Baked Alaska and Brad Griffin join me to discuss the ongoing fallout from the January 6th "Joker Moment" in which MAGA revelers take over the Capitol and attempt to take control of the government. We also discuss the parallels between the events in Maine and the Capitol Hill siege.
00:01:30.740So let's let's talk about this to get it started, because you you mentioned this to me.
00:01:38.480The the Charlottesville and the Capitol Hill siege or whatever we're calling it, I think they're going to be compared.
00:01:53.500They're they've actually in the mainstream media, they've been compared a lot less frequently than I would have imagined, actually, which I think is telling.
00:02:01.280I don't hear this comparison a lot, but I think this is this comparison is probably quite, you know, important and and for a lot of people listening to us.
00:02:11.940So why don't you go through that a little bit and then I think we can tease that out, because I think it's comparing them kind of gives us like a sense of the trajectory of the alt right, you know, writ large is a descriptive term over the past four years.
00:02:31.640Well, you know, I sat down and when I initially like I said, when I initially saw this, it didn't remind me of Charlottesville at all.
00:02:41.180It reminded me of my instant reaction was like, whoa, they've they've they've taken over the Capitol.
00:02:46.720It's like it's like the Bundy Ranch, the occupation out in Oregon.
00:02:52.240That's that's what that's what it initially, you know, reminded me of.
00:02:55.620But, you know, since since, you know, this has happened, I've seen comparisons to Charlottesville floating around.
00:03:02.000And, you know, there are a lot of the media because there were some of the same people there at both events, most famously baked Alaska, most prominent, prominent person who participated in both events.
00:03:17.900But like, I woke up this morning and I was like, you know, there's there's some things that we're seeing that's very similar to Charlottesville.
00:03:28.540And there's there's some things that, you know, just completely stand out.
00:03:31.660And obviously the most the most similar similar thing we've seen about it is we've seen, you know, media hysteria, political hysteria, you know, politicians running around with their heads cut off.
00:03:47.900And above all else, we've seen a huge, unprecedented wave of tech censorship.
00:03:53.580I mean, far in excess of anything we saw after Charlottesville.
00:03:56.600After Charlottesville was a few of our accounts that got banned.
00:04:00.380This was Trump being completely wiped out from social media.
00:04:05.060Trump's biggest influencers being completely wiped out from social media.
00:04:09.880Tens of thousands of ordinary conservatives being, I guess, you know, I guess someone at Twitter.
00:04:16.600But press the button and took out the MAGA network.
00:04:21.180I mean, he got kicked off Spotify, which is I don't know what that brings in.
00:04:26.560That's probably tens of thousands of dollars a day.
00:04:29.020I mean, you know, which is real money.
00:05:13.600Because they, Parler, you know, and as someone, I mean, I am not like a free speech absolutist.
00:05:21.500I think there has to be something done on this.
00:05:24.560But, yeah, I mean, Lin Wood, I think they erased tweets in which this very, now very prominent person was spreading just insane lies and making, you know, insane demands.
00:07:30.920Because, you know, that guy, I think one of the, one of the half dozen, like, iconic images, actually,
00:07:36.600is going to be that guy walking through, like, a hallway of the, the Senate with a Confederate flag.
00:07:42.500I mean, what was shocking, I mean, it wasn't shocking in Charlottesville,
00:07:45.340because Charlottesville was literally about, like, the Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee monuments.
00:07:51.380The whole issue of Charlottesville was about Southern heritage and monuments.
00:07:54.300And, and, I mean, we had, we had gone to, we had held, I mean, we had just came off that rally in New Orleans.
00:08:01.020And that was also about the Lee and Beauregard monuments and the Jefferson Davis monument down there.
00:08:08.760So Charlottesville was just another, you know, identity, American heritage rally.
00:08:14.140Well, this was actually a guy with a Confederate flag, like, storming the Capitol in the United States, walking through Congress.
00:08:21.660It just seemed, it seemed kind of, you know, more jarring, I would say.
00:08:27.360Of course, I mean, obviously, obviously, I got a list of similarities here.
00:08:32.700Bad optics involving people like the QAnon shaman who had their own agenda.
00:08:37.880So in Charlottesville, we saw a guy show up with the, with the Nazi flag, but even, even that guy didn't look as wacky as the QAnon shaman.
00:08:49.280And, and, and even, and even, even in what the Capitol siege, I mean, there were people, did you see the guy who, like, had a coon skin, he was dressed in coon skins or something?
00:08:59.120And this is not even, this is not even the QAnon shaman.
00:09:02.660No, he was, he's actually a prominent son.
00:09:10.960Yeah, yeah, he's, he's, he's Jewish, as it happens, but I don't, I'm not even sure that matters that much.
00:09:19.140All of the images we saw of him, he seemed dissociated from reality.
00:09:25.000And again, I'm not trying to diagnose someone.
00:09:28.680I'm not a doctor, nor would I do that, but just looking at him, he, there seemed to be some kind of mental illness or psychological issue of that.
00:09:38.540I've seen that look before that glazed eye.
00:09:46.000I mean, I mean, there was, I mean, those kinds of people, you need to watch out when you see people like that, you know, I mean, like that's not, nothing good comes from that.
00:09:56.300There was some weird, some weird looking people in Charlottesville, but, but nothing compares to QAnon shaman casting spells on the floor of the Senate, my God.
00:10:05.840So also I got here, Charlottesville and the capital stage were both promoted.
00:10:08.940Oh, also, let me add and share the bad optics.
00:10:10.940There was a guy who, I actually, I think plausibly you could say kind of looked a bit like Antifa.
00:10:18.760He was wearing black or kind of dark clothes, but he was interviewed afterwards and he clearly is not Antifa at all.
00:11:17.940I'm not on Facebook, but I'm sure it was legions and legions upon legions of boomers came from Facebook.
00:11:24.480And, um, all this was organized through stop this deal, which is, I think, an official organization.
00:11:31.340Um, it was promoted by Alex Jones, uh, for a long time.
00:11:37.780Um, so we got Charlottesville on the capital stage for both volatile public events.
00:11:43.160This is why, if you remember correct, if you remember like I do, this is why immediately after Charlottesville and Shelbyville, we stopped holding these public events.
00:11:52.580Because, I mean, we realized that anyone could come to your public event with their own agenda and completely associate you with, with whatever, you know, their agenda was.
00:12:04.400Even though you, you didn't even know the person and we saw that Charlottesville, none of us, none of us knew James Fields.
00:12:13.180I mean, even after all the evidence that came out with James Fields, there's no evidence that he can't, he had any intention of doing anything, but coming to the rally.
00:12:21.260Um, and there's no connection between major figures or even, or even some of the organizers from like, we didn't even, we didn't even, we didn't even know the guy existed.
00:12:31.820And, um, when he came to Charlottesville and in this, in, in, in, in, even in his defense, there's, there's no proof that he was doing anything.
00:13:29.620And all of that was because the lessons we learned from Charlottesville that, you know, um, if you have these pre-announced public events, Antifa can come and do whatever the media can come.
00:13:42.440Um, I mean, this, this is one of the big things we learned.
00:13:45.780And apparently some people didn't learn that or they forgot.
00:13:49.800In fact, in fact, they, you know, spun on a dime.
00:13:52.160So also got here, Donald Trump condemned Charlottesville on Capitol siege while noting that good people were present at both.
00:13:59.760So yeah, Trump threw, Trump came out and put that video, uh, denouncing his own supporters through them under the bus.
00:14:06.000And he did that in Charlottesville, although in Charlottesville, he kind of, you know, it honors him to this day where he said, you know, there were good people who just supported the monument there, which was true.
00:14:17.320So, but yeah, but, you know, both times, you know, if you think, you know, Trump was your guy, he let you down both times.
00:14:25.600And of course, you know, I got media, firestorm, political hysteria, censorship, deaths and arrests, and the outcome was not what the organizers of either event had intended.
00:14:41.700Well, I mean, I say this because I watched Alex, Alex's video, Alex, you know, Jones had released the video and here's what Alex said.
00:14:50.160And I watched his video, his, his side of the story, Alex said that the plan was, is that Trump, it was all orchestrated that, you know, Trump's would say that we're, we're marching on the Capitol.
00:15:02.280And Alex Jones was, Alex Jones himself had paid for, like, he had spent 500 grand for this event, right?
00:15:13.220And he, Alex Jones is coordinating with Trump and Alex Jones was supposed to lead the march to the Capitol, right?
00:15:21.740And he was halfway through the speech was over.
00:15:23.980They were supposed to pull Alex Jones side and the secret service was supposed to take him to the front.
00:15:28.980And Alex Jones and Ali were supposed to march down to the Capitol.
00:15:32.260Well, what happened was that so many people showed up in DC that they couldn't get into the, to the event where, where Alex was speaking and where Trump was speaking.
00:15:43.220And so by the time Trump got through with his speech, thousands upon thousands of people had already left the White House and it already went down to the Capitol.
00:16:48.600This is fascinating and, and, and this is very important to say, I didn't quite know this aspect of it and I'm glad you told me about it, but I guess what, what I was mentioning before, when I said, I don't completely disagree with you is that it's, it's one, or I don't completely agree with you.
00:17:06.220It's one thing to say that things got out of hand.
00:17:10.180I mean, in Charlottesville, the conspiracy quote unquote was to give speeches on a field and then leave.
00:17:20.760And that was what we were attempting to do.
00:17:23.760At least that's what I understood when I was invited to do this.
00:17:29.060That's, that is what I was planning for the whole time is to give a speech.
00:17:33.860Um, and everyone who, my, my guess is 99 out of a hundred people who came, that was their expectation.
00:17:40.440The difference here is that you could say that we, you know, this was just like the, the stop the steel rally six weeks ago.
00:17:49.740We, we came, we were, we, we wanted to hear speeches and meet other people and then we were going to leave.
00:17:55.540But the thing is with, you can't really say that because now I don't think that they intended bison man to take over the Senate and baked Alaska to, to, to, to tweet from, uh, or live stream from Pelosi's office.
00:18:11.860And that, you know, West Virginia guy to put his feet on her desk.
00:18:15.200I don't think that was their plan to be, you know, perfectly fair, but their plan was to disrupt the vote.
00:18:21.820So like their plan, you know, it's like, yeah, it got out of hand, but they were like explicitly planning to do something like this.
00:18:33.220And they didn't have enough discipline and they didn't have enough, I don't know, good communication or just military organization to accomplish this.
00:18:42.920But this is what they were quite literally trying to do.
00:18:46.720And so I don't buy, like, I don't know.
00:18:50.140I, I, it is just so fundamentally different.
00:18:52.920And, you know, I, I, I hate to sound like an MSNBC liberal, but like this kind of was an insurrection.
00:19:01.560And all of the people on our side are doing the typical right-wing stuff, which is like, well, these are some good boys and they didn't mean no harm and blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:19:39.420Oh, I said, you know, I, there was, I was, I've, I've listened to before I went to grad, I was actually.
00:19:44.460Yeah, you're grasping the crux of the, I said, you're grasping the crux of the issue there.
00:19:50.500This was, this was, the, the plan was in DC is that this was all supposed to be some kind of performance art political theater thing, right?
00:20:15.960You can never count on these things, these volatile situations.
00:20:19.240Thousands upon thousands of people, you know, couldn't get in.
00:20:21.560So they had already went down to the Capitol when no one was down there.
00:20:25.180And they had this huge, I saw the video yesterday.
00:20:29.460They had this huge stage set up where Trump was supposed to speak and Alex Jones was supposed to speak.
00:20:35.420And they were going to have this big performance art thing outside the Capitol to pressure the wavering Republicans inside to change their vote in the hope that, you know, somehow like Trump could stay on as president.
00:20:53.140But that in itself, in itself, that's kind of, that's borderline insurrection already.
00:21:03.980Now, I think I would probably defend that just like on a, I mean, I don't necessarily support it, but I would kind of defend that on a level like you are engaging in a protest.
00:21:30.460You see that, you see what the issue is here though, right?
00:21:32.840So, so when Trump gave his speech, he said that he was going to walk, they were going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and he was going to join them there.
00:21:42.020But then when people like Jack Posobiec were on Twitter, they were like, we're going to march on the Capitol, right?
00:21:49.160And you got, you brought all these, here's the thing.
00:21:51.400And here's, here's the crux of the issue.
00:21:53.780They've brought all these people to DC.
00:21:55.640They've been telling them this stuff like, I mean, this was all about the Q prophecies, right?
00:22:22.700And so, and so all this stuff about 1776 will commence again and the storm is coming and, you know, Q is being saying all this, all this crap.
00:22:32.960This is like an apocalyptic millennial event, right?
00:22:36.980This is, this is, this is a religious element to this, right?
00:22:39.960Like, like, like it was, like Trump was going to take over and everything was, this was the culmination of the Q, of the Q prophecies, right?
00:22:46.740So, so all these people who show up in DC have this mindset that there's going to be a revolution, right?
00:22:53.800They're going to, they're going to take the Capitol.
00:22:57.540And when they said march on the Capitol, I mean, all this is going, you got to remember, all this is going out through social media.
00:23:03.040So all the people in DC who are watching what's going on, on R the Donald, who's, not R the Donald, it's Donald.win now.
00:23:15.300They're seeing all these messages through this mindset that this apocalyptic millennial mindset that they have.
00:23:24.820And also what Alex Jones and Trump intended was not good.
00:23:29.780Okay, there's an interesting kind of, what's the right word of, like, there were kind of two sides of it as well.
00:23:37.140Because General Flynn was also claiming that there's going to be a military takeover.
00:23:45.380There's going to be martial law, and we're going to have a re-vote.
00:23:49.240And, you know, again, that's very, that is contradictory to, you know, the hoi polloi storming the Capitol, no question.
00:23:58.160But I think they kind of reinforce each other, because there was also an indication that, like, Trump's behind us, the military's got our back.
00:24:41.740Yeah, so she was the one who was shot in the Capitol.
00:24:43.880So she had been posting all this stuff on Twitter, and it was on Facebook Live when she was marching to the Capitol.
00:24:51.780Ashley Babbitt was one of the people who, like I said, you know, when Alex and Trump were speaking, who went ahead and went to the Capitol, right?
00:25:00.960And so all the Q-tards and fanatics, all the Q-tards and fanatics who were waiting for the storm to come were already down there before Trump and Alex Jones and Ali and the rest could get down there.
00:25:12.680So all these people have taken off ahead of it because, I mean, what they expected to happen, I mean, if you read her Twitter feed, she's like, this is the day the storm has arrived.
00:25:25.340Patriots are descending on the Capitol.
00:25:27.040Well, she actually says, I'm part of a mob. We're going to go down here. We're going to take Congress.
00:25:31.680Those people who came were literally expecting this to happen, right?
00:25:36.140They were expecting some kind of big – I mean, not just that.
00:25:41.500I mean, you heard the phrase from these people, cross the Rubicon.
00:25:44.380How many times did they say, cross the Rubicon?
00:25:49.400This is what they – they were expecting Trump to become Caesar, right?
00:25:53.840They were really prepared for this to happen, and they thought Trump had – and they had absolute complete confidence in Trump that he had their back.
00:26:01.800Now, what was supposed to happen, which me and you understood, right?
00:26:05.900Because were you paying any attention to this at all?
00:26:10.300I thought nothing was going to happen.
00:26:11.880I explicitly told people that this was going to be another just goofy rally like the one weeks ago.
00:26:18.820Yeah, that's because – that's because me and you – see, me and you were smart – me and you are smart enough to understand that, okay, people like Alex Jones and the Grifters, this was all a big – a huge grift, right?
00:26:34.400They were supposed to have speeches outside of Congress while Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and all the rest in Congress were doing their thing, making all their political theater.
00:26:45.660It was just a waste of time that wasn't even worth watching because that's what we – because we understood what was supposed to happen, and Alex Jones and all the rest were supposed to make a lot of money off of it, and people like Nick Fuentes are supposed to promote themselves.
00:27:02.040None of these – I mean can you imagine the shock on Alex Jones and Ali's face when they walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and all the Q-tars are literally storming the Capitol?
00:27:42.700This is – was not what's supposed to happen, right?
00:27:45.580But like I said, like, I mean all these people have taken what he said at face value.
00:27:50.080They don't understand it's all an act.
00:27:52.420But anyway, that's what we're getting into.
00:27:53.840We're getting into the differences between – and that was – this is the differences between like the Capitol siege and Charlottesville.
00:28:01.500So I got here, number one, the Capitol siege was a MAGA event focused on Trump's claims of election fraud, and it attracted patriots and Trump supporters.
00:28:13.000In contrast, Charlottesville had nothing to do with Trump and was about preserving Confederate monuments.
00:28:17.580So Trump was the center of this whole thing.
00:28:22.500Whereas I think Trump was the background to Charlottesville.
00:28:25.940You know, that was kind of a background element.
00:28:28.240But whereas this, Trump was the central, if not sole element.
00:28:33.900I mean even back then, even – but you look back on it, one of the reasons we did Charlottesville is because we were angry with Trump at the time, and we wanted to do our own thing, right?
00:28:42.920We wanted to branch off and – and so like – but this was totally – this was totally about him.
00:28:48.500So second thing, far vastly more people participated in the Capitol siege, like orders of magnitude, like not even close.
00:28:58.240To being like similar, like huge numbers.
00:29:01.260And then even in Charlottesville, we saw – I mean one of the things we saw in Charlottesville is even when you get like 600, 700, 800 people together, right?
00:29:08.780How hard it is to marshal those people and control them.
00:29:12.560Imagine trying to control like tens of thousands of cutards.
00:29:21.220So unlike Charlottesville, this was – which was supposed to be a legal free speech rally in a public park, the Capitol siege was a literal goon march by conspiracy theorists, and that's what happened.
00:29:30.660So the cutards got ahead of the train, and they went down there and literally acted out the storm.
00:29:39.760I mean that's what – that was Ashley Babbitt's last tweet, that the storm was here, and that's why she was – that was the month that she went in there doing that, right?
00:30:07.920Yeah, there was no cultural, ethnic, or anything to this.
00:30:11.940No, I mean you could say that this was implicitly white, like a NASCAR rally is implicitly white, but even that isn't entirely true and kind of conceals more than it reveals.
00:30:27.540You could say that about any Patriot event.
00:30:31.680If this was a Patriot event, it wasn't any kind of ethnic nationalist, racial national – I mean people are trying to say this was – there was no racial aspect or anything to this.
00:30:45.800I think there is – you could say that there's a racial component in the background of it in the sense that these are a lot of middle class and, say, lower middle class or blue-collar whites who have kind of – who are like dealing with the anxiety of dispossession and demographic change and so on.
00:31:09.460I mean clearly that's in the background of it, but that's definitely not in the foreground, and it's not pointing in that direction in the slightest.
00:31:18.800Alex Jones had vowed for months that 1776 will commence again, and this was the millennarian apocalyptic mindset that his supporters had when they stormed the Capitol.
00:31:29.940Now, the night before, literally the night before Alex Jones was in D.C., he was speaking to these people, right?
00:31:35.480And Alex Jones was saying stuff like, some of you are not going to make it is what he said.
00:31:40.220So it's like, Alex, you kind of – the interview with the Q shaman was just hilarious.
00:31:54.700Now, to be fair to Alex, Alex has been opposed to Q for a long time because that's one of his rivals in the conspiracy.
00:32:01.820Yes, but he got on the Q train very – he and – I think I was tweeting out in a jokey fashion, you know, Alex has gone hinged, and Alex, you know, that was just being, you know, a little bit cute.
00:32:16.760Oh, he was not picking credit for that.
00:32:28.260And then Q kind of turned on them because there was a big, you know, rivalry going for the same audience, and he attacked Q.
00:32:37.060But he seemed – again, these guys seem to kind of – much like a broke clock is right twice a day, they seem to kind of, like, go – they seem to, like, be correct about things almost for, like, the wrong reasons or for, like, purely personal reasons or something.
00:32:56.440The Capitol siege was a SIVNAT event hosted by Trump and Alex Jones, and Charlottesville was an FNAT event that attracted people who were not Trump supporters.
00:33:25.160And, yeah, because, I mean, people who were, like, sincere ethnic nationalists just were not interested – like me and you were not even paying attention to this, right?
00:34:18.880And I guess both us and Antifa had the same perspective on it.
00:34:22.500It's just a waste of our time to follow this.
00:34:26.780But, of course, Alex – now, Alex is claiming that the people who got ahead of the bus – Alex's story is that it was actually Antifa who started the fights at the front.
00:34:37.740And then duped the cutards into storming the capital, much to his horror as he arrived.
00:34:44.880That's Alex's official story, trying to blame it on Antifa.
00:35:40.320This was just – and Charlottesville was just Antifa coming in and disrupting a white nationalist event.
00:35:45.540I mean that's been going on for 30 years, but that's totally different from what happened at the capital siege.
00:35:51.800And, of course, here's another big difference.
00:35:55.520In Charlottesville, FNATs had a federal court order and the legal right to be at the United Right rally in Lee Park.
00:36:02.160In contrast, the people who participated in the capital siege had no legal right to be there in the capital to disrupt the electoral college vote.
00:36:10.680Needless to say, it's not something you're supposed to do.
00:36:14.620It's a serious federal crime to even talk about doing something like that, much less do it.
00:36:31.120We were supposed to be at that place at that time.
00:36:33.760Whereas, this was the exact opposite of this.
00:36:37.240This was like some kind of criminal – I mean it was criminal.
00:36:41.540I mean they broke the law doing this, clearly.
00:36:44.720Well, also, I think this is also a big difference.
00:36:48.020And granted, I'm being a little bit speculative here, but I think this is reasoned speculation.
00:36:57.140Is that in terms of the organizers or major figures at Charlottesville, we have been all tossed into this one bin and we're defendants in this absurd lawfare civil case.
00:37:21.760And they, you know, allege conspiracy.
00:37:24.700I mean, again, as I've written publicly, I mean, in terms of my co-defendants, like I didn't know half of them or two-thirds of them.
00:37:33.860I didn't know that they exist and I still can't differentiate them.
00:37:38.320So it's kind of like it's a weird conspiracy.
00:37:40.500But anyway, in terms of criminal prosecution, they went after, you could say, supporters or unknown people or kind of – they went after them.
00:37:56.660So they would prosecute people who were in this chaotic situation and got into fights and used, you know, again, allegedly disproportionate force.
00:38:06.360Or, you know, James Fields being the best example of someone who has been criminally prosecuted to the hilt.
00:38:12.820He's actually, you know, serving lifetimes in prison.
00:38:16.140400, 500 years is what they gave James Fields.
00:38:18.820Yeah, and so that – this is how I see this breaking down.
00:38:27.300Obviously, people whose faces are on camera and who are in the Capitol, like, these guys are going to jail.
00:38:37.320And they're going to go to jail for a decade in some ways due to a law that was passed against BLM by Trump, ironically, that was meant to protect statues.
00:38:50.560These guys are definitely going to be prosecuted to the hilt.
00:38:53.580The major difference I see is that I don't think that all of the people who were surrounding this event need to worry too much about some civil suit, you know, filed by some, you know, big law firm in New York City.
00:39:13.000But that's not the big thing that they need to worry about.
00:39:15.340That's the equivalent of having a flat tire in comparison to what they need to worry about.
00:39:21.760These – I am – this is reasoned speculation.
00:39:26.580The federal government is going to pursue the leaders and organizers of this rally and people who benefited from the millions of dollars that were flowing through the whole stop the steal thing.
00:39:41.820They are going to pursue this to the hilt.
00:39:44.520And this – the difference is Charlottesville was, you know, kind of – you know, it was an embarrassment to, say, the American brand in the sense that there was chaos.
00:39:57.700They're, you know, white nationalists.
00:41:21.080But even in this, you know, monologue, the delusion was really present, and I think it's going to be obvious.
00:41:31.840So he basically explained what they were doing, and then he said things like, I didn't go into the Capitol, so those people who went into the Capitol have something to worry about.
00:41:44.740And average Trump supporters have something to worry about because, you know, they're going to crack down on average Trump supporters.
00:41:51.420They are not going to go knock on the door of average Trumpies and throw them into prison.
00:41:58.640They are knocking on your door, my friend.
00:42:01.660I'm just telling you, and it does not matter that much that you didn't actually enter the Capitol, if that's true.
00:42:08.380Like, there's a little ambiguity about that.
00:42:11.560They are going to go after the leaders of this event on criminal conspiracy charges to engage in an insurrection.
00:42:19.960Because this is a level of embarrassment that makes Charlottesville look like a little pimple on your cheek as compared to your house burning down.
00:42:33.580They do not view conspiracies to disrupt Congress and disrupt the government itself as fun and games that might have gotten out of hand.
00:42:43.900And the other aspect of this is that, unlike Charlottesville, there is clearly, we know, there is clearly hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars, just flowing through this.
00:42:56.620I mean, Donald Trump and the GOP raised, what is it, a quarter of a billion for the stop the steal nonsense?
00:43:02.560And then, you know, we know of hundreds of thousands being tossed around with all this.
00:43:08.400You're saying that there was 500,000 spent by Alex Jones to build a stage.
00:43:14.240And, like, there were millions of dollars just flowing around this.
00:43:18.740There are digital records of that, regardless of if it's Bitcoin or whatever.
00:43:24.820And I would not be surprised if the feds used this as a precedent to basically disclose Bitcoin senders, because they do not tolerate this.
00:43:39.380You do not question the sovereignty of a nation state and an empire.
00:44:09.560What they are going to do is make an example of the people who organized this and who were clearly attempting borderline insurrection at the very least.
00:44:19.400Now, I would probably defend the idea of performance art outside the Capitol yelling at congressmen.
00:44:25.020Like, defend it legally, even if I don't support it.
00:44:38.300It's not like I've heard the other aspect of when Ted's talking, he's like, well, once the fog of war calms down, things are calmed down, we're going to be okay.
00:44:48.640They're going to calm down in like the near term in the sense that all the people whose faces are on camera entering the Capitol are going to get arrested.
00:44:56.120And then there's going to be like a new calm.
00:44:58.920But the idea that this will not be a long-term, like, prosecuted event of something like treason or insurrection is ridiculous.
00:45:11.700There are going to be congressional hearings on this, very much like Benghazi.
00:45:16.780More people died in this event than died in Benghazi.
00:45:19.880And how many congressional hearings of Benghazi did we have, like half a dozen or whatever?
00:45:24.900There are going to be – this is so serious.
00:45:28.440They just don't see how serious this is.
00:46:07.960And one of his supporters went in with the flag and went all through Congress and went – it was actually down on the floor of the Congress with the America First flag with the horn guy.
00:46:23.200So they're obviously – I mean, there's obviously – like you've already said this.
00:47:39.960Yeah, on his – on his, again, like, relatively reasonable, like, discussion of this that I listened to last night, this is another thing he said.
00:47:48.400He was like, yeah, you know, I said we're going to invade the Capitol, but I was being ironic at the point.
00:48:30.200We know Baked is going to be arrested, and Baked is on video saying that – I mean, premeditated beforehand, saying that – saying in the process of the crime, saying that it was a plan.
00:48:41.960Beforehand saying it was – beforehand claiming like he was getting his guns ready for the Civil War, saying the night before, talking to a guy saying that we're going into the Capitol.
00:48:52.540We shouldn't talk about it on video because we'd be arrested, right?
00:48:54.720So Baked is definitely going down for this.
00:48:57.340Now, as for Nick, let's just assume Nick escapes federal – let's just assume that Nick is fortunate and escapes federal criminal conspiracy charges over this.
00:49:06.580Even though Nick was the one working with Ali, working with Alex Jones to put all this together and getting paid for it too, right?
00:49:17.560Received a quarter of a million in Bitcoin days before he did it.
00:49:21.580Well, I mean, as Kessler – as Jason pointed out correctly on Twitter, Kessler, why wouldn't Nick get hit in some kind of signs versus Kessler civil lawsuit?
00:49:34.860When they filed the civil lawsuit, they sued all kinds of organizations, right?
00:49:38.340They're not going to sue America first.
00:49:40.800They're not going to sue Nick Fuente's defendant.
00:49:42.820They're not going to sue Stop the Steal.
00:50:27.860Moving on with the things, and I think we've already discussed this, but I said, in storming the U.S. Capitol, the people who participated in the Capitol siege attacked the seat of government of the United States to dispute the outcome of an election.
00:50:40.840Which is very different from hosting a legal free speech rally in a public park in a college town in Virginia.
00:52:21.460So they attacked – they literally attacked – okay, what was – in Charlottesville, it was just like the police failed to maintain order, right?
00:52:30.520This is – they attacked – they literally attacked the federal police defending the Capitol, so.
00:52:39.980Big money was behind the MAGA march, and you're not right, there was no money.
00:52:45.660It was just people coming and driving on their own or raising a few bucks off PayPal to share gas.
00:52:52.920I mean this was like – I mean we've talked about the Bitcoin theory before, and I mean all the – I mean just looking at the financial aspect of this is going to get people caught up, right?
00:53:32.680So we've already talked about Nick boasting about the event after the event was over, taking credit for it, saying, oh, these people are – your honor, your honor, we busted into that door.
00:53:44.240We took over Congress, and there was nothing like that after Charlottesville.
00:53:48.280No one, to my knowledge, ever said anything like that, that incriminating, ever.
00:53:55.060And then, of course, you've got to remember there were pipe bombs that were placed outside the RNC and DNC headquarters, and no one brought pipe bombs to Charlottesville.
00:54:05.420So – and there was guys arrested with Molotov cocktails and –
00:54:10.280Yes, the West Virginia guy, I believe the guy who put his feet on the desk had a –
00:54:56.360But the biggest difference by far is that, okay, none of us were ever arrested on federal criminal conspiracy charges because there was no proof that any of us were doing anything but going to a rally, right?
00:55:35.500Antifa disrupted the event, and that was it.
00:55:37.980And this – and this – I mean, and even then, you know, the Sons versus Kessler lawsuit that you're a part of and Kessler's a part of has gone on for four years, three, four years, because there's no evidence of a conspiracy, right?
00:56:05.940There were people – I mean, like we saw, people like Baked was talking to this guy about doing it the night before and admitted on video that – admitted on video that, you know, we shouldn't be talking about this.
00:56:20.880We'll get arrested for it, but we're going to, like, break in the Capitol.
00:56:23.880Well, the hyper real bit back, I think, because one of – another big difference, and I think this is largely generational, is that, you know, I have built my adult career around, you know, using – being the alternative media on the internet.
00:56:45.580You know, doing videos, doing videos, doing podcasts, all of this kind of stuff, and not, you know, writing articles for the New York Times or something.
00:57:08.900They're kind of, like, just streaming and waiting for something to happen.
00:57:13.500Whereas, you know, I guess you and I's concept of this is that you kind of make something happen, and then you put it on the internet as a publishing platform.
00:57:21.880They just stream on a platform and just wait for drama to occur and call it content.
00:57:29.960And that is going to bite back, you know, because basically their life exists digitally and not physically in this kind of weird way.
00:57:40.520And everything that they did is now documented, and everything that they did beforehand, immediately beforehand, is now fully documented.
00:57:51.940And it's out of their control by the very nature of this, you know, live stream, like living your life digitally.
00:57:59.540And they also think that it all happened digitally, I think, is this other aspect to it, where it's like – it's like, yeah, you know, I was saying we should storm the Capitol, but I was being ironic about it.
00:58:12.780You know, it's like – I don't know what to say to you.
00:58:19.300You know, irony is by its very nature kind of subtle.
00:58:24.540I mean we saw this – we saw this in the Goripa War, right, where so many of these kids couldn't separate the – what was it, the Joker fantasy from real life, where they were like acting it out and like acting it out like in real life, like they were part of the movie or something.
00:58:46.360This was our Joker moment, according to Nathaniel.
00:58:48.940This was our Joker – yeah, this was our Joker moment, like this was – this was Joker in real life, and it was – it was awesome, guys.
00:59:24.380Now, it was obviously pre-live streaming, but, you know, he was dating a girl in his dreams in a way, and he was a great figure in his dreams.
00:59:35.640He saw big crowds gathering, and he just kind of like joined in them and then weirdly kind of became their hero in the Dionysian chaos that eventuated by it all.
00:59:48.200So I think it was their Joker moment, kind of in ways that they don't understand.
00:59:53.700And Joker was a serial killer who went to prison.
01:00:02.760In Bakes' case – in Bakes' case, I mean, if you look – if you try to – if you ask anybody on the internet, try to explain Baked Alaska, right?
01:00:11.320This is a guy who's – I mean, did you see that porcelain documentary on him?
01:00:16.120Oh, I think I did, like, from, like, a year and a half ago or so.
01:00:20.020Yeah, yeah, that porcelain documentary about how Bakes' entire life has been a quest for e-fame and e-cloud and being, like, an attention whore.
01:00:45.060I mean, we've seen it – I've seen it – I mean, I've seen it – we've seen it countless times, right, where – but Bakes will be live streaming, and he'll run after – he'll run after something screaming, content, content, content, right?
01:00:59.140Like, he goes around – he'll go around – he'll – he went all around the country macing people for content, and then, of course, he was – for content, he was live streaming over the past two months.
01:01:12.020Now, this is what I don't understand about Nick and Optics, in that, you know, for two months before this, Baked had been, you know, the Jerry Springer show on New Life.
01:01:23.200You know, we've talked about it in one of our previous things, about how, you know, he was – look at me.
01:01:30.240I'm the literal wig-napped, white trash guy who's – has messing around with all these women and, you know, getting into fights at bars and trailer parks and stuff like that.
01:01:43.840So, I mean, it was obvious this guy was bad optics.
01:01:46.180Like, assaulting, like, blue-collar black women who work at convenience stores.
01:01:52.980The level of bad optics of that is, like, so beyond.
01:01:58.060I mean, Nick's own people were telling him – Nick's own people were telling him, you know, you got to get rid of Baked Alaska because he's bad optics.
01:02:05.860And Nick was like, no, no, no, no, no.
01:02:07.880We need to – we need to keep Baked Alaska.
01:02:28.140I was going to say something because I hung out with him a lot and I was going to say something, but never mind.
01:02:33.300I can cut it out if you want to say it.
01:02:35.680This is – this is being recorded, but I can cut it.
01:02:38.120Why don't you say what – speak your piece and I'll note this time and I'll cut it out.
01:02:42.700Yeah, I hung out with him a lot and he did some stuff that I wasn't very comfortable with, but I was just kind of smiling along because I wanted to be friends.
01:02:53.080But, yeah, I can attest to everything you just said.
01:02:56.980I was with him when he maced some people and he definitely instigated a lot of stuff and, yeah.
01:03:03.780You can't – you play the hyper-reel and it bites back.
01:03:09.460It comes – the hyper-reel goes into reality.
01:03:14.040But Baked was – yeah, I mean, this was pure – this was a pure-baked Alaska moment when he has actually stormed the Capitol and is screaming, occupy the Capitol.
01:03:23.800People are making fun of – he's like, I got 10,000 viewers.
01:03:29.080But the 10,000 viewers are like, are you – have you gone insane?
01:03:49.900I mean, so – yeah, some guy – I mean, all he – all Baked really wanted with this was he was chasing – he went into the Capitol to chase content like he always does.
01:05:37.480You know, I mean, you just get there at some level, you're videotaping your own, like, demise.
01:05:46.720Or you're creating a kind of snuff film or something.
01:05:49.640I mean, that's the – that's where this goes.
01:05:52.940Nick's own people have been warning him about this guy for, I mean, forever.
01:05:57.220I mean, we've already covered about, you know, the bad optics of him going around, you know, messing around with all these schizophrenic women, saying that he was messing around with an underage girl.
01:06:09.140That girl was with him in D.C. and spray-painted a swastika, you know, outside the Holiday Inn they were staying at on video.
01:06:19.400I mean, we've seen – one of the episodes of Yoba's season, if you don't remember, was – remember the time he cracked and said, you know, I repudiate the alt-right and I've reformed myself?
01:06:31.700And we saw how – look how – in that case, he broke because he got banned from YouTube.
01:07:14.500And then next – you know, a year and a half later, he's talking to that, you know, goofy boomer on the day before the Stop the Steal thing, and he's like, I'm doing this for the white race.
01:07:39.540It is just – it is a digital personality seeking out chaos, and it eventuates in this.
01:07:47.440And it might even eventuate in things that are worse than this.
01:07:49.600Yeah, one thing me and you and Keith talked about is – I mean, we've seen how viciously these alt-white types can be when they turn on each other.
01:07:58.120Imagine, you know, Baked and Nick and Alex and Ali and all the rest of the gang here are going to get, you know, get frog-marched into federal court because of this.
01:08:09.420I mean, how viciously are they going to turn on each other, right, to play themselves?
01:08:14.760I mean, do you trust – I mean, are you ready to – are you that good of friends with Baked Alaska and Ali that you're ready to face federal criminal or civil charges because of this?
01:09:16.020Because, like, if I get subpoenaed or questioned about this, I will be – I will absolutely truthfully say, actually, I have no connection to any of this shit at all.
01:09:28.920And when they did this January 6th thing, I was actually telling people, oh, yeah, here's another performance theater, you know, nonsense going on.
01:09:39.980I had no earthly idea that this was about to happen.
01:09:42.940And I obviously don't support it anyway.
01:09:45.620So, yeah, it was the best thing you could – it could ever happen is that these vicious freaks –
01:09:50.680The silver lining of – silver lining of Charlottesville – yeah, silver lining of Charlottesville is those people split off and became this.
01:09:58.700And, you know, it culminated in this – they all – who all was there?
01:10:08.500I didn't see – the other little, like, hangers-on, I didn't – I have not seen an image of Scott Greer or Pat Casey in any of these things.
01:10:32.220Milo got a knock on the door beforehand about it and warned people not to go.
01:10:35.940So, no, Ethan Ralph, he didn't go because, like, last month – remember when Ralph got arrested last month over the domestic issue he had in Virginia, he wasn't allowed to leave the state.
01:10:48.280So, wow, Ralph really dodged a bullet.
01:11:08.000And I noticed, like, some of the cast of characters, like the hangers-on of AF, like the Red Elephants guy and Jaden – or I think it was that.
01:12:53.840And then there was like two months there when – yeah, it was two months there when things seemed to be settled down.
01:13:00.060I thought there was going to be violence.
01:13:01.180I thought the Patriots – there was going to be some kind of Patriot movement.
01:13:04.300And it was going to get – remember – oh, not only that.
01:13:05.960Remember I actually said that Nick was going to be a part of it.
01:13:10.180Because before the election, we were doing our predictions.
01:13:13.600We were like, okay, what happens to Greg Johnson after this?
01:13:16.700What happens to Nick Fuentes after this?
01:13:18.720And I predicted that there was going to be some kind of Patriot movement and that all the e-celebs and grifters and attention whores were going to be a part of it.
01:15:12.420It was evident right after the election when that Trump supporter was abducted in Chicago and was tortured on livestream, and Trump didn't even mention it.
01:15:21.200Trump hasn't mentioned Ashley Babbitt, who got shot and killed, who literally died for him, right?
01:15:28.380He actually – Trump actually condemned Babbitt, who went in there and died for him.
01:15:32.760And then threw all the people who did it under the bus, and then even before – remember, even before the election, he went on Hannity and condemned and disavowed the Proud Boys.
01:15:42.620And he was running on the Platinum Plan, which was prosecuting the KKK as domestic terrorists or something like that.
01:15:52.740And these guys learned nothing from it and stuck their neck out for Trump, and so he can get cut right off.
01:16:59.180I'm just so glad right now that – so glad right now I had nothing to do with this, and we had this huge breakup, like, back a few years ago.
01:17:08.480Wow, that ever – and, you know, being opposed to Trump, that ever, like, pay off for us in the long run.
01:17:15.500We don't have to deal with all this crap.
01:17:16.940It seems – being truthful and rational is the best strategy.
01:17:21.840You have to – you know, and this is what – you have to analyze something in order to be strategic.
01:17:29.100You can't just have a plan, you know, because I could have a plan to become king of the universe and, you know, a three-step process, this, this, this, that.
01:17:39.820If I have not properly analyzed the dynamic of the situation, that plan is a fairy tale.
01:17:48.300And these people can't analyze the situation.
01:17:52.420They can't understand what's really going on and what the dynamics are and what the facts are.
01:17:58.660And thus, these plans are either fairy tales or they're, you know, goofy, insane sieges of a Capitol building that are going to get them all killed and thrown in prison.
01:18:13.080In the – you know, in the end, you know, in the very end, Daily Stormer had become QAnon.
01:18:18.000I mean, it had become indistinguishable from any of the QAnon.
01:18:28.620The thing that was successful post, say, 2017 was being a shade of Q because everyone else who basically was critical in some way are all accused of being, like, oh, bitter, black-pilled, sarcastic jerks or whatever.
01:18:49.000That's what we all – like, I see that criticism.
01:18:53.580The things that were successful, that is, that were gaining more money, that were basically participating in really big rallies, all of those were shades of QAnon.
01:19:04.440And obviously, you can make distinctions between Nick Fuentes and QAnon.
01:19:08.720But the whole point is that it's all flowing in that direction.
01:19:16.440We must support him as a president and maybe as a myth is what I think BAP and Fuentes are saying now.
01:19:23.820And he is on our side, this is good, that we need to be – we need to kind of blend in to some massive movement.
01:19:32.560And again, if you want a radical mass movement, there is nothing better than QAnon.
01:19:38.680I mean, in 2016, 50%, according to one poll – and take one poll with a grain of salt – 50% of Republicans believed in some degree of the Pizzagate conspiracy.
01:19:50.560Now, there was major polling in November that 50% of Republican voters are fellow travelers of QAnon.
01:19:59.300They say, oh, I don't believe in Q and he goes too far, but I think that the Democrats are satanic, blood-sucking pedophiles.