Sleazy Feline Accusations
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In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with a friend of mine to talk about the obsession with israel and its influence over our politics, and how it affects the way we think about the world.
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let's uh continue it's a simple question that is ape are apex goals shaped by the goals of the
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israeli government and i'm just going to ask you a question straightforwardly and if you say no
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i think we both know that's not true hey are they shaped by is that are they coordinating with the
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israeli government are they talking with them yes israel directing them what are you want to talk
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about farah the law on lobbying on behalf of someone yeah it is i hire you and you lobby on
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behalf of me i direct you does israel direct apac no they're not lobbying on behalf of them
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do they care about them yes but do you think that it's just interesting because what you're now
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describing in a very defensive way i will say is foreign influence over our politics no and you
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began and it's so transparently obvious to everybody i don't know why you would be embarrassed of it
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you've said that you are sincerely for israel i believe you i don't think you have some weird
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agenda you seem to by the way by the way tucker it's a very weird thing
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the obsession with israel when we're talking about foreign countries you're not talking about chinese
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you're not talking about japanese you're not talking about the brits you're not talking about
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the french the question what about the jews what about the jews oh i'm anti-semite now senator you're
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asking the questions you're asking why are the jews controlling our foreign policy that's what you just
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asked hardly saying that and i have that is exactly what you just said well actually i can speak for
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myself and tell you what i tucker's not saying that and that's actually the problem yes because it is
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about the jews yes and and it's it's a jewish state and there are american jews who support a jewish
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state and there are millions of evangelical christians who worship a jewish god and want
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the jews to be in control of the holy land so the apocalypse can come about this is what it is about
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it's not really about money money is makes it makes things flow it it makes things work but it's it's
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actually fundamentally about the jews and so when you just avoid that you're like jews what i didn't
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say jews i'm not talking about jews it's it's this like feigned ignorance and i it just annoys me on
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some level because you have to say that if you're going to talk about this case this matter seriously
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yes because the only reason there's a disagreement here or an unwillingness to connect between ted
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cruz and tucker is that there is a a cloud of nebulous uncertainty around allegiances is a jew from
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texas more of an israeli is he more of an american this is important so what tucker is trying to bring
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it he's trying to sanitize the issue to the point where it's becoming a bureaucratic ticket issue like
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is a pack exactly following the world of the word of the law or is it a little bit beside and should
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we find them ten thousand dollars besides this this is a very bureaucratic question the actual question
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is a question of civilization allegiance and what is america 100 percent um let me just do this let me
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finish this exchange and then i'll address these two questions we have good on behalf not simply
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of myself but on my many jewish friends who would have the same oh god which is to what extent yeah
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all your jewish friends are like i i have these questions what about
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god this is really the equivalent of like my black friend dislikes affirmative action or so it's just
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like i'm not racist yeah i have a jewish friend questioning my jewish friend he's very articulate
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he loves basketball i mean i don't mean it in that way uh okay um it's just yeah and i it's
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interesting you're trying to derail my questions by calling me an anti-semit which you are i did not
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of course you are and and rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face
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you are in a sleazy feline way implying it or just asking questions about right that's good questions
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about the jews i have there's nothing to do with jews or judaism it has to with a foreign
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government isn't israel controlling our foreign policy that's not about the you said i'm asking
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by the way you're the one that just called me i think a sleazy feline so let's see i'll hand it
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to tucker that's a good line sleazy feline that's a good line what he said but the weird thing about it
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is that in a way i guess i have this contrarian instinct to always give the devil his due in a weird
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way ted cruz is being more honest because tucker it the the fact that you utter this isn't about
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the jews while you're discussing apac and israel it just leads me to believe that you're just not
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serious yes there you go all right let's watch just a little bit more and then i'll get to questions
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clear easy to imply that and i'm an anti-semite which you just did no i just when i'm asking you're
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asking you answer it give me another reason if you're not an anti-semite give me another reason
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why the obsession is israel i am in no sense obsessed with israel we are on the brink of war
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with iran and so these are valid questions but you're not asking if i can finish you asked me
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why i'm obsessed with israel yep three minutes after telling me that when you first ran for congress
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you elucidated one of your main goals which is to defend israel yes and i'm the one who's obsessed with
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israel i don't see a lawmaker's job as defending the interests of a foreign government period any
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government including the ones that my ancestors come from so that's my position that does not
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make me an anti-semite and shame on you for suggesting otherwise and i mean that and that's
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low and you know it's low so why don't you just answer my finger has been whacked way you certainly
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have the iq to do it so shame on you is cute by the way tucker it is it's not cute i'm offended
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you're i'm obsessed with the jews you just told me you just called me a sleazy feline it is sleazy to
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imply that i'm an anti-semite for asking questions about how my government you want to count how many
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questions you asked about what about the jews what about israel what about you never asked about the
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jews i i have this has nothing to do with the jews whatever that means this has to do with a foreign
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government and once again shame on you for conflating the two they have nothing to do with each
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other i'm talking about the influence israel again that's just ridiculous ted cruz gets it
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right jews which i am not nor would i ever be undertaking now i'm not attacking anybody by the
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way that's that's who who iran wants to kill is all the jews and all the americans and i'm totally
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opposed to that okay but now because except you don't want to do anything about decisions need to be
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made we can talk about those decisions and i plan to good but i just want to get a sense of whether you
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think having described yourself as an america first person whose only criterion for judgment
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on foreign policy is america's national interest to what extent you're influenced by a foreign
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government which gives you a lot of money through its lobby and you're claiming this has nothing to
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do with the foreign government they're not coordinating yes you're spying on us but doesn't
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bother you and i'm sort of wondering like what is this this is the one of the weirdest conversations
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i've ever had i'll tell you what and i'll answer any question you like but let's try to
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are you going to call me an anti-semit again or no let's try to ratchet down the temperature
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a little you're the one who went to motive i'm asking honest questions yeah i'm just asking
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questions yes that's it that is what i'm doing yeah let's try to ratchet down the temperature a
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little bit picture the house of your dreams maybe it's got an outdoor pool a huge no
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he does a lot of ads the thing is anyways farah is the wrong thing it's the wrong angle to all this
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and what we would need is to sit down with tucker and say okay suppose suppose that there were a bunch
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of of supporters of guana of free of guana who never talked to the government of guana there are a bunch
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of black people in america they really really love the country and suppose that they had their fundraising
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campaigns it would be a breach of the farah's goal of of the farah spirit but it wouldn't be a technical
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breach that you can prove in court and the ultimate reasoning that we have to reach from this is farah
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is not aggressive enough because farah doesn't go at enemies on the inside and we need legislative tools
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to consider the fact that there are enemies on the inside of america yes definitely and and the fact
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in a way that you need this legalistic mechanism kind of expresses the problem you know the fact that you
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need just money just cash in a bag handed to someone to say something sort of gets at the problem because
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it's it's it should be understood that not only is that illegal but it's just not done
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it's borderline treasonous like you you're we're not going to even listen to you
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if we even suspect that you are operating in that way um a a
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yeah it's interesting that this is a conversation between two gentiles um there uh sam cedar who's
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jewish um he has said many times that zionism is not judaism um which is a sort of interesting deflection
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to say it's a settler colonial state and then you have bill and then you have bill maher on the other
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hand who's an atheist who's been a zionist his entire life who's also jewish he's he's half jewish
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i believe yeah go on yeah yeah irish and jewish yeah yeah and he's an atheist and has been a zionist
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and atheist his entire life and has said numerous times that well the religion might be bad but did you
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know that the archaeology in the bible actually checks out which is not even true and i think to
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myself why would you even care you don't like religion but apparently you like it in this case
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so uh these like two like sussman jews are like and they don't like each other um they they don't seem
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to get it it's like there is no situation in which you would have a jewish state first of all jews
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have never had a jewish state it doesn't even like this is a new thing there's no archaeology to there's
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no there's no archaeology this is that there is no archaeology of any kind that would prove that
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david had a united monarchy it is right it is the bible that is the source for all of this stuff
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there would be no israel without the bible there would be no israel without judaism and also to
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go against sam cedar i mean look i just to give sam cedar some some credit sam cedar is a
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legitimate genuine liberal jew and i don't i don't think he's like twirling his mustache
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behind the scenes being like oh i tricked them again i'm actually operating on behalf of israel i
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don't i don't think that at all but now at the same time like we're reading exodus we read genesis in
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uh it last winter we're reading exodus now the entire story is about going to canaan and seizing
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the land that was promised leading up to david and the jewish state that is what the plot is about so
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this idea that judaism is not or zionism is not judaism it's a bit like saying that
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you know christianity isn't about the gospels it's like uh okay you know maybe but it's just
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it's just fundamentally dishonest or in sam's case i think he might not want to face that reality
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because he has a residual a totally understandable connection to judaism is how we grew up but
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you know it's just yes zionism is judaism yes that is more that is more accurate to say that like it
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has nothing to do with it and it's a european colonial state or or something you know and i and i remember
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um i don't know if you remember this but um during the first trump campaign there were a lot of
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evangelicals you know once they got on the trump train it took them a while um they were calling
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trump the modern day cyrus yeah um which is interesting now that's from chronicles where cyrus
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is a king for people don't know cyrus was a king uh he was a gentile king who ended the babylonian
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captivity and allowed jews to come home and he was seen as a he's not jewish but he's a sort of vessel
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for god's will and it's interesting because um american presidents if you if you read the sort of
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history of the zionist lobby american presidents have actually been called a sort of um heirs to cyrus
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there's actually a book it's called um american presidents religion in israel the heirs of cyrus by
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paul charles markley interesting and he actually he actually talks about this like there is within
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the uh sort of dynamic between american presidents zionist the zionist lobby and israel a sort of king
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cyrus complex and a sort of you know we're allowing the jews to come home through a sort of goyim empire
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namely the american empire you're allowing jews to escape um a sort of what happened with the
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holocaust and the second world war which is their sort of excuse for this um it's just an interesting
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that the dynamic constantly plays out and to say it's a settler colonial project well yeah sure it
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is to some degree wouldn't exist but it wouldn't exist without the bible and without that inherent
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dynamic i couldn't say it better yes so it's also interesting of trump saying he's king of israel which
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he also said which it shouldn't be equated with being king of the jews which of course is the the
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moniker that was placed on on jesus as he was crucified um and why he was crucified by claiming that he was
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king king king of the jews um being king of israel is is almost something different and it does imply
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a kind of non-jewish gentile who is building the temple um or it might apply herod i mean in some ways
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but um it's uh yeah cyrus is absolutely the best metaphor and remember cyrus is also described as
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anointed that is cyrus is a messiah the anointed one but he is it's it's obviously a different type of
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messiah than david or or jesus right and i i think another thing is that i mean if you look at luke's
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gospel um with the parable the persistent widow and the unjust judge um that jesus relates to the crowd
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he's basically explaining the dynamic between the zionist lobby and the sort of american empire
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and america the american congress and sort of american political power in the sense that the
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zionist lobby and israel uh domestic policy towards the palestinians has been incredibly persistent and
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there has been no sort of um uh negotiation or diplomacy it's just this is what we want we're
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going to do it and we're going to defy international law we're going to commit war crimes we're going to
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do genocide we're going to buy politicians we're going to do it shamelessly and stop us you know it's
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sort of a big giant dare just stop us and it works i mean in the story of course in luke you know the
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widow obviously does get what she wants and zionists have also gotten what they want um unfortunately the
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problem is that um you know she's still a widow and the judge is still a judge you know there's still
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this power dynamic of you know you still have to go to the goyim for for the martial aspect of this
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yes otherwise you're you're powerless that's the interesting part of it it's like you could just
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say no to them but there's no will to do that and they believe it so strongly i think that's the
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other problem you know that you know i don't think you can call american presidents who have supported
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zionism and they all have for a very long time i don't think you could call them you know like you
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could say mustache twirlers no they actually believe it yeah i think they really do because
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it's a christian moral ethos you know this is one of the fundamental insights of mark brahman and rem
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theory it's you know christians like to have this convenient and sort of self-serving notion christian
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nationalists or right-wingers that the jews just hate christians they hate uh americans they hate
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whites and i can see that on a from a on a certain angle but the fundamental reality is that they
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desperately need christians they desperately need whites they desperately need americans uh israel cannot
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exist without the british empire and uh uh harry truman and the united nations and american power
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and all that kind of stuff and that is the dynamic it's more insidious it's more difficult it's more
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complicated and it's more ambivalent you could even say then they just hate us i i don't it's one
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sort of insight that i think we all reach is that they don't hate us like it's that it would be sort
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of easier like if they were like the cartoon version of khomeini and they they just desperately
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want to slaughter as many white bible thumping you know iowans as they can they just hate americans
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or it's not jews don't have that perspective towards this and and and if you're you're engaging in a
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sort of convenient self-serving in this blind uh um uh conception of jews if you think that they need
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you they love you and therefore we inherit our responsibility to learn to say no yeah and and uh
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i think the jews do hate us i think they just hate everyone including themselves but they hate us equally to everyone