00:00:00.000Fair enough. So let's talk about the woman question so we can have a productive discourse here. So let me, I don't quite know what you're arguing, but let me sort of preemptively push back here.
00:00:15.020um jf aren't we living in a sort of puritanical society despite the way it might look sex is down
00:00:28.200like birth rates are falling due to many different factors one of the factors is that just there's
00:00:36.060just less sex going on um we are living in a sort of moralizing society in which uh you know 50
00:00:46.060years ago slapping your secretary on the ass is considered part of the job now that's some
00:00:52.300heinous act that it should be criminal you know where we we live in a sort of sexless
00:00:58.940puritanical society, even though it's going by another name. So how are you making this argument
00:01:08.280that women are out of control and that we're degenerates? That's interesting. I don't disagree
00:01:17.520with your statement. My view of the modern woman problem is that genetically, we have evolved for
00:01:25.960women to love only when they are dependent. And women, there's some amount of women will just
00:01:34.080love and reproduce while having lots of money, for example, but that is a very smaller portion.
00:01:42.760So generally in history, throughout our evolution, women attached the dependence to the male as being
00:01:51.060a condition for love, a condition for reproduction,
00:01:56.100and luxury and power, therefore, are turn-offs.
00:02:13.480You could argue that far-left liberalism
00:02:16.260maybe is a form of puritanism on its own,
00:02:18.640But I think that down the line, it boils down to women have acquired so much independence and power, political power, free buys by the state, safety net of support, and even their own family, even private wealth is kind of ruining women.
00:02:36.480I see it again and again in my dating life, you know, women that are millionaires and they end up 40 years old without a child because they weren't ever pushed to be that trailer park reproductive breeding woman, you know.
00:02:55.420So you're dating a bunch of millionaires these days, huh, JF?
00:02:59.260No, I'm not dating them because they're too old.
00:03:03.920um okay do you all of this to say uh there is a tie between resource availability and that
00:03:12.640happens in larvas in animals and women modern women have actually been put in an artificial
00:03:18.900environment of abundance abundance of power and money and it turned them off and that's a problem
00:03:26.240It's a problem for the continuity of civilization.
00:03:29.340Do you think that on some fundamental way, all of these ideas, both of dogmatic Christianity or feminism, are second order effects of the material world?
00:03:46.580And so there's some way in which this train is going down the tracks and we can yell and scream, but being that no one is able to stop the train, that the brakes are shot, it's just flying down this track, yelling and screaming is totally impotent.
00:04:09.840And, you know, what I was going to say, so there have been some material revolutions throughout world history. The Industrial Revolution was certainly, sorry, I froze there. I just got a text message.
00:04:23.760The Industrial Revolution was certainly one. That involved a lot of tinkering with machinery, and the tinkering of one little factory owner led to today where there's a Tesla factory that's thousands of acres in Texas producing machines through robots and so on a couple of hundred years later.
00:04:52.840Another major revolution was the exploitation of fossil fuels. So it's not just the gas for your car. It's the tires. It's the plastic in the car. It's everything is a petroleum base. The fact that we found this black gold in the Middle East and Texas and South America and elsewhere, it's just radically transformed the world.
00:05:16.860There seems to be another transformation, which is communications, not just the Internet, that's obvious, but the telephone, the fax machine, et cetera.
00:05:29.660And we have entered a sort of post-industrial economy where, you know, despite whatever some male chauvinist says, women are just as good, in many ways better, than men at doing these tasks that are very high-level wealth-producing tasks that they can do better.
00:05:57.780I think women can be better, uh, managers of many things. Women are better at multitasking. Women are more social, uh, women are more people pleasers, uh, more affable. Um, at the very least, you can say that, um, they can do it as well as men. I mean, do you want a bunch of men up there being like, you know, millennial core in a hoop or, you know, like, is that what you want?
00:06:24.060Because at the end of the day, selling natural, low, reasonably priced skin care sort of is where we are right now in the history of production.
00:06:35.500We're not all going to be lumberjacks.
00:06:38.740Agriculture, I mean, this is the key one.
00:06:41.54040% of employment in 1900 was agriculture.
00:06:51.900One farmer operating machinery using AI, using fertilizer, one farmer can feed hundreds of thousands of people with technology.
00:07:01.680We don't need a situation where there is a patriarchal father, the wife maintains the homestead, and the kids are farm labor, which is what things were.
00:07:13.880So we're just due to material conditions, we are on this track towards this place.
00:07:20.820Now, I think it would be interesting to look at the collapse of complex societies, that sometimes societies become too complex. You know, there is a benefit to being sort of anti-fragile in the sense of like, I've got a homestead and I know how to keep the chicken coop. I know how to milk the cow. I can plant some things.
00:07:44.220So if there's an apocalypse, I'll survive. I'm likely to survive. Now, if you're living in Los Angeles and you're a social media manager for an independent consulting firm, you're shit out of luck if you need to get food in some real basic way.
00:08:07.340There's a benefit to being connected to the land. Perhaps societies can be so complex and so specialized, the division of labor can diverge in such ways that no one knows how to do the basic thing. They sort of have lost touch with the basic functioning of society, and these societies can collapse.
00:08:28.320This book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, wasn't dealing with postmodern America. It was actually dealing with ancient Egypt, which in its own way got that complex and did not disappear. Other civilizations disappeared, but it collapsed to a level where it went below where it was hundreds of years earlier.
00:08:49.620and so maybe on some level like arguing with feminists you know why are you arguing with
00:08:56.780that only fangirl who's making more money than you are selling her tits you know like what what
00:09:03.380does she want to hear from you you're not going to find a man with that type of behavior she
00:09:08.360literally don't need no man she doesn't need you and so you're just you're just yelling at a brick
00:09:15.280wall basically and so so many of these things are to sum up my stand my my stance here so many of
00:09:23.940these things are materially related and if you're if you're you can create you if you're just
00:09:31.660criticizing them then you're not really understanding them because if you're just
00:09:36.340criticizing it you're you're you're suggesting that like well if if only everyone listened to
00:09:42.700the Andrew Wilson podcast, then we would all be lumberjacks and we'd all have this wife and
00:09:49.180three kids and, you know, strong families, patriarchy or whatever. It's not a lifestyle
00:09:55.200choice. It is something that is like a third degree effect, a derivative of a material
00:10:04.400technological transition that has been occurring over the few hundred years. Sorry, I've been
00:10:08.820reading a lot of marks recently so i i have a little marks on my brain here it's the economic
00:10:14.540substrate that is what determines the future yes absolutely i think you make a lot of important
00:10:21.980points on your first point um i agree that there is a trade-off a woman is a thing and a man is a
00:10:30.500thing they are archetypal modes and if you want to get a corporate good image that does marketing
00:10:38.320that follows order, that implements the plan.
00:11:36.600but down the line you need that mess to get the guy who can code an ai because there's not a
00:11:42.880single woman right now that is at grok ai xai spacex coding this stuff deeply it will always
00:11:51.860be a man because you had to you basically had to make a mess to to obtain genius so that's the way
00:11:58.940i see it that's the that's the the trade-off now is that the question i well that that is true okay
00:12:07.300there is literally not a woman and this is not to be misogynistic but there is not a woman on heart
00:12:12.780who will take you through code like intelligently right so who will explain to you the whole how
00:12:21.260grok works so that is just what you need a man who understands essential oil skin care
00:12:28.580I mean, keep that. Exactly. I say that as a joke, but almost not completely as a joke, actually. It's kind of true. Do you understand what I'm saying?
00:12:38.240No, it is true. It is deeply true. Like if I see an oil essence, I would just throw it to the trash. If a woman sees it, she sees a marketing possibility. That's why she can cash in on these things. And I can't. In a way, they are enabled for the modern world.
00:12:55.980Now, on the question of consequences, yes, it's all trickling down of physics to me down the line.
00:13:03.060It's even more than Marx and more than economics.
00:13:06.640My problem with it is as we trickle down these consequences, of course, what do you have?
00:13:11.360You have the female will to power, basically growing and accumulating power and being able, therefore, to deny, to deny reproduction because they have maybe 500 pimps on OnlyFans.
00:13:53.440If you think of it as an IO plug between men and women, it's the interface of polygamy, really.
00:14:01.140It is one woman being funded by 500 men.
00:14:05.480Now, it's also one woman that will not give a baby to a single one of these 500 men.
00:14:11.420So it is really a big enterprise of deception, of biological deception.
00:14:16.360Now, my worry is people are trickling down these paths that are hedonistically pleasant.
00:14:23.440Because they have rewards, they masturbate or whatever, but that are biologically unviable and they basically waste their lives pursuing just the pleasure, but not the biological gains that were meant for this pleasure.
00:14:40.040The problem is when you build a polygamist society, and this is actually my theory of what's happening in societies when they become violent.
00:14:47.920I believe that violence between males and war are basically woman puppet shows.
00:14:59.820When the deer female looks at two males, what she's demanding basically is that the two deers collide with each other in the head until one of them dies or abandons.
00:15:15.660I believe that a lot of male violence is actually contest behavior, too, in humanity.
00:15:23.020And I am worried that the more you create despair, the more you create 500 men who each are aligned toward the same woman but can't have her, you ultimately create 500 deers that want to bump each other in the head.
00:15:38.120And ultimately, you awaken the mechanisms by which biology awakens violence.
00:15:45.020I believe that there is a deep tie, deep evolutionary tie between polygamy and violence, and I believe that the more incels you get, and you can see it actually in the school shooter data almost, you can see that mass amounts of violence are caused by despair, and that despair is often not getting the girlfriend.
00:16:04.160it's very interesting what you're saying reminds me uh quite a bit about freud and in his uh sort
00:16:15.000of speculative history of prehistory uh basically a prehistoric man so the natural way of doing
00:16:24.740things is not monogamy the natural way of doing things is polygamy in the sense of the big guy
00:16:31.240gets all the girls basically and at some point it was the first effort at democracy or something
00:16:39.920like this and it was the first killing of the father and it's all of the men who didn't who
00:16:47.740were outside of the harem said oh well we've got a lot in common none of us are getting pussy
00:16:53.420And so we go in and do this, you know, archetypal killing of the alpha. And then they sort of divvy up the women in a better manner. Maybe in some cases, you know, the strongest beta takes all the women and the cycle continues or something like that.
00:17:12.960But at some point, we reach this social construct, which is more or less monogamy and maybe less, more or less than more in many cases, but more or less monogamy.
00:17:26.620um but what you're saying is that at the end of history in this post-modern world it's sort of
00:17:34.820like the the female is the alpha and she has this reverse harem of men who are trying to at at the
00:17:48.220very most uh have sex with her but non-reproductive sex i would say at the very most they want to
00:17:54.860fuck that's what they might hope to get from it but they're not none of them i think that deeply
00:18:00.220they all want a baby from her they all want a baby from her that their culture may not have
00:18:06.900allowed them to think it explicitly and maybe they're spammed by the new you know modern
00:18:12.840mentality around children but i believe deeply that's all they they want and i will point out
00:18:18.300this reverse hiram i love the word you just used i've never heard it it's powerful it's very
00:18:24.040important uh this reverse arm is headed by an elite that uh they are these guys you know in
00:18:31.480california that are operating these only fans women just like andrew tate was in a way they
00:18:37.600are pimps basically was doing this yes yeah yeah they are pimps of this new industry they need
00:18:46.100woman to display that alpha status to gather the simping of all these guys and that is extremely
00:18:54.000worrying uh and when you look at these pimps they they're not that reproductively successful it's
00:19:00.560always amazing to me it's like for all this trouble that they see in the sexual dynamics
00:19:05.420they don't even get 200 babies and i'm like how how why uh that is to me a very unhealthy
00:19:14.860uh pattern because it's ultimately male fucking up other men yeah that is that that's a very
00:19:22.920interesting way of of of saying it um how how could the material conditions change
00:20:14.360And idiocracy has a lot of premonitory comments on sexual exploitation.
00:20:20.280Like their Starbucks is basically only fans with the physical contact.
00:20:27.060So to me, when will this system reach its end?
00:20:31.220when it stops being fed by artificial forces that are sustaining this model of basically sexual fraud
00:20:40.200that is the the reverse harem model when does that happen i don't know but a lot of men are
00:20:47.940are the artificial forces sort of monopoly capitalism you know and in a way like amazon
00:20:56.260has achieved a monopoly to a large degree on mail mail order basic items you know if you're
00:21:06.380going to buy a book or detergent there's nine out of ten times you're going to go to amazon
00:21:12.640and so they you sort of achieve this monopoly to this point where you're you're too big to fail
00:21:20.200You're everywhere. There's no real competition. What could you even do to compete with Amazon if you're trying to do the same thing? And basically, not that Amazon is even the wokest of companies, but just using it as an obvious example of this, but these monopoly capitalism become so successful that it doesn't matter.
00:21:47.260I mean, if Apple Computer did a misinvestment of $10 million, it wouldn't even show up on a spreadsheet.
00:22:08.420And so basically the culture, there's this X surplus capital and the culture is able to sort of point it in a direction of let's go throw some, you know, some some meaningless foam over in that direction because you're not going to notice in any way.
00:22:27.700i think that the system may be unsustainable because it is punishing evolutionarily to be
00:22:35.480engaging in this sexual exploitation it's punishing for the man because he's simping
00:22:40.100and losing his money to something that doesn't produce his babies it's also very unproductive
00:22:46.240for the woman because they live this extremely fertile infertile lifestyle with birth pill and
00:22:52.800IUDs. So the women who engage in sex work are not particularly reproducing well. So that can
00:23:01.560give you a hope that the kind of family is to be restored eventually. But you can also think that
00:23:08.060there is an infinite supply of surplus men. And that throughout history, we have basically been
00:23:15.040finding solutions to that surplus men, which is often to go to war and get them to kill each other