RadixJournal - Professor Jiang on Eschatoloigical History

00:00:00.000 All right. Well, it is 9 p.m. in New York, 7 p.m. out here in Montana. And it is my pleasure to

00:00:10.460 welcome Professor Jiang to our abode, our discussion. So, Professor Jiang, I hope I

00:00:19.180 didn't mangle your name. If I did, that's on me. But welcome. Thank you. Great. So, first off,

00:00:28.540 before we start this discussion, I'd like to let you introduce yourself to our

00:00:34.440 group. So, you have an interesting history in both China and Canada. And just give us

00:00:42.880 a little taste of your personal story. Yeah. Great. So, thanks so much for inviting

00:00:49.380 me, Richard. So, my name is Professor Jiang. I was born in China. And then when I was six,

00:00:56.140 my family and I immigrated to Toronto, Canada for better opportunities. My father had just

00:01:01.960 experienced the Cultural Revolution. And he didn't want me to experience that as well. So,

00:01:07.260 we went over. My father was a high school teacher in China, but he didn't really speak English. So,

00:01:14.780 when he went over to Canada, he became a dishwasher, a restaurant cook for the rest of his life. He's

00:01:20.300 retired now. And I grew up in Toronto, but I worked very hard. And I got a scholarship to study at Yale

00:01:29.140 University. I was an English major there. And I wanted to go to law school because that's what you

00:01:34.640 do after you graduate from Yale. But I wanted to take a break before going to law school. So, I came

00:01:40.540 over to Beijing, China to teach English at a high school for a couple of years. And I loved it. I fell in

00:01:46.760 love with education. I fell in love with teaching. I've tried different careers. I've worked as a

00:01:51.760 journalist. I've worked as a filmmaker. I've also worked for the United Nations in Afghanistan. So,

00:01:57.320 I've had a pretty eclectic career. But I've always loved education. So, when I was in my early 30s,

00:02:06.120 I returned to education in China. And I've worked in different capacities. I was a high school principal.

00:02:11.100 I was a curriculum director. I was a teacher trainer. And now, I am just a regular high

00:02:16.900 school teacher because I have three kids. I have three young kids. And I need to spend time with my

00:02:22.480 kids. So, I returned to the classroom. But I've always wanted to teach the liberal arts. So,

00:02:28.920 as a high school teacher, I teach the great books, the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Divine Comedy,

00:02:34.940 the Republic, the Bible, the Ineat, and then Paradise Lost. So, I teach all the great books,

00:02:40.280 basically. And...

00:02:42.600 Of the Western canon, is what it sounds like.

00:02:45.340 Right, right. So, I don't teach Chinese canon because I don't... My Chinese is not good enough.

00:02:49.720 But I teach the Western canon. And eventually, I started to teach history as well because I

00:02:55.740 recognized that in China, you can't really teach the Western canon without the context, without

00:03:00.240 teaching Western history. And I started to upload my lectures to YouTube because I wanted to share

00:03:08.840 my ideas with a larger audience. And for the first year, I got 300 subscribers. I was really

00:03:14.400 excited about that. I had great interactions with the audience. And then, a couple months ago,

00:03:21.880 my channel blew up. I'm about over 600,000 subscribers now on YouTube. So, it's been a wild ride.

00:03:29.020 But it's only been the past two, three months. My channel has been getting a lot of attention.

00:03:35.880 And yeah, so that's where we are right now. My channel is called Predator of History. And some

00:03:42.320 of you may know the channel. But the idea is I want to reimagine history, the way it's taught,

00:03:48.320 the way that it's conceived. And so, my biggest concern about history is that it's not analytical.

00:03:55.000 It's not structured. There's too much focus on individuals. There's too much focus on storytelling

00:04:00.360 and not enough on the analysis of structural forces that drive history. And so, my project,

00:04:08.700 it's a huge project, but my project is to reimagine history as a tool for us to better understand

00:04:15.460 humanity as well as to predict the future. So, the goal is to go back and reinterpret history

00:04:22.060 sort of accomplish three goals. The first goal is that we're able to create a coherent story about

00:04:27.120 humanity. Second goal is to help us better understand the present, to explain the present.

00:04:31.400 And the third goal is to give us the tools to predict the future. So, that's what's called

00:04:36.160 predictive history. Yeah.

00:04:37.600 Yes. I've been digesting your content really over the past month, but even especially over the past

00:04:45.000 few days. And I've really enjoyed it. And yeah, I think you've become sort of a Jordan Peterson-like

00:04:51.860 figure. Jordan Peterson was a rather obscure psychologist in Canada, uploading lectures,

00:04:58.320 and it caught on. And I hope that, I hope that the exact same thing happens with you.

00:05:03.780 But I don't want the manic episode, right? I want to avoid the...

00:05:10.640 Well, we would expect you to cry during this interview at some point, just all your emotions.

00:05:17.400 Yeah. That's the way, that's the path to the top.

00:05:19.500 I'll try my best. I'll try my best. But yeah.

00:05:24.140 But okay, let's jump into history because, you know, Henry Ford said history is bunk.

00:05:30.740 History is a slaughter bench. There is so much violence and irrationality, things about history

00:05:37.740 you can't find any meaning in. I think for a lot of people, history is a story, maybe even a moral

00:05:43.300 story. You can learn about George Washington and the cherry tree and become a better person.

00:05:50.640 Hegel, you know, history is reason marching forward and becoming self-conscious of itself or

00:05:57.940 something like that. So there's been, there's been attempts. I would say that for most people,

00:06:04.940 history is detail. Maybe it's wars, diplomats, etc. But I mean, you're, try to help us understand

00:06:17.240 like where you're coming from. Because I mean, is it a sort of deterministic account? Almost,

00:06:23.840 it's not Marxist, of course, but somewhat like Marx, like there's class dynamics that are at play that

00:06:30.880 are pushing us towards this. And scientifically, we can understand it. Or give us a taste of how we

00:06:39.160 could learn from the past and predict the future and better understand, you know, dynamics in the

00:06:45.320 present. Right? Okay. That's a great question. And my answer is going to be long winded. So I

00:06:51.060 apologize in advance. But before I start to teach history, I just spent some time teaching computer

00:06:57.720 science. So I spent quite some time understanding artificial intelligence and how it worked.

00:07:03.960 So, and I became obsessed with how artificial intelligence works. But the idea about artificial

00:07:09.880 artificial intelligence is that you can create a feedback loop, so that the output becomes the

00:07:16.040 input. And what I mean by that is rather than you write the algorithm, rather than you write the code

00:07:21.880 and try to figure out how something happens, what you do is you look at the machine, figure out

00:07:28.280 the variables, the forces that create the outcome. So you train the machine with the outcome,

00:07:35.720 with the results, and the machine just figure out how we got to these results. And that's how

00:07:41.800 artificial intelligence works. So, so my great insight is, well, we do the same thing with history.

00:07:51.480 Because every understanding of history, it is really an analytical model. Right? It's an

00:07:57.720 understanding of how the world works, there are values, there are assumptions, embedded in your model.

00:08:04.040 And because it's an analytical model, it has to be also a predictive model, because you're assuming

00:08:08.920 that, that these values, these assumptions will stay consistent. Right? So, so my argument is this.

00:08:16.920 If history, if a historical understanding is correct, then we can analyze it and create predictions of

00:08:23.720 the future. And these predictions will allow us to validate or negate the model. At the very least,

00:08:30.360 it will allow us to better understand the model, and then to refine the model. So, so I'll give you

00:08:36.120 a an easy example. So if you look at how history is written, the assumption is, it is theological,

00:08:43.400 meaning that we are progressing towards a greater good, or things are improving. And if you just look

00:08:50.360 at what's happening today, clearly, the theological model doesn't work. Because how would you explain

00:08:56.440 all these wars that are raging around the world? How would you explain what's happening in the Middle

00:09:00.920 East? How would you explain all this civil conflict? And I can make my lease in the United States? How

00:09:06.200 would you explain the election of Donald Trump? So I don't think history is theological. So, so, so,

00:09:13.800 I think that the current, the world, how the world's progressing, it sort of negates that theological

00:09:19.880 model. But, but, but, but, so, so, so that's, that's how I think about history.

00:09:24.520 Well, do you, do you think it's the cyclical or, or is that more on your wavelength or?

00:09:33.640 Yeah. So I think it's very important to always keep, to have like different possibilities. So as you,

00:09:41.880 as you mentioned, historically, the debate has always been, is it, is history linear, theological,

00:09:46.680 or is it cyclical? And it just rhymes, it's bound to repeat itself. And I've been working on a new

00:09:56.280 theory recently. And I'll just present to you, but, but, but I warn you that it is a very immature,

00:10:04.840 undeveloped theory. But, but my theory is that history is developed, is, is sort of

00:10:12.120 underpinned by narratives, by sacred stories. And so what history really is, it's about humanity's

00:10:19.880 attempt to achieve certain stories that they believe to be sacred and to be true in itself.

00:10:27.320 And that's what drives societies. That's what drives history. You can, another way of saying this

00:10:37.560 is that history is almost eschatological, right? So you have people obsessed with the second coming

00:10:43.800 of Jesus. And for them, it's like, how do we create the conditions for the return of Jesus?

00:10:52.920 And you can make the argument that that's what's really driving the conflict in the Middle East.

00:10:57.400 You have these Messianic Jews, you have these Christian Zionists who are obsessed with creating 1.00

00:11:06.920 World War Three because in their minds that will compel the return of Jesus to restore peace in

00:11:14.920 the world and create them as any millennium. Okay. That's, that's what they think. And so my argument

00:11:19.640 is that it's that perception is reality. Belief is reality. So if enough people in power believe

00:11:27.720 something, they can make it real. And that's what drives history. It's narrative that creates reality.

00:11:33.240 It's stories that create the world we live in today. Well, and mind before matter, which is

00:11:39.960 something you talked about in your, your lectures on the development of polytheism to monotheism,

00:11:45.560 et cetera. We, we do seem to assume that, you know, there's a brain, a clump of gray matter and

00:11:52.120 cells and so on. And, and, and a mind develops from that. The ancients thought something very different.

00:11:58.600 And I, and as an analogy, you, you could think about that in terms of world history, that there's

00:12:05.800 some great story that is being retold over and over again. We're, we're telling it to ourselves.

00:12:12.600 And that story is informing in ways we can't fully understand, maybe unconsciously our decisions and

00:12:21.080 actions. And sometimes even, even consciously, I mean, there, there's no doubt that, you know, we,

00:12:27.800 you can look back to the middle ages and see a great deal of stasis. Nothing much happened at least.

00:12:36.600 Oh, I shouldn't say that. Of course, many things happened, but nothing much changed there. There

00:12:41.080 wasn't a sense of development in people's minds. And maybe that had something to do with the fact that

00:12:46.840 this world is just a, a waiting room that this world doesn't matter. Your, your best life is later

00:12:54.760 on. So there's really, you can build monuments pointing upwards towards, towards God, but there's

00:13:02.040 no real reason to develop anything right now, because this is, we're going to shuffle off this mortal coil and,

00:13:08.920 um, and, um, and live an eternity with God. And so there's no reason to develop. Um, I mean, I'm,

00:13:15.720 I'm also thinking here of, um, political theology in which we could define as the, um,

00:13:22.520 every political ideology, um, attempt at legitimacy is a secularization of an earlier religion. And so

00:13:32.360 there is something deeply Christian to the modern world. And, and, and obviously people were more

00:13:41.480 since perhaps sincere Christians in the middle ages, but we've in a way attempted to actualize it

00:13:48.440 in modernity in the sense that we're pushing towards heaven on earth. Um, we're, we're pushing

00:13:56.440 towards a new, a humanity, uh, et cetera. And you, you can obviously see that in, um, revolutionary

00:14:04.040 movements, the French revolution, the American revolution, even, um, certainly in the development

00:14:09.160 of communism. Um, we are it, we're going to, this whole slaughter bench of history is going to end

00:14:15.800 with us and, uh, and, and, and there's a deep Christian core to that type of thinking.

00:14:24.280 And so once that thinking is embedded in a mind, then historical actors, whether they be politicians

00:14:31.960 or warriors or scientists are going to conform to that, that idea. Um, and, and so it's a sort

00:14:40.360 of explanation of human action. There's, there's a narrative behind it. It's, it's not all just

00:14:45.480 individual will and rationality that we're trying to fulfill something that that's been in our brains

00:14:53.240 since we were children. We're trying to fulfill that in this world.

00:14:58.840 Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, that's, um, I mean, um, I mean, that's exactly right. Um, I,

00:15:05.160 I think the, the major phrase that resonates is heaven on earth. And, um, I think that's a major break

00:15:12.440 from the past where, where, where, where, as you say before, um, we always assumed that this was just

00:15:19.480 a stop on our, on a, on a journey, an internal journey through the heavens. And we're here to, um,

00:15:26.360 experience certain things we could not experience, um, up in the heavens, because here we have

00:15:30.840 corporal bodies, we're physical, but up there we are spiritual. Um, so, so this, this is a place,

00:15:37.320 it's part of the journey, but it's not the end of the, of the journey. Um, and everything we do here

00:15:43.000 is prepare ourselves for the journey up there, which, which is what really matters. And as you say,

00:15:48.680 um, this past hundred years, I mean, it really beat with the beginning of modernity, right? Uh,

00:15:53.720 with Freud and with Einstein and with Virginia Woolf, James Joyce, our mindset has changed so that we

00:16:00.280 believe that we are, we are heaven and we can create heaven on earth. And that's, that's really an

00:16:05.320 entire project of Western civilization of modernity today to use science, um, to use psychology,

00:16:13.400 to use economics, to create a paradise on, on earth. And on one hand, you know, that's,

00:16:19.560 that's, that's, that's extremely idealistic. But on the other hand, it's also very scary because

00:16:24.520 you can argue that, um, we're playing God. And so you see the rise of artificial intelligence,

00:16:31.080 you see the rise of eugenics, you see, um, I mean, um, communism, right? I mean, like, 0.58

00:16:38.120 these are all attempts to create heaven on earth. Um, but, but the underlying assumption is that we can

00:16:43.480 be God and any Christian will tell you that that that's actually very dangerous to, to, to think. 0.98

00:16:50.360 Yeah, absolutely. Um, do you think maybe, maybe so much of the disappointment and heartache

00:16:58.760 that we, we see in everyday life? No, no one's happy. And I'm speaking as an American. Um, you can

00:17:05.640 talk to people on the left, uh, on the right, the, the left will love that Luigi Mangione shot that, 0.98

00:17:13.080 that bastard who had too much money and was keeping healthcare from the people. Uh, the right are, are in 0.95

00:17:20.280 a sort of state of paranoia in, in many ways about, uh, the deep state and, and the government and

00:17:27.000 people trying to turn them transsexual and, and so on there, there, there's a general

00:17:32.280 unhappiness. And I, I was wondering if that had something to do with the fact that we've sort of

00:17:39.240 lost a story, the story of the 20th century. We, we don't quite have it anymore. We don't have that

00:17:45.400 utopia that we're pushing towards. And let me just throw out one example that that's more concrete.

00:17:51.560 Um, Brezhnev, the, um, the premier of the Soviet Union gave a speech at one point in the 19th,

00:17:57.720 I believe in the late seventies. And he said something to the effect, well, Karl, Karl Marx

00:18:04.040 wasn't about fairy tales. He was a scientist. And so we're not quite yet at communism. We're still in

00:18:10.920 the socialist stage, but we're, you know, through bureaucratic excellence, moving step by step in that

00:18:16.520 direction. And within 15 years, the whole thing came crashing down. And I think maybe he, he got it

00:18:26.040 wrong in the sense that Karl Marx is a fairy tale. Actually, at some point, he is telling you a story

00:18:33.480 about the past and this amazing world to come that actually inspires you to sacrifice and to,

00:18:41.640 you know, look to the stars and imagine a new world. And the moment the Soviet Union lost that

00:18:49.320 was the moment that it started to actually come crashing down. And I, I think there's a lot of

00:18:56.520 similarities in the United States with Brezhnev as, as Joe Biden, these, these old men in charge of this

00:19:03.640 thing. They're sort of calling back to the past, calling back to the cold war, but they're not really

00:19:09.960 looking ahead. And so I, I guess what I'm, what I'm getting at is, is maybe like that, that loss of

00:19:18.520 that utopian desire might really be at the heart of the disappointment that, that we see everywhere.

00:19:27.960 It's you, you'll see it in your neighbors. You'll see it on far leftists. You'll see it on conservative

00:19:32.360 activists, activists. They, they all seem to agree that it hasn't worked out, that it's getting worse and that

00:19:38.280 it's not headed anywhere. Yeah. Um, I completely agree. So, um, I'll give you a counter example

00:19:45.560 to what's happening in the West world. You look at the Houthis in Yemen. Okay. Uh, these are people 0.85

00:19:51.480 in poor all their lives. They have no access to technology. Um, they might have some ballistic

00:19:56.760 missiles from Iran, but I mean, like there's still a pretty low technology society. They're very,

00:20:02.120 they're very poor. Um, but I guarantee you that the people, the Houthis in Yemen, they're probably 0.99

00:20:08.280 happier. Um, they're a lot, a lot happier than, uh, Americans. Um, and, and there are certain reasons 0.79

00:20:15.080 why. I mean, first of all, they're extremely spiritual people, right? I mean, like, like they

00:20:20.040 are, I mean, they are Shias. They, I mean, they really believe in their religion. There's a unifying

00:20:25.800 story. There's a unified mythology to the society. That's the first point. The second point is that

00:20:31.320 they're living for higher purpose. Um, they, I don't think they're being political or manipulative

00:20:38.360 or calculating when they say that they care about what's happening in Gaza and they will not stop,

00:20:43.880 um, until Israel stops what's happening in Gaza. I think they're being extremely sincere.

00:20:50.760 And the third thing is, you know, death gives me war and death gives meaning to people. Um,

00:20:57.720 you know, we, you know, America, Western society has, has created a society that fears death,

00:21:02.520 that thinks that death is the worst thing that can happen to you. And as a result, people aren't

00:21:07.480 taking risks. People are, don't have the freedom, the liberty to, to, to, they don't have agency

00:21:13.000 anymore. And I, I don't, so I think that if you don't have community, you don't have purpose,

00:21:17.400 you don't have agency, it's very hard to live a happy, creative and meaningful life. And, and,

00:21:24.200 and that's the fundamental issue facing not just America, but all of Western society today.

00:21:29.880 Um, yes, absolutely. So let's, let's talk about the Middle East here because it's,

00:21:39.160 it's not just a region of the world and it's also not just a region of world in which there

00:21:44.920 are immense stores of petroleum. Those are obviously important things. Uh, but it's also the Holy Land.

00:21:52.680 It's the story told in the Torah, uh, about a small people, uh, escaping persecution under Pharaoh

00:22:01.960 and living in the wilderness and then ultimately marching into Canaan, establishing a kingdom at

00:22:10.200 some point and go and going through all sorts of adventures and ups and downs, uh, along the way.

00:22:16.120 So it, it has theological importance. I mean, even with someone, you know, who's in the news now,

00:22:22.360 Charlie Kirk, they, they would, you know, say, uh, what are, what are your thoughts on Israel?

00:22:27.160 And so on, he's like, well, you know, gosh, I feel like there's a lot of violence and ethnic 1.00

00:22:31.640 cleansing, but just keep in mind, this is where Jesus walked on water and raised people from the

00:22:36.440 dead and turned water into wine. It had this emotional contact with him. And, and, and thus,

00:22:42.920 I don't think he could have, he could ever give it up, um, because it's, it's on that level of his

00:22:49.960 being. Um, but, but how do we understand? Because I mean, you, you look at the Middle East now,

00:22:57.560 it's blood and guts. Uh, obviously Israel is engaging in an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

00:23:04.920 Um, there are tons of machinations going on and et cetera. It looks chaotic. Um, but how do we

00:23:13.960 understand it in, in terms of a story of, uh, from the Bible, um, or, uh, or, or theology?

00:23:23.400 Yeah. So, um, Jerusalem has been at the heart of human history for a long, long time. Um, and, um,

00:23:32.440 there are many reasons why, right? So, so you mentioned the eschatological, theological,

00:23:36.840 religious element. Okay. And we'll, we'll talk about that later on, but we also, we also remember

00:23:41.240 that throughout human history, this region, the Levant was really the center, the epicenter

00:23:47.160 of global trade. I mean, if you want to go from Egypt to Anatolia, to Mesopotamia, to Europe,

00:23:53.880 you had to go through the Levant. So, uh, the Levant was always contested territory. And, you know,

00:23:59.240 back in, in those days, whoever controlled the trade routes, what, what, what was the,

00:24:02.680 was the empire of that day. And, and that's why, um, Israel has featured prominently throughout

00:24:08.600 human history. And, and that's why, you know, if you are an Israelite, you really did believe 0.52

00:24:13.640 that you were center of the world because everyone was trying to grab your, your, your territory.

00:24:19.480 Um, and as you say today, now, now there's all this oil in the Middle East. So, so you,

00:24:25.000 you make the argument that from a historical perspective, the Levant really is the center of the

00:24:28.840 world. Um, certainly what happens to Levant is what drives human history. Um, so, but to answer 0.61

00:24:35.080 your question, like, like, like, if you talk about the eschatological elements, um, people believe

00:24:42.120 that Jerusalem is the holy city. And I'm not sure if you've been to Jerusalem. Um, I I've been to

00:24:46.680 Jerusalem for one day and it is really, um, the most beautiful, the most sacred, the most holy city in

00:24:53.880 the world. I mean, I mean, like you just walk the city, you can feel all that holy energy. I mean,

00:25:00.120 I mean, it really is, uh, and a deeply spiritual experience. If you're open to that sort of thing,

00:25:05.000 and just walk the streets of Jerusalem, and it's a really, really small place. It's really cramped,

00:25:09.480 but the sort of like religious devotion, the religious energy in that small area, it's just immense,

00:25:16.120 right? It's a meeting place of many different religions. Um, you have the, the,

00:25:20.600 uh, you have the church of the Holy Sepulchre. You have, you have, of course, the, um, the Western

00:25:26.520 Wall. Um, so, so it, so from religious perspective, it's really the epicenter of the world. So I think

00:25:32.680 it's natural for people to believe that this is where history began and this is where history will

00:25:36.360 end, right? Like, and history ends with the second coming of Jesus. And that's what people are praying

00:25:43.800 for. And what's really important for us to understand is it's not just the Jewish faith. It's

00:25:48.600 many faiths. You have the Islamic faith who believe that Judaism will be, um, the second, 0.56

00:25:53.720 will, will, will, will be the end of the world. You have the Orthodox, you have the Catholic, 1.00

00:25:57.800 you have, um, all these different faiths, um, that, that all converge on Judaism. And so, um,

00:26:06.920 you know, my, my thesis is that narrative drives history. And because the second coming is such a

00:26:11.000 powerful narrative, people are drawn to that place, but, but not only are they drawn to that place,

00:26:16.760 but they feel compelled by that they're compelled by their faith to act out their belief.

00:26:21.880 And that story is very, very compelling, like a world war in which Israel stands up against the

00:26:28.840 entire world. Um, the war of Gog and Magog, uh, Armageddon, and this will lead to the 0.99

00:26:34.920 fascinating age with Jesus returns. I mean, if you just like, like what, like I'm not a religious

00:26:39.480 person, but, but I did say the literature and I can tell you that just from a

00:26:42.920 literary perspective, it's a beautiful, moving, compelling story that drop, that compels people

00:26:49.240 into action. It's very inspiring. Um, and it's really the most powerful story in the world that

00:26:54.120 like for our actions, for our sacrifice, we can achieve heaven on earth. We can achieve the

00:26:59.080 messianic age. And if you just act out the script, then everything will be fine. I, I, I mean, it, it 0.76

00:27:07.560 really is the greatest drama. It really is the greatest movie and you can be a participant in it.

00:27:11.560 And, and, and, and, and, and so, so I think that's, that, that's what's going on in the Middle 1.00

00:27:16.520 East. And so if this theory is correct, then, then we go, then we make certain predictions about

00:27:22.680 what will happen in the Middle East. Well, first of all, what's happening in Gaza, um,

00:27:28.360 it's certainly part of the eschatology, um, right? Because what's happening in Gaza, it's really,

00:27:34.840 I mean, driving the world against Israel. I mean, like, like if you just say normal human being 0.99

00:27:38.680 and you see what Israel is doing in Gaza, you can't be, you can't feel, um, but you

00:27:43.080 can't feel, but be disgusted and, and contemptuous of what's happening. So that's, that's number

00:27:48.040 one. I think that what's happening in Gaza will over the next few months speed up. I, I know it's,

00:27:52.840 what's happening is terrible. It's terrible right now, but they can do so much worse. And,

00:27:57.400 you know, they can outright seize the territory for one thing. Yeah. And that's what they're doing.

00:28:02.360 Um, you know, and I, I think they cut off internet access. So the world does not really know what's

00:28:07.480 going on there anymore. Um, they, they've launched a massive offensive in Gaza and

00:28:13.000 now he has come on and said that we need to be Sparta, you know, we need to come together as a

00:28:16.680 military society to achieve the prophecy. Okay. So I think what's happening in Gaza will just speed up 0.75

00:28:21.720 over the next few months. Okay. That's number one. Number two is, and I think number two is what's,

00:28:27.400 what's going to shock the world is eventually they will destroy the outside mosque, uh, because 1.00

00:28:33.320 that's, that's part of the eschatology. And, and, and, and so, I mean, like, like, like, so the thing

00:28:39.960 about religion is astrology and numerology really matter. So they have a date. Okay. They, they, they

00:28:46.040 know exactly when they will do this. Um, all the preparations are in place, but because I don't

00:28:50.840 have access to their, um, numerology. I mean, like, so, so, so it's, um, I, I, um, it's probably

00:28:57.160 the Kabbalah, you know, they, they have this numerology, astrology. So, so they have, they

00:29:01.320 have these people who spent years figuring out the exact date to destroy the outside mosque,

00:29:05.480 because, because that's because that, that is the most, uh, opportune or the most heavenly,

00:29:11.240 the most divine time. So they have that date. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what it is.

00:29:15.640 I'm sure that if you have some expertise in the Kabbalah, um, and you do some digging,

00:29:19.160 you can figure out that date, but they have that date and they will destroy that outside mosque 0.97

00:29:22.600 and it'll come out of nowhere. I mean, it might just be a rocket come out of nowhere and blow that thing up.

00:29:26.760 Um, I, I don't, I don't know how they'll do it, but it's going to shock the world. And that's the

00:29:29.720 intention to shock the world. Um, so I, I think that that, and I think it will be happy. It will

00:29:35.320 happen really quickly because they have the red heifer in place. So I'm not sure if you know much

00:29:39.320 about. Yes. No, I do. Yes. Yeah. So they have the red heifer. Right. And, and, and like, like they

00:29:45.560 have, I think a one or two year timeframe in order to actually sacrifice the red heifer to consecrate

00:29:50.440 the third temple. So it's going to happen within the next, next two years. Well, according to this

00:29:54.600 fellow on Tim pool, the red heifer has been sacrificed. In fact, I don't know if you saw

00:30:00.520 that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Make of it what you will. Um, yes, this, this person named King who's,

00:30:09.880 who's well-connected on the right wing and he's a super Jew of, of some kind. Uh, he announced 0.97

00:30:16.600 that the red heifer actually had been ritualistically sacrificed. Uh, yeah. Adam King is his name. Uh,

00:30:23.480 and so this is happening now. He announced that on Tim pool show. I mean, make of that

00:30:28.760 what you will, maybe he's a dreamer, but, uh, clearly something is happening. This isn't just some,

00:30:36.200 uh, biblical story that this is something that they're directly pursuing. And let, let me get

00:30:43.480 also to, to, to something just to, um, to, to put some emphasis on this notion of being hated. So

00:30:52.760 Jews are well accustomed to being hated. If you look at the stories that they tell of themselves, 0.95

00:31:02.520 uh, there is always a Pharaoh somewhere who is going to oppress them, enslave them, and not let them

00:31:09.080 leave. And that could be, uh, a rather benign Pharaoh, like the wasp establishment. That could 0.72

00:31:15.960 be a terrible Pharaoh like Hitler, uh, that, that could be, um, 19th century antisemitism and forcing 0.66

00:31:23.880 them to get us, et cetera, et cetera. There's, there's always a story of persecution and the

00:31:28.920 stories throughout the Bible. Now, obviously there's David's kingdom. There's, there's triumph and

00:31:33.960 Canaan, but Genesis, um, most all of Exodus, it's, it's about persecution. They're used to it.

00:31:41.800 Their identity is based in part into a large part on being hated. So in, in some ways, I think what I'm

00:31:51.960 hearing here is that first off, they're used to it. Second off, they might want to gin it up.

00:31:59.480 They, they're okay with being hated. They're okay with being, with having the world turn on them.

00:32:05.400 And that in fact is a great source of identity. If there's anti-Semitism, you know, Mumdami in New

00:32:11.800 York city mayor, I'm not sure how anti-Semitic that guy is, but at least the story is you've got to flee,

00:32:18.120 you've got to get out of there, come to Israel. You know, America Trump, Donald Trump's the new

00:32:22.280 Hitler, come to Israel. There's so much of their identity, um, works through that type of dynamic. 0.82

00:32:28.600 And so doing something as shocking as, as destroying this mosque in Jerusalem, 0.76

00:32:35.080 it's, it's part of the game plan.

00:32:37.320 Yeah. I, I mean, I mean, again, I think that if you just dabble in the Kabbalah, if you study a bit

00:32:44.360 of numerology, um, you, you will discover like it's, it's always been part of the plan to blow,

00:32:49.080 to blow that thing up, but, but, but, you know, it has to be blown up at a certain time. Um, I'm

00:32:54.520 very skeptical that they've sacrificed a red heifer because they would sacrifice a red heifer in order

00:32:58.440 to consecrate the third temple. So you first need to destroy that mask. And then you need to consecrate

00:33:03.560 that, that the land, that, that the territory, so the priest can go in and build that, that their

00:33:07.000 temple. I mean, it's, they're very specific. I mean, they're really ritualistic. They have all things

00:33:10.840 exactly for, for, for, they have to think exactly that part of the, part of the religion.

00:33:16.280 I mean, it's a very priestly religion. Uh, they're extremely ritualistic. They're extremely, uh,

00:33:20.760 obsessive compulsive. So I don't think they, they, they sacrificed it. Um, they, they would not screw up

00:33:25.720 the timeline like that, but your larger point about, you know, Jews and creating hatred in order to 0.59

00:33:32.440 create a sort of like ethnic identity for themselves. Um, so I'm not sure how much you know about, uh,

00:33:38.840 Jewish history, but, but, but, but I'll give you my overall framework of how I understand Jewish history.

00:33:44.760 So, I mean, obviously the golden age for the Jews was the King of David. And at that time in history, 0.88

00:33:51.320 and we're talking like maybe 1000 BC, um, um, uh, BCE, um, this is, this is after the Bronze Age collapse.

00:33:59.480 Mm-hmm. Um, Israel, um, as a nation, um, as a people, and as depicted in the Bible, it's, it's, it's,

00:34:07.240 it's wealthy, it's open, it's cosmopolitan. And if you actually look at the history, it was also

00:34:11.960 polytheistic. Um, monotheism is something that comes after the Babylon exile. But at that point,

00:34:16.920 it was an extremely open, polytheistic, welcome society. But over time, because the Lavan is such 0.73

00:34:23.880 contested territory, um, more and more empires start to invade, um, Israel and carved up, uh,

00:34:31.720 Israel in different territories. You had the, um, Assyrians, you had the Babylon, the Babylonians. Um, 0.57

00:34:39.240 and, and ultimately it led to the Babylon exile. And, and that's what, and that's where most scholars

00:34:44.040 believe the Bible was actually written or most of it was redacted. And so at this point in history,

00:34:49.400 you have these elite who are, who are deprived of their people and their land and their religion,

00:34:55.480 right? Because Jerusalem is the holy city, right? And you're in, you're stuck in Babylon somewhere. 0.90

00:34:59.800 And so they, they now have to, we can see, we imagine a religion in a way that allows them to

00:35:04.200 stay united, um, as a powerless diaspora, um, that, um, that has no access to the God and to the Holy 1.00

00:35:12.600 Land. And, um, you know, with Cyrus the Great, um, the Great Messiah in the Bible, he was, he sent the Jews 0.99

00:35:18.600 back to, uh, Jerusalem to, to build, um, the temple, but it was under Persian patronage. Um,

00:35:26.120 and then after Persians came, um, the Greeks, um, the, the, the, the, the, uh, Ptolemies in Egypt,

00:35:33.320 and then, and the, the, the, uh, Seleucid empire. So throughout most of this history, um,

00:35:39.720 the Jews were tools of empire. And, and so, so what's happening is that they need to constantly 1.00

00:35:46.440 reimagine the religion in a way that saves them, that allows them to stay united, um, against all

00:35:51.880 this oppression. And that's why over time, the religion became much more conservative,

00:35:57.800 much more close-minded and much more fanatical. Um, and then of course you have the rise of

00:36:02.520 Christianity and Christianity was a great threat to the religion because a lot of Jews were absorbed 0.55

00:36:08.120 into the religion. And now you have basically a civil war going on in the Jewish religion. And now,

00:36:13.960 and, and now how, how, how do you maintain your religion under the threat of Christianity?

00:36:19.320 And of course, Islam will rise later. And then, and then you have certain traumatic events, 1.00

00:36:24.440 like the Spanish, um, um, expulsion when, when, when Jews were asked either to convert

00:36:29.880 or to leave Spain and go to Ottoman empire. And what the, and the trauma was most Jews chose to convert.

00:36:36.520 And so throughout history, the Jews had a problem. It's like, how do you stay united? And what they 0.96

00:36:44.280 discovered is the best way to stay united is by creating opposition against the dominant community.

00:36:50.760 Uh, by, by, by doing things, by, um, creating events that, um, create differentiation that,

00:36:57.960 that basically create, cause the larger community to despise you. Um, and, um, and, and if we move

00:37:05.880 fast forward to the modern age, uh, you can argue that Zionism, the creation of Zionism,

00:37:09.880 it's fueled by antisemitism because, you know, at the end of the 20th century,

00:37:15.080 sorry, at the end of the 19th century, when Theodore Herzl wrote, uh, wrote his book, right?

00:37:19.640 That, that began Zionism. Like, like everyone thought he was crazy. Like Jews didn't, were happy 0.98

00:37:25.080 in Europe. They were happy in Britain. They're happy in America. Why would they want to go to a desert

00:37:29.320 in Israel? Like, like at that time in history, um, this was around 1900, only about 3% of Jews even

00:37:35.160 considered moving back to the Holy Land. Okay. Only 3%. And they're considering this. They're

00:37:40.440 actually doing this, right? So, so, so, so now you have a problem. Like, like how do you

00:37:45.320 get these Jews to go back to Israel? Because about Israel, because you don't have Jews going back to 0.99

00:37:50.360 Israel, then the, the Israel project doesn't really work. You cannot reconstitute the Holy Land. 0.90

00:37:55.800 And so you, you make the argument that at that time, they developed certain strategies that would

00:38:01.400 ignite antisemitism in around the world in order to force Jews to, uh, uh, return to Jerusalem. And, and,

00:38:10.120 and, and this is not a conspiracy theory. Okay. There's a Jewish historian in Israel,

00:38:13.960 Israeli historian, Ellen Pape, who's written many books that's discussing the rise of Zionism and how

00:38:20.280 it's fueled by terrorist acts, um, against Jewish people that were false flags. Um, this happened in

00:38:27.240 Baghdad where, where there's a very vibrant, uh, Jewish community and they were happy in Baghdad. Okay.

00:38:32.440 But then you had certain, um, terrorist activities that forced them to, to leave, um, um,

00:38:39.480 Baghdad and return to Jerusalem. And, and, and I mean, and I mean, and then Papi will go as far as

00:38:45.160 to say that there was certain collaboration between Zionists and the Nazis during war two,

00:38:50.120 because the Nazis wanted to remove Jews from Germany and the Zionists wanted the Jews to return

00:38:54.920 to, to, to Jerusalem. So it makes sense that they would collaborate in, in, in certain capacities.

00:38:59.800 Right. Yes. And there's a Herzl attempted to win over Wilhelm II, I believe. And yeah, 0.93

00:39:06.200 yeah. And yeah, I think he said the famous quote of anti-Semites will be our best friends 0.94

00:39:10.680 in a way because our, our, uh, you know, interests are aligned. Um, but this project,

00:39:17.880 which is still under 80 years, I mean, modern Israel, they brag about being a text besides the 0.92

00:39:27.800 Silicon Valley of the Middle East. It's a modern democracy surrounded by theocracies. They've, 0.93

00:39:33.400 they've sort of sold themselves as secular, but as you're saying, embedded in that is a grander

00:39:42.840 biblical Jewish project of bringing about the Messiah, I guess, in their minds for the first time.

00:39:50.680 Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, like most societies, I mean, Israel is suffering from an identity crisis.

00:39:56.520 So as you say, um, there are places like Tel Aviv that is very open, very liberal,

00:40:01.160 very cosmopolitan that that's really where, uh, the tech sector is based and, um, you know,

00:40:07.320 they're very aligned with reformed Jews in America. So they're very liberal orientation and they see

00:40:12.360 not in Yahoo as really Satan. I mean, um, but these past 10 years, it's really these extremist Jews. 1.00

00:40:19.720 Um, and many of them are, uh, 17 Frankis. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the ideas of, um,

00:40:28.040 uh, Sabbatai Zevi and, uh, Jacob Frank. Um, but they really believe that through transgression,

00:40:36.520 through committing evil, through, um, doing sin, you can accelerate biblical prophecy and create

00:40:44.280 them as an age. Um, and, and these figures are very dominant in issue, but they're also very

00:40:52.280 dominant, um, in America and around the world. Um, so I'm not, I'm not sure. Uh, but if you're

00:40:58.920 interested, it's very important that, um, you study Zepatai Zevi and Jacob Frank, um, their, their,

00:41:04.920 their philosophy, because, um, their big philosophy is redemption through sin, that by creating even a

00:41:09.960 world, you can actually, um, create the conditions for a better world. And, and, and, and, and, and so

00:41:16.760 these are, uh, extremists embedded within the cabinet that want to drive the, um, the end times.

00:41:25.160 So it's possible you have a million Israelis who are liberal, who are open-minded, but you only need 0.98

00:41:31.320 about 10 to who are in position of power and who are completely aligned in trying to achieve

00:41:38.520 eschatology. Those 10 can cause a lot of damage. And I think it was 10 people, a very small minority

00:41:46.440 people that's driving Israeli policy right now. Now, a lot of the reason why is because they have

00:41:51.640 the mass support of Christian Zionists in the United States, as well as in Britain and around the world.

00:41:58.040 Mm-hmm. Well, also just, uh, you know, a data point here. So right now, actually, Peter Thiel,

00:42:06.440 who is a Silicon Valley master of the universe is giving a lecture series on the Antichrist.

00:42:12.760 This is something that he referenced in some major interviews. He did one with the New York

00:42:19.080 Times and, and others. He, he seems to associate the Antichrist with, uh, Greta Thunberg of all people,

00:42:28.040 uh, who's going to force us all to live in a eco-fascist village or, or something like that,

00:42:34.920 that she's going to promise us safety and security, but also identity. So it's, it's,

00:42:39.240 it's Greta is the Antichrist. I don't think it's any coincidence that Greta also, as we speak,

00:42:46.760 is, uh, on a flotilla or is, is traveling to Gaza and has been maybe the most famous outspoken critic

00:42:56.520 against Netanyahu, uh, and, uh, and such. I, I think those, those ideas rhyme together. Um,

00:43:04.840 now most of Thiel's critics would say that he's the Antichrist because he sort of fits the image

00:43:09.880 and he's bringing on the surveillance state and, and, and so on. And I, I sort of understand where

00:43:15.800 they're coming from with that, but, but how does the, how does that idea of the Antichrist,

00:43:21.880 the anti-messiah, false messiah fit into this story? Yeah. So, um, the Antichrist,

00:43:31.160 it's a very important concept in eschatology and they're different there. And so, um, the first

00:43:37.320 thing to understand about the Antichrist is if you look at different eschatologies, whether it's

00:43:40.840 Orthodox or Christian or Jewish, it's not a person, it's actually different people. Um, so, so it's 1.00

00:43:50.280 possible, like you will have different Antichrists emerge, um, over time. Okay. That's the first thing.

00:43:57.480 Second thing is that, um, it's not really who the Antichrist is, it's what he does,

00:44:03.720 right? Because the idea of the Antichrist is that he creates a unified government that brings about

00:44:10.040 the surveillance state, the mark of the beast, they call it, right? Like, like the mark of the beast,

00:44:13.800 you can interpret as possibly a social security number, um, but also a microchip in your, in your,

00:44:19.560 in your head or, or, or whatever, but, but something that marks you for, for life and allows the

00:44:25.720 surveillance state to, to control you. Um, different people have interpreted the Antichrist to mean the

00:44:31.720 United Nations to create a, a, a world government. Um, so, but, but, but whatever the eschatology,

00:44:38.040 uh, what they say is the Antichrist has to come first before the Mexican age. Um, and so it would 1.00

00:44:43.960 make sense, like the focus is not on the Antichrist because once, once you create the Antichrist,

00:44:48.120 then you create the conditions for the Mexican age. So what's really important for us to remember 1.00

00:44:53.480 is that there's a script in place. And so we can actually predict how they'll behave because for

00:44:58.600 them, it's really important that you follow the script to the letter. Uh, you know, they're just

00:45:02.520 actors. God is, is the director. They're just actors and they have to act out the script

00:45:06.600 precisely in order to create the conditions for the Mexican age, the, the millennium, they call it, 0.81

00:45:12.280 heaven on earth, on earth basically. Um, so I'm sorry about being vague, but the Antichrist is

00:45:18.600 interpreted differently in different eschatologies. Well, uh, you know, when we think of the, the

00:45:24.120 Antichrist as well, I was, uh, have you ever looked into the work of, uh, Joachim or Joachim de Fiore?

00:45:30.920 Um, he's, he's, he's a, okay, well, I'll, I'll, I'll set it up. Um, regardless, it's 12th and 13th

00:45:38.840 century monk. And he, in many ways brought about the idea of not just a sort of linear progression

00:45:49.080 in history, but a, a dispensation. And so there's the age that is depicted in the old Testament, um,

00:45:59.000 that is the age of the father and it's harsh, brutal, there's death, there's punishment,

00:46:06.200 there's destroying the world and so on. And there's the age of the son that is Jesus coming. And it's,

00:46:14.840 it, it is about a sacrifice of the son in order to wash away the tears of that earlier age.

00:46:23.480 And he was a, again, he was a, you know, 12th, 13th century. So he was sort of living a thousand

00:46:30.440 years after Jesus, um, you know, right smack dab in, in the high middle ages, I guess. And he saw

00:46:37.560 even figures like Frederick II in, uh, from the Holy Roman empire, this German, uh, uh, king as a kind of

00:46:45.240 anti-Christ figure. He was, uh, usurping the Pope, uh, going to the Holy family. He was,

00:46:51.880 I don't know that maybe the Trump of his age or Hitler, I don't know exactly. But what he thought

00:46:59.160 is that a figure like that, who's challenging all authority is necessary to bring on the third age, 0.76

00:47:06.600 which he viewed as the age of the Holy spirit. And it was, you know, in a weird way, and perhaps I'm

00:47:14.920 projecting a reading on here, but you know, in a funny way, it was, it was almost a time without

00:47:19.720 God because you know, the age of the father is past the patriarchy, the age of Jesus, when we were

00:47:26.600 redeemed through suffering and sacrifice, that's also past. And now we're in an age of a Holy of the Holy

00:47:33.000 Spirit in which the world will become a giant monastery. And we, we, we're going to spend all

00:47:41.400 of our lives helping one another. You could say it's a giant hospital. That's actually Nietzsche

00:47:46.600 had a caustic line of socialism, a liberalism. You want to create a gigantic hospital where we're all

00:47:53.240 sick and we're just taking care of one another. Obviously he didn't want anything like that,

00:47:57.080 but that's sort of what he's describing. He's basically describing communism. I mean,

00:48:01.720 the monastery is a communistic ideal. There's no competition there. There, there's no antagonism.

00:48:09.000 There's, there's helping and sharing. And, and, and so he, he was sort of the,

00:48:14.760 I guess you could almost weirdly say the first Marxist or that the first progressive, the first

00:48:20.920 liberal in a way. And, and it shows how deep these ideas are. This notion of dispensationalism,

00:48:28.120 we think it comes from the Schofield Bible or something. It's very deep. Um, and, and the

00:48:33.240 notion of a pro a progress towards an end of history and an end of suffering, that's really

00:48:39.080 deep in Western history. That's not just some new idea. It's, it's embedded within us like a Russian

00:48:45.400 nesting doll. Um, but I guess what I was saying is that, you know, the, the, there has to be an

00:48:51.080 anti-Christ figure for this to happen. You, you have to sort of go through the night before there's

00:48:56.520 a dawn. There has to be some antagonistic man of sin who is opposed to Christ and in order for the

00:49:05.480 Christ to arise. And, and so again, I think this sort of, you know, creating hatred, creating the

00:49:14.200 problems so that you can have the solution. This also goes way back.

00:49:17.720 Yeah, no, you're exactly right. Um, so yeah, as you say, the Schofield Bible, um,

00:49:24.440 I mean, historians will tell you the Schofield Bible is what started the Christian Zionism in 0.97

00:49:28.280 the United States, but you actually look at the history of Zionism. It actually started in England

00:49:33.480 and it was the secret societies, pre-Masonry that actually brought Christian Zionism into,

00:49:37.720 uh, America. And someone even argued that Christian Zionism was embedded in, um, in,

00:49:45.080 in the founding of America. I mean, like, like, that's really why America rebelled again,

00:49:48.760 against Britain in order to quit a theocracy in, in, in, in order to achieve, um, Christian Zionism. 0.83

00:49:54.760 So Christian Zionism goes way back. 0.64

00:49:56.360 The New Jerusalem. Yeah, as they described it, the city on the hill.

00:49:58.920 Yeah. That's right. Exactly. Um, so, so all this goes way, way back. Um,

00:50:05.880 um, and Schofield Bible, I mean, you can also argue it was a psyop, right? The British 1.00

00:50:12.760 created the Schofield Bible in order to spread Christian Zionism to the public, because Christian 0.90

00:50:17.640 Zionism was embedded in, in these secret societies, but, but now you need to popularize

00:50:21.640 the Christian Zionism. I mean, you did it for the Schofield Bible. Um, so, so you can argue, 0.95

00:50:26.680 like, they've been doing this for centuries. Like there are these hidden hands, secret societies that

00:50:30.600 have been doing this for centuries because of this grand plan that, um, they want to achieve.

00:50:36.520 And I think you're absolutely right. Part of this grand plan is to create the Antichrist. Um,

00:50:41.640 I mean, like people say this online and it's, it's the weirdest thing, but Peter Thiel,

00:50:48.040 an anagram of his name is the reptile. And that's like the strange coincidence. Um, but, but,

00:50:53.800 you know, I mean, like, again, I mean, I don't want to go too deep into this, but if you look at

00:50:59.960 the history of the secret societies in America, in Britain, they do plan ahead. And what they often

00:51:05.160 do is they raise children from birth, from the cradle to achieve certain roles in the biblical

00:51:13.240 prophecy. I mean, they, they are that organized. They are that, that evil. They, they will actually

00:51:16.840 take children and, um, and, and basically nurture that child in order to achieve a certain role that

00:51:23.960 they need, that they need to, um, that they need in order to fulfill the script. And I mean, like,

00:51:30.440 if you just look at the world around the world today and you ask yourself, who is most likely to be

00:51:35.320 the Antichrist? Um, I mean, it's Peter Thiel. I mean, I mean, I hate to say this, but I mean,

00:51:41.400 he has all the markings of the Antichrist. I mean, he wants to create a surveillance state for

00:51:46.840 Palantir. Um, he, he wants, he wants, um, a return to theocracy, a world government. I mean,

00:51:55.560 I mean, you have to ask yourself, what drives this guy? Um, when to overcome, overcome the human

00:52:02.840 condition. I mean, he, he, as he said, I mean, that's what he meant by should humanity survive.

00:52:08.200 I don't think he wants us all to, you know, die off from starvation or war or something. I think,

00:52:15.480 I think he wants to overcome the human condition by merging with machines that, you know, we,

00:52:21.400 we became cyborgs when we had artificial hearts and limbs, and we're now connected with computers

00:52:27.800 with our, in our, through our hand, the phone. And, and this is just the beginning of overcoming

00:52:34.840 the mortal coil coil. I think that's exactly how he thinks. So it's a, it's a weird com, you know,

00:52:41.720 any, he compared it where it was very funny because that type of thinking, you know, techno

00:52:48.680 futurism, the singularity, post-humanism, et cetera, you associate that with extreme liberals,

00:52:56.600 perhaps, or atheist, no doubt people who, you know, don't care for gods and church and all that kind of

00:53:04.440 stuff. It's the opposite with Peter Thiel. He, he seems to be, he called himself orthodox in that

00:53:10.520 interview. He seems to, he has this interpretation or kind of skew of the Christian message where

00:53:17.480 with Christianity, we sort of perfect our soul and we're not bogged down by quotidian things. We're,

00:53:26.920 we're kind of moving towards God. And he sees that as a metaphor or, or analogy of moving towards the

00:53:36.200 perfection of the machine of pure logic of artificial intelligence of living forever,

00:53:44.200 uh, et cetera, et cetera. So in some ways, Peter Thiel is the ultimate Christian. I mean,

00:53:52.120 or anti-Christian, you know, I, I, you know, so to speak, he's, he's offering this sort of,

00:53:58.920 he's not countering Christianity or saying it's all bunk and superstition and lies.

00:54:03.160 He's instead saying, no, no, this is the real Christianity. This is what God has in store for 0.91

00:54:09.800 you merging with the machine. Yeah. I mean, I can really agree. I mean, I mean, so, so, so I'll just

00:54:17.880 go over some of his biographic details and like, like, I mean, he was a chess prodigy. I mean, he,

00:54:24.280 I mean, like, like he was fantastic at chess, went to Stanford where we began, where he was mentored by

00:54:29.160 Rene Girard. Um, you know, this very influential French philosopher who was very close with the

00:54:34.440 Catholic church. I mean, I mean, I would be surprised if he has a Jesuit background. If

00:54:39.400 he was part of these secret societies of the Jesuits, um, went to Stanford law school and

00:54:43.080 then he joined PayPal. Now the PayPal mafia, I mean, I mean, like, like, I don't think enough

00:54:47.640 people have focused on the PayPal mafia because we just go back to the founding of the internet.

00:54:52.520 And we could tell you at that time that whoever controlled, um, e-payments, whoever can control

00:54:57.640 commerce on the internet, these people would eventually come to control the internet. So

00:55:02.040 my question then is how did Peter Teal get associated with these people and how did they become one of

00:55:07.400 the top players in these people along with LMS and David Sachs? I mean, I mean, like, like,

00:55:13.160 it seems almost as though they were sacred society onto themselves and that people in power,

00:55:18.200 put them there to achieve certain purposes. Um, but I mean, he was actually, he was either

00:55:23.720 extremely lucky or it was planned from the beginning. And after, um, you know, PayPal,

00:55:30.440 he was an early investor in Facebook and he found a talent here with his college roommate, Alex Karp.

00:55:37.160 And, and, and now he, I mean, he was in early support of Donald Trump. He's now, he was in early

00:55:43.240 support of JD Vance. Um, you can argue like JD Vance career would not have been possible

00:55:47.960 of Peter Thiel. So I mean, this guy, I, I, I, this guy is the most brilliant man in the world.

00:55:54.360 And you actually listen to his interviews. If you actually read his writings, it doesn't,

00:55:56.520 he doesn't come across as the most brilliant man in the world or powerful factions are supporting

00:56:02.600 him. And he's the front man for these powerful factions, which I think is the most, um, likely

00:56:08.840 scenario. And then you ask yourself, what's his plan from birth? Who, who, who is his family?

00:56:14.360 I mean, we have, we know very little about his family and like, like what, why is this happening?

00:56:19.640 Um, why, why does he believe what he does? Because he, he's unique in that Silicon Valley,

00:56:23.960 Silicon Valley, uh, ecosystem. You look something like Jeff Bezos. I mean, like he's a very typical

00:56:29.160 Silicon Valley, Silicon Valley billionaire. Right. I mean, like he, I'm divorced. He's, he's trying to

00:56:34.520 shoot rockets into space, like a phallus symbol. So, so you're going to sort of see like his,

00:56:40.600 like, like, like, you know, he, he's trying to, he's trying to satisfy, satisfy his own ego,

00:56:44.120 his own limitations. Whereas Peter Thiel, clearly he's a man on a mission. I mean, like, and he's

00:56:49.160 written quite, quite a lot about the convergence of theology and, um, artificial intelligence,

00:56:55.800 right? Transhumanism, as you call it. So, so, so it's almost like they have a plan in motion.

00:57:01.880 And, and Peter Thiel is just a puppet put in front of us in order to seduce us into this plan.

00:57:09.960 It's very hard, um, to explain how he got to where he is and why he believes what he does.

00:57:17.240 I mean, he, he's unique. That's ecosystem. Yeah, I, I agree. And it's very interesting because

00:57:23.080 he, he was almost a, about politics before he was about technology. And, you know, it, when he was

00:57:31.080 an undergrad, he actually wrote a book, you know, I think it was called the diversity myth, which was

00:57:36.200 a pretty standard anti DEI kind of stuff. Uh, but you know, interesting that he was doing that.

00:57:42.920 He actually worked with, um, William Bennett for a time, uh, before PayPal actually. So he was

00:57:49.560 already involved with neoconservative politics before he became a billionaire. It was almost like

00:57:56.120 he had the ideas ready to go and he was well connected, but it's the one thing he was missing

00:58:01.640 was a billion dollars. So he had to do a little detour and, um, yeah, even, even the whole PayPal

00:58:08.520 bringing on Musk and, and, and so on there, there, there is something haphazard about it. And I, I don't

00:58:15.640 want to be resentful or try to take anything away from them. But when you look at the company,

00:58:21.560 particularly Musk, um, contributions to PayPal, it, it, it, it does seem dubious to be honest,

00:58:30.840 or at the very least lucky. Um, and it is interesting that both of these figures were

00:58:38.280 chosen if we're, uh, to assume that the, the sort of theological Peter Thiel and, and then also

00:58:45.320 Elon Musk, who is constantly wanting to save the world. Um, you know, when he was a Reddit liberal,

00:58:53.480 he was talking about how, you know, uh, there's a 40% chance that, uh, we can stave off global warming

00:58:59.240 now that we have electric vehicles and so on. And then he sort of moves off that. And, you know,

00:59:04.040 we, we need to desperately elect Donald Trump in order to save America and save free speech that they

00:59:10.120 want to kill you now is what he's saying. So he, they, they both sort of have their,

00:59:13.960 they're different figures, but they, they both sort of have messianic callings. And, and it is

00:59:21.080 interesting to compare them to just sort of a dude like Jeff Bezos, who's just a good businessman and,

00:59:27.240 you know, loves hanging out with chicks, uh, much more understandable than these other figures, 1.00

00:59:33.640 um, who are sort of asexual, both of them in, in different weird ways. Um, but okay, let me, um,

00:59:45.480 let me change the, so do you want to tie up any bows on the Middle East, uh, situation in, in the terms of

00:59:53.720 the immediate future or, uh, you, you actually have a lecture on World War III and, and how, you know,

01:00:02.600 the Middle East, China, even certainly the conflict in Europe over Ukraine, how these pieces might fit

01:00:10.120 together? Yeah. I mean, um, I think World War III will be mainly center in the Levant and Anatolia. Um,

01:00:19.480 that's part of all the eschatology, the biblical prophecy. Um, and so I, I see certain events playing

01:00:26.120 out. I, I see, um, the Israelis, um, basically continuing to do what, what, what, what they do 1.00

01:00:33.560 in Gaza, but, but a much more accelerated pace. Um, I see the Israelis, or, or, I actually, I, I'm not

01:00:42.040 gonna say the Israelis, but, but the, I'll accept mosque will be blown up. Who, why, we won't know, 1.00

01:00:46.360 but it'll be blown up. It will shock to the world, which is the intention. Um, I see, um,

01:00:50.520 I see, um, a continuation of the conflict between Israel and Iran. Um, I see the United States 0.97

01:00:57.000 sending in ground troops, uh, against, um, Iran. Iran will close off the Strait of Homo, 0.70

01:01:02.120 which will, um, just create economic, um, an economic catastrophe all around the world.

01:01:09.320 It's gonna similarly impact the, the Southeast Asian economies of China, uh, Japan, and South

01:01:15.080 Korea. I mean, it's, I mean, it's, it's gonna be a mess. And, but again, it's all part of the plan. 1.00

01:01:21.240 It's all part, part of the script in order to achieve domestic age. Um, and, um, so, so I, I think

01:01:29.320 that's, that's what's, what's gonna happen in the Middle East. Is this going to be the downfall 1.00

01:01:33.880 of the United States in this war? Because I mean, we, we benefited tremendously from the two world

01:01:41.080 wars in the 20th century. And we joined both late, we joined both arguably reluctantly. Um,

01:01:48.760 and, uh, we were on, it was clear which side we were gonna join though, and we were supporting them.

01:01:54.200 But, um, America is a very different country now. It's hard to imagine zoomers strapping on helmets and 1.00

01:02:03.480 going off to Iran to go to war. It's, it's hard to imagine both the left and the right even acting

01:02:10.280 as good soldiers on the home front in a conflict. I, I, I wonder if the next big one is the last one

01:02:19.000 for Uncle Sam. That's the intention actually. Um, so the eschatology requires, um, Israel to achieve the 0.95

01:02:27.560 greater Israel project, uh, basically a Pax Judaica for, for Israel, the dominant power in the Middle 0.57

01:02:34.200 East. And so you need to get rid of the United States somehow, right? You need to remove the

01:02:38.040 United States from the equation because the United States does not figure into, um, this is called

01:02:43.160 eschatology. And the best way to do that is to provoke an American grand invasion of Iran, because 0.70

01:02:50.360 that thing will be so unpopular as to ignite a civil war in the United States, which will,

01:02:56.040 which will destabilize the United States and prevent the United States from, um, interfering

01:03:00.200 in Middle East affairs, right? That, that, that I think is part of the eschatology, because if you look

01:03:04.040 at all the eschatologies, whether it's Orthodox, Catholic, um, Jewish, or Christian, you look at all

01:03:10.280 the eschatologies, the United States will descend into civil war. That's what they all believe.

01:03:14.760 That's what they all say. So, and that's important for what's about to unfold in the Middle East,

01:03:20.680 because the United States is the Pax Americana. It's, it's going to prevent the war from spiraling

01:03:24.760 out of control, but you need the war to spiraling out of control in order to create the conditions

01:03:28.600 for the Mediterranean age. So you need to remove the United States from the equation. The best way to do 0.93

01:03:32.760 that is for the United States to suffer a humiliating defeat in Iran. And then this, this will provoke

01:03:37.560 civil conflict in America. And now America is not, it's no longer part of the equation.

01:03:42.120 Israel is in a golden cage with the United States. We give Israel billions. At the same time, 0.71

01:03:48.680 the American empire constrains Israel. That's exactly right. You know, certainly, I mean, 0.96

01:03:54.520 even Donald Trump constrains Bibi Netanyahu. Uh, surely, uh, uh, Kamala Harris would have, uh, 1.00

01:04:02.600 pushed back on his actions more, much more than Trump, if she were elected and any Democrat would,

01:04:09.480 and many other Republicans would. So it's a sort of golden cage. It's been wonderful

01:04:14.280 for quite some time. They benefited from it, but everything has to come to an end. Um,

01:04:20.280 so let's talk about the end of my country living right now.

01:04:25.880 Well, first off, so what was it like? So you, you moved to Canada to Toronto when you were six,

01:04:32.040 you said, so you don't, I guess it would be hard to remember a whole lot about China before you,

01:04:39.560 you immigrated. Maybe you have flashes, uh, postcard images of, of what China was like. What, what was it?

01:04:47.720 What was it like to be a Chinese immigrant kid in, in Canada? Like, were you,

01:04:54.680 did you feel like you were in paradise or did you maybe feel like you're an outsider or, you know,

01:05:00.920 sort of both? I mean, so, I mean, um, my family was very poor. And so we lived in poor neighborhoods

01:05:10.440 where, um, there was these mixing, mixing of the different ethnicities, but obviously these are not

01:05:15.960 really educated people. They're not cosmopolitan. And so I suffered a lot of, uh, racial abuse when I was

01:05:22.200 younger. Um, and, and that's what sort of compelled me to want to leave Canada and apply to the United

01:05:29.320 States because I wanted to just get out of Canada. It was just, it's just a traumatic, um, experience.

01:05:35.400 Um, but quite honestly, sometimes when I go back to Canada, I still find it, um, traumatic because it

01:05:41.400 will stir up these childhood memories of racial abuse and, and, and all that. But, but, you know,

01:05:48.040 I mean, like at the same time, I'm very thankful, um, uh, for, for Canada because, you know,

01:05:53.400 growing up in the eighties and nineties was really the best time to be alive. Um, nowadays,

01:05:58.360 you're a young person in Canada. It kind of sucks. Um, the country, society has changed a lot, but 0.99

01:06:04.440 in the eighties and the nineties, when I grew up, you were allowed, you were allowed a lot of personal

01:06:08.280 freedom. You could go out and explore the streets. You could, you could take risks. You could fail.

01:06:13.720 I, it was not a big deal. It was all part of the process of growing up, growing up. You know,

01:06:17.320 I took my two kids, uh, two boys back to Canada over the summer. And like, you know, nowadays they

01:06:22.520 expect you as a parent to have your child on a leash, like literally a leash, you know, to, to like,

01:06:27.880 like, like make sure the child is always, always within arm's reach. And, and I was like, but, but,

01:06:33.720 but if I did that, then how will my, how will my child ever learn resilience? How will my child ever learn

01:06:38.760 empathy, independence, uh, you know, risk-taking creativity, I imagination like, like, and, and,

01:06:45.640 and so I was very fortunate to have grown up in the eighties rather than today. So I'm thankful,

01:06:50.040 thankful for, for what Canada provided at the same time. Um, I did suffer a lot of racial abuse

01:06:55.960 while growing up in Canada. I, I, I understand that completely growing up in the late eighties and early

01:07:01.880 nineties. And I, I, I was born in Massachusetts, but I, I moved to, uh, Texas and we would rot during

01:07:08.520 the summer, we would ride our bikes from 9am until 9pm and maybe stop, go, go to mom for lunch

01:07:17.880 and something like that. But yeah, we would, you know, play a baseball game, play a football game,

01:07:23.000 go on an adventure. Someone would get his knee skinned and hurt and so on. But it, you know,

01:07:29.320 again, I, I, I don't want to stereotype here, but it does seem like the zoomers are trapped 1.00

01:07:34.120 on their computer or their phone or their video game console. And this overprotective cocoon they

01:07:41.000 live in where they barely leave their home. Um, yeah, it makes me absolute. I totally agree.

01:07:46.920 Just out of curiosity. Oh, well go on if you want to. Yeah.

01:07:49.960 No, but, but also like the drug, the prevalence of drugs right now,

01:07:55.080 like, like, like if you move in class, okay, because you're bored, because the teacher is boring,

01:07:59.720 you move a bit. Oh, you have ADHD. So you should take ritalin or whatever. And like, like, like,

01:08:05.000 that's the first option. It's never like, maybe the teacher is boring and the kid is bored. And

01:08:10.120 maybe he's a boy. So he likes to move about and maybe you should go outside. Yeah. Yeah. It's not

01:08:15.000 natural for kids to sit inside for eight, nine hours a day. Um, they need to be outside because that's,

01:08:22.040 that's why we have bodies. Right. I mean, like, you know, if I, you know, and, and, and, and so it's,

01:08:27.720 it's, it's, it's just, I mean, it's, it's just crazy. The society that, that, that, that the West has

01:08:34.760 become, I mean, these past 10 years, I don't want to bring up bad feelings or anything, but you said

01:08:42.120 you suffered a lot of racial abuse as a, as an outsider in Canada. I don't doubt it. What was that

01:08:47.400 actually coming from white Canadians or was that, you said you also grew in a mixed neighborhood. What,

01:08:52.120 what was the dynamic there? Yeah. I mean, so, um, you know, there were different factors going on.

01:08:59.720 So, um, I was poor. So, you know, my father cut my hair, uh, like, like, like I, like I wore

01:09:06.600 like, you know, cheap clothes. And so, and I really couldn't engage in the kids and the conversations

01:09:12.280 they want to have, which like, they, they love playing Sega, Nintendo. We couldn't afford a Nintendo

01:09:16.840 land and Sega. Um, so, so there were a lot of different factors going on, but, um, and, and I

01:09:23.400 also had like a weird personality. I'm, I'm just a weird person. Um, you know, I'm hyperactive, I'm

01:09:29.720 sensitive. Um, so, but, but yeah, I mean, um, like, like it was a mix of, a mix of all of

01:09:36.840 ethnicities. Uh, I, I, I, I permanently grew up in a Greek neighborhood, uh, and these were also

01:09:41.880 rich immigrants. Um, but, but, you know, I mean, like, I, I mean, it's just natural for

01:09:46.520 kids. I, I, I definitely outsider and to think of the outsider, you're not welcome. So, you

01:09:53.080 know, I mean, I, I, I was, uh, I was hit, I was hit. I mean, like, like, like the kids would

01:09:58.200 punch me and stuff, but also like, they wouldn't let me play their games. I was never invited to

01:10:01.960 their parties. I was shunned and ostracized and verbally and physically abused. Yes.

01:10:07.480 Yeah. But it gives you a perspective on things that maybe you wouldn't have if you're in it. So

01:10:12.560 there's, there are, there are benefits to, um, to these things, but let, let's talk about America

01:10:18.360 and the civil war. So obviously we've had one of these before in the 1860s and it led to hundreds

01:10:27.480 of thousands of deaths. Listening to your lecture on the, the coming civil war, I, I, the 1860s

01:10:35.920 is a precedent, but I don't, I, you seem to not think that something like that is going to happen.

01:10:41.240 That, that was a regional conflict over slavery and secession. I mean, it was a war of secession

01:10:48.040 in many ways. I think the South did want to, uh, break away. Uh, and, and the North wanted to

01:10:55.320 maintain this empire. Um, but what do you think the upcoming civil war is going to be like? Cause we,

01:11:02.440 you know, the, the idea of a civil war is sort of in the air. Marjorie Taylor Greene has said,

01:11:07.280 we need a divorce, a national divorce, a kind of velvet divorce. We'll just agree to disagree, 0.99

01:11:12.140 but how exactly that would shake out remains to be seen. Red state, blue state there. They're fairly

01:11:19.760 consistent, but there's a lot of, you know, Illinois is a massive dot of blue Chicago in a red state.

01:11:28.160 For example, um, I, I live in Montana now. I, I know exactly how Montanans would go

01:11:34.180 very deep red out here with, with the, um, uh, not, not a lot of blue anywhere. Uh, but, uh, but,

01:11:42.780 but also there's, there's also the idea of, you know, imagine yourself as the president and as

01:11:48.720 presiding over the American empire. We obviously benefit at the end of the day, despite the problems

01:11:56.140 from remaining intact, a civil war is going to bring down the dollar as a reserve currency.

01:12:03.060 It's going to jeopardize overseas bases. It's going to obviously jeopardize prestige,

01:12:08.840 maybe indelibly. And I would have met if I were president, I probably wouldn't let Montana go.

01:12:16.560 If it wanted to do so peacefully, you're, you're in a kind of damned. If you do damned, 0.98

01:12:22.680 if you don't dilemma, but maybe that you should take the Lincoln option. So, so anyway, I've set up 0.93

01:12:27.940 this, I put out some ideas. How do you think this is going to shake out a, and then, and then B,

01:12:33.960 I want you to talk also about the sort of like deeper currents you see of what, what's really

01:12:39.600 causing this, but, but first we'll, we'll stick with the pragmatic. How do you think this might shake

01:12:44.100 out? Okay. So, um, I think it will not be a war. Um, as you say, like in that, there'll be two sides,

01:12:54.260 you have two armies and they fight each other because, um, you know, I mean like that's, that's,

01:12:59.080 that's what's going to happen. But what we will see is, um, in the first, well, I think that the civil

01:13:06.840 war might last 20, 20, 30 years. Um, and I think what will emerge at the end of the civil war is a

01:13:12.400 Christian theocracy where the United States embraces Christian nationalism as a defining

01:13:17.840 ideology. Uh, and that Christian Zionism, uh, sorry, Christian nationalism sort of like, um, 0.86

01:13:23.140 overrides the constitution. Okay. That's, that, that, that's what I think will be the most likely

01:13:26.600 scenario in 20, 30 years time. Wow. And to get to that point, you have different stages. Okay. In the

01:13:31.560 first stage, you have seen, you'll see an acceleration of political violence, you know,

01:13:37.040 so public figures are targeted. Um, you'll see massive public unrest. So going back to the LA

01:13:44.300 riots, right. The, uh, against, um, ice raids, right. Um, you will see an acceleration of the police

01:13:51.780 state, um, you know, the national guard in different cities. Um, then the first stage I think ends when

01:14:00.400 there's a defining political moment that radically transforms the political landscape of this

01:14:05.920 country. And I think that will be Trump's third term. I think Trump intends to continue to be

01:14:12.260 president, how he will do so. I don't know. Right. I mean, it's possible he runs his son,

01:14:16.220 Don Jr. And he's the vice president who knows. Okay. But I think his intention is to have a third

01:14:20.780 term. And I think that from all his actions, you can interpret it as he wants to stay in there for as

01:14:25.880 wrong as he can. Right. Um, it's possibly guys out of office, but, but I think, you know, if, if he

01:14:30.340 stays healthy, then he's going to want that third term. If, if he does that and he succeeds, I think

01:14:34.920 he will likely succeed because he'll cheat in 2028. Um, you will have massive revolt in the country.

01:14:42.020 You have, you have cities like New York, Boston, who are open, who are open defiance. Um, some

01:14:47.680 states like California, they might even choose to succeed from the union. And now you're going to have

01:14:52.740 a massive, um, conflict throughout the nation. Most of the country will actually not be affected.

01:14:59.280 If, you know, if you're just living in a suburb in Connecticut, this may not even affect you,

01:15:02.420 but if you're living in a city of New York city or Boston, um, you have these massive sieges. Okay.

01:15:08.700 Um, then as in the third stage, then I think you'll have like just a breakdown of the United States,

01:15:16.280 you know, and, uh, different states will, will fight against each other. Different cities will

01:15:20.980 fight, fight, fight against each other. But eventually I think, um, the red states like 0.94

01:15:25.320 Texas may be, um, they will become dominant and they will, then, and they will eventually

01:15:30.200 re, re, re, re, reform the United States of America. Um, and honestly, this is no different

01:15:37.080 from what happened, um, during Roman times during the Roman empire. I mean, you, you had a constant

01:15:41.860 process of civil war and, uh, a great leader emerges and then you have imperial constant

01:15:47.560 consolidation. And then maybe 20 years, 30 years later, civil war again. So it's a constant cycle.

01:15:53.020 And I, I, I, quite honestly, I think that's gonna, what's gonna happen in the United States

01:15:57.200 at the same time. And this is what's really interesting is even as the civil war gets worse

01:16:02.140 and worse, America will continue to expand in the Americas. Uh, America is going to claim 0.92

01:16:06.480 territory in Canada, in Mexico, in South America. Um, so I, I think, I think that is what I imagine

01:16:15.860 to be, to happen over the next 20, 30 years to America. Um, and again, this fits into the

01:16:21.260 eschatology because America needs to be isolated from the rest of the world because the rest of 0.94

01:16:25.740 the world needs to achieve the second coming. And so the civil war, this imperial expansion

01:16:30.680 throughout the Americas, uh, it will distract America long enough for the events to unfold

01:16:34.860 in the Middle East in the way that they should. Um, so yeah. 1.00

01:16:39.300 And so you think it's a, well, go ahead, finish your thought.

01:16:42.340 Yeah. And also I think like one of the hidden hands and all the civil war will be the Catholic 0.97

01:16:47.060 church. I, I, I think the Catholic church is a much more dominant player, um, underlying

01:16:52.520 American politics than people imagined it to, to play. I mean, like, like, look, I mean,

01:16:57.240 JD Vance, um, I mean, like he is, he will be regardless of what happens. I mean, he will

01:17:02.880 be a very dominant political player in the next few decades and he's a very young person,

01:17:07.320 right? The new Pope, uh, the Catholic church is American. So, so I, I, I would not, I would

01:17:13.020 not be surprised if there are certain institutional elements within the Catholic church, maybe,

01:17:17.200 maybe, maybe open style, the Jesuits who see a civil war opportunity to gain power in, um,

01:17:25.040 America. Because remember before the Anglo American empire, it was a Catholic empire. And so how do

01:17:30.000 you reconstitute the millennium? How do we reconstitute the Catholic empire? Well, you either bring 0.99

01:17:35.040 America into the fold, uh, you call up America or you, you, you cause America to disintegrate, 0.55

01:17:40.560 right? So, so, so I, I think the Catholic church walls play a very important role in, in, in the

01:17:45.720 coming decades. And so you see the civil war as left versus right in effect. I mean, the, the first

01:17:51.520 civil war was regional. You, you couldn't, well, there was a little bit of slavery in Massachusetts,

01:17:57.440 but you, you couldn't have a massive gone with the wind style plantation in Connecticut or, or something

01:18:04.420 like that. There was regional differences of geography that created different economies

01:18:10.980 that were interconnected, of course, but we're, we're different. And this led to a regional conflict,

01:18:16.500 but it wasn't left versus right. Exactly. You, you had different types of people on both sides,

01:18:24.480 but you, you think that the red state, blue state divide left versus right, a red right versus

01:18:31.700 left in this case, that is going to be it. And, and we're, we're a hyper polarized society. This is

01:18:39.060 how we think now everything's coded as Republican and Democrat. If we're going to break down,

01:18:45.140 those are going to be the fault lines. Um, um, I think on a surface as a fault line,

01:18:51.700 but I don't think that that's what happened. I think the larger conflict is between establishment

01:18:55.940 interests versus emerging elite interests, right? So the example is Donald Trump, right? So, um,

01:19:03.620 in 2020, the establishment elite coalesced together to get rid of Donald Trump, right? I mean,

01:19:10.260 like $6 billion were spent on an election, the entire elite apparatus, the media, the financial sector,

01:19:17.220 um, the deep state, uh, CIA, um, they all banded together to get rid of Donald Trump. And what,

01:19:25.060 and, and back, back to the Peter Thiel, remember what was interesting is 2016, 2024, Peter Thiel was a

01:19:31.620 vocal supporter of Donald Trump, but in 2020, he withdrew his support for Donald Trump. So it seemed

01:19:38.420 like, like at that time, the entire establishment got together and decided we need to get rid of this

01:19:41.940 guy because he's a liability to imperial interests. And then, you know, Joe Biden came in and they

01:19:46.660 recognized that Joe Biden is actually even worse for, for imperial interests. And that's why they

01:19:50.180 let Donald Trump to come back in. But obviously if you're Donald Trump, you're kind of pissed off

01:19:53.860 about what happened in 2020. Um, I mean, so, so I, I think, you know, project 2025, uh, the law,

01:20:01.220 the underlying hidden agenda of project 2025 is to start attacking the basic infrastructure of

01:20:08.180 the establishment. And I, I, I think, I think that is what's really driving the civil war.

01:20:14.260 These elites come, you know, Peter Turchin, the historian has a term for this elite

01:20:18.820 overproduction. You have limited position of power status. You have too many elites. They all want

01:20:23.860 these positions of power. So they're going to have to, uh, fight it amongst themselves. So,

01:20:27.940 so I think left, right is what we see, but behind it are these deep institutional elements,

01:20:35.060 these interests that are in conflict with each other and left, right are basically puppets or tools.

01:20:40.660 I mean, you can make an argument and TFA and TFA. I mean, it's, I mean, it's not an organic

01:20:45.620 organization. I mean, like it's, it's almost like, like a FBI undercover organization. Um,

01:20:51.380 and then on the right, you have, um, Patriot Front or, or, or, or, or whatever they call it,

01:20:55.860 but it's so blatant. I mean, what, what they're doing now, now, why would you do that? Why you,

01:20:59.780 why would you incubate these organizations? Well, I mean, you would incubate these organizations.

01:21:04.900 You want to activate them for a, um, for civil, civil unrest. Um, so I think in the first stage

01:21:11.940 will be establishment versus, um, these, these, uh, the, these, um, um, Trump aligned conservative

01:21:20.180 factions that are trying to overthrow the establishment, including Chris Zionist,

01:21:23.780 including the Mormons, including the Catholics. Okay. But eventually you'll reach a point where the 0.80

01:21:27.860 establishment is overthrown and now these factions fight amongst themselves. Um, so, but, but I,

01:21:34.100 I think what's really important for us to understand is the left is not a factor in the

01:21:38.820 civil war. The left is extremely disorganized. I mean, these past few decades, um, the left has

01:21:44.020 done a tremendous job in, um, consuming itself and destroying itself through wake, uh, through

01:21:49.620 woke ideology, through its alignment with the establishment, through it's, it's, it's, um,

01:21:55.780 through COVID lockdowns. I mean, like the left has just absolutely no credibility

01:21:59.860 in America nowadays. It just doesn't. I mean, like, like, like, and like, quite honestly,

01:22:04.900 the left, they're not going to die for what they believe because they don't believe in anything.

01:22:07.780 You look at people like Obama, AOC, right? Do they stand for anything? I don't think they stand 0.98

01:22:12.420 for anything. All they stand for really is, you know, like playing the game, moving up, but, but

01:22:17.300 Obama's not going to die for, for what he believes in. Whereas people on the right will die for what,

01:22:24.340 for what they believe in. And, and, and I, so I don't think the left is a factor in the civil war.

01:22:28.820 Yeah. Well, there, there's also something that I've noticed is that the first

01:22:34.500 nine months or so of the Trump second term, uh, it's, it's been this attack on the establishment,

01:22:44.660 but without replacing it with anything, you know, Elon Musk came out with a chainsaw and said,

01:22:51.620 well, you know, we're destroying bureaucracy. Now, I don't, I don't think he really

01:22:55.620 destroyed all that much, but it was an attack on USA ID. It was attack on long-term bureaucrats,

01:23:04.260 et cetera. Even something as trivial as getting Jimmy Kimmel fired. I don't know if you heard this.

01:23:12.900 Uh, he's this very boring, stupid talk, um, a late night talk show. Well, previously in American history, 0.99

01:23:21.220 uh, late night was actually a very unifying thing. Johnny Carson spoke to all Americans,

01:23:27.780 middle-class, the wealthy elite, even, uh, working class people. They all liked Johnny Carson and they

01:23:35.380 thought the celebrities he talked to were, were their friends. And Bob Euchre would come on and talk about

01:23:41.300 baseball. It was very unifying and homey and Jimmy Kimmel is nothing like that. He's polarized himself

01:23:51.380 and he's, he's boring, but even here you have an attack on the institution. This thing is falling. Let's

01:23:59.620 just push it over the edge. But at least from my standpoint, there's nothing, there's no institution

01:24:06.500 that's replacing it. You know, there, there's not, there, there's not a Trump USA ID, or there,

01:24:13.540 there's not like a new vision of government that's replacing what they're tearing down. There's not a

01:24:19.540 Trump late night host who brings everyone together. They're, they're in the stage of liquidating all of

01:24:27.620 these institutions that are actually 20th century institutions. They're quite old, but they've all been

01:24:33.300 coded liberal attack the universities. Let's bring Harvard. It's going to be neutered. They're going 0.98

01:24:38.980 to pay us money. We might even take them down. They're, they're getting rid of these things,

01:24:43.620 but they're, they're not presenting hegemonic institutions in their place. At least that's my

01:24:49.620 perception. So, you know, I guess what, what you're saying is that at the end of it, it's going to be

01:24:57.380 Christian nationalism. It's just, it's going to be just full on, uh, you know, it's in the Bible, 0.72

01:25:04.980 10 commandments, baby, uh, bake me the cake, convert the gays. I mean, um, I guess it makes sense 1.00

01:25:13.860 in the sense that I don't think Trumpism has any core belief other than Trump himself. And he is going

01:25:24.580 to die at some point, maybe soon. And something has to fill that void. There's no other personality

01:25:30.820 that can fill it. Maybe you, some sort of hardcore thing, but something that resonates with American

01:25:38.380 history. And, and to be frank, puritanism, uh, biblical fundamentalism that resonates with American

01:25:46.400 history from my perspective, unfortunately, but you have to find something to, to, to fill that void.

01:25:54.580 Yeah. So, I mean, what I will say is that, um, if you're a Christian Zionist, you believe like the 0.75

01:26:02.020 media, the judiciary and the universities are fundamentally liberal institutions. And therefore,

01:26:08.500 you have to burn down these institutions. If you are to spread your Christian nationalist ideology, 0.94

01:26:12.820 when you have the ideology in place and these institutions will come about that support the

01:26:17.780 ideology. So, um, I don't think the intention is, is to replace the universities. I think the intention

01:26:23.620 is just to burn them down because like, why do you need that? Why do you need universities? They're

01:26:28.180 just propaganda machines for the liberal elite. I mean, at this point, Harvard, sadly. Yes. Yeah.

01:26:35.380 Like why just burn them down. Like, like, like who needs them? Right.

01:26:38.660 Hmm. I, yeah, that's why I'm, I'm just speaking for myself. I am ambivalent about a lot of this

01:26:47.260 because I, I don't like the destructiveness and I feel like so much of the destructiveness is very 0.99

01:26:53.500 stupid. It's, it's people who resent the idea of Harvard. You know, I think that the idea of people 0.99

01:27:03.080 gathering, 20 people gathering at a table and discussing Milton is a great thing and a necessary

01:27:09.720 thing for building the elite. And I feel like there is a sort of stupid resentment against the idea of 0.99

01:27:16.380 education itself. That being said, it's very hard for me to defend Jimmy Kimmel or defend Harvard as it is 0.98

01:27:25.800 at this moment. I sort of reluctantly agree with the Trump movement that these institutions have gone

01:27:34.300 haywire. So look, I mean, look, it's these liberal institutions that created Trump. Okay. I mean,

01:27:41.660 like it's very important to understand this. Trump is not a self-creation. He is a creation of the

01:27:47.860 liberal institutions that hate him. Okay. So in 2016, you know, Trump became popular because he

01:27:54.860 was, he was, he was being anti-Obama. I mean, he was, he was, he was going to, he was, he was this

01:28:00.000 populist hero, right? Why? Because the Obama years created this tremendous inequality between the haves

01:28:08.300 and the haves-nots. And I mean, people were just sick of this. Remember in 2008, Obama came in promising

01:28:16.140 that he would clean up Wall Street. And all he did was belt Wall Street and punish these millions of homeowners

01:28:21.700 who lost their homes because of Wall Street shenanigans, because of Wall Street corruption. And Trump promised

01:28:28.920 that I will fix this. Okay. When he came into office, he was sabotaged from day one by the liberal elite, right?

01:28:36.460 The media was spreading this Russian hoax that, you know, that, that, that Trump was, was a Putin spy.

01:28:44.720 And, and you had, you had the, you had certain individuals in Trump's cabinet that were in open

01:28:50.680 rebellion against Trump, who refused to take Trump's orders. In fact, you had the chairman of the joint

01:28:56.660 chief of staff, Mark Milley, say very proudly, I called the Chinese and said, don't worry about this guy. 0.82

01:29:01.940 When I take orders from this guy, he's a loose cannon. Don't worry about it. That's, that's true.

01:29:05.680 You don't do that. Okay. That's the basic reason, but he said it with relish. Okay.

01:29:10.180 The entire media establishment went against Trump. And then in 2020, as I mentioned,

01:29:14.700 entire establishment spent $6 billion to get, to get rid of this guy. All right. And that should

01:29:19.340 have been it. But then you had January 6th, which was, I mean, arguably a federal operation.

01:29:25.500 But then after that, you had the liberals try to bankrupt Trump. I mean, there were six civil suits

01:29:33.460 against Trump. They were trying to form him in prison. You have these judges in Colorado who

01:29:37.700 are, who are trying to take him out, like, like, like out of the ballot. You have this rate on

01:29:41.680 Mar-a-Lago for who knows why, but the FBI rated him. So, so I mean, I mean, the media, the liberals

01:29:50.560 were obsessed with this guy. And because Trump was being pursued by the liberal elite, the institutional

01:29:56.780 elite, he made, it made him a folk hero in America. Americans don't like that when the government,

01:30:03.460 bullied someone. I mean, I mean, it goes, it goes against the very soul of America to be bullied

01:30:08.460 by the government like that when Trump was being bullied throughout, throughout, throughout all

01:30:12.820 this time. And so you had this former president who is a billionaire, and now he's like a folk

01:30:17.520 hero. He's the underdog. And now that he's swept back in the office, he has a popular mandate

01:30:21.640 to, to bulldo, like all these institutions that bullied him past eight years. So I'm sorry to say

01:30:30.580 this, but these liberal institutions did this to themselves. At no point did, was there

01:30:35.340 any self-reflection? At no point did anyone say, you know what, we're going too far. We

01:30:42.220 say, we're calling Hitler, but are we creating Hitler? Like, remember, because Hitler would 0.97

01:30:48.620 not have been Hitler without the popular mandate that he had, because, because of these decades 0.88

01:30:53.080 of frustration among the German people. Yes, I, I agree with, um, uh, so much of what you've

01:31:03.020 said, but he's like a wrecking ball. I mean, it's, it's fascinating. That's the intention.

01:31:08.920 So, but, so it's, it's a force higher than these liberal institutions. It's, it's not like

01:31:15.200 the dean of a Harvard college is, is truly like the elite in the sense of the, the man, you know,

01:31:23.540 calling the shots. And so I, I think there, there were so many things with Trump, as you said,

01:31:29.920 when he, it was perceived that he was being persecuted by Jack Smith, that's when he became

01:31:34.720 popular again. And they threw Ron DeSantis out the window. Um, also January 6th, you saw all of

01:31:41.540 these billionaires, maybe they're sort of former liberal billionaires, counter billionaires, you

01:31:48.020 could say, who came on side because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, even if they ultimately support

01:31:54.460 Israel, they are more likely to push back. And I do think that there was a certain elite that wanted 0.83

01:32:03.160 Trump, despite all of it, they thought that he was going to be the one for that would allow Israel

01:32:10.140 to pursue its dreams in the most expansive way, popular, uh, possible, excuse me. And, and thus

01:32:17.820 Trump isn't this counter elite. He isn't the anti-war president. He's, he's actually brought in by

01:32:24.680 certain elites that want this. And yeah, in, in terms of what he creates, it's not even necessarily

01:32:33.060 his fault, uh, just to be fair, but in terms of what he creates, the vibe that he brings to the

01:32:39.940 country, there's no doubt the, the, the Charlie Kirk assassination as an example, we do seem to be

01:32:47.960 getting closer to street level kinetic violence day by day. I don't, I don't think you think this,

01:32:55.740 I don't think any reasonable person thinks that we're not going to see another one of these things

01:33:00.740 like Charlie Kirk, someone who is deeply politically coded and symbolic, getting killed,

01:33:09.620 getting, uh, uh, roughed up at the very least being violently attacked in broad daylight for the

01:33:16.920 simple reason of sending a message. And in the message, the violence, they're becoming so much

01:33:24.100 more expansive on social media. Millions of people are seeing it and feeling it right then and there.

01:33:29.100 And thus Trump sort of brings in the civil war, maybe to, to be overly fair here, maybe not, well,

01:33:37.240 you know, I think he did urge people to do J six and whatever, but to be fair, overly fair, not really

01:33:43.820 to the fault of his own, but just the sort of energy that he brings to the table. He brings an energy

01:33:51.660 of violence. I think a lot of liberals have gotten in trouble for saying this, but I think they're,

01:33:56.700 they're actually right about that. Um, and it, we're not going to cool things down. We're not

01:34:04.020 going to go back to normal. We're not going to elect Mitt Romney or something like that,

01:34:08.480 where we can just sort of tune out of politics, you know, maybe make fun of the president here and

01:34:13.760 there. Um, with, with Trump, the, the general social mood of the country is more existential.

01:34:20.200 I think when there's Charlie Cook, uh, shooting, uh, America has another nine 11 moment. Um, I,

01:34:27.840 I think, I think it's a watershed moment and I, and I think you're absolutely right in that.

01:34:31.520 There's no going back out of this. Um, it's, it's, it's opened up in those box. And remember

01:34:36.260 after nine 11, um, two major things that happened were the Patriot Act, um, the beginning of the

01:34:41.860 surveillance state and then the, these wars in the middle East. And I think that with this Charlie

01:34:47.960 Cook, Charlie Cook shooting, Kirk, you'll have both. Yeah. You have both. I mean, you're going

01:34:53.860 to have Palantir become dominant. Um, I mean, they've been planning this for like a long, long

01:34:58.800 time. Right. And that the infrastructure, um, for all this, I'm sure there, there are lots of

01:35:03.680 legislation already, you know, written that they're going to put the ramp through or next few,

01:35:09.780 few months. And so in to, in like, you know, in memory of, of Charlie Kirk, okay. To, to celebrate

01:35:15.120 his memory. Right. They'll probably call it, call it the Charlie Kirk act or whatever,

01:35:18.980 you know, the Patriot Patriot act two or something. And I also think this will be the impetus for

01:35:24.260 America's invasion of Iran somehow, somehow they're, they're going to connect it to. And,

01:35:29.560 you know, because like after nine 11, they invaded Iraq and like, there was actually no connection

01:35:34.660 between nine 11 and Iraq. In fact, Iraq was an enemy of Al Qaeda, but they made Iraq anyway. So, 0.99

01:35:41.620 so, so I think this is a watershed moment and I don't think you can, um, overestimate the impact

01:35:47.340 on the American psyche of what happened. They're already doing military recruitment on Charlie

01:35:52.840 Kirk's behalf. Charlie Kirk never served in the military. I mean, you know, right. For what it's

01:35:57.360 worth. And Charlie Kirk, by the way, was the one who vocally told Trump not to bomb Iran. He told

01:36:04.480 Trump, we have actually no business bombing Iran. Um, the American people don't want a war in the

01:36:12.060 Middle East. I mean, Charlie, Charlie Kirk was one of the, one of the good guys in Trump's orbit.

01:36:16.500 I mean, he was one of the restraining forces, right?

01:36:20.360 Sure. I'll, I'll grant you that, but I do agree that he no doubt went and told Donald Trump that

01:36:26.040 because he was getting pressure from his sort of anti-war base. And the, the, the, the,

01:36:31.580 the, the amazing thing, but maybe even predictive thing is that they're going to use him to inspire

01:36:36.960 a war. Well, one thing that I've also noticed here is that I think so many liberals want the

01:36:44.740 establishment to push back. They, the, the, the media does push back to some degree, uh, to the degree

01:36:51.680 they can, but they almost want, you know, these governors to stand up to Trump and they have to

01:36:58.660 some Pritzker and Newsom to some degree. Uh, but they, they, they're almost waiting for some

01:37:04.820 establishmentarian wasp in a tweed coat to just come out of the woodwork and say, no,

01:37:11.400 we don't do that here. And I think what, what I've seen in, in, in Donald Trump's second term is that

01:37:19.100 that doesn't actually exist. You know, they are going to send the national guard into California.

01:37:27.420 Um, Tim Cook, Mr. Liberal Apple, you know, left coded company. Uh, what are they going to do?

01:37:34.780 They're going to come to the white house and kiss Trump's ass. Um, the, the mainstream media, 1.00

01:37:40.380 are they going to push back on behalf of free speech and democracy? No, they're actually going

01:37:45.480 to fire the people whom Trump hates. There's nothing coming from the so-called establishment

01:37:52.800 because that's not really the establishment. The, these institutions, longstanding institutions,

01:37:58.220 you know, the New York times, ABC, Harvard university, um, uh, all these, these are 20th

01:38:05.320 century institutions that have now been coded as liberal and people want them to push back. Uh,

01:38:12.740 but they just won't. And they can't because they're not an actual elite. They're a sort of like

01:38:18.920 sub elite of something else that might actually like what Donald Trump is doing.

01:38:25.100 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the liberal elite is the professional managerial class, right? They're

01:38:29.200 not the owners. They're not the bosses. It's the deep state, the, uh, um, that, that, that are the

01:38:36.300 bosses and we'll never know who they are. Uh, one point, one thing that I will say is remember

01:38:40.820 during the Trump first term, the liberal elite basically sold their soul to the deep state,

01:38:46.140 right? Because, um, rather than reflect on what they did wrong, that would, that would allow for,

01:38:53.440 uh, the election of Donald Trump rather than recognize their own limitations and commit to

01:39:00.240 certain changes in their behavior. They decided that, you know what, we'll, we'll get the deep state

01:39:06.400 to go after Trump and, and, and create a soft core, right? Robert Mueller in his report will

01:39:10.700 definitely indict Trump, right? The joint chief of staff will, will overflow Trump or whatever.

01:39:14.740 Okay. But, but basically the liberal elite sold their soul to the deep state and now, and then

01:39:18.820 after the deep state realized, you know, we're better off with Donald Trump because we need to create

01:39:21.900 wars in the Middle East to, in order to, uh, expand the military industrial complex. Now the liberal

01:39:27.360 elite is kind of stuck because as you say, they don't, they don't have any real power and they've,

01:39:31.360 they've sold their soul to the deep state a long time ago.

01:39:33.220 Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Um, well, let's do this. We, we have about, um, 20 more minutes to go or so,

01:39:42.880 and you've been very generous with your time and I've really been, you know, um, invigorated by this

01:39:49.040 discussion, but let, let me open it up to some, uh, questions, um, which, uh, you could entertain if

01:39:55.880 you're, if you're willing. Okay, sure. Yeah. Uh, Ateas, uh, you're up there first, go for it.

01:40:03.220 Uh, yeah. Um, I, I have a question about the, it was briefly talked about, which is the idea that,

01:40:11.760 you know, Johnny Carson being, you know, a very unifying figure or figure and how everything is

01:40:18.880 kind of self curated. So like, if you want news, you kind of, you go on the internet and you get news

01:40:25.840 for yourself. Um, I guess my question would be like, what do you, how much of it do you attribute

01:40:31.820 to this kind of theory of a civil war of this idea that nothing is unifying anymore? Um, I think the

01:40:39.320 only last thing that's unifying really is probably sports, but I don't really think that's kind of

01:40:44.220 powerful. Yeah, I, I mean, that's, that's exactly right. Um, you have a breakdown over the past 20

01:40:53.580 years of three things that were unifying, um, ideology, narrative stories and institutions,

01:40:59.720 right? Um, so Johnny Carson was an institution in America. Television was an institution in America

01:41:06.420 because everyone just sat down as a family and watched TV together. That that's what you did in

01:41:12.100 60s and 50s and 70s. So, um, all these unifying forces, uh, especially ideology, like what was

01:41:20.720 America stand for? What is America about? Like, like what is the American dream? I mean, it's,

01:41:25.680 it's died out. I mean, like, like it's, it's, it's been ruptured. And again, there's really no going

01:41:30.560 back to, to it. The only, only unifying ideology on the horizon that I see is Christian nationalism 0.96

01:41:36.060 to return to America's roots as the new Jerusalem, um, as a city on the hill. Um, that's, that's about 0.64

01:41:45.880 it. Um, and, and, and I, and I think that's, that's why you're seeing what, um, you're seeing. I mean,

01:41:53.560 the fact that, um, after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you had a lot of people celebrate his death

01:42:00.720 is a really bad omen for America. It just tells us that there's no shame. There's no guilt. There's

01:42:07.220 no sense of civility in America anymore. Um, it, it, I mean, like, like we've all been, uh, primed by

01:42:14.420 social media to behave with outrage, to behave with extreme emotion. And there's really no space for

01:42:22.500 self-reflection, for restraint, for civility, uh, anymore in America.

01:42:27.240 Yes, I think the, can I, oh, sorry. Yeah, sure. You can follow up. I was just going to add one

01:42:35.080 more thing. It does seem like, um, you know, whoever has the strongest channel of information,

01:42:40.300 which would be like the theocracy of the Catholic church or something, you know, if you have like

01:42:46.820 the most unifying channel for a message, you would then become the establishment of messaging people.

01:42:53.580 So, you know, you know, I guess I'm just reinforcing and agreeing with what you're saying.

01:42:59.640 Yeah. I, I, again, I would not, um, underestimate the power and the reach of the Catholic church. I

01:43:05.820 mean, they have a hierarchy. Um, they, they're extremely organized and they've been lying on

01:43:10.300 the weight for hundreds of years, right? I mean, like there's just, there's just, um, for hundreds

01:43:15.680 of years, there's been this secret war between the Jesuits and the Freemasons. Um, and this war

01:43:23.960 spilled over to, um, America and this war has never gone, gone away. So, um, so, so yeah, I mean,

01:43:30.700 like watch out for the Catholic church. In fact, you know, I mean, like look at Kenneth Owens, um,

01:43:35.540 and just look at what she says, what she does. Um, I think a lot of her agenda aligns with that of

01:43:41.640 the Catholic church. Do you think Christian nationalism will be inflected by Catholicism

01:43:49.120 when, when I am, I, yeah, uh, North America might've been Catholic at the beginning, uh,

01:43:56.040 at the beginning of the conquest. That's for sure. Sure. But this is a Protestant country, but 0.94

01:44:02.900 maybe that was the, um, 20th century Christianity, which was that everyone was Protestant, including

01:44:10.420 the Catholics and the Jews. They were just another version of Protestantism and that, uh, that's 0.98

01:44:15.780 something that's older in fact. And is, do you think Catholicism will be the driving force of

01:44:23.320 Christian nationalism or, or will it go more to a Protestant fundamentalism? Um, I mean, if you look

01:44:31.740 at the situation right now, certainly the Catholic church and the Mormons have huge advantages, but as

01:44:37.000 you say, what matters is the soul of this country, what, what matters is what, what, what Americans

01:44:42.540 fundamentally believe. And I think that Americans are fundamentally, um, anti-Catholic church. They

01:44:48.560 don't like hierarchy. They don't like the idea of a Pope. Um, they, they, I mean, America's,

01:44:54.980 Americans fundamentally believe in individualism and in liberty, um, and direct access to, to God.

01:45:01.280 So, um, yeah, I think the Catholic church and the Mormons have a huge advantage, but as you say,

01:45:06.900 what will actually happen, we don't know. Also, we have to remember that this is a dynamic, like the

01:45:12.460 situation is very dynamic. And so we are, we, we, we're discounting geophysical events, like real,

01:45:19.320 real geophysical events that could happen to America over the next 20 years. I like, like, I know people,

01:45:24.400 um, argue about climate change, but what, what, what we can't argue is that the earth undergoes

01:45:30.000 extreme weather now and then, right? You know, we could be facing a mini ice age in next, next 20

01:45:34.720 years. And if you have a mini ice age, all bets are off the table, right? Because like you have a

01:45:40.340 major depopulation event. So, so it's a very dynamic situation. I'm not going to say the Catholic church

01:45:44.400 will end up, end up as the winners. I'm not going to say the Protestants aren't going to end up as the 0.99

01:45:47.160 winners. I think Christian theocracy is the end result, but which faction determines this Christian 1.00

01:45:52.100 theocracy. I can't really stay at this point. Interesting. Um, Henry, you're next.

01:45:59.060 Yeah. A lot of the discussion lately has been about the three Abrahamic religions and for obvious

01:46:05.180 reasons and potential manifestation of their eschatology. But I'm curious, how do you see

01:46:11.720 the other world religions playing into this event? You know, the Buddhists perhaps have less political 0.99

01:46:19.400 influence, but the Hindus and most interestingly, the atheist Chinese, like one big mystery for me 0.97

01:46:26.380 is what the relationship is between China and Israel. So I'm just curious how you see that playing

01:46:32.700 out. Yeah, that's a great question. Um, so, uh, I don't really know much about Hinduism. I don't

01:46:40.160 think it's, it's eschatological, right? I mean, like it's, it's like, it's like Buddhism. It's not

01:46:43.540 eschatological in the way that the Abrahamic religions are eschatological. And that's important

01:46:48.080 because it's eschatology, eschatology that drives geopolitics. It's eschatology that wants you to

01:46:52.420 like, wants you to go and like do something in Jerusalem. So, um, I do know a lot about China

01:46:57.800 because I obviously live in China and I'm Chinese. Um, China's not interested in geopolitics. China's

01:47:02.360 not interested in what's happening in the Middle East. It's interested in trade. It's interested in 0.99

01:47:07.920 exporting its cheap labor overseas. Um, but China's not going to, not going to militarily

01:47:14.460 intervene on anyone's behalf, um, outside Chinese borders. It doesn't do that. It's

01:47:20.340 not going to invade Taiwan. I know there's a lot of discussion that China might use, um,

01:47:25.020 all this upheaval around the world to reclaim Taiwan. China's not going to do that. It doesn't

01:47:29.540 have to do that. Um, China is big enough as it is. It's called the middle kingdom because 0.98

01:47:34.440 it sees itself as a universe onto itself. It wants, it wants to be left alone, basically.

01:47:38.800 Um, and, and, and that's, that's the worldview of China where the middle kingdom, everyone

01:47:44.120 else is barbaric. They find themselves in the Middle East. That's because what they 1.00

01:47:47.760 do, you know, that's, that's what they do. They just slaughter themselves like, like 0.95

01:47:51.560 over there, but let's ignore it. Um, I, you know, I live in China and I check the news

01:47:56.840 every day and the Chinese are not reporting what's happening around the world. It's China's 1.00

01:48:01.280 just not interested in what's happening in the world. The other thing is that if you just

01:48:06.340 look at the economic situation in China right now, it's very, very unstable. Um, and there's

01:48:13.840 a real fear that the economy would get worse and worse. And I think the current party is

01:48:19.020 more concerned about domestic unrest than it is about, you know, overseas wars.

01:48:25.840 So it's, it's interesting because you learned English in Canada from the time you were six.

01:48:31.020 Do you think that your, your worldview is obviously inflected by your education and experience, but

01:48:38.480 I think my impression is also that you're really tapped into social media and thinking in the West

01:48:49.100 and in America. Like you, you, I, I presume you're following Twitter in a way that you're not

01:48:55.240 looking at a Chinese newspaper, which, which might be operating in a different realm, as you say.

01:49:02.200 Yeah. So, um, the messaging is more controlled in China. So if you want to know the official line,

01:49:07.940 then you read the Chinese newspaper, which will not take very long. Um, but it's, but if you really

01:49:12.840 want to understand the geist in China, if you really want to understand how people are thinking,

01:49:15.460 you need to walk the streets. You need to see them in restaurants. You need, you need to analyze

01:49:18.580 their faces. Um, this is different in, um, the West because social media, I mean, it's, it's really

01:49:26.320 like the id of, of America, right? I mean, like, like, despite analyzing social media, you, you get

01:49:31.840 a deep sense of the fundamental feelings that are underpinning American society right now. And so I

01:49:38.100 see a lot of hatred. I see a lot of anger. I see a lot of confusion. I see a lot, a lot, a lot of

01:49:42.300 anxiety. Yeah, definitely. Um, Andrew J. Hey, what's going on? Um, I'm just curious, um, as far

01:49:52.460 as like a next 9-11 moment, excuse me, do you guys think like a cybersecurity event, like a global or

01:49:59.360 national or regional kind of hacking event from another state like Russia, or even like a corporation

01:50:04.740 could kind of occur? Um, I could see something like that happening in the next 10 to so years,

01:50:10.640 just because we're so on our phones at this point where it seems to me like fertile ground for some

01:50:17.300 sort of like terrorist attack. And then you have the misinformation of, oh, that's a false flag.

01:50:22.200 It was really Israel who did it, or, you know, I could see something like that happen. Just want to, 0.96

01:50:26.360 uh, get your guys' take on that. That's a fantastic question. Um, so I say that, um, 9, 10 was like

01:50:36.740 9, 9, 9, 11 and not, not in that, like, um, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. What mattered was a

01:50:42.380 spectacle, right? So after 9, 11, what you saw on TV all the time on constant, you know, replay was the

01:50:51.620 planes hitting the twin towers and the twin towers coming down. It was to induce trauma. You do that

01:50:56.820 through spectacle, through real life spectacle, right? And so remember like after the shooting,

01:51:03.120 that, that graphic video was unleashed on the internet. Everyone saw it. You didn't want to

01:51:09.520 see it. You just saw it by accident. And guess what? It's stuck in your mind. And that's going to

01:51:13.900 have long-term psychological consequences. It's going to change the psyche. It's going to change

01:51:19.280 the worldview. So that's what you want to create. You want to create a violent spectacle that traumatizes

01:51:23.960 the population, hypnotizes in a way that allows, allows you to program the population in a way that

01:51:30.100 you want. Remember after 9, 11, the Patriarch was, was rammed through Congress. And then George Bush

01:51:36.380 said, we're going to invade Iraq. And people were never like, why are we doing this? Like, like, like,

01:51:42.140 you know, because people were so shocked by the event that they just sort of passively accepted it.

01:51:48.240 And then, you know, that, that's what trauma victims do. Like, like they just accept the world

01:51:52.000 around them because they've, they've disassociated from the world around them, right? So the idea is to

01:51:57.160 create the spectacle. So that that's why hacking doesn't really do anything like, like, like what,

01:52:00.880 like, like how are you traumatized? If your computer goes off for a week, like, like who cares? Right.

01:52:05.680 The point is to create a spectacle. The other thing that's really important is that if you look at all

01:52:11.000 the major spectacles of the past 20th century, including the killing of JFK, 9-11 and Charlie Kirk,

01:52:19.840 you will see massive occult symbolism around the event, right? So Charlie Kirk was killed 33 weeks

01:52:32.840 after the inauguration of Donald Trump. He was killed 34 days before his 32nd birthday. It took 33 hours

01:52:42.280 for the FBI to capture the culprit. The press conference lasted 33 minutes. The shooter was 22

01:52:50.500 years old. I could go on and on, but it's all programmed into the event to create a subconscious

01:52:58.440 fear and trauma. And I mean, I mean, it's all really well orchestrated. I mean, this, this, this event

01:53:06.640 must've been like years in the making. Maybe, maybe they didn't know it would be, maybe they didn't

01:53:11.780 pick the victim yet, but they want to create a 9-11 spectacle in order to traumatize the masses in

01:53:16.760 order to push their agenda further. Do you think COVID was a kind of, it wasn't a spectacle, but I'm

01:53:24.980 seeing in this hypothetical cybersecurity event that I'm talking about, like a mass hacking or something

01:53:30.300 like that, that I was kind of thinking of something like COVID where it was just, it was shocking, but

01:53:35.760 it was also, you know, debilitating from your normal way of life. That's, I guess, more so than a 9-11

01:53:42.860 kind of spectacle event, like you're saying. Um, yeah. Um, I think COVID was an experiment. I think

01:53:51.040 like the situation got out of control, um, and they responded, um, and, and, and like in the response,

01:53:59.220 they recognized, oh my God, the, the masses are just sheep. They'll just do whatever we tell them

01:54:04.020 to do. Um, and they got away with it. And so I think the next thing will be the actual event,

01:54:10.680 which is maybe the implanting microchips into your, your bodies that, that I think is, is the real

01:54:15.500 intention. I think COVID might, might've been an experiment. Hmm. Um, regular guy.

01:54:24.160 So you talk about this Christian theocracy and the alternatives that it could be, 0.91

01:54:28.400 you said it could be Catholic. It could be Protestant. You mentioned the Mormons, which,

01:54:34.240 um, that's kind of a far cry to, to what the typical American is used to in terms of,

01:54:40.580 of theology. But who do you think is when, and you say, you say that's going to wrap up the conflict

01:54:48.940 in the U S, um, that we're going to see who is ultimately going to be the real loser of this

01:54:56.800 Christian theocracy and who's going to be the winners. Like, is it going to be the common man 0.96

01:55:02.860 because they're going to be issued a wife or is it going to be, and are the losers going to be 0.89

01:55:08.600 non-heteronormative people or is it going to be women? Um, or just a C or a atheist, even if they're 0.95

01:55:17.860 white and male. Yeah. So I don't see history as a conflict between individuals and between peoples.

01:55:26.120 I see history as fundamentally a conflict over ideas and narratives and ideology, right? So at the

01:55:31.740 founding of America, there was this math, there was this major conflict between the enlightenment ideal

01:55:36.600 and the, um, Christian utopia ideal, right? I mean, remember like the pilgrims came to America 0.96

01:55:43.920 to create a Christian utopia, the new Jerusalem. And that sort of got sidelined because of these 0.98

01:55:49.020 enlightenment ideals that have now manifested themselves into a multicultural, liberal,

01:55:55.380 uh, secular society. And that I think will be the real loser. Like, you know, goodbye multiculturalism. 0.96

01:56:01.240 We don't want that. Uh, we want everyone to be Christian. Goodbye, secularism. Goodbye, liberalism.

01:56:05.700 So, so, so, so, I mean, the very idea of liberalism will, uh, will die in this process. I mean,

01:56:12.200 like that's what I think is going to happen. I think it, uh, yeah, go on regular. I asked that

01:56:19.740 because of, um, well, in addition to the enlightenment versus Christian theology in the U S there was the,

01:56:28.320 uh, slaver culture, which we saw emerge in the 19th century. And the, the infamous mud still 1.00

01:56:34.860 speech, which says that, you know, society is hierarchical and some people need to have tragic

01:56:41.580 lots where they need to be manual labors. And if we're not on top, we might be at the bottom of the

01:56:48.060 mud still. And I'm wondering who would, would be at the bottom of the mud still in terms of groups in

01:56:55.300 this, in the Christian, in this Christian theocracy you see emerging?

01:57:00.540 Yeah, that's a good question. Um, and I don't really see the sort of the economic, um, hierarchy

01:57:10.500 changing that much. I mean, like, you know, it's very easy for these liberal elites to don on new

01:57:15.540 clothes, right? Like before they were liberals and now they're just priests, like what's the difference

01:57:20.400 really? Um, what they do behind closed doors is their own business, right? But what, what they do

01:57:25.760 in public, uh, I mean, they will pay adherence to the, um, theocracy, but you know, behind closed

01:57:32.320 doors, they'll still operate their secret societies, which will be liberal in nature. So I don't really

01:57:36.620 see the economic hierarchy changing that much. Hey, um, Richard, I apologize, but I need to go

01:57:43.040 because, because I have another call at 11 o'clock. So no problem. Yeah. We have really benefited from

01:57:50.560 your being here. I, I definitely hope you can come back on again. Um, because we just, yeah,

01:57:56.240 definitely. But, uh, thank you. And, uh, we'll, we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Great. Thanks.

01:58:02.160 So, okay. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye. All right. That was great stuff.

RadixJournal - March 05, 2026

Professor Jiang on Eschatoloigical History

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