RadixJournal - January 21, 2026


Rethinking Jeffrey Epstein

Topics
epstein victims victimization
Hosted by
Richard Spencer
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Jeffrey Epstein Roman Polanski Adolf Hitler Ghislaine Donald Trump Nick Fuentes Germanic Martian Freddy Krueger Dan Bilzerian Ehud Barak Pam Bondi Betsy Jill Mary Jack
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In this episode, we discuss the Epstein scandal, and whether or not it is really as bad as it has been portrayed by the media, and who is really the victim in this whole mess. We also discuss the role of the media in covering Epstein and his alleged involvement with Epstein's alleged victims, and why they should not be seen as victims at all.

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00:00:00.000 And so I'll just offer a brief summary, and then you can maybe pick up on some core ideas and sort of state your case.
00:00:07.480 And then we can talk about new things that have happened and so on.
00:00:12.700 And you can correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm misrepresenting your perspective on this matter.
00:00:18.340 First off, the notion that Epstein is this evil Freddy Krueger tier pedophile and that that is what this whole hubbub is about is clearly wrong.
00:00:37.460 Pam Bondi said at one point that she couldn't release the Epstein files because it's child porn, in effect, involving Jeffrey Epstein abusing people.
00:00:50.780 Now, there was no doubt some illegality took place over the decades, but to see it in that satanic QAnon child abuse way, I think, is to misunderstand it. 0.91
00:01:09.140 So much of the party culture was about sex, obviously, but it was also about conviviality, building a team, getting elites on the same page.
00:01:23.860 And an interesting thing that you pointed out, with Trump as a sort of exception to the rule, though not exactly an exception, Jeffrey Epstein was gathering together liberal Anglo-American, if we want to say, Zionist, but liberal Zionist.
00:01:46.820 Zionist who actually were far more likely than Lukut to have sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians, far more simply realistic, far less likely to call upon biblical concepts like Amalek in order to justify Israel, though Zionist nevertheless.
00:02:06.980 And so you have the Steven Pinker, the Hawking, even Donald Trump fits into that a little bit, at least pre presidency.
00:02:16.820 You have this collection of liberal Zionist that are all getting on the same page by drinking and screwing hot models, etc. 0.99
00:02:30.360 And if you believe that that kind of thing doesn't happen in all sorts of different industries, you're being naive.
00:02:38.280 That kind of thing happens even with people who are thousandaires as opposed to millionaires or billionaires.
00:02:44.160 They'll do this, too, to some degree.
00:02:46.060 It is what it is.
00:02:47.480 It's not good or bad, it just is.
00:02:50.360 And interestingly, the Epstein obsession seemed to derive from Likud.
00:02:58.580 And if there is any political casualty of note with regard to Israel, it is actually Ehud Barak who was in with Epstein, etc.
00:03:09.980 And so as opposed to just viewing it as these evil people and then these poor victims, some of them are, let's be fair here, some of them are genuine victims.
00:03:21.860 Some of them, they were sinning and being sinned against in some ratio.
00:03:29.660 As opposed to just seeing it through that, looking at it through this lens of a intramural battle about how we think about Israel is much more productive and much more illuminating.
00:03:42.440 So anyway, that's my way of just summarizing your point.
00:03:47.700 You can correct me if I misstated something.
00:03:49.840 You can pick up on something and expand on it, as you will.
00:03:53.140 Yeah, I might be more radical than you in just saying that.
00:03:59.200 Okay, so in terms of the victims, the question I have is who is victimizing these victims?
00:04:06.780 So it's like Epstein had his own multi-level marketing scheme where he basically threw not just Ghislaine, but other kind of secretaries and assistants.
00:04:18.800 He said, hey, I, you know, I want a constant stream of young, beautiful woman just coming into my house and giving me massages and getting to know them. 1.00
00:04:27.940 You know, he wasn't, you know, the funny thing about Epstein is if he just wanted to pay women for sex, he could have been like Dan Bilzerian and he could have just paid women for sex. 0.99
00:04:36.420 He actually didn't do that. 0.55
00:04:37.820 This is sort of a nuanced view into his psychology is what he wanted was for women to come in to give him massages and for him to kind of gauge the frequency to see, okay, is there some tension here?
00:04:50.380 Do I like this girl?
00:04:51.400 Does she like me?
00:04:52.060 Are we a good fit like that?
00:04:54.000 But he had this process in place.
00:04:57.020 He had this system in place where if you bring a new girl in, then I'll pay you a finder's fee. 0.99
00:05:04.280 And so as a result, it's like you can very quickly create a multi-level marketing scheme out of that.
00:05:11.060 And so the girls who came to his house, it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein cruising around in a white van and saying, hey, you want some candy?
00:05:18.820 You know, he wasn't doing any of that himself.
00:05:20.860 It was all of these women who eventually filtered down to the level of a local high school who he had never personally, he never recruited any girls at all.
00:05:31.640 They were recruiting on his behalf.
00:05:33.280 He would go to his home.
00:05:35.240 And this is their sworn testimony is they said he asked them because he's probably concerned.
00:05:40.620 He's like, oh, you look a little young.
00:05:41.900 How old are you?
00:05:42.580 And they said, I'm 18.
00:05:43.700 And they said 18 because the girls who were being paid by him, and I guess this is his fault, ultimately, that the girls who were being paid by him knew that if they said, no, I'm 17, I'm 16, I'm 15, whatever, they knew that Jeffrey Epstein would say, no, get out of my house and I'm not paying you.
00:06:01.180 Don't, you know, don't send underage girls to me. 1.00
00:06:03.400 But the high school recruiters that he had working for him were just trying to make money.
00:06:08.340 So they specifically told the victims, they said, don't tell him you're, in the youngest case, was 14.
00:06:14.640 Don't tell him you're 14, say you're 18, because I want to make money.
00:06:18.420 So in a sense, like, obviously, he's at fault for even constructing this scheme.
00:06:23.040 I mean, it's kind of a crazy idea.
00:06:26.260 And I think it just kind of got away from it. 0.55
00:06:28.580 I mean, it's kind of like sounds like a sex addiction to me.
00:06:31.200 Yeah, sort of got away.
00:06:32.620 It's literally an MLM scheme.
00:06:34.040 It's funny.
00:06:35.000 It's like, I sell you doTERRA, you sell your neighbor, Betsy doTERRA, she sells Jill doTERRA.
00:06:41.660 Yeah, it's interesting. 0.78
00:06:45.140 Yeah, it's like his own little cryptocurrency with massages and sex and whatever.
00:06:52.540 So he had this going.
00:06:53.820 And again, I would really blame the girls who knowingly recruited young girls who really shouldn't have been in that situation.
00:07:02.620 But at the end of the day, the victimization in question is you had apparently someone stripped down to their underwear and give them a massage.
00:07:13.840 And I don't know what state of undress he was in.
00:07:16.220 And you compare that to like the crimes of Roman Polanski, who's still in the good graces of many people in Hollywood.
00:07:22.540 And he's he's at large in Poland or something. 0.93
00:07:26.000 I mean, the idea that Jeffrey Epstein is worse than Roman Polanski is just ridiculous.
00:07:31.800 He he he didn't.
00:07:32.840 And by the way, I mean, that we could get into Polanski as a side thing, but I'll just state that out flat.
00:07:38.400 That the crime that he was convicted of of actual sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 18.
00:07:44.660 It was like the day before she was turning 18 and all of her testimony.
00:07:49.240 She said, I really don't want to be here.
00:07:50.960 I really have nothing against Jeffrey.
00:07:52.740 I really don't.
00:07:53.660 You know, and they're like, well, it is statutory rape in the state of Florida. 1.00
00:07:56.640 And she was like she was afraid of being prosecuted for prostitution. 0.94
00:08:00.100 That's how they got her to testify. 0.98
00:08:01.840 They said, if you don't testify against Epstein, we'll put you in jail for prostitution, which is quite a different narrative from what we're doing now, where any time any woman has sex, she's always a victim.
00:08:13.800 I mean, this was like a totally different paradigm 20 years ago.
00:08:17.020 You know, that was the conviction.
00:08:18.920 I don't see evidence that he was really intentionally, you know, to the extent that he was victimizing women, it was emotional.
00:08:25.960 It was there were a lot of women who thought Jeffrey Epstein is a god.
00:08:30.400 A lot of them talked about him having like a cult.
00:08:33.240 And I don't think that was a cult in the sense of sacrificing children to Moloch.
00:08:37.040 I think it was like, listen to what Ghislaine says about seasteading and sustainable oceans.
00:08:42.320 It sounds like Scientology.
00:08:44.000 All right.
00:08:44.180 So we've got the multilevel marketing scheme.
00:08:46.120 We've got the obsession with submarines.
00:08:48.420 Like there's something kind of Scientological going on here.
00:08:52.660 You look at all the people he's got around him.
00:08:54.860 Like he was really interested in like genetic engineering and like, how do we make black people smarter?
00:08:59.880 And like, he had these kooky mystical ideas that some of them are pretty smart.
00:09:06.340 Some of them are off the wall, but he probably would talk to these girls and they would be so impressed.
00:09:12.180 And they'd be like, wow, you're, you're this amazing guy.
00:09:15.380 And they think, oh, some of them would tell the cops in these interviews, like, yeah, Jeffrey and I are going to get married.
00:09:21.200 We love each other.
00:09:22.180 And of course, then he wouldn't, he would dump them.
00:09:24.400 He would move on.
00:09:25.620 And I think Ghislaine was unique and some of the other girlfriends he had as well, in the sense that these were women who had the kind of emotional fortitude to tolerate this kind of behavior of just serial philandering, serial.
00:09:40.920 You know, all these implicit promises that we're going to be something and we're romantic together and then he finds someone new.
00:09:48.420 So in that sense, sure, he, she, he emotionally victimized women.
00:09:52.480 But in terms of like, he was forcibly raping and, you know, stealing the innocence and intentionally maliciously doing that sort of thing.
00:09:59.300 I don't think he actually physically was really victimizing people knowingly besides that aspect.
00:10:06.640 Um, I think this has gotten a boost recently on Twitter.
00:10:10.820 I mean, the Epstein thing has like so many cycles at this point.
00:10:13.700 It's like, I can't even count all the cycles or it just continues to come up in the news, continues to come up.
00:10:19.240 But the recent one that I saw was, you know, Nick Fuentes had this take where he said, look, in, in Catholic canon law, the age of marriage for women is like 14.
00:10:28.880 You know, Mary was like 15 when she had Jesus.
00:10:31.940 And so that's completely fine.
00:10:33.980 There's nothing wrong in a biological sense of a 14 year old consenting or what does consent even mean?
00:10:41.380 We're Catholics.
00:10:42.000 We don't even believe in consent.
00:10:43.260 We believe in marriage.
00:10:44.380 And so he was saying that that's not a problem.
00:10:46.800 The problem is the blackmail.
00:10:48.220 And I have a, I have the total opposite perspective.
00:10:51.360 I say, I don't really care what Catholic law says.
00:10:54.820 Like, I actually don't think 14 year olds should be getting married.
00:10:58.720 Sorry.
00:10:59.000 Call me a, call me a woke liberal for that.
00:11:01.680 But yeah, I think actually the historical age of marriage in the Roman empire was the median was probably above 18.
00:11:10.840 I mean, there were some edge cases for political reasons, but I think it's actually kind of historically degenerate.
00:11:16.840 And there was a study on Substack.
00:11:19.760 I forget the author, but he just looked through.
00:11:21.920 Here's, here's all the historical data we have from registers of how old people would be when they got married.
00:11:29.000 And 14 is not the average.
00:11:31.120 It's much closer to 18.
00:11:34.040 And then for like the Puritans, I mean, they were getting married at 20, 26 or something, and they would still have eight kids, you know, they would just get rapid succession, pump them out. 0.93
00:11:42.800 But, you know, that's the side on, on kind of a fee, the feebophilia and whether that's natural or whether we should sort of normalize that.
00:11:50.720 And, but the other side of it is the blackmail is it's, you know, as you said, whether it's like Jack, the construction worker gets together with a few of his buddies and they're having a bachelor party and they hire some strippers, you know, it, that it happens at the lowest level of society.
00:12:09.820 It happens at the highest level of society.
00:12:11.520 This is just what men do when they want to get together and have a good time.
00:12:17.140 So it does that necessitate that there was blackmail going on.
00:12:22.080 I don't think so.
00:12:23.080 I think if you've seen enough, I mean, most people, I guess at this point, because Zoomers are such shut-ins, maybe Nick Fuentes can't imagine now that he's gone to this club in Miami. 1.00
00:12:33.380 Now maybe he has some insight into, yeah, men actually do like to go to clubs and they do like to be around beautiful women.
00:12:40.960 And, and that doesn't mean that any of those men are being blackmailed.
00:12:44.220 It means that they're having a good time.
00:12:46.120 And so I think there's like a deep anti-male, anti-sexual, sterile resentment that comes that Jeffrey Epstein has now, I mean, I think he has lower approval ratings than Adolf Hitler at this point.
00:13:01.620 I think that, that if you say, it used to be that if you said, you know, Hitler did nothing wrong, that was the third way you could never say that.
00:13:08.680 Now it's like, if you say Epstein did nothing wrong, it's like, you know, you are the worst person ever.
00:13:13.400 Oh, but Hitler, you know, that's a historical detail.
00:13:15.860 We can discuss that.
00:13:17.180 So in a sense, it's very, it's very interesting that like, yeah, this Jewish international globalist finance here has kind of become the ultimate enemy of, of America. 0.86
00:13:29.060 And yet, and so what, and so, and, and, but we're still doing the bidding of Likud at the same time. 0.51
00:13:35.340 And isn't there some, a kind of logic to that is that Zionism needs anti-Semitism. 0.84
00:13:42.600 Zionism needs the globalist cosmopolitan Jew to be the ultimate evil so that it can breed antagonism. 1.00
00:13:51.180 So that more Jews say, oh, well, you know, if we don't get out of here, if we don't go to Israel, we could, we could be another Holocaust. 0.96
00:13:58.380 And so they need this. 1.00
00:14:00.340 And it uses that the cosmopolitan Jewish stereotype as a foil to the new Jew, who's like bound to the land, blood and soil, who kicks the ass of every Muslim in sight. 0.99
00:14:13.500 Like the, the, the, the Likud fantasy is let's not be Jeffrey Epstein. 0.99
00:14:18.320 Let's be weirdly more Germanic Martian, basically. 0.80