RadixJournal - MAGA's Joker Moment

00:00:00.000 It's January 10th, 2021, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.

00:00:07.000 Baked Alaska once called us the N-word.

00:00:10.260 Main topic, MAGA's Joker Moment.

00:00:14.040 Friend of the show, Brad Griffin, joins me to discuss the ongoing fallout from the January 6th goofball insurrection.

00:00:21.840 The Maine revelers have already been arrested, but Brad and I warn that major indictments are on their way.

00:00:28.200 Of the individuals and organizations which organize the whole embarrassing, though lucrative affair.

00:00:35.140 MAGA diehards are claiming this is their Joker Moment.

00:00:38.980 They should remember how that film ends.

00:00:43.060 Brad, welcome back. How are you doing?

00:00:47.900 Doing good, how are you?

00:00:49.700 Yes, I am well.

00:00:52.100 Yeah, I never thought that I would see you put on that, you know, bison helmet that you famously have. 1.00

00:01:00.960 And that I would be watching you invade government and attempt to take it over.

00:01:05.420 But I guess I should have expected it.

00:01:09.060 Well done.

00:01:10.760 You know, the storm has come.

00:01:12.940 But I guess I'll see you in 20 years, buddy.

00:01:15.260 The things that people are willing to do for Donald Trump when he has like 10 days left, 10, 20 days left as president.

00:01:28.900 Yeah, it is incredible.

00:01:30.740 So let's let's talk about this to get it started, because you you mentioned this to me.

00:01:38.480 The the Charlottesville and the Capitol Hill siege or whatever we're calling it, I think they're going to be compared.

00:01:53.500 They're they've actually in the mainstream media, they've been compared a lot less frequently than I would have imagined, actually, which I think is telling.

00:02:01.280 I don't hear this comparison a lot, but I think this is this comparison is probably quite, you know, important and and for a lot of people listening to us.

00:02:11.940 So why don't you go through that a little bit and then I think we can tease that out, because I think it's comparing them kind of gives us like a sense of the trajectory of the alt right, you know, writ large is a descriptive term over the past four years.

00:02:31.640 Well, you know, I sat down and when I initially like I said, when I initially saw this, it didn't remind me of Charlottesville at all.

00:02:41.180 It reminded me of my instant reaction was like, whoa, they've they've they've taken over the Capitol.

00:02:46.720 It's like it's like the Bundy Ranch, the occupation out in Oregon.

00:02:52.240 That's that's what that's what it initially, you know, reminded me of.

00:02:55.620 But, you know, since since, you know, this has happened, I've seen comparisons to Charlottesville floating around.

00:03:02.000 And, you know, there are a lot of the media because there were some of the same people there at both events, most famously baked Alaska, most prominent, prominent person who participated in both events.

00:03:17.900 But like, I woke up this morning and I was like, you know, there's there's some things that we're seeing that's very similar to Charlottesville.

00:03:28.540 And there's there's some things that, you know, just completely stand out.

00:03:31.260 It's different.

00:03:31.660 And obviously the most the most similar similar thing we've seen about it is we've seen, you know, media hysteria, political hysteria, you know, politicians running around with their heads cut off.

00:03:47.900 And above all else, we've seen a huge, unprecedented wave of tech censorship.

00:03:53.580 I mean, far in excess of anything we saw after Charlottesville.

00:03:56.600 After Charlottesville was a few of our accounts that got banned.

00:04:00.380 This was Trump being completely wiped out from social media.

00:04:05.060 Trump's biggest influencers being completely wiped out from social media.

00:04:09.880 Tens of thousands of ordinary conservatives being, I guess, you know, I guess someone at Twitter.

00:04:16.600 But press the button and took out the MAGA network.

00:04:21.180 I mean, he got kicked off Spotify, which is I don't know what that brings in.

00:04:26.560 That's probably tens of thousands of dollars a day.

00:04:29.020 I mean, you know, which is real money.

00:04:31.080 That's not, you know.

00:04:32.680 Yeah.

00:04:33.480 Obviously, it's raised a lot more than that.

00:04:35.440 But so they banned him from the funny thing.

00:04:38.800 They banned him from interest.

00:04:40.100 I guess he wants to share.

00:04:41.820 He's not gonna be able to share recipes anymore.

00:04:43.580 They went after the Trump organization itself.

00:04:48.760 This is, I don't know.

00:04:51.720 And of course, you know, they went after Parler, too.

00:04:54.180 They've taken Parler off Amazon, you know, denying hosting services.

00:04:59.880 They Google Play.

00:05:02.960 What was it?

00:05:03.720 Apple.

00:05:04.420 Yeah.

00:05:05.040 Apple Store.

00:05:05.440 The App Store gave him 24 hours and then they just kicked him off.

00:05:07.940 Yeah.

00:05:09.800 So, I mean, the censorship that we're seeing now.

00:05:12.020 Even though they were censoring.

00:05:13.600 Because they, Parler, you know, and as someone, I mean, I am not like a free speech absolutist.

00:05:21.500 I think there has to be something done on this.

00:05:24.560 But, yeah, I mean, Lin Wood, I think they erased tweets in which this very, now very prominent person was spreading just insane lies and making, you know, insane demands.

00:05:39.820 They actually were censoring him.

00:05:41.140 Violence.

00:05:41.700 He was doing violent threats against Pence.

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:44.920 Yeah.

00:05:45.880 And claiming there's gonna be a full blackout.

00:05:48.820 There's gonna be a nationwide blackout coming.

00:05:51.140 And, I mean, talk about just, I mean, I don't know, yelling fire in a crowded theater, to be honest.

00:05:56.620 I mean, doing nonsense like that really isn't.

00:05:59.800 So, I made a list of similarities, and I'll ask you if you agree with this.

00:06:04.420 We'll go through these one by one.

00:06:06.160 First similarity is that Baked Alaska and Nick Fuentes, AMNATS, and Patriot Groups are present in Charlottesville and D.C.

00:06:15.200 And both events were heavily promoted by Andrew Anglin in the Daily Stormer.

00:06:19.200 I mean, his banners get out there in the streets.

00:06:22.700 Anglin has been promoting these Stop the Steal of the Events since the beginning.

00:06:27.760 And it was, I mean, we've combinated them before.

00:06:30.260 It kind of shocked us how quickly the AMNATS changed their tune.

00:06:35.200 You know, previously street activism had been cringe, and, you know, everything was, you know,

00:06:40.360 a goo march was something that WIGNATS did. 0.56

00:06:42.640 And, you know, it leads to bad optics, and, you know, that, and Anglin, Anglin himself repeatedly, like, wrote articles

00:06:50.600 saying that, you know, we can't win by doing these street demonstrations, and then just turned on a dime

00:06:56.520 as soon as, as soon as Trump won the election.

00:07:00.660 But, yeah, so, like, some of the same people who were involved in Charlottesville were involved in the

00:07:06.140 Capitol Siege, and Bates, Nick, and Andrew Anglin are the top three that come to mind.

00:07:12.600 So, second thing is, we saw people with Confederate flags at both events.

00:07:19.040 Right.

00:07:19.160 There was, there was a guy on the horseback.

00:07:22.520 Very prominently, too.

00:07:23.900 Like, I mean, even more, I mean, it wasn't, the thing that was shocking about it.

00:07:28.920 More in the Capitol Siege, in a way.

00:07:30.920 Because, you know, that guy, I think one of the, one of the half dozen, like, iconic images, actually,

00:07:36.600 is going to be that guy walking through, like, a hallway of the, the Senate with a Confederate flag.

00:07:42.500 I mean, what was shocking, I mean, it wasn't shocking in Charlottesville,

00:07:45.340 because Charlottesville was literally about, like, the Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee monuments.

00:07:51.380 The whole issue of Charlottesville was about Southern heritage and monuments.

00:07:54.300 And, and, I mean, we had, we had gone to, we had held, I mean, we had just came off that rally in New Orleans.

00:08:01.020 And that was also about the Lee and Beauregard monuments and the Jefferson Davis monument down there.

00:08:08.760 So Charlottesville was just another, you know, identity, American heritage rally.

00:08:14.140 Well, this was actually a guy with a Confederate flag, like, storming the Capitol in the United States, walking through Congress.

00:08:21.660 It just seemed, it seemed kind of, you know, more jarring, I would say.

00:08:27.360 Of course, I mean, obviously, obviously, I got a list of similarities here.

00:08:32.700 Bad optics involving people like the QAnon shaman who had their own agenda. 0.99

00:08:37.880 So in Charlottesville, we saw a guy show up with the, with the Nazi flag, but even, even that guy didn't look as wacky as the QAnon shaman. 0.99

00:08:49.280 And, and, and even, and even, even in what the Capitol siege, I mean, there were people, did you see the guy who, like, had a coon skin, he was dressed in coon skins or something? 0.99

00:08:59.120 And this is not even, this is not even the QAnon shaman.

00:09:02.660 No, he was, he's actually a prominent son.

00:09:06.480 He's like a son of a judge.

00:09:07.660 He lives in Brooklyn.

00:09:09.400 A Jewish, a Jewish judge. 0.81

00:09:10.960 Yeah, yeah, he's, he's, he's Jewish, as it happens, but I don't, I'm not even sure that matters that much.

00:09:19.140 All of the images we saw of him, he seemed dissociated from reality.

00:09:25.000 And again, I'm not trying to diagnose someone.

00:09:28.680 I'm not a doctor, nor would I do that, but just looking at him, he, there seemed to be some kind of mental illness or psychological issue of that.

00:09:38.540 I've seen that look before that glazed eye.

00:09:41.400 I, I am not here, but I am here.

00:09:46.000 I mean, I mean, there was, I mean, those kinds of people, you need to watch out when you see people like that, you know, I mean, like that's not, nothing good comes from that.

00:09:56.300 There was some weird, some weird looking people in Charlottesville, but, but nothing compares to QAnon shaman casting spells on the floor of the Senate, my God.

00:10:05.840 So also I got here, Charlottesville and the capital stage were both promoted.

00:10:08.940 Oh, also, let me add and share the bad optics.

00:10:10.940 There was a guy who, I actually, I think plausibly you could say kind of looked a bit like Antifa.

00:10:18.760 He was wearing black or kind of dark clothes, but he was interviewed afterwards and he clearly is not Antifa at all.

00:10:27.380 He is a MAGA supporter.

00:10:28.900 He had a, you know, 25 zip ties, which are basically like elastic handcuffs that you put on people to detain them.

00:10:41.600 He had those, he was prominently holding those.

00:10:45.200 And you, you see something like that.

00:10:47.460 It's kind of like, why would you conceivably have these items if you were not planning to hold people hostage?

00:10:56.480 Like what, why would you conceivably have these?

00:11:01.100 That is really bad.

00:11:03.940 So we got Charlottesville and the capital stage were both promoted on social media.

00:11:10.180 Yes.

00:11:10.700 I mean, obviously, I mean, from Trump himself was tweeting it out from his account.

00:11:15.820 This was all over Twitter.

00:11:17.180 It was all over.

00:11:17.940 I'm not on Facebook, but I'm sure it was legions and legions upon legions of boomers came from Facebook.

00:11:24.480 And, um, all this was organized through stop this deal, which is, I think, an official organization.

00:11:31.340 Um, it was promoted by Alex Jones, uh, for a long time.

00:11:37.780 Um, so we got Charlottesville on the capital stage for both volatile public events.

00:11:43.160 This is why, if you remember correct, if you remember like I do, this is why immediately after Charlottesville and Shelbyville, we stopped holding these public events.

00:11:52.580 Because, I mean, we realized that anyone could come to your public event with their own agenda and completely associate you with, with whatever, you know, their agenda was.

00:12:04.400 Even though you, you didn't even know the person and we saw that Charlottesville, none of us, none of us knew James Fields.

00:12:11.100 And it doesn't even look like it.

00:12:13.180 I mean, even after all the evidence that came out with James Fields, there's no evidence that he can't, he had any intention of doing anything, but coming to the rally.

00:12:21.260 Um, and there's no connection between major figures or even, or even some of the organizers from like, we didn't even, we didn't even, we didn't even know the guy existed.

00:12:31.820 And, um, when he came to Charlottesville and in this, in, in, in, in, even in his defense, there's, there's no proof that he was doing anything.

00:12:39.180 He had his GPS set to go home.

00:12:40.760 So, but these people, I mean, these people like the, um, the QAnon shaman, this is not the first time we've seen him.

00:12:48.180 And he was also at the stop the steal event that we watched in Arizona, because I remember he got into it with, with Nick.

00:12:56.860 Um, when Nick was down there in Phoenix, I've missed that.

00:13:00.700 I can't remember.

00:13:02.060 Yeah.

00:13:02.480 Yeah.

00:13:02.720 So like I, he, he's been at other things too.

00:13:05.160 So this is the second or third time that, you know, I've seen him.

00:13:07.880 I mean, he was a familiar figure.

00:13:09.760 I mean, I knew instantly who the guy was.

00:13:14.220 All right.

00:13:14.860 So, um, yeah, I mean, one thing that we took away.

00:13:18.180 And especially groups like Patriot front, you know, Patriot front, they have their, they have their own events.

00:13:24.120 They're unannounced.

00:13:25.420 They're heavily vetted.

00:13:27.200 It's their own people.

00:13:28.040 They can control the situation.

00:13:29.620 And all of that was because the lessons we learned from Charlottesville that, you know, um, if you have these pre-announced public events, Antifa can come and do whatever the media can come.

00:13:41.100 They can send in plants.

00:13:42.440 Um, I mean, this, this is one of the big things we learned.

00:13:45.780 And apparently some people didn't learn that or they forgot.

00:13:49.800 In fact, in fact, they, you know, spun on a dime.

00:13:52.160 So also got here, Donald Trump condemned Charlottesville on Capitol siege while noting that good people were present at both.

00:13:59.760 So yeah, Trump threw, Trump came out and put that video, uh, denouncing his own supporters through them under the bus.

00:14:06.000 And he did that in Charlottesville, although in Charlottesville, he kind of, you know, it honors him to this day where he said, you know, there were good people who just supported the monument there, which was true.

00:14:17.320 So, but yeah, but, you know, both times, you know, if you think, you know, Trump was your guy, he let you down both times.

00:14:25.600 And of course, you know, I got media, firestorm, political hysteria, censorship, deaths and arrests, and the outcome was not what the organizers of either event had intended.

00:14:36.780 Now, everything, nothing I've seen.

00:14:41.700 Well, I mean, I say this because I watched Alex, Alex's video, Alex, you know, Jones had released the video and here's what Alex said.

00:14:50.160 And I watched his video, his, his side of the story, Alex said that the plan was, is that Trump, it was all orchestrated that, you know, Trump's would say that we're, we're marching on the Capitol.

00:15:02.280 And Alex Jones was, Alex Jones himself had paid for, like, he had spent 500 grand for this event, right?

00:15:11.560 It was Alex Jones who paid for it.

00:15:13.220 And he, Alex Jones is coordinating with Trump and Alex Jones was supposed to lead the march to the Capitol, right?

00:15:21.740 And he was halfway through the speech was over.

00:15:23.980 They were supposed to pull Alex Jones side and the secret service was supposed to take him to the front.

00:15:28.980 And Alex Jones and Ali were supposed to march down to the Capitol.

00:15:32.260 Well, what happened was that so many people showed up in DC that they couldn't get into the, to the event where, where Alex was speaking and where Trump was speaking.

00:15:43.220 And so by the time Trump got through with his speech, thousands upon thousands of people had already left the White House and it already went down to the Capitol.

00:15:52.660 Wow.

00:15:53.120 And so by the time, yeah, so what, yeah, this is what happened.

00:15:55.900 So by the time Alex, this is on video too.

00:15:58.320 So by the time Alex Jones was supposed to lead the march, tens of thousands of people were already ahead of him marching down, right?

00:16:05.740 And those who, when, when those people got to the Capitol, there was no leadership there.

00:16:11.560 See, there was Alex Jones, Alex Jones and Trump had a big stage outside the Capitol that they had paid for.

00:16:17.520 Right.

00:16:18.240 Uh-huh.

00:16:18.620 Um, the, and the plan was, the plan was that Alex would lead the march to the Capitol stage and everyone would gather around the stage.

00:16:26.460 And then Trump was supposed to come and speak while they were, you know, having the grandstanding.

00:16:31.520 That's my understanding of it.

00:16:33.240 But when Alex Jones and Ali.

00:16:35.220 Yeah.

00:16:35.980 Yeah.

00:16:36.240 So when Alex Jones and Ali actually got down there, when they actually got down there, they were, they were already storming the Capitol.

00:16:44.260 I mean, they had already broken in.

00:16:46.360 I, this is.

00:16:47.840 Yeah.

00:16:48.420 Yeah.

00:16:48.600 This is fascinating and, and, and this is very important to say, I didn't quite know this aspect of it and I'm glad you told me about it, but I guess what, what I was mentioning before, when I said, I don't completely disagree with you is that it's, it's one, or I don't completely agree with you.

00:17:06.220 It's one thing to say that things got out of hand.

00:17:10.180 I mean, in Charlottesville, the conspiracy quote unquote was to give speeches on a field and then leave.

00:17:20.760 And that was what we were attempting to do.

00:17:23.760 At least that's what I understood when I was invited to do this.

00:17:27.580 I mean, I don't know what to say.

00:17:29.060 That's, that is what I was planning for the whole time is to give a speech.

00:17:33.860 Um, and everyone who, my, my guess is 99 out of a hundred people who came, that was their expectation.

00:17:40.440 The difference here is that you could say that we, you know, this was just like the, the stop the steel rally six weeks ago.

00:17:49.740 We, we came, we were, we, we wanted to hear speeches and meet other people and then we were going to leave.

00:17:55.540 But the thing is with, you can't really say that because now I don't think that they intended bison man to take over the Senate and baked Alaska to, to, to, to tweet from, uh, or live stream from Pelosi's office. 0.54

00:18:11.860 And that, you know, West Virginia guy to put his feet on her desk. 1.00

00:18:15.200 I don't think that was their plan to be, you know, perfectly fair, but their plan was to disrupt the vote.

00:18:21.820 So like their plan, you know, it's like, yeah, it got out of hand, but they were like explicitly planning to do something like this.

00:18:33.220 And they didn't have enough discipline and they didn't have enough, I don't know, good communication or just military organization to accomplish this.

00:18:42.920 But this is what they were quite literally trying to do.

00:18:46.720 And so I don't buy, like, I don't know.

00:18:50.140 I, I, it is just so fundamentally different.

00:18:52.920 And, you know, I, I, I hate to sound like an MSNBC liberal, but like this kind of was an insurrection.

00:19:01.560 And all of the people on our side are doing the typical right-wing stuff, which is like, well, these are some good boys and they didn't mean no harm and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:19:14.060 Really?

00:19:14.820 You know, I, I don't know what to say.

00:19:16.320 Like, clearly they were trying to disrupt Congress.

00:19:19.560 Like, let, let's not pretend like Donald Trump explicitly said, we are, I will march with you arm in arm.

00:19:27.520 We're going to go to Congress and we are going to encourage the people on our side.

00:19:31.540 And we're going to shame the people who are against us.

00:19:33.860 He said that.

00:19:35.620 And, oh, was he, was he being ironic?

00:19:38.040 Like all, you know, the zoomers. 1.00

00:19:39.420 Oh, I said, you know, I, there was, I was, I've, I've listened to before I went to grad, I was actually.

00:19:44.460 Yeah, you're grasping the crux of the, I said, you're grasping the crux of the issue there.

00:19:50.500 This was, this was, the, the plan was in DC is that this was all supposed to be some kind of performance art political theater thing, right?

00:19:59.240 Okay.

00:19:59.540 The plan was, is that Alex had worked this out with Trump.

00:20:02.020 He had paid for it.

00:20:03.480 One of Alex donors had paid for this big performance that Trump was doing at the white house.

00:20:08.420 Alex was supposed to lead the crowd from the white house to the Capitol, but people had already lived.

00:20:14.460 Left, that's just the problem.

00:20:15.960 You can never count on these things, these volatile situations.

00:20:19.240 Thousands upon thousands of people, you know, couldn't get in.

00:20:21.560 So they had already went down to the Capitol when no one was down there.

00:20:25.180 And they had this huge, I saw the video yesterday.

00:20:29.460 They had this huge stage set up where Trump was supposed to speak and Alex Jones was supposed to speak.

00:20:35.420 And they were going to have this big performance art thing outside the Capitol to pressure the wavering Republicans inside to change their vote in the hope that, you know, somehow like Trump could stay on as president.

00:20:47.980 That was the plan.

00:20:49.060 Right.

00:20:49.980 With the plan, with the, with the, with the plan went wrong.

00:20:52.500 With the plan went wrong.

00:20:53.140 But that in itself, in itself, that's kind of, that's borderline insurrection already.

00:21:03.980 Now, I think I would probably defend that just like on a, I mean, I don't necessarily support it, but I would kind of defend that on a level like you are engaging in a protest.

00:21:13.120 This should not be legal.

00:21:14.440 But like at the, you are trying to disrupt Congress from the beginning.

00:21:20.240 That is your illicit plan.

00:21:22.520 And you are concerned that some things got out of hand, you know?

00:21:27.840 I mean, keep going.

00:21:30.460 You see that, you see what the issue is here though, right?

00:21:32.840 So, so when Trump gave his speech, he said that he was going to walk, they were going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and he was going to join them there.

00:21:42.020 But then when people like Jack Posobiec were on Twitter, they were like, we're going to march on the Capitol, right?

00:21:49.160 And you got, you brought all these, here's the thing.

00:21:51.400 And here's, here's the crux of the issue.

00:21:53.780 They've brought all these people to DC.

00:21:55.640 They've been telling them this stuff like, I mean, this was all about the Q prophecies, right? 0.99

00:22:00.600 The storm was coming.

00:22:02.800 Trump was going to, in general fund, we're going to take over and execute all Trump's enemies.

00:22:08.560 And 1776 will commence.

00:22:11.180 I mean, they had, they had used all this like completely hot rhetoric to fire people up.

00:22:17.260 And these people, people like Alex Jones, of course, is just playing a character, right?

00:22:22.060 Yeah. 0.93

00:22:22.700 And so, and so all this stuff about 1776 will commence again and the storm is coming and, you know, Q is being saying all this, all this crap.

00:22:32.960 This is like an apocalyptic millennial event, right? 0.96

00:22:36.980 This is, this is, this is a religious element to this, right?

00:22:39.960 Like, like, like it was, like Trump was going to take over and everything was, this was the culmination of the Q, of the Q prophecies, right?

00:22:46.740 So, so all these people who show up in DC have this mindset that there's going to be a revolution, right?

00:22:53.800 They're going to, they're going to take the Capitol.

00:22:57.540 And when they said march on the Capitol, I mean, all this is going, you got to remember, all this is going out through social media.

00:23:03.040 So all the people in DC who are watching what's going on, on R the Donald, who's, not R the Donald, it's Donald.win now.

00:23:15.300 They're seeing all these messages through this mindset that this apocalyptic millennial mindset that they have.

00:23:24.460 Yeah.

00:23:24.820 And also what Alex Jones and Trump intended was not good.

00:23:29.780 Okay, there's an interesting kind of, what's the right word of, like, there were kind of two sides of it as well.

00:23:37.140 Because General Flynn was also claiming that there's going to be a military takeover.

00:23:45.380 There's going to be martial law, and we're going to have a re-vote.

00:23:49.240 And, you know, again, that's very, that is contradictory to, you know, the hoi polloi storming the Capitol, no question.

00:23:58.160 But I think they kind of reinforce each other, because there was also an indication that, like, Trump's behind us, the military's got our back.

00:24:08.240 Like, we can do this.

00:24:09.400 We can be part of the back.

00:24:11.020 Like, I don't think those things are contradictory.

00:24:13.000 I think they're all kind of, they're streaming into the same place, which is, we are disrupting Congress, and we're in charge now.

00:24:23.460 Yeah, I mean, people like, well, I mean, you can clearly watch it.

00:24:27.940 I don't know if you, if you've seen the video of Ashley Babbitt marching on the Capitol, she live-streamed.

00:24:33.980 She was on Facebook.

00:24:36.160 Yeah, Ashley Babbitt was the woman who was shot, right?

00:24:39.580 Oh, that, yes.

00:24:41.740 Yeah, so she was the one who was shot in the Capitol.

00:24:43.880 So she had been posting all this stuff on Twitter, and it was on Facebook Live when she was marching to the Capitol.

00:24:51.780 Ashley Babbitt was one of the people who, like I said, you know, when Alex and Trump were speaking, who went ahead and went to the Capitol, right?

00:25:00.960 And so all the Q-tards and fanatics, all the Q-tards and fanatics who were waiting for the storm to come were already down there before Trump and Alex Jones and Ali and the rest could get down there. 0.99

00:25:12.680 So all these people have taken off ahead of it because, I mean, what they expected to happen, I mean, if you read her Twitter feed, she's like, this is the day the storm has arrived.

00:25:25.340 Patriots are descending on the Capitol.

00:25:27.040 Well, she actually says, I'm part of a mob. We're going to go down here. We're going to take Congress.

00:25:31.680 Those people who came were literally expecting this to happen, right?

00:25:36.140 They were expecting some kind of big – I mean, not just that.

00:25:41.500 I mean, you heard the phrase from these people, cross the Rubicon.

00:25:44.380 How many times did they say, cross the Rubicon?

00:25:47.280 In 1776, we'll commence again.

00:25:49.400 This is what they – they were expecting Trump to become Caesar, right?

00:25:53.840 They were really prepared for this to happen, and they thought Trump had – and they had absolute complete confidence in Trump that he had their back.

00:26:01.800 Now, what was supposed to happen, which me and you understood, right?

00:26:05.900 Because were you paying any attention to this at all?

00:26:08.180 I wasn't.

00:26:09.180 I wasn't.

00:26:10.300 I thought nothing was going to happen.

00:26:11.880 I explicitly told people that this was going to be another just goofy rally like the one weeks ago.

00:26:18.820 Yeah, that's because – that's because me and you – see, me and you were smart – me and you are smart enough to understand that, okay, people like Alex Jones and the Grifters, this was all a big – a huge grift, right?

00:26:31.300 Right.

00:26:31.700 This was a huge grift.

00:26:33.000 It was performance art.

00:26:34.400 They were supposed to have speeches outside of Congress while Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and all the rest in Congress were doing their thing, making all their political theater.

00:26:45.660 It was just a waste of time that wasn't even worth watching because that's what we – because we understood what was supposed to happen, and Alex Jones and all the rest were supposed to make a lot of money off of it, and people like Nick Fuentes are supposed to promote themselves.

00:26:59.800 That's what it was all about, right?

00:27:01.460 Yeah.

00:27:02.040 None of these – I mean can you imagine the shock on Alex Jones and Ali's face when they walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and all the Q-tars are literally storming the Capitol? 1.00

00:27:13.560 Mm-hmm.

00:27:13.880 Can you just –

00:27:15.420 They took our words seriously, basically.

00:27:18.160 Yeah.

00:27:18.680 Did you see this?

00:27:19.700 There's video – Alex Jones has released a video of himself, right?

00:27:23.940 When Alex gets down to the Capitol, Alex is saying, no, no, no, this is not what we intended.

00:27:29.960 Come back.

00:27:31.880 He's trying to like – he's trying to like gain control of the situation and tell people not to do this.

00:27:37.300 He's got video of evidence of him saying, don't do this.

00:27:41.600 This is not what we wanted.

00:27:42.700 This is – was not what's supposed to happen, right?

00:27:45.580 But like I said, like, I mean all these people have taken what he said at face value.

00:27:50.080 They don't understand it's all an act.

00:27:52.420 But anyway, that's what we're getting into.

00:27:53.840 We're getting into the differences between – and that was – this is the differences between like the Capitol siege and Charlottesville.

00:28:01.500 So I got here, number one, the Capitol siege was a MAGA event focused on Trump's claims of election fraud, and it attracted patriots and Trump supporters.

00:28:13.000 In contrast, Charlottesville had nothing to do with Trump and was about preserving Confederate monuments.

00:28:17.580 So Trump was the center of this whole thing.

00:28:21.280 Right.

00:28:21.620 And –

00:28:22.500 Whereas I think Trump was the background to Charlottesville.

00:28:25.940 You know, that was kind of a background element.

00:28:28.240 But whereas this, Trump was the central, if not sole element.

00:28:33.900 I mean even back then, even – but you look back on it, one of the reasons we did Charlottesville is because we were angry with Trump at the time, and we wanted to do our own thing, right?

00:28:42.920 We wanted to branch off and – and so like – but this was totally – this was totally about him.

00:28:48.500 So second thing, far vastly more people participated in the Capitol siege, like orders of magnitude, like not even close.

00:28:58.240 To being like similar, like huge numbers.

00:29:01.260 And then even in Charlottesville, we saw – I mean one of the things we saw in Charlottesville is even when you get like 600, 700, 800 people together, right?

00:29:08.780 How hard it is to marshal those people and control them.

00:29:12.560 Imagine trying to control like tens of thousands of cutards. 1.00

00:29:15.360 So obviously – yeah, impossible.

00:29:20.520 You're not going to happen.

00:29:21.220 So unlike Charlottesville, this was – which was supposed to be a legal free speech rally in a public park, the Capitol siege was a literal goon march by conspiracy theorists, and that's what happened.

00:29:30.660 So the cutards got ahead of the train, and they went down there and literally acted out the storm. 1.00

00:29:39.760 I mean that's what – that was Ashley Babbitt's last tweet, that the storm was here, and that's why she was – that was the month that she went in there doing that, right?

00:29:49.980 But they were serious about it.

00:29:52.660 So let's see.

00:29:55.420 QA non-prophecies about trust the plan and the storm is coming is what fueled the Capitol siege, not anything related to white identity.

00:30:03.440 What do you think?

00:30:04.840 Yes, I think that's clearly true.

00:30:07.500 I mean –

00:30:07.920 Yeah, there was no cultural, ethnic, or anything to this.

00:30:11.940 No, I mean you could say that this was implicitly white, like a NASCAR rally is implicitly white, but even that isn't entirely true and kind of conceals more than it reveals.

00:30:27.540 You could say that about any Patriot event.

00:30:29.560 It's implicitly white. 0.50

00:30:31.680 If this was a Patriot event, it wasn't any kind of ethnic nationalist, racial national – I mean people are trying to say this was – there was no racial aspect or anything to this.

00:30:41.080 It was totally about Q prophecy. 0.93

00:30:43.080 It was like religious.

00:30:43.940 It was like QA not. 0.66

00:30:45.800 I think there is – you could say that there's a racial component in the background of it in the sense that these are a lot of middle class and, say, lower middle class or blue-collar whites who have kind of – who are like dealing with the anxiety of dispossession and demographic change and so on.

00:31:09.460 I mean clearly that's in the background of it, but that's definitely not in the foreground, and it's not pointing in that direction in the slightest.

00:31:16.540 So I got here.

00:31:18.800 Alex Jones had vowed for months that 1776 will commence again, and this was the millennarian apocalyptic mindset that his supporters had when they stormed the Capitol.

00:31:29.940 Now, the night before, literally the night before Alex Jones was in D.C., he was speaking to these people, right?

00:31:35.480 And Alex Jones was saying stuff like, some of you are not going to make it is what he said.

00:31:40.220 So it's like, Alex, you kind of – the interview with the Q shaman was just hilarious. 0.59

00:31:50.080 Alex is like, you're a wizard.

00:31:51.500 Alex is like, you're a wizard. 1.00

00:31:52.760 You're a nut. 0.99

00:31:53.340 None of this Q stuff is true. 0.99

00:31:54.700 Now, to be fair to Alex, Alex has been opposed to Q for a long time because that's one of his rivals in the conspiracy.

00:32:01.820 Yes, but he got on the Q train very – he and – I think I was tweeting out in a jokey fashion, you know, Alex has gone hinged, and Alex, you know, that was just being, you know, a little bit cute.

00:32:16.760 Oh, he was not picking credit for that.

00:32:18.980 Very early.

00:32:19.740 No, Alex jumped on the Q train very early with – who was that other guy?

00:32:24.740 Lee Corsi, is that his name?

00:32:26.800 Jerome Corsi.

00:32:27.800 Yeah.

00:32:28.260 And then Q kind of turned on them because there was a big, you know, rivalry going for the same audience, and he attacked Q.

00:32:37.060 But he seemed – again, these guys seem to kind of – much like a broke clock is right twice a day, they seem to kind of, like, go – they seem to, like, be correct about things almost for, like, the wrong reasons or for, like, purely personal reasons or something.

00:32:52.040 Yeah.

00:32:52.960 Here's two of the biggest –

00:32:54.360 Go ahead.

00:32:54.860 Two of the biggest differences.

00:32:56.080 All right.

00:32:56.440 The Capitol siege was a SIVNAT event hosted by Trump and Alex Jones, and Charlottesville was an FNAT event that attracted people who were not Trump supporters.

00:33:04.860 Obvious.

00:33:05.300 This was a Patriot, an American Patriot, and that MAGA event.

00:33:14.760 This was not like a – this was not like a white nationalist, any kind of pro-white event.

00:33:21.260 This was a SIVNAT Patriot event.

00:33:23.320 That's a huge difference.

00:33:25.160 And, yeah, because, I mean, people who were, like, sincere ethnic nationalists just were not interested – like me and you were not even paying attention to this, right?

00:33:33.900 No.

00:33:35.300 So, here's by far one of the biggest differences between Charlottesville and the Capitol siege.

00:33:44.220 Charlottesville spiraled out of control because it was disrupted by Antifa.

00:33:48.200 In contrast, Antifa did not come out on January 6th, and there is no evidence that Antifa disrupted the MAGA march.

00:33:54.800 So, in Charlottesville –

00:33:55.420 That is remarkable.

00:33:56.260 It was remarkable.

00:33:57.380 Right.

00:33:58.680 They didn't even bother.

00:33:59.720 Why was they?

00:33:59.960 They didn't even come out. 1.00

00:34:00.380 They didn't bother because they knew that it was just so stupid? 0.99

00:34:04.240 Well, I guess they assumed – I guess Antifa assumed that, you know, it was just – this is just the Alex Stone show, right? 0.99

00:34:09.740 Yeah.

00:34:09.980 The whole point of this – the whole point of this is for these guys to grift, and it's not going to change anything in the end.

00:34:17.740 This is just performance art.

00:34:18.880 And I guess both us and Antifa had the same perspective on it.

00:34:22.500 It's just a waste of our time to follow this.

00:34:26.780 But, of course, Alex – now, Alex is claiming that the people who got ahead of the bus – Alex's story is that it was actually Antifa who started the fights at the front.

00:34:37.740 And then duped the cutards into storming the capital, much to his horror as he arrived. 1.00

00:34:44.880 That's Alex's official story, trying to blame it on Antifa.

00:34:48.540 Right.

00:34:49.620 No.

00:34:50.320 But that's not what happened.

00:34:51.500 It was just the cutards who were ready to – the storm had arrived. 1.00

00:34:56.460 Yeah.

00:34:57.200 This was 1776, and like he had told them the night before, you know, some of you aren't going to make it.

00:35:03.500 And they believed him, so.

00:35:04.960 Ali said victory or death.

00:35:07.740 I mean, how else do you take that?

00:35:11.400 Yeah.

00:35:11.740 So – and, of course, here's the absolute biggest difference between Charlottesville and the capital siege.

00:35:18.080 FNATs and Antifa were the two sides in Charlottesville, and neither played any role in the capital siege.

00:35:24.860 This was just – and here's the biggest difference.

00:35:26.560 It was patriots and MAGA versus the police.

00:35:30.020 That was the two sides.

00:35:31.000 It was them engaged in criminal activity versus the police, and that was not what happened at all in Charlottesville.

00:35:38.340 No.

00:35:39.900 No.

00:35:40.320 This was just – and Charlottesville was just Antifa coming in and disrupting a white nationalist event.

00:35:45.540 I mean that's been going on for 30 years, but that's totally different from what happened at the capital siege.

00:35:51.800 And, of course, here's another big difference.

00:35:55.520 In Charlottesville, FNATs had a federal court order and the legal right to be at the United Right rally in Lee Park.

00:36:02.160 In contrast, the people who participated in the capital siege had no legal right to be there in the capital to disrupt the electoral college vote.

00:36:10.680 Needless to say, it's not something you're supposed to do.

00:36:14.620 It's a serious federal crime to even talk about doing something like that, much less do it.

00:36:20.800 I mean there was no pretense.

00:36:23.500 What we were doing in Charlottesville was completely illegal.

00:36:26.540 We had the federal court order.

00:36:27.940 It was a permitted rally.

00:36:31.120 We were supposed to be at that place at that time.

00:36:33.760 Whereas, this was the exact opposite of this.

00:36:37.240 This was like some kind of criminal – I mean it was criminal.

00:36:41.540 I mean they broke the law doing this, clearly.

00:36:44.720 Well, also, I think this is also a big difference.

00:36:48.020 And granted, I'm being a little bit speculative here, but I think this is reasoned speculation.

00:36:57.140 Is that in terms of the organizers or major figures at Charlottesville, we have been all tossed into this one bin and we're defendants in this absurd lawfare civil case.

00:37:16.100 So that is a civil case.

00:37:18.440 That is not a criminal prosecution.

00:37:21.760 And they, you know, allege conspiracy.

00:37:24.700 I mean, again, as I've written publicly, I mean, in terms of my co-defendants, like I didn't know half of them or two-thirds of them.

00:37:33.860 I didn't know that they exist and I still can't differentiate them.

00:37:38.320 So it's kind of like it's a weird conspiracy.

00:37:40.500 But anyway, in terms of criminal prosecution, they went after, you could say, supporters or unknown people or kind of – they went after them.

00:37:56.660 So they would prosecute people who were in this chaotic situation and got into fights and used, you know, again, allegedly disproportionate force.

00:38:06.360 Or, you know, James Fields being the best example of someone who has been criminally prosecuted to the hilt.

00:38:12.820 He's actually, you know, serving lifetimes in prison.

00:38:16.140 400, 500 years is what they gave James Fields.

00:38:18.820 Yeah, and so that – this is how I see this breaking down.

00:38:27.300 Obviously, people whose faces are on camera and who are in the Capitol, like, these guys are going to jail.

00:38:37.320 And they're going to go to jail for a decade in some ways due to a law that was passed against BLM by Trump, ironically, that was meant to protect statues.

00:38:50.560 These guys are definitely going to be prosecuted to the hilt.

00:38:53.580 The major difference I see is that I don't think that all of the people who were surrounding this event need to worry too much about some civil suit, you know, filed by some, you know, big law firm in New York City.

00:39:09.500 They might get that.

00:39:10.900 They almost undoubtedly will.

00:39:12.300 Yeah, they're just going to be that.

00:39:13.000 But that's not the big thing that they need to worry about.

00:39:15.340 That's the equivalent of having a flat tire in comparison to what they need to worry about.

00:39:21.760 These – I am – this is reasoned speculation.

00:39:26.580 The federal government is going to pursue the leaders and organizers of this rally and people who benefited from the millions of dollars that were flowing through the whole stop the steal thing.

00:39:41.820 They are going to pursue this to the hilt.

00:39:44.520 And this – the difference is Charlottesville was, you know, kind of – you know, it was an embarrassment to, say, the American brand in the sense that there was chaos. 0.70

00:39:57.700 They're, you know, white nationalists. 0.95

00:39:59.500 They're communists.

00:40:00.300 They're fighting.

00:40:01.200 We don't look like – this is not a good look.

00:40:05.280 You know, we don't look like a big, great empire riding high.

00:40:08.980 We look like there's chaos.

00:40:10.700 True.

00:40:11.020 You're getting to my – this is an – they are going to view this as an insurrection.

00:40:18.940 And you cannot claim that, oh, I didn't go into the Capitol, so I'm going to be fine.

00:40:25.560 And, I mean, I actually was listening on YouTube.

00:40:28.580 I was listening to some of Nick Fuentes.

00:40:32.360 I probably listened to Nick Fuentes for longer durations than I ever have.

00:40:36.400 I listened to about 30 minutes.

00:40:38.540 I usually just see all these clips.

00:40:40.560 He was boasting about it.

00:40:41.760 He's like, we went in there.

00:40:43.260 We knocked the doors down.

00:40:45.440 We went in there.

00:40:46.120 We were shoving people.

00:40:47.680 He was admitting to federal crimes on a live stream.

00:40:52.040 A federal criminal conspiracy.

00:40:54.800 Yes.

00:40:55.280 Very similar to Baked Alaska live streaming the event.

00:40:59.060 Now, the other thing that I listened to – I don't know if this came a day later or something,

00:41:02.760 because all of these are, like, taken from, I guess, not DLive anymore, taken from wherever and then uploaded to YouTube.

00:41:10.140 But he was basically actually being a lot more sound.

00:41:13.780 He was explaining the issues in a rather smart fashion.

00:41:19.180 I was actually kind of surprised.

00:41:21.080 But even in this, you know, monologue, the delusion was really present, and I think it's going to be obvious.

00:41:31.840 So he basically explained what they were doing, and then he said things like, I didn't go into the Capitol, so those people who went into the Capitol have something to worry about.

00:41:44.740 And average Trump supporters have something to worry about because, you know, they're going to crack down on average Trump supporters.

00:41:50.760 No, they're not.

00:41:51.420 They are not going to go knock on the door of average Trumpies and throw them into prison.

00:41:58.640 They are knocking on your door, my friend.

00:42:01.660 I'm just telling you, and it does not matter that much that you didn't actually enter the Capitol, if that's true.

00:42:08.380 Like, there's a little ambiguity about that.

00:42:11.560 They are going to go after the leaders of this event on criminal conspiracy charges to engage in an insurrection.

00:42:19.960 Because this is a level of embarrassment that makes Charlottesville look like a little pimple on your cheek as compared to your house burning down.

00:42:31.160 Like, this is not okay.

00:42:33.580 They do not view conspiracies to disrupt Congress and disrupt the government itself as fun and games that might have gotten out of hand.

00:42:43.900 And the other aspect of this is that, unlike Charlottesville, there is clearly, we know, there is clearly hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars, just flowing through this.

00:42:56.620 I mean, Donald Trump and the GOP raised, what is it, a quarter of a billion for the stop the steal nonsense?

00:43:02.560 And then, you know, we know of hundreds of thousands being tossed around with all this.

00:43:08.400 You're saying that there was 500,000 spent by Alex Jones to build a stage.

00:43:14.240 And, like, there were millions of dollars just flowing around this.

00:43:18.740 There are digital records of that, regardless of if it's Bitcoin or whatever.

00:43:23.140 There are digital records of that.

00:43:24.820 And I would not be surprised if the feds used this as a precedent to basically disclose Bitcoin senders, because they do not tolerate this.

00:43:39.380 You do not question the sovereignty of a nation state and an empire.

00:43:46.020 You just don't do it.

00:43:47.840 And they are not going to go after all of these fairy tales about they're going to go after average Trump supporters.

00:43:56.160 They're not.

00:43:57.220 They actually want to maintain order.

00:44:00.020 They're not going to start breaking into the homes of Trump voters and beating them up or whatever.

00:44:06.620 That is crazy.

00:44:08.440 And they're not going to do that.

00:44:09.560 What they are going to do is make an example of the people who organized this and who were clearly attempting borderline insurrection at the very least.

00:44:19.400 Now, I would probably defend the idea of performance art outside the Capitol yelling at congressmen.

00:44:25.020 Like, defend it legally, even if I don't support it.

00:44:27.720 But it eventuated into this nonsense.

00:44:31.460 The rhetoric was hot.

00:44:33.480 And they are going after all these people.

00:44:36.840 And they're going to probably wait.

00:44:38.300 It's not like I've heard the other aspect of when Ted's talking, he's like, well, once the fog of war calms down, things are calmed down, we're going to be okay.

00:44:46.880 They are not going to calm down.

00:44:48.640 They're going to calm down in like the near term in the sense that all the people whose faces are on camera entering the Capitol are going to get arrested.

00:44:56.120 And then there's going to be like a new calm.

00:44:58.920 But the idea that this will not be a long-term, like, prosecuted event of something like treason or insurrection is ridiculous.

00:45:11.700 There are going to be congressional hearings on this, very much like Benghazi.

00:45:16.780 More people died in this event than died in Benghazi.

00:45:19.880 And how many congressional hearings of Benghazi did we have, like half a dozen or whatever?

00:45:24.900 There are going to be – this is so serious.

00:45:28.440 They just don't see how serious this is.

00:45:32.100 And it is kind of incredible.

00:45:34.800 I mean, I guess they're kind of in denial.

00:45:36.220 But I think they might be kind of ignorant about what is coming down on them in a new administration. 0.81

00:45:44.300 An example will be made of them. 0.77

00:45:46.760 And it's going to be the organizers.

00:45:48.280 And it is not going to be average goofballs who attended this. 0.87

00:45:53.720 Yeah.

00:45:54.320 So, like, Nick's like, we don't have anything to worry about.

00:45:57.020 Guys, we're fine.

00:45:58.520 All right.

00:45:58.860 One of his supporters – did you see this? 1.00

00:46:01.280 One of his supporters went – he was stupid enough to make himself a flag, right? 1.00

00:46:06.220 The America First flag. 0.99

00:46:07.960 And one of his supporters went in with the flag and went all through Congress and went – it was actually down on the floor of the Congress with the America First flag with the horn guy.

00:46:23.200 So they're obviously – I mean, there's obviously – like you've already said this.

00:46:29.060 This is not like Charlottesville.

00:46:30.740 There's stuff here for a criminal conspiracy case, right?

00:46:35.620 Like, look at this.

00:46:37.840 Baked Alaska the night before the event was on his live stream talking to people saying that they were going to storm the Capitol.

00:46:45.520 Yeah.

00:46:45.660 Like, that's premeditated.

00:46:48.260 Yeah.

00:46:48.660 Baked is like – and the guy's like, I shouldn't – the guy's like, I shouldn't talk about this because I'll be arrested.

00:46:54.920 But what do you tell you on the live stream anyway?

00:46:56.900 We're going to storm the Capitol tomorrow.

00:46:58.540 We're going inside.

00:46:59.140 And Baked is like, let's go.

00:47:00.100 Oh, we're going – yeah, it was like, we're going inside.

00:47:02.840 So, I mean, there he is right there.

00:47:04.700 I mean, there they are right there on video, on video admitting to premeditated conspiracy.

00:47:11.380 Yeah.

00:47:12.100 And then, of course, Baked is like – is inside screaming, occupy the Capitol. 0.94

00:47:17.840 Is inside – and not just in that, he's – Baked is saying, I told you to trust the plan.

00:47:22.140 I told you to trust the plan.

00:47:23.540 Saying that there was a plan is how it's going to be interpreted.

00:47:28.180 Plausibly interpreted, I would add.

00:47:30.740 I mean –

00:47:30.900 He's like, I told you to trust the plan.

00:47:32.760 I told you – they're going to grill Baked, and they're going to be like, Baked, what was the plan?

00:47:36.760 Right.

00:47:36.960 Right?

00:47:37.420 This is another thing Quintus said.

00:47:39.960 Yeah, on his – on his, again, like, relatively reasonable, like, discussion of this that I listened to last night, this is another thing he said.

00:47:48.400 He was like, yeah, you know, I said we're going to invade the Capitol, but I was being ironic at the point.

00:47:54.700 It's like –

00:47:55.420 It was totally satire.

00:47:58.700 It was totally satire.

00:47:59.100 This is what they always do.

00:48:00.820 It's all irony.

00:48:02.080 And so you don't – like, we – it annoys the hell out of us because it's like, okay, man, then what do you believe?

00:48:09.880 Like, I'm curious.

00:48:11.140 Like, can you be non-ironic here?

00:48:13.660 What do you believe?

00:48:14.160 But the problem is, that's like annoyance for us.

00:48:17.240 When you're engaged in criminal prosecution, no one buys that.

00:48:21.500 Like, you cannot just say, oh, that was ironic.

00:48:24.880 Oh, that was non-ironic.

00:48:26.340 Okay.

00:48:26.680 That was semi-ironic.

00:48:27.840 It does not work that way.

00:48:30.200 We know Baked is going to be arrested, and Baked is on video saying that – I mean, premeditated beforehand, saying that – saying in the process of the crime, saying that it was a plan.

00:48:41.820 Yeah.

00:48:41.960 Beforehand saying it was – beforehand claiming like he was getting his guns ready for the Civil War, saying the night before, talking to a guy saying that we're going into the Capitol.

00:48:52.540 We shouldn't talk about it on video because we'd be arrested, right?

00:48:54.720 So Baked is definitely going down for this.

00:48:57.340 Now, as for Nick, let's just assume Nick escapes federal – let's just assume that Nick is fortunate and escapes federal criminal conspiracy charges over this.

00:49:06.580 Even though Nick was the one working with Ali, working with Alex Jones to put all this together and getting paid for it too, right?

00:49:17.560 Received a quarter of a million in Bitcoin days before he did it.

00:49:21.580 Well, I mean, as Kessler – as Jason pointed out correctly on Twitter, Kessler, why wouldn't Nick get hit in some kind of signs versus Kessler civil lawsuit?

00:49:34.860 When they filed the civil lawsuit, they sued all kinds of organizations, right?

00:49:38.340 They're not going to sue America first.

00:49:40.800 They're not going to sue Nick Fuente's defendant.

00:49:42.820 They're not going to sue Stop the Steal.

00:49:48.320 They're not going to sue Ali Akbar.

00:49:50.160 Of course they are, right?

00:49:51.560 So let's just assume that some of these guys don't go down for a federal criminal conspiracy charges.

00:49:59.220 They're going to get sued out of oblivion, and it's also going to be in the D.C. court too, right?

00:50:05.260 It's going to be in the D.C. federal court, right?

00:50:09.420 And they're going to get crucified.

00:50:10.840 I agree with you, but I don't think they even need to worry about civil lawsuits.

00:50:18.420 That's like my car has a flat tire.

00:50:21.120 That's the level of a civil lawsuit for these people because the issue is serious prison time.

00:50:26.820 Yeah, right, right.

00:50:27.860 Moving on with the things, and I think we've already discussed this, but I said, in storming the U.S. Capitol, the people who participated in the Capitol siege attacked the seat of government of the United States to dispute the outcome of an election.

00:50:40.840 Which is very different from hosting a legal free speech rally in a public park in a college town in Virginia.

00:50:46.880 Like there's no comparison.

00:50:48.840 There's no comparison between what Charlottesville was and what this was.

00:50:53.060 Charlottesville was nothing but a free speech rally in defense of a Confederate monument in a college town.

00:50:58.500 This is them going into the Capitol of the United States to occupy the building to disrupt the Electoral College vote.

00:51:07.940 So, I mean, that's federal – that's federal civil law too, right?

00:51:12.540 They violate it.

00:51:13.120 I've already seen some of the guys have been arrested under the statutes that they broke.

00:51:19.660 All right, so we got – in Charlottesville, Unite, the right protesters cooperated with the police and dispersed in order to do so.

00:51:27.640 In the Capitol siege, the people who participated attacked the police.

00:51:32.080 They killed a police officer, and the Capitol police also shot and killed Ashley Babbitt.

00:51:37.260 The helicopter crash in Charlottesville that killed police was mechanical failure.

00:51:40.900 It had nothing to do with the rally.

00:51:41.880 Right.

00:51:44.000 Right.

00:51:45.460 They all – yes, they hit a – reportedly, they hit a police officer over the head with a fire extinguisher, and he has died.

00:51:54.200 And another guy in a shocking video, another police officer was basically having his torso crushed by a throng of people.

00:52:05.360 A second cop died today, I saw.

00:52:09.060 Oh.

00:52:09.860 I don't know if it's related to this.

00:52:10.860 A second – a second – a second Capitol police officer died?

00:52:14.980 I'm not sure.

00:52:16.540 It hasn't come out the cause of death, but you can imagine.

00:52:21.060 It was suicide.

00:52:21.460 So they attacked – they literally attacked – okay, what was – in Charlottesville, it was just like the police failed to maintain order, right?

00:52:30.520 This is – they attacked – they literally attacked the federal police defending the Capitol, so.

00:52:35.720 Yeah.

00:52:36.960 And overwhelmed them in an embarrassing fashion.

00:52:39.680 Yeah.

00:52:39.980 Big money was behind the MAGA march, and you're not right, there was no money.

00:52:45.660 It was just people coming and driving on their own or raising a few bucks off PayPal to share gas.

00:52:52.920 I mean this was like – I mean we've talked about the Bitcoin theory before, and I mean all the – I mean just looking at the financial aspect of this is going to get people caught up, right?

00:53:06.320 When that comes under scrutiny.

00:53:08.620 Yes.

00:53:08.760 How many ways can they – how many ways can they screw – if they really wanted to screw people like Alex Jones and Nick?

00:53:15.300 I mean do they get them for like stuff like tax evasion or – I mean who knows?

00:53:20.220 What's – when that bright – when you're in that bright spotlight, how many ways they can screw you?

00:53:26.320 We found that out.

00:53:28.460 Yeah.

00:53:28.720 Okay.

00:53:28.920 So here's a huge difference.

00:53:31.940 All right.

00:53:32.680 So we've already talked about Nick boasting about the event after the event was over, taking credit for it, saying, oh, these people are – your honor, your honor, we busted into that door.

00:53:44.240 We took over Congress, and there was nothing like that after Charlottesville.

00:53:48.280 No one, to my knowledge, ever said anything like that, that incriminating, ever.

00:53:53.840 No.

00:53:55.060 And then, of course, you've got to remember there were pipe bombs that were placed outside the RNC and DNC headquarters, and no one brought pipe bombs to Charlottesville.

00:54:05.420 So – and there was guys arrested with Molotov cocktails and –

00:54:10.280 Yes, the West Virginia guy, I believe the guy who put his feet on the desk had a –

00:54:15.840 Yeah.

00:54:17.420 Was – had a cask of Molotov cocktails.

00:54:23.400 I mean, God.

00:54:24.660 Yes.

00:54:25.060 So – and, of course, we've already said that Wignats had no interest in this event.

00:54:30.340 But they've blamed – I mean, I've seen people blame Michael Tubbs from the League of the South.

00:54:34.240 And Fox News wrote a story saying that Heimbach was there.

00:54:38.780 Yeah, I saw that.

00:54:40.200 That was bizarre.

00:54:41.680 Yeah.

00:54:42.520 I mean, I don't know if he was there or not.

00:54:44.540 I have no idea.

00:54:46.080 But I'm 99% sure he would not have participated in this.

00:54:50.480 Yeah.

00:54:50.760 The difference – I mean, let's just get right to that.

00:54:54.280 And this is all I've wrote.

00:54:56.360 But the biggest difference by far is that, okay, none of us were ever arrested on federal criminal conspiracy charges because there was no proof that any of us were doing anything but going to a rally, right?

00:55:09.800 Yeah.

00:55:10.540 I mean, I'm sure the FBI looked at that as hard as they could.

00:55:14.660 They couldn't find – the FBI, the DOJ couldn't find anything except, you know, okay, people went to a rally.

00:55:21.820 Antifa came and disrupted the event, and that was it, right?

00:55:28.160 There was nothing – I mean, there was no criminal – I mean, I never even got contacted by the Charlottesville police or anything.

00:55:33.520 Everyone knew what happened.

00:55:35.500 Antifa disrupted the event, and that was it.

00:55:37.980 And this – and this – I mean, and even then, you know, the Sons versus Kessler lawsuit that you're a part of and Kessler's a part of has gone on for four years, three, four years, because there's no evidence of a conspiracy, right?

00:55:51.180 Yeah.

00:55:51.620 None.

00:55:51.960 They can't find anything.

00:55:52.660 They just keep dragging us out.

00:55:54.940 Just look at the – just look at the – what do you think?

00:55:57.940 I mean, was that completely random that they stormed the Capitol like that?

00:56:02.680 I don't think so.

00:56:04.140 No.

00:56:04.700 Absolutely not.

00:56:05.560 No, no.

00:56:05.940 There were people – I mean, like we saw, people like Baked was talking to this guy about doing it the night before and admitted on video that – admitted on video that, you know, we shouldn't be talking about this.

00:56:20.880 We'll get arrested for it, but we're going to, like, break in the Capitol.

00:56:23.880 Well, the hyper real bit back, I think, because one of – another big difference, and I think this is largely generational, is that, you know, I have built my adult career around, you know, using – being the alternative media on the internet.

00:56:45.580 You know, doing videos, doing videos, doing podcasts, all of this kind of stuff, and not, you know, writing articles for the New York Times or something.

00:56:55.800 But – so I appreciate that.

00:56:58.860 But I think one of the big things that we see with the Zoomers and the millennials is that they create hyper real content. 1.00

00:57:07.040 So they're streaming everything.

00:57:08.900 They're kind of, like, just streaming and waiting for something to happen.

00:57:13.500 Whereas, you know, I guess you and I's concept of this is that you kind of make something happen, and then you put it on the internet as a publishing platform.

00:57:21.880 They just stream on a platform and just wait for drama to occur and call it content.

00:57:29.960 And that is going to bite back, you know, because basically their life exists digitally and not physically in this kind of weird way.

00:57:40.520 And everything that they did is now documented, and everything that they did beforehand, immediately beforehand, is now fully documented.

00:57:51.940 And it's out of their control by the very nature of this, you know, live stream, like living your life digitally.

00:57:59.540 And they also think that it all happened digitally, I think, is this other aspect to it, where it's like – it's like, yeah, you know, I was saying we should storm the Capitol, but I was being ironic about it.

00:58:12.780 You know, it's like – I don't know what to say to you.

00:58:19.300 You know, irony is by its very nature kind of subtle.

00:58:23.340 I mean –

00:58:23.780 Nuance.

00:58:24.540 I mean we saw this – we saw this in the Goripa War, right, where so many of these kids couldn't separate the – what was it, the Joker fantasy from real life, where they were like acting it out and like acting it out like in real life, like they were part of the movie or something.

00:58:45.400 Yeah.

00:58:46.360 This was our Joker moment, according to Nathaniel.

00:58:48.940 This was our Joker – yeah, this was our Joker moment, like this was – this was Joker in real life, and it was – it was awesome, guys.

00:58:56.500 Right.

00:58:56.820 And remember Joker himself.

00:58:58.760 And I thought Joker – well, yeah, he went to a mental asylum and killed his nurse or whatever.

00:59:04.900 But anyway, Joker also, it's kind of telling me – and again, I actually thought that was a pretty good film.

00:59:12.120 I was not enthused by it in the way others were, and I thought it was pretty –

00:59:18.200 He was an insane man flipping into his –

00:59:20.240 Derivative film. 0.88

00:59:21.540 But he lived that dissociated life.

00:59:24.380 Now, it was obviously pre-live streaming, but, you know, he was dating a girl in his dreams in a way, and he was a great figure in his dreams.

00:59:35.640 He saw big crowds gathering, and he just kind of like joined in them and then weirdly kind of became their hero in the Dionysian chaos that eventuated by it all.

00:59:48.200 So I think it was their Joker moment, kind of in ways that they don't understand.

00:59:53.700 And Joker was a serial killer who went to prison.

01:00:00.580 No, in Bakes –

01:00:01.680 Yeah.

01:00:02.760 In Bakes' case – in Bakes' case, I mean, if you look – if you try to – if you ask anybody on the internet, try to explain Baked Alaska, right?

01:00:11.320 This is a guy who's – I mean, did you see that porcelain documentary on him?

01:00:16.120 Oh, I think I did, like, from, like, a year and a half ago or so.

01:00:19.780 Yeah. 0.92

01:00:20.020 Yeah, yeah, that porcelain documentary about how Bakes' entire life has been a quest for e-fame and e-cloud and being, like, an attention whore. 0.86

01:00:30.180 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:30.520 Doing jackass – doing jackass-style stunts to draw attention. 0.97

01:00:34.980 The only thing Bakes wants in life is to be known. 0.99

01:00:37.760 He's one of those people.

01:00:38.580 He doesn't have any ideology.

01:00:39.880 He's not a white supremacist.

01:00:41.460 No.

01:00:41.880 He has achieved his goal.

01:00:44.480 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:45.060 I mean, we've seen it – I've seen it – I mean, I've seen it – we've seen it countless times, right, where – but Bakes will be live streaming, and he'll run after – he'll run after something screaming, content, content, content, right?

01:00:58.580 Yeah.

01:00:59.140 Like, he goes around – he'll go around – he'll – he went all around the country macing people for content, and then, of course, he was – for content, he was live streaming over the past two months.

01:01:12.020 Now, this is what I don't understand about Nick and Optics, in that, you know, for two months before this, Baked had been, you know, the Jerry Springer show on New Life.

01:01:23.200 You know, we've talked about it in one of our previous things, about how, you know, he was – look at me. 0.91

01:01:30.240 I'm the literal wig-napped, white trash guy who's – has messing around with all these women and, you know, getting into fights at bars and trailer parks and stuff like that. 0.95

01:01:43.840 So, I mean, it was obvious this guy was bad optics. 0.99

01:01:46.180 Like, assaulting, like, blue-collar black women who work at convenience stores. 0.96

01:01:51.760 It's like – 0.98

01:01:52.200 Right, right.

01:01:52.980 The level of bad optics of that is, like, so beyond.

01:01:58.060 I mean, Nick's own people were telling him – Nick's own people were telling him, you know, you got to get rid of Baked Alaska because he's bad optics.

01:02:05.860 And Nick was like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:02:07.880 We need to – we need to keep Baked Alaska.

01:02:12.180 Yoba is great optics, yeah.

01:02:14.300 Is this –

01:02:14.980 He's just a court jester.

01:02:16.300 He's just a court jester.

01:02:18.180 We'll keep this guy around.

01:02:20.180 Is – is this being recorded?

01:02:24.860 Yes, this is being recorded.

01:02:27.280 Oh, okay.

01:02:28.140 I was going to say something because I hung out with him a lot and I was going to say something, but never mind.

01:02:33.300 I can cut it out if you want to say it.

01:02:35.680 This is – this is being recorded, but I can cut it.

01:02:38.120 Why don't you say what – speak your piece and I'll note this time and I'll cut it out.

01:02:42.700 Yeah, I hung out with him a lot and he did some stuff that I wasn't very comfortable with, but I was just kind of smiling along because I wanted to be friends.

01:02:53.080 But, yeah, I can attest to everything you just said.

01:02:56.980 I was with him when he maced some people and he definitely instigated a lot of stuff and, yeah.

01:03:03.600 Yeah.

01:03:03.780 You can't – you play the hyper-reel and it bites back.

01:03:09.460 It comes – the hyper-reel goes into reality.

01:03:14.040 But Baked was – yeah, I mean, this was pure – this was a pure-baked Alaska moment when he has actually stormed the Capitol and is screaming, occupy the Capitol.

01:03:23.800 People are making fun of – he's like, I got 10,000 viewers.

01:03:29.080 But the 10,000 viewers are like, are you – have you gone insane?

01:03:32.360 Are you willing to go to jail?

01:03:33.980 Are you willing to go – are you willing to go to jail for the live streams?

01:03:39.100 Even Andrew Englund was – Andrew Englund was making fun of him saying that.

01:03:43.480 They should let Baked Alaska stream around the yard of federal. 0.87

01:03:49.160 They should.

01:03:49.900 I mean, so – yeah, some guy – I mean, all he – all Baked really wanted with this was he was chasing – he went into the Capitol to chase content like he always does.

01:03:59.480 But they're going to frame that.

01:04:00.980 People who don't understand that are going to twist this.

01:04:03.560 I mean, did you see he was on CNN as like Cena, the insurrection?

01:04:08.460 Yeah.

01:04:09.340 They're going to nail this guy.

01:04:11.540 I don't – no.

01:04:13.160 And I don't want Baked to go to prison.

01:04:15.680 And I don't want – because, I mean, I've known the guy – of the guy for years.

01:04:20.060 I know he was just chasing all Baked, all those dollar signs and content written into the Capitol foolishly. 1.00

01:04:27.240 But he was interested in – and again, I don't know him deeply.

01:04:32.960 I mean, I've met him certainly.

01:04:34.980 Yeah.

01:04:35.160 But – and I don't even know if there's any there there, to be honest.

01:04:40.340 I think with a lot of these people, they – we might be dealing with a kind of level of sociopathy, just like a lack of personality.

01:04:49.080 But he was attracted to the alt-right and me, like in 2017, because we were the badasses.

01:04:59.400 You know, we were the tough guy and the block and all the media.

01:05:03.240 A way to promote himself.

01:05:04.780 But it was a way to promote himself in a way to just get to touch that Dionysian energy that was flowing around things.

01:05:12.540 And if you operate like that and there's no core, then this is what it will eventuate into.

01:05:21.400 You have to have an actual personality.

01:05:23.640 You can't just, like, change every two days and do this.

01:05:27.240 You're going to – it will eventuate in crime.

01:05:29.620 And if you're questing after content, like, what is the biggest content you can get?

01:05:34.720 Crime, death, destruction.

01:05:37.480 You know, I mean, you just get there at some level, you're videotaping your own, like, demise.

01:05:46.720 Or you're creating a kind of snuff film or something.

01:05:49.640 I mean, that's the – that's where this goes.

01:05:52.940 Nick's own people have been warning him about this guy for, I mean, forever.

01:05:57.220 I mean, we've already covered about, you know, the bad optics of him going around, you know, messing around with all these schizophrenic women, saying that he was messing around with an underage girl.

01:06:09.140 That girl was with him in D.C. and spray-painted a swastika, you know, outside the Holiday Inn they were staying at on video.

01:06:16.880 That's really – yeah.

01:06:17.880 But that's not even the thing.

01:06:19.400 I mean, we've seen – one of the episodes of Yoba's season, if you don't remember, was – remember the time he cracked and said, you know, I repudiate the alt-right and I've reformed myself?

01:06:31.700 And we saw how – look how – in that case, he broke because he got banned from YouTube.

01:06:39.700 Yeah.

01:06:40.380 The guy turned on people because there was no principles.

01:06:44.540 There was no court there.

01:06:45.040 He blamed – he mentioned me by name in that video.

01:06:47.880 So when was this, 2018 or 2019?

01:06:50.660 Yeah.

01:06:51.380 Yeah.

01:06:52.060 Richard Spencer got me into this.

01:06:53.640 Yeah.

01:06:54.080 Richard Spencer out there, and they're going to lead to, you know, spree shootings.

01:06:59.260 I forgot what he was saying.

01:07:00.540 Oh, it was –

01:07:01.040 And I want to help people de – yeah, and I want to help people de-radicalize.

01:07:05.680 That was just one more mask that he was wearing, one more way of putting blame on other people.

01:07:12.580 And it was utterly meaningless. 0.83

01:07:14.500 And then next – you know, a year and a half later, he's talking to that, you know, goofy boomer on the day before the Stop the Steal thing, and he's like, I'm doing this for the white race. 0.70

01:07:26.680 You know?

01:07:27.680 I mean, it's just – there's no – they're there.

01:07:30.620 There's no – I don't even believe him when he says he's doing this for the white race.

01:07:33.940 I think that's another lie.

01:07:35.760 Like, there's no personality there.

01:07:37.940 There's no core.

01:07:39.540 It is just – it is a digital personality seeking out chaos, and it eventuates in this.

01:07:47.440 And it might even eventuate in things that are worse than this.

01:07:49.600 Yeah, one thing me and you and Keith talked about is – I mean, we've seen how viciously these alt-white types can be when they turn on each other. 1.00

01:07:58.120 Imagine, you know, Baked and Nick and Alex and Ali and all the rest of the gang here are going to get, you know, get frog-marched into federal court because of this.

01:08:09.420 I mean, how viciously are they going to turn on each other, right, to play themselves?

01:08:14.760 I mean, do you trust – I mean, are you ready to – are you that good of friends with Baked Alaska and Ali that you're ready to face federal criminal or civil charges because of this?

01:08:26.280 Prisoner's Dilemma.

01:08:27.080 Do you trust those guys that much?

01:08:28.820 Prisoner's Dilemma is going to come out in full effect, yes.

01:08:35.960 They're absolutely going to attack one another.

01:08:39.420 And, again, I am in some ways deeply thankful that I was the scapegoat of 2018.

01:08:49.000 I would not have participated in this nonsense for many reasons that are ideological, actually, and curious.

01:08:59.120 But beyond that, I was scapegoated – if you allow me a little bit of self-pity here for a moment.

01:09:07.260 I was scapegoated and basically just kicked out by all these people.

01:09:12.400 Like, you know –

01:09:12.940 Best thing to ever – best thing to ever happen.

01:09:14.600 Yeah, thank you. 0.96

01:09:16.020 Because, like, if I get subpoenaed or questioned about this, I will be – I will absolutely truthfully say, actually, I have no connection to any of this shit at all. 0.77

01:09:28.920 And when they did this January 6th thing, I was actually telling people, oh, yeah, here's another performance theater, you know, nonsense going on. 0.91

01:09:39.980 I had no earthly idea that this was about to happen.

01:09:42.940 And I obviously don't support it anyway.

01:09:45.620 So, yeah, it was the best thing you could – it could ever happen is that these vicious freaks –

01:09:50.680 The silver lining of – silver lining of Charlottesville – yeah, silver lining of Charlottesville is those people split off and became this.

01:09:58.700 And, you know, it culminated in this – they all – who all was there?

01:10:04.660 Was Pat there?

01:10:06.540 I don't know.

01:10:07.000 Well, that's weird.

01:10:08.500 I didn't see – the other little, like, hangers-on, I didn't – I have not seen an image of Scott Greer or Pat Casey in any of these things.

01:10:19.220 But I have not been looking for them.

01:10:21.360 I just have not seen that.

01:10:22.980 And then there was this weird parlor post by Milo saying that he almost was given, like, a heads-up that this was going to be a disaster.

01:10:30.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:32.220 Milo got a knock on the door beforehand about it and warned people not to go.

01:10:35.940 So, no, Ethan Ralph, he didn't go because, like, last month – remember when Ralph got arrested last month over the domestic issue he had in Virginia, he wasn't allowed to leave the state.

01:10:48.280 So, wow, Ralph really dodged a bullet.

01:10:51.040 He did.

01:10:51.600 He absolutely dodged a bullet.

01:10:53.240 Yeah.

01:10:54.420 I don't know if those other guys dodged bullets.

01:10:56.360 I saw – there was one picture that Flint has put up of him when he was claiming that, you know, I didn't go into the castle.

01:11:06.900 He put up a photo.

01:11:08.000 And I noticed, like, some of the cast of characters, like the hangers-on of AF, like the Red Elephants guy and Jaden – or I think it was that.

01:11:20.600 Jaden was there.

01:11:21.480 Jaden was there.

01:11:22.180 Yeah.

01:11:23.180 So, I've seen them.

01:11:24.740 I don't – again, I don't know if – it's kind of surprising that Scott Greer and Pat Casey wouldn't be there.

01:11:33.100 But apparently they were.

01:11:34.520 I don't have any –

01:11:35.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:35.340 They were everything else.

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:38.380 It's odd.

01:11:39.200 If they weren't there, that actually is somewhat suspicious, in fact, because –

01:11:43.180 Yeah, but like I was saying, best thing that ever happened was that divorce, having, you know, nothing to do with this.

01:11:49.760 Yeah.

01:11:50.880 We actually learned – I mean, unlike these guys, we actually learned something – hell, was it – how long ago was it?

01:11:56.660 2017?

01:11:57.940 Yeah.

01:11:58.140 We haven't supported – we haven't supported Trump in four years.

01:12:02.160 No.

01:12:02.260 And boy, did – boy, did, you know, that ever pay off for us, unlike these people.

01:12:08.860 Because they trust Trump right to the end.

01:12:10.540 Yeah, look, this wasn't my – this wasn't my sole motivation.

01:12:13.540 My motivation for voting for Biden was complex.

01:12:18.220 But one of the motivations was just to – you know, I could see where this thing was going. 0.95

01:12:25.220 I did not predict this shit, but I could see this – I could see where this is going, and I don't want to be attached to any of this. 0.98

01:12:35.540 And I have not seen a single article saying, oh, Richard Spencer was – white supremacy was behind this. 0.99

01:12:41.580 We actually discussed this.

01:12:41.980 Yeah.

01:12:42.600 And I think in our final – I think the final thing we did before the election, we had our final conversation.

01:12:49.500 Remember I predicted that the Patriots were going to get violent?

01:12:52.480 Remember that?

01:12:53.840 And then there was like two months there when – yeah, it was two months there when things seemed to be settled down.

01:13:00.060 I thought there was going to be violence.

01:13:01.180 I thought the Patriots – there was going to be some kind of Patriot movement.

01:13:04.300 And it was going to get – remember – oh, not only that.

01:13:05.960 Remember I actually said that Nick was going to be a part of it.

01:13:10.180 Because before the election, we were doing our predictions.

01:13:13.600 We were like, okay, what happens to Greg Johnson after this?

01:13:16.700 What happens to Nick Fuentes after this? 0.92

01:13:18.720 And I predicted that there was going to be some kind of Patriot movement and that all the e-celebs and grifters and attention whores were going to be a part of it. 0.99

01:13:26.640 And it was going to get violent. 0.94

01:13:27.900 That was like, yeah, I forgot about that.

01:13:29.620 I did predict this.

01:13:30.440 It was like two months ago.

01:13:33.160 I'll have to go revisit that.

01:13:34.640 It's all up online.

01:13:36.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:37.040 We have it recorded.

01:13:38.480 We can – but yeah.

01:13:40.620 So they learned absolutely – congratulations, guys.

01:13:43.260 They learned absolutely nothing from five years of experience.

01:13:46.020 They didn't learn anything from Charlottesville because all they did was scapegoat it.

01:13:50.740 Even before that.

01:13:51.360 And they treated it in bad faith.

01:13:53.880 Yeah.

01:13:54.040 And they scapegoated me.

01:13:55.800 They scapegoated Charlottesville.

01:13:57.480 They scapegoated Kessler, you could say, and other people.

01:14:00.860 They scapegoated you guys for Shelbyville and all this kind of stuff.

01:14:04.800 And they – but there's a difference between bad faith criticism of something and learning from it.

01:14:12.320 If you're going to learn from it, you have to engage in good faith criticism.

01:14:16.740 You have to, like, see the good, the bad.

01:14:19.020 What did wrong?

01:14:20.260 Where were we delusional?

01:14:21.380 Where were we too high in our own supply and we didn't see things that outside observers could have?

01:14:28.160 That's how you learn from something.

01:14:29.760 You do not learn from something by scapegoating it.

01:14:32.640 Scapegoating it is a non-rational process where the community puts all of the bad things onto one, you know, icon and then executes it.

01:14:44.180 That is what scapegoating it is.

01:14:45.420 It has nothing to do with rationality.

01:14:48.200 It has everything to do with vindictiveness and resentment and hatred and in some ways saving your own skin.

01:14:55.760 I mean, you don't get scapegoated.

01:14:57.320 So when you engage in that stuff, you don't – you almost by the nature of it don't ever learn anything.

01:15:05.020 One of the biggest lessons of the last five years is that Trump doesn't defend his supporters.

01:15:10.100 That was evident during the campaign.

01:15:12.420 It was evident right after the election when that Trump supporter was abducted in Chicago and was tortured on livestream, and Trump didn't even mention it.

01:15:21.200 Trump hasn't mentioned Ashley Babbitt, who got shot and killed, who literally died for him, right?

01:15:28.380 He actually – Trump actually condemned Babbitt, who went in there and died for him.

01:15:32.760 And then threw all the people who did it under the bus, and then even before – remember, even before the election, he went on Hannity and condemned and disavowed the Proud Boys.

01:15:42.620 And he was running on the Platinum Plan, which was prosecuting the KKK as domestic terrorists or something like that.

01:15:52.740 And these guys learned nothing from it and stuck their neck out for Trump, and so he can get cut right off.

01:15:59.760 Yeah.

01:16:00.320 Yeah, when he literally had, like, 20 days left as president. 1.00

01:16:04.740 Talk about stupid. 1.00

01:16:08.060 It was worth it for the clicks, though, man. 1.00

01:16:11.040 But they don't – they still don't learn anything.

01:16:13.800 I saw one of these – a screenshot of one of these Parler posts by Lin Wood that was deleted by Parler, where he was like,

01:16:22.580 there are going to be nationwide blackouts, but don't worry, like, Trump's still in command, and he's going to –

01:16:29.300 like, this is the moment where he rises up and takes charge and saves us all.

01:16:35.160 Lin Wood is saying that – Lin Wood is saying that Ashley Babbitt was an Antifa plant,

01:16:41.940 and all her own timeline is her retweeting Lin Wood.

01:16:45.040 She was listening to this guy, and he's on record saying that she was Antifa, an Antifa plant, and is denouncing her.

01:16:53.880 What?

01:16:56.040 It doesn't even – oh, God.

01:16:58.320 It doesn't make sense.

01:16:59.180 I'm just so glad right now that – so glad right now I had nothing to do with this, and we had this huge breakup, like, back a few years ago.

01:17:08.480 Wow, that ever – and, you know, being opposed to Trump, that ever, like, pay off for us in the long run. 0.97

01:17:15.500 We don't have to deal with all this crap. 0.97

01:17:16.940 It seems – being truthful and rational is the best strategy. 0.97

01:17:21.840 You have to – you know, and this is what – you have to analyze something in order to be strategic.

01:17:29.100 You can't just have a plan, you know, because I could have a plan to become king of the universe and, you know, a three-step process, this, this, this, that.

01:17:39.820 If I have not properly analyzed the dynamic of the situation, that plan is a fairy tale.

01:17:48.300 And these people can't analyze the situation.

01:17:52.420 They can't understand what's really going on and what the dynamics are and what the facts are.

01:17:58.660 And thus, these plans are either fairy tales or they're, you know, goofy, insane sieges of a Capitol building that are going to get them all killed and thrown in prison.

01:18:13.080 In the – you know, in the end, you know, in the very end, Daily Stormer had become QAnon.

01:18:18.000 I mean, it had become indistinguishable from any of the QAnon.

01:18:21.580 All of these people are shades of Q. 1.00

01:18:23.660 What – the thing that was successful –

01:18:26.000 They merged with that stuff.

01:18:27.400 They merged with that stuff. 0.96

01:18:28.620 The thing that was successful post, say, 2017 was being a shade of Q because everyone else who basically was critical in some way are all accused of being, like, oh, bitter, black-pilled, sarcastic jerks or whatever. 0.93

01:18:49.000 That's what we all – like, I see that criticism. 0.93

01:18:51.460 Or bad optics.

01:18:52.200 That's what I see that criticism.

01:18:53.220 Bad optics.

01:18:53.580 The things that were successful, that is, that were gaining more money, that were basically participating in really big rallies, all of those were shades of QAnon.

01:19:04.440 And obviously, you can make distinctions between Nick Fuentes and QAnon.

01:19:08.720 But the whole point is that it's all flowing in that direction.

01:19:14.160 It is basically Trump is our man.

01:19:16.440 We must support him as a president and maybe as a myth is what I think BAP and Fuentes are saying now.

01:19:23.820 And he is on our side, this is good, that we need to be – we need to kind of blend in to some massive movement.

01:19:32.560 And again, if you want a radical mass movement, there is nothing better than QAnon. 1.00

01:19:38.680 I mean, in 2016, 50%, according to one poll – and take one poll with a grain of salt – 50% of Republicans believed in some degree of the Pizzagate conspiracy.

01:19:50.560 Now, there was major polling in November that 50% of Republican voters are fellow travelers of QAnon. 0.99

01:19:59.300 They say, oh, I don't believe in Q and he goes too far, but I think that the Democrats are satanic, blood-sucking pedophiles. 0.99

01:20:06.360 They're fellow travelers. 0.96

01:20:07.700 So if you want to be successful and you want to jump into that river of money that is flowing in there, you have to be a shade of Q. 0.97

01:20:16.800 And that's what they all were.

01:20:19.360 Have you seen the polls on this?

01:20:22.200 Storming the Capitol has the support of 8% of the public.

01:20:26.040 88% of the public opposes it.

01:20:28.700 So this is far less popular than Charlottesville was.

01:20:31.940 I mean significantly.

01:20:34.960 Yeah.

01:20:36.640 They wanted to be – these guys were willing to do anything to clown themselves for Trump, and boy, did they ever win the prize. 1.00

01:20:43.080 Stupid people win stupid prizes, don't they? 1.00

01:20:45.840 Yeah, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 1.00

01:20:48.920 Okay, ending predictions. 1.00

01:20:52.080 Do you think that Trump is going to be impeached or removed via the 25th Amendment?

01:20:58.800 No.

01:20:59.400 I think it's too close to Biden being president.

01:21:04.320 And in order to convict him in the Senate, you would do what needs 16 Republicans?

01:21:11.220 Is there enough that's willing to – is there enough to willing to do that?

01:21:14.720 I don't think so.

01:21:15.740 What about you?

01:21:16.260 I think there are.

01:21:18.060 I'll come out strongly.

01:21:21.580 You'll get impeached by the House, not convicted by the Senate.

01:21:25.040 I think there is – I think this is mostly symbolic, which is one of the reasons why it might happen.

01:21:33.380 And so I think there is a very high likelihood that there is going to be impeachment declarations in the House this week.

01:21:41.920 Indeed, they've talked about it explicitly, and I think they're going to do it.

01:21:45.020 But if they're able to do this this quickly, which, again, you know, it's kind of amazing because these things take months and years.

01:21:55.180 You know, things move so slowly in the court system and, you know, government.

01:21:58.960 But if they are able to swing a really fast impeachment thing, I think you could get 16 Republicans to do it and get it two-thirds.

01:22:11.180 I could very well see this.

01:22:13.300 I'm going to kind of predict it.

01:22:15.500 Everything is, you know, you're making predictions on the margin.

01:22:18.960 You know, it's like are the, you know, Buccaneers going to beat the Redskins or whatever.

01:22:23.460 You know, you don't quite know.

01:22:24.720 You have to judge it.

01:22:25.560 But I think the likelihood is very high.

01:22:29.520 And I think it's going to – I think we're going to definitely see impeachment in the House like this week.

01:22:35.520 And because it's so symbolic is one of the reasons why I think they're going to do it because they know he's not out.

01:22:41.120 I think – look, I speculated this on Twitter.

01:22:43.620 Too controversial with the base.

01:22:44.840 Too controversial with the base in my opinion.

01:22:46.700 Maybe.

01:22:47.380 But this is the time.

01:22:49.060 Strike where they aren't hot because if you have numbers like 90 percent,

01:22:53.460 condemn this, then you don't do it.

01:22:56.540 Yeah, but not – this also polls for impeachment.

01:23:00.140 And it's like I think something like well over half of Republicans are opposed to it.

01:23:04.620 So they're going to be extremely bold to go through with it.

01:23:07.260 And I think they'll just like, eh, let them go to Camp David or something for two weeks.

01:23:12.420 This is the other thing.

01:23:13.560 And I speculated this a bit on Twitter.

01:23:16.920 I am wondering about, like, President Trump's sovereignty at the moment.

01:23:27.020 And, you know, we heard reports that Mike Pence called the National Guard.

01:23:31.800 We also heard a report that the Defense Department did not engage in the National Guard.

01:23:39.760 I'll have to go back to it.

01:23:41.460 The Defense Department balked at some point.

01:23:44.920 And Pence called the National Guard.

01:23:47.920 Trump has been banned from Twitter.

01:23:50.560 And, you know, everyone assumes that this is like millennials who work in Silicon Valley

01:23:55.120 demanding that Jack do something.

01:23:57.080 Might be true.

01:23:58.360 That's probably a part of it.

01:23:59.580 But I think there might be something else going on here.

01:24:03.800 I am wondering about the degree to which Trump is in charge.

01:24:08.340 I mean, Nancy Pelosi has openly said we need to get him.

01:24:12.600 We need to change the passwords, basically.

01:24:14.700 We need to get him away from nuclear codes.

01:24:17.360 I mean, just to suggest that is so humiliating.

01:24:22.480 I mean, that is maybe the most humiliating thing you can say to a president.

01:24:28.040 I mean, like, we don't even, we don't trust you with anything, basically.

01:24:32.320 I'm wondering if he's in charge of anything.

01:24:34.300 I know the Republicans are extremely happy about the tech censorship issue going absolutely,

01:24:43.780 completely bonkers and overboard in reactions to this because it gives them something else

01:24:48.300 to talk about that's popular with their base.

01:24:51.140 They can endlessly talk about Section 230.

01:24:53.800 Yeah, they're like, oh, look, he's, they've, Jack is, Jack is a tyrant who's deleted hundreds

01:25:02.300 of, tens of thousands of Trump supporters.

01:25:04.740 Wow, do we ever want to talk about this instead of, of what just happened at the Capitol?

01:25:09.520 So, yeah, that was, that was good news for them.

01:25:12.400 What do you think is coming?

01:25:13.800 Did you expect to be on Gab in 2021?

01:25:16.800 In 2021, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't exactly.

01:25:19.920 No, I thought Gab was going to go away.

01:25:21.980 I'm, I'm, I think I do have a Gab account.

01:25:24.180 I have not tweeted on Gab or posted on Gab in years.

01:25:27.700 We might be too, we might be too bearish on Gab.

01:25:30.360 I don't know.

01:25:31.460 Maybe. 0.97

01:25:32.100 I mean, I don't, I'm bearish on Gab because of the leadership, Andrew Torba, who's a buffoon

01:25:38.520 and who wants to make Gab a movement.

01:25:42.140 So he's like, you know, this is about Gab.

01:25:45.360 It's where patriots go to blah, blah, blah.

01:25:47.080 So he's just creating an echo chamber.

01:25:48.960 I want neutral platforms.

01:25:50.880 I actually want.

01:25:51.700 Oh, that reminds me.

01:25:53.040 So I don't, I'm not, I'm not bullish on Gab.

01:25:56.520 That's, that's one of the reasons I left Gab in the, in the first place back in late

01:26:00.420 2018 is because it was full of all the, it was, it was us and it was all the QAnon boomers. 1.00

01:26:08.520 It was, it was nothing, but it was, it was nothing, but all these Patriot QAnon boomers 1.00

01:26:14.100 posting nonsense.

01:26:14.880 That's, um, well, here's my prediction.

01:26:17.840 I think I survive on Twitter and I, you know, I, we are not in the direct line of fire at

01:26:25.460 this point.

01:26:25.920 And that is a good thing.

01:26:27.340 Uh, you know, and, um, uh, yeah, I, I, I can imagine surviving on Twitter because I am

01:26:35.300 not associating myself with this insanity and, you know, you could say it's strategic, but

01:26:43.680 again, the truth is very often the best strategy you have.

01:26:48.000 I'm worried that.

01:26:49.920 Yeah.

01:26:50.400 My only concern about this is that I know that Matt and a bunch of other people have

01:26:55.200 been using the D live platform to, um, it's not just Nick over there, but a lot of people

01:27:00.840 have been using that and I'm afraid that, you know, Nick and baked and all that might

01:27:05.160 have ruined D live for everyone.

01:27:07.180 Yeah.

01:27:09.080 That might be one casual.

01:27:10.300 That's the biggest casualty of this.

01:27:11.980 I see for, um, our, our spear.

01:27:14.880 Mm-hmm.

01:27:16.120 They'll say, oh, you know, we, we don't, we don't know.

01:27:18.460 I just need to get rid of Nick Fuentes and baked.

01:27:20.460 We need to get rid of anyone who the media, the SPLC says is a hateful extremist.

01:27:26.240 Even though we don't even really talk about it.

01:27:27.980 Well, Nick said that this was part of the plan, in fact, to get banned from D live and

01:27:34.100 that they're building their own streaming platform.

01:27:38.220 Yeah.

01:27:39.100 He's been promising that it didn't, didn't Milo build his website where I was on the impression

01:27:44.240 that after he got banned from YouTube, that Milo had built Nick's website and he was going

01:27:49.500 to be able to stream from his own website like two years ago, a year or two ago.

01:27:54.420 I mean, I don't think he ever did.

01:27:56.240 No.

01:27:57.200 At least I haven't.

01:27:59.260 We'll see where this goes.

01:28:01.540 I mean, again, I, I, um, I don't want to just be on some weird streaming thing.

01:28:08.800 I, I want my voice to be heard in mainstream, you know, in mainstream platforms.

01:28:13.760 So we'll, we'll see what happens with that.

01:28:15.500 I could see Milo Nick Fuentes break up pretty soon.

01:28:20.420 Um, uh, yeah.

01:28:22.600 Alex Jones is strongly out there saying, you know, this was actually, here's a video of

01:28:27.260 me telling people not to go into the, uh, you can already see Alex Jones, like preparing

01:28:31.620 his defense for this.

01:28:33.060 Cause he knows he's a, they're going to, he knows that they're going to use any excuse

01:28:36.780 to shut down info wars, like pull the URL or, or something like that.

01:28:43.000 Um, but I mean, Alex Jones and Nick are close enough to this event.

01:28:49.600 And you know, their enemies are going to use this to try to de-platform, de-platform both

01:28:54.500 of them.

01:28:55.340 So they already did that with Alex successfully.

01:28:59.660 He lost everything except his website.

01:29:03.380 All right.

01:29:05.600 Thanks Brad.

01:29:19.600 Bye.

01:29:49.600 Bye.

01:30:19.600 Bye.

RadixJournal - January 10, 2021

MAGA's Joker Moment

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