RadixJournal - QAnon And The End Of The American Century

00:00:00.000 It's January 19th, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.

00:00:07.440 We've successfully lobbied for a presidential pardon.

00:00:10.920 This week, I'm joined by Edward Dutton.

00:00:13.840 Main topic, QAnon and the end of the American century.

00:00:18.760 The storm came, that's for sure.

00:00:21.480 But it wasn't the storm QAnon had in mind.

00:00:24.580 Trump ended his presidency not by arresting pedophiles in the deep state

00:00:31.080 and releasing the children from underground dungeons, but in utter disgrace.

00:00:36.660 His enthusiastically deluded voters ransacked the Capitol

00:00:40.140 and attempted the most buffoonish coup d'etat in recorded history.

00:00:44.600 But what does this all mean?

00:00:46.420 Should we chalk up Q to mere delusion?

00:00:50.060 Or might it represent the beginnings of a new religion?

00:00:53.460 Moreover, is Trump's fall from grace merely a colorful moment in American history?

00:00:58.800 Or might it spell the downfall of a once-dominant empire?

00:01:03.040 Ed, how are you?

00:01:06.200 Yes, I'm okay.

00:01:08.480 How are you, living in a collapsing empire?

00:01:10.440 Well, I'm out here in the wilderness,

00:01:13.720 and we're just skiing down the decline of the American empire.

00:01:20.060 That's what I'm doing.

00:01:21.140 Yeah, but you're going to get flooded with all the internal refugees, though. 1.00

00:01:28.340 Oh, right, yeah.

00:01:29.580 Like Montana and Maine and whatever.

00:01:32.260 They're all going to go there.

00:01:32.560 It's already happening.

00:01:34.440 I think I might have mentioned this on another podcast we did,

00:01:37.200 but I heard this, that there were 30,000 car registrations from Texas alone

00:01:44.400 in Flathead Valley, which is the county that includes a lot of towns around here.

00:01:50.560 It's a very beautiful place, Flathead Valley.

00:01:53.240 And 30,000 Texans are fleeing and all sorts of stuff.

00:01:57.080 Who knows what this is going to turn out into?

00:01:59.100 Well, I think you mentioned it on the podcast that we recorded on the 6th of January

00:02:03.560 that was then rather overtaken by then-

00:02:05.500 So we recorded a podcast, but I'm glad we recorded this,

00:02:11.900 because this is evidence that we had nothing to do with the insurrection.

00:02:17.000 When the police come to pick us up, we just hand them the tape and be like, yeah.

00:02:22.320 So we were podcasting literally while the rebellion had started,

00:02:28.460 and we had this podcast kind of saying, oh, nothing's going to happen today,

00:02:31.960 and this is the winter of civilization, and it's all going down.

00:02:35.620 And so basically it was just all overtaken by events rather quickly.

00:02:40.300 Oh, no, I'm not sure about that.

00:02:41.900 I was saying that it was hubris for you to think that the United States

00:02:46.020 isn't going to break up and whatever and collapse into chaos.

00:02:49.580 I said that.

00:02:50.580 And then what did we see?

00:02:52.100 We saw a fairly obvious symbol of increasing chaos,

00:02:57.660 which is the capital being taken over by the mob.

00:03:00.920 But I do think it's very, very symbolically important

00:03:04.160 that the degree of polarization, which we've been talking about on here for so long,

00:03:08.980 is now so extreme that something like that can happen,

00:03:13.640 and also that it showed up the weakness of the state,

00:03:16.640 which is another one of the markers that Turkin looks at,

00:03:20.600 that it was a weakness, that we were weak.

00:03:22.820 They made a mistake.

00:03:23.640 They ballsed up.

00:03:24.380 They didn't plan for this.

00:03:25.780 And so it just makes people lose faith in the authorities more. 0.98

00:03:32.260 And then this obviously ridiculous, hypocritical reaction that, you know, 0.97

00:03:36.620 oh, BLM, that's protest. 0.99

00:03:38.120 That's peaceful protest.

00:03:39.820 But a bunch of angry working class Americans breaking into a building, 1.00

00:03:45.320 when it's them that's threatened, that's the thing.

00:03:47.440 BLM threatens ordinary people, but it's them, the legislators, that are threatened. 1.00

00:03:52.000 Then, oh, that's terrible.

00:03:54.600 Let's not defund the police.

00:03:55.920 The police are heroes.

00:03:57.860 Well, I think, actually, I think you're being a little naive here, too, Ed.

00:04:03.000 The fact is, the different, I agree with the hypocrisy in the sense of BLM is, 0.78

00:04:12.260 they're looting and rioting and crazy, burning things down, and so on. 0.95

00:04:17.140 And the level of freakout over this utterly buffoonish coup or mob scene or whatever. 0.97

00:04:24.820 I agree with there's massive hypocrisy there.

00:04:27.480 But I think it actually reveals the importance of politics as symbol,

00:04:34.120 in the sense that politics isn't just the art of the possible.

00:04:36.840 It is a deeply symbolic art that involves legitimacy and, first and foremost,

00:04:45.280 and proper use of force and so on.

00:04:47.240 So BLM, as an ideology, now, in its radical form of abolish the police and black nationalism or whatever,

00:04:56.760 obviously, the U.S. government is not going to stand for that.

00:04:59.900 And I do not think the police are going to be abolished by any stretch.

00:05:04.080 I don't even think they're going to be defunded.

00:05:05.540 I think they're going to just have more social workers alongside them. 0.99

00:05:09.140 The state won't do that.

00:05:11.220 But BLM itself, as kind of goofy liberal identity politics 0.87

00:05:17.320 and with a white guilt pathology thrown into the mix, 0.75

00:05:21.300 this is a governing ideology of the United States.

00:05:25.380 Remember, the United States has put BLM symbols outside their embassies in South Korea, elsewhere.

00:05:32.580 Various ambassadors have talked about BLM and gay pride and so on.

00:05:39.800 These are another – the embassies abroad will fly the rainbow flag of gaiety.

00:05:47.560 So this is a governing ideology for them.

00:05:50.560 They do not see BLM as destabilizing.

00:05:52.800 Now, however buffoonish you might be, if you go into their holy of holies,

00:06:01.480 the legislature itself where legitimacy is conveyed upon laws, 0.91

00:06:08.780 you are treading on the sacred.

00:06:12.340 You are debasing their symbols.

00:06:15.120 And even if the BLM was more violent and more dangerous and more destructive towards normal Americans,

00:06:21.920 I obviously agree with that.

00:06:24.120 The fact is symbols matter.

00:06:26.820 And they are going to take a – you know, treading your muddy boots on their cathedral. 0.82

00:06:34.400 They're going to take that more seriously than they're going to take some black people. 0.97

00:06:39.260 Because that's just crime. 0.95

00:06:41.480 I'm not going to disagree on that.

00:06:42.680 I don't think that's me being naive.

00:06:45.180 It's obvious.

00:06:45.840 That's what's –

00:06:47.020 I've heard all these right-wingers say this, but they don't follow it up with why.

00:06:51.780 Like, they don't actually answer the question of why this is happening.

00:06:55.140 This will be taken infinitely more seriously than the burning down of a Wendy's in Milwaukee.

00:07:01.700 Because that's merely crime.

00:07:03.440 This is an attack on symbols, an attack on the state itself.

00:07:08.120 And that is not tolerated.

00:07:12.080 No, yes, it's akin to – yeah, breaking – if someone broke into Buckingham Palace,

00:07:16.960 it's not just breaking into a house, it's breaking into Buckingham Palace.

00:07:19.800 So, yeah, that's quite true.

00:07:21.860 But the point is that you've got to a level of radicalization and to a level of polarization in America

00:07:28.240 where people are prepared to do that.

00:07:29.900 And this is – as well, in America, you have – I forget the name of the author many years ago,

00:07:34.480 wrote a book arguing that you have a sort of a – a sort of – sort of ersatz religion in America

00:07:40.200 in the form of the founding fathers and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff you're taught at school.

00:07:44.480 And it was a deliberate, conscious challenge to that, to go to the capital, break into the capital.

00:07:52.320 And also, it's what happens in regimes that are unstable in Africa, as people have commented.

00:07:57.240 It's what happens in African tin-pock dictatorships and whatever. 1.00

00:08:00.340 That's how you storm the parliament.

00:08:02.160 And so this has happened.

00:08:03.320 And so it seems to me that they can clamp down as much as they like, and I'm sure they will.

00:08:07.380 But that will just lead to the enemies becoming, I think, more radicalized,

00:08:12.720 more feeling that they're under attack, which will make them get more polarized.

00:08:18.740 And this will just continue.

00:08:20.960 And that's why I see it as a – you're saying symbolism in terms of the symbolism of the state.

00:08:25.900 I see it as an important symbol in the cycle of Western civilization that we're going through.

00:08:32.220 It's so crucially important.

00:08:33.340 I agree with that.

00:08:34.300 Let me add one thing before we move on.

00:08:38.200 There's an interesting aspect where every revolution cloaks itself in the past in some way.

00:08:47.480 So the French Revolution obviously, you know, eventuated in terror and radical social leveling and so on.

00:08:54.600 But it also would cloak itself in the garb of the Roman Republic and so on.

00:09:01.320 You can see that a lot actually in the founding fathers who were evoking –

00:09:04.680 Thomas Jefferson evoking classical Greece and building his academical village where I was a student some 20 years ago.

00:09:16.280 There – you cloak in the past – you kind of look towards the future.

00:09:20.960 There's this weird way with these people.

00:09:23.480 Now, granted, they were treading their muddy boots onto holy ground in the mind of the establishment, unquestionably.

00:09:31.580 But the way that they understood their revolution was also kind of fulfilling 1776.

00:09:38.220 I mean, Alex Jones said 1776 will commence.

00:09:42.020 And all of his followers were echoing that.

00:09:45.520 They were also talking about – you could hear in like average people out there.

00:09:49.280 I think it was actually the guy who had constructed the gallows where they were going to hang Mike Pence, which is something so unimaginable even like two weeks ago.

00:09:58.380 But now it seems inevitable.

00:10:01.000 But he was saying, we're saving democracy by doing this.

00:10:05.380 So they were kind of – you see kind of a battle of the meaning of 1776 between two competing camps.

00:10:15.840 So it is a kind of civil war.

00:10:17.600 I don't think we're going to have a civil war at least anytime soon where there's just, you know, people going door to door and blood in the streets and so on.

00:10:26.040 But we are kind of in a civil war already in the sense that you have two competing forces battling for control of the symbol of America.

00:10:36.640 Because those people who raided the capital by no means thought of themselves as anti-American.

00:10:42.200 This wasn't like, I don't know, Red Dawn where the Chinese come in and make everyone speak Chinese and we're celebrating their Lunar New Year or something. 0.99

00:10:52.520 I mean, I'm being a little bit facetious here.

00:10:55.500 But these were people who thought of themselves as the ultimate Americans and they will be prosecuted by an establishment that thinks of themselves as the ultimate Americans.

00:11:07.460 And so it is a civil war that we're watching.

00:11:10.520 It's going to be different than previous civil wars because we're living in 2021 now.

00:11:14.740 But it is a civil war symbolically and ideologically.

00:11:19.500 Yes, true.

00:11:20.420 And as you say, it was the symbolism that was so important.

00:11:25.520 It's like 9-11 and these very tall buildings, the two tallest buildings in America where they're coming down.

00:11:30.800 The symbol, the Freudian symbolism of that was so, was what made it so, you know, obviously it was appalling, but it's what made it so stick in the mind.

00:11:40.080 And with this, it's the same.

00:11:42.560 The symbolism of them doing it is so important because it's such an assertion of their power, such an assertion of their feelings and such an assertion of the weakness and feebleness, ultimately, of these legislators, that they're ultimately just people.

00:11:56.880 And there they were worse, I felt, was them cowering, cowering down.

00:12:02.180 And they took videos of it.

00:12:03.860 You think that you want to sort of maintain some majesty, that you're these legislatures and you're important.

00:12:09.260 No, no, but one of them hyperventilating on the floor.

00:12:13.340 Yeah, yeah, that was pretty good.

00:12:14.720 I think she was a congresswoman from Virginia. 0.76

00:12:17.180 I think her name was something foreign, something, I write it down, I can't remember why.

00:12:22.740 And she was open about this, that she was, yes, she was hyperventilating.

00:12:27.320 I was like, for God's sake, that is a clear marker of being highly mentally unstable hyperventilating.

00:12:30.960 I mean, that's a really strong marker on it.

00:12:32.840 And you're signalling about that to evoke sympathy.

00:12:36.360 So it shows you the kind of reverse of normal values.

00:12:38.660 We're meant to have confidence in you, yet you're a person that's so scared and frightened that you're hyperventilating.

00:12:45.280 I mean, heavens.

00:12:46.320 And there was a black legislator ever praying in the background, while that's how frightened she was. 0.91

00:12:52.860 And it revealed their fragility.

00:12:56.160 There weren't many heroes on January 6th.

00:12:58.900 I'm not sure anyone really looked.

00:13:00.680 There weren't very many heroes on January 6th.

00:13:03.040 I'm not sure anyone really looked good when you think about it.

00:13:07.220 I mean, I sympathize with the police officers who were dealing with this chaos.

00:13:12.060 But at the same time, the chief of the Capitol Hill or the Capitol Police has resigned.

00:13:17.260 I mean, they obviously were unprepared for this, even though there's also indication that they knew that this was gearing up. 0.99

00:13:23.940 And they looked like fools. 0.99

00:13:27.400 They might have overreached in shooting Ashley Babbitt. 1.00

00:13:31.940 It was like a Black Lives Matter situation where they thought, look, let's just let them do this and hopefully they'll shut up and go away. 0.98

00:13:39.900 So you see some people that try to use this to say that, oh, it was an inside job.

00:13:43.220 But you see some police officers obviously think to themselves, look, they're not armed.

00:13:47.220 What do we do?

00:13:48.440 Let's just pose for selfies.

00:13:50.740 Let's just let them do this and they'll go away, which is actually what happened.

00:13:53.900 That was actually quite a good move.

00:13:54.980 And, yeah, you're right, that woman that tried to break into the actual floor of the house, who was shot.

00:14:03.120 I mean, she was unarmed, but you can completely see what she could have been wrong.

00:14:08.860 Yeah, she could have been armed.

00:14:10.720 She was engaging in sedition by the letter of the law.

00:14:13.900 I mean, I don't.

00:14:14.940 He had a split-second decision on what to do.

00:14:17.620 And that's what he did.

00:14:19.680 So I'm not going to say he's a hero, but he at least stood up and did something that he was supposed to do.

00:14:31.360 But awful that it was. 0.95

00:14:34.120 And, yeah, they came across as just cowards who were frightened by this mob.

00:14:40.020 So I don't think it's – a lot of people are black-pilled about this, so it's going to result in greater tyranny on the Internet or in law.

00:14:47.680 Yes, it probably is, but there will be a counterreaction to it, and it's just a growing – it's just a marker of an increasing slide down as I think America just falls apart.

00:15:00.440 I agree that – look, I think that we might see the end of the American empire in my lifetime.

00:15:07.020 That's the level of, I guess you could say, pessimism.

00:15:10.220 Now, I think there are huge problems with the American empire.

00:15:13.400 I think we need to move beyond that anyway, so I'm not quite pessimistic about it.

00:15:17.380 I am not black-pilled by what I saw on January 6th, and particularly in relation to people like you and me and what we're doing.

00:15:30.600 We had absolutely nothing to do with this.

00:15:34.420 I was ignorant that this was happening.

00:15:37.120 I would have told people not to go if I had the chance, but I didn't meet anyone who wanted to go.

00:15:42.660 And also, the types of people who are going to pay a very hard price for this are the types of people who are basically alt-light e-grifters.

00:15:55.400 And they kicked off all the people – I'm still on Twitter, or I'm off YouTube – they kind of did this purge of the far-right ideologues over the past year and a half.

00:16:07.980 I think they recognize now that they should have – that we are not the ones bringing in hundreds of thousands, or if you look at the whole Stop the Steal movement, millions of dollars to doing this.

00:16:22.900 We are not the ones who are actually planning a kind of insurrection.

00:16:27.680 And they were planning a kind of insurrection.

00:16:30.200 They wanted to stop the vote with a mob.

00:16:32.520 Those are their own words.

00:16:35.500 And I think there's going to be a major crackdown on these kind of alt-light conservative grifters and people who are engaging in just idea and information pollution.

00:16:47.540 I would note that people like you and me and others that they talk about as being whatever alt-right, a lot of us – I'm perfectly happy to say that, as far as I'm concerned, the evidence that Trump won that election is not there, clearly.

00:17:03.680 And it's people that – and others that I know – we agree on this.

00:17:10.120 No, it's the grifters, as you call them, are the ones that go on and on and on about how the vote was fraudulent and the election was stolen and whatever.

00:17:17.060 So they're the ones that encouraged – which clearly it wasn't.

00:17:19.940 But they're the ones – and they're the ones that encouraged this, this attitude that the election was stolen, which it clearly wasn't.

00:17:28.400 And, you know, there was a fight and you lost.

00:17:32.180 You didn't fight dirty enough.

00:17:33.260 I don't know, whatever, but you lost.

00:17:34.500 And, I mean, on the other hand, you could argue in terms of winning the fight, it is a positive to have this religion, this ersatz religion, because that's what the left have in BLM and whatever.

00:17:50.640 And so the right needs something like that that's a force of unity.

00:17:53.200 And that this is kind of what's inspired this, this religious service.

00:17:58.340 It has to be positive, but I'm not going to be – I'm not the one.

00:18:01.480 It's the alt light.

00:18:03.380 It's the – it's those people that are saying the election's stolen and just – and on and on and on about it.

00:18:10.820 And it's just delusional and increasingly disengaged from reality, and it just doesn't lead anywhere.

00:18:16.080 Yeah, look, this is what I ultimately wanted to talk about, because I think we've kind of set things up well.

00:18:22.420 But, you know, a lot of people will just – everyone agrees that America and increasingly the Western world is polarized.

00:18:32.520 And, you know, you used to have different kinds of elections.

00:18:36.580 You could have an actual landslide, a 49 or 50-state landslide.

00:18:40.980 It's hard to imagine that happening, again, of a Nixon in 72 or Reagan in 84.

00:18:47.920 You know, there are other examples.

00:18:49.180 It's hard to imagine the kind of churn in voting that we saw, where someone from Nebraska might split his ticket, vote Democrat, vote for a Republican president, and then vote all Republican the next year and then all Democrat the next year because he likes the guy or whatever.

00:19:05.960 That was a very common occurrence throughout the 20th century.

00:19:09.280 That is now seemingly impossible.

00:19:11.720 I mean, it happened a little bit in Georgia, actually.

00:19:14.200 But, you know, on the scale that it used to happen, it is simply impossible.

00:19:20.660 The parties have come apart.

00:19:22.400 I mean, I talked about this in my election analysis.

00:19:25.800 This was actually Pew Research.

00:19:27.100 But if you looked at the parties in 1994, a third of the Democrats were to the right of your average Republican.

00:19:38.740 So just to, you know, on just some key issues, a third of Democrats were more conservative than your average Republican.

00:19:47.000 Now there's no – the entire party, the Republican Party, is to the right of the Democrats, and the Democrats are far to the left of average Republicans or indeed the whole grouping.

00:19:59.440 So, again, these kinds of analyses are limited.

00:20:03.620 20 years ago, I remember watching on TV, you still had – they're dead now – that you still had some Southern Democrats that would vote Democrat because you can't vote Republican because they're evil.

00:20:14.020 Yeah, because – that's still 20 – very, very right-wing conservative people, they would vote Democrat because that's just what you do because you're a Southern.

00:20:22.640 It's a sort of pre-1950s mindset.

00:20:26.560 Yeah, my mother talked about all of that.

00:20:28.660 She – my grandfather, my maternal grandfather was a bit unusual.

00:20:32.660 He was a Republican before Goldwater.

00:20:35.640 So he was just a Republican type.

00:20:37.820 He was a physician and landowner.

00:20:40.440 I don't – maybe that had a lot to do with it.

00:20:42.160 But, yeah, she was – she didn't want to tell people that they were Republicans at school because it's kind of like telling – you know, living in the South now and saying, oh, yeah, my whole family is Democrat.

00:20:54.640 You know, they would look at you funny and not trust you.

00:21:00.020 That's split.

00:21:00.980 And that's the problem.

00:21:01.860 Once that kind of divide happens, once there's no floating voter, once there's no middle ground, then you just have polarized – total polarization.

00:21:10.540 You oddly have stability as well, which is one of the ironies, which is that nothing really changes and gets done because everyone hates each other and won't work together.

00:21:21.580 So –

00:21:21.820 On the other hand, the fact of the polarization as itself means that everything is on edge and could blow up at any minute.

00:21:30.560 And so in that sense, there's total instability.

00:21:32.360 It's not stability at all.

00:21:33.080 Well, in terms of policy, there's a weird policy stability in the sense that in the mid-20th century, you had major paradigm-changing legislative events.

00:21:45.740 Like the Civil Rights Act, the Heart Seller Immigration Act, the creation of the Great Society, you know, Social Security and Medicare a little bit earlier, but, you know, Medicaid, all of this stuff. 0.52

00:22:00.860 I can't really name major domestic policy paradigm shifts over the past 25 years.

00:22:11.960 I mean, there's maybe Obamacare, which he got through immediately, but that was, you know, a Republican policy anyway.

00:22:18.560 But it's because they are at loggerheads.

00:22:23.260 They're unwilling to work together, and it becomes this just clashing, you know, that leads to nothing.

00:22:30.400 I mean, Obama, in his second term, Obama was just basically kind of sitting around doing some executive orders.

00:22:36.840 I mean, nothing big seems possible anymore.

00:22:41.280 That might change, but it's a weird kind of irony of it that it's stable.

00:22:46.200 But I guess what I would say is that, you know, everyone agrees that we're polarized.

00:22:53.840 Every journalist in every paper agrees that we're hyper-polarized, and every American does, more or less.

00:23:00.400 And you see these same things happening in Britain with Brexit and so on.

00:23:05.080 This is a big trend.

00:23:07.100 But why is it happening, like, on a deeper level?

00:23:11.460 And also, what are some of the background, you know, changes in belief system and so on that led to something like January 6th?

00:23:24.220 I, you know, and I'm trying to bring us to QAnon, because QAnon was something that I recognized in 2017.

00:23:34.300 I was, I heard about it, and I was kind of thinking about it, and then I dismissed it.

00:23:39.480 And I think a lot of people were kind of, you know, they were between villainizing it and dismissing it. 0.94

00:23:46.840 So this is this crazy, stupid, obviously factually incorrect thing that a lot of people believe, but it doesn't, it won't have any impact. 1.00

00:23:56.920 It's just a bunch of Trump diehards and loons. 1.00

00:24:00.380 That, of course, isn't wrong.

00:24:02.540 But the fact is, it does have a theological structure and system.

00:24:08.880 It is acting as an ersatz religion. 0.86

00:24:12.560 It is pro-Trump, unquestionably.

00:24:15.760 But also, it, like religions previously, can motivate people to take actions in the real world that they otherwise would not have taken.

00:24:26.160 And, you know, there's this famous quote that I remember Christopher Hitchens would always cite, which is that, you know, religious people now say that religion can make a bad person good, you know, by reading the Bible or accepting Jesus.

00:24:45.180 But the question is, only through, or the issue is, only through religion can you make a good person do bad things. 0.96

00:24:52.620 And that is, only through religion can you give him the force of belief to, you know, torture and kill a heretic, to invade the Capitol building, to starve himself to death or whip him. 0.90

00:25:06.360 And I agree with this sentiment.

00:25:09.180 But I think, coming out of the mouth of a liberal who's basically a last man who thinks, you know, only about life being pleasant and comfortable, they take that as a criticism of religion.

00:25:23.460 I take it as a deep understanding of religion, that in order to get society to unify and to engage in collective action that can be violent and domineering, you need a religious impulse.

00:25:39.400 We can't, we're not going to be able to accomplish this through kind of secular, you know, rationality.

00:25:46.300 If you make big sacrifices like that, you need to have a sense that your actions have eternal importance and that there is something greater than you and that you're acting for the greater good of your group or whatever it is that they have.

00:25:58.800 Or God himself, yeah.

00:26:00.040 Or God himself, some sort of eternal importance, monumentalist values, either couched in religious terms or couched in what might be called implicitly religious terms.

00:26:10.440 So, okay, the people on the far left don't actually believe in religion, but if you would trace back the kind of things they say, it's as though they have some sort of belief in fate or something like that.

00:26:18.500 They don't quite articulate.

00:26:21.060 But it's the actual belief in eternity that seems to really, really motivate people to do things if they can be put under the psychological circumstances required for that to be induced.

00:26:33.200 And the things that predict it are low IQ, people that have low IQ seem to be more susceptible to religiosity, high levels of stress, and feeling that you're under attack, feeling that you're marginalised.

00:26:48.200 And those things are the key environmental factors that seem to make more partly environmental in terms, which make people religious.

00:26:56.460 And so what the QAnon thing does is it's developed a sort of a new, as we've discussed on here before, a developed new religion that has clear religious aspects.

00:27:06.740 You could argue it's almost like Gnosticism.

00:27:08.580 It's like an aspect of Christianity, Christian-based in some way.

00:27:13.160 And then brings in these issues that have become of concern of late paedophilia and the New World Order and all of this to create this mega conspiracy theory where you have this gnosis.

00:27:25.660 If you join it, you really, it's like Gnosticism.

00:27:27.880 You have this, the real, true understanding of the world.

00:27:31.360 Right.

00:27:31.780 Or it's like some forms of Islam, you know, the Sufi Islam.

00:27:36.540 You really understand Muhammad. 1.00

00:27:38.180 And this is what you, this is what you have.

00:27:42.880 And so these marginalised people feel that they are superior, they are superior even to those in power, who, by the way, are evil and of the devil. 0.93

00:27:51.220 And they have this gnosis.

00:27:53.120 And I don't think this is going to go away.

00:27:54.740 I think this is so attractive.

00:27:56.180 And I think it's been building for a long time as well with the belief in conspiracy theories, 9-11, an inside job, Corona as well only helps us even more.

00:28:05.440 And you can't trust people on any, I mean, the thing is that the levels of trust are now so low in society due to various factors, gender diversity, immigration, collapsing, religiousness, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:20.360 You kind of feel you can't trust anybody.

00:28:22.060 I mean, I even find myself watching things that are from a right-wing perspective and thinking, well, I'll watch something out from a left-wing perspective because probably the people on the right are making something up, particularly with regard to this election fraud or whatever.

00:28:33.320 And so it's, yeah, what you end up with is a coming apart.

00:28:42.900 And that's what I suspect is going to happen.

00:28:44.560 There's nothing, there's no Cold War.

00:28:47.300 There's no external enemy to hold us together.

00:28:49.500 There's no Native Americans surrounding us, shooting at us.

00:28:52.120 There's nothing to hold us together.

00:28:53.780 And what happens in simple tribes like the Yanomara or whatever, when you don't like each other, you just split away.

00:28:59.600 Yeah.

00:29:00.720 And I think you split away with people that are basically going to be more genetically similar to you.

00:29:05.820 And that's what I think Americans are doing.

00:29:08.440 They're doing it.

00:29:09.080 And they're going to do it more.

00:29:10.460 They're going to, they're going to part, they're going to pass each other out along genetic lines, racial lines. 0.97

00:29:17.760 They were doing that, but within whites.

00:29:21.040 And you'll be able to talk about, yeah, that's, we're a Republican community.

00:29:25.040 And it will be.

00:29:27.760 And, yeah, so.

00:29:31.160 But let me, let me mention a couple of things that are unique to Q.

00:29:35.580 And I would definitely direct everyone to Ed's really, really great article called Trusting the Plan that's at Ed Radix Journal.

00:29:47.520 And that, that goes into detail.

00:29:48.920 There are a couple of things that I wanted to add that, that weren't quite in your article, because I, I was, I'm actually rereading a genealogy of morality by Nietzsche for, for another thing I'm doing.

00:30:01.200 And this, when I think about Q, and again, are we, let's take Q seriously as a religion.

00:30:07.980 Let's not just treat it as a bunch of crazy people, because that, that's not actually scientific.

00:30:12.260 If something is this powerful and widespread and, and motivates people in this way, you have to take it seriously.

00:30:19.320 It is a resentment religion on a very basic level.

00:30:25.260 And it, and it actually adheres to Nietzsche's description of the resentment religion that eventuated into Judaism and Christianity.

00:30:36.760 So the, first off, it is a resentment religion in the sense that all of the people on top, the people who think they're good, the people who are running society, they are not what they seem.

00:30:50.100 They, they aren't, they aren't liberals. 0.96

00:30:53.320 They're in fact, Satanist and they're blood suckers. 1.00

00:30:56.800 They're vile. 0.99

00:30:57.900 They're drenched in blood of, of all kinds. 0.97

00:31:00.820 They're lying to us endlessly.

00:31:02.560 Everything you see coming out of a mainstream source is not just liberal, but wrong and fake.

00:31:09.560 And the only authentic voices you can find are in your Facebook group and citizen journalists and things like this.

00:31:15.280 Now we, we might have some sympathies, uh, with the idea of the mainstream liberal is kind of fake, but they obviously take that in a, in a direction that's utterly bizarre.

00:31:26.160 Um, but it's, it's a resentment like religion on, on a different level.

00:31:31.360 First off, it is resenting people who are in charge.

00:31:33.660 They, they assume that they're not in charge.

00:31:35.520 They have a few allies in the NSA, according to Q, but they are not the ones who are in charge.

00:31:40.640 They have Trump as their kind of Messiah figure, but they, but even that is now lost.

00:31:46.120 Trump is going to be crucified perhaps.

00:31:48.840 And the, the religion will expand even further.

00:31:50.760 Um, but it's a resentment religion in the sense that it imagines a different world.

00:31:55.540 And what, you know, Nietzsche was saying in, in the genealogy is that if you are on top, if you're the badass, if you're the blonde beast, you don't need to imagine a world. 0.83

00:32:08.620 You might a different world other than the one we live in.

00:32:10.840 You might very well want to, um, uh, coat it in gold and tell fairy tales about your awesomeness.

00:32:19.460 Uh, but you're not going to imagine a different realm, but there's this origin of both Judaism and Christianity and kind of Platonism in this resentment of imagining a pure world.

00:32:32.600 That's not this one, that you are failing in this world, you are losing control.

00:32:38.620 And I think there is a background, there's a racial background to this or a demographic background to this, that white Americans feel like we're, we're, we're not in control.

00:32:49.080 This is increasingly not our country.

00:32:51.060 It's not about us anymore.

00:32:52.900 And that, that is white Protestant, small town values that we're out of step. 0.83

00:32:57.700 And so while they're losing in the real world, which they objectively are, and I have some sympathy for their plight.

00:33:06.100 Um, they, they imagine this kind of fantasy world where they're winning.

00:33:10.540 And so Q is about, you know,

00:33:14.140 So you, that's what you would expect that the, the religion of the dispossessed. 0.99

00:33:20.180 That's what this is.

00:33:21.040 It's the religion of the dis and. 0.99

00:33:22.900 And to a certain extent, BLM, uh, uh, attracts, uh, similar, those kinds, those kinds of, uh, ideas among, uh, among non white people.

00:33:31.560 And also I think among white people that are a bit excluded because it's a way of being unexcluded.

00:33:36.460 So, um, these people that they, they imagine that the world it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the traditional ruling class type white gentry, uh, who are actually in charge and evil. 0.98

00:33:46.960 Um, and we are pure and good.

00:33:48.880 And it's, and it's a way of getting more power, a way of climbing up the hierarchy to imagine that probably wrong thing.

00:33:54.700 Cause actually they are highly influential, but to, but to imagine that they're not.

00:33:58.220 And therefore to push even further in a woke direction, um, is a way for them to attain status, uh, um, and, uh, in, in that system, um, against what they see as all these evil racists that are behind every tree that are actually running.

00:34:11.980 And literally with them, the other way around, it's really, it's like Christianity. 0.89

00:34:16.140 We are the pure, we are the good.

00:34:17.680 The world has been taken over by our faults.

00:34:20.260 It's not anything intrinsically wrong with us that we're like, we are, it's because we are good that we don't do these evil things that you have to do to get into power because Satan gives you power.

00:34:28.820 Um, and, uh, and, and so we're going to, um, uh, we're going to, we're going to rise to the top and create a godly world.

00:34:36.200 And that's what they've got on their side.

00:34:37.800 And that motivates them.

00:34:39.160 And if you are a lot of these people in the news, because of not, we're not just polarized in terms of politics, but polarized in terms of social class, as Charles Murray set out in coming apart.

00:34:50.120 People don't have that much to do with people of different social classes now as all the clever people leave the towns and villages and rural states and whatever, and they all go to New York or Washington DC or whatever.

00:35:00.100 They have nothing to do with, they don't have conversations with people in diners in rural Virginia.

00:35:05.420 They have no idea how these people think.

00:35:09.820 Um, um, uh, they would never speak to them ever.

00:35:13.340 Um, I have spoken to them.

00:35:15.180 I have, I feel I have more than I do how they think.

00:35:17.340 Um, and, and, uh, you can see how it's attractive if you, if you're, if you're basketball with them.

00:35:24.040 I mean, you are a man.

00:35:25.680 No, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was African-Americans.

00:35:28.620 I'm talking about the, the, the, the white Americans.

00:35:31.860 Yeah.

00:35:32.140 I, um, I went to wrestling match in London, Kentucky, for example, in 2013 and, uh, spoke to many of them.

00:35:39.240 I was an out of town celebrity.

00:35:41.080 They wanted selfies with me, you know, being an English person for, it was fascinating.

00:35:45.300 Uh, uh, uh, they, they wanted Euro coins, which I had as souvenirs.

00:35:50.780 I gave, I gave it, I gave, I gave a Estonian Euro to somebody.

00:35:54.400 And then someone else heard about this and asked, well, can I have one please?

00:35:57.000 And I've never seen anything like this.

00:35:59.500 Well, I was, I said, Ed, what does, what does British money look like?

00:36:02.740 And I, and I, and I was like, well, I haven't got any of that, but I've got Euro.

00:36:05.760 This is from Estonia.

00:36:07.280 Estonia?

00:36:08.100 Yeah.

00:36:08.480 Where's Estonia?

00:36:09.240 Um, and anyway, so they don't have, they have no idea how they, how they think.

00:36:13.900 And you can see how this gives you something.

00:36:15.420 If you're a, if you're a greeter in a Walmart in, uh, nor rural North Carolina, you know,

00:36:22.000 this, this, this gives you something, this gives you a sense of importance and a sense

00:36:25.680 that you're part of something and whatever.

00:36:27.060 And so it's very attractive.

00:36:27.860 And I, and I think it's, it's not going to go away.

00:36:29.640 And even if, even though Trump has betrayed them, as far as I can see with his second

00:36:34.300 message, but where he basically had a go at them all, even though they were, well, I wouldn't

00:36:38.640 say they're following his instructions, but you can see how you've joined up the dots.

00:36:43.400 They kind of were.

00:36:44.340 Yeah.

00:36:44.560 They might've had to connect a dot or two, but kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of,

00:36:49.560 we're going to walk hand in hand down Pennsylvania Avenue and we're going to go encourage the

00:36:54.100 good senators and, you know, shame the bad ones. 1.00

00:36:57.160 I mean, that's what he said.

00:36:58.580 The real, there was this, um, I can't remember her name, but it's blonde haired real estate, 1.00

00:37:04.540 realtor, you know, estate agent.

00:37:06.540 And, um, she's going to be charged with something or other.

00:37:09.080 And, uh, she, she took a private jet to, to, to, to Washington to, to, to engage in this

00:37:14.860 protest.

00:37:15.300 And she's going to, and she's asking Trump to pardon her.

00:37:17.600 And she's saying, look, I followed your orders, Mr. President.

00:37:20.180 I, I, I did what I thought you wanted me to do by breaking into the Capitol.

00:37:24.740 And that's true.

00:37:25.420 They did.

00:37:26.400 And I think if he has any integrity, which he doesn't,

00:37:28.580 then he will, um, he will pardon them, which he won't.

00:37:32.100 He won't.

00:37:32.820 He, he, he, he, he also, Trump is a survivor in many ways.

00:37:38.960 Um, and I feel like he, he thinks that he, he recognizes when something is really bad and

00:37:45.380 he wants to hold out for 2024 or his presidential library or what have you.

00:37:50.960 And, um, he's, he's, he's not just going to go all in, he's not going to go all in on a coup

00:37:55.960 and he's not going to go all in on pardoning, uh, the revelers, uh, which might be the best

00:38:02.240 word for them.

00:38:03.140 Uh, but, uh, um, he, he's just not going to do it.

00:38:07.680 He's going to hold out and think that he'll survive and think that they'll still be loyal

00:38:11.260 to them to him, which, uh, they will.

00:38:13.140 Yeah.

00:38:13.480 I'll add this real quick.

00:38:14.520 I just noticed this last night.

00:38:16.020 I was watching some videos on it.

00:38:17.320 So there, there, there really is a divide between the true believers on the one hand

00:38:24.140 and the Trump team on, on the other, because, uh, basically according to Giuliani, who does

00:38:29.740 this, um, podcast that makes our podcast seem like very professional, um, but he, he does

00:38:40.260 his own podcast and, um, he was basically putting out the line that this was pre-planned.

00:38:47.900 So that perhaps the, the best thing to have said immediately after the event, if you had

00:38:55.440 any involvement with it, or you were a Trump fan is that they were out there to protest and,

00:39:02.300 you know, due to the intense emotions and maybe some, uh, you know, a little bit of drunkenness

00:39:09.200 on the side, the, it got out of control, but it was never a coup and, and so on.

00:39:15.460 Now, whether that will be believed, I don't know, but I, I think that is clearly the best

00:39:19.800 thing to say.

00:39:20.540 You, you just kind of lessen the intensity of it and you allow for some leniency to be

00:39:25.100 shown.

00:39:25.740 The problem is, is that there were people directing others, making orders, ordering them to go

00:39:32.820 places.

00:39:33.160 There was a guy who went into the Capitol with zip ties.

00:39:36.900 That is handcuffs and, you know, you don't just carry zip ties around like, you know,

00:39:45.120 I don't know, for bagging up leftovers or something.

00:39:47.420 I mean, you, at least, even if it were a LARP, you're LARPing in a way that is going to really

00:39:52.580 offend, uh, authorities.

00:39:54.820 And so anyway, Rudy Giuliani was saying this was pre-planned.

00:39:58.820 This was a bunch of loons who wanted to go sack the Capitol.

00:40:02.040 And therefore, because it was pre-planned, Trump couldn't incite it.

00:40:07.720 And so he is absolutely throwing them under the bus.

00:40:10.780 Um, I, I don't know.

00:40:13.420 I, I, I general, I mean, if I've, I've already made this prediction, but I, I think that this

00:40:17.620 is going to be taken seriously.

00:40:19.280 And, um, those people involved who were planning, even if they weren't planning sacking the Capitol.

00:40:26.340 And I think there were some people planning that, but even those who weren't planning sacking

00:40:30.720 the Capitol, but just wanted to shame the senators or what have you, I think they are

00:40:35.120 going to be, uh, prosecuted to the hilt.

00:40:39.860 Um, I think Trump will probably escape from this.

00:40:42.500 He might get impeached and might not be able to run again, but I don't think he'll be imprisoned

00:40:45.980 for it.

00:40:46.820 Uh, but I think a lot of the organizers and that all of this money was flowing around.

00:40:51.300 I mean, just hundreds of, I mean, more than 250 million in the whole stop the steal, you

00:40:57.600 know, movement, Trump raised 200 million.

00:41:00.580 There was tons of other money floating around.

00:41:03.160 I, I think the, the feds, this is just, imagine, imagine a riot like that, but with people who

00:41:09.760 are hungry, with people who are hungry, because that's what you would have got historically people

00:41:14.420 that haven't got enough food and then they're more aggressive and they react more instinctively.

00:41:19.780 And then they, they wouldn't, someone, the one of them being shot for trying to get in,

00:41:24.020 that wouldn't have stopped them.

00:41:25.300 They would have carried on and, and, and, and, you know, gone in and nothing to lose.

00:41:30.220 And it's when it gets to that, then things are really, really difficult.

00:41:33.700 And it, I think it will stop.

00:41:36.280 This is the start.

00:41:37.900 Yeah.

00:41:38.340 But they're not hungry.

00:41:39.380 I mean, you, there was a lot, you know, in the French revolution, I mean, a great deal

00:41:44.280 of it was about bread and, you know, um, perhaps even releasing prisoners from the Bastille,

00:41:50.200 even though there weren't very many in there.

00:41:52.740 Um, but this, these people aren't hungry.

00:41:56.200 You have, you, you certainly have lower class Americans, but you also have the kind of Americans,

00:42:01.800 like the person you were pointing out, a blonde woman from, where was she from? 0.97

00:42:05.360 Georgia or some, some Blair, but she, she is flying on her plane or jet even, uh, to this

00:42:13.440 rally, uh, someone like Marjorie Taylor green, who's the, uh, new Georgia Congresswoman who 0.99

00:42:19.540 is a Q and on believer of some kind.

00:42:22.760 Um, she is her, her, her husband has a big construction firm and they, they probably make

00:42:28.340 great money.

00:42:29.540 I mean, she had enough money to run for Congress that, that, that's different.

00:42:33.740 Yeah.

00:42:33.840 Those, those people are in it.

00:42:34.980 Their class isn't really about income in this sense.

00:42:38.140 It, because Marjorie Taylor green, even if she might be wealthy and, you know, drive a 0.99

00:42:43.320 Mercedes or whatever, I, I have no idea what she drives.

00:42:45.540 I'm just saying she might, um, or one of these equally expensive, big pickup trucks. 0.98

00:42:51.440 Um, she is not upper class. 0.67

00:42:55.620 Like you, you, you can look at her to be honest and listen to her speak for 30 seconds and place

00:43:03.280 her in a class.

00:43:04.300 I'm just being frank.

00:43:05.960 Well, you're saying that she's a sort of a working class person come good, like culturally.

00:43:10.740 Yeah.

00:43:11.240 I'm saying that class isn't necessarily about income.

00:43:14.460 No, I agree with you.

00:43:15.560 Yeah.

00:43:15.700 I mean, that's, it's, it's just that in America it's, it's, it is income is in a country that's

00:43:20.840 not proper health service.

00:43:21.740 Income is obviously very important, but it is true. 0.99

00:43:24.040 Yeah.

00:43:24.180 But a lot of social classes, um, in England, particularly we talk about this is you, you

00:43:28.920 get people who are born working class, they become rich.

00:43:31.680 And as far as a lot of English people were concerned, there's a degree to which they're

00:43:34.520 working class English people.

00:43:35.880 They have the values of working class people.

00:43:37.760 They have the accent. 0.51

00:43:38.640 They have the word choice.

00:43:40.200 They have the, the, the, the, the culture, whatever.

00:43:42.500 And so, yeah, so yeah, you would get people like that.

00:43:45.020 I agree.

00:43:45.620 And then you would get people that were born into the middle class and it's, they see it as

00:43:49.440 a means of getting status.

00:43:50.860 You know, you can try and get status through the BLM, through that system, or if you're

00:43:54.920 a bit different from that, you can try and get it through the, through the right.

00:43:57.620 And that, and it's, so that's, that's what it's in it for them.

00:44:00.040 Right.

00:44:00.500 Or the, my, the, my pillow guy who is, um, you know, a multimillionaire who's made, he 0.88

00:44:05.580 successfully made all these pillows that people like he's a total goofball.

00:44:10.880 I mean, you, I mean, no one, I mean, and this is the age of, I mean, this is at least 0.62

00:44:16.160 the time, the moment of goofballs where he's visiting the president on a regular basis.

00:44:20.800 And, um, uh, from what we can tell, bringing in a notebook in which he suggests using martial

00:44:26.300 law and, uh, so on to stay in power.

00:44:29.060 So this is their time.

00:44:31.360 What do you think is going to happen after this?

00:44:34.020 I won't say anything.

00:44:35.120 I'll let you take this.

00:44:36.920 So we have this, you know, Joe Biden's going to be inaugurated on the January 20th.

00:44:44.380 Let's be frank here.

00:44:46.540 That's happening.

00:44:47.720 Um, so what happens after that?

00:44:51.040 Is there just radical demoralization after this event, particularly in the coming months

00:44:57.040 where there's, cause they're not prosecuting anyone for sedition right now.

00:45:00.360 They're, they're getting them on, you know, vandalism and breaking and entering.

00:45:03.980 They will, that's the initial stage.

00:45:06.340 They will be prosecuting these people under sedition, seditious conspiracy, which they can

00:45:11.380 clearly be prosecuted under.

00:45:12.680 But do you think there's going to be radical demoralization or do you think this actually

00:45:19.420 won't end and that MAGA and even the Trump cult will kind of go on?

00:45:26.340 I hate making predictions like this cause then you get them wrong and then it comes, it's

00:45:30.540 thrown back in your face forever. 0.72

00:45:32.120 No, no, no, no, no. 0.83

00:45:33.040 When you get them right, you claim you're a genius.

00:45:35.660 And then when you get them wrong, you just don't talk about it.

00:45:38.520 Um, um, um, my suspicion is that, yeah, there will, there will be a, a period of increased

00:45:46.720 leftist tyranny.

00:45:48.360 Um, but, uh, but that eventually the polarization is so strong and based on what's happened in

00:45:54.980 civilizations previously, you wouldn't expect this to go away.

00:45:58.640 It's not, it's not, or get better.

00:46:00.440 It's not going to, we're not going to go back to being starry eyed people in the 1960s going

00:46:04.820 into space and, you know, this is out.

00:46:08.160 It's going to get, it's going to get worse.

00:46:09.820 And, um, I suspect that there'll be a period of left-wing celebrating and whatever, and

00:46:14.720 there'll be a period of people being, uh, as happens if you read Cognitive Dissonance

00:46:18.560 by Leon Festinger, there'll be a period of them sort of regrouping.

00:46:22.260 They'll work out why it happened such that it's Congress with their theology.

00:46:26.880 Um, because I think this is strong enough that it's not going to just break down.

00:46:30.720 Um, and, and this will, this will continue and there'll be this ongoing processes I think

00:46:35.380 of just under the surface of, of break up until America is a country in name only.

00:46:41.620 Um, there isn't really much of an America, um, and more and more distrust.

00:46:46.020 I think it's going to increase, um, and that's, it will just go on, increase until the things

00:46:51.880 which are causing low trust, uh, and the causing polarization are increasing.

00:46:57.220 Um, Corona has made it even worse.

00:46:59.600 You've got all these people that have, a few people that have made money off this basically

00:47:03.260 and lots and lots of people who are unemployed.

00:47:05.960 And in America, that means, you know, health insurance, which is particularly awful.

00:47:10.680 Um, and, um, uh, so there's a stress levels that are very, very high.

00:47:15.180 You can't even be ill during a pandemic because you can't afford it.

00:47:18.580 So, so yeah, I just think it'll continue to get worse.

00:47:21.460 Um, I don't want to make any more specific predictions than that.

00:47:24.460 Yeah.

00:47:25.040 I, I, I also agree.

00:47:27.660 I, I think Trump is his goose is cooked.

00:47:32.140 I, I don't think I was actually thinking that he was going to have a second act or maybe

00:47:39.300 it's his sixth or seventh act at this point.

00:47:42.960 Um, I, I'm beginning to think that his goose is cooked, but I think the, a lot of the craziness

00:47:51.020 that was unleashed under his watch, I don't think he's actually a cause of any of this.

00:47:55.800 I, I think he's a symptom of it.

00:47:57.300 I think he was riding a wave and did not create it.

00:48:00.060 He catalyzed it if anything, but I think the kookiness will get kookier and there's going

00:48:06.460 to be some real powerful fault points in this, because as I was saying, QAnon is a resentment 1.00

00:48:14.300 religion.

00:48:14.880 It is a religion about being out of power and imagining this magical world where they are

00:48:21.440 in power and that bespeaks a certain type, a certain population that is not in control.

00:48:29.460 And I don't think they're going to get in control.

00:48:31.600 They weren't able to get in control at all with Trump.

00:48:34.980 Um, and they're kind of this grasping for martial law or sacking the Capitol or whatever

00:48:40.480 is just spasmodic, you know, animals backed up against the wall. 0.98

00:48:45.720 But I think their religion will become goofier and it's a kind of ersatz Christianity. 1.00

00:48:51.080 I think it will kind of develop maybe even with Trump as a, as a kind of Jesus figure, 0.90

00:48:56.220 a fallen hero, a God on a cross, uh, and so on.

00:49:00.280 I don't think it's going to go away at all.

00:49:03.220 And, um, facts never mattered to it.

00:49:06.120 So why would they matter to it now?

00:49:08.000 You know, it's like, I don't know what, you know, so I, I think it's going to grow.

00:49:13.740 I think there will be, and I, and I predicted this in my election report.

00:49:17.780 Um, I, I think there are going to be some problems in the left because, you know, a lot

00:49:24.980 of, a lot of conservative commentators will, will just say this and it will be kind of like

00:49:30.120 the left.

00:49:30.980 So racist, basically it will be, you know, the, the only thing that unites the left is that 0.98

00:49:35.500 they hate white males or whatever. 0.79

00:49:37.020 You hear this from Ann Coulter or whatever, obviously there's, there's, there's something 0.94

00:49:41.420 to that, but I think that the, the bigger fissure really is between a far left BLM left

00:49:50.580 which genuinely wants to defund the police, which genuinely wants a form of black nationalism 0.90

00:49:57.220 and not just identity politics and the kind of fake woke manner of, you know, diverse diversity 0.55

00:50:04.620 and affirmative action and hiring, you know, a Indian transgendered lesbian to your law firm 1.00

00:50:11.060 or whatever. 1.00

00:50:11.480 Not that bull crap. 0.99

00:50:13.520 Um, but real identity politics, something that actually is going to fissure the country. 0.99

00:50:18.620 There are those forces on the left and whether, then there's also the kind of Bloomberg Biden

00:50:25.240 forces that are pro capitalism, pro America, managerial elite, pro police to say the least.

00:50:33.460 I mean, look at Biden's career.

00:50:35.480 Um, and I, I do think there is going to be a problem there.

00:50:39.220 And I, and at least my sense is that Biden might have kind of a short honeymoon period

00:50:45.000 where we're all happy, you know, they're all happy that Trump is gone.

00:50:48.860 Um, and then these fissures kind of reassert themselves because the, the left due to demographics

00:50:55.480 and due to Trump to a large extent due to other factors, the left is poised to be a hegemonic

00:51:01.420 party.

00:51:01.740 I mean, they are in charge, they're barely in charge of the Senate by the skin of their

00:51:06.720 teeth, but they are in charge of Congress.

00:51:08.560 They have the white house and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future. 0.87

00:51:14.160 I don't see another red wave coming.

00:51:16.420 And I certainly don't see Trump 2024 or Ivanka 2024 with the hell, whatever the hell they're

00:51:22.260 going to burp out there.

00:51:24.260 Um, so I think they are poised to have a kind of hegemony, but I, I think they're going

00:51:28.540 to be tripped up by real strong divisions in their party.

00:51:32.900 But on the longterm, I, I agree with you and Turchin.

00:51:36.020 I mean, um, you know, look, I want a stable society.

00:51:40.680 I have children who live in the society.

00:51:43.140 I don't want chaos, but I do feel that within my lifetime, I'm probably going to see the

00:51:49.360 end of the American empire.

00:51:52.800 Yes.

00:51:53.480 Um, um, you, that you, you will, you will realize what I've said all along, which is that

00:51:57.680 1776 was one of the biggest mistakes you could possibly have made.

00:52:01.260 And that's, uh, that's that.

00:52:04.020 I mean, basically get, get, get a load of fundamentalist Protestants that are fundamentalist, even by

00:52:07.780 the standards of the 1600s and are paranoid about devils and see devils everywhere and

00:52:11.520 give them their own country.

00:52:12.580 What could go wrong?

00:52:13.480 Um, uh.

00:52:27.680 Um, uh.

00:52:41.460 We'll be right back.

00:53:11.460 We'll be right back.

RadixJournal - January 20, 2021

QAnon And The End Of The American Century

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