RadixJournal - Radix Live -- Ed, Keith, Richard, and special guest Sean Last.

00:00:00.000 hello everyone welcome back to the long-awaited return of radix live good morning good afternoon

00:00:15.460 good night wherever you are around the world we're glad you are with us i'm going to be doing

00:00:21.520 some more of these uh first off i will start with ed ed how are you doing you're looking a little

00:00:29.660 blue but i think that's just the shade of your camera i don't know what that i don't know what

00:00:36.080 that's uh what that's been caused by but uh no i'm not i'm not uh i'm not blue no i'm i'm reasonably

00:00:41.620 chipper because of course i'm in one of the few countries that doesn't really have a lockdown

00:00:45.480 so i've i've you know i've i'm not uh i'm not locked in the house and depressed or anything

00:00:51.100 like that i went out earlier snowing uh and uh yeah that's what's been that's what's been going on

00:00:56.400 here yes okay that's good we don't have a huge lot i mean i think there are a lockdown in

00:01:02.960 in some places around the u.s but uh things are pretty much back to normal with mask uh but i

00:01:10.640 think we're going to get back to normal pretty soon in terms of i i i really think the coronavirus

00:01:15.880 is subsiding you know hospitalizations are down uh deaths are down it's all good good news um keith

00:01:26.180 how are you doing um i just put you on mute but you actually sound good now we were getting a little

00:01:32.720 feedback from your mic i'm very disappointed your tech setup seems to be declining much like western

00:01:40.220 civilization but um it's okay now so how are you doing yeah not too bad not too bad we do have a

00:01:50.960 quite a harsh lockdown here and yeah it's getting very uh very tiresome but uh yeah i have a harsh

00:01:57.260 lockdown going okay yeah level five full-on lockdown and they're even i think they're uh they're they're

00:02:04.000 they're giving people like the worst case scenario they're talking about not ending until like may

00:02:08.200 i i don't know i think i to be honest i think we're getting a lot more um pessimistic predictions

00:02:14.720 from the media and the politicians than will actually happen like we're getting close to where

00:02:20.080 there's going to be a flood of vaccines i just think the some of the projections they have i think

00:02:24.320 are kind of worst case scenario well you know one thing that i would say that is that it's like

00:02:31.700 there was this talk in the over the the fall of we need to we we need to reach herd immunity and there

00:02:40.380 was a certain kind of darwinian cruelty that was being some sometimes explicitly suggested by people

00:02:46.380 which is that we you know these viruses come throughout world history let's just take it let's

00:02:53.200 just take the hit now as opposed to extending it with all these lockdowns um and and some of them

00:03:00.280 would mention that we didn't solve the problem definitively like we could have um when it first

00:03:06.380 began as as china did um but uh the thing is i mean i i think there there is a good case to be made for

00:03:14.840 that but at the end of the day vaccines and social distancing are kind of part of herd immunity i mean

00:03:22.440 herd immunity does not mean that we all get it or something like that in some kind of quasi-suicidal

00:03:29.260 you know phoenix fire where we'll rise from it uh it basically means that the there there the virus

00:03:37.360 is not reaching enough people to reproduce at the high rate that it was so if it's encountering people

00:03:44.540 who have been vaccinated if it's not encountering potential new hosts through just mask wearing or

00:03:50.740 some basic social distancing we are getting to herd immunity i mean herd immunity is the goal it's even

00:03:56.480 the goal of the cdc and so on effectively even though they might not say that uh so i i do think that

00:04:03.620 things are going to get better very soon um i i think certainly by the fall things are going to be

00:04:10.720 pretty okay um even you know white males like myself might get vaccinated in the coming months i remember

00:04:18.180 looking at the list and i was like way down it uh but uh i was below the homeless it goes back to

00:04:26.020 vaccinate the homeless vaccinate nazis right so that's really really well there's you know there's

00:04:31.720 there's dogs and then cats yeah and then people who have already died of coronavirus will be vaccinated

00:04:38.940 and then it's yeah exactly yeah and then it's oh yeah um so anyway uh but generally speaking i am

00:04:50.180 optimistic i i think we are kind of getting out of this and i think a lot of the um i guess i mean to

00:04:56.880 be cruel about it the kind of low-hanging fruit has been picked people with serious conditions uh or who

00:05:04.060 caught this who are who are elderly have already either survived or died of the coronavirus and

00:05:10.600 those are the people who are most affected so it's been a it's been a catastrophe i don't want to

00:05:14.760 diminish it you know morally speaking but i do think that we're we're headed out hopefully you can

00:05:20.880 hear me better now i have my proper mic set up is that okay it sounds pretty good yeah a little

00:05:26.320 i was gonna say like the one of the reasons i think it'll end sooner than they're projecting is

00:05:33.020 because uh like israel has more people vaccinated than anywhere but it was kind of interesting looking

00:05:38.280 at the results from israel because when you vaccinated the most vulnerable uh half a percent

00:05:43.680 of the population the death rate was down by 50 percent so i mean once they have the i mean it's

00:05:49.260 you know the death rate is only like what 0.3 percent anywhere or something once they have the

00:05:53.460 vulnerable groups uh vaccinated i mean the death rate will effectively be zero uh and that i mean

00:05:59.420 in the uk they're pretty close to that already so i mean by the middle of marriage you're going to have

00:06:05.040 all the vulnerable groups vaccinated in most western countries you've got two more vaccines coming

00:06:09.700 the johnson johnson one is like one shot so i mean by the middle of marriage it's feasible that like

00:06:14.860 all the vulnerable groups be vaccinated will effectively be zero deaths and vaccines available for

00:06:20.940 almost everyone that wants them so even though they're projected lockdowns right into the summer

00:06:24.940 i think it's going to be fairly unjustifiable i mean i know people say it's unjustifiable already but

00:06:30.440 once there's basically zero deaths i'm not sure they can continue with them as draconian as

00:06:35.740 then they start saying but then they start saying oh well there's a new strain of corona

00:06:41.020 and the vaccine i think but i think i there are new strains but the new strains are largely like

00:06:46.640 media hype i mean so far i think the vaccines have been effective against all these new strains

00:06:51.500 all right well i was thinking imagine if this is a new type of virus

00:06:55.860 if corona is a new type of virus the new a new uh form and then you're going to have this

00:07:02.320 increasingly genetically sick population that has to put more of its bioenergetic resources into

00:07:07.300 fighting off the virus because it's so sick and so they're less good at fighting off the virus and

00:07:12.380 then they're increasingly in an evolutionary mismatch and whatever and they're increasingly fat and

00:07:16.300 unhealthy then um so they can't fight off the virus and so and so i wonder if it could go on i i find

00:07:24.000 that i think it's a bit too optimistic i like being optimistic in the long run in the short run

00:07:28.960 interesting i'm i'm slightly concerned this is a bit overly optimistic i could i could we were all told

00:07:33.520 in england three we would have i live there but you know what i mean three weeks to save the nhs

00:07:38.160 that was a year ago three week lockdown to save the nhs you've had the savaging regeneration of

00:07:43.400 school children who are going to have to go to school during the summer or whatever to catch up

00:07:46.980 you've had this this uh psychological um impairment uh put on people that are already you know messed

00:07:54.540 up and living in a way they shouldn't be living you've had all these neurotics and whatever i i don't

00:07:58.640 know i don't know if it's over i'm not sure it's over well i don't think the ultimate effects are over

00:08:02.940 i mean one thing that i was suggesting we we talk about when sean last joins us is the birth dearth

00:08:08.660 uh there was a lot of talk of a baby boom uh when the lockdown started because you know you have

00:08:15.920 nothing else to do might as well just go have sex uh but actually the opposite is is the case

00:08:23.520 and in the united states there's actually there's according to the brookings institute which is this

00:08:28.020 you know center-left think tank in washington dc there's been 300 000 fewer deaths than there

00:08:35.060 otherwise would have been so um yeah i don't think this is a trauma that i i i don't it's a lot like

00:08:44.400 9 11 or something i mean the the radiation from this trauma is going to go through another decade

00:08:53.160 of life and yeah i think i think they got the calculations badly wrong in terms of quality of

00:08:59.700 life and how it's affecting people i mean you know for i mean if you look at like the level of

00:09:05.500 uh increase in suicide and mental health problems especially among young people like

00:09:10.460 i don't know i i think in in hindsight i mean at the time like when we were looking at a year ago

00:09:15.300 they could have potentially done what china did i mean a country like ireland could have easily done it

00:09:19.900 closed its borders harsh lockdown for a month effectively eliminated uh no immigration to the

00:09:25.160 country after i mean that's what china did china has like 80 cases a day for a country of 1.3 billion

00:09:30.740 people just because it hit it so hard early on and it closed the borders but i mean the stop start

00:09:35.520 lockdown of going in and out of complete like everything bar essential services closed i don't

00:09:43.080 think a year of it was worth it at this stage i mean it was like they were kind of in two minds it's

00:09:46.660 like remember the uk government we're talking about doing herd immunity and then there was a

00:09:50.440 backlash yeah and then it's you know it's just been this middle of the road thing where there's

00:09:55.240 there's restrictions for a while but they're not effective enough to do anything long term and

00:09:59.880 then the numbers come back up and then it's back into a harsh lockdown oh it's the you know

00:10:06.020 what are the conservatives of the 1950s the middle of the road leads to socialism but i mean i i think

00:10:11.460 middle of the road leads to unhappiness you have to just hit it hard just slam it to the ground

00:10:19.860 if you're going to do something and i would have been totally fine with you know six weeks of just

00:10:26.480 absolute pain um if we could then kind of reasonably come out of it but i mean i think the what

00:10:33.640 coronavirus has shown is just this inability of western governments to a have the authority to do

00:10:41.340 the things that china did uh be uh to have the kind of coherence as a ruling class to do what china

00:10:48.500 did i mean the american response has been totally polarized i mean i don't want to sound like msnbc here

00:10:54.160 but it's like donald trump was in full-on alex jones mode for two months when the virus was coming

00:11:01.340 claiming that it was nothing it's a democrat hoax it's whatever people were saying oh it's just the you

00:11:07.680 know the common cold or it's nothing or it's a uh bio weapon sent from north korea or iran i mean

00:11:13.800 people were wacky about it and the governments were not really able to have a the authority or

00:11:22.040 the willpower just to shut it down i think it says something about the governments i mean it kind of

00:11:26.980 tells us something under this stress what have we learned about these governments they're they're

00:11:32.000 actually and they were it's funny like they were too weak to do either one they could have been

00:11:35.800 yeah i think either one would have been better just like very little restriction sweden model like

00:11:40.700 go for herd immunity or complete lockdown for six weeks chai comm style you know kick down people's

00:11:46.520 apartment doors to swab their anus either we're lock we are gonna solder you into your apartment you

00:11:53.900 cannot leave like we're just gonna go to full-on badass or the kind of viking solution of like

00:11:59.780 they didn't have they didn't let the balls do either one because the uk the uk did actually

00:12:04.400 commit to doing uh herd immunity and little restrictions and then yeah backlash it backtracks

00:12:10.380 so it's like you know there's not enough balls to go one way or the other and it's just yeah

00:12:14.620 middle of the road solution that pleases nobody yeah but then what could they do i mean china is not

00:12:20.200 an individualistic country in any way individualism is suppressed and individualism includes things like

00:12:26.060 individual harm avoidance and equality and all that there was a part time when it was like that

00:12:31.020 in the 60s or whatever but it's it's not like that anymore it's utterly conformist it's focused on

00:12:35.460 group values and we've spent the last 60 years suppressing group values and saying everyone should

00:12:40.020 be an individual to the point where you select what um sexual orientation you you select what gender

00:12:45.760 you are and you're so unique that you have a gender that nobody else has uh and that's mandated and

00:12:51.740 they're in the midst of that chaos then suddenly oh we all need to be group oriented and clap for the

00:12:56.320 nhs and conform and don't look after the individual look after the society it's not going to work and

00:13:01.820 it's particularly not going to work it's somewhere like america where you've already got this utterly

00:13:05.600 balkanized society anyway balkanized along regional lines along racial lines along class lines um with

00:13:13.000 conspiracy theories and you know nobody trusting anybody so there's that and so you can't do it's very

00:13:18.140 hard to do anything at a national level anyway because of the way you're set up and then and

00:13:22.300 due to federalism in the sense that the states were the ones actually making these decisions under

00:13:27.680 federal guidelines so yes keep going so it's complicated and then also you've got i mean china

00:13:33.180 has a tendency to pretty didn't used to and there is corruption in china of course but it has a tendency

00:13:37.880 to at least in theory want to promote its best people it has yeah okay there is corruption but they

00:13:43.260 want to promote their best their best people whereas america doesn't america wants to promote

00:13:47.020 somebody because they're a woman or because they're black or because they're transsexual or

00:13:51.300 whatever not it's best so you get the the the non-best people in charge in a time of crisis

00:13:57.080 in a country that's ravaged with individualism so i don't think asking for trouble really and they

00:14:03.380 should have um i hope this is that act as a warning but i don't think it will act as a warning

00:14:08.580 well let's say this um we are doing super chats and i am very happy to say that we have gotten

00:14:19.500 a lot uh so this is um really inspiring so it is um entropy stream dot live slash radix live uh is where

00:14:33.000 you should go uh you could go maybe the easiest thing to do is to go to my twitter uh profile uh

00:14:41.380 twitter.com it's a website it's now very boring but um you can look uh there i have the link to it

00:14:49.620 and you can donate that way um so first off um a man named roman gave us 500 bucks so uh thank you my

00:15:00.600 man i really appreciate that and i will definitely get in touch and um so obviously there's some people

00:15:07.780 who are um demanding that we do more of the stuff so i i think that is uh very good uh the next one

00:15:16.660 is 10 just curious why are you not having a regular scheduled daily podcast like fuentes it pays to uh

00:15:23.800 it pays too i assume this way you can build a movement without major risk you have a good brand

00:15:29.440 but no online presence um yes yes and no uh you could say i'm not sure i'm gonna do the full

00:15:39.100 coffee mug thing uh uh keith i think might have been the one who tweeted that out there's just this

00:15:45.460 weird like meme or something in the air where people under the age of 27 uh have coffee mugs green

00:15:56.900 screens and then these kind of goofy you know america first renew britannia or orthodoxy first

00:16:04.260 or what was the one in russian i don't i don't speak russian it was like russian patriotism now or

00:16:09.940 something like that there is this weird thing and i think probably zoomers might like this and i think

00:16:15.500 older conservatives love this because older conservatives salivate whenever there's some

00:16:20.800 young person who says what they want to hear this is the kind of charlie kirk effect of like you know

00:16:25.940 we want to get the yo we want to turn the young people into boomers um but i i probably am not

00:16:32.560 going to do five days a week at any point um first off i think it's good to kind of um have a little

00:16:38.300 bit of a break and uh i don't want to spread myself too thin i'm kind of focusing on editing and doing

00:16:45.380 some other bigger projects that are i'm very uh including my own writing and then also working with

00:16:51.600 mark brauman and ed and others to do these bigger books that i think are going to be really impactful

00:16:56.720 and um the other thing is that i have a supporter group and i do two live streams a week but it's all

00:17:02.400 private so uh you got to be part of the club uh so anyway but i do appreciate the comments and

00:17:09.440 clearly there's a lot of demand for this okay mike gave us a hundred greetings from california

00:17:14.340 wow thank you mike uh i will definitely be in touch um okay by the way i will be launching

00:17:20.720 i will be launching ireland first with oh i've got my suits ordered i've got a i've got some

00:17:29.260 branded mugs coming with a truck color on them a green screen oh that's that's that's just amazing

00:17:36.660 it should be turtlenecks first perhaps because that's what you're really about yeah before ireland

00:17:41.880 turtleneck blazer um okay so here's a question he's gonna be my co-host oh that's that would be

00:17:51.040 wonderful that i i would not um he seems like a really yes he is uh full-on i i i think he just

00:18:00.060 seems like a really trustworthy individual who would never conceivably stab you in the back or

00:18:06.820 attempt to steal your audience uh so that sounds like a great um and has no idea what we're talking

00:18:15.680 about do you what are you talking about what is this i'm not well it's the fuentes phenomenon i mean

00:18:21.440 look i fuentes has kind of driven me up a tree for years but you know the fact is he kind of

00:18:30.360 like he became the alt-right i mean that that griper thing kind of became the alt-right i for better and

00:18:39.200 for worse and i i think from my perspective or worse but i'm not gonna deny reality so richard so

00:18:47.020 richard but i think it's kind of coming crashing down to be honest when you were like when you were

00:18:52.180 like 13 14 years old were you like that like that nick frantes car you like no i was like skateboarding

00:18:59.240 or playing baseball i was not boomer broadcasting about politics when i was well it would have been

00:19:05.620 the early 90s though wouldn't it so you i think he's older than 14 to be fair produced produced like

00:19:10.800 22 or 23 and printed it and distributed it to your friends it would have been more limited in scope

00:19:16.240 right i mean i was very young in the early 90s when i was 13 so when i was in my early 20s

00:19:22.220 uh i actually did do a couple of magazine writing when i um some kind of right-wing zine uh stuff

00:19:30.960 but mainly when i was that age i was not i did not i was not so pretentious as to uh express opinions

00:19:39.800 on politics i mean i i was actually reading more but i was in graduate school but i things have just

00:19:46.700 changed i mean that that was pre-social media in the early 2000s when the internet was it was just a

00:19:52.900 different thing it was mainly pornography uh yeah but it was a a subtle um form of pornography where

00:20:03.180 it was the porn it would load you know slowly you were you were like five so porn would load slowly

00:20:12.740 down the screen through a dial-up so it would almost be a kind of strip tease you'd have to

00:20:17.500 wait for it and i think uh i think i've seen i've seen this through the simpsons uh

00:20:23.820 right so much has been lost we we should return to tradition of dial-up porn and yeah the what

00:20:33.000 she'll just slowly undress as the page loads over the course of say 10 to 15 minutes

00:20:38.340 i mean in some ways i'm serious that was better if someone's on the internet in your house if

00:20:44.620 someone's on the internet in your house you can't use the telephone telephone's a game you can't be

00:20:48.720 telephone right the internet as well mom he knocked me off the internet again page is half

00:20:54.480 what are you doing um all right uh white future even like aside from pointes it's funny what a big

00:21:05.460 industry there is for like daily shows of people just kind of talking about what's going on not

00:21:11.960 even anything insightful like sargon has another podcast now where he just kind of it is just that

00:21:16.860 like just like two hours a day we're gonna like look at what the sjw's are up to today i guess tim

00:21:22.840 pool is probably the worst i know i never watched tim pool but i think that's his thing as well it's

00:21:27.080 just like you'll never guess what the dems are up to now yeah well i could go into this because

00:21:32.320 this is an interesting topic so tim pool from what i understand is the number one right wing

00:21:39.020 commentator on youtube and that in itself is horrifying um he is i i think even saying mediocre

00:21:49.220 is is actually would be a compliment um he has nothing going for him he kind of presents himself as a

00:21:56.920 i'm a former liberal and now i'm just so hacked at what the uh dems are up to uh but the the thing

00:22:04.340 about him that i think makes it worse is i guess two things first off he is offering copium he is a

00:22:12.560 copium dealer to his audience so he kind of presents himself as the nice liberal this is very different

00:22:19.080 than rush limbaugh who we if we have time we can talk about it but he presents himself as a copium dealer

00:22:23.660 where he's like i'm a liberal i don't know what's going on but you know is trump gonna win i don't

00:22:28.620 know probably not but i think he is gonna win actually like it's it's as weird he'd win 50 states

00:22:33.580 he did but after he after the election he was he was dealing in all this like trump's a genius and

00:22:40.640 he's gonna do this um but the the thing that i would i've noticed the occasional times that i've seen

00:22:47.480 him i saw him debate like david pacman uh who's this highly intelligent though kind of off-the-shelf

00:22:54.980 liberal um he misrepresents issues to the point where it is worse than mediocre it is you are

00:23:04.480 he's destroying knowledge and i find that actually really i i find that extremely annoying and and

00:23:14.360 and contemptible uh he misrepresents pretty much every issue that he talks about um to the point

00:23:23.020 that his audience is less knowledgeable of reality than when they began and i don't say that lightly i

00:23:31.000 would not say that about a lot of i don't i would not say that about ben shapiro for instance i mean

00:23:36.260 he does not misrepresent what he is talking about he has his own perspective tim pool it misrepresents

00:23:43.140 it is misinformation and i i think that's just awful i think we were talking about this yesterday

00:23:49.180 a little bit but it'll be interesting to see what happens to some of these people without trump

00:23:53.540 i mean like it's our a few of them have already kind of suffered but the the deep platform has hurt

00:23:58.740 people like us somewhat but it's hurt the alt-lide types a lot more because their whole thing was

00:24:03.020 like you know in the case of milo like he's getting coverage from mainstream sources and he's

00:24:08.060 getting support and so on but like when someone like him is off twitter and youtube that's kind

00:24:12.000 made for him because he doesn't have like a dedicated audience he doesn't have like

00:24:16.180 milo radicals that whatever the hell he believes in that are going to follow him and see what he's

00:24:20.960 doing so you know it's like what's molyneux up to now what's gavin mcginnis up to now does anyone

00:24:26.400 know i have no idea even in the case of i thought it was interesting with sticks hexenhammer because he

00:24:31.140 was feeding copium as well about trump but um you know he spent weeks saying that the election was

00:24:36.720 illegitimate and then he did this video where he was like yeah there's no reason to be blackpilled

00:24:42.260 now because uh we can spend the next few years like making memes making fun of biden and the

00:24:47.680 democrat agenda and like there's lots of things we can be doing like focusing on our life and

00:24:51.780 gardening and it was like 50 50 likes dislikes and his audience were pissed off because they're like

00:24:56.000 you know you've told us like democracy is illegitimate and we're living under tyranny and it's like

00:25:00.540 what are we going to do except like revolt or have a revolution or something and you're just telling us to

00:25:05.020 like get on with it and can i say uh the the advantage of being uh red pilled rather than

00:25:11.080 purple pill um is that if you're red pilled you have the advantage of the fact that you're actually

00:25:15.980 telling the truth right um these people these cycle hexenhombas and uh would be their funny names

00:25:22.640 they they they they they don't have that advantage they're in that sort of jordan peterson zone of

00:25:28.320 of telling the empirical truth up to a point because steady on right we still we still want to get our

00:25:34.560 invites to the local residents association or whatever equivalent these people have of the

00:25:38.100 local residents association when they're in their 20s in america and so so they don't they that's the

00:25:42.940 thing so if they're removed from these platforms well what have they got that they're they they are

00:25:47.020 sort of circus performers without a circus um and there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing

00:25:53.180 there there's it's just they can't no one's watching them juggle anymore whereas you if you're if

00:25:58.080 you're pursuing the inaccurate understanding of the world you're going to do that from some form or

00:26:02.640 other uh and so you could sort of carry on and so that's that's how i see it like with and i also

00:26:07.160 find that when there was someone on his show this cycle hikes the hammer uh who said oh you should

00:26:13.020 you should get in touch with me then all these people got in touch and said oh this this person

00:26:18.100 this stikes what's the city name it is um sticks hexenhammer 666 yeah he's got long hair yeah yeah i won't

00:26:26.720 bash him because he's he's always he's had me on he's yeah he's very unlike the other alt-right

00:26:33.880 people who are you should get in touch but he was also with that person um ram zed paul oh i can't

00:26:41.040 stand that guy i know he said some very silly things when i went on his show yeah um so yeah so

00:26:45.980 i'm not uh i'm not uh i don't have time for these people as you say if they're taken off their

00:26:50.280 platforms and they've got nothing to say because they're not really saying anything anyway they're

00:26:53.580 sugarcoating they're going slightly far enough they can be edgy but without being having something

00:27:00.440 more important underneath which is genuine right and that was a trump thing or like lauren southern

00:27:05.540 who did i mean i have to say kind of did misrepresent some aspects of reality but there's kind of like

00:27:12.000 when there was the trump when there was the trump phenomenon and you had nationalism as the mainstream

00:27:17.720 of the party and then you had the alt-right in 2015 through 17 as this you know oh wow they're

00:27:24.460 white nationalists spencer's talking about the ethno state they're you know whatever there we were the

00:27:30.260 bad boys we're the punk of this movement and someone like lauren southern or tim pool or cassandra

00:27:38.840 fairbanks or whoever we're talking about they they could be this kind of like mediating stage of like

00:27:45.140 i'm getting energized by the alt-right but i'm you know supposedly more mainstream or something

00:27:51.780 but once they lose that alt-right energy they they also kind of have nothing they're not energized by

00:27:59.740 anything they're energized by making fun of sjw's well i hate to break it to you but ben shapiro also

00:28:05.420 makes fun of njw's and he is the number one person on facebook so like you know what are you doing

00:28:13.480 what what are you doing you're an alternative conservative who says pretty much the same

00:28:17.960 thing they also they also like you like also they also like having a go at muslims they like doing

00:28:25.080 that right um and being grotesquely offensive to them right we're personally offended speaking as

00:28:31.120 muslims yeah we are as muslims yeah yeah they're upset by that um but they can't even do they can't

00:28:37.460 you don't want to make us upset but they can't even really do that note censorship because it was

00:28:42.560 yeah yeah it's funny because trump was kind of a renegade in 2016 so like if you were defending

00:28:47.440 trump in 16 you kind of could be like an edgy conservative saying edgy things but as trump

00:28:52.480 got more and more mainstream by the time it got to 2020 they were just like indistinguishable from

00:28:57.840 fox news or any other conservative outlet yeah and that's where there's another there's another

00:29:05.200 aspect to this which is that you know fuentes due to the train that he got on involved himself in

00:29:16.480 things that were much more radical than the alt-right of yore and so i mean fuentes kind of came onto the

00:29:24.620 scene in 2017 and then over the course of 2018 and 2019 he became kind of the dominant voice of this

00:29:32.900 where it's kind of like oh the alt-right that's all that will never win because it's too edgy and

00:29:38.320 and you can't tell the truth you have to be ironic i mean he would say this explicitly um which is a

00:29:44.120 rather odd thing to say but anyway it's it's it's exceedingly odd to say that in fact that you're oh i'm

00:29:51.360 not i'm lying i'm not telling the truth i'm just being ironic they you can't do that you can't win

00:29:56.020 but the odd thing is that by 2020 with trump and the stop the steal movement they they got on this

00:30:03.740 train track that led them to ultimately serious radicalism i mean to go back to the six hexade

00:30:10.580 and everything if you are claiming that the election is stolen by the democrats or the chinese or

00:30:19.100 the the voting system or whatever then i mean i'm sorry but you almost do have to go revolt i mean

00:30:26.760 what else are they doing is q anon real i mean you you are not living in a legitimate society you're

00:30:33.440 you're living in this tyranny you you might have to go engage in an insurrection you can do you can do

00:30:39.700 the nixon thing of when they just when that there was this journalist wasn't there that basically

00:30:43.740 discovered that it was stolen and yeah yeah and nixon actually did his best to keep this under wraps

00:30:50.200 he said look our republic we can't cope with this happening now right yeah so i don't want anything

00:30:55.540 to do with it how graceful of him but that's well he's a president though i mean but he wasn't president

00:31:01.980 then you mean kennedy well he wasn't a president excuse me yeah there were huge irregularities in

00:31:08.020 chicago believe it or not and i think actually in in lbj texas they're similar as well yeah exactly

00:31:13.440 yeah and even there was a journalist that discovered basically proved that the election

00:31:17.040 was stolen and nixon said i don't want you to go public with this well okay so nixon wasn't he

00:31:22.760 was vice president to be correct um with the election of 1960 but nixon thought of himself as

00:31:29.700 a statesman i mean he was kind of a right-wing rabble rouser on one level to be sure but he thought of

00:31:35.400 himself as as a statesman and he didn't feel like people could cope i mean even with the pentagon

00:31:41.420 papers he didn't feel like i mean that was in some ways a revelations about lbj and he felt like

00:31:49.300 we can't have this people can't deal with these kinds of wiki leaks like things but that that's

00:31:56.540 a president look trump is the opposite trump created insane controversies where there really was no

00:32:03.520 controversy i mean he lost the election for really predictable reasons but if you are whipping up

00:32:10.880 this kind of insanity i mean 70 of the republicans believe that the election wasn't valid if you're

00:32:16.260 whipping up this kind of insanity then what else is there to do but engage in an insurrection and so

00:32:22.660 i mean the kind of irony of of nick fuentes is that the the initial meme was that we're just going to

00:32:30.780 blend into the scenery of the gop and we'll just kind of win you know through through through being

00:32:36.080 sneaky and you know attaching ourselves to trump and etc but attaching yourself to that alt mainstream

00:32:44.320 so to speak meant attaching yourself to ali akbar attaching yourself to alex jones and ultimately

00:32:51.140 rooting on a insurrection and saying things in a bullhorn we've taken the capital we're not leaving

00:32:59.620 until donald trump's president that is going to get you arrested my friend uh but it was this weird

00:33:05.420 thing where kind of the mainstream dragged him into radicalness

00:33:11.500 um anyway speaking of that what are your all's opinions on um generation identitaire so i can share my screen

00:33:26.720 here a little bit um there's a interesting um there's some interesting video

00:33:32.600 uh coming out of paris so generation um generation identity generation identitaire and i believe this

00:33:42.540 the french group was the original one um is as you can see they have hundreds of people if not

00:33:51.120 thousands in the center of paris

00:33:54.460 this is the major work the identitarians the major academic anthropological work

00:34:05.380 on generation identity what i was given by the author who's a portuguese academic and asked to review

00:34:13.220 interesting yeah i i have to say i don't i don't really understand what all the fuss is about

00:34:21.900 so it's written in english that book that book is written in english it's about the french movement

00:34:27.180 about the italian movement about the british movement about the movements in different parts of europe

00:34:31.260 yeah um and i i have to say i don't know what all the fuss is about that's my my

00:34:37.680 my view on it it seems to be much more focused on france for a start which is probably why it's been

00:34:44.200 it's it's had it's had more trouble in france um and it's uh it's basically this uh

00:34:51.180 the the key focus is being anti-islamic which is why it's very strange that this uh president of

00:34:58.760 france is is currently making his whole campaign on being anti-islamic uh and to the extent that he's

00:35:05.440 accused marine le pen of being soft on islam right and yet what and yet and yet and yet and yet and

00:35:12.720 yet at the same time he he's um he's banning a group which is fundamentally uh um anti-islamic i

00:35:19.920 mean it's against other things as well i mean this is this is a german poster look you see it's saying

00:35:24.120 you know kick the hipsters in the bin um and uh this sort of thing but um it's basically um it's it's

00:35:31.960 that's what that's what comes to this again and again well i i think the the logic that's occurring

00:35:38.160 is that macron is is setting himself up against separatism and he's he's affirming uh a french

00:35:48.140 civic nationalism pretty hardcore um and i and i think he'll ultimately be affirming a kind of european

00:35:55.740 civic nationalism i think he is a visionary type who looks forward i think they're kind of you could

00:36:03.640 say both sidesing the identitarians in the sense that uh well we have to you know we're we're go

00:36:11.480 we're we're going after the muzzies we have to be fair so let's also go after these quasi-separatist

00:36:19.620 identitarians i mean i think the identitarians it it's difficult to pin down exactly what they

00:36:26.240 believe and i i think this has been something that that has struck me as a little bit annoying

00:36:32.220 about figures like martin zellner um where it's kind of like all right so you're you know you're

00:36:40.600 dropping these banners against migration and immigrants or whatever okay that's great you know

00:36:45.380 we kind of all get it and then you're kind of jumping on the alt-right bandwagon and then you're

00:36:50.340 claiming that oh no the alt-right is racist and we're like localist or whatever we're nationalist

00:36:57.700 even which is not an identitarian philosophy if you want to go to the french new right either of

00:37:03.280 benoit or guillaume fay neither of whom are nationalists uh and then you're being oppressed by

00:37:09.840 the conservative leader of your country so what are you exactly um i i i don't know what to say

00:37:19.560 they they certainly have a lot of revenue i mean the article i read said that they had 300 000 euros

00:37:25.840 in um revenue i mean you can do a lot with that um um i think if they remain if they if they maintain

00:37:33.860 the network kind of behind the scenes and build community that way i think that's great i've i've

00:37:39.120 spoken to people who have done um who have given kind of lectures on what identitarians are doing

00:37:45.040 and they're doing kind of like summer groups and youth groups and meeting up and so on and i think

00:37:49.900 that's fantastic obviously getting together but you know from what i saw particularly from the austrians i i

00:37:56.120 just found it fake i mean it's like taking pictures of them it's a lot like identity europa or all these

00:38:04.000 things like taking pictures of putting up a flyer or you know just taking a photograph of engaging in

00:38:12.060 activism and putting it on social media or the stunt where they were in the um where were they were

00:38:17.560 they in the alps or they were at a major refugee crossing and kind of holding up a banner to no one

00:38:23.780 and i i just i i find it if you did it 10 years ago it would be new at this point i find it rather

00:38:32.100 old to be honest sorry i'm not showing enough sympathy but um i think if if it's about intellectual

00:38:38.600 development we need more of that and if you're looking towards the french new right that's a great

00:38:43.300 place to start so i think that's obviously extremely positive um if you're building networks

00:38:48.580 and communities i think that's good but i think overall the identitarian thing has just kind of

00:38:54.400 played out to be honest yeah i don't understand what it is that is is original about it what it is

00:39:01.320 that's distinctive about it and i had a lot of trouble reading that book and that's not that it's

00:39:05.280 a badly written book it's a very well written book but it's it's unclear to me what on earth they're

00:39:10.100 getting at and i want i want things to be clear i want to know what it is it's like when i interviewed

00:39:14.740 that chap on my channel the other day this uh kurt do the fall and oh my god

00:39:20.660 what what what is this thing proprietarianism then yeah i mean singularly unable to explain it it's like

00:39:30.080 oh well it's it's not it's not um it's not just libertarianism no it's that we believe in the world

00:39:36.020 of laws i'm like fine so what yeah okay what do you mean so okay and um and and and it was really it

00:39:42.820 was an attempt to dress up with a neologism like the kind of thing that the postmodernists would do

00:39:47.580 you haven't got anything the original to say and so you dress it up with a new fancy word with lots

00:39:53.500 of jargon in order to make it seem profound to disguise the fact that you're not really saying

00:39:58.140 anything original at all and i am relieved that you're saying this because i i remember learning

00:40:04.280 about proprietarianism two or three years ago and listening to uh maybe like two hours of of

00:40:11.300 podcasting from kurt do little and just coming to the the exact same conclusion like what is this

00:40:17.780 like i i hear some austro economics in there uh austrian economics like libertarianism i'm like okay

00:40:25.060 i i that's coherent but the mises institute does that what are you doing and then and then as well i

00:40:32.300 have on my channel uh this uh russian philosopher this dugin and i was like explain to me what it is

00:40:38.960 that you're saying coherently and he's like okay it turned out that apparently russianness is a sort

00:40:44.560 of a spirit that's dropped on you by the gods and if you're black and you live in russia or even if

00:40:50.180 you live in russia then you somehow absorb that spirit and you are russian and i said what are you

00:40:56.200 talking about the russianness clearly maps onto a genetic thing and and whatever that no no there's

00:41:02.200 no such thing as race apparently um and race is all made up and and then he talked i was just

00:41:07.400 inconsistent nonsense and i'm getting a lot of this there was that chappy michael jones everyone was

00:41:11.880 talking about a couple of years ago oh god well that guy's not criticizing what is logos it seems to

00:41:17.300 make about as much as just proprietarianism uh or whatever so actually it's interesting keith um because

00:41:23.780 you know he's a mischievous uh young lad he sent me a bottle uh of irishness in the mail and i didn't

00:41:32.200 know what it was but i opened it and it infected my entire house that's amazing your entire house yeah

00:41:38.580 you joke about that but there was a guy that made thousands selling jars of irish air to americans for

00:41:44.740 a hundred dollars a pop so yeah i well maybe you should do that to be honest we could fund the

00:41:52.840 movement off like you know exploiting dumpy bottled irish bottled irish flatulence

00:41:59.000 um uh absolutely absolutely bonkers and that's the impression i got with this generation identity i

00:42:06.920 made my way through this extremely you know brick-like book and i and i and i feel none the wiser as to

00:42:14.240 what it is that distinguishes identitarianism from nationalism from ethnic nationalism from civic

00:42:20.120 nationalism from whatever it just seems to be a sort of hot an incoherent hot box of stuff with

00:42:25.760 nothing that holds it together other than the the identity of being an identitarian um right and so

00:42:32.820 you can get you can get all kinds of other people all kinds of things all kinds of difference all

00:42:36.180 kinds of diversity but well it's not being a republican you know so it's nothing in particular

00:42:40.220 but maybe it's a few issues that hold it together oh we don't we don't like abortion

00:42:43.580 um and and there was there was there was nothing clear like that so i just think it's all i don't

00:42:48.740 what i'm sick of hearing about and also when i met people that claimed to be identitarian

00:42:52.600 in irl as the young people call in real life um i found them tiresome and rude so um i'm uh i

00:43:01.140 won't uh i wasn't uh entirely impressed no no uh i'm more concerned about this identitarianism i'm

00:43:08.580 more concerned frankly because i've discovered this recently about what's been happening to britney

00:43:12.180 spears that that for me is a repressing concern that she's like why don't you go off on that

00:43:18.740 well she's like she hasn't been following she's the slave that's kept in bondage by her father

00:43:24.640 who's like legally declared mental and her father keeps her in bondage um and and makes her produce

00:43:31.500 pop songs and do concerts and then has complete control over everything she does over her money

00:43:37.340 over what she does over everything and and this has been the case since 2008 and she's she's how

00:43:44.900 did he manage such a she went a bit bonkers when she shaved her hair off on a tax oh i remember that

00:43:50.220 yeah right and it turns out who hasn't gone a bit bonkers i mean who hasn't exactly but anyway i'm kind

00:43:56.460 of actually serious about that yeah i mean you have to allow people to have a little trauma and then and

00:44:01.020 so it turns out that he he took out a sort of a ward of court what's the what's the word for it you

00:44:06.840 know that he's completely in control of her life he's he's whoa legally in charge of her completely

00:44:13.340 finances everything what's the term there's some term you have in america for this um like a legal term

00:44:18.820 like if an elderly person is considered too old and too silly to look after their own finances and

00:44:22.880 whatever then somebody else right complete control of the total control um it's a what's the term for it

00:44:28.960 uh i don't know the term but i know what you're talking about yeah yeah that's that's that's what

00:44:32.660 that's what's happened to to britney so so yeah so and so she and so all this stuff she's done since

00:44:37.940 it turns out you know like being a being a judge on idol or whatever it is yeah all this stuff she's

00:44:44.000 she's not in control of her life she's like she's fascinating and well she she had a big she returned

00:44:50.400 to vegas like elvis presley style that's right and it was having these huge you know shows and

00:44:57.580 you know nostalgia plus just vegas showmanship and she was probably making millions wow that

00:45:05.620 million she has control over that money and her father takes like 1.5 percent of everything he

00:45:10.500 takes and then she goes to court to challenge his control and the he she he's using her money to pay

00:45:18.100 lawyers to oppose her and the judges rule in favor of the father this jamie uh jamie spears so so

00:45:25.000 she's she's she's a prisoner basically um and and there's this free britney campaign that's been

00:45:31.900 going on since this was discovered let me look up what the word is for it well i've endorsed i

00:45:36.080 endorsed this campaign oh no no she's the sweet girl from louisiana yeah come on that surely she's

00:45:44.900 always been a bit conservative kind of in bad ways to a degree but you so you you endorse the campaign

00:45:50.920 to free her yeah i too i too endorse the campaign to free britney i think i think it's absolutely

00:45:55.220 outrageous what's the what's the i'm just trying to find out what the the term was for it the um

00:46:00.820 for nilly heart conservatorship it's called a conservatorship a conservatorship yes okay yeah

00:46:08.040 and it means somebody else and it's been the case for half her career 12 years

00:46:12.540 some uh father has been in complete legal control of her like everything

00:46:17.380 um so i think that's very very very interesting that that's been allowed to happen and there must

00:46:24.300 be something of quite the fact that she has challenged it in court at this at some point

00:46:28.920 she was obviously pressured to accept it and then once you once you accept it then then you've got to

00:46:33.280 like legally prove competence in order to have it taken away the burden of proof is on you

00:46:37.880 and she's gone to court to have that have it overturned so to have the conservatorship overturned

00:46:43.280 and no so there must be something going on behind it seems like she's clearly competent but

00:46:49.060 well that that was what it would appear like but apparently not apparently not yeah all right let

00:46:55.600 me do some uh super chats here again totally get off uh generation identity there is a couple of

00:47:02.980 things worth pointing out one of them is that french media is reporting that macron is openly doing it

00:47:07.540 to try and undermine le pen's uh upcoming election campaign and he was a lot of it was from supposedly

00:47:15.720 from lobbying from jewish organizations international league against racism and anti-semitism representative

00:47:22.820 council of french jewish institutions but i think the worst part of the story is uh marine le pen

00:47:28.480 is basically ordering her party not to get involved she's telling members of her party not to attend

00:47:34.240 these protests not to advocate for generation identity um and you know her father actually

00:47:39.320 has come out publicly against this choice by her but it's again you see this thing where she's moving

00:47:43.300 the she's moving her party into this more um sort of centrist civic nationalist uh anti-islam

00:47:52.100 direction where you know the differences between her and macron are becoming less and less i mean

00:47:55.880 that's not the first time her father has criticized her publicly i mean it was because it was like an

00:48:00.660 open like ethno-nationalist party under uh her father wasn't it oh look at the beginning it was a

00:48:07.540 fascist party i mean let's let's be honest here um and uh you know jean-marie le pen is a really

00:48:16.120 charismatic guy and and also kind of wild you know um but it it was what it was and uh but there i've

00:48:24.580 also read that he was kind of aping americanism and reaganism there for the 80s so i think he he had

00:48:30.680 his own tendency to to kind of go to the center or or a kind of weird tendency in france where it you

00:48:37.800 know anti-americanism is is famous and very mainstream but but to kind of try to look like

00:48:43.640 the american right um which again i think we see an identitarianism as well despite their claims um they

00:48:51.460 were doing you know anti-mask rallies or whatever from what i've heard the austrian variation of this

00:48:56.500 um but yeah um i i i think once you meet to someone else you you it's it's always kind of the worst

00:49:06.080 of both worlds because about marketing yourself is differentiating yourself it's about saying you

00:49:12.560 know this is something truly unique that you must support for these ideas to be out there and if

00:49:18.760 you're simply going to the center it's it's a kind of false you know notion of of of b of building a

00:49:26.560 bigger tent i can even remember you know um there was a lot of very strong anti-war sentiment um in

00:49:34.980 during the george w bush era and um john carrey and john edwards were not able to capitalize on that

00:49:42.140 because they were trying to sound like bush you know um there was a huge pent-up angst against the

00:49:50.320 iraq war and then you had the democratic stalwart being like well we're gonna fight the war on terror

00:49:55.740 but do it right you guys aren't hard enough on iran and things like that it just did not work they

00:50:00.080 looked implausible in comparison to dick cheney you know i.e darth vader and uh in terms of you know

00:50:07.840 marine le pen if you're if you're promoting civic nationalism why should anyone vote for you why

00:50:13.680 not just vote for macron who's currently the president who is leading you in the polls although

00:50:17.980 they are remarkably close um and uh who is you're not going to get fired or looked at

00:50:25.040 you know accusingly or suspiciously uh for voting for

00:50:30.000 macron is a walking oedipus complex though oh i know but that that's what makes him interesting

00:50:37.460 well he's it's not even the oedipus complex it's like an oedipus triumph like he literally married

00:50:44.280 his mom yeah he hasn't gone blind he hasn't lost his eyes so it's it's it's an oedipus triumph

00:50:51.060 yes exactly he's overcome this well he has overcome the this western trauma for for 4 000 years he he did

00:51:01.120 it he married his high his high school crush and um yeah he's fascinating guy the most interesting

00:51:09.980 politician yeah you have it in scott as well so alex david the former leader of the smp

00:51:14.780 his wife is 17 years older than him which admittedly is nothing on lacron because it's like 26 years

00:51:22.220 was lacron right and his actual teacher and yeah yeah his actual that is true his actual teacher

00:51:30.640 yeah right the drama teacher right yeah i mean i i wanted to do that when i was 16 but

00:51:40.640 i guess you you grow out of it but he just went all in we had we had our school there was this we

00:51:46.380 had a lot of irish teachers because it was a catholic school and also i was poor then so they'd come

00:51:50.360 over to work in england and there's this teacher called miss flanagan and um i said oh that's that's

00:51:56.120 that's remember what we talked about in the last class and she was from she she was re teacher and

00:52:01.040 uh everyone fancied her it's just ridiculous i mean it was just miss flanagan and yeah you'd have

00:52:06.400 oh and um my friend my friend duncan would get do things like get me to she when she when she um

00:52:13.840 came to help you with something she'd come over and we were in desks of two like rows of two like that

00:52:18.880 and so she'd get she'd get to come over and she'd come behind you and like bend over between you and

00:52:23.520 your friend like to look at your book and so my friend would would offer me like whatever like

00:52:27.860 chocolate or whatever to put my hand up to get to come over to bend over and then he'd sit behind

00:52:31.580 me and um that was that was his day sorted but yeah miss flanagan yeah when i was at the

00:52:37.540 university of chicago in my early 20s i remember i had a bit of a coup where um i was throwing this

00:52:44.240 house party at this apartment where which i shared with three other people two germans actually and

00:52:49.200 this other guy who was studying religious studies and you know it was all grad school no one had any

00:52:54.700 money or anything like that but we're throwing a house party and um i actually got i finangled a date

00:53:00.520 with this assistant professor who was 10 years older than me and i and i got the date perfect where

00:53:07.320 we went out to eat um at a place that you you know when you were going to the house party you would

00:53:13.920 like walk by the restaurant and so there were already rumors afloat that you know oh what has

00:53:18.880 spencer done this time he's like dating a professor and then we went up to the house party um after the

00:53:25.840 date and it was like yeah full oedipal triumph or something i don't know no respect there's a little

00:53:31.980 bit of a little bit of macron in me i guess um okay let's read some super chats just to kind of

00:53:40.880 knock these through so we get everyone um uh dick you tweeted out a 1991 60 minutes interview on rush

00:53:52.000 limbaugh where reporter steve croft repeatedly mocked rush's weight rush was a master of counter-punching

00:53:59.160 insults uh onto the left but it was useless fundraising um it was useless fundraising for

00:54:07.060 the gop with big tech removing us from the public sphere how do we create our own rush that's an

00:54:14.360 interesting question um uh i i i think before we can answer that you have to analyze you know what

00:54:22.320 rush limbaugh was and um i'm sure keith and ed have at least an inkling of rush limbaugh even though

00:54:28.820 they're you know living in europe um i can remember rush limbaugh even when i was in middle school or

00:54:35.160 high school in the early 90s and my you know mother would listen to him and and granted he wasn't as

00:54:43.340 bombastic as you know he's depicted in that 60 minutes interview where he's depicted some some people

00:54:50.460 take out you know kind of the worst bits of rush and he actually was a smart man and he could talk

00:54:57.520 about policy he he knew the issues uh very well um but i think the the left-wing caricature is true

00:55:07.180 in the sense that he was about expressing a kind of pent-up anger and that was off the that was

00:55:15.820 certainly off the big three television stations that was verboten and he did it on talk radio and he

00:55:22.500 maybe kind of personally led to a revival of talk radio and this creation of this major right-wing

00:55:29.440 sphere that is i think now going to go away due to podcasting and youtube but was immensely powerful

00:55:35.900 in promoting the republican party and reaganism and so on and um but i don't know i i think at some level

00:55:43.840 rushes bombast on these culture war issues is kind of useless in the sense that you know he made fun of

00:55:53.700 the feminazis and the gays and and what have you um have has there been any advance on these culture war

00:56:02.840 issues no there's only been retreat did you see last year he went he went on a podcast uh of this black

00:56:11.540 youtubers youtube channel and with these three black people and they were sort of grilling him

00:56:15.600 it was during the floyd riots and he just completely cooked on everything he was like

00:56:19.900 you know what happened to george floyd is terrible and it shook him and now he has to speak out against

00:56:25.300 racism and all this stuff and he knows america can be a better country and they were like berating him

00:56:30.120 and he was just like sitting there taking it's like come on man you have like less than a year left to

00:56:35.580 live like you can go out and name them and get banned off everything and go out in a blaze of glory

00:56:41.080 and instead he's like grumbling well but was he ever you know was it anything other than pent up

00:56:48.580 angst and you know there there was an interesting i would recommend that everyone go look at that

00:56:53.120 interview on 60 minutes it's it's a bit nostalgic it was from 30 years ago uh 1991 i believe but um

00:57:00.700 he he said i'm doing it for the money and i'm saying what all these people want to say and i'm kind of

00:57:06.680 saying it for them vicariously and i i i there probably is some use to that and there is some

00:57:14.680 but at the end of the day it's venting and not really advancing you you have to get at the bigger

00:57:21.960 issues of why the west is declining and not just simply vent stuff or or just you know like i i see a

00:57:29.600 a lot among you know alt light types or griper types where they'll just kind of say something

00:57:36.100 that's that's never going to happen you know like um we should uh we should increase testosterone

00:57:44.440 levels uh now among all americans or you know gays should be thrown onto an island or uh you know

00:57:53.200 let's toss every illegal across the border i i get it i get the the pent-up frustration and anger

00:58:00.500 but all of these kind of impossible things just amount to venting and if you're not also it's a

00:58:08.080 bad policy because if anyone who knows anything about wwf or wwe will tell you if you artificially

00:58:14.460 increase testosterone levels it damages the body's own ability to produce testosterone um and completely

00:58:19.740 messes up your mental and physical health which is why the death rate among wwf wrestlers they all

00:58:24.900 die in like their 50s and 60s if not earlier than that um because of their abuse of steroids i.e. the

00:58:31.000 artificial elevation of testosterone levels so right i mean ask fitz mcmahon what doing that does to

00:58:38.020 people it's a stupid idea right no i mean i think i saw that from pedro gonzalez who who i generally

00:58:44.740 like i mean i i think he's he's kind of of all the alt-light people i think he's the most authentic

00:58:50.960 uh but yeah it's just kind of meaningless hand waving and and and so on i i just i think there's

00:58:57.640 a real there i think we've seen the real limits to that and yeah when rush limbaugh is pressed on a

00:59:04.900 meta political or an ideological issue um he caves because there's no there there outside of the anger

00:59:12.480 on the other hand though as i was discussing with keith when he was on my show um wrestling has gone

00:59:17.520 woke it's become really it's become the world yeah yeah it's a transgender female champion in one of

00:59:25.820 the it's not the second biggest major promotion like the second biggest uh major promotion after

00:59:31.820 wwe was a transgender female women's champion oh my god i noticed that you know how like 20 years

00:59:39.700 ago women's wrestling was basically just fit models rubbing their arms yeah like a bikini is doing

00:59:45.060 like it should yeah like it should be stink face it's awesome and now and now and now it's like

00:59:52.520 actual muscular women which is awful um and then with the men the people are making a point of

00:59:59.500 i don't take steroids i i'm natural you know and what natural means is you just look like an ordinary

01:00:04.740 bloke just look like an english wrestler from the 80s like big daddy or something right so so you

01:00:09.480 don't look like the british bulldog who admittedly died age 38 but you know he he suffered for his art

01:00:15.680 he took vast amounts of steroids and uh made himself into a into a superhuman and then died age 38

01:00:22.180 um all the other blokes the bloke that killed his family um chris benoit no what was his name

01:00:29.340 chris benoit yeah yeah yeah yeah so so so so yeah so i think that's the that's the problem with it

01:00:35.680 it's all it's all gone it's all gone it's like everything though they got a more niche audience

01:00:39.480 and their audience are all like bug men like guys that are like virgins in their 30s that collect like

01:00:46.560 action figures and so it's like they're like reflecting back on them what they want like they

01:00:51.380 want guys that they relate to more like you know they want like the five foot eight guy that's in the

01:00:56.240 opening match so that's like the best technical match they got a five foot eight because i remember

01:01:01.300 when i was into it when i was about 11 the shortest wrestler that i i knew of was marty genetti who was

01:01:07.900 one of the rockers and he was five foot 11 and five foot 11 which is like just about average height

01:01:13.040 that was short for wrestlers i mean you were yeah you had like next luger or sid justice or whatever

01:01:18.160 they're like 6 10 and then there was that guy the wwe had a five foot eight vegan world champion

01:01:24.220 actually what's his name years ago daniel bryant

01:01:28.240 i'm surprised yeah i don't know i need yeah well everything's gone woke it's the dominant

01:01:37.320 governing ideology of our time you know it's it's kind of like the whole gamer gate thing was like

01:01:44.940 we're not going to challenge anything just don't take away my video games you know don't don't bring

01:01:51.060 feminism to my video games and i don't know my perspective is yes we will bring feminism to your

01:01:59.000 video games i always find it makes me inspire you to go outside centrists always idealize the 80s

01:02:06.440 action movies as like that was like the peak of like you know there was like the perfect amount of

01:02:12.320 like you know it was it was colorblind you know there was a few black characters but they fit in it

01:02:17.840 wasn't kind of shoved down your trudge you know like the 80s action movies was like the west had

01:02:22.540 it figured out everything after that was downhill the 80s yeah the 80s was the 80s 70s and 80s was

01:02:28.640 peak was peak west was and comedy and everything and then after that it just collapses and as you say

01:02:34.660 shoved down your throat female ghostbusters black people in positions of power in unlikely positions

01:02:40.260 of power i'm not talking like the mayor of washington dc i'm talking like you know a judge in

01:02:45.560 in in maine or something um and and and just oh this is nonsense and and so so you can't

01:02:51.900 the suspension of disbelief is ruined because you're like oh although i did see an interesting

01:02:56.340 politically correct film last night it was quite a funny idea it's a british film and it was about

01:03:00.660 these two refugees that come to britain from sudan okay and so they're in the they're in the asylum

01:03:06.240 center and they say okay we're going to take you out the asylum center and we're going to put you in

01:03:09.600 this house and you have to come once a week and register you have to be on time always and you've got

01:03:14.840 a promise do you understand yes we understand and you've got to come once a week yeah we understand

01:03:19.220 and you're going to get this money and you can't work you can't do any work we understand you've got

01:03:23.000 to keep the house clean we understand and they put them in a haunted house

01:03:26.480 i love the idea of that refugee horror film if you if you're a genuine asylum seeker if you're

01:03:35.280 genuinely fleeing from from suffering and war and you won't mind being put in a haunted house

01:03:39.800 well isn't that it don't you think there's probably some messaging like

01:03:42.660 they're entering a new house but it's haunted by like the nazi past or something no it turned out

01:03:48.500 it was haunted by their own ghosts they brought with them because of the oh that's even more

01:03:54.660 interesting maybe the haunting of themselves so um that's kind of that messaging seems to be almost

01:04:03.240 like right-wing messaging but what's the name of that film i can't remember okay well keith i think you

01:04:10.380 had a point about centrism loving 80s action movies as this like you know high summer of colorblind

01:04:19.220 american badassery were you making a point on that or were you just observing that

01:04:24.780 that was the point it's just like every centrist exer i've ever talked to it's just like you know in

01:04:32.580 the 80s we had it figured out like the you know they'll name some schwarzenegger movie and they'd be

01:04:37.220 like look at that you know there was a there was like a one of the main characters was black and we

01:04:41.080 didn't even pay attention to the fact he was black you know it's just right you had it figured out

01:04:45.660 well that i think predator is the source of that now meme of like the huge muscular bicep of

01:04:52.640 schwarzenegger slapping you know uh it was called his house um solar flex 88 says um that it was called

01:05:04.180 his house and it sucked it sucked um i i i don't agree that it sucked i thought it was a hilarious

01:05:10.000 idea that they get these refugees from south sudan and they make and they go into eventually of course

01:05:15.220 it turns out that it's haunted by sudanese ghosts but i love the idea of that they get put in a

01:05:19.900 haunted house and the attitude should be well look we've run out of we've we've run out of normal

01:05:24.420 housing stock for these refugees the only houses we've got left of them are haunted houses and you

01:05:30.560 could and you could imagine like the woke mob getting really upset about this saying look it's

01:05:34.980 not fair it's not fair that you you you're putting these refugees they fled from from from poverty and

01:05:40.580 corruption and they're coming here and you're putting them in houses that have ghosts they could

01:05:43.900 be racist ghosts most people in the past were racist and they're like no but the only houses we

01:05:48.440 have left are haunted it's haunted or no asylum i'm sorry make a decision and then they have to go in

01:05:53.500 the water house i like but then they really yeah as i said against sudanese ghosts okay um i'm gonna do

01:06:00.700 something really quick uh i'm gonna i'm i'm going to have to take a one minute break myself but it will

01:06:07.040 be quick um but i want to pass this question this is actually a good question and it's something i have

01:06:11.960 a lot to say about so i'll i'll hand this over to you first keith uh but this is yehuda finkelstein for

01:06:18.280 10 um with people in our sphere talking about moving over to odyssey for streaming will the panel

01:06:24.780 miss the psychotic conspirator comments on bit shoot um why don't you take that one and i will be back

01:06:32.660 in one moment all right well i don't know about you ed but i actually turned off comments on bit

01:06:39.240 shoot as a norm because uh it was like it was like 15 comments and like 11 of them are spam

01:06:46.480 like nigerian princesses promising to like fill your bank account with their fortune and then

01:06:53.880 like four of them would be fed posts but yeah actually you're on the stream yeah odyssey

01:06:59.240 yeah yehuda is asking about people moving over to odyssey i'm trying to get ed to sign up to odyssey

01:07:03.940 but uh he's insisting that it's uh i don't know you're insisting that it's like zoomer tech or

01:07:11.020 something it's actually a very simple website first of all you have to tie into this thing called

01:07:14.820 um i can't discord i don't like that i don't want to do that i never got asked to do that i think

01:07:21.180 then another option is to give me your phone number but that's not allowed in my country

01:07:25.940 i never had to do that no because you did this cool thing i don't want to do that i don't know i

01:07:30.520 didn't do this i didn't do discord either what did you do then i don't know you must be doing

01:07:34.360 something wrong because i got someone else to sign up to yesterday and they said

01:07:37.420 you have to verify well i'll show you i'll tell you what tomorrow or something maybe we can skype

01:07:43.220 about it but i i don't understand i cannot make it um click over to my uh upload my my stuff from

01:07:52.420 uh visual from from youtube if the screen just goes if the option is there but i cannot click on it

01:07:57.880 the button is in a sort of darker color it won't let me do it that is all right let's talk about this

01:08:03.560 seriously for a bit because this is this is a serious thing um keith you were mentioning that

01:08:09.340 the the comments i don't read the comments on any of my videos you were saying your comments were

01:08:14.340 insane they're either nigerian scams i just i just turned it off on me it makes people mad but it's

01:08:20.800 like maybe that was it's not even the scams that bother me but it's like you always get a handful

01:08:25.460 that are just outright like fed posts calls for what if there's a nigerian princess out there

01:08:31.020 that's trying to fund the movement and we just keep ignoring her over and over she has resorted

01:08:37.240 to bit shoot at this point and she gets nowhere yeah send me an email nigerian princess on that

01:08:44.100 with this prince he's just so upset that he can't give his money away he just can't understand why

01:08:48.720 i think that's the problem with these people i think that kind of sums bit shoot up though like

01:08:52.900 they have you know they've had all this goodwill and they have all these users and they've been

01:08:56.880 having people giving the money and then like their priority their priority was to roll out a new

01:09:01.020 comment section which no one cared about when they could be they took they took like processing times

01:09:05.900 and everybody was upset about this and was publicly saying they were upset about it and i messaged i

01:09:12.920 don't know who the chap is but i messaged him privately and said what's what's this about this

01:09:16.920 this talk why and it says it's a mistake by moderator i was like why do you have moderators what why you

01:09:22.100 shouldn't have moderators and he said because if we under i don't know what legal thing they're

01:09:26.180 signed up to they can get fined five percent of their annual turnover for having something that

01:09:31.960 illegal that is illegal in some territory or other on this brings me to the major point which is

01:09:38.940 okay so let's talk about this and and and let's get a little nasty about this as well hang on a minute

01:09:46.620 where's this chap coming on that we're talking to oh sean i gave him the link um why don't while i'm

01:09:51.760 talking why don't you shoot him a that i i put you guys in a dm group in twitter um let's let's talk

01:09:58.740 about this seriously and let's even get a little nasty about this because i i think we need to talk

01:10:03.700 about all tech uh in general so um i have always been a little bit uh skeptical about bit shoot and i

01:10:18.640 don't like the name i i mean i know that's that seems superficial but names do matter i don't like

01:10:25.100 the ui um which looks like a website from 15 years ago or or even 25 years ago um but you know i've been

01:10:36.300 kicked off youtube i have nowhere else to go apparently and i am grateful that someone is doing

01:10:42.480 this and in terms of my aesthetic you know issues you can take them or leave them maybe i'm wrong

01:10:48.520 um maybe i'm being tedious uh but the problem is is that i don't think he ever really solved the real

01:10:57.140 issue from what i understand and correct me if i'm wrong bit shoot is being hosted in the uk

01:11:03.240 and it is basically hosted on a centralized server so it is mini youtube in the sense of its um

01:11:11.360 you know structural model is that correct yeah i mean he's uh he's an irish libertarian guy that's

01:11:20.180 in the uk the impression i get is that he built you know he built bit shoot in his shed basically and

01:11:25.600 he probably never expected it to be a fraction the size it is and now yeah suddenly he's got all these

01:11:30.840 lobbyist groups he's got the uk government discussing it in parliament and yeah i don't

01:11:35.740 think they ever expected any of this but yeah as you say like someone posted something the other

01:11:39.160 day on twitter they tried to watch a discussion between you and pat buchanan richard and it's it's

01:11:45.220 banned in the uk so it's like it's it's i mean it seems so arbitrary i tried to watch a video

01:11:49.940 on it the other day that sounded very harmless and yeah banned in your location well i tell you there

01:11:54.060 was a video there was a video that i was watching there was a video that i was watching i should have

01:11:59.300 something quite relevant to say here there was a video i was watching last night the video is

01:12:03.020 duplicate on it shoot so there's one site one bloke's uploaded another bloke uploaded it you can

01:12:07.440 watch one not the other and that's because if somebody gets a reputation for posting stuff which

01:12:12.260 is illegal in the uk then all their videos are stopped in the uk or whatever so so that's even if

01:12:20.820 they're harmless so so because he doesn't he's saying he doesn't want to take the risk because the fines

01:12:25.220 are so crippling if you if you get it wrong so he has to be super careful well okay first off um

01:12:33.300 sean last uh welcome thank you for being here uh we haven't spoken in a little while and i'm i'm very

01:12:39.900 glad you're here how are you doing i'm doing all right is the audio coming through all right can you

01:12:45.420 hear me yeah you sound good yeah so we're we're actually discussing uh at the moment de-platforming

01:12:51.240 and bit shoot and and where we should go from here so i'm i'm i imagine you might have something to

01:12:56.980 say about this but yeah i mean in terms of bit shoot there was that weird thing where some podcast

01:13:02.780 of pat buchanan and myself from probably 12 years ago was banned even though i'm sure it there was

01:13:10.800 nothing terribly offensive about it uh but then at the same time you can go on bit shoot and find

01:13:16.800 unbelievably wacky nonsense and in in some ways it seems to be a be a real magnet for that but

01:13:24.660 the main thing is that you know again maybe this is not really his fault but he didn't think about

01:13:31.360 what he was doing from the very beginning in the sense of are you just going to create a mini youtube

01:13:36.620 or are you going to structurally create something different and when i was banned from youtube over the

01:13:43.540 summer again we had no strikes it was just a i you know they they were sending a message you could

01:13:49.900 say um to american content creators i think amren got banned stephan molyneux got banned myself and and

01:13:57.160 some others um i liked lbry i guess it's pronounced library uh because they they were they seemed to

01:14:07.120 first off they weren't like a right-wing site so we weren't just going into a new ghetto we were

01:14:13.460 kind of going into a new platform and and so you know i want to try to speak to the world i don't

01:14:20.340 want to speak to a ghetto to be honest um and uh and it's one of the reasons why i've always

01:14:27.460 disliked gab uh but they seem to also have cracked a nut in the sense of they're using blockchain and

01:14:34.320 decentralization where effectively you couldn't be um censored uh because the video is i i i is

01:14:43.280 please correct me if i'm wrong but it's blockchain based or it's almost like torrent like based where

01:14:48.460 it's coming from all sorts of places and there's no one you know holy grail copy of a video um and

01:14:56.460 live uh lbry has now gone they've created a new skin on their website which is called odyssey which

01:15:04.720 i think is a cool name and it doesn't strike me as they're they're trying to be a right-wing ghetto

01:15:12.140 it strikes me as they're trying to really solve this problem of de-platforming and decentralized

01:15:17.840 solutions and so i have nothing against bit shoot i wish the guy the best but i i feel like he never

01:15:26.500 really cracked the nut and library is and so i'm i'm actually fairly eager to kind of move full time

01:15:32.880 to library libraries talked about live streaming i've been researching it and they've done a few

01:15:38.220 live streams here and there and so it seems to be working i don't know what they're doing if they're

01:15:43.620 they've come up with new some new live stream decentralized live stream solution i mean

01:15:47.880 fascinating well above my pay grade but i'm i'm to be honest i i'm kind of eager to move there i i think

01:15:54.220 what they're doing is is right anyone want to jump in or is that just a model yeah well i made a video

01:16:04.540 the other day just telling people basically go and make an odyssey account now because yeah i mean it's

01:16:09.900 i don't hold it against the guy at bit shoot but it's out of his hands i mean i don't know like

01:16:13.340 there could be a day where everyone is just bad no one in the uk or germany can watch this like i was

01:16:17.680 talking to someone that's based in germany and he said he basically can't watch anything on bit

01:16:22.300 shoot because of the rules so yeah i mean i think you need like something structurally um resilient

01:16:28.220 to censorship i don't think bit shoot is that like we're you know we're basically reliant on

01:16:32.140 uh bit shoot continuing to sort of look after nationalists and just decide not to uh crack down but

01:16:39.580 even that doesn't really count now because they'll just get them through lawfare so yeah the

01:16:43.820 decentralization i mean you know i think the only long-term solution to the problems we faced is uh

01:16:52.460 crypto and blockchain technology and yeah you know it's not it's not gab it's not uh it's not trying to

01:16:59.660 appeal to q terrors or conservatives or anything else and yeah i think it has good potential i mean you

01:17:04.860 can actually like per view you can actually make more money um on lbry odyssey through their

01:17:12.120 monetization system with blockchain credits than you can on youtube through advertising because

01:17:16.480 they're not taking as much of a chunk so it's actually i mean it's the only one of these platforms

01:17:20.240 i've seen where like there is actually reasons for people to join it other than political dissidents

01:17:26.300 like there are actually it is tangibly better than youtube in a lot of ways like you'll be better

01:17:31.520 monetized uh you know it has everything in hd fast loading copies videos over instantly so

01:17:38.360 i could actually say like a large move to odyssey or lbry but i think something like bit shooter rumble

01:17:43.980 are basically doomed to be echo chambers forever yes and this has been the problem of alt tech

01:17:52.820 is that you know i was excited about alt tech in 2016 and 2017 when the de-platforming issue

01:18:01.160 was was first rearing its head and we had all these you know young guys coming out here saying oh

01:18:07.160 i'm gonna create this solution this can be great for everyone um but i think gab is paradigmatic i mean

01:18:13.660 i i i can't stand gab because i don't i can't stand andrew torba and andrew torba has not built a

01:18:20.620 platform he's built an echo chamber he's built his fan club where you can go and buy you know trump

01:18:26.300 socks and christ is king mugs and and you go on gab you're it's almost like you're joining this

01:18:33.060 movement of lib owning can i say in his defense though i mean there is that rule isn't there that

01:18:39.360 if something is not explicitly right wing it will become left wing i i get the o'sullivan rule but

01:18:46.460 you know i i i think the problem is is that like and i've said this before with de-platforming

01:18:53.980 where a lot of people will bring up like section 230 of the decency act and saying oh we're going

01:19:01.380 to attack these big tech monopolies and we're going to go after them and so on i mean look from

01:19:07.780 my standpoint as a dissident but also someone who can speak to people i'm not a throwing molotov

01:19:17.300 cocktails um i want monopolies in the sense that there is a natural tendency in in the digital

01:19:25.800 realm of monopolization there's not a hundred different facebook's there are there's one

01:19:31.620 facebook and there are a few competitors around the world but there's this natural tendency because

01:19:37.020 they have infinite reproducibility in cyberspace for monopolization to occur and monopolization can

01:19:44.300 is can be good for us in the sense that we can enter the conversation if i go to gab i am speaking

01:19:51.560 to q anon fanatics or e michael jones readers or whatever um if i go on twitter i am potentially

01:19:59.840 speaking to everyone my tweet can be seen by the french president by the guy down the street by sean

01:20:08.060 last by ed dutton it is that monopoly is good in the sense that it actually does create an open

01:20:15.120 platform uh that a heartbeat of the internet and i think that was actually the intent behind section

01:20:21.260 230 and that's why i don't think section 230 should be repealed and i think focusing on section 230 is a

01:20:26.840 complete red herring so we want monopolies i mean we we don't as dissidents we're not living in this

01:20:33.380 you know old age where we had to create little newsletters and mail them out to our friends

01:20:39.040 and hope that someone will leave it in a coffee shop and a stranger might read it we we we have

01:20:44.680 this amazing advantage um through the through a digital monopoly to actually reach the world so

01:20:51.640 i think alt tech as a concept was always kind of wrong i mean it was a it was an understandable

01:20:58.800 response to a problem of deplatforming um but it it was it was not handling it in the right way it was

01:21:05.200 creating these right-wing ghettos um and again odyssey i would praise just because it's not a right-wing

01:21:12.060 site um it is a structure technologically different site so it is truly alt tech

01:21:17.720 it uh it definitely seems true that the the ideal situation would be a monopoly because that would

01:21:25.460 as i say allow you to reach the maximum number of people and all that but it seems like it would

01:21:29.240 be a predictable thing that if you are a dissident then insofar as the elites view your dissident

01:21:35.260 movement as being actually a threat any monopoly that's going to happen it's going to predictably

01:21:39.540 be censorious towards you so even though that would be the ideal uh it seems like maybe the best we can

01:21:45.340 hope for are things like sort of oligopoly systems things like gab where a bunch of right-wing people

01:21:52.300 go that are right-wing and problematic people a lot of them are crazy and whatnot uh but they're not

01:21:57.480 it's a less censorious environment and they're people that aren't part of the sort of dissident

01:22:03.280 rise so they're people that may be converted and the like uh in the long run it seems like that might

01:22:08.700 be the best we can hope for even though in the short term it's good to sort of advocate for uh sort

01:22:13.800 of free speech norms on monopolies uh like twitter and whatnot but i don't know how realistic that is

01:22:18.760 in the long run since i mean they do hate us i don't you know it's a matter of time why do they

01:22:24.800 hate us we're so nice yeah they do hate us and uh the fact that you know a live stream that ed keith

01:22:35.360 and i would do that would get maybe 20 000 views or something you know a good good audience but but by no

01:22:42.520 means you know millions it's not like we're leading you know a movement but that that in itself was

01:22:48.980 seen as a threat um is telling um but i don't know i mean i i think the the nut has to be cracked i i think

01:22:58.180 the the easiest thing that could be done would be for um there to be a kind of internet bill of rights that

01:23:07.600 that takes the spirit of section 230 and and expands upon it which is natural that 230 is 20

01:23:14.920 years old or so and and basically says that um you as a citizen you have a right to a an internet

01:23:23.260 presence much like you so even if you're a full neo-nazi you have a right to the the water you

01:23:30.500 have a right to something like that where they're going to give citizens a right to sue social media

01:23:35.960 companies for uh up to millions of euros if they kick them off for political opinions which is

01:23:41.780 i thought was interesting but what can a small country do against it either suing means that

01:23:46.860 you have to hire lawyers and you have to go to court and it's going to take months or years and tens of

01:23:52.440 thousands of dollars it they they need to just establish i mean again in an ideal world they would

01:23:58.340 establish a right that says you much like you you have a kind of right to the electrical system the

01:24:06.480 electrical grid you have the right to the a telephone grid which is a kind of public private enterprise in

01:24:11.900 the united states you you don't have a right to engage in illegal activities on these grids so i can't

01:24:18.520 i don't have a right to use my telephone to hire a hitman um or or something like that uh or sell drugs

01:24:26.260 but i do have a right to use it and i have effectively free speech and if we could extend that

01:24:32.220 right to the internet by saying every citizen has a right to a to one or two social media accounts

01:24:38.920 and that unless they are not breaking the law they can use those as they please the the issue really is

01:24:46.180 is that social media has displaced the mainstream media to the point that the mainstream media seems to

01:24:52.340 be following social media picking up on social media trends looking for the news cycle to come from

01:24:59.480 twitter or facebook or so on and i mean the the origin of the term fake news came about in um 2016

01:25:08.460 by this writer in buzzfeed and he was doing a quantitative study of news articles and he noticed that

01:25:17.380 the fake the literal fake news articles were getting shared more on facebook than the new york times or

01:25:26.200 the washington post or mainstream articles and so the top articles that were getting shared were

01:25:31.440 pope francis endorses trump which is kind of funny that didn't happen and the other one was hillary clinton

01:25:37.720 um funded isis which i would say is well technically true yeah like you know in its in fake news's defense

01:25:47.720 but um nevertheless uh those articles were actually surpassing you know mainstream reporting and so

01:25:56.560 i i feel like they they they they did there is a kind of problem in that in the sense that

01:26:04.420 you know people have tuned they're not watching the nightly news they're not reading the paper

01:26:09.560 they are tuning in to their facebook group that was that was fascinating if you've read about what's

01:26:14.940 been uh what's been going on in australia of course that they've that they shut out they stopped people

01:26:19.540 from sharing uh news on uh just sharing news links and from using and from facebook uh from newspapers

01:26:25.760 having facebook sites and then they were saying oh my god um it's going to lead to lots of conspiracy

01:26:30.760 theories being on the rise and people won't be able to get information because they are it would

01:26:35.220 never occur to them just go and read the newspaper website they've gone through facebook they're so

01:26:39.580 they're so glued to facebook and then they said oh look at this there's all these uh emergency

01:26:44.380 services and hotlines about your wife being wife being beat the batters and whatever and they've all

01:26:50.120 gone down as well and oh it's it's terrible how can they do this and i mean well you've allowed

01:26:54.820 yourself to become reliant on facebook that's what you've done so it's your i mean it's your you

01:26:59.900 what's but but going forward i do think and i'm not sure if this will affect us i think it will

01:27:08.340 affect us at least a little bit um i i do think that there will be legislation on a different term

01:27:15.320 which is going to be misinformation and because you know there is a difference between sean last

01:27:21.840 engaging in a you know analysis of race and crime and policing i just actually saw your video on that

01:27:31.400 last night um which is you know politically incorrect to say the least but based clearly based in fact and

01:27:42.660 you know in in an engaged analysis um and the kind of thing that say the alt light or you know tremendous

01:27:52.940 amount of mainstream conservatives have done which is truly misinformation which is kind of creating

01:27:58.720 these parallel worlds that are disconnected from all reality like q anon or all the shades of q anon

01:28:06.180 that emerge or stop the steel or or what have you um i i do think that if they're not gonna that there's

01:28:14.720 one nut to crack which is like you're right as a citizen but there's another nut to crack which is

01:28:20.360 misinformation and i think they're focused the liberals the you know elite people they're focused

01:28:26.840 on misinformation now much more than they're focused on say uh white nationalism i think a few years ago

01:28:34.260 they might have said oh we can't have spencer or keith or ed going up there talking about race and

01:28:40.720 iq and whatever that that's bad we need we need to get rid of that i think they're now recognized a

01:28:46.720 reality which is a true reality which is that this these kind of usually right-wing conspiracy

01:28:53.460 misinformation spheres are actually much more powerful much much larger than anything we're doing

01:29:01.280 and and kind of have more of an impact on contemporary politics because they they have to solve this i

01:29:07.660 mean previously they were able to create you know what jockey lul thought of as a as a propaganda

01:29:15.020 system where there was a a limiting of opinion there was a a national consensus even if it was divided

01:29:23.660 there was still a general consensus on what is news what is matters where where are the lines what

01:29:31.280 right and left and they they now kind of can't manage that in the way that they could in in you

01:29:38.840 know the age of public opinion in the in the 20th century well i i think that sort of thing

01:29:45.760 legislation uh or just more broad internet rules about misinformation uh or for that matter a lot

01:29:51.300 about something like even hate speech even in american context seems to me more likely than

01:29:55.140 a really serious sort of internet bill of rights sort of situation uh i mean again well that certainly

01:30:01.940 is an ideal depending on how i guess pessimistic you are about the situation but obviously like

01:30:07.580 if you imagine someone in stalinist russia or something like this right saying you know it'd be

01:30:11.720 quite good but if we have you know laws protecting free speech here and that's sort of the plan going

01:30:16.580 forward that'd be a very like a good thing but unrealistic sort of thing to actually count on

01:30:22.100 um i mean what do you think about the idea that as these things become the censorship becomes ever

01:30:28.340 broader they start banning more and more misinformation and the sands for misinformation

01:30:31.760 obviously are insane i don't know if you've read the uh youtube guidelines for hate speech there's

01:30:36.940 actually a specific provision in there that you cannot say that certain racial groups have larger

01:30:40.500 brains than others even though i mean that's just a consensus empirical there was somebody called there

01:30:46.400 was a historian called simon webb who um is who got us uh who got a strike but quote for saying in the

01:30:53.920 19th century you had these people that said this information on brain size and he got a strike for

01:31:00.580 saying that that they said i remember like jf gary eppy seems to be the only one that like actually

01:31:05.740 understands like the youtube guidelines and he had like a word document i just remember reading it before

01:31:10.240 i went on it's like it's so like random and like you could never like figure it out intuitively what's

01:31:15.680 not like you can't call someone a cat lady it's like it's really even like an accepted insult all

01:31:21.700 this kind of thing yes but but over time obviously that's become uh you know broader like a few years

01:31:27.180 ago there was the brain size thing now the youtube guidelines include things like talking about the

01:31:31.360 election in a way that uh would be cast out on the results or something like this uh and so

01:31:36.500 to me anyway what i would be the most optimistic about would be the potential of them broadening it to

01:31:41.740 such an extent that sites like gab which in the long run i think of a much higher probability of

01:31:47.420 upholding sort of free speech norms than do does a site like twitter will be filled with increasingly

01:31:53.060 uh sort of normal conservatives as opposed to just crazy ones uh because and to some degree i think we

01:32:00.820 saw this recently when trump was banned i'm not sure exactly how big of an effect this is but

01:32:05.660 supposedly anyway there were a large number of people moving to parlor and gab who weren't previously on

01:32:09.560 there i assume they're more moderate people than were the uh previous residents of those sites

01:32:14.080 and that might be sorry oh no go ahead i was going to say when i did my some research on these

01:32:24.960 fundamentalist christians i i would it took me a while to understand to to to think how they think

01:32:31.840 and thus to not break their speech codes so they had certain words you know that certain and if you

01:32:38.420 were a fundamentalist christian you would just intuitively know that no you can't say that

01:32:43.340 you just know it and and even if it changed over time what you can and can't say or can and can't do

01:32:48.500 you'd just be synced in and you just know it and you wouldn't get it wrong and that's what we're

01:32:53.500 dealing with this with this heresy of multiculturalism it's a religion and the people

01:32:57.580 that are the true the true believers they just know yeah of course you can't say cat lady

01:33:01.380 that they intuitively just yeah they're they're hooked in they know yeah no that's an insult but

01:33:07.180 that could be they know and so it's it's a way of screening out those who don't basically as i think

01:33:12.040 i think these groups are just anti-autistic hate groups because people that are autistic will never

01:33:16.900 be able to get it right they'll never be able to know they'll always think logically and they'll

01:33:20.640 they just persecute them that's what adl is it's an anti-autism hate group but you know i think

01:33:25.540 that's that thing that you it's it's a way it's a religion and it's a way of making sure that you

01:33:30.360 you're you're a true believer so they can cast it wider and wider and wider and wider the flip side

01:33:35.900 the people that are going to defend that kind of free speech that interests me i'm afraid they're also

01:33:40.980 going to be religious it's just which religion is worse and i used to think when i was younger that

01:33:46.440 it was christianity and tradition that was worse and and and i used to be atheistic and go on and on

01:33:52.440 about it and now i think it's not no i think it's the new multiculturalism that's worse but it's one

01:33:56.900 or the other you're not you're never going to be able to say anything i mean you can say what you

01:34:00.960 like about race um in saudi arabia um uh fine you can have a much more frank scientific discussion

01:34:08.240 in saudi arabia than you can now in the west but you you can't slag off islam so that's that's

01:34:14.500 the border and as long as you don't care you've got to make a choice which is better to be able to

01:34:17.900 slag off islam and not say anything about science or to be able to say what you like about science

01:34:22.340 but you can't slag off islam you've got to make a choice and that's i think that's the thing

01:34:26.720 do you want to talk about the gino carano situation um uh because this it seems to this discussion kind

01:34:35.360 of leads there but unless anyone wants to say anything else about de-platforming uh i'm actually

01:34:40.580 gonna have to jump off here because i'm talking to someone else that ate my time oh okay i just want

01:34:44.920 to eat something before then but it's okay i know nothing about the gino carano situation anyway so it

01:34:49.000 might be a good time to leave anyway all right yes yeah i don't even know what you're talking about

01:34:53.600 oh yeah i can't believe you do it i'll explain it to you oh by the way keith i sorted it out with

01:34:59.500 odyssey and it's now uploading my videos but it's only uploading the ones that are published it's not

01:35:04.380 uploading the ones that are privated and it's not uploading the live streams well if you do a live

01:35:10.160 stream it'll upload it afterwards but yeah your private videos won't get uploaded well that's useless to

01:35:15.960 me but it'll be it'll be a complete copy of your youtube channel i wanted to copy the things that

01:35:23.720 aren't published as well well you could upload them separately but then that would take ages

01:35:28.740 well see right anyway okay it's gonna be worth it when you're when you're totally censored in the uk

01:35:36.480 on bitch you and no one in germany is allowed to watch ed tutton videos you'll at least be on lbr way

01:35:42.780 all right take care all right thank you keith i'll talk to you soon man um all right let me read a

01:35:51.700 couple of super chats and then i'll talk about the gina carano situation because it i think our

01:35:56.840 discussion kind of leads into that and we have some other topics we can mention but um first off um

01:36:02.920 magic fish gave us 50 bucks thank you um yehuda finkelstein um this is for um okay this this

01:36:11.880 relates to britney spears ed britney is nuts like michael jackson was her dad is managing her estate

01:36:17.240 and her life so she doesn't meet a bad end like jacko might be true um these uh so this is for sean

01:36:27.080 this is boomer deadhead okay we have got the over 60 grateful dead audience that that is a huge part

01:36:36.080 of this coalition um sean are you an academic you sound like griff du lion uh he red pilled me on

01:36:45.300 social issues uh already knew something weird was happening as i was a welder in mines and new diesel

01:36:51.940 engines were safe even if you tuned them when you were totally buzzed um i have no idea what that

01:36:59.920 means but do you want to respond to that uh well i don't have a very good response i suppose the only

01:37:06.400 response i can give really is i don't uh i i don't talk about sort of my private life stuff okay

01:37:13.080 that's that's we can leave it right there um okay so gina carano um so gina carano is a famous um

01:37:26.060 mma female mixed martial arts badass and she was kind of the first woman to get on these big winning

01:37:34.320 streaks and i think her discipline is my tie uh and so on so she kind of became a celebrity that way

01:37:41.100 and then she had a bit of a film career uh she had one action movie here and there uh one action

01:37:47.880 movie i think she starred in called haywire and um and so on so she was a kind of minor figure in

01:37:54.620 hollywood uh she got a big break recently on the disney plus show the mandalorian which is a star wars

01:38:04.540 thing and it's kind of it's led to a certain kind of revival of star wars it's full of nostalgia

01:38:10.480 and baby yoda and even luke skywalker comes back so it's it's even in in a weird way it's a bit of a

01:38:18.880 kind of conservative show where it's it's certainly become the the show for the right-wing fanboys um

01:38:25.940 and it is fun my kids actually love it um but she was doing some kind of conservative tweeting

01:38:33.220 um on on twitter and so some some there were people demanding that she put her pronouns in her

01:38:40.960 bio and then she so she put her pronouns beep bop boop which is i i found kind of amusing uh and uh

01:38:48.880 she also was kind of doing some a little bit of light uh stop the steal stuff and anti-math stuff but

01:38:56.060 nothing that was really uh you know it was pretty typical uh she seemed to be signaling that she was

01:39:02.340 a conservative but i i don't think any of those things were uh much of a big problem but she was

01:39:08.400 fired from the show and she was more or less denounced um by disney that said you know we we find her

01:39:17.140 unacceptable and um they they were denigrating people but what seemed to uh what seemed to be too much

01:39:25.720 was this comment which she posted on instagram and then she deleted and it says jews were beaten in

01:39:32.900 the streets not by nazi soldiers but by their neighbors even children and then sad emoji uh because

01:39:40.960 history is edited most people today don't realize that to get to the point where nazi soldiers could

01:39:47.360 easily round up thousands of jews the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for

01:39:53.540 being jews how is this any different from hating someone for their political views so um she seems to be

01:40:00.940 indicating that hating on conservatives is like uh the early days of the third reich and might lead to

01:40:09.520 a conservative holocaust um uh i guess and it's interesting how this statement was cancelable uh because

01:40:20.000 it is not by any means denying the holocaust she claims that history is edited we don't talk about

01:40:26.480 the holocaust enough uh but what it is doing is kind of using the holocaust for her own me or for her

01:40:35.300 own ends you could say and in the sense that it's it's equating conservatives with jews and that is

01:40:42.120 something that is absolutely uh verboten um i i think to a very large degree um in in academia and i i

01:40:51.340 noticed this pretty intensely is that um you know the holocaust has no peer uh there are new you know

01:41:00.300 disciplines of genocide studies and so on i actually was even a ta for a course on genocide but um there is a

01:41:07.480 very strong impulse towards uh not uh not equating anything with the holocaust it is kind of the the

01:41:17.540 baddest of bad it's it's a kind of negative moral center of the the liberal universe and in this weird

01:41:26.420 way gina carano was i think you know in some ways trying to appeal to jews by evoking the holocaust but

01:41:33.780 she didn't get the she didn't get the memo she didn't speak the language and got canceled for it

01:41:39.240 what about not speaking the language because you show that you're part of the cult by speaking the

01:41:45.000 right language but i i couldn't couldn't it also be that that um they have secret doubts and they are

01:41:53.480 in these liberals and they are in denial and on some level they know that they are the kind of people

01:41:59.100 who were at nazi germany they'd be the super conformists who would be getting the jews that's

01:42:03.480 exactly what they'd be doing and it would be and it would be people like us who would be defending

01:42:08.560 them the non-conformists the dissidents and so then they know that and they don't like that and so

01:42:15.720 and it is ironic that they acted like they canceled her yeah and they they justify the triggering by

01:42:24.840 saying oh well there's nothing you can compare to the holocaust the holocaust is unique you're

01:42:28.340 downplaying the suffering of six six billion jews or whatever you know but but in reality it's it's

01:42:33.320 triggered the because they're all mentally unstable neurotic these leftists and it's it's they don't

01:42:37.940 like themselves and it's triggered this thing they really don't like about themselves which is deep

01:42:41.660 down they know they are a conformist who's capable of killing but of course i mean they do allow

01:42:48.300 us to compare some things to the holocaust i mean liberals have said innumerable times over the last

01:42:54.020 four years oh look with it they're rounding up the children at the border we know where this goes

01:42:58.440 this sort of thing right uh there are things that they compare to the holocaust it just shows a kind

01:43:03.880 of hierarchy of suffering in their minds the things you can and cannot compare to it and whatnot which is

01:43:10.320 well it is what the left is but i don't know if they know i mean from their eyes right i don't i doubt

01:43:19.260 that they know that they sort of would be the nazis they would just view themselves as the people who

01:43:23.340 who would have stopped who would have done what the liberals of the time wouldn't have been willing

01:43:27.480 to do to stop the nazis from happening which is i guess just yeah killing anyone of a certain or

01:43:32.480 otherwise harming someone with a certain probability of becoming one uh it's interesting

01:43:38.780 somewhat that this woman now i guess is working for uh ben shapiro's new movie studio as i understand

01:43:46.540 it uh which i don't know it's kind of the gab of hollywood in a way because it's it's you know it's

01:43:56.160 like the anti-hollywood but that's kind of reproducing hollywood it's it's a caducean function to name

01:44:04.080 drop a little bit but it it's like so you get you know you get banned from hollywood because you

01:44:12.160 don't quite speak their language precisely and then you kind of go into this conservative hollywood

01:44:18.400 where conservatives are going to buy this much like you know the religious right actually made a

01:44:23.540 lot of these films like you know god's not dead one through three and fireproof and all all of the

01:44:29.640 they kind of create their own kind of conservative hollywood um but one that in many ways um messages

01:44:38.980 the same as hollywood itself i i have to go now okay but it's a pleasure to uh to speak to you both

01:44:46.880 and uh uh see you um see you in arm all right i'll talk to you soon now

01:44:52.980 uh but yeah i i think there's it's it's an interesting thing when you ask like what is

01:45:03.520 liberalism and that it seems to be it has this like negative center moral center to it

01:45:11.540 in the sense that what does it really mean to be a liberal i mean they're you know incoherent

01:45:19.640 and contradictory in so many ways but it kind of what it means to be a liberal is to not be hitler

01:45:25.860 there there's you know whereas in other societies there's a kind of moral center that's function

01:45:31.640 that that's based on an institution uh or something like this uh or god or or a book or or what have you

01:45:40.140 um the institution of the or the moral center of liberalism seems to be a a black hole it's just pure

01:45:47.800 negation it's not being hitler i mean i guess i would see that as a kind of mask

01:45:54.300 um i'm one thing hitler like for instance if we're talking about like mexicans or blacks or

01:45:59.140 something like this right the idea isn't oh we can't have the attitude that hitler had towards

01:46:02.680 mexicans or blacks and that's the worst thing in the world because them famously wasn't all that

01:46:06.980 racist of a view uh to begin with in some ways but i mean to me anyway i think the like i said

01:46:13.860 there are different sort of in different societies in the different times you call things the left or

01:46:18.140 liberalism and maybe there isn't one essential definition across all contexts blah blah blah but

01:46:22.220 i think the the the most important i think understanding of it has a positive development

01:46:27.420 which is just a kind of uh rebellion against a set of pre-existing natural hierarchies in society

01:46:34.800 whereby mostly through tactics of subversion those groups which are naturally tend to be for various

01:46:40.180 for different reasons depending on the group towards the bottom of those hierarchies attempt

01:46:44.100 to not equalize but invert those hierarchies right and that i mean and to be a nazi in our society is

01:46:51.640 sort of just to think that virtually any kind of natural hierarchy is justified right that's what

01:46:56.740 functionally it means to be a nazi in our society is to think that we don't need to invert any of

01:47:01.760 these hierarchies well but what does that mean for liberalism as a ruling

01:47:09.300 hegemonic ideology you know and it's it's funny because i i i tweeted about this last night there

01:47:16.580 there was there there's a spate of anti-asian um violence going on in in i think san francisco but

01:47:24.680 also new york city most prominently right now where there's been you know lots of just street level

01:47:30.400 brutality caught on camera and this is overwhelmingly done by african americans against asians and there's

01:47:38.200 probably some interesting reasons why this is happening why this is happening now and how that

01:47:43.840 relates even to covid and lockdowns and and unemployment all all sorts of things but it is

01:47:50.220 it that is the racial dynamic um and they responded to this by marching against white nationalism

01:47:57.360 you know it's i don't know of a single white nationalist who was engaged in anti-asian

01:48:04.920 street level violence uh recently but that's what they march against i mean i i joked that you know

01:48:10.800 um you know white nationalists are behind this and you know the worst of all to add insult to injury

01:48:16.500 they've been attacking asians in blackface uh but you know but it gets at this weird thing

01:48:26.220 where you you know the the left at some point in time was a genuinely anti-authoritarian anti-ruling

01:48:38.020 class entity but that is not where we are right now we're kind of in this point of of institutionalized

01:48:45.640 revolution where i mean to to say liberalism you know whatever that might mean but liberalism is

01:48:53.540 hegemonic is redundant at this point this is the ruling ideology of academia the federal government

01:49:02.340 most churches most chess clubs i mean is this is diversity liberalism individualism liberation etc

01:49:12.100 and again how can this like not eat its own or how can this actually be a governing ideology in the

01:49:21.500 future well in the long run probably it can't uh because it is it's a conflict oriented thing and

01:49:31.480 it's increasingly hard to sort of espouse the ideas of liberalism while being so

01:49:36.800 obviously contradictory to them um but i mean with respect to the sort of authoritarianism thing

01:49:42.940 i mean i don't know how anti-authoritarianism liberalism really was um maybe we want to section

01:49:50.080 communism off of something that's not liberal and call that like the left versus liberal distinction

01:49:54.020 or something like that but even if you look at an american context uh liberalism certainly i mean for

01:50:01.500 one thing we were not very tolerant of i mean fundamentally what liberalism is not tolerant of

01:50:06.140 is any kind of illiberalism if you were a communist here in the 1920s or an anarchist or something like

01:50:10.900 that i don't think you would have thought much of the tolerance of liberalism and moreover i mean

01:50:15.440 liberalism is profoundly intolerant of liberalism elsewhere in the world i mean the strategy for

01:50:20.680 the first 200 years was literally just kill everyone you're not on this liberalism thing

01:50:25.320 uh and and then once we sort of i don't think it's a coincidence that once liberalism really was quite

01:50:31.740 dominant uh around the world and moreover left-wing people gained control over institutions fairly

01:50:37.840 quickly thereafter those institutions became very authoritarian um i i i don't i guess maybe i have a

01:50:44.780 less liberal view of liberalism so i have to speak on the history thereof right well i mean on some level

01:50:52.040 like pure individual libertarianism demands a world government i mean you because somewhere

01:51:02.160 out there someone's going to be oppressing someone you know in the sense of if if that if if that is

01:51:11.780 your view then you need to engage in a in a kind of infinite um liberation of people you can first

01:51:20.160 liberate the slaves uh you can then you know liberate someone working in a sweatshop or forced labor or

01:51:27.920 something uh but then you if that is your governing ideology that that is going to go to the church to

01:51:35.160 the family to government to maybe taxation who knows it just it just kind of never ends um and and i and i and i think

01:51:43.660 you could see a little bit of this you know animus um even you know certainly in americanism but but even in you

01:51:52.260 know so-called conservatives who were you know dick cheney talking about you know women voting in iraq and uh you know

01:51:59.160 you know little girls going to school finally and and all this kind of stuff this idea that that someone

01:52:04.700 out there is not liberal is is kind of horrifying to the liberal mind and it has to ultimately engage in a

01:52:12.080 global revolution um and i mean that kind of attitude is also i think very good for the sustainability of

01:52:19.660 liberal democracies because sort of a and american civil war is a good example of why this is

01:52:25.140 people naturally have a predisposition towards being tribal and hating another uh and if in a

01:52:31.760 democratic context the group that so if you have a thing but society is divided into groups that

01:52:36.520 increasingly hate each other that's very threatening to a democratic system because the whole basis

01:52:40.520 of democracy is this idea that look our differences aren't that profound we can get together and vote

01:52:44.560 uh and because people are naturally quite tribal and hateful a way and i think maybe the only way to

01:52:50.020 really sustain them in the long run is to get them to hate someone outside of the society

01:52:53.300 right which is why you have um like during wartime right everyone in the country is really on board

01:53:00.260 in this sort of thing and this is a kind of driving ethos of liberalism for a long time is we can all

01:53:06.040 unite we have our differences but we can unite because we're fighting the enemy and the enemy is

01:53:10.280 outside of our borders um and that was kind of a a ticking time bomb situation because and we can say

01:53:17.400 it was predictable because literally people wrote about this in the 30s and whatnot it literally was

01:53:20.920 predicted that if that's how the situation works then once liberalism becomes dominant obviously

01:53:26.360 that strategy cannot perpetuate and then you're going to have people starting to increasingly have

01:53:31.280 to find that sort of satisfaction for their need to hate and outgroup within the society and then that

01:53:38.020 will lead to a kind of well sort of intolerant norms that mirrors what we see now right so i mean

01:53:44.800 gina carano is kind of right basically and you know like if you don't have an evil oppressive fascist

01:53:53.540 in the middle east that you can go to war with and and i think the i i don't expect any kind of iraq

01:54:01.080 style campaign to come about in the foreseeable future i think the the american empire is is actually

01:54:07.340 kind of strained to a degree that that we we shouldn't underestimate um you you you have to create

01:54:14.340 some kind of other within the society and that could be trump it could be this vague white

01:54:22.340 nationalism of new york city which is attacking asians at random in chinatown whatever uh or it

01:54:29.660 might kind of be what gina carano is saying which is that there there needs to be an other within the

01:54:36.740 society that needs to be crushed and that that can kind of take place on the level of canceling

01:54:44.820 or or you know outrage politics or social media shrillness etc but um but it might actually kind

01:54:53.520 of eventuate in a in in a physical uh confrontation with this other group that's used to unite a you know

01:55:03.220 broader society that might actually fragment on its own yeah physical confrontation or a sort of

01:55:11.720 i mean the the main way to avoid that historically in our society has been to just scare people into

01:55:16.940 but you can't really have a physical confrontation because no one would admit to holding the views

01:55:20.080 anymore um but we already see that i mean uh as i mean you know uh better than most people if you

01:55:26.020 went out for instance and just openly said i agree with the median views of people on race in america

01:55:32.520 circa 1950 the probability of you getting physically assaulted you know uh is not that low uh if you so

01:55:38.220 as it is and that sort of bar just moves with time right yeah uh so i i don't know i i think in some

01:55:49.560 ways like the biden ascension is about at least rhetorically it's about you know back to normalcy

01:55:58.920 it's let's go back you know seven or eight years where things were kind of happier pre-trump

01:56:05.120 um we'll all come together as americans etc unity etc but i i think that's really impossible uh it's a

01:56:14.760 kind of nostalgic vision for a stable society that that i don't i think is increasingly impossible

01:56:20.160 oh yeah i mean it's totally i mean obviously it's just it's completely insane yeah we're going to have

01:56:25.060 some kind of unity behind an ideology which says that it there's a moral impetus behind hating

01:56:30.400 people that hold views that something like half the country holds i mean that's just it doesn't

01:56:34.560 take a genius to figure out that's that's crazy um yeah and and it's also it's it's it's kind of

01:56:42.020 weird rhetoric biden obviously talks about unity constantly this inauguration speech was very

01:56:46.860 centric with it and it sounded yeah i think more than seven years old it reminded me of what a

01:56:52.360 politician especially a politician like him a sort of democratic catholic politician might have said

01:56:57.740 about diversity sometime in the 90s or 80s yeah which makes sense because that's i mean he's so

01:57:04.400 old uh that's literally you know there's a reason for that um but but yeah i mean this is just the unity

01:57:13.580 stuff i mean obviously they don't want unity it's it's a again it's a mask i mean for whatever reason

01:57:20.560 these people and for an obvious reason i guess they can't openly say what they're doing but we all

01:57:26.100 know what that unity ends up looking like i mean yeah i mean it's talked about unity too and so yeah

01:57:33.760 do you think i mean to go back to something that i was i i brought up briefly do you think the american

01:57:40.940 empire is kind of more fragile than people imagine it and and it's a weird situation where

01:57:50.460 there's not a another serious competitor out there for defining a global geopolitics now there's

01:58:00.720 certainly china although china has been and still is tightly integrated into the american empire in terms

01:58:08.320 of manufacturing and consumerism uh etc there's certainly no soviet union which was ideologically

01:58:16.620 expressing you know another way forward um but you know i i've been thinking about this recently i mean

01:58:24.240 maybe i'll kind of run this idea by you but so i i the the american empire is fundamentally about

01:58:35.040 1944 and bread and woods it is fundamentally about a kind of planetary dollar system and it has been

01:58:44.520 it has benefited from this in tremendous ways whether whether it's the dollar is a reserve currency whether

01:58:52.060 it's um oil being priced in dollars um with which has been you know militarily enforced um you know and

01:59:03.160 it is this and it has allowed the united states to create debt like no other country has ever created

01:59:12.840 debt and and to effectively suffer no consequences i mean you know we like to say things like the

01:59:18.760 american taxpayer is funding this welfare program and the american taxpayer is funding this war overseas

01:59:24.420 or whatever the american taxpayer is not funding any of this this is all funded through the creation

01:59:30.360 of digits effectively through debt financing and that at some point this system is going to break down

01:59:41.160 and and i think there's going to be kind of like a lot more things possible and and i think some kind of

01:59:47.640 real ideological adversary will arise against america as it begins to fall but you know you look at all of

01:59:56.520 these um these renewed or not renewed really new pushes for um direct uh handouts whether it's something like

02:00:08.040 ubi which was an unknown you know concept four or five years ago or barely known is now actually pretty

02:00:16.360 mainstream the push for two thousand dollars a month at the very least for one month but maybe on an ongoing

02:00:22.440 basis um due to covet just the kind of reality setting in of the middle class american dream not being

02:00:30.440 possible um on both left and right there is a a renewed energy for direct populism that is direct payments

02:00:40.120 and whereas the united states has been able to engage in just unbelievable type financing when it's put

02:00:50.760 throwing money at war throwing money overseas uh just creating almost infinite credit through the federal reserve

02:00:57.240 and that kind of going into the financial system sometimes equities sometimes other things um once you

02:01:04.280 start once there is this push from the the public for direct payments that this is where the rubber hits the

02:01:14.280 road i mean if the government is giving everyone thousand dollars a month the government's giving two

02:01:20.520 thousand bucks to the the public in a one-time or multi-time covet payment that money is going to be

02:01:27.080 spent almost immediately and some of it will go to pay off debt but a lot of it is just a going into the

02:01:34.600 economy and you know i don't i hesitate to sound like a libertarian but these kinds of things really are going to

02:01:41.640 start creating inflation and inflation creates a lot a lot of uncertainty and in an additional angst and

02:01:52.360 it seems like this whole dollar system is planetary dollar system is going to unwind because the they can't

02:02:02.280 maintain a middle-class lifestyle on the home front that if they if they push all of these digits into the

02:02:10.520 financial system or overseas or whatever that they can maintain that because it is all kind of in the

02:02:16.360 air it once they have to once the rubber has to hit the road and they start they have to start paying

02:02:22.840 all citizens just to maintain some kind of basic level of of survival um then i i think we might actually

02:02:32.520 start to see the kind of unwinding of this system serious inflation um a lot of moves to alternatives

02:02:39.000 i mean we see this now with you know cryptocurrency bitcoin uh and so on and that i you know maybe

02:02:46.920 within the next 25 years we're going to kind of start to see the unwinding of this empire

02:02:54.200 well i mean there's a lot so there's a lot there um certainly there's there's more populist push for

02:03:00.840 direct payments and that puts stress on the financial system although we do have to say obviously that the

02:03:05.800 uh elite establishment such as it is has done a reasonable job constraining this so far um yes

02:03:12.440 the they've not given people nearly as much money as they want it looks like biden probably won't even

02:03:17.080 uh raise the minimum wage very significantly uh right etc uh but but but the trends are what they are

02:03:25.240 and yeah i mean it seems inevitable that eventually this kind of debt will have some kind of profound

02:03:34.200 effect more than the the already the effect that it's had thus far aside from maybe inflation being

02:03:39.880 higher than what it otherwise would have been although it's been very low as it is obviously it's

02:03:43.160 just people lending money to the government rather than uh the sort of private economy economic cost involved

02:03:48.600 in that but i i think that it could in terms of a looming sort of financial disaster that threatens

02:03:54.760 the system at a fundamental level that seems reasonably probable eventually it's hard to put

02:04:00.840 an exact date on it but it'd be interesting to think about the ways in which they could break down

02:04:05.480 in america i mean something that i think is a potential thing that could happen anyway is a kind of

02:04:12.840 war not a literal war but a political war of uh of welfare groups because if the american financial

02:04:19.560 system uh and the government debt problem does become untenable something that is immediately

02:04:25.480 obvious is that there are two very large sort of there's a division between our welfare payments

02:04:30.360 there's welfare for poor people and welfare for old people and these are you know very different

02:04:35.800 things and conservatives said this for a long time but i think it's reasonably likely to be true that

02:04:40.120 a trigger for this could have to do with social security um and that would lead to a particular

02:04:49.080 political scenario i guess what i'm getting at is depending on the exact trigger i think the the sort

02:04:53.320 of political potential of that moment will will differ quite a lot because if it's that kind of thing

02:04:59.720 that happens i'm not sure exactly how ideologically uh

02:05:07.160 uh well i i guess it's not clear to me that there's a great way to go uh in that moment i imagine

02:05:15.800 entitlement probably the entitlement promises is like unfathomable it's like 200 trillion or so i i i've

02:05:23.880 heard this you know the the what is ultimately owed in social security and and maybe even increasing

02:05:30.920 medicare costs or medic uh yeah medicare costs and so on is just unfathomable and you know so those

02:05:38.840 people in their 80s are going to be competing against people in their 20s and 30s who are part of

02:05:46.040 an underclass that also needs welfare and you know money seem has seemed infinite throughout my entire

02:05:53.640 lifetime we can just keep creating debt i mean where are we in the national debt what is it 30 trillion or

02:05:59.400 20 i i've never yeah it's just some insane number and but like it is seemed infinite and you can just

02:06:08.120 create monopoly money and even though there has been and certainly has been inflation it's been slow

02:06:12.680 enough that it hasn't really bothered people but this just can't go on and you know at the very least

02:06:20.120 right now we're seeing these like maybe early stages but real stages of just demanding direct payments

02:06:28.360 i have not really seen that in my lifetime you know the liberals never really talked about welfare that

02:06:33.800 much they talked about the the middle class you know and um and and welfare was just a thing out

02:06:40.840 there some conservatives would rage against it impotently uh but now you know giving everyone cash

02:06:49.480 that now is in the air and even though biden is is is there to resist it clearly it it does seem inevitable

02:06:57.240 and as you know as things get worse it it definitely seems inevitable and i just think that is a kind of new

02:07:05.880 situation for the american empire where it's not about you know borrowing a trillion dollars to go to war in iraq or some

02:07:13.480 nonsense like that um it's about you know there is a demand for multi-trillion in payments coming from

02:07:21.320 both left and right so yeah and i mean i think that reflects more so than anything particular about

02:07:28.120 america a problem with sort of well i suppose a problem with capitalism to some degree uh and to be

02:07:35.560 clear i have a favorable view of capitalism in general whatnot but there's a i mean in our society now

02:07:42.200 there's a kind of weird thing where a certain kind of greed is almost seen as a virtue uh and

02:07:49.560 as long as it's you know framed as a morally somehow you're morally justified to things you

02:07:54.360 don't have and this sort of thing and what's gone on in our society for a long time now this is the

02:07:58.840 root of a lot of different political discussions surrounding the economy is that while people's income

02:08:02.600 has risen with time our sort of norms for the standard of material living have risen even faster than

02:08:07.640 our incomes have and that i think is created by the fact that we don't know how to deal with very

02:08:12.840 well the sort of momentum of uh innovation that you see in a capitalist context which is not the

02:08:19.000 historical norm obviously uh the historical norm is a flat line virtually in comparison um and i don't know

02:08:27.080 the the political solution to that is not at all obvious but so long as that's true and that's been

02:08:31.240 i mean massively true in america uh the the the entire the entire sort of economic populist thing

02:08:38.920 going on in america is significantly based on just just utter fantasy people talk about things like

02:08:44.520 uh oh the the the median wage has an increase since the 70s or something like this by playing various

02:08:49.160 little statistical tricks uh is absolutely not true uh the amount of the proportion of income people spend

02:08:55.960 on the necessities is much lower now than it was in the 70s or 80s and yet people are much more

02:09:01.080 upset politically about not having things and that's because the things that we think we just

02:09:05.480 need to have have risen in in obvious ways and in some non-obvious ways like for instance you cannot

02:09:10.760 and it's not even legal to buy the sort of house you could buy in 1970 because of various things like

02:09:15.240 the pipes the paint and etc so we in some to some degree there are involuntary changes in the standard

02:09:21.560 of living uh reflecting legal regulations about how things are built but insofar as we're talking

02:09:28.600 about the domestic thing yeah that seems to me to be the fundamental problem and there's no yeah

02:09:34.120 i don't see any obvious solution for that it's so rooted in sort of just psychology and then how

02:09:40.920 what people are going to do when they see all these new things happening what could you do i mean it's

02:09:46.680 it's just in the long run well i i think it's rooted in two things i mean to to push back a little bit on

02:09:53.160 the the wage increases i mean you know wages obviously have increased i mean the minimum wage

02:10:00.520 hasn't increased for a decade or or something like that and in terms of being a middle class american

02:10:08.280 while it's true that like there hasn't been a tremendous amount of like inflation on food or

02:10:14.840 basic necessities or so on um the inflation of say like higher education and all of these things that

02:10:22.840 that became norms as this is what it means to be a middle class american is that you go to

02:10:28.520 undergraduate college these things have inflated beyond you know reckoning i mean just just you know

02:10:36.280 it is and again it's debt finance certainly housing inflation over you know a longer it can go up and

02:10:42.360 down but over a longer period it's gone up tremendously where you know just buying a house with your first

02:10:48.040 job is is unthinkable but go ahead if you want to add on that sure i mean so with respect to both

02:10:55.000 those things with regards to education i mean we see horror stories sometimes about people going like

02:11:00.200 two hundred thousand dollars in debt or something like this but yeah there are ways to go through

02:11:03.720 college that uh do not cost all that much money i've looked at in a couple years the last time i did

02:11:09.080 the median amount of college that was something like twenty thousand dollars which is significant but

02:11:12.680 very payable over the course of someone's twenties um but also we have to and this is part of the

02:11:21.160 this is also part of like i said this changes of uh standards for what we consider to be necessary

02:11:26.040 in life but with respect to education we do have to also consider the change of the uh return you get

02:11:31.480 from education because now the income difference between people who have degrees and people do not is

02:11:35.800 much greater than it was say in the early 20th century um and so if you calculate it in terms of

02:11:42.680 how much you're paying per dollar increased in terms of your income due to the education the price of

02:11:48.360 american education actually peaked sometime i want to say in the 1940s but a long time ago

02:11:54.520 it's nowhere near and this is on average now again you can get a very there are elite colleges that sort of

02:12:00.680 charge i mean amounts that are totally crazy but it's important to remember that most americans go

02:12:06.920 to community colleges and public universities that do not cost all that much money um now with respect

02:12:14.600 to to housing so houses on average cost more now most of that uh somewhat surprisingly is due to

02:12:23.800 increases in the sizes of houses that people buy so that the price of like the square foot per square

02:12:30.280 foot of houses now has not changed much in like 30 40 years it's very close to what it has been for a

02:12:36.680 long time uh and that i think more directly speaks to to what i'm saying about changes in material

02:12:42.120 standards of living because people buy yeah people spend more on houses now and more in apartments but

02:12:46.520 also our houses and apartments are just physically much bigger than they used to be if we were still buying

02:12:50.600 ones of the same size it wouldn't cost nearly as much um there was something else

02:13:01.640 oh with respect to the the minimum wage so it's true the minimum wage is lower now in terms of real

02:13:07.080 terms than it used to be but i mean it's also it's like unless you're you have to be

02:13:14.040 what's a nice way to put it uh you're not supposed to have a minimum wage job for very long like if

02:13:20.440 anyone gets a minimum wage job a year or two later they should be able to get a job that does not pay

02:13:24.920 the minimum wage uh it's a very small number of people that are like stuck for a long time

02:13:29.880 in the minimum wage uh sort of section of the economy uh and right so the the vast majority of

02:13:36.520 people have got greater amounts of income with time even though i suppose that's probably not true if

02:13:40.840 you look at people who just live off of the minimum wage that's a very select right but

02:13:46.040 isn't there a kind of like mcdonald's and even like barista class that's emerging that they're not

02:13:52.680 really gonna go somewhere like this isn't a summer job this is their life

02:13:59.160 well i don't know if that's i mean there are a few things to say i mean for one thing

02:14:05.240 that's partly due to a change in the demographic composition of people so if you follow like

02:14:09.880 the grandchildren of the people who were here 60 years ago overwhelmingly are not doing that

02:14:16.680 but we have brought new people into the country who uh we have to deal with but it is worth noting

02:14:22.920 in fact this is an economic improvement over where they would have been otherwise for the most part um

02:14:30.200 but i don't know i mean i don't think many people are staying i don't know what you could you would

02:14:34.520 have to be to stay like uh at a mcdonald's for a i worked at the mcdonald's my first job i had

02:14:41.320 whenever i was uh i was like 14 or something and i i kept a bet you what you'd have to do i mean i've

02:14:47.800 seen people like this right you're like 35 and somehow working at a mcdonald's but that that i

02:14:52.840 don't think is a very significant number of people and and they've gotten louder i think is more than

02:14:57.320 anything what it is uh they've gotten louder and it's also worth noting some of these people are

02:15:02.280 actually coming from our previous non-working class due to welfare reform and acting in the

02:15:06.520 90s and the like uh that moved a bunch of people so they used to just literally do nothing and they

02:15:11.560 were invisible to most people to now all of a sudden they're like at your arby's or whatever

02:15:20.280 interesting well let's do this i have to go to my um let's put a bookmark in it i have to go to my um

02:15:27.960 um supporter call but um yeah i'm really glad you joined us we've been talking about this for a

02:15:34.280 while we didn't quite talk about what i thought we were going to talk about it's all right that's

02:15:38.760 what usually happens on these streams um but yeah uh let's let's stay in touch i'd love for you to come

02:15:44.520 back on i mean you're i think you're kind of pushing back against some of the things i'm saying so i think

02:15:49.480 that's that's good uh yeah i mean even on the even on the distant right i have a an unpopular take i

02:15:56.440 guess on some of these things but what can you yeah you're you're a boomer capitalist uh rush limbaugh

02:16:02.520 listener or something yeah i can't have that no uh but anyway uh thank you everyone for um donating

02:16:13.160 on our super chats we actually this this is great this is kind of our triumphant return to uh live

02:16:18.280 streaming and we uh you guys definitely want us to do more of this so we will uh and thank you everyone

02:16:25.160 for watching and uh thank you especially sean for uh being on i'll talk to you guys soon

02:16:30.360 him yes yeah thanks for having me

02:16:50.680 you

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RadixJournal - February 22, 2021

Radix Live -- Ed, Keith, Richard, and special guest Sean Last.

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