In this episode, we discuss the Epstein scandal, and whether or not it is really as bad as it has been portrayed by the media, and who is really the victim in this whole mess. We also discuss the role of the media in covering Epstein and his alleged involvement with Epstein's alleged victims, and why they should not be seen as victims at all.
00:00:00.000And so I'll just offer a brief summary, and then you can maybe pick up on some core ideas and sort of state your case.
00:00:07.480And then we can talk about new things that have happened and so on.
00:00:12.700And you can correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm misrepresenting your perspective on this matter.
00:00:18.340First off, the notion that Epstein is this evil Freddy Krueger tier pedophile and that that is what this whole hubbub is about is clearly wrong.
00:00:37.460Pam Bondi said at one point that she couldn't release the Epstein files because it's child porn, in effect, involving Jeffrey Epstein abusing people.
00:00:50.780Now, there was no doubt some illegality took place over the decades, but to see it in that satanic QAnon child abuse way, I think, is to misunderstand it.
00:01:09.140So much of the party culture was about sex, obviously, but it was also about conviviality, building a team, getting elites on the same page.
00:01:23.860And an interesting thing that you pointed out, with Trump as a sort of exception to the rule, though not exactly an exception, Jeffrey Epstein was gathering together liberal Anglo-American, if we want to say, Zionist, but liberal Zionist.
00:01:46.820Zionist who actually were far more likely than Lukut to have sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians, far more simply realistic, far less likely to call upon biblical concepts like Amalek in order to justify Israel, though Zionist nevertheless.
00:02:06.980And so you have the Steven Pinker, the Hawking, even Donald Trump fits into that a little bit, at least pre presidency.
00:02:16.820You have this collection of liberal Zionist that are all getting on the same page by drinking and screwing hot models, etc.
00:02:30.360And if you believe that that kind of thing doesn't happen in all sorts of different industries, you're being naive.
00:02:38.280That kind of thing happens even with people who are thousandaires as opposed to millionaires or billionaires.
00:02:50.360And interestingly, the Epstein obsession seemed to derive from Likud.
00:02:58.580And if there is any political casualty of note with regard to Israel, it is actually Ehud Barak who was in with Epstein, etc.
00:03:09.980And so as opposed to just viewing it as these evil people and then these poor victims, some of them are, let's be fair here, some of them are genuine victims.
00:03:21.860Some of them, they were sinning and being sinned against in some ratio.
00:03:29.660As opposed to just seeing it through that, looking at it through this lens of a intramural battle about how we think about Israel is much more productive and much more illuminating.
00:03:42.440So anyway, that's my way of just summarizing your point.
00:03:47.700You can correct me if I misstated something.
00:03:49.840You can pick up on something and expand on it, as you will.
00:03:53.140Yeah, I might be more radical than you in just saying that.
00:03:59.200Okay, so in terms of the victims, the question I have is who is victimizing these victims?
00:04:06.780So it's like Epstein had his own multi-level marketing scheme where he basically threw not just Ghislaine, but other kind of secretaries and assistants.
00:04:18.800He said, hey, I, you know, I want a constant stream of young, beautiful woman just coming into my house and giving me massages and getting to know them.
00:04:27.940You know, he wasn't, you know, the funny thing about Epstein is if he just wanted to pay women for sex, he could have been like Dan Bilzerian and he could have just paid women for sex.
00:04:37.820This is sort of a nuanced view into his psychology is what he wanted was for women to come in to give him massages and for him to kind of gauge the frequency to see, okay, is there some tension here?
00:04:57.020He had this system in place where if you bring a new girl in, then I'll pay you a finder's fee.
00:05:04.280And so as a result, it's like you can very quickly create a multi-level marketing scheme out of that.
00:05:11.060And so the girls who came to his house, it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein cruising around in a white van and saying, hey, you want some candy?
00:05:18.820You know, he wasn't doing any of that himself.
00:05:20.860It was all of these women who eventually filtered down to the level of a local high school who he had never personally, he never recruited any girls at all.
00:05:43.700And they said 18 because the girls who were being paid by him, and I guess this is his fault, ultimately, that the girls who were being paid by him knew that if they said, no, I'm 17, I'm 16, I'm 15, whatever, they knew that Jeffrey Epstein would say, no, get out of my house and I'm not paying you.
00:06:01.180Don't, you know, don't send underage girls to me.
00:06:03.400But the high school recruiters that he had working for him were just trying to make money.
00:06:08.340So they specifically told the victims, they said, don't tell him you're, in the youngest case, was 14.
00:06:14.640Don't tell him you're 14, say you're 18, because I want to make money.
00:06:18.420So in a sense, like, obviously, he's at fault for even constructing this scheme.
00:06:53.820And again, I would really blame the girls who knowingly recruited young girls who really shouldn't have been in that situation.
00:07:02.620But at the end of the day, the victimization in question is you had apparently someone stripped down to their underwear and give them a massage.
00:07:13.840And I don't know what state of undress he was in.
00:07:16.220And you compare that to like the crimes of Roman Polanski, who's still in the good graces of many people in Hollywood.
00:07:22.540And he's he's at large in Poland or something.
00:07:26.000I mean, the idea that Jeffrey Epstein is worse than Roman Polanski is just ridiculous.
00:08:01.840They said, if you don't testify against Epstein, we'll put you in jail for prostitution, which is quite a different narrative from what we're doing now, where any time any woman has sex, she's always a victim.
00:08:13.800I mean, this was like a totally different paradigm 20 years ago.
00:09:25.620And I think Ghislaine was unique and some of the other girlfriends he had as well, in the sense that these were women who had the kind of emotional fortitude to tolerate this kind of behavior of just serial philandering, serial.
00:09:40.920You know, all these implicit promises that we're going to be something and we're romantic together and then he finds someone new.
00:09:48.420So in that sense, sure, he, she, he emotionally victimized women.
00:09:52.480But in terms of like, he was forcibly raping and, you know, stealing the innocence and intentionally maliciously doing that sort of thing.
00:09:59.300I don't think he actually physically was really victimizing people knowingly besides that aspect.
00:10:06.640Um, I think this has gotten a boost recently on Twitter.
00:10:10.820I mean, the Epstein thing has like so many cycles at this point.
00:10:13.700It's like, I can't even count all the cycles or it just continues to come up in the news, continues to come up.
00:10:19.240But the recent one that I saw was, you know, Nick Fuentes had this take where he said, look, in, in Catholic canon law, the age of marriage for women is like 14.
00:10:28.880You know, Mary was like 15 when she had Jesus.
00:11:34.040And then for like the Puritans, I mean, they were getting married at 20, 26 or something, and they would still have eight kids, you know, they would just get rapid succession, pump them out.
00:11:42.800But, you know, that's the side on, on kind of a fee, the feebophilia and whether that's natural or whether we should sort of normalize that.
00:11:50.720And, but the other side of it is the blackmail is it's, you know, as you said, whether it's like Jack, the construction worker gets together with a few of his buddies and they're having a bachelor party and they hire some strippers, you know, it, that it happens at the lowest level of society.
00:12:09.820It happens at the highest level of society.
00:12:11.520This is just what men do when they want to get together and have a good time.
00:12:17.140So it does that necessitate that there was blackmail going on.
00:12:23.080I think if you've seen enough, I mean, most people, I guess at this point, because Zoomers are such shut-ins, maybe Nick Fuentes can't imagine now that he's gone to this club in Miami.
00:12:33.380Now maybe he has some insight into, yeah, men actually do like to go to clubs and they do like to be around beautiful women.
00:12:40.960And, and that doesn't mean that any of those men are being blackmailed.
00:12:44.220It means that they're having a good time.
00:12:46.120And so I think there's like a deep anti-male, anti-sexual, sterile resentment that comes that Jeffrey Epstein has now, I mean, I think he has lower approval ratings than Adolf Hitler at this point.
00:13:01.620I think that, that if you say, it used to be that if you said, you know, Hitler did nothing wrong, that was the third way you could never say that.
00:13:08.680Now it's like, if you say Epstein did nothing wrong, it's like, you know, you are the worst person ever.
00:13:13.400Oh, but Hitler, you know, that's a historical detail.
00:13:17.180So in a sense, it's very, it's very interesting that like, yeah, this Jewish international globalist finance here has kind of become the ultimate enemy of, of America.
00:13:29.060And yet, and so what, and so, and, and, but we're still doing the bidding of Likud at the same time.
00:13:35.340And isn't there some, a kind of logic to that is that Zionism needs anti-Semitism.
00:13:42.600Zionism needs the globalist cosmopolitan Jew to be the ultimate evil so that it can breed antagonism.
00:13:51.180So that more Jews say, oh, well, you know, if we don't get out of here, if we don't go to Israel, we could, we could be another Holocaust.
00:14:00.340And it uses that the cosmopolitan Jewish stereotype as a foil to the new Jew, who's like bound to the land, blood and soil, who kicks the ass of every Muslim in sight.
00:14:13.500Like the, the, the, the Likud fantasy is let's not be Jeffrey Epstein.
00:14:18.320Let's be weirdly more Germanic Martian, basically.