In this episode of the Forward podcast, I sit down with my good friend and long-time friend, Dr. Aaron Sorkin, to talk about Elon Musk and why the right loves him. We talk about his rise to the top of the right, why the left loves him, and why it's time for people to forgive him.
00:00:00.000If you told me that the greatest celebrity, most influential person on the right, would be the guy who makes electric cars, who wants to put a microchip in everyone's head,
00:00:17.720and who I saw one report doesn't have sex with women but impregnates them through IVF and invests very little in his children, is a sort of our strategist of a kind, I guess you could say.
00:00:38.120And that this man would be lionized, lauded, etc., by American conservatives, I guess at first hearing I would say, you've lost your mind.
00:00:52.740Of course they would hate someone like this.
00:00:54.840Isn't he in a way the fantasy of Bill Gates or something?
00:01:00.380Like, what do you make of just that fact that the right loves this man and seems to forgive him or at least look the other way?
00:01:11.360And then I guess we could also talk a little bit more about the reproductive strategy he's pursuing.
00:01:18.600But what do you think of these things?
00:02:48.780And he wants to be president, in fact.
00:02:51.320He's learned from Trump, which is that conventional politics are over.
00:02:59.180You don't need endorsements from the local mayor or the governor of Iowa.
00:03:04.780You don't necessarily even need to go on Fox News, although he would do that at some points.
00:03:12.000You can be a kind of candidate from the internet, much like Ron Paul was.
00:03:17.900But Ron Paul got 5% of the vote at most.
00:03:20.980You can actually win as the candidate from the internet.
00:03:24.080You are – the fact that the establishment hates you is good.
00:03:27.900You can show that the governor of Iowa endorsed someone else as proof that they're part of the satanic cabal or they're, you know, the deep state or the swamp or whatever.
00:03:41.620And you can just run this alternative campaign.
00:03:45.000Now, Elon Musk is not – was not born in the United States, although he also does not seem to follow laws.
00:03:54.000So, I'm actually – think he might want to be president, and it sort of looks like he is president.
00:04:04.920But anyway, to go back to what you were saying, just to set it up so everyone knows what we're talking about.
00:04:09.840So, Elon Musk was saying things that were critical of Zionism, anti-Zionist maybe, anti-Semitic perhaps.
00:04:19.820It's the aforementioned tweet where he said that's 100% correct.
00:04:24.040The Jews have it coming in a way by supporting multiculturalism of the left.
00:04:30.020He then said something that was much more, you know, reasoned and sort of mainstream.
00:04:38.880But it was actually a little – it was critical of Israel, and it was kind of radical on the edges.
00:04:45.720He said, you know, you can kill one or two Hamas leaders.
00:04:55.620And, you know, like snakes out of the head of Medusa, all of these new, young, highly motivated, maybe more violent Muslims are going to rise up.
00:05:04.600And so you have to think about it that way.
00:05:06.160That was not what Israel wanted to hear.
00:05:09.580And then shortly after these things, he also went on a space with a bunch of rabbis who were sort of lecturing him.
00:06:15.120I predicted that there was a woman walking around, a Jewish woman with a child from Elon.
00:06:20.840And it was on the month where he inseminated Ashley St. Clair, on January 2024.
00:06:28.100Now, what had triggered that prediction was that in all this kind of tour of apology and Auschwitz visit, he had said something to make the case that he shouldn't be called anti-Semitic.
00:06:41.840And he had said, I've always considered myself, you know, on team Jew.
00:06:47.720And it's like he was about to say, I've always considered myself Jewish.
00:07:24.180And, of course, there was the whole bigger concern for free speech.
00:07:27.820But that was the presented as the most important thing that had offended Elon.
00:07:34.500Turns out Ashley St. Clair is an employee of the Babylon Bee.
00:07:37.720And when the Babylon Bee starts doing the center view in a room with Musk as he acquires Twitter, he asks for Ashley St. Clair to be transported.
00:08:31.300It makes jokes that are supposed to pull the Christian sensitivity.
00:08:37.000And yet, it's an organ of Jewish power in a reformulated republicanism, where the Republican Party would be the host of a form of centrism.
00:08:48.040And this is all happening at the same time as Elon Musk is getting his baby from Ashley St. Clair.
00:08:54.200It's like one of these old marriages that you had, uniting families at war or resolving conflicts between kingdoms in Europe.
00:09:05.180It's really a contractual baby that is coming from Ashley St. Clair.
00:09:10.460And it's a contract, ultimately, between Jews, right-wing thought.
00:09:17.220Because at this point, I think that what the Jews have seen is that we can't have support from the young generation, neither right nor left, but certainly not the anti-war leftists.
00:09:29.120And they were eyeing Gaza, probably for a long time, and they were eyeing an expansion in the West Bank.
00:09:37.400And so they started realizing, we're going to need to do the neocon thing again.
00:10:51.500I actually looked into the Babylon Bee.
00:10:53.480I don't find the Babylon Bee very funny.
00:10:56.160It seems like, you know, for instance, the Onion back in the day, there was a kind of dry, even quasi-nihilistic human, nihilistic element to the Onion back in the day.
00:11:15.340Like they would have a headline like saying, you know, man has banged his head up against a brick wall for 10 hours and yet his life still sucks.
00:11:27.620There was a sort of, you know what I'm talking about, a certain American Midwestern vibe to it about how life kind of sucks and is boring and these silly opinions from men on the street and so on.
00:13:01.800This, you know, din of iniquity and sin and et cetera.
00:13:06.920And they would, I think they would, what I read is that early on they would make sort of self-deprecating jokes about evangelical Christians
00:13:17.000and Joel Osteen and Kirk Cameron and things like that, which I find sort of innocuous.