right?

00:12:59.200 Like, we're fighting for you even though that, you know, privately they'll say, you know, he just lost.

00:13:06.700 That's all there is, and they don't want to deal with his wrath like the governor of Georgia, who's, you know, been crushed by Trump because he lost Georgia.

00:13:14.600 Kind of like what happened with Jeff Sessions.

00:13:16.780 It's not his fault that Trump lost Georgia.

00:13:19.040 It's Trump's fault.

00:13:19.700 But the idea that, you know, there was massive fraud in black – majority of black cities is just not the case.

00:13:28.320 Hispanics turned towards Trump.

00:13:31.040 Trump even, I want to say, Hawaii was – Hawaii was one of the states that swung towards Trump because Asian voters there.

00:13:40.520 Interesting.

00:13:40.960 Yeah, Hawaii was one of the states that swung towards Trump.

00:13:44.920 Yeah, these weird things.

00:13:47.120 Everywhere is the same.

00:13:48.040 I mean, it was just white voters.

00:13:49.380 I mean, come on.

00:13:50.780 That's the problem.

00:13:53.360 Yeah.

00:13:53.740 I mean, they just weren't buying – I mean, if you look – from where I looked at it, in some of the stuff that's come out since, I mean, they overwhelmingly say that amongst the voters who voted for Joe Biden and then voted for – split their tickets and voted for Republicans.

00:14:10.320 They all say that COVID-19 was the major issue, right?

00:14:14.460 So, I mean, how many deaths are there now that just crossed 300,000 in the death toll?

00:14:22.560 Yeah.

00:14:22.900 Maybe the –

00:14:23.580 I've seen excessive deaths are upwards of 300,000.

00:14:28.780 So that's –

00:14:29.120 Yeah, maybe –

00:14:29.920 You know, that's a brute number that all deaths basically have any cause.

00:14:34.260 So they're 300,000 above what you would expect.

00:14:37.680 So it is – yeah.

00:14:40.000 And so that would actually include a lot of those things that conservatives are talking about, like, you know, deaths of despair due to the lockdowns or whatever.

00:14:48.220 I mean, we're not really locked down.

00:14:49.560 But that would actually include those externalities.

00:14:53.380 And, yeah, it is very serious and a just obvious unforced error on Trump's part.

00:15:00.540 Yeah.

00:15:00.680 I mean, there's no other way of describing it.

00:15:03.480 There's just nothing – there's just nothing to – there's nothing of really substance to the voter fraud narrative.

00:15:08.000 I mean, what is the case here with Dominion voting machines?

00:15:13.500 I hadn't even looked at it.

00:15:14.260 I don't even think, like, a lot of the states he lost, the swing states even had Dominion voting machines.

00:15:19.700 And they're not saying, like, the places that he – that did have these machines where he won, there was any fraud there.

00:15:25.760 The fraud narrative only means that Trump lost the state instead of won a state.

00:15:31.160 So you don't really hear many accusations of fraud in North Carolina or Florida.

00:15:35.260 No.

00:15:36.240 No.

00:15:36.680 Or Texas.

00:15:38.520 They're just mad that he – or Ohio, he lost.

00:15:41.040 I mean, that's the complaint.

00:15:42.560 Yeah.

00:15:44.480 So this is what I see happening.

00:15:48.460 And this is rather remarkable because – so for the last few years, you might have been the first to be, you know, Trump critical.

00:16:00.940 I was Trump critical quite early.

00:16:03.100 And I was also kind of Trump skeptical quite early, very – or even in late 2016, I was kind of saying, listen, you – there is a real tight window to do this.

00:16:16.680 And you have to make priorities and get those right.

00:16:21.400 And if those aren't right from the beginning, this, you know, four years goes by pretty quickly.

00:16:29.760 And you're into midterm elections.

00:16:31.860 Then you're into the 2020 election cycle really early.

00:16:35.980 So you have to set priorities.

00:16:38.400 And, again, the things that he accomplished in terms of priorities were, you know, incoherent medical policy and tax cuts and some things that were just, you know, symbolically hardcore right wing but were just not serious like the so-called Muslim ban and so on.

00:16:58.760 But I agree that achieving the agenda that we're dreaming of in 2016 would have been very difficult, but it certainly would have been possible.

00:17:10.360 But he just really had his priorities out of whack at the beginning because I think he fundamentally lacked vision.

00:17:17.760 But anyway, so people like you and myself were accused of being, you know, crazed, blackpilling, wignat, lunatics who wanted to destroy the GOP and we just, you know, don't know a good thing.

00:17:33.540 We look at Giff Morse in the mouth and we just don't know how hard it is and all this kind of stuff, which is fundamentally incorrect.

00:17:40.960 But now you have this, you know, wignat, so to speak, rhetoric occurring among not just the American nationalist types, but among normies as well.

00:17:57.520 And, in fact, the normies go further.

00:17:59.440 So I saw some things last night, I think you were retweeting them, of, you know, Milo, a blast from the past, Milo is declaring that he will destroy the GOP.

00:18:10.960 It was trending, it was trending on Twitter, but people were laughing.

00:18:14.400 Yeah, it was.

00:18:15.580 And I think I clicked on the trending and almost everything was just laughing at it, actually.

00:18:21.060 I mean, whatever, maybe that was trending Twitter's algorithm.

00:18:24.000 But, yeah, it was just this type of rhetoric, which, you know, said from one perspective can be powerful, but said from these perspectives of people who just voted for the GOP, told everyone they must vote for the GOP, told everyone that the GOP was headed in the right direction.

00:18:43.780 And, indeed, like three weeks ago, told everyone that Brian Kemp was, you know, a badass.

00:18:49.720 He was, you know, based.

00:18:53.060 And it's just, there's just a kind of silliness to it where you just don't take it seriously.

00:18:58.400 And then the normies are actually outpacing the American nationalist, and the normies are declaring secession is in the offing.

00:19:09.760 Rush Limbaugh actually talked about this on his program, and that was widely circulated.

00:19:13.280 And then he had this retraction of sorts, which was just total cowardly nonsense, like, well, I don't support secession, but people are talking about it.

00:19:24.160 You know, this kind of, you know, it's, you know, it's like, I don't think that aliens abducted Princess Diana, but people are talking about it.

00:19:31.620 You know, it's like, you know, stick up, stick, you know, stick to your position.

00:19:37.920 Don't put it off on vague other people talking.

00:19:42.500 But, anyway, so you have that.

00:19:44.660 Texas, I think it's like Allen West, another blast from the past, this kind of based African-American conservative from the Tea Party era was, like, saying that the law-abiding states must, you know, get together in a political union.

00:19:57.980 And I guess my perspective on this is twofold.

00:20:06.140 First off, this demonstrates just how extreme polarization is getting, where you are just totally dehumanizing the other person, and this whole political community can't really last.

00:20:18.720 The other aspect of this is that I've heard this before, and so have you.

00:20:24.220 During 2009, during the kind of beginnings of the Tea Party era, and it was this combination of things.

00:20:33.620 It was a stock market crash and major unemployment, plus Obama as a new president, and it was, it ginned up this kind of extreme rhetoric, which you would hear at the Tea Party.

00:20:45.980 So, if you listened to a lot of Tea Party speakers, it became, you know, anarcho-capitalism, basically.

00:20:55.960 It was like a Ron Paul type thing.

00:20:58.880 And there were, you know, Rick, who was the governor of Texas before Abbott?

00:21:04.140 Rick Perry openly talked about secession, you know, in his way, you know, during a Tea Party rally.

00:21:10.200 Like, well, we might want to think about, you know, leaving this old union and supporting the Constitution in a new, you know, confederacy, so to speak. 0.99

00:21:20.020 You know, this kind of bullshit. 0.99

00:21:22.240 I've heard this before. 1.00

00:21:23.740 We've heard this 10 years ago.

00:21:25.080 Nothing happened, and it all just kind of, you know, flowed into Republican electioneering in a year and a half.

00:21:34.920 And then the other thing I would say, and, you know, I don't, we don't need to dwell on this, but, I mean, I am someone who takes this stuff seriously, and maybe autistically, but they're just not going to let you go.

00:21:51.640 You know, like, America is a global financial empire.

00:21:57.640 They don't just let you leave because you want to, or you're voting to do so.

00:22:04.400 Like, if you are going to actually secede, if you actually take your word seriously, and you're not just bullshitting or LARPing, then you are going, you're going to probably have to fight for this, and you are going to likely be killed for this.

00:22:20.560 So, just saying, I don't think any of these people are actually serious.

00:22:25.440 I think they're just bullshitting in the only way that they know how.

00:22:29.400 But at the same time, you know, when you use this language, you need to back it up.

00:22:36.620 I don't talk about secession because I'm not going to lie to someone, and I'm not going to urge someone to engage in an action that will, in all likelihood, lead to their destruction.

00:22:50.820 I mean, a major empire, this is not like the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

00:22:55.840 You know, a major empire is not going to reduce its borders or rump states just on a whim because people want to or something.

00:23:04.360 About the secession issue, like I was saying, me and you have more experience.

00:23:07.200 So, we clearly remember how after Mitt Romney lost for two months there before Obama was re-inaugurated for a second term.

00:23:15.300 There was a huge temper tantrum amongst conservatives who said they were going to secede from the union.

00:23:20.520 Remember, they did all the secession petitions, and hundreds of thousands of them signed secession petitions saying they were going to secede from the union.

00:23:29.680 And then they just said no, and it faded and went away.

00:23:35.400 So, that's kind of how I'm approaching this.

00:23:38.260 I mean, the last time Romney lost, we saw the exact same thing, all this, we're going to secede from the union.

00:23:44.160 And that's probably just – in my view, it's probably just anger.

00:23:47.780 It's probably just lashing out.

00:23:49.240 There's probably nothing really to it.

00:23:51.060 I would love to be surprised, given my opinion on the subject.

00:23:56.780 But after four years, after four years of Trump, I'm like the most cynical – I'm Mr. Blackfield.

00:24:07.140 So, I'm the most cynical Blackfield person you'll meet on the internet. 0.67

00:24:11.800 So, I just don't think – I mean, this whole secession thing – and the funny thing is, a lot of this is coming from the American nationalists.

00:24:17.680 Because they're out there coon-watching. 1.00

00:24:20.040 They're for seceding from the union now.

00:24:23.040 They're for destroying the Republican Party.

00:24:26.220 Like, where have you been for the last four years?

00:24:29.580 Right.

00:24:29.820 I was called a cringe blackfield wignet for saying all these things years ago.

00:24:35.840 And now they're out there doing it.

00:24:37.460 The difference is that you were criticizing Trump.

00:24:40.920 So, you were basically saying you – Trump has to have responsibility to this.

00:24:45.540 These people are basically saying if only the pope knew about the wickedness of his bishops, if only the emperor knew about the wickedness of his feudal lords.

00:24:55.220 They're basically playing this game where Trump is somehow innocent, and the GOP isn't fighting hard enough for him, and the GOP isn't doing this.

00:25:04.740 So, we're going to secede on the basis of Trump.

00:25:08.140 And that's the difference, basically.

00:25:11.580 The whole – do you remember the whole optics thing?

00:25:14.600 Of course.

00:25:14.760 The whole optics thing was the whole – I mean, in hindsight, we can look back on this three years later.

00:25:19.520 And the whole optics thing was totally about them wanting to support Trump.

00:25:23.940 That is all it was about.

00:25:25.680 Like, they came up with the slur wignet, which we adopted – some of us adopted ironically.

00:25:31.440 Because it's funny.

00:25:34.220 Like, the people – some of the people who are closest to those people, like Beg to Laska, who I was – we were just laughing at yesterday, how he was going around Phoenix.

00:25:43.040 Oh, my God.

00:25:43.620 He was going around Phoenix, flashing a copy of Mein Kampf. 0.65

00:25:47.940 This guy is a menace to society. 0.59

00:25:51.940 He's going around macing people whose – and he has, like, two mentally ill schizophrenic girlfriends, one of whom is on the – if I understand it, is on the way to D.C. to stop the steal from Arizona. 0.98

00:26:06.700 And he's exploiting these young women for clicks on his thing.

00:26:14.920 He's going around, and he's gone – he's maced, like, six or seven people for clicks on his live streams in the last few months.

00:26:22.360 And the guy's just spun out of control.

00:26:24.620 And, you know, it's funny.

00:26:26.200 Like, it occurred to me, and I was thinking about this.

00:26:28.520 It's like, this is where they came up with the slur wignet. 0.95

00:26:30.480 Because here's a guy who is a failed rap artist, who has a mullet, who engages in the trashiest behavior. 0.99

00:26:40.460 An actual wigger, yeah. 1.00

00:26:42.240 I mean – 0.96

00:26:42.560 Yeah, and a literal actual wigger, right? 1.00

00:26:45.580 And he has been good.

00:26:49.440 He has been at all the stop-the-still rallies.

00:26:51.280 I think he was just in – he was just with Nick Fuentes and his crowd last weekend in Pennsylvania when they all went up there and they had their – so, like, this whole optics thing was totally about, like – Trump, remember – I mean, they said for years people were bad optics because they didn't believe that Trump was going to save America, and they were against America.

00:27:16.100 Now they're all screaming, we're going to secede, and then for years, if you held any kind of rally, that meant that you were a federal agent.

00:27:27.420 And – but now that Trump has lost the election and Joe Biden is about to be inaugurated, they're out there saying we need to actually be out there in the streets fighting with Antifa like they were doing last night in D.C.

00:27:41.000 It was –

00:27:41.700 Although Antifa was really absent last night.

00:27:45.060 Yeah.

00:27:45.240 I – again, I was – I'm taking care of the kids at the moment, but I was kind of paying attention somewhat passively.

00:27:54.500 But there were weirdly – Proud Boys were out in force in D.C., and there was – there were weirdly very little skirmishes with Antifa.

00:28:03.240 I wonder if Antifa almost has moved on in a way.

00:28:07.280 Yeah, I would assume so.

00:28:09.300 I mean the fascist threat is – I mean the real action came from the Supreme Court who completely destroyed any hope that Trump was going to swing the election. 0.98

00:28:20.360 So all the stuff that we were – all the stuff that we were bombarded with for years about optics was just totally, totally pro-Trump crap. 0.93

00:28:32.680 There was nothing – there was nothing of substance ever to it. 0.85

00:28:36.440 All it was was people who wanted to hover – how did you say it?

00:28:43.100 Hold his beer, blend in like the wallpaper, travel in his exhaust for three years to this dead end.

00:28:51.280 And remember, we always said it was going to be a dead end, and now we're finally at the dead end.

00:28:57.800 And what do they have to show for it, right?

00:28:59.980 Look at all the chaos they caused.

00:29:01.700 They didn't reform the GOP.

00:29:05.960 The GOP used them and chewed them up and spit them out.

00:29:09.660 Now they're like, we're going to destroy the GOP after voting for it twice in the last two years.

00:29:15.380 Three – I'm sorry, three times.

00:29:16.740 If anything, if Georgia – if the Georgia Senate races do go Democrat, and they might very well, because, I mean, in most all cases, the incumbents have like a huge advantage and a runoff because people aren't paying attention and the voting levels descend.

00:29:34.060 But not this year.

00:29:35.740 I mean, this is like – I mean, the liberals are saying like the future of the republic is at stake, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:42.120 And so, I mean, polling is indicating that it's either going to be close or the Democrats are going to pull it off.

00:29:49.160 So we'll see.

00:29:51.180 I'm – I don't know.

00:29:52.980 I'm skeptical.

00:29:53.520 I think it will be close.

00:29:54.560 We'll see what happens.

00:29:55.560 I might make a prediction, but I'll have to look at some more factors.

00:29:59.200 But if those do flip to the Democrats, and they – so it's now – that would make it a 50-50 Senate, and then Kamala Harris would have the deciding vote. 1.00

00:30:07.640 So all the Republicans are going to do is blame those people.

00:30:12.080 Like, you know, like the Red Elephants guy or Fuentes or whatever, they're the ones saying – and people bigger than those guys, like Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, all these people are going to be thrown under the bus in short order.

00:30:27.500 Like, they'll be used when they're useful, and the GOP can kind of like go on Twitter and be like, we ain't backing down.

00:30:35.080 Like, you know, the Kraken will be released or whatever.

00:30:38.480 Like, you know, we support our people out in the streets, our streets.

00:30:42.840 You know, the GOP – literal GOP official Twitter can do that.

00:30:46.480 But the second it's, like, bad optics, so to speak, or it's harming their chances in the Senate, is the just – the second that all of those people are cast aside.

00:30:58.380 And for kind of good reason as well.

00:31:01.240 Like, you're not helping anymore, guys.

00:31:04.160 And, like, this is not what we want.

00:31:06.200 I mean, oh, what is it?

00:31:07.220 Rona – what of her name?

00:31:09.000 Is Mitt Romney's daughter-in-law or whoever she is? 0.63

00:31:10.960 Rona – I can't remember her name.

00:31:12.560 Yeah, Rona McDaniel.

00:31:14.300 Rona McDaniel.

00:31:14.980 Like, they were getting this thing from her.

00:31:17.580 And so she was – out of one side of her mouth, she'd be like, this election was stolen.

00:31:22.160 Trump won by a landslide.

00:31:23.320 And then people will ask her, like, well, should we not vote then?

00:31:26.840 Because no one wants to take part in the fraud again.

00:31:29.620 And she's like, no.

00:31:32.160 Good vote.

00:31:32.700 She was the one – I mean, I found the video clip, and I've put it on my website.

00:31:38.280 She was the one who said that ethnocentric whites had absolutely no place in the Republican Party.

00:31:43.600 They were racist and that they did not – they absolutely did not want our votes and to not vote for them because if we voted for them, that Republican Party leaders would denounce us.

00:31:54.100 And a lot of us got the message and said, okay, well, we won't then.

00:31:58.100 We'll just stay home and watch this catastrophe.

00:32:00.680 And now they're like – now because we didn't show up to vote for them, they're screaming, it's fraud, it's fraud, it's fraud.

00:32:08.220 And so anyway, one thing we skipped over or I was getting to before I got dropped on the last call is that early on, early on by December 2016, we knew what the agenda was.

00:32:21.420 It was announced in December 2016 that the agenda that Trump was going to work – when he came in with all the wind behind him, he announced that what him and the Republicans were going to do were health care and tax cuts.

00:32:34.220 Which – and there was an article that came out by Julius Klein, that guy who runs the American Affairs Journal.

00:32:42.500 Did you know that those were the two most unpopular policy initiatives of the last 25 years?

00:32:48.360 Like number one and number two, the two most unpopular ideas that were put forth before Congress were repealing – the Obamacare repeal and the tax cuts.

00:32:58.800 And so yeah, that's what he announced he was spending his – and a lot of these candidates were like, well, why were you so Blackfield so early?

00:33:08.100 It's because, okay, well, I'm old enough to remember when Obama was president.

00:33:12.760 And Obama got in there, and he did the stimulus, I think, the Wall Street stuff, and he did health care.

00:33:20.060 And they sunk into that health care black hole, and it lasted for years.

00:33:26.240 And after that point, like Obama got nothing else done except by executive order like DACA.

00:33:33.220 But you only – because Congress and things are so polarized, when you come in and you might have a shot – and this is assuming you even have Congress behind you.

00:33:43.780 And you might get one thing done through budget reconciliation.

00:33:47.800 That's how they got Obamacare passed and the tax cuts was through the budget reconciliation process.

00:33:53.620 So you might have a shot at one major thing coming in, and that's assuming you have the Senate and the House behind you.

00:34:02.680 And I always knew – it's always new that if immigration wasn't at the top of the agenda, then it wasn't going to get done.

00:34:11.300 And so sure enough, I mean, I called this early 2017, and by early 2018, the first two months of 2018, I think when he – was there a government shutdown, you want to say?

00:34:27.480 I think it was the government shutdown.

00:34:29.400 That was early 2019, wasn't it?

00:34:33.540 I'm not sure. It was either early 2018 or 2019.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, I think it was early 2019.

00:34:39.940 Yeah, you're right. You're right.

00:34:41.140 It was early 2019 because they had just done the – or they were trying to build – it was – Trump was going to build the wall, and he was going to get it out of Congress.

00:34:53.880 Right.

00:34:54.340 And he shut the government down.

00:34:55.840 And this was – I mean this was after they lost Roy Moore in the Senate, right?

00:34:59.380 Right.

00:35:00.200 The Alabama Senate race, so they lost that crucial one vote, which gave the true cons in the Senate even more leverage.

00:35:07.020 Yeah.

00:35:08.220 So, I mean, like once that was over, I knew like, okay, for the rest of the Trump administration, it's just – we're just waiting this out three years.

00:35:15.840 And that's pretty much what happened for – well, except for criminal justice reform.

00:35:19.720 They got that done.

00:35:21.180 Yeah.

00:35:21.480 But, yeah, if you don't do that in the beginning – go ahead.

00:35:25.180 You know, highly outside-the-box proposal.

00:35:30.480 And I also recognize that this would also be a difficult thread to needle or needle to thread or whatever the right metaphor is.

00:35:41.660 But, okay, so Trump – in 2015, Trump was asked in a Republican primary debate, do you promise to support whichever Republican candidate you support, who wins the nomination?

00:35:58.620 And Trump said no, you know, in his usual way with his facial expressions.

00:36:02.560 Like, I don't know.

00:36:03.340 We'll see what happens.

00:36:04.200 You know, if it's me, I'll support it.

00:36:05.320 You know, the typical Trump bluster.

00:36:07.260 So Trump announced very early on, and in contradistinction to everyone else on stage, including Rand, Paul, and others, that he wasn't a Republican, in fact.

00:36:19.800 He's Trump.

00:36:20.880 He's running for the Republican nomination, but he might go third party.

00:36:26.060 He might become a Democrat.

00:36:28.000 Who knows?

00:36:28.680 He is a wild card, and you just can't tell which way he'll jump.

00:36:33.500 And that – if he had gone in in 2017 and basically said, I am going to work with Chuck and Nancy and Republicans in the Midwest who have always been kind of centrist and so on, and Democrats like Joe Manchin in the Senate, all of this type.

00:36:54.280 I'm going to create a new center, and I have political capital right now.

00:36:58.840 Now, maybe that political capital is a little botched because he didn't win the popular fair, but he has political capital.

00:37:05.360 He has a real movement.

00:37:06.640 He is what everyone is talking about, and we're going to pursue a national agenda on infrastructure, and that will include, you know, all sorts – that will include environmental protection.

00:37:20.960 That will include a new train system, metro system.

00:37:25.380 That will include the wall on the southern border as part of it, and that will include – or maybe this would have to be done separately, but this will be done accompanied by immigration reform to protect American businesses and workers and all that jazz.

00:37:42.000 And that would have been a better approach, and I grant you that that would have been difficult and were so hotly polarized that maybe it's impossible.

00:37:52.640 Fair enough.

00:37:53.240 But we tried the GOP approach, and the GOP approach with Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House was, like, gut – incoherently gutting Obamacare and tax cuts.

00:38:06.080 That led to 2018, that led to lower approval ratings, that led to just hatred, that led to kind of cutting off the kind of more intelligent, serious, and independent aspect of the Trump coalition, which included people like you and me.

00:38:23.100 And that's what you got.

00:38:24.520 That can't win.

00:38:25.920 And attempting to transcend polarization, as difficult as that is, maybe seemingly impossible.

00:38:33.280 This is – you know, politics is the art of the possible.

00:38:34.960 Maybe you need to – maybe you kind of need to try the impossible at one point.

00:38:39.140 That would have been a better strategy.

00:38:41.620 And it would have – it could have actually been maintained regardless of what happened in 2018.

00:38:46.980 And he wouldn't have been basically just doing the bidding of Paul Ryan and company.

00:38:53.400 He would have been kind of, like, changing people's opinions, bringing people into the coalition, maybe kicking and streaming, but bringing them in and kind of reducing the extreme polarization. 0.98

00:39:04.960 That led to, one, his impeachment, which I absolutely never supported and always thought, despite my distaste for Trump, I always thought, bullshit. 0.97

00:39:14.620 Yeah, me too. 1.00

00:39:15.920 Bullshit. 1.00

00:39:16.860 But it led to that. 1.00

00:39:18.560 It led to a loss in 2020.

00:39:21.180 It led to where we are now.

00:39:23.260 Like, why not try something else?

00:39:27.060 Like, other things are possible.

00:39:29.080 Yeah, go ahead.

00:39:29.540 You're getting – you're getting here, like – and I was wanting to talk to you about this, but we need to talk about, like, the American right and what it is, what it precisely it is and our relationship to it.

00:39:43.060 And when you just, you know, got on there, it was right on target.

00:39:46.700 You – there's that faction of the GOP, which, you know, we talked about in the topology surveys.

00:39:53.640 It's always been, you know, that same 13 percent of Americans, 20 percent of people engaged in politics, the core conservatives, the true cons, the business conservatives, the Paul Ryan, you know, the whole GOP, the Heritage Foundation, all that.

00:40:12.020 All of that – those people, right, are the anchor around the right because their views are absolutely – on economics especially and foreign policy are absolutely just out of touch with not only their own voters but with the public at large.

00:40:30.760 Look at the health care thing, right?

00:40:32.500 Yeah, the reason that – you know, the reason the GOP has this disastrous position on health care that's so politically unpopular, which was the reason they lost the 2018 midterms, by the way, is because of that faction of the Republican Party.

00:40:48.780 And it's also that faction of the Republican Party, you know, which thinks a tax cut is the solution to everything, whereas no one else in the country and even in the Republican Party thinks that way.

00:40:59.720 Or also on immigration specifically, they will – the overwhelming majority of Republicans want to restrict immigration.

00:41:08.660 But that part of the GOP, which controls the rest of the GOP, you know, wants the chief labor, like we saw with – you know, when Mike Lee rolled out that bill the other day and not a single senator objected to it.

00:41:22.540 You got this one faction of the Republican Party, this one faction of the American right, these people – you know, the people – I mean what they basically believe in is Israel, number one, number two is free market capitalism, and number three is classical liberalism.

00:41:37.940 That's what they believe in.

00:41:38.800 I mean if you – I've seen – I've been putting it out on Twitter, this political science research, something – people – there was a question was posed to these people.

00:41:46.740 Do you think being European is important to being truly American?

00:41:50.940 Two percent of the free marketers in the survey said that it was important to be European, to be an American.

00:41:57.480 On all these identity questions, they don't have anything resembling a traditional American ethnic identity.

00:42:06.140 They're just people who believe in capitalism.

00:42:07.820 That's what they are.

00:42:09.300 And because of that, you know, if Trump had come in there in 2017 and had stiffed that wing of the party and moved the center of gravity towards the – our wing, more towards the center, then he would have solved a lot of his problems because we're the people who are actually moderate on these issues.

00:42:29.780 I would just put – before I came up on there with you, I just posted your thing about student loan debt, right?

00:42:36.920 Sixty percent of the public – sixty percent of the public supports getting rid of $50,000 of this student loan debt.

00:42:46.000 Thirty percent of Republicans support it.

00:42:48.800 Sixty-eight percent oppose it.

00:42:50.260 Sixty percent of the public – and if you look at it by age of people under the age of 50 years old, two-thirds of the public, two-thirds of everyone under the age of 50 years old says, you know, let's get rid of this problem.

00:43:05.020 It's the same thing with the stimulus check, right?

00:43:07.840 Why in six months have they been able to send out that second stimulus check?

00:43:11.900 And they're haggling – they're currently – right now they're haggling – currently they're haggling over whether it should be $600 or $1,200 like it was last time.

00:43:24.100 And it's because of that wing of the – it's because of that, you know, the Uncle Scrooge wing of the – Scrooge wing of the conservatives.

00:43:35.880 They're the problem.

00:43:36.800 They – even if you look – and this is one of the amazing – one of the amazing things I was looking at.

00:43:42.200 If you look at the – if you look at more moderate centrist Democrats, working-class Democrats, like the reason Hispanics and blacks don't vote for the Republican Party is less to do with – is a lot less to do with these identity politics issues than it just is.

00:43:58.740 They realize that, you know, these people don't want to give us health care.

00:44:02.740 You know, they want to – they want this extreme free market economics.

00:44:10.280 That's why they don't vote for the Republican Party.

00:44:13.580 In fact, if you look at their views on foreign policy, like their views on foreign policy, for example, and trade policy are really no different than our own, right?

00:44:24.600 We're not the group that repulses all these people in the middle.

00:44:27.780 It's these people on the actual far right, which is the whole Paul Ryan crowd.

00:44:31.520 What do you think about that?

00:44:32.740 Yeah, I think that.

00:44:34.220 I have almost no disagreement for it.

00:44:36.720 And I would emphasize the fact that that is, to a large degree, the donor wings, both Israel and free markets.

00:44:46.220 And so you – like, you can say that, you know, more people are talking about immigration.

00:44:52.720 I remember at CPAC, not too long ago, it might have been 2018 or so, you would sometimes get people talking about immigration more than they otherwise would.

00:45:02.740 Although there are some kind of – although there are some kind of examples to that.

00:45:04.720 I can remember that in Jimmy McCain era.

00:45:07.000 But anyway.

00:45:08.320 But yeah, you can talk about that just like you can talk about prayer in school and in Roe v. Wade.

00:45:14.220 And you can talk about it until the cows come home.

00:45:16.460 Like, it's not happening.

00:45:17.780 And these are the decisive factors in that coalition.

00:45:22.940 And that just isn't changing.

00:45:25.280 The other thing that I would add is that the Tea Party wing, which is increasingly the MAGA wing, and this is a – and it's the Proud Boys wing.

00:45:36.340 It is a largely white group.

00:45:41.100 I think it's actually a lot less white than it was 10 years ago during the Tea Party era.

00:45:46.160 And I think that it is much more openly Zionist and openly gay and trans in a weird way than it was even – it's certainly under Mitt Romney.

00:45:58.060 I mean, lady – there's no Lady Romney or like Lady Romney waving an Israel flag.

00:46:03.820 That does not exist in this world.

00:46:05.380 There is a Lady MAGA or Lady Trump.

00:46:08.620 And you do see waving of an Israeli flag at these gatherings in a way that you just did not see that.

00:46:16.480 Now, granted, the party was always pro-Israel.

00:46:19.280 We get that.

00:46:19.820 But just this like wearing it on your sleeve actually is new.

00:46:24.440 And so that thing, right-wing populism, maybe we should come up with another name for it.

00:46:30.840 Like just goofy-ism.

00:46:33.520 It's an implicitly white thing, but it's actually beyond that.

00:46:39.980 This goofiness is also something that is a huge turnoff.

00:46:45.040 And it doesn't really have an ideology.

00:46:47.340 Sometimes it will be quasi-protectionist.

00:46:50.360 Sometimes it will be free market.

00:46:51.900 Sometimes it will be ANCAP. 0.99

00:46:53.820 I mean, it just – it has no brain.

00:46:58.080 It's just a kind of – it has a heart but no brain maybe or it has a stomach but no brain.

00:47:04.760 It's basically theatrical.

00:47:07.420 It's a – it's a performance.

00:47:09.320 And it's a lifestyle choice.

00:47:11.260 Like you buy clothes literally to be a part of it.

00:47:15.360 And it's that.

00:47:17.220 And that is a huge –

00:47:18.260 Fantasy ideology is what it's called.

00:47:19.320 Yeah, that's a huge turnoff.

00:47:23.040 You know, like we kind of liked it maybe a few – four years ago when we were kind of like, all right, these are good people and it's moving in the right direction.

00:47:30.100 Okay, well, overlook silliness.

00:47:32.040 But if all it is is silliness, that too is really – it's a huge turnoff to major voting blocks, including a ton of whites. 0.97

00:47:46.040 It's probably mostly a turnoff to whites. 0.99

00:47:48.840 So this kind of – you're not helping yourself.

00:47:53.580 You are creating a – you're like – it's a short-term fix and it makes you feel good.

00:47:59.200 But there is a hard ceiling on that stuff.

00:48:02.320 Yeah, Sarah Palin's the – you know, one of the originators of this thing. 0.99

00:48:06.140 That – it's fun for a weekend in Washington where you dress up like –

00:48:13.240 Yeah, like Glenn Beck.

00:48:14.860 Yeah, you dress up like a colonial soldier and hold up weird signs.

00:48:19.120 Like it's fun, but it's like it's cosplay and it's a huge turnoff to most people.

00:48:25.320 Well, yeah, let's give a bit of history here because, I mean, this is kind of important.

00:48:29.760 And we remember this throughout the entire Obama administration when they had all this – we had Glenn Beck and everyone dressing up like the Tea Party.

00:48:39.460 And they had all their – they had all the gas and flags. 0.62

00:48:42.400 And, of course, you had Alex Jones out there screaming about Sandy Hook and Jade Helm.

00:48:48.800 And, I mean, I don't know about you, but I really wasn't paying that much close attention to Alex Jones and the whole right-wing populist thing. 0.94

00:48:56.440 And during this whole period, we were far distant from those people, and they just came across as ridiculous.

00:49:06.400 I remember when Obama won the 2012 election, and it was a Paul Joseph Watson who said on Infowars that Obama had used the HAARP weather array to create Hurricane Sandy and to fling it into New York City in order to boost Obama.

00:49:23.340 I don't know. I'm not sure if it was Paul Joseph Watson, but it was one of these people.

00:49:33.560 So before 2016, 2015, we had nothing to do with them.

00:49:37.400 And what happened was when Trump came on, Trump was like, okay, I'm going to build a wall.

00:49:44.040 I'm going to deport all the illegal aliens. 1.00

00:49:46.140 I'm really going to restrict your illegal immigration. 1.00

00:49:48.640 I'm going to – I'm against DREAMers. 1.00

00:49:52.160 He was going to renegotiate our trade agreements when we actually thought that meant that we were actually going to have a more protectionist economic policy that would create jobs at home.

00:50:04.140 He was going to have this huge trillion-dollar infrastructure plan.

00:50:08.320 He was going to – all these foreign wars were huge. 0.99

00:50:10.700 Bush dynasty sucks. 0.99

00:50:12.700 Let's get along with Russia. 0.99

00:50:14.040 I mean he said so many genuinely good things.

00:50:17.060 Yeah, and he was also – and this was a huge thing for me that he was independent – this was a huge thing for me that he was independent of the donor class and self-financing his own campaign to be free of those people because Jeb Bush and Lion Ted and little Marco and all the rest were their –

00:50:34.120 with their puppets, and he was against mainstream – that was another big thing for us.

00:50:38.680 He was against mainstream conservatism, and we saw that, and somehow we ended up aligned with people like Alex Jones and Milo and Nick Fuentes and Andrew Anglin and people like that.

00:50:52.960 And then, of course, over the first two years of the Trump administration, we got disillusioned with it, and they stuck to it.

00:51:02.080 And now you tune in.

00:51:04.360 You go to their websites, and they're all talking about COVID-19 is a massive global conspiracy involving every coroner, every doctor in the United States, every hospital, everyone who's supposedly been infected by the virus,

00:51:19.500 every county health department, every state and local health department in the country is all in on the conspiracy, not to mention the entire world.

00:51:30.660 Bill Gates is coming to vaccinate people and to eject them with a microchip.

00:51:34.740 It's all part of the NWO's plan for – what's it called?

00:51:39.880 What's the latest conspiracy theory?

00:51:41.880 Oh, the Great Reset or something?

00:51:43.360 Yeah.

00:51:43.480 The Great Reset.

00:51:45.180 It's all part of the Great Reset.

00:51:49.360 And then, of course, there was massive voter fraud against Trump, and millions of people – and according to Andrew Anglin, millions of people were going to starve to death from the lockdowns.

00:51:59.440 It's all this – it's gone back completely to how it was before Trump came along.

00:52:03.920 It's all this performative, theatrical nuttiness.

00:52:10.540 Yeah, and Nick Fuentes is in D.C. doing another one of these performative rallies today.

00:52:15.120 I'm sure he's out there ranting and raving.

00:52:17.400 So this goes back to – this is what I was wanting to ask you as well as what I was wanting to talk about today.

00:52:22.660 Why are you so dissatisfied, so disaffected, so disillusioned with the American right after living through the entire George W. Bush presidency,

00:52:32.380 through living through the time they nominated John McCain and then Mitt Romney, and then four years of Donald Trump.

00:52:42.380 It seems like that 20 years is – I keep asking myself, why am I so – I've never – I can't ever remember ever being happy or satisfied with the American right ever.

00:52:54.720 So, like, the problem must be me.

00:52:57.060 I mean, I'm not –

00:52:58.260 Well, this is the way that I would make a distinction.

00:53:05.300 Okay, so it's being pro or anti-system.

00:53:09.680 And let me go on this for a little bit because, okay, you can claim that Paul Joseph Watson is nutty, 0.85

00:53:18.460 but you could also somewhat plausibly claim that Richard Spencer is nutty. 0.88

00:53:25.260 Richard Spencer, he's reading Nietzsche, and he wants some pan-European Roman Empire ethnostate, and this is just nuts.

00:53:34.400 You know, this will never happen.

00:53:35.720 I mean, what's gotten into him?

00:53:37.120 So you could – and that's not – I mean, obviously, I disagree, but that's not, like, a totally incredible statement, you know,

00:53:44.840 that I'm a little nutty or a dreamer or whatever.

00:53:47.620 I'm engaging in dream politics and not real politics.

00:53:50.880 Fair enough.

00:53:52.500 But the distinction really is that I – if I'm going to engage in this, I'm not just in this for, like, a horse race or whatever.

00:54:01.940 I actually want to change the world.

00:54:04.860 I think that we need to change ourselves from the inside out, and I think we need to change ourselves from the outside in.

00:54:10.500 I want to change the world, and that's why I get up in the morning and still do this.

00:54:15.380 You know, otherwise, if it's just, like, endless disappointment, then I probably would, you know, go up and take up gardening or something.

00:54:22.700 But the weird thing about it is that – and we saw Trump, real quick, we saw Trump as changing this.

00:54:30.000 So Trump was this chaotic force who was pushing us towards something – we're not quite sure what it is, but he's pushing us towards something different that's anti-system, that's a dramatic change, and we're just going to take a flyer on this.

00:54:42.600 We're going to put it all on red, you know, our life savings on red, spin the wheel, let's see what happens.

00:54:48.460 That is the mindset of where I was, and that's where most people were.

00:54:52.660 The thing about the people who are in this right now, it's not just that we're black-pilled or we're – I love – my other favorite insult to me is, you're irrelevant.

00:55:02.540 They've been saying that to me for, like, three years, you were irrelevant – well, they're just talking about me, talking about it, like, Spencer said this, Spencer said this, he's irrelevant now.

00:55:11.400 They're like, oh, it's like, what would you do without me? 0.96

00:55:14.360 What would you do without me, you little dorks? 0.97

00:55:17.560 Anyway, again, I digress. 0.81

00:55:20.860 But the main thing is that those people, they have a different dynamic.

00:55:25.260 It's not a dream politics dynamic of pushing towards something else.

00:55:30.780 And, you know, despite our disagreements, I think we're kind of on the same page in that sense.

00:55:35.180 Like, you want something different.

00:55:36.600 You are anti-system.

00:55:38.400 The true con is, functionally speaking, pro-system.

00:55:42.540 Because the true con is there to resist any kind of change, whatever it is, whether it's coming from Spencer, whether it's coming from Kamala Harris, whether it's coming from Julius Evola, whether it's coming from Bill Gates, whether it's coming from Barack Obama.

00:56:00.040 They are, it's a conservative force that is a, it just resists any form of change.

00:56:06.440 The fact that they're claiming things like, there's this great reset coming.

00:56:11.200 And I don't, I apparently don't know the definition of the word reset, because that means reversion to where you were.

00:56:17.580 But no, no, no, no.

00:56:18.880 It's the great resets coming and everything's going to change.

00:56:21.500 And it's going to be all these horrible things that are hypotheticals that they imagine.

00:56:24.680 And what they are functionally doing is defending the status quo.

00:56:30.560 If you are that afraid of change, then you are ultimately going to bat for no change at all.

00:56:38.520 You are defending the status quo functionally.

00:56:41.060 And all of those true cons, as wild and wacky as they can get, you know, Sandy Hook, vaccinations, you know, HAARP, weather program, you know, all this stuff, they're still ultimately Republicans.

00:56:55.080 Like that, that weird, wacky, wild version of the right, it can be fit into the Republican coalition.

00:57:04.400 And we can't, because we don't believe in any of that stuff.

00:57:08.780 And our actual policies are fairly sensible.

00:57:12.700 You know, like when it comes to just immediate policies, like student loans, change the university system, that's an achievable reform.

00:57:19.640 Give me a break.

00:57:20.300 Like, this is what we're about, but we can't fit in because we ultimately are anti-system.

00:57:26.460 We ultimately want a new world.

00:57:28.560 And that doesn't work in the coalition.

00:57:32.100 And we've had it for a moment, but we lost it.

00:57:35.740 And that's the dynamic.

00:57:37.860 Go ahead.

00:57:38.140 Yes, so my theory of the case here is, looking back on the last 20 years, neither of us have ever been like American conservatives in the traditional sense.

00:57:49.140 We're actually moderates.

00:57:52.180 We have some socially conservative views.

00:57:54.780 That means, like, we disagree with the far left on any number of issues, which goes without even saying all their crazy nuttiness about gender and sexuality and all that hatred, that anti-white hatred and stuff on the far left. 0.86

00:58:13.760 And we also, you know, equally disagree with the – see, the system is polarized between all these crazy people on the far left.

00:58:22.480 Like, they show up in one of these studies that I'm looking at.

00:58:26.980 They're called, like, Democrat Independent Liberal Elites.

00:58:30.340 It's like 13 percent – 13, 14 percent of the population that's upper middle class white professionals who live in the suburbs who – yeah.

00:58:40.560 But they also have their own conspiracy theories about climate change and ecological catastrophe, ecological apocalypse.

00:58:51.200 Systemic racism and – yeah.

00:58:52.380 Systemic racism and systematic white supremacy. 1.00

00:58:57.920 They're just as nutty, right? 0.99

00:58:59.560 So we're not those people.

00:59:01.140 And on the other side, you know, where it's polarized, you've got the Charlie Kirk, the Ben Shapiro, the True Cons crowd. 0.72

00:59:10.260 We're actually in the – if you look at where we're at in the electorate, we're actually right in the middle, like to the left of all the conservatives, but to the right of all the crazy – to the crazy liberals.

00:59:21.620 So – and if you look at people in that part of the electorate, it's actually – everyone in that part of the electorate is actually more racially conscious.

00:59:31.360 Did you know that?

00:59:33.060 Black, Hispanics, Asians, and whites who are kind of in the middle are all more identitarian in their own way.

00:59:42.620 That's fascinating, actually.

00:59:43.920 The type of people who voted for Joe Biden and also – or the type of person who – Hispanic who voted for Donald Trump but also voted for, like, a minimum wage increase.

00:59:57.280 And, like, that type of weird voter that you can't quite codify, they are more racially conscious than, you know, like, the far-right, quote-unquote, you know, Paul Ryan type stuff.

01:00:11.440 And also, like, the far-left that has this weird version of racial consciousness where it's, you know, anti-white conspiracy theory, white supremacist conspiracy theory, basically.

01:00:23.200 The absolutely repulsive people who are out there, you know, praying about white supremacy and doing all that weird – all that bizarre, like, post-Protestant, you know, religious rituals after the George Floyd thing.

01:00:38.100 And, you know, a lot of Blacks and Hispanics just looked at that and were just utterly, utterly repulsed. 0.97

01:00:42.980 But, like, if you look at our positions across a whole range of issues, okay, tax cuts on corporations, right, raise taxes, on free trade, for example, on immigration,

01:00:56.280 on a whole range of social issues, which, you know, conservatives are more invested in than we are, on, you know, COVID is a great example of that.

01:01:09.120 Like, how a lot of people on the right just absolutely lost their damn minds over – and descended into this – it seems to descend into, like, this cranky libertarian thing. 0.74

01:01:21.920 Like, you know, look at all those people wearing their muzzles going to Walmart, right? 1.00

01:01:28.100 So, yeah, across a whole range of issues are student loan debt or, you know, our positions are actually, you know, fairly popular, pretty much in the mainstream.

01:01:39.300 Most people are actually not really radical on these issues.

01:01:44.420 And look at a stimulus check, something like 75 percent, we agree with that, send out a second stimulus check.

01:01:53.400 But, like, the true cons, you know, will have some kind of complex ideological nonsense reason to oppose stuff like this.

01:02:01.240 So, like, my position is we've never, like, fit into either the right or the left because we're actually more in the middle.

01:02:09.280 We're actually moderates, not conservatives.

01:02:10.860 That's where we're at, and, you know, occasionally, like Trump, like, you know, once in a blue moon, someone will come on, and we'll get, like, really excited about voting for a Republican, and then we vote for him. 0.99

01:02:23.920 And then quickly we're disillusioned by once that candidate is dragged into the grips of Turning Point USA and CPAC and all the idiots who gather there. 0.98

01:02:36.000 So, yeah, well, when you're in the middle, you get attacked by both sides. 0.89

01:02:41.640 Yeah, but it's amazing because, I mean, we should be like, I mean, when we identify as being right wing, it's not, completely not in the sense, it's not in the, I mean, you know this as well as I do, it's not in the same sense at all as these people who compose the American right.

01:02:59.720 They're right wing in the sense they believe in classical liberalism and free market capitalism.

01:03:06.260 Socialism sucks, and, you know, Israel's the greatest thing ever. 1.00

01:03:09.860 That's what they call the American right, whereas our beliefs on, you know, especially on identity is that's what's right wing about us. 0.98

01:03:19.760 Like, I could sit here and talk for six hours on Southern identity, Southern American history.

01:03:28.920 We talked at length about – look at the huge podcast we did about modernism, right?

01:03:34.500 That's totally – that's our kind of right wing, but it's not the same kind of right wing that these people are.

01:03:41.060 And this misalignment is a source of much frustration.

01:03:44.760 We just never fit in with these people.

01:03:47.540 They don't have a – they don't have a sense of identity like we do.

01:03:51.620 Like I said, 2% of them, 2% of the true crimes believe that being European is important to being American.

01:03:57.560 They are completely modernist, unfortunately, in that question.

01:04:02.220 Yeah.

01:04:03.160 All right.

01:04:03.800 Let me do this because I've got to go back to the kiddos.

01:04:07.180 Some exit questions here.

01:04:10.460 So is this it?

01:04:12.180 Is this actually the final straw in Trump's attempt to stay in office?

01:04:19.400 Or is this, as he tweeted, only the beginning?

01:04:24.180 Is this just going to go on?

01:04:26.540 We're going to hit December 5th – or what is it, 13th or 15th?

01:04:30.380 14th.

01:04:31.680 14th.

01:04:32.240 Okay.

01:04:33.140 So Monday.

01:04:34.720 Tuesday, I think.

01:04:34.760 Tuesday, okay.

01:04:36.320 Okay.

01:04:36.620 This has to end pretty soon for – like it's going to be certified pretty soon.

01:04:44.220 And they are running out of time.

01:04:45.980 But is this it?

01:04:47.340 Or is –

01:04:47.920 This is – it's over.

01:04:48.940 It's over.

01:04:49.440 By Tuesday.

01:04:50.780 By Tuesday, it's over.

01:04:52.080 I mean, he can, you know, do some performance art and pretend like – from Tuesday until the inauguration, he can still do this performance art.

01:05:01.300 Or, you know, he – there's still a chance.

01:05:03.580 There's still a pathway to victory.

01:05:05.280 And it's going to become, like, less and less plausible, especially after, you know, Joe Biden has already been elected by the Electoral College.

01:05:11.500 So –

01:05:11.960 I'll just say this.

01:05:12.960 You're not going to –

01:05:13.880 Yeah, I'll just say this.

01:05:15.700 As the Supreme Court nuclear option is no longer on the table, I'm just going to say it.

01:05:23.780 And I'm not predicting it.

01:05:25.260 I'm just going to say it.

01:05:26.020 But maybe a literal nuclear option is in the sense of he still is president, and he sees this thing going down, and maybe this is the time to do all that Iran stuff while people are looking the other way and while he only – while time is limited and so on.

01:05:46.420 And, I mean, I don't think that's going to happen, but I think it's now kind of weirdly more possible.

01:05:54.120 And it went from, like, less than 1% to maybe, like, 2%.

01:06:00.380 I mean, so obviously I think 98% of chance it's not going to happen.

01:06:03.620 But I'm just saying that as he – we're going to see what – who he really is and what he's really about in the next few weeks.

01:06:14.780 And I think it's possible that we'll see, like, the very, very worst aspects of what Trump was ultimately about.

01:06:23.960 Yeah.

01:06:24.740 Assuming he doesn't want to run again in 2024 and is deterred by that.

01:06:28.860 Right.

01:06:29.400 Or assuming he does want to run again in 2024.

01:06:31.800 Yeah, that might be restraining – yeah, this fantasy – this fantasy of taking revenge and beating Joe Biden and coming back in 2024 might prevent him from, you know, just going full mega and attacking Iran. 0.64

01:06:44.440 Yeah.

01:06:44.900 Well, what we learned – I mean, and this is a mainstream media meme from four years ago, but I wonder if it was actually true.

01:06:52.820 And that is that Trump went to the – what is the press gala, the White House Reporters Gala, or whatever it's called, in 2012.

01:07:04.980 And Barack Obama read out some jokes against Trump, basically anti-birth certificate jokes.

01:07:14.380 Yeah.

01:07:15.380 And that just really got his goat.

01:07:18.140 And from then on, it was like, all right, I'm too –

01:07:21.060 There was a whole article about that.

01:07:22.260 No one insults me like that.

01:07:24.060 I mean, I don't know.

01:07:25.920 Maybe – I mean, it might be a catalyst and not a cause, but I don't think we should underestimate it.

01:07:30.040 And so this, like, personal revenge, I must, like, I must defeat Joe Biden.

01:07:35.280 We're both pushing 80, but, like, mano a mano in the ring.

01:07:40.020 Like, he – this might be what motivates him to continue.

01:07:45.020 Again, maybe that will lead to terrible things.

01:07:46.780 Maybe it can lead to not so bad things.

01:07:49.260 Maybe this will lead to him being semi-generous and leaving.

01:07:53.360 But maybe it might actually –

01:07:54.040 What do you think –

01:07:54.720 I don't know.

01:07:55.860 One quick –

01:07:56.900 Yeah.

01:07:57.140 We had a question to you.

01:07:58.040 What do you think about the possibility of Ivanka running for Senate against Marco Rubio and Laura Trump?

01:08:07.100 And Laura Trump voting – running for Senate in North Carolina.

01:08:11.680 I've heard both possibilities floated.

01:08:15.060 Yeah.

01:08:15.900 I mean, I can see it.

01:08:17.180 I think Ivanka probably imagines herself as this weird center that she's not.

01:08:23.720 And I think she imagines herself occupying a center, which she doesn't, because she's the non-vulgar racist Trump, and she looks like the kind of person you would invite to your cocktail party or who you would see at your country club. 0.99

01:08:38.500 But that just is not going to fly.

01:08:42.640 But we'll see about that.

01:08:45.500 I could see that.

01:08:46.660 Laura Trump is a little bit different, because she's more – she kind of reads more like a – or is it Laura Trump or Laura?

01:08:53.880 I forgot.

01:08:54.660 Laura.

01:08:55.280 Laura.

01:08:55.700 Laura.

01:08:56.300 Is it Eric's wife?

01:08:57.920 I think it's Eric's wife.

01:08:59.100 Yeah.

01:08:59.440 And she kind of reads more as like a suburban mom.

01:09:04.080 And so I think she's –

01:09:05.220 More like a normal, conservative.

01:09:06.400 Yeah.

01:09:07.080 And so I think that might actually be a different case.

01:09:10.900 I think Ivanka is just utterly toxic and – 1.00

01:09:14.600 Fantasy. 0.69

01:09:15.180 No base.

01:09:15.940 She's not going anywhere.

01:09:17.040 I think the best way to say it is she thinks she occupies a middle that she does not occupy.

01:09:22.420 And when you don't understand yourself, you can –

01:09:25.700 I got a good question.

01:09:26.960 Now that it's all over, the fat lady sings on Tuesday, and Biden is elected by the electoral college.

01:09:34.180 Are we finally going to see Holly 2024 launch?

01:09:37.840 We speculated about this.

01:09:41.720 Holly Cotton Tucker.

01:09:44.220 That is basically the I am Trumpism. 0.99

01:09:48.520 I've supported Trump, but I'm not going to – there's not going to be a grabber by the pussy leaked audio tape on me. 0.99

01:09:56.960 Although a little bit less so with Tucker, because there's some leaked audio of Tucker, you know, mid-2000s shock jockeying, basically, and saying, you know, the Iraqis are barbarian savages or whatever. 0.98

01:10:09.780 So you have that.

01:10:11.180 But, yeah, there are going to be some people who are going to try to occupy that.

01:10:15.900 And I think they can occupy that, because my assessment is that Trumpism is actually longer-lasting than Trump himself.

01:10:26.760 I could see Trump fading.

01:10:28.540 But, like, the Tea Party, MAGA, Sarah Palin, goofy right, like, that is a long-standing thing of multiple decades.

01:10:38.560 And it's not ending.

01:10:41.020 Sadly.

01:10:41.420 Sadly.

01:10:41.480 Sadly.

01:11:08.560 However, if he didn't realize that Trump has a new rule, it's the path.

01:11:10.080 But the انiygy were taken by the right two figures at the auction of town, so he wasn't actually rκ.

01:11:13.220 So, as people would try to recall that Trump had to take more time.

01:11:18.560 But there was a sign of theVIN09 was a pretty much joking idea of saying that Trump had algunas choses rather than Trump's comparing.

01:11:21.560 But, like, i've told him that Trump has become more in a Rome, and there's not gonna end.

01:11:23.200 Well, none of them are going to be ready for peux.

01:11:24.700 Not many of them have said that Trump has come to win.

01:11:25.720 It seems ratingsadorown.

01:11:26.860 Yeah, this would be something that they would adopt not.

01:11:28.280 I know they are being like him so they're rusty in his life.

01:11:31.420 Yeah, they'd be setting.

01:11:32.660 And I'll just throw it in him for a reason that this is what it would interest pat

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RadixJournal - December 15, 2020

Libtards Victorious

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