RadixJournal - Monogamy and Modernity

00:00:00.000 Fair enough. So let's talk about the woman question so we can have a productive discourse here. So let me, I don't quite know what you're arguing, but let me sort of preemptively push back here.

00:00:15.020 um jf aren't we living in a sort of puritanical society despite the way it might look sex is down

00:00:28.200 like birth rates are falling due to many different factors one of the factors is that just there's

00:00:36.060 just less sex going on um we are living in a sort of moralizing society in which uh you know 50 0.99

00:00:46.060 years ago slapping your secretary on the ass is considered part of the job now that's some 0.99

00:00:52.300 heinous act that it should be criminal you know where we we live in a sort of sexless 1.00

00:00:58.940 puritanical society, even though it's going by another name. So how are you making this argument

00:01:08.280 that women are out of control and that we're degenerates? That's interesting. I don't disagree

00:01:17.520 with your statement. My view of the modern woman problem is that genetically, we have evolved for 0.99

00:01:25.960 women to love only when they are dependent. And women, there's some amount of women will just 1.00

00:01:34.080 love and reproduce while having lots of money, for example, but that is a very smaller portion. 0.86

00:01:42.760 So generally in history, throughout our evolution, women attached the dependence to the male as being 0.91

00:01:51.060 a condition for love, a condition for reproduction, 0.63

00:01:56.100 and luxury and power, therefore, are turn-offs.

00:02:00.180 They are sexual turn-offs.

00:02:02.220 So what you say is absolutely true.

00:02:04.900 There is less sex today, but in my view,

00:02:07.660 it is not a result of puritanism.

00:02:10.640 It is not a form of...

00:02:13.480 You could argue that far-left liberalism

00:02:16.260 maybe is a form of puritanism on its own, 0.69

00:02:18.640 But I think that down the line, it boils down to women have acquired so much independence and power, political power, free buys by the state, safety net of support, and even their own family, even private wealth is kind of ruining women. 0.98

00:02:36.480 I see it again and again in my dating life, you know, women that are millionaires and they end up 40 years old without a child because they weren't ever pushed to be that trailer park reproductive breeding woman, you know. 0.80

00:02:55.420 So you're dating a bunch of millionaires these days, huh, JF? 0.85

00:02:59.260 No, I'm not dating them because they're too old.

00:03:03.200 Oh, I see.

00:03:03.920 um okay do you all of this to say uh there is a tie between resource availability and that 1.00

00:03:12.640 happens in larvas in animals and women modern women have actually been put in an artificial 0.99

00:03:18.900 environment of abundance abundance of power and money and it turned them off and that's a problem 1.00

00:03:26.240 It's a problem for the continuity of civilization.

00:03:29.340 Do you think that on some fundamental way, all of these ideas, both of dogmatic Christianity or feminism, are second order effects of the material world?

00:03:46.580 And so there's some way in which this train is going down the tracks and we can yell and scream, but being that no one is able to stop the train, that the brakes are shot, it's just flying down this track, yelling and screaming is totally impotent.

00:04:09.840 And, you know, what I was going to say, so there have been some material revolutions throughout world history. The Industrial Revolution was certainly, sorry, I froze there. I just got a text message.

00:04:23.760 The Industrial Revolution was certainly one. That involved a lot of tinkering with machinery, and the tinkering of one little factory owner led to today where there's a Tesla factory that's thousands of acres in Texas producing machines through robots and so on a couple of hundred years later.

00:04:52.840 Another major revolution was the exploitation of fossil fuels. So it's not just the gas for your car. It's the tires. It's the plastic in the car. It's everything is a petroleum base. The fact that we found this black gold in the Middle East and Texas and South America and elsewhere, it's just radically transformed the world.

00:05:16.860 There seems to be another transformation, which is communications, not just the Internet, that's obvious, but the telephone, the fax machine, et cetera.

00:05:29.660 And we have entered a sort of post-industrial economy where, you know, despite whatever some male chauvinist says, women are just as good, in many ways better, than men at doing these tasks that are very high-level wealth-producing tasks that they can do better.

00:05:57.780 I think women can be better, uh, managers of many things. Women are better at multitasking. Women are more social, uh, women are more people pleasers, uh, more affable. Um, at the very least, you can say that, um, they can do it as well as men. I mean, do you want a bunch of men up there being like, you know, millennial core in a hoop or, you know, like, is that what you want?

00:06:24.060 Because at the end of the day, selling natural, low, reasonably priced skin care sort of is where we are right now in the history of production.

00:06:35.500 We're not all going to be lumberjacks.

00:06:38.740 Agriculture, I mean, this is the key one.

00:06:41.540 40% of employment in 1900 was agriculture.

00:06:45.920 It's now less than two.

00:06:48.480 And you don't need more than 2%.

00:06:51.900 One farmer operating machinery using AI, using fertilizer, one farmer can feed hundreds of thousands of people with technology.

00:07:01.680 We don't need a situation where there is a patriarchal father, the wife maintains the homestead, and the kids are farm labor, which is what things were.

00:07:13.880 So we're just due to material conditions, we are on this track towards this place.

00:07:20.820 Now, I think it would be interesting to look at the collapse of complex societies, that sometimes societies become too complex. You know, there is a benefit to being sort of anti-fragile in the sense of like, I've got a homestead and I know how to keep the chicken coop. I know how to milk the cow. I can plant some things.

00:07:44.220 So if there's an apocalypse, I'll survive. I'm likely to survive. Now, if you're living in Los Angeles and you're a social media manager for an independent consulting firm, you're shit out of luck if you need to get food in some real basic way.

00:08:07.340 There's a benefit to being connected to the land. Perhaps societies can be so complex and so specialized, the division of labor can diverge in such ways that no one knows how to do the basic thing. They sort of have lost touch with the basic functioning of society, and these societies can collapse.

00:08:28.320 This book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, wasn't dealing with postmodern America. It was actually dealing with ancient Egypt, which in its own way got that complex and did not disappear. Other civilizations disappeared, but it collapsed to a level where it went below where it was hundreds of years earlier.

00:08:49.620 and so maybe on some level like arguing with feminists you know why are you arguing with 1.00

00:08:56.780 that only fangirl who's making more money than you are selling her tits you know like what what 1.00

00:09:03.380 does she want to hear from you you're not going to find a man with that type of behavior she 1.00

00:09:08.360 literally don't need no man she doesn't need you and so you're just you're just yelling at a brick

00:09:15.280 wall basically and so so many of these things are to sum up my stand my my stance here so many of

00:09:23.940 these things are materially related and if you're if you're you can create you if you're just

00:09:31.660 criticizing them then you're not really understanding them because if you're just

00:09:36.340 criticizing it you're you're you're suggesting that like well if if only everyone listened to

00:09:42.700 the Andrew Wilson podcast, then we would all be lumberjacks and we'd all have this wife and

00:09:49.180 three kids and, you know, strong families, patriarchy or whatever. It's not a lifestyle

00:09:55.200 choice. It is something that is like a third degree effect, a derivative of a material

00:10:04.400 technological transition that has been occurring over the few hundred years. Sorry, I've been

00:10:08.820 reading a lot of marks recently so i i have a little marks on my brain here it's the economic

00:10:14.540 substrate that is what determines the future yes absolutely i think you make a lot of important

00:10:21.980 points on your first point um i agree that there is a trade-off a woman is a thing and a man is a

00:10:30.500 thing they are archetypal modes and if you want to get a corporate good image that does marketing

00:10:38.320 that follows order, that implements the plan. 1.00

00:10:41.620 Yes, maybe women are better at this. 1.00

00:10:44.340 I do happen to believe that women employment in the modern world 1.00

00:10:47.920 is a result of zombie economy, and it's not a result of real demand. 1.00

00:10:52.460 So it's a result of the inefficacies of corporations

00:10:56.820 that have monies trickling down from the Fed,

00:11:00.800 the expansion of the monetary supply,

00:11:02.880 and a lot of money ends up being distributed in a non-demand-related way.

00:11:08.320 but more in a top-down, elite-controlled kind of way. 1.00

00:11:11.840 So I happen to believe that women are being artificially pushed 1.00

00:11:15.840 into viability when they're not that viable 0.99

00:11:19.160 from a perspective of workplace employment, 1.00

00:11:22.840 whereas men, they are another end of the trade-off, 0.99

00:11:26.800 and it's like men are a mess. 0.99

00:11:28.920 They are an absolute mess psychologically in a way. 1.00

00:11:31.740 You can get violence from them. 0.98

00:11:33.280 You can get alcoholism.

00:11:34.920 You can get all sorts of trouble.

00:11:36.600 but down the line you need that mess to get the guy who can code an ai because there's not a

00:11:42.880 single woman right now that is at grok ai xai spacex coding this stuff deeply it will always

00:11:51.860 be a man because you had to you basically had to make a mess to to obtain genius so that's the way

00:11:58.940 i see it that's the that's the the trade-off now is that the question i well that that is true okay

00:12:07.300 there is literally not a woman and this is not to be misogynistic but there is not a woman on heart

00:12:12.780 who will take you through code like intelligently right so who will explain to you the whole how

00:12:21.260 grok works so that is just what you need a man who understands essential oil skin care

00:12:28.580 I mean, keep that. Exactly. I say that as a joke, but almost not completely as a joke, actually. It's kind of true. Do you understand what I'm saying?

00:12:38.240 No, it is true. It is deeply true. Like if I see an oil essence, I would just throw it to the trash. If a woman sees it, she sees a marketing possibility. That's why she can cash in on these things. And I can't. In a way, they are enabled for the modern world.

00:12:55.980 Now, on the question of consequences, yes, it's all trickling down of physics to me down the line.

00:13:03.060 It's even more than Marx and more than economics.

00:13:06.640 My problem with it is as we trickle down these consequences, of course, what do you have? 1.00

00:13:11.360 You have the female will to power, basically growing and accumulating power and being able, therefore, to deny, to deny reproduction because they have maybe 500 pimps on OnlyFans. 1.00

00:13:24.180 and that maintains them. 0.96

00:13:26.940 Now, my worry is that the sexual dynamic

00:13:29.700 that are created in this world,

00:13:31.800 they are actually causes for big societal ills.

00:13:35.280 And I don't just mean the act of sex itself

00:13:37.840 or the Puritan morality approach to it.

00:13:41.220 I mean the biological consequences down the line 0.99

00:13:43.960 of having effectively these systems of polygamy for the female.

00:13:50.300 Because what do we have? 0.94

00:13:51.760 What is an OnlyFans, really? 0.60

00:13:53.440 If you think of it as an IO plug between men and women, it's the interface of polygamy, really.

00:14:01.140 It is one woman being funded by 500 men.

00:14:05.480 Now, it's also one woman that will not give a baby to a single one of these 500 men.

00:14:11.420 So it is really a big enterprise of deception, of biological deception.

00:14:16.360 Now, my worry is people are trickling down these paths that are hedonistically pleasant.

00:14:23.440 Because they have rewards, they masturbate or whatever, but that are biologically unviable and they basically waste their lives pursuing just the pleasure, but not the biological gains that were meant for this pleasure.

00:14:38.600 What do we have at the end? 0.98

00:14:40.040 The problem is when you build a polygamist society, and this is actually my theory of what's happening in societies when they become violent. 0.98

00:14:47.920 I believe that violence between males and war are basically woman puppet shows. 1.00

00:14:58.140 They are just like the deer. 0.99

00:14:59.820 When the deer female looks at two males, what she's demanding basically is that the two deers collide with each other in the head until one of them dies or abandons.

00:15:10.640 And she will get the winner. 0.99

00:15:12.120 That's contest behavior. 1.00

00:15:13.660 It exists across the animal world.

00:15:15.660 I believe that a lot of male violence is actually contest behavior, too, in humanity.

00:15:23.020 And I am worried that the more you create despair, the more you create 500 men who each are aligned toward the same woman but can't have her, you ultimately create 500 deers that want to bump each other in the head.

00:15:38.120 And ultimately, you awaken the mechanisms by which biology awakens violence.

00:15:45.020 I believe that there is a deep tie, deep evolutionary tie between polygamy and violence, and I believe that the more incels you get, and you can see it actually in the school shooter data almost, you can see that mass amounts of violence are caused by despair, and that despair is often not getting the girlfriend.

00:16:04.160 it's very interesting what you're saying reminds me uh quite a bit about freud and in his uh sort

00:16:15.000 of speculative history of prehistory uh basically a prehistoric man so the natural way of doing

00:16:24.740 things is not monogamy the natural way of doing things is polygamy in the sense of the big guy

00:16:31.240 gets all the girls basically and at some point it was the first effort at democracy or something

00:16:39.920 like this and it was the first killing of the father and it's all of the men who didn't who 0.99

00:16:47.740 were outside of the harem said oh well we've got a lot in common none of us are getting pussy 0.99

00:16:53.420 And so we go in and do this, you know, archetypal killing of the alpha. And then they sort of divvy up the women in a better manner. Maybe in some cases, you know, the strongest beta takes all the women and the cycle continues or something like that. 0.99

00:17:12.960 But at some point, we reach this social construct, which is more or less monogamy and maybe less, more or less than more in many cases, but more or less monogamy.

00:17:26.620 um but what you're saying is that at the end of history in this post-modern world it's sort of

00:17:34.820 like the the female is the alpha and she has this reverse harem of men who are trying to at at the

00:17:48.220 very most uh have sex with her but non-reproductive sex i would say at the very most they want to 0.99

00:17:54.860 fuck that's what they might hope to get from it but they're not none of them i think that deeply 0.99

00:18:00.220 they all want a baby from her they all want a baby from her that their culture may not have 0.99

00:18:06.900 allowed them to think it explicitly and maybe they're spammed by the new you know modern

00:18:12.840 mentality around children but i believe deeply that's all they they want and i will point out

00:18:18.300 this reverse hiram i love the word you just used i've never heard it it's powerful it's very

00:18:24.040 important uh this reverse arm is headed by an elite that uh they are these guys you know in

00:18:31.480 california that are operating these only fans women just like andrew tate was in a way they

00:18:37.600 are pimps basically was doing this yes yeah yeah they are pimps of this new industry they need 0.91

00:18:46.100 woman to display that alpha status to gather the simping of all these guys and that is extremely

00:18:54.000 worrying uh and when you look at these pimps they they're not that reproductively successful it's

00:19:00.560 always amazing to me it's like for all this trouble that they see in the sexual dynamics

00:19:05.420 they don't even get 200 babies and i'm like how how why uh that is to me a very unhealthy

00:19:14.860 uh pattern because it's ultimately male fucking up other men yeah that is that that's a very

00:19:22.920 interesting way of of of saying it um how how could the material conditions change 0.80

00:19:32.660 that would affect sexual relations

00:19:38.000 yeah that's interesting i see it as evolutionarily attaining the bottom of the barrel

00:19:46.460 so when is our system becoming unsustainable when does it fail and i don't know exactly when it

00:19:54.340 fails probably some degree of accelerationism and the degeneracy is desirable probably you can

00:20:01.220 think that it will fail the quickest if it goes the weirdest.

00:20:06.460 But idiocracy basically tells us, no, there's no end to it. 1.00

00:20:10.900 It's forever becoming stupider. 0.99

00:20:14.360 And idiocracy has a lot of premonitory comments on sexual exploitation. 0.99

00:20:20.280 Like their Starbucks is basically only fans with the physical contact.

00:20:27.060 So to me, when will this system reach its end?

00:20:31.220 when it stops being fed by artificial forces that are sustaining this model of basically sexual fraud

00:20:40.200 that is the the reverse harem model when does that happen i don't know but a lot of men are

00:20:47.940 are the artificial forces sort of monopoly capitalism you know and in a way like amazon

00:20:56.260 has achieved a monopoly to a large degree on mail mail order basic items you know if you're

00:21:06.380 going to buy a book or detergent there's nine out of ten times you're going to go to amazon

00:21:12.640 and so they you sort of achieve this monopoly to this point where you're you're too big to fail

00:21:20.200 You're everywhere. There's no real competition. What could you even do to compete with Amazon if you're trying to do the same thing? And basically, not that Amazon is even the wokest of companies, but just using it as an obvious example of this, but these monopoly capitalism become so successful that it doesn't matter.

00:21:47.260 I mean, if Apple Computer did a misinvestment of $10 million, it wouldn't even show up on a spreadsheet.

00:21:56.980 It's a rounding error.

00:21:57.940 Now, if I misinvested $10 million, I'd be working my way out of this hole for years.

00:22:06.100 So is it that?

00:22:08.420 And so basically the culture, there's this X surplus capital and the culture is able to sort of point it in a direction of let's go throw some, you know, some some meaningless foam over in that direction because you're not going to notice in any way.

00:22:27.700 i think that the system may be unsustainable because it is punishing evolutionarily to be 0.53

00:22:35.480 engaging in this sexual exploitation it's punishing for the man because he's simping

00:22:40.100 and losing his money to something that doesn't produce his babies it's also very unproductive 0.88

00:22:46.240 for the woman because they live this extremely fertile infertile lifestyle with birth pill and 1.00

00:22:52.800 IUDs. So the women who engage in sex work are not particularly reproducing well. So that can 0.99

00:23:01.560 give you a hope that the kind of family is to be restored eventually. But you can also think that

00:23:08.060 there is an infinite supply of surplus men. And that throughout history, we have basically been

00:23:15.040 finding solutions to that surplus men, which is often to go to war and get them to kill each other

00:23:21.700 until there's no surplus.

00:23:24.500 Those are the two paths in my view.

00:23:26.680 If it has to stop,

00:23:27.720 it will stop because of natural selection. 0.94

00:23:31.140 And that will be because sex work is punitive 1.00

00:23:34.160 and even work is punitive for women 1.00

00:23:37.320 because women who are these corporate CEOs, 1.00

00:23:41.380 you see them failing at having babies. 1.00

00:23:43.780 So there is definitely a natural selection happening there.

00:23:47.140 Is it strong enough?

00:23:48.160 Or will we get the model rather than

00:23:50.400 that basically nature has accepted

00:23:53.460 that 80% of the males are not needed.

00:23:57.740 And that may be the dramatic possibility

00:24:00.060 that forever humanity is stuck in filth

00:24:03.980 and pursuit of hedonism and mindlessness 1.00

00:24:07.680 because nature always produces way too many males

00:24:11.540 for what's actually needed.

00:24:14.500 Interesting.

00:24:15.900 Maybe the 50-50 split is not so that

00:24:20.360 there's one man to one woman that's not what nature is doing the the 50 50 split is that there's

00:24:27.480 two males for 10 women perhaps and the other eight kill each other in violent uh

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Monogamy and Modernity

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