RadixJournal - Live with Richard Spencer

00:00:00.000 everyone i hope you're doing well this is a very late night's dream but i did want to get a lot of

00:00:11.360 my initial thoughts out about the charlie kirk assassination that occurred today and we're gonna

00:00:20.800 have our show as usual tomorrow and uh our frequent guest old buddy of mine jf will be on there on for

00:00:34.080 our usual thursday night show and um you know jf has a lot of experience in politics in this movement

00:00:43.540 if we want to call it that and so there's a lot to be said but i just wanted to get my thoughts out

00:00:52.740 initially um though first off the first layer of the onion it was uh pretty traumatic it was shocking

00:01:07.320 to say the least um i was not a fan of charlie kirk i i think you could safely say that i couldn't

00:01:18.840 stand charlie kirk i did not benefit from his commentary etc etc etc etc but uh when this

00:01:33.820 murder came over my timeline i was shocked and my sympathy just began pouring

00:01:42.460 out i had a tremendous amount of

00:01:51.420 love for him and and fear for what seemed to be happening and sympathy for his family

00:02:01.880 uh so there's that there's just the shocking thing of a murder being broadcast live for everyone to see

00:02:13.020 and for it to be broadcast in graphic detail

00:02:16.680 i mean there was the trump assassination attempt but he of course survived that

00:02:23.280 and it was almost immediately apparent that he had survived i'm not sure anything really compares to the scene

00:02:33.520 of charlie engaging with a

00:02:37.280 a questioner at a college campus and the next moment blood is gushing out of his neck

00:02:45.920 simply horrifying but you all know this and i imagine that

00:02:53.280 you feel the same way as i do and it's important

00:02:58.540 and to talk about other aspects of this whole case

00:03:03.160 um first off

00:03:05.880 i'm really conflicted in terms of whether we should speculate about this at all

00:03:12.880 now more information is going to come out no doubt tomorrow

00:03:16.420 and to be honest

00:03:18.560 24 hours later i think we could basically assume that he's

00:03:25.840 got away scot-free

00:03:28.220 thinking about it processing all of this stuff

00:03:34.440 i do think that this scene this was a professional job

00:03:39.380 i get a very strong impression that this was a professional job

00:03:45.100 that this wasn't just some lone nut taking a pot shot

00:03:50.480 now that doesn't mean that this was done by the cia or or whatever or foreign entities

00:04:00.520 israel russia etc it doesn't mean that

00:04:04.100 i i just think it's safe to say that this person either had military training or

00:04:11.720 professional sniper training of some kind

00:04:15.480 first off the shot was dead on and it was a kill shot

00:04:20.700 uh and there was one shot

00:04:24.920 brooks firing at trump he fired off a number of times killed some bystanders miss trump etc

00:04:32.600 this was one and done and the assassin we have video of him escaped

00:04:39.920 uh kirk was hit in the neck

00:04:44.900 maybe that was what the assassin was aiming for

00:04:49.800 i saw some speculation about the the bullet deflecting off the um

00:04:54.460 uh some sort of kevlar vest i i don't

00:04:58.240 buy that actually i it sort of does look that way but

00:05:01.860 the angle is all wrong if you're thinking he's firing from above etc i i think he was

00:05:06.900 i think the bullet hit the target now perhaps because he was high uh he was aiming for a headshot

00:05:16.220 and he hit the neck gravity pulled the bullet a little bit

00:05:19.440 very possible perhaps he was going for the jugular

00:05:23.560 as the phrase goes and um no doubt it was a it was a fatal blow immediately

00:05:30.240 uh so my first impression again is that this person had some sort of military

00:05:38.020 and professional training

00:05:40.620 now my my next thoughts on this are

00:05:47.780 i guess maybe sort of contradict what i just said

00:05:52.500 there has been a lot of speculation about charlie kirk was killed by israel

00:06:01.520 i don't and that that seems to be the major speculation that's going on on the timeline

00:06:07.320 uh i don't buy that in the slightest and there was a a tweet from a few months ago

00:06:14.880 by harrison smith of info wars where he was saying oh charlie told me that if he turned on israel israel

00:06:21.540 would kill him or something and i saw a number of tweets they were getting a lot of

00:06:26.500 it was secretly going against israel and so on

00:06:32.160 first off i don't buy this in the slightest bit i have been around right wingers for a long time now

00:06:38.740 and i if i had a nickel for every time i heard

00:06:44.000 that someone who is a mainstream

00:06:47.800 hack like charlie was

00:06:50.200 sorry to speak a little bit ill of him but i i think that that's accurate

00:06:54.440 was secretly based and secretly knew all the truth and

00:07:00.020 it was only a matter of time before he turned on his paymaster

00:07:04.300 i i just if i had a nickel for every time i've heard that one i would be

00:07:08.360 a very rich man i don't buy it i right wingers talk this way and it doesn't have a lot of meaning

00:07:14.760 in my humble opinion um secondly if we we give any credence to this notion

00:07:23.960 uh i i don't think that that massad or israel would have killed charlie kirk in such

00:07:32.280 a spectacular manner the fact is you made this man into a martyr you made this man into a symbol

00:07:41.100 it just he will be more powerful in death than he was while alive i i just simply don't buy it

00:07:50.800 i don't buy that charlie kirk was anything other than a good friend of israel i think that is very

00:07:58.940 clear and i don't think israel would have done this some other speculation now and this is just

00:08:07.480 pure speculation um if you do think that this is a professional job done by a foreign entity

00:08:16.340 would be uh russia and why i say that and i i i understand that you know the russia russia russia

00:08:26.380 can get old just blaming russia for everyone everything um is that it fits with a certain

00:08:34.220 propaganda strategy of the kremlin and that is not propaganda in the way that you're used to it

00:08:44.180 that is posters saying you know uncle sam wants you to buy war bonds or something russian propaganda

00:08:51.840 is more about spreading chaos it's about putting normal people into this kaleidoscope where they

00:09:00.960 don't know what's up and what's down and what's real and what's fake and what's left and what's right

00:09:06.780 and there's no doubt that this sort of act can do that to people and it can inspire the worst

00:09:16.500 on the left we've definitely seen that on twitter there have been

00:09:19.960 celebrating his death uh it can inspire craziness on the right as well it can inspire a kind of

00:09:28.060 overreach on the right another trend that i've noticed on the timeline is right wingers basically

00:09:33.940 saying like this is it this is war and the in the words of libs of tiktok we're going full fascism now

00:09:40.260 we can never allow the left to not be in prison or something like this you know uh they are violent

00:09:47.840 fascists and so the only protection against them is fascism of course of the most violent kind

00:09:52.940 uh so basically a lot of people are taking the bait as it were and they're getting

00:09:59.460 put on an edge they're get they're getting anxious and nervous they're they're losing their minds

00:10:07.040 because of this and in that sense i wonder if this could be thought of as a kind of propaganda

00:10:17.480 effort in a way um another thing and this is a a tweet that i tweeted out from um someone actually

00:10:26.240 from texas monthly of all places but he was uh recounting a story that is true which is that

00:10:33.960 charlie kirk throughout his career has been basically loathed by the far right and here

00:10:41.680 he's referring to the gripers in particular i mean i couldn't stand charlie kirk as well

00:10:47.600 uh but i never really fixated on him i just sort of dismissed him uh the griper war occurred i guess

00:10:57.420 seven years ago now wow time flies when you're having fun and it was really an attempt of the

00:11:05.520 nick fuentes people to isolate charlie kirk as the enemy and basically say that he's cocked he's

00:11:14.800 ruining the movement he doesn't understand trump etc etc so i don't think it's totally out of the realm

00:11:24.000 of possibilities that the shooter might very well become a right winger and i i we sense a little

00:11:34.980 bit of this with crooks crooks donated that is the the young man who um attempted to assassinate

00:11:41.460 donald trump uh july of 2024 he donated to democrats he was uh called right wing by people who knew him

00:11:51.420 we know next to nothing about him but there there does seem to be that quality of him who knows

00:11:57.200 exactly but all i'm saying is that i in in within the realm of possibilities is this going to be a

00:12:06.220 situation where a right winger was directly attacking uh charlie kirk certainly possible

00:12:14.580 more likely is this that it is what it is what you think this was all about is what it's about

00:12:26.200 this is a person with a left-wing ideology but but i think the left-wing ideology is is not the primary

00:12:33.620 cause i think this person would be profoundly narcissistic someone who feels that he it's most

00:12:43.300 likely he has never been appreciated throughout his life and they'll know my name now they'll listen to

00:12:52.180 me now finally at last and he did this and ideology is a sort of justification in a way for an act that

00:13:04.940 is ultimately derived from profound narcissism and uh i could see this being a uh you know vausch supporter

00:13:14.300 or um uh hazan that's his name watcher we've already had a situation where one of his fans was accused of

00:13:25.520 terrorism um and and that's how it goes on the internet isn't isn't it that you

00:13:33.580 you're streaming video games and you're talking politics and there's just this natural tendency

00:13:40.780 to be as extreme as possible they're not they're not very many middle of the road centrist democrats

00:13:48.780 who are popular online who are in discord forums who are streaming video games the the name of the

00:13:59.060 the game is to either go full leninist communist or full nazi fascist that that's how it goes there's

00:14:06.580 just a tendency for this to happen and um so i could also imagine this being some sort of leftist

00:14:15.840 assassin uh that is probably most likely if i'm to think about it someone who's watching all these

00:14:23.560 things you know when someone on cnn calls trump a fascist they are sort of putting their tongue in

00:14:31.720 their cheek i i think they do have genuine concerns about overreach of government uh destroying

00:14:39.200 long-standing institutions authoritarianism i think those concerns are genuine but i i don't think

00:14:45.240 they believe that trump is literally hitler in this sense i think people who watch vausch do

00:14:52.200 actually they think charlie kirk is much like these goofballs for men for a worse they believe that 0.97

00:15:02.100 charlie kirk is secretly an anti-semite and secretly uh wants to round up all non-whites and put them 0.93

00:15:12.220 into camps or something i i think they actually believe this and uh someone again who's maladjusted

00:15:21.320 anti-social obviously and someone who gets lost in these forums and watching social media all day

00:15:31.120 extremely online as they say could have done this i i think that's well within the realm of possibilities

00:15:37.980 and i think that's probably most likely but we'll see um we'll there is a possibility this man is going

00:15:47.740 to get away with it and that would make everything much worse because it would add this layer of

00:15:55.720 ambiguity to the situation that would resemble the jfk assassination where you know everyone has two

00:16:02.020 opinions and and it's just uh it can never be resolved really i think that's very possible um

00:16:10.640 from the standpoint of a left liberal charlie kirk was a fascist charlie kirk was baby hitler 0.99

00:16:23.120 that you need to kill in the crib 1.00

00:16:25.780 on the right who are online basically take charlie kirk as a pushover as a cuck 0.99

00:16:39.140 as the alt light maybe not even that as sort of representative of everything that they hate

00:16:46.560 about the gop that's not the perspective of outsiders and into it to try to understand what

00:16:53.880 just happened you have to put yourself in the shoes of those people you can't just be like well

00:16:58.860 charlie kirk had a gay black guy at one of his rallies or uh you know charlie kirk said something

00:17:06.360 nice about blm once or whatever that all of that is immaterial charlie kirk is a powerful influencer

00:17:15.160 deeply connected with the trump system with trump world and that is how he's viewed by most liberals

00:17:24.580 and leftists they don't get the nuance or they don't hear the criticisms online they see him for what

00:17:33.080 he is which is a kind of front man of the trump regime um charlie kirk is a fascinating figure in

00:17:42.840 this regard in the sense that i i you know i wonder if he ultimately won the griper war and what i mean

00:17:52.920 by that is that charlie kirk as i mentioned was isolated as a representative of the establishment

00:18:02.860 back in 2018 and 2019 he was called a cock people at q a sessions were yelling at him and waving rosary 0.96

00:18:13.460 beads at him and you know how does gay sex help the american people and our families and things like 0.98

00:18:22.020 this and so maybe immediately he lost the griper war in the sense that he was being heavily criticized 0.83

00:18:31.520 he was being made fun of and the energy seemed to be on the far right but the the fascinating thing

00:18:39.040 about car charlie kirk what made him not just a republican hack made him more than that in fact

00:18:45.360 was that he was able to absorb excuse me he was able to absorb all of those energies and he was able to

00:18:56.500 absorb anti-covid energies he was able to absorb anti mlk and civil rights energies he was able to absorb

00:19:07.120 white nationalism he was even to a degree able to absorb anti-zionist sentiments anti-israel sentiments

00:19:17.140 he is a truly remarkable man in this regard so his first line of attack when the griper war started 0.99

00:19:29.020 was to push back and basically say you're all losers fuck off we love israel you're not part of this 0.99

00:19:39.000 movement that was successful to a degree but it's more successful to absorb all of these energies 1.00

00:19:46.860 the best opposition is the best opposition is the best opposition is you you can be your own

00:19:53.560 opposition that's operating at a high level of discourse and charlie kirk despite the fact that

00:20:00.900 i didn't find him insightful at all and i i found him off-putting to be honest uh he gained me the

00:20:11.380 uh uh he was operating at a very high level of discourse because he was able to do that

00:20:19.460 and so people would come to tp usa events and they would talk about whether we need to

00:20:28.440 assassinate dr fauci or we need to bring guns to the pharmacy and shoot the vaccines the people 0.99

00:20:38.620 trying to give them give them to us and i'm only exaggerating slightly here there was a lot of hard

00:20:45.380 talk hard right-wing talk going on at tp usa and charlie kirk never really counter-signaled it

00:20:53.700 charlie kirk never he rejected anti-israel sentiment and even anti-semitic sentiment but he sort of

00:21:05.720 did a in run around it and one of the most famous incidents is when he said that israel

00:21:15.420 that was attacked on october 7th 2023 they now get to feel how white people have felt all these years

00:21:25.880 so he's sort of in this way that that that occurs quite often he was sort of creating an amalgamation of

00:21:34.740 the anti-anti-white sentiment and pro-zionist sentiment so you're a racist for israel you're a

00:21:45.200 nazi for the jews in the words of gavin mcginnis he was able to do that and i think that's what 0.95

00:21:50.820 makes him interesting though the liberals have a point when they say that charlie kirk was a racist

00:22:00.160 fascist he wasn't of course on a basic level he's a off-the-shelf b-party activist i think that's

00:22:11.140 where he got his start religious right conservative but what made him different is that he was able

00:22:17.680 to absorb the fuentes energy and in that sense i think he actually won the groyper war

00:22:23.620 some groypers might not want to hear that perhaps they they agree with me perhaps and they think that 0.74

00:22:31.860 they won because they influenced him in this way i have a more of a cynical view being absorbed and

00:22:38.140 having your energy redirected is not necessarily influence

00:22:41.940 so that's what made charlie kirk powerful that's what made charlie kirk interesting now what comes

00:22:54.260 next i there are other people who do what charlie kirk has is doing or did i should say sadly

00:23:04.140 tucker carlson most obviously he clearly wants to absorb alex jones energy and even groyper energy

00:23:13.120 while denouncing nick fuentes but can he replace charlie kirk charlie kirk was 31 and he sort of grew up

00:23:22.040 with the the online right i've seen so many people who claim that charlie kirk was their friend

00:23:31.080 it's a bit incredible actually you know i knew charlie kirk what i think happened is that

00:23:39.280 they talked to him once at a tpus meeting usa meeting and they really felt a connection

00:23:45.120 with this person who was roughly their age 31 they were 20 or even 17 there are a lot of young

00:23:57.000 people who were politically active and they felt a connection with him i don't think that they can

00:24:03.180 feel that connection with me for instance for multiple reasons one of which is that i'm older

00:24:11.060 than they are i don't think they can feel that connection with someone like tucker carlson who's

00:24:15.720 even older than i am so i don't know where the replacement comes from i don't think there is

00:24:24.460 anyone comparable who is as talented as charlie kirk was in his realm now again i didn't really like

00:24:32.900 his commentary i didn't really respect him i guess i had a grudging respect for his political operation

00:24:39.540 in the sense that that was very successful but i don't know if there's someone who's a young person

00:24:48.680 who's wily enough to absorb all of these far-right energies and ultimately push them towards the

00:24:59.140 republican party basically you can be a nut you can believe in ufos you can be anti-semitic for

00:25:07.900 traditionalist catholic reasons you can criticize israel you can be a hardcore libertarian you can think 1.00

00:25:15.840 that the vaccine is just about to kill everyone on earth you can think all of this crazy shit but so 0.99

00:25:22.060 long as you are pushing towards the gop and so long as you are voting for trump you're a-okay by me 0.99

00:25:30.140 that is charlie kirk is there someone else as who has the right you know identity as a young

00:25:41.180 white conservative who can do these kinds of things i don't know i don't know i've also heard

00:25:50.460 that nick fuentes will rise to be the leader of the right i don't think so and i'm not saying that as

00:25:58.520 a criticism i think nick fuentes will continue to grow and the you know article in the new york times

00:26:05.580 was obviously a good step in that direction of notoriety etc but there's a big asymmetry between

00:26:15.400 charlie kirk and nick fuentes nick fuentes is a growth or nick fuentes is our audience is largely

00:26:27.300 organic they are young people they listen to him every night they're live streaming with him they

00:26:37.700 like him they feel connected to him etc charlie kirk really wasn't that charlie kirk was much more

00:26:48.820 of a synthetic creation i do think he was talented at what he did but i don't think charlie kirk

00:26:56.900 could have independently developed the audience that he did charlie kirk was backed by you know

00:27:04.900 billionaires in utah who owned chains of plumbers who would give them millions of dollars to promote

00:27:15.360 the pro-life cause on campus i mean he was connected to that traditional boomer and even silent gen

00:27:23.640 donor base in a way that nick fuentes is not and i don't think nick fuentes ever could be and i mean

00:27:31.860 that as a compliment he's too independent he's too willing to go his own way he's too hardcore you could

00:27:40.500 say in many ways so i don't think that but i also don't have a name of someone who could replace

00:27:50.380 charlie kirk who's coming from that conservative wing they're going to try too hard to be like him

00:27:57.840 you've got to be your own man you've got to go your own way you can't just mimic what other people do

00:28:04.320 and that's basically what i see from conservatives

00:28:08.380 um so in terms of the future of the gop the conservative movement or whatever i i don't know

00:28:18.240 i don't know who's going to replace him i maybe maybe he can't be replaced and it's actually going to be

00:28:24.440 very detrimental

00:28:25.960 um what does this mean for america going forward i i've retweeted a couple of posts that were

00:28:38.880 basically saying we're entering our years of lead the years of lead is more or less italy in the 1970s

00:28:45.380 that included many political politically motivated assassinations a escalation between the far left

00:28:54.320 and the far right former fascists who were funded by the cia and operation gladio which is real

00:29:01.300 communists probably funded by the kremlin i mean it was nasty and i think that that is a good analogy

00:29:11.140 i've heard also the analogy of the troubles in ireland between catholics and protestants there's

00:29:15.920 probably some other analogies as well it's not outright civil war i don't think you're going to

00:29:21.020 wake up tomorrow morning and people are building barricades or digging trenches and fighting over

00:29:28.680 territory i don't think that's going to happen of course but i do think that the political world

00:29:35.040 is going to become nasty i mean does anyone think that this is the end of political violence

00:29:43.220 i mean i can in my own lifetime i can remember this sort of escalation so before 2017 really

00:29:53.240 um antifa were almost like a comical band of weirdos who were kind of funny if anything

00:30:05.040 and you know going to a lot of these conferences etc i remember getting into arguments with antifa

00:30:12.300 throwing insults at one another and it was all sort of good fun in a way now they were obviously

00:30:19.340 nasty but you know it wasn't a big deal and the punching of me was a major wake-up call in january 0.98

00:30:31.400 20th of 2017 because i just walked out there a naive idiot thinking that nothing bad could ever happen 0.98

00:30:43.620 you know you can go sarcastically grin at antifa afraid a few insults and that's it 0.99

00:30:51.520 um i could have been killed in january of 2017 getting hit upside the head by someone running out of a

00:31:00.480 crowd you know i got away with slight damage no big deal but i could have been killed but even that

00:31:11.980 seems like a weekend holiday in comparison to political violence that involves assassinations

00:31:23.260 long guns spectacular deaths caught on camera um i i think it's a very good thing the spotlight is off me

00:31:35.560 uh let's just put it let's leave it at that i don't want to talk too much about this macabre subject

00:31:43.400 i does anyone really believe that we're going to go back or that we're going to reach across the aisle

00:31:54.020 and hold hands and say we all denounce political violence let's move forward together does anyone

00:32:01.460 really think that that's going to happen antifa in this fascinating way is gone antifa

00:32:09.820 i i don't know where they are they weren't present at j6 when there was an actual coup they weren't

00:32:16.940 present and i haven't really seen much of them since maybe they've all od'd on drugs who knows

00:32:27.300 maybe they too have been sort of absorbed into other different formations but what what seems to be

00:32:36.760 coming after antifa is clearly worse and the notion of a profoundly narcissistic radicalized assassin

00:32:52.840 picking off influencers is a pretty terrifying notion um before i go i wanted to reproduce something

00:33:06.740 a a observation that was made by a man named hierarchy who was on a space that i was on

00:33:13.640 and he he said something very interesting about how he believes that this was a left-wing shooter

00:33:21.540 now again i i open-minded about the whole thing it's fine to speculate it can't be bad to speculate but

00:33:31.420 it's fine overall fine to speculate so long as you know you're speculating you don't have this you

00:33:37.280 know confirmed conclusion you know exactly what it is i don't and i'm open to possibilities but i agreed

00:33:45.920 with hierarchy's argument which was this this does have a sort of hallmark of a left-wing shooter in the

00:33:53.740 sense that the left-wing shooter is more likely to go go after a person or an icon or a kind of idol

00:34:03.460 you're more likely to try to kill the czar you're more likely to try to shoot the president or something

00:34:16.340 like that um it has that kind of iconography of left-wing violence you personalize the situation you think

00:34:27.440 that this evil figure is changing the world and needs to be stopped at all all cost i do think that

00:34:38.060 that's a a a sort of left-wing mentality something we can talk about on thursday but does anyone have

00:34:48.220 any questions or comments i'm not going to stay on this too long but someone could actually even come

00:34:56.740 up if he or she wants to

00:35:08.060 all right i guess you guys just wanted to listen which is usually the case uh thank you for being

00:35:15.240 here i'm glad to get these thoughts out i have many more thoughts and we will talk about it on

00:35:21.500 thursday's show we'll see you then all right good night signing off

00:35:38.060 way

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RadixJournal - September 11, 2025

Live with Richard Spencer

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