Live with Richard Spencer
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Summary
In this episode, I discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and whether or not we should speculate about the possibility that he was killed by a member of the far-right wing of the right wing. I also discuss some of the theories that have been circulating about the assassination, and why I don't buy them.
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everyone i hope you're doing well this is a very late night's dream but i did want to get a lot of
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my initial thoughts out about the charlie kirk assassination that occurred today and we're gonna
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have our show as usual tomorrow and uh our frequent guest old buddy of mine jf will be on there on for
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our usual thursday night show and um you know jf has a lot of experience in politics in this movement
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if we want to call it that and so there's a lot to be said but i just wanted to get my thoughts out
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initially um though first off the first layer of the onion it was uh pretty traumatic it was shocking
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to say the least um i was not a fan of charlie kirk i i think you could safely say that i couldn't
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stand charlie kirk i did not benefit from his commentary etc etc etc etc but uh when this
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murder came over my timeline i was shocked and my sympathy just began pouring
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love for him and and fear for what seemed to be happening and sympathy for his family
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uh so there's that there's just the shocking thing of a murder being broadcast live for everyone to see
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i mean there was the trump assassination attempt but he of course survived that
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and it was almost immediately apparent that he had survived i'm not sure anything really compares to the scene
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a questioner at a college campus and the next moment blood is gushing out of his neck
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simply horrifying but you all know this and i imagine that
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you feel the same way as i do and it's important
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and to talk about other aspects of this whole case
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i'm really conflicted in terms of whether we should speculate about this at all
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now more information is going to come out no doubt tomorrow
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24 hours later i think we could basically assume that he's
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i do think that this scene this was a professional job
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i get a very strong impression that this was a professional job
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that this wasn't just some lone nut taking a pot shot
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now that doesn't mean that this was done by the cia or or whatever or foreign entities
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i i just think it's safe to say that this person either had military training or
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first off the shot was dead on and it was a kill shot
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brooks firing at trump he fired off a number of times killed some bystanders miss trump etc
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this was one and done and the assassin we have video of him escaped
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maybe that was what the assassin was aiming for
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i saw some speculation about the the bullet deflecting off the um
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buy that actually i it sort of does look that way but
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the angle is all wrong if you're thinking he's firing from above etc i i think he was
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i think the bullet hit the target now perhaps because he was high uh he was aiming for a headshot
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and he hit the neck gravity pulled the bullet a little bit
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very possible perhaps he was going for the jugular
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as the phrase goes and um no doubt it was a it was a fatal blow immediately
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uh so my first impression again is that this person had some sort of military
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i guess maybe sort of contradict what i just said
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there has been a lot of speculation about charlie kirk was killed by israel
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i don't and that that seems to be the major speculation that's going on on the timeline
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uh i don't buy that in the slightest and there was a a tweet from a few months ago
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by harrison smith of info wars where he was saying oh charlie told me that if he turned on israel israel
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would kill him or something and i saw a number of tweets they were getting a lot of
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first off i don't buy this in the slightest bit i have been around right wingers for a long time now
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sorry to speak a little bit ill of him but i i think that that's accurate
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was secretly based and secretly knew all the truth and
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it was only a matter of time before he turned on his paymaster
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i i just if i had a nickel for every time i've heard that one i would be
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a very rich man i don't buy it i right wingers talk this way and it doesn't have a lot of meaning
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in my humble opinion um secondly if we we give any credence to this notion
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uh i i don't think that that massad or israel would have killed charlie kirk in such
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a spectacular manner the fact is you made this man into a martyr you made this man into a symbol
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it just he will be more powerful in death than he was while alive i i just simply don't buy it
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i don't buy that charlie kirk was anything other than a good friend of israel i think that is very
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clear and i don't think israel would have done this some other speculation now and this is just
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pure speculation um if you do think that this is a professional job done by a foreign entity
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would be uh russia and why i say that and i i i understand that you know the russia russia russia
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can get old just blaming russia for everyone everything um is that it fits with a certain
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propaganda strategy of the kremlin and that is not propaganda in the way that you're used to it
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that is posters saying you know uncle sam wants you to buy war bonds or something russian propaganda
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is more about spreading chaos it's about putting normal people into this kaleidoscope where they
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don't know what's up and what's down and what's real and what's fake and what's left and what's right
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and there's no doubt that this sort of act can do that to people and it can inspire the worst
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on the left we've definitely seen that on twitter there have been
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celebrating his death uh it can inspire craziness on the right as well it can inspire a kind of
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overreach on the right another trend that i've noticed on the timeline is right wingers basically
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saying like this is it this is war and the in the words of libs of tiktok we're going full fascism now
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we can never allow the left to not be in prison or something like this you know uh they are violent
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fascists and so the only protection against them is fascism of course of the most violent kind
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uh so basically a lot of people are taking the bait as it were and they're getting
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put on an edge they're get they're getting anxious and nervous they're they're losing their minds
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because of this and in that sense i wonder if this could be thought of as a kind of propaganda
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effort in a way um another thing and this is a a tweet that i tweeted out from um someone actually
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from texas monthly of all places but he was uh recounting a story that is true which is that
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charlie kirk throughout his career has been basically loathed by the far right and here
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he's referring to the gripers in particular i mean i couldn't stand charlie kirk as well
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uh but i never really fixated on him i just sort of dismissed him uh the griper war occurred i guess
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seven years ago now wow time flies when you're having fun and it was really an attempt of the
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nick fuentes people to isolate charlie kirk as the enemy and basically say that he's cocked he's
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ruining the movement he doesn't understand trump etc etc so i don't think it's totally out of the realm
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of possibilities that the shooter might very well become a right winger and i i we sense a little
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bit of this with crooks crooks donated that is the the young man who um attempted to assassinate
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donald trump uh july of 2024 he donated to democrats he was uh called right wing by people who knew him
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we know next to nothing about him but there there does seem to be that quality of him who knows
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exactly but all i'm saying is that i in in within the realm of possibilities is this going to be a
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situation where a right winger was directly attacking uh charlie kirk certainly possible
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more likely is this that it is what it is what you think this was all about is what it's about
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this is a person with a left-wing ideology but but i think the left-wing ideology is is not the primary
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cause i think this person would be profoundly narcissistic someone who feels that he it's most
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likely he has never been appreciated throughout his life and they'll know my name now they'll listen to
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me now finally at last and he did this and ideology is a sort of justification in a way for an act that
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is ultimately derived from profound narcissism and uh i could see this being a uh you know vausch supporter
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or um uh hazan that's his name watcher we've already had a situation where one of his fans was accused of
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terrorism um and and that's how it goes on the internet isn't isn't it that you
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you're streaming video games and you're talking politics and there's just this natural tendency
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to be as extreme as possible they're not they're not very many middle of the road centrist democrats
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who are popular online who are in discord forums who are streaming video games the the name of the
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the game is to either go full leninist communist or full nazi fascist that that's how it goes there's
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just a tendency for this to happen and um so i could also imagine this being some sort of leftist
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assassin uh that is probably most likely if i'm to think about it someone who's watching all these
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things you know when someone on cnn calls trump a fascist they are sort of putting their tongue in
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their cheek i i think they do have genuine concerns about overreach of government uh destroying
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long-standing institutions authoritarianism i think those concerns are genuine but i i don't think
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they believe that trump is literally hitler in this sense i think people who watch vausch do
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actually they think charlie kirk is much like these goofballs for men for a worse they believe that
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charlie kirk is secretly an anti-semite and secretly uh wants to round up all non-whites and put them
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into camps or something i i think they actually believe this and uh someone again who's maladjusted
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anti-social obviously and someone who gets lost in these forums and watching social media all day
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extremely online as they say could have done this i i think that's well within the realm of possibilities
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and i think that's probably most likely but we'll see um we'll there is a possibility this man is going
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to get away with it and that would make everything much worse because it would add this layer of
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ambiguity to the situation that would resemble the jfk assassination where you know everyone has two
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opinions and and it's just uh it can never be resolved really i think that's very possible um
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from the standpoint of a left liberal charlie kirk was a fascist charlie kirk was baby hitler
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on the right who are online basically take charlie kirk as a pushover as a cuck
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as the alt light maybe not even that as sort of representative of everything that they hate
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about the gop that's not the perspective of outsiders and into it to try to understand what
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just happened you have to put yourself in the shoes of those people you can't just be like well
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charlie kirk had a gay black guy at one of his rallies or uh you know charlie kirk said something
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nice about blm once or whatever that all of that is immaterial charlie kirk is a powerful influencer
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deeply connected with the trump system with trump world and that is how he's viewed by most liberals
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and leftists they don't get the nuance or they don't hear the criticisms online they see him for what
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he is which is a kind of front man of the trump regime um charlie kirk is a fascinating figure in
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this regard in the sense that i i you know i wonder if he ultimately won the griper war and what i mean
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by that is that charlie kirk as i mentioned was isolated as a representative of the establishment
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back in 2018 and 2019 he was called a cock people at q a sessions were yelling at him and waving rosary
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beads at him and you know how does gay sex help the american people and our families and things like
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this and so maybe immediately he lost the griper war in the sense that he was being heavily criticized
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he was being made fun of and the energy seemed to be on the far right but the the fascinating thing
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about car charlie kirk what made him not just a republican hack made him more than that in fact
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was that he was able to absorb excuse me he was able to absorb all of those energies and he was able to
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absorb anti-covid energies he was able to absorb anti mlk and civil rights energies he was able to absorb
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white nationalism he was even to a degree able to absorb anti-zionist sentiments anti-israel sentiments
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he is a truly remarkable man in this regard so his first line of attack when the griper war started
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was to push back and basically say you're all losers fuck off we love israel you're not part of this
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movement that was successful to a degree but it's more successful to absorb all of these energies
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the best opposition is the best opposition is the best opposition is you you can be your own
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opposition that's operating at a high level of discourse and charlie kirk despite the fact that
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i didn't find him insightful at all and i i found him off-putting to be honest uh he gained me the
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uh uh he was operating at a very high level of discourse because he was able to do that
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and so people would come to tp usa events and they would talk about whether we need to
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assassinate dr fauci or we need to bring guns to the pharmacy and shoot the vaccines the people
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trying to give them give them to us and i'm only exaggerating slightly here there was a lot of hard
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talk hard right-wing talk going on at tp usa and charlie kirk never really counter-signaled it
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charlie kirk never he rejected anti-israel sentiment and even anti-semitic sentiment but he sort of
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did a in run around it and one of the most famous incidents is when he said that israel
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that was attacked on october 7th 2023 they now get to feel how white people have felt all these years
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so he's sort of in this way that that that occurs quite often he was sort of creating an amalgamation of
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the anti-anti-white sentiment and pro-zionist sentiment so you're a racist for israel you're a
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nazi for the jews in the words of gavin mcginnis he was able to do that and i think that's what
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makes him interesting though the liberals have a point when they say that charlie kirk was a racist
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fascist he wasn't of course on a basic level he's a off-the-shelf b-party activist i think that's
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where he got his start religious right conservative but what made him different is that he was able
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to absorb the fuentes energy and in that sense i think he actually won the groyper war
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some groypers might not want to hear that perhaps they they agree with me perhaps and they think that
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they won because they influenced him in this way i have a more of a cynical view being absorbed and
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having your energy redirected is not necessarily influence
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so that's what made charlie kirk powerful that's what made charlie kirk interesting now what comes
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next i there are other people who do what charlie kirk has is doing or did i should say sadly
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tucker carlson most obviously he clearly wants to absorb alex jones energy and even groyper energy
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while denouncing nick fuentes but can he replace charlie kirk charlie kirk was 31 and he sort of grew up
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with the the online right i've seen so many people who claim that charlie kirk was their friend
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it's a bit incredible actually you know i knew charlie kirk what i think happened is that
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they talked to him once at a tpus meeting usa meeting and they really felt a connection
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with this person who was roughly their age 31 they were 20 or even 17 there are a lot of young
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people who were politically active and they felt a connection with him i don't think that they can
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feel that connection with me for instance for multiple reasons one of which is that i'm older
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than they are i don't think they can feel that connection with someone like tucker carlson who's
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even older than i am so i don't know where the replacement comes from i don't think there is
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anyone comparable who is as talented as charlie kirk was in his realm now again i didn't really like
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his commentary i didn't really respect him i guess i had a grudging respect for his political operation
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in the sense that that was very successful but i don't know if there's someone who's a young person
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who's wily enough to absorb all of these far-right energies and ultimately push them towards the
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republican party basically you can be a nut you can believe in ufos you can be anti-semitic for
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traditionalist catholic reasons you can criticize israel you can be a hardcore libertarian you can think
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that the vaccine is just about to kill everyone on earth you can think all of this crazy shit but so
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long as you are pushing towards the gop and so long as you are voting for trump you're a-okay by me
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that is charlie kirk is there someone else as who has the right you know identity as a young
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white conservative who can do these kinds of things i don't know i don't know i've also heard
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that nick fuentes will rise to be the leader of the right i don't think so and i'm not saying that as
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a criticism i think nick fuentes will continue to grow and the you know article in the new york times
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was obviously a good step in that direction of notoriety etc but there's a big asymmetry between
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charlie kirk and nick fuentes nick fuentes is a growth or nick fuentes is our audience is largely
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organic they are young people they listen to him every night they're live streaming with him they
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like him they feel connected to him etc charlie kirk really wasn't that charlie kirk was much more
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of a synthetic creation i do think he was talented at what he did but i don't think charlie kirk
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could have independently developed the audience that he did charlie kirk was backed by you know
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billionaires in utah who owned chains of plumbers who would give them millions of dollars to promote
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the pro-life cause on campus i mean he was connected to that traditional boomer and even silent gen
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donor base in a way that nick fuentes is not and i don't think nick fuentes ever could be and i mean
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that as a compliment he's too independent he's too willing to go his own way he's too hardcore you could
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say in many ways so i don't think that but i also don't have a name of someone who could replace
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charlie kirk who's coming from that conservative wing they're going to try too hard to be like him
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you've got to be your own man you've got to go your own way you can't just mimic what other people do
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and that's basically what i see from conservatives
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um so in terms of the future of the gop the conservative movement or whatever i i don't know
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i don't know who's going to replace him i maybe maybe he can't be replaced and it's actually going to be
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um what does this mean for america going forward i i've retweeted a couple of posts that were
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basically saying we're entering our years of lead the years of lead is more or less italy in the 1970s
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that included many political politically motivated assassinations a escalation between the far left
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and the far right former fascists who were funded by the cia and operation gladio which is real
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communists probably funded by the kremlin i mean it was nasty and i think that that is a good analogy
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i've heard also the analogy of the troubles in ireland between catholics and protestants there's
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probably some other analogies as well it's not outright civil war i don't think you're going to
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wake up tomorrow morning and people are building barricades or digging trenches and fighting over
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territory i don't think that's going to happen of course but i do think that the political world
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is going to become nasty i mean does anyone think that this is the end of political violence
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i mean i can in my own lifetime i can remember this sort of escalation so before 2017 really
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um antifa were almost like a comical band of weirdos who were kind of funny if anything
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and you know going to a lot of these conferences etc i remember getting into arguments with antifa
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throwing insults at one another and it was all sort of good fun in a way now they were obviously
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nasty but you know it wasn't a big deal and the punching of me was a major wake-up call in january
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20th of 2017 because i just walked out there a naive idiot thinking that nothing bad could ever happen
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you know you can go sarcastically grin at antifa afraid a few insults and that's it
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um i could have been killed in january of 2017 getting hit upside the head by someone running out of a
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crowd you know i got away with slight damage no big deal but i could have been killed but even that
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seems like a weekend holiday in comparison to political violence that involves assassinations
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long guns spectacular deaths caught on camera um i i think it's a very good thing the spotlight is off me
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uh let's just put it let's leave it at that i don't want to talk too much about this macabre subject
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i does anyone really believe that we're going to go back or that we're going to reach across the aisle
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and hold hands and say we all denounce political violence let's move forward together does anyone
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really think that that's going to happen antifa in this fascinating way is gone antifa
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i i don't know where they are they weren't present at j6 when there was an actual coup they weren't
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present and i haven't really seen much of them since maybe they've all od'd on drugs who knows
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maybe they too have been sort of absorbed into other different formations but what what seems to be
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coming after antifa is clearly worse and the notion of a profoundly narcissistic radicalized assassin
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picking off influencers is a pretty terrifying notion um before i go i wanted to reproduce something
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a a observation that was made by a man named hierarchy who was on a space that i was on
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and he he said something very interesting about how he believes that this was a left-wing shooter
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now again i i open-minded about the whole thing it's fine to speculate it can't be bad to speculate but
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it's fine overall fine to speculate so long as you know you're speculating you don't have this you
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know confirmed conclusion you know exactly what it is i don't and i'm open to possibilities but i agreed
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with hierarchy's argument which was this this does have a sort of hallmark of a left-wing shooter in the
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sense that the left-wing shooter is more likely to go go after a person or an icon or a kind of idol
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you're more likely to try to kill the czar you're more likely to try to shoot the president or something
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like that um it has that kind of iconography of left-wing violence you personalize the situation you think
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that this evil figure is changing the world and needs to be stopped at all all cost i do think that
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that's a a a sort of left-wing mentality something we can talk about on thursday but does anyone have
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any questions or comments i'm not going to stay on this too long but someone could actually even come
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all right i guess you guys just wanted to listen which is usually the case uh thank you for being
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here i'm glad to get these thoughts out i have many more thoughts and we will talk about it on
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thursday's show we'll see you then all right good night signing off