RadixJournal - Shades of Grey

00:00:00.000 There are these strange contradictions that seem to be occurring, and it's like the right is ostensibly, I guess, more based and nationalistic, and they talk about manliness a lot and things like that.

00:00:19.780 But that seems to almost be a kind of cope or flourish that is hiding a greater dysfunction or something.

00:00:34.540 So, I mean, even if you look at the history of class and voting, we've had a flip, but it hasn't been a complete flip.

00:00:46.460 So even in 1992 with Bill Clinton, he would still get 75% of the working class white vote, but he'd also get 75% to 90% to 100% of the egghead vote, let's say, the academics, intellectuals, he'd get a lot of professionals and so on. 0.53

00:01:10.100 And now we've seen that flip. And so the Republican Party is, in many ways, a party of the multiracial working class.

00:01:22.060 But it's not a party. I mean, like, I don't think we can underestimate the amount of Hispanics and Asians and Indians and so on in, like, Fuentes groups or, you know, BAP or whatever.

00:01:38.880 Like, it's a weird, it's a weird phenomenon.

00:01:41.320 And on the alt-right, as I call it, I mean, it's, it's full, you know, riddled with it.

00:01:48.960 So, but what I guess what the right didn't do, so it, it brought on that 75% of the working class vote, but it didn't bring on any eggheads.

00:01:58.980 And in fact, it's, like, actively alienated them.

00:02:03.020 And so you kind of have this weird situation where I think that the Democrats, who could kind of balance high and low, where they could, you know, you would have the Marxist intellectual at Columbia who's voting for Democrats.

00:02:20.500 And then you'd have the guy from Arkansas with a small farm, you know, who's voting for Democrats, you know, that's a, it's a weird high-low coalition that I think is actually really effective.

00:02:34.460 It's not contradictory, it's effective.

00:02:36.700 But with the GOP, it's like the low coalition at this point. 1.00

00:02:42.760 And so it's just going to be resentment and aggressive stupidity and nonsense, basically. 1.00

00:02:52.620 No, I agree. 1.00

00:02:54.160 I was actually just tweeting about this the other day, that I think a lot of women reflexively don't like the GOP because they just see it as the party of, like, bitter losers. 0.98

00:03:04.380 Yeah. 0.82

00:03:05.160 And I don't, I don't think that appeals to women. 1.00

00:03:07.280 I don't think they like that.

00:03:08.300 I think they see a lot of men over there that they wouldn't want to be around.

00:03:12.760 And then that's kind of what happened with me.

00:03:14.640 I just saw a lot of men, like, I wouldn't want to be around those men.

00:03:17.840 Like, I don't really want to be, like, associated with this world and this party.

00:03:23.320 In many ways, it's just become, I don't know, like, it's not, it's not a very aspirational, like, group of people you'd want to be, like, a part of, I would say.

00:03:36.840 No, no, I totally agree.

00:03:38.780 And then the other aspect is it, the other aspect of it is that for better and for worse, the elite intellectuals are able to kind of romanticize the working class or African Americans or refugees or whatever.

00:03:57.800 They're able to kind of create a narrative and a story about, you know, their plight and their struggle and overcoming and all that kind of stuff.

00:04:07.780 Whereas, you know, maybe, maybe not to their fault, white working class is not getting, or in middle class is not getting romanticized like that.

00:04:19.460 But then they don't kind of have the capacity to romanticize.

00:04:23.820 There's no, like, high-low connection, if you understand.

00:04:27.700 It's just like, you know, we hate the liberals.

00:04:31.340 Like, we want to own the libs.

00:04:33.040 We want to attack the libs.

00:04:34.900 The libs are demonic. 0.72

00:04:36.440 And it's just, it's a weird, I don't know.

00:04:40.100 Maybe I'm not articulating this as well as I could.

00:04:42.420 But it's just a really weird group of people.

00:04:47.160 But it's also very, it's very homogeneous in many ways.

00:04:51.520 Like, it's, there isn't a lot of variety.

00:04:54.700 It's a kind of middle American.

00:04:57.120 Many of them are doing fairly well.

00:04:59.960 But at least the people who stand out and the kind of politics that they're trying to appeal to is the politics of maybe at best being uncouth or something.

00:05:10.880 You know, like, do you remember that video that, you know, I mean, and at worst being what losers or insurrectionists or whatever, but maybe at best, like, not being kind of uncouth. 0.80

00:05:21.620 I mean, I don't know if you remember that video that was passed around with this girl that it was like a southern redneck kind of wigger-like thing. 0.89

00:05:32.260 And she was rapping about, like, Arkansas culture or something like that.

00:05:38.640 And it was like, you know, we fire our guns and we drink our beer and I'm a heartbreaker, y'all.

00:05:44.360 You know what, who, but I'm not even doing it well because it was like a rap.

00:05:48.200 I've never seen anything like it.

00:05:50.000 But it was like, I guarantee you that everyone in that video over the age of 18 is a Trump voter.

00:05:57.340 You know, like, yeah, it's, it's that kind of vibe, uh, as it were.

00:06:05.080 Um, but so, yeah, I mean, I think we're in a really difficult place because the, the left has all, all, well, not always, but for a very long time has dominated the intellectual sphere.

00:06:18.020 They, they have had a lot of people in academia and we can, I think it's actually interesting to talk about how that is.

00:06:26.180 Um, I don't quite buy the whole long March thesis.

00:06:29.700 I think it's something else, but, but now it's, it's almost like more aggressive.

00:06:34.820 Like at least in the fifties with the GOP, there was almost like a pretense of, you know, oh, we're going to talk about this Catholic intellectual and we're going to talk about, you know, Ivanhoe novels.

00:06:48.740 And there, there was at least like a pretense or, or we're going to go and talk about Rothbard and, and, um, Friedman or whatever.

00:06:57.140 Like we're, we're, we're going to do some, you know, highly intellectualized economic system, but at this point I, I can't like, I can't see anything that is there right now.

00:07:10.980 It's just like brutal resentment and violence.

00:07:18.460 It's entirely reactionary.

00:07:20.360 It just feels like a, kind of like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.

00:07:24.440 Um, there's not really like a good story or a good narrative.

00:07:29.980 I feel like of, of the writer conservatism at the moment, there's nothing inspirational about it.

00:07:35.040 It's just the left's hurting my feelings essentially.

00:07:41.860 It's, it's not attractive.

00:07:44.200 It's not, and it's not, it's not effective.

00:07:47.440 It doesn't, what are you going to build with that?

00:07:49.900 Um, you're just going to alienate more and more people that actually.

00:07:54.440 Have power, have influence, have the ability to do something.

00:08:00.360 Um, it's just, it's so weird when you, I remember when I was looking some years ago, I was looking into, um, kind of the demographic data of, you know, who voted Republican in the past and who votes now.

00:08:14.680 And it's weird how much it's changed, um, because it used to be way more women would vote Republican.

00:08:21.060 Um, it also used to be the college educated was the Republican party.

00:08:25.880 Um, that's not really the case anymore.

00:08:27.960 It's just entirely flipped.

00:08:29.900 Um, I don't really know exactly why that's happened.

00:08:32.940 I mean, I, I do blame quite a bit of it actually on Reagan.

00:08:36.620 Um, but I think it's, it's bigger than that alone.

00:08:42.220 I think it's a long, it's a decades long trajectory actually with, with realignment basically.

00:08:48.820 And, and, and the Southern strategy and all that kind of stuff.

00:08:52.200 And you can, you can say like Trump created it or the tea party created it or Newt Gingrich created it or Reagan created, but it's, it, I mean, I think, yeah, it's, it's just a, it's a long-term trajectory.

00:09:04.600 Um, so let's talk a little bit about what we, I, you mentioned this earlier of hypergamy or pickiness, let's say.

00:09:18.420 And I think it's a little, it's a little more complicated maybe than it's, than it's usually understood.

00:09:26.200 I agree.

00:09:26.920 So, and maybe there's some kind of darker sides to it and things like that.

00:09:31.860 So, I mean, I, I can remember, um, uh, pheasant hunting, uh, a few years ago.

00:09:39.420 And I remember, you know, a lot of these rules you just accept and you don't really think about.

00:09:45.100 And then I was kind of thinking about it.

00:09:47.160 I was like, you know, this is deeply unfair, you know, like we're killing all the males and we're just allowing the females to go free. 1.00

00:09:57.280 And to add insult to injury, all of the males are, have all these beautiful feathers that they've developed. 0.98

00:10:04.860 And so they, they put on a show basically, and we're rewarding them by shooting them. 0.86

00:10:09.240 And then these lowly gray females just get off scot-free. 1.00

00:10:12.880 Now that, that's obviously a, a bit of a, um, cheeky way of looking at these kinds of things.

00:10:18.680 But basically what I'm getting at is that the, the female really is a highly valuable resource. 0.97

00:10:27.940 And so, although we are pheasant hunting, almost ostensibly like committing male genocide or something like that, we're, we're not harming the species that way.

00:10:38.120 Because the, you know, it's kind of like sperm is cheap, eggs are valuable, but to put it very simply.

00:10:46.600 And so, and I think this, this also gets a kind of an inner fantasy of both men and women that, that real, that I, I do think we are just kind of fundamentally wired differently.

00:10:59.640 And obviously doesn't mean that we can't talk with each other or cooperate or anything, but, you know, so the, the inner fantasy of a male would be Don Juan or James Bond or something like this of, and, you know, correct me if I'm wrong here, guys, because, but, you know, of spreading your seed far and wide and having lots of sex all over the place.

00:11:26.940 And I think the, the inner fantasy of women is something different and, you know, great, I'm, I'm probably making these things a little cartoonish here, but if you guys want to deepen them, you're, you're more than welcome to. 0.61

00:11:42.160 But it's that, that notion of being chosen by a strong man, being rescued maybe, or taming a strong man, or, you know, maybe, taming, you think?

00:11:57.620 Yeah.

00:11:58.220 Taming the bad boy?

00:11:59.120 I do think that.

00:12:01.520 I think, I think it's like a, and it's funny because conservatives like to bring up, like, Fifty Shades of Grey a lot as this, like, women want to be dominated kind of evidence.

00:12:13.820 I think it's the opposite.

00:12:15.440 I think Fifty Shades of Grey, if you actually look at the full story, like, start to end, it's the story of a woman dominating a man through her feminine powers.

00:12:24.200 I get that sexually, he's doing all this weird stuff with her, right?

00:12:30.240 But.

00:12:30.740 Right.

00:12:31.480 He's being tamed.

00:12:32.860 He's going from playboy to being obsessed with one woman for the rest of his life.

00:12:39.880 That's a, that's a display of female power over a man. 1.00

00:12:42.900 That's the, that's the story of her dominating him. 0.98

00:12:46.680 Right.

00:12:47.480 Well, he's a billionaire and she's a journalist.

00:12:49.880 I have unfortunately not read, read the, these great novels, you know, up there with Dostoevsky and, and Hemingway, of course.

00:12:59.620 But yeah, but I'm, it's a hole in my, in my education.

00:13:03.840 Yeah.

00:13:04.020 But, but yeah, I mean, I think it, there's a reason why those were extremely popular, you know, 10 years ago or whatever, you know, it's getting at something.

00:13:14.040 Even if it is bad literature, it's getting at some inner fantasy on some level, you know, like all popular culture.

00:13:21.500 I mean, you can make fun of comic book movies or, or action adventure, romance novels or whatever, but you, you have to kind of recognize their success.

00:13:31.060 Like, what is it exactly?

00:13:32.840 Yeah, it's bad, but what is it?

00:13:35.340 And it's that inner fantasy.

00:13:36.540 I, and I think you're, you're right about that.

00:13:39.980 And, and so I, I mean, I've, I've talked about this in, I think I even talked about it in the space that we did like a year or so ago.

00:13:48.800 And I've talked about it with, with other people as well, but there, we're in this curious, you know, point in world history where, you know, we, we like to think of monogamy as the way of nature, you know, they get, you know, it's, there's 50, 50 chance of a man and a woman more or less.

00:14:13.200 And there you go.

00:14:15.220 God wants us to pair.

00:14:17.520 Well, okay.

00:14:18.460 There's some truth to that, but it's not the entire truth.

00:14:22.600 And, you know, we got at that differential between value, you know, earlier with, with pheasant hunting, but, but also like most men are not going to reproduce.

00:14:35.700 Most men are throughout in, in the natural world today and throughout human history will fail at this task. 0.50

00:14:45.100 And there's a kind of bottleneck effect where most of them are not reproducing due to high child mortality, due to poverty, due to dying in war, due to dying of plague, et cetera.

00:14:58.940 They're not getting there and there's a bottleneck effect of women being the choosers and, you know, it's, it's hard to actually, you know, successfully reproduce. 1.00

00:15:13.940 And I think a lot of the right has this, you know, half remembered dream of the 1950s when we did, you know, to a large extent, have a kind of universal monogamy.

00:15:28.160 We had also put Europe into rubble and were the biggest economy.

00:15:32.760 We're the only economy left.

00:15:35.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:35.880 I mean, right.

00:15:36.840 Germany was literally in rubble.

00:15:39.380 England was chaotic.

00:15:40.960 The Soviet Union was there.

00:15:42.000 I mean, it was just a different world.

00:15:43.940 But we created this, like, rising living standard concept.

00:15:47.980 And there, and there was, you know, not, not always seen in practice, but there, there was a kind of everyone gets a little piece of the pie.

00:15:55.380 Yeah.

00:15:55.900 And, and I also agree that, like, real polygamy, you know, practice to the extreme is, like, not at all a stable social formation.

00:16:08.620 So a big, you know, an Asiatic big man who has, like, a harem of 2,000 women, and you have all these single men who are horny, like, yeah, they're going to kill them. 1.00

00:16:21.440 You know, it's like, you know, it's a matter of time. 0.91

00:16:25.160 So it's a balance.

00:16:26.820 You know, there, there's a kind of, you, you, you reach a, you reach a balance in culture and monogamy has played a part in that.

00:16:36.240 But then also there's, there's a degree of that, there's a strong degree of that kind of bottleneck effect.

00:16:42.840 And, you know, fast forward to this crazy place where we are now.

00:16:47.480 So we have a hyper-sexualized culture.

00:16:52.020 I mean, I, I'm offended by it in many ways.

00:16:54.720 I, I think it, you know, um, I am worried about my children in a few years, you know, getting on TikTok and seeing this stuff or hardcore pornography is ubiquitous on the web.

00:17:06.480 I don't need to go into it.

00:17:08.020 But we're also in this kind of weird asexual culture where young people are having less sex, like, by multiples in comparison with Gen X or Boomers or Silent Gen even.

00:17:23.060 I mean, it's, it's really strange.

00:17:25.980 And we're delaying marriage.

00:17:27.900 And, you know, there's some good things about that.

00:17:30.880 Um, you know, if I were to tell my daughter, I would say, wait, you know, you don't have to get married at 18 or, you know, just.

00:17:38.020 You know, I think that's, you have time.

00:17:41.240 Um, I think that's a pretty sound decision, but there's some bad things about it as well.

00:17:45.760 Um, and, uh, so we're in this kind of weird bottleneck where there is a sort of selection taking place.

00:17:54.900 And I think that sexual, like understandable in many ways, sexual frustration of the right is one of its driving forces.

00:18:05.920 And the incels are kind of like a, they're, they're like the alt-right of yesteryear. 0.97

00:18:11.540 They're like the crazy, like mad aunts that you keep in the attic, but she is part of your family. 0.62

00:18:19.300 You know, like, you know, I, I think there's some Stephen King that maybe is like that symmetry crazy at anyway. 0.96

00:18:27.080 You know what I mean? 0.93

00:18:28.560 They're part of the family, but they're just totally insane.

00:18:32.180 And you try to pretend that they don't exist.

00:18:34.020 I think the incels kind of act like that vis-a-vis the right in general.

00:18:40.040 I, I think there's a lot of like understandable sexual frustration.

00:18:43.720 And, but there's also this selection process that's been taking place since the stone age that they don't want to face.

00:18:55.740 So what do you, what do you think about these ideas that I put out there?

00:18:59.200 No.

00:18:59.440 Yeah.

00:18:59.720 I, I agree with what you're saying.

00:19:01.760 Um, I think it is, so like with hunter gatherers, you actually do see like a pretty natural mix of both like monogamy, serial monogamy, um, kind of polyamory.

00:19:17.280 Um, this is, this, it seems that people just kind of go into these different little pockets in a state of nature.

00:19:25.260 I think we're just kind of returning to that.

00:19:27.460 I think you're going to see some people who keep pursuing serial monogamy.

00:19:30.840 Some people who want to get married for life and you're going to see, you know, and this is what we're seeing in tech and that stuff.

00:19:37.080 You're seeing all these people who are very interested in polyamory now.

00:19:40.460 I think that's just kind of how people default to.

00:19:44.040 There's just people who are naturally more monogamous.

00:19:46.900 There's people who naturally aren't all that monogamous.

00:19:49.920 Um, and I don't think we need, I don't think we, we need to so strictly enforce monogamy anymore.

00:20:00.140 Um, I really don't think that that's necessary.

00:20:04.220 Um, I think that's just actually how people kind of naturally behave.

00:20:10.960 Um, I don't think there's one actual sexuality that every person behaves by or is supposed to behave by.

00:20:20.060 Um, but I do understand, I actually do feel for incels and this is, I know I get a lot of hate online for being like this very cruel person who like just doesn't care about men or their plight.

00:20:34.340 Um, I've, I've actually helped two of my mutuals get girlfriends successfully that they're still dating.

00:20:42.500 Um, so I, I really do feel for people.

00:20:44.920 I'm someone who personally is very monogamous.

00:20:47.180 I do have the idea of being married, uh, for life to someone.

00:20:51.000 I think that's very romantic and sweet.

00:20:54.040 And I think that probably is the ideal for most people.

00:20:57.260 Um, and I would like to see people pair up, but we're, we're in such a rough spot.

00:21:04.380 There's just no good narratives anymore for what you're supposed to be doing.

00:21:09.440 And young people are so lost and it is weird that our culture is so sexual.

00:21:14.000 Like there's so much sexual imagery everywhere.

00:21:17.960 Right. 0.99

00:21:18.600 But yeah, Gen Z is literally, they're not fucking, like, they're just not having sex. 0.97

00:21:24.300 They're not pairing up. 0.97

00:21:25.340 A lot of women have just decided I just don't want to date anymore. 1.00

00:21:29.280 And a lot of men have just given up on trying.

00:21:32.600 Um, I don't know how to bridge that gulf.

00:21:36.340 You know, we're, we're having this huge collapse of things basically because of, I think most

00:21:42.480 things are really driven by technology and material conditions, to be honest.

00:21:46.760 Um, and that's all breaking down and we don't really have a good replacement for it.

00:21:52.600 Um, I, I do try my best to help people to be honest, like in my personal life, like I said,

00:21:59.820 I've actually helped, I've helped guys get girlfriends because I do want to see, I actually do want

00:22:04.920 to see people like happy and in real loving relationships.

00:22:09.980 And to me, a lot of the narratives that the right gives actually scare people out of dating,

00:22:15.960 particularly if they scare women out of dating.

00:22:18.320 I know I personally do not want to date someone who thinks like a woman's just a vessel for 0.99

00:22:24.960 his genes and he otherwise has, he has no connection to her, doesn't love her, thinks that she's

00:22:30.860 ugly the moment she hits 30.

00:22:32.820 If that's all true, why wouldn't I just want cats and wine at that point?

00:22:37.840 I don't think men are understanding this.

00:22:40.740 They just, they also, I, I totally agree.

00:22:43.640 I mean, it, it, yeah.

00:22:46.220 I mean, again, I, I have some sympathy for incels as well, but then they're like takes on 0.85

00:22:52.040 women are just insane. 1.00

00:22:54.500 You know, I remember there was one, I, I, I haven't even watched game of Thrones, even 0.98

00:22:59.480 though I think I might actually enjoy it, but one of these like Targaryenies or something, 0.98

00:23:04.860 she like took a selfie and they're like, oh my God, this bitch has hit the wall or whatever. 1.00

00:23:11.260 Oh, you're talking about, um, uh, Daenerys. 0.99

00:23:14.660 Um, yeah, Daenerys.

00:23:16.320 Yeah.

00:23:16.780 You know, I'm not into game of Thrones.

00:23:19.080 I, I actually probably would be the type of person who would like that show.

00:23:22.920 Um, but, uh, yeah, I just, I, I haven't watched it for some reason.

00:23:27.760 Um, but, uh, yeah.

00:23:30.420 And it's like, okay, I'm 44.

00:23:32.840 So I have a different perspective than like, if I were 18, granted, but like, if you think 0.99

00:23:39.380 she's unattractive, you're insane. 1.00

00:23:41.740 Right. 0.99

00:23:42.280 You know, like she was, she's cute. 0.98

00:23:44.500 She's so cute.

00:23:46.220 I think most guys would be happy to be married to her and like, wake up and see her face. 1.00

00:23:51.440 Like, it's just insane.

00:23:53.120 And women, they could see this. 0.99

00:23:55.300 They keep seeing people talk about normal looking women saying they're, they're hideous. 0.80

00:23:59.780 They hit the wall.

00:24:00.720 The wall comes through everyone.

00:24:02.240 We don't want you.

00:24:03.220 And it's just like, okay, then I don't want to marry a man.

00:24:06.900 Cause this is what he's going to think of me in 10 years.

00:24:09.800 Well, but they, but I think to give them almost credit, I don't think they would.

00:24:14.140 I think they would be really happy with their homely wife, to be honest.

00:24:20.980 I do agree with that.

00:24:22.380 Yeah. 0.98

00:24:22.620 But they, they just, their brain is pornified as, as I think Rosemary said in the chat and, 0.66

00:24:28.180 and they're, it's this weird kind of thing.

00:24:31.560 I mean, the other fascination that I have, that they have, excuse me, is with like women 0.98

00:24:37.780 who have multiple partners or something.

00:24:39.660 So they've, they've reached this kind of like extreme puritanism and like obsession

00:24:45.840 with virginity among themselves and among, uh, and among women where it's like, oh, you 0.69

00:24:53.240 know, she's, she's got this huge body count and, and we're, and look, obviously to be

00:24:58.760 fair, if I, if I met someone and she told me she's had sex with 500 people, I'd be like, 0.74

00:25:04.280 okay, you know, really that's, uh, that's fascinating.

00:25:11.340 Um, but, uh, uh, you know, but granted, but at the same time, I mean, it's not even the

00:25:17.160 day we, it's not even like, you know, these days girls are likely to have a sexual partner

00:25:25.080 in college or maybe when, maybe in high school, even, but it's like, it's always been like,

00:25:30.440 it's always, it's not new.

00:25:33.260 It's not, I mean, great.

00:25:34.640 We don't have the shame culture.

00:25:36.720 I mean, we don't, um, I was actually, it was funny.

00:25:39.700 I was listening to this, um, lecture by Mary Eberstadt who believe it or not, I actually

00:25:46.200 knew when I was in Washington back in 2000, 2007, I actually stayed at her house.

00:25:52.040 It's crazy, but she's this, she's very smart.

00:25:56.120 I do have respect for her, but she's a, um, uh, Catholic conservative kind of person, but

00:26:02.860 she, she's very good at what she does. 1.00

00:26:05.400 She gives that perspective due justice.

00:26:07.640 And she was talking about this, like she remembered the town where she grew up, where a girl got

00:26:15.800 pregnant junior year or something.

00:26:17.580 And, you know, she wasn't getting taken care of and she like left the school and went somewhere

00:26:25.040 to have the baby and came back.

00:26:26.920 And there was all this mystery around her and, and, and so on.

00:26:31.920 And then she returned there in the early two thousands.

00:26:36.860 And there was some just shocking statistic of like a third of the girls in high school

00:26:43.420 were pregnant or something.

00:26:45.180 And no one thought anything of it.

00:26:47.920 And so they're really, yeah.

00:26:50.360 I mean, and that even kind of shocked me, but I, maybe it's an exaggeration, but it was

00:26:54.840 something like that, but everyone kind of accepted it.

00:26:57.820 So there is like, there was a kind of shame culture, which probably did serve certain purposes.

00:27:05.280 It would make a lot of those men who knocked up a girl, it would make him marry her. 1.00

00:27:12.160 I mean, for better and for worse, I guess.

00:27:14.260 Right.

00:27:15.240 And it would kind of protect people.

00:27:17.420 There, there, there are a few more consequences to sex.

00:27:21.120 And, and I don't think anyone thinks that, you know, all these pregnant teenagers is, is 0.99

00:27:26.360 a good thing.

00:27:26.900 But, um, uh, so there, there were benefits to it and we've lost that shame, but the notion

00:27:34.920 that we're like, again, statistically speaking, the notion that we're more perverse than we

00:27:42.300 were 20 years ago or 200 years ago is just simply wrong.

00:27:46.140 I mean, this stuff has always been happening and I, I don't know.

00:27:50.720 It's like these incels, they've, they've reached these like new levels of like monastic thinking

00:27:56.520 or something where they're talking about body counts and like protecting the virginity.

00:28:02.000 I remember Mark, my friend, there's a meme of this like kind of cute cosplaying girl with

00:28:09.500 like glasses and boobs and things like that. 1.00

00:28:12.080 And she was like, Hey guy, let's go have sex. 1.00

00:28:14.940 And then the incel was like in a sheet of armor. 0.99

00:28:17.780 And he was like, God is my honor that will protect my virginity.

00:28:21.320 And it's like, dude, it's not like the man's virginity has never been, been sacred.

00:28:29.880 Like, I hate to break it to you.

00:28:31.640 No one cares ever, you know, and you're just, you're doing it wrong.

00:28:37.700 Like you're, you're, you're just, you're just leading.

00:28:40.900 I don't know, maybe some crazy self-justification or whatever, but anyway, um, there it is.

00:28:48.060 You can, you can jump in here.

00:28:50.920 Yeah.

00:28:51.520 It's, it's funny.

00:28:52.560 I, I've talked about this before.

00:28:54.480 I think these guys are just so under socialized.

00:28:57.600 They just, it's like how autistic people just like repeat things they see on TV a lot. 1.00

00:29:03.240 Um, and they just don't understand that that's not quite how it is in the real world or how like, quote, normal people act.

00:29:12.160 I think they just see these memes instead of TV, like they see it on like YouTube or Twitter and it just becomes like this brain warms thing that they obsess over and are just like constantly repeating.

00:29:22.980 And they just have no sense of normalcy because I've actually had, I've actually had to tell these men, like you go out into the normal world with a normal guy.

00:29:31.900 Like this man is not expecting a virgin.

00:29:34.940 No, he doesn't want a woman who slept with like a ton of people, but he's not expecting a body count of zero. 0.71

00:29:42.120 And he's not offended that it's not zero.

00:29:44.800 Like most people have a, you know, single digit or so body count.

00:29:50.520 And I hate that word, but whatever it's, it's pretty normal.

00:29:54.660 Like they're not freaking out about it.

00:29:57.300 It's just kind of the standard.

00:29:58.700 And that's actually how it's really always been.

00:30:02.220 Um, people have always been having sex and they've always been having sex out of marriage. 0.73

00:30:06.960 Like there's that statistic about, uh, I think in like the middle ages, they were saying like a third of women, um, at the altar were, were pregnant or something like that.

00:30:18.380 Like it, this has always been going on.

00:30:20.980 Oh, that's interesting.

00:30:22.660 Yeah.

00:30:22.840 I think Mary Eberstadt might've given, she might've shown some statistics like that.

00:30:28.120 I think one of her points was that a lot of these things will kind of wax and wane.

00:30:33.180 Yes.

00:30:33.800 And, and, and so we, we have this notion of like the middle ages as every, every woman was a virgin and every man was honorable, but these, they actually, I mean, and it's hard to find statistics in the middle ages, of course.

00:30:46.900 But, but like to the degree that you can find them, a lot of these things will kind of wax and wane.

00:30:52.300 And maybe we're going through one of those cycles right now, ironically of less sex.

00:30:57.580 Yeah.

00:30:58.580 Yeah.

00:30:58.660 That's the thing too.

00:30:59.860 We're actually at a time where people are having less of it.

00:31:03.760 And your boomer parents had more partners than you did likely.

00:31:07.700 So it's weird that they are so longing for like, I don't know, the fifties and sixties and this mid century American dream.

00:31:18.660 When people then were actually having more sex than these zoomer kids are now who are like, yeah, hold up in their houses and not interacting with people outside of the internet. 1.00

00:31:30.160 We have, we're, we're at a problem. 0.74

00:31:32.120 We're having actually too little sex.

00:31:33.520 So this, this fixation on virginity and body count, it's just, but also you want the birth rates up.

00:31:42.200 It's just, it doesn't, it's not computing.

00:31:47.420 This isn't going to go where you, where you, like where you want it to.

00:31:51.180 Um, you're kind of like burning your own goal here. 0.98

00:31:56.100 A lot of marriages in the past were just literally started by people having sex and knocking someone up and people kind of being sluts. 1.00

00:32:03.660 Uh, that's how it's been for most human history.

00:32:06.800 And yeah, like you said, these things wax and wane and it's natural.

00:32:10.520 And I think a lot of conservatism, um, is this inability to, I don't know, just accept that, that we don't really have control over all of these things.

00:32:22.100 These things are kind of naturally cycle and it's like this eternal cycle that just occurs with people with all sorts of things.

00:32:29.820 Um, it's, that's just how it's always has been and how it probably always will be as long as we exist.

00:32:36.580 Um, or unless we become like the Borg, um, and I don't really want that.

00:32:41.720 So they need to learn to just accept that this is how history, how human history operates.

00:32:51.140 And I, I think there's, there's also a distinction to be made between eugenics.

00:32:58.580 Eugenics. 0.69

00:32:59.140 And I, and I don't, I don't mean that in terms of like a eugenic program administered by the state or sterilization, all that kind of stuff.

00:33:08.560 I mean, just a, you know, making again, breeding better is literally what the word means.

00:33:14.280 It's there, there's a notion that we did get better as human beings, you know, like our.

00:33:21.500 Uh, hominid ancestors were, they might've been kind of more bad-ass than we are, but they're not as intelligent. 1.00

00:33:29.600 They're not as sophisticated. 0.71

00:33:30.620 They're not going to appreciate Beethoven's knife and we are better.

00:33:36.360 And we did that to some, to a large degree through breeding.

00:33:40.660 And it's not, it's not just like we had a, you know, culture obviously matters tremendously, but it was, we bred better people.

00:33:47.680 And, and then this also kind of notion of the birth rate and things like that, where, and you see like Elon doing this.

00:33:56.240 I mean, Elon seems to be Elon Musk that has, it seems to be just a crazed narcissist who just wants to reproduce himself, you know, as many times as possible.

00:34:06.740 Um, and, uh, and there, you know, there are many people like him, but, um, but they're all complaining about the birth rate.

00:34:14.580 And like, we just all need to go out there and create more, you know, bipedal humanoids.

00:34:24.560 And it's just like, we don't actually.

00:34:29.520 And that, I think that could have some really bad effects like that.

00:34:35.000 Yes.

00:34:35.720 Read like the human race depends on it.

00:34:38.400 That that's going to, we're at least what they're suggesting is, because I think they are suggesting monogamy.

00:34:45.180 That's kind of universal monogamy. 0.99

00:34:47.140 And they're just suggesting that, you know, everyone on earth have eight children or something. 1.00

00:34:51.960 Well, I hate to break it to you, but like the vast majority of people on this planet are dumb. 0.99

00:34:59.120 Um, and they don't appreciate the ninth symphony and they're violent and they're chaotic. 0.98

00:35:07.420 And it's just like the idea that we need another few billion or something is, is just a, it's a strange value.

00:35:15.640 And I don't know where it's coming from.

00:35:17.200 Like it's the, it's the opposite of what Elon Musk says.

00:35:20.420 Like he, he's like, we need more people so that we can be an interstellar species.

00:35:25.580 And it's, it's actually the exact opposite.

00:35:28.120 Like we need fewer people so that we can become an interstellar species.

RadixJournal - March 24, 2023

Shades of Grey

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