RadixJournal - April 19, 2023


Spy vs. Spy

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authenticity propaganda
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Richard Spencer
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Marjorie Taylor Greene Donbass Devushka Tucker Carlson Gonzalo Lira Partisan Girl Jeff Giese Einstein Jack Dorsey Shady Thug Cult Gen X Discord Milo Yiannopoulos Glenn Greenwald Julian Assange Edward Snowden Mike Cernovich Rebecca Mercer Thor Halverson Robert Morris Ali Alexander George Nader and 11 more
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In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, I discuss the International Guard, a group of young men who have been making waves in the anti-American, pro-Third World world. They seem to have a lot in common with a certain character on the internet known as "Donbass Girl" and " Syria Girl." In fact, they are very similar in many ways to each other. In this episode, I talk about the parallels between these two, and why I think there's more to them than meets the eye.

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00:00:00.000 I've actually done a lot of research on the issue of T-Shara and the International
00:00:14.960 Guard and these leaks, and I generally stand behind my speculation that there's more going
00:00:27.800 on with this matter than meets the eye.
00:00:32.440 I don't know if you've read about this character named Donbass Devushka, which means Donbass
00:00:41.620 girl, basically, and reminds me a little bit of Partisan Girl, and I think she goes by
00:00:51.460 Syria girl as well, but it's a woman, I guess she's probably in her 30s now. 0.81
00:00:57.800 I think I knew her actual name at some point, but it's immaterial.
00:01:02.440 She's the child of immigrants from Syria to Australia.
00:01:07.360 I think she lived some other places, but she is a fiercely anti-war voice and a fiercely
00:01:13.060 pro-Assad voice, so she has the zeal of the immigrant, or even more so, the zeal of the 0.61
00:01:20.780 first-generation assimilated immigrant.
00:01:24.800 This is something that I know very well.
00:01:26.500 Now, I think Partisan Girl is smart, and I would defend her in a lot of ways.
00:01:33.200 She also goes into Alex Jones' territory quite a bit, but the least you can say is that she
00:01:40.460 is a fiercely, as she notes herself, a fiercely partisan voice in the alternative media that
00:01:48.780 is effectively anti-American empire, pro-Assad, pro-Third World, one-struggle type things.
00:01:58.740 There's nothing that Washington can do which is good, and there's pretty much nothing that
00:02:04.900 the non-American-aligned world can do that is bad.
00:02:08.640 She would probably apologize for a ham sandwich. 0.82
00:02:13.960 She'd also apologize for a chemical attack.
00:02:18.060 So, yeah.
00:02:19.940 There just seem to be some parallels with this Donbass Devushka, who was the first person
00:02:27.960 to start spreading these documents, or one of the first people to start spreading these
00:02:33.580 documents that emerged on Discord channels and then went to 4chan and so on.
00:02:41.340 There's actually an interesting write-up by Bellingcat, which seems to be a bit of a CIA front, but
00:02:50.840 that being said, I think their information is accurate.
00:02:57.280 But again, just to reiterate what I was talking about last time is that you have this young
00:03:05.600 man, and it's a type of young man that people in this group know very well.
00:03:12.420 He was in a Discord server.
00:03:15.140 I remember back in the alt-right days, Discord was the thing, and everyone was bragging about
00:03:20.060 how they'll never censor anyone, never de-platform anyone.
00:03:24.380 They're secret alt-writers, and I've heard all that stuff.
00:03:29.060 They obviously did do a lot of de-platforming eventually.
00:03:31.840 But Discord was this gamer chat, and it was this crazy chat.
00:03:36.360 I remember sometimes going on to the alt-right Discord, and the amount of just posting was
00:03:44.960 just so incredible that no single person could keep up with it.
00:03:48.540 And it was a kind of vicious cycle of, in order to get noticed, you had to post something
00:03:54.840 fast and frequent and more outrageous and scatological or just insane just to get noticed.
00:04:04.820 Now, not all Discord servers are like that, I'm sure, but that is the vibe of the young
00:04:13.060 millennial or Gen X Discord server.
00:04:15.060 And you have this young man who is, according to his friends, non-political or something like
00:04:23.560 that. 0.98
00:04:24.080 But it's also very clear that he was part of a kind of alt-right shit-posting Discord server. 0.97
00:04:33.020 I mean, I think that is the most accurate way to describe it. 0.97
00:04:35.480 It had just funny names.
00:04:41.680 I keep forgetting it.
00:04:43.160 I think I said Shady Thug Cult or something. 1.00
00:04:45.900 It's something of that nature, forgetting at the moment.
00:04:50.220 Just a kind of teenage type title.
00:04:54.360 And he was, in all likelihood, or at least kind of ostensibly, he wasn't really a leaker in
00:05:04.180 the sense that Julian Assange is a leaker, Edward Snowden is a leaker, or Chelsea slash Bradley
00:05:11.640 Manning was a leaker, et cetera.
00:05:13.860 He seemed to be way, way over his head.
00:05:18.060 And he was posting things to get attention, to prove himself to be the real OG, which was
00:05:26.580 his nickname on the server, to his friends. 0.98
00:05:29.060 So he was shit-posting and so on. 0.98
00:05:31.980 There's also some report that he went to a gun range and yelled out anti-Semitic slurs 0.99
00:05:38.480 while he fired into a gun range.
00:05:40.920 I mean, I don't even know what to make of this.
00:05:43.260 It's, you know, if it happened, it happened, if it probably speaks to his age and just immaturity
00:05:53.760 more than it speaks to any ideology.
00:05:57.340 But what I would get back to is just the fact that this mass hole is this townie type from
00:06:08.500 Massachusetts.
00:06:09.120 Mark can't be with us today, but he would be chuckling along with these characterizations.
00:06:17.240 He's way, he's in way, way over his head.
00:06:21.800 He's way out of his league and he's posting for clout.
00:06:25.940 So he's not a leaker in the sense of someone who's ideologically driven.
00:06:30.460 Now he's been defended as such by the typical people you would expect from this at this point,
00:06:37.140 Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who labeled him a right-wing Christian
00:06:43.960 and thus, in a weird way, he can do no wrong.
00:06:47.800 But what strikes me as interesting is that he's exactly the type of person that this type
00:06:57.160 of outreach from Russia goes to.
00:07:01.060 He's kind of like the perfect subject, the unwitting propagandist, the perfect patsy. 0.74
00:07:09.200 Now, I know Boris, who knows a lot more about this than I do and has much more experience
00:07:15.760 in Russia and a thousand times more experience in Russia than I do, was pushing back on this.
00:07:22.240 And I, and I think that's, that's good to push back on it, but because we don't want to fall
00:07:28.900 into, you know, everything's a Kremlin plot or it's part of, you know, section S deep cover
00:07:34.960 agents or something like that.
00:07:38.460 That being said, that kind of stuff is real.
00:07:42.160 And, you know, I mean, the, you guys have probably heard of at least the show, the Americans that
00:07:51.320 was very popular on, I think it was FX or something.
00:07:57.040 You can watch it on Hulu.
00:07:58.280 I've seen about a half dozen episodes on the first season and, you know, it's a good spy
00:08:03.060 show.
00:08:03.660 It's real, it's interesting.
00:08:04.960 And there's, there's just enough, you know, spy craft and murder and assassination and
00:08:10.560 sex and stuff like that to keep you interested, but it's a good show.
00:08:15.260 That was based on a matter called Operation Ghost Stories from 2010.
00:08:22.220 It was actually written by a former CIA agent, which, you know, again, you can make of this
00:08:28.300 what you will.
00:08:28.880 Now, it was based on Operation Ghost Stories, which was about a section S operatives who
00:08:36.980 entered the United States through Canada.
00:08:39.080 So these were young people in the Kremlin that the Kremlin connected with, the KGB, excuse
00:08:47.240 me, connected with, and, and the FSB afterward, because this program never ended with the Cold
00:08:52.920 War, but they would connect with young people.
00:08:55.100 They would make sure that they were the right type of person, someone that is smart, maybe
00:09:00.900 just smart enough, not too smart, dutiful, but certainly not a dullard, because this
00:09:10.720 is someone who's going to need to engage in deception for decades, and someone that they
00:09:16.820 could create a new backstory for after many months or years of training, particularly in
00:09:23.480 the English language, they could create a backstory for mostly in Canada, and then place in the
00:09:32.020 United States doing some kind of job that would get them close to power and influence in some
00:09:38.680 way.
00:09:39.040 So in the, in the show, The Americans, they were travel agents, which is kind of interesting.
00:09:43.200 Uh, you have other examples of jobs like this, where you are maybe once or twice removed from
00:09:50.700 something important.
00:09:52.340 Um, this was a very real thing, and this is something that was never canceled, uh, at the
00:09:59.740 end of the Soviet Union and continued.
00:10:02.380 It was actually busted in 2010, uh, by FBI counterintelligence.
00:10:07.580 Now, when they created the show at the time of 2013, they didn't believe that Americans
00:10:14.980 would take seriously the notion that Russia was a spying on them and not just spying on
00:10:19.920 them, not just, you know, putting a little bug in the Pentagon or something like that, which
00:10:26.000 or, or hacking or something, which we might expect from all governments.
00:10:30.600 Uh, they were spying on, on them in this just diabolical, almost unimaginable way.
00:10:38.220 Uh, according to a book, which I've been taking a look at, I haven't finished it, but it's
00:10:43.260 called Russians Among Us.
00:10:44.580 This, this, this hasn't been done the other way.
00:10:48.640 America does, is not investing in deep cover agents that will spend decades in other parts
00:10:56.340 of the world.
00:10:56.880 They're more invested in hacking.
00:10:58.260 I mean, again, make of that what you will.
00:10:59.740 So, uh, it did offer the pretty plausible explanation that no one wants to go live in
00:11:04.840 Russia if you're, if you're a college graduate from the United States, you know, fair enough.
00:11:11.660 Um, but again, I, I don't have any evidence that this is taking place, but there is a whole
00:11:15.980 lot of evidence that it's taking place the other way.
00:11:18.740 Um, these people will integrate into society.
00:11:22.720 They might not accomplish anything for a decade, for, for years, you know, on the show, the Americans
00:11:28.380 every, every week there's a new, you know, assassination or plot or bugging or honeypot scenario where
00:11:35.980 this, uh, husband and wife are, you know, having sex with half of Washington DC and all that kind 0.91
00:11:43.020 of stuff.
00:11:43.980 That of course didn't happen.
00:11:45.460 And probably months or years would go by where next to nothing would happen, but the deep
00:11:50.000 cover agent continued their task.
00:11:54.060 Um, I could very easily imagine that there are concentric circles to something like this
00:12:01.160 so that there might very well be someone who, you know, entered through Canada, been in the
00:12:08.200 United States for decades is working in, uh, some think tank who is a travel agent for Washington,
00:12:18.060 DC, um, senators or limo driver, all this kind of stuff.
00:12:23.080 You can, I can easily imagine that.
00:12:25.520 I could also easily imagine a kind of concentric circle situation where this woman, um, Donbass 1.00
00:12:35.120 girl, she was presenting herself as a young woman living in Donbass, rooting on the Russian
00:12:44.660 invaders, spreading Russian talking points, et cetera, but also linking up with American
00:12:53.180 right-wing types.
00:12:55.860 So I actually listened to a, uh, a bit of about 10 minutes or so of a podcast that she
00:13:01.900 was on with some unknown American right-wing, you know, analyst of some kind.
00:13:07.720 And, uh, you know, to be honest, I, I found it pretty boring, uh, because it's talking points
00:13:15.180 that I've heard before, not something particularly interesting to me, but I'm not the target and I'm
00:13:21.140 not an average person.
00:13:22.860 So for a certain type of right-winger, I'm sure what she was saying was enthralling and
00:13:31.520 the notion that she has these kind of striking blue eyes and dark hair, porcelain skin.
00:13:38.400 She's, she's, she's this hot chick in the Donbass future trad wife, all that kind of stuff. 1.00
00:13:48.960 Um, it is interesting.
00:13:52.360 And, you know, she was one of the first people to spread these documents officially.
00:13:59.080 And I believe she spread them on Twitter.
00:14:01.260 So we can make a lot of this.
00:14:05.640 Now there's a plausible explanation.
00:14:08.620 And that is that we have a country of 330 million people.
00:14:13.980 Of course, there's going to be dozens at the very least hundreds who really identify with
00:14:21.540 Russia for whatever reason, maybe, maybe just hate the United States for justified and unjustified
00:14:27.800 reasons and, and kind of create these persona and spread Russian talking points to the very
00:14:34.460 most, et cetera.
00:14:36.460 I mean, look, Gonzalo Lira.
00:14:38.080 I remember Gonzalo Lira.
00:14:39.600 I did a number of podcasts with Gonzalo Lira back in 2010.
00:14:43.440 At the time, he was an interesting South American guy who was a Ron Paul fanatic.
00:14:48.280 And, and his ideology was pretty much off the shelf libertarianism, uh, you know, gold standard.
00:14:55.180 We're going to see hyperinflation.
00:14:57.240 The fed is evil, et cetera.
00:14:59.060 All the stuff we've heard before and stuff, you know, stuff that's has some kernels of truth
00:15:03.960 to it is, is, you know, rational at the very least.
00:15:08.140 Uh, he transforms himself into a manosphere character.
00:15:12.900 He then transforms himself into a man living in Ukraine, rooting on the invasion and spreading, 1.00
00:15:19.860 you know, lies, uh, at some level, um, at the very least heavy, heavy spin of the invasion,
00:15:30.020 all while conveniently living in Ukraine.
00:15:33.680 Um, who are these people?
00:15:36.420 Now you can say that they're just your average alternative media guy.
00:15:41.580 Uh, you know, what else is going on?
00:15:46.040 They seem to get on the same talking points very fast.
00:15:49.500 That could be explained through groupthink, but it also could be explained through conspiracy.
00:15:54.240 Uh, they are very quick to spread things of importance, like these top secret documents
00:16:01.100 that apparently came from a Massachusetts airport base.
00:16:06.960 Now, I, I, again, I would stick by my speculation.
00:16:11.880 It is speculation, and it's a possibility, and it's something to consider, but I don't, I'm not,
00:16:17.220 I don't have any proof for it, and thus I'm not, you know, asserting it with, um, uh, authority.
00:16:24.180 But this type of kid seems to be exactly the type of person that Russia is genuinely, generally targeting. 0.92
00:16:33.100 It's the young, heavy online, not too bright, but very right-wing shitlord. 0.65
00:16:43.280 Was this kid the person, did he just get these high-level top-secret documents? 0.87
00:16:49.620 Did, were they just an email attachment, and he started posting them?
00:16:52.940 Maybe.
00:16:55.740 Was he a kind of unwitting propagandist to someone else who acquired these through other means?
00:17:05.360 Is this Donbass girl, this hot, blue-eyed, exotic-looking woman, ostensibly living in a war zone,
00:17:15.200 is she just some warper from New Jersey who, you know, heard about this stuff?
00:17:22.640 She seemed to, I mean, there, there are millions of Discord servers, or hundreds of thousands. 0.93
00:17:27.740 It's kind of remarkable that she got on this rather obscure one that was, uh, frequented by
00:17:34.520 teenage and early 20s boys, but, well, who knows?
00:17:38.560 Uh, and she was spreading them.
00:17:41.560 All of this stuff strikes me as a kind of influence campaign.
00:17:49.640 Um, the other aspect of this, which I mentioned on Thursday, is that the degree to which the
00:17:55.660 documents were altered, there were some, uh, Bellingcat talked about this pretty, pretty
00:18:03.280 compellingly, and, and that is that some of the numbers were fudged, and you, the numbers,
00:18:08.420 the spacing between the numbers didn't fit with the font used in the document, and the
00:18:14.720 numbers were fudged in the direction of Russia.
00:18:17.660 In other words, they were fudged in a way complementary to the Russian army, that they're
00:18:23.400 taking less casualties than have been estimated elsewhere, and were estimated in this, a document
00:18:30.000 in the authentic version of the document.
00:18:32.280 Yeah.
00:18:33.280 So, what is going on here?
00:18:36.320 Is this a way of influence and a way of propaganda which is extremely sophisticated?
00:18:45.760 It's not Radio America where you openly advocate for the American way of life in a foreign broadcast,
00:18:54.140 which is obviously propaganda, and, you know, fair enough.
00:18:59.180 You, you, you are who you are.
00:19:00.980 You're saying what you're about directly.
00:19:04.380 Who can criticize it exactly?
00:19:07.420 But is this a way of engaging a propaganda that kind of emphasizes pre-existing fractions
00:19:17.940 or fractures in the American public, and can be weirdly authentic in the way that RT can't?
00:19:26.580 RT is titled Russia Today.
00:19:29.140 You might as well title it, you know, Stalinism propaganda network. 0.96
00:19:35.880 You, you, you all shall submit eventually, we will crush you. 0.99
00:19:40.200 Like, you might as well have that be the title of the network. 0.99
00:19:42.560 It's so overt.
00:19:44.720 But is there a way of gaining that, you know, cachet, that je ne sais quoi of authenticity
00:19:52.000 by promoting this through the alternative media?
00:19:57.800 I think that this reading of events holds water.
00:20:05.400 And, you know, again, I am open about it.
00:20:08.640 It's speculation.
00:20:09.440 It's speculation, but it is informed speculation, and it's rational speculation.
00:20:15.300 And you see how the, the authenticity of it that it captured is, makes it all the more powerful.
00:20:22.940 If Putin himself released these documents, even someone like Tucker Carlson would probably be inclined to say,
00:20:31.460 well, that's just, you know, outrageous, you know, they're stealing things from our military and publishing them.
00:20:39.380 You know, this is, he might criticize the military for being, having leaks and being incompetent,
00:20:44.200 but even he would be offended by it.
00:20:46.420 When it's done in this weird teenage manner, through the alternative media,
00:20:54.020 and even the, the alternative, alternative media, the, the just, just kids on the Discord server,
00:21:00.060 the alt to the alt.
00:21:01.460 It has authenticity.
00:21:03.560 And so Tucker Carlson can defend it.
00:21:05.840 I saw like some other, these like, you know, Crystal Ball and Sarger and Jetty or whatever.
00:21:10.540 They're, they're all defending it.
00:21:12.300 They're basically saying that he is a leaker.
00:21:14.460 He's trying to, to tell us what's happening.
00:21:17.400 Look, the NATO troops are on the ground.
00:21:19.360 Look at these.
00:21:19.960 They, we're, the, the war is unrunnable.
00:21:22.880 We're, we're, we're getting ourselves into World War III.
00:21:25.160 It has this authenticity quality to it, which is, it's, it's the anti-media.
00:21:30.060 And it's the most powerful thing in the world, authenticity.
00:21:34.060 It's something money can't buy.
00:21:37.200 And Marjorie Taylor Greene directly takes the side of someone who's being arrested by the FBI.
00:21:44.460 How can you get a person to do that?
00:21:49.060 It's, it's a remarkable thing.
00:21:50.800 I don't, I don't think Marjorie Taylor Greene is some kind of Russian asset or she, whatever. 0.99
00:21:55.560 I, I think she's a crazy, drunk, dumb, Georgia CrossFit mom who, if the rumors are true, hops into bed with everything in sight. 1.00
00:22:08.800 But, of course, the only rumor and speculation on that one. 0.99
00:22:11.680 But, how can you get an elected official to take the side of someone subverting the government?
00:22:22.960 You can do that directly.
00:22:24.660 You can honeypot them.
00:22:25.880 You can directly blackmail them.
00:22:28.040 If they, if they're in debt or whatever, they've committed some kind of crime, you, you can force them to do something.
00:22:35.100 The carrot and the stick.
00:22:36.100 But, this is more, it's, it's kind of easier and it's, and it's dirtier and it's, and it's less expensive.
00:22:44.160 But, it's almost more powerful because it's done authentically.
00:22:48.020 Someone in Congress can directly take the side of a subversive to the government.
00:22:55.140 Even, even potentially at least, an agent of a foreign hostile power.
00:22:59.540 That's remarkable.
00:23:01.160 That's next level propaganda.
00:23:04.120 That's something that's, that's arguably more remarkable than hacking a foreign system. 0.54
00:23:15.820 So, there was this event that was being hosted.
00:23:19.460 I think Teal showed up.
00:23:21.260 I know Jeff, Jeff Giese ran it or some version of it, or maybe it was ran around him.
00:23:26.020 But, it was in Cleveland.
00:23:27.420 Honestly, I'm not a big party person in general.
00:23:30.200 You know, so I'm much more like kind of introverted in that way.
00:23:33.100 So, like, I didn't make the deplorable.
00:23:35.060 I'm not terribly interested in, like, large groups of people in general.
00:23:39.980 It's, like, not my thing.
00:23:41.100 I prefer the more intimate dinner party.
00:23:44.220 You know, my, my brother jokes with me that, like, you know, Jesus had 12 disciples.
00:23:50.320 And, if you told me, he had 10.
00:23:51.800 You know, one of them betrayed him.
00:23:52.960 And, the other one, you know, denied him.
00:23:54.600 So, like, keep the circle tight, you know.
00:23:58.240 So, that's always been how I've conducted myself, personally.
00:24:01.580 But, it is interesting.
00:24:02.900 Like, I've been thinking about it in the last few, few years.
00:24:06.480 What was the point of all that?
00:24:07.960 Was it just to, like, see who would gawk or who would look or who would whatever?
00:24:12.300 Um, I don't know.
00:24:14.460 I mean, I've been thinking about it a lot in the last few years.
00:24:16.980 And, um, you know, was it just innocuous homosexualness? 0.73
00:24:21.800 I don't know.
00:24:23.640 You know?
00:24:24.600 But, I will tell you, I will tell you that.
00:24:26.500 I don't know either.
00:24:26.660 But, but, but, but Ali is so connected.
00:24:30.440 He's, like.
00:24:31.120 Well, so, Ali is Emirati.
00:24:32.480 He's funded by the Mercers. 0.99
00:24:33.480 He's funded by, yeah.
00:24:34.920 Yeah.
00:24:35.200 If you understand that Ali is an Emirati figure, right? 0.83
00:24:39.960 The Emiratis use George Nader, who is a child molester, convicted child molester. 0.54
00:24:44.980 And, there's a sort of use of this sort of criminal world by the, by some elements within the Arab world as basically emissaries, people that will do anything, you know, for them. 0.70
00:24:56.660 Yeah.
00:24:57.360 And, Ali, personally, you know, I haven't written what I want to say.
00:25:02.600 I mean, I've written what I want to say about Ali, but I'm kind of too cowardly to publish it, to be honest.
00:25:07.740 Um, and what has been interesting to me was, so I was being attacked by the Israelis rather aggressively online and elsewhere. 0.70
00:25:16.960 And, Ali showed up out of nowhere, offered to be my PR person for free.
00:25:22.400 And, given that he was, you know, likely homosexual, we never really brought it up because, you know, I am, I have the opposite problem of homosexuality where I have too many women in my life, which is frankly. 0.51
00:25:34.940 So, um, and, uh, and so, you know, he showed up, was extremely helpful.
00:25:41.840 He was a sort of, you know, gay, black, Arab person here to help me.
00:25:46.540 And, he helped me, you know, rather like effortlessly.
00:25:49.640 He, like, rebutted some of the media inquiries that were all, like, you know, the typical, you know, Israeli, you know, NBC News, whatever nonsense they were attacking me.
00:25:59.660 And, I later learned that the reason the Israelis were attacking me was, they were concerned about efforts I was making in the genetic space and involvement that I was getting the U.S., you know, Congress involved with.
00:26:11.620 And, I sued, by the way, all the way up to the Supreme Court over the defamation of the Huffington Post.
00:26:16.780 I even met with the Huffington Post people about the defamation.
00:26:19.820 They were so shocked by what I was telling them, shock, shock, shock, that the Indian head of Verizon Media sold Huffington Post for a dollar to BuzzFeed.
00:26:29.680 So, just, and BuzzFeed, of course, is where Mike Cernovich used to leak all of his material, right?
00:26:34.940 Okay. So, there's this sort of, shall we call it, like, there's these sort of people who are perverts or disgusting or eccentrics or weirdos or whatever that have all these connections to foreign intelligence and to oligarchs who are backed by foreign intelligence.
00:26:54.160 So, there's a lot of rumors about Robert Mercer having connections with the Russians, certainly his connections with the sort of Hong Kong Chinese.
00:27:03.560 And so, and, of course, you know, Rebecca Mercer, his daughter, was a major backer of Armie Hammer's, you know, career early on.
00:27:12.820 So, there's these sort of, like, oligarch types.
00:27:17.020 And what they do is they have consiglieres, or they have fixers, or they have people that are their emissaries as well.
00:27:22.880 And Ali had basically positioned himself in that territory.
00:27:27.180 So, remarkably well-connected, remarkably helpful, remarkably relational.
00:27:33.120 You know, I remember him, he was the first person to call me on my birthday one year, which I'd never told him my birthday, right?
00:27:40.140 Very kind of strange kind of things like that.
00:27:43.360 And, you know, to be honest with you, I don't know what I think about the allegations that are promulgated against him.
00:27:50.340 So, for one, like, I'm not excusing this, okay?
00:27:54.780 Like, again, I'm not excusing this.
00:27:56.400 I'm not excusing this.
00:27:57.340 I'm not defending it.
00:27:58.520 Having been targeted by the homosexual parts of the Republican Party, the groomer right, if you will. 0.93
00:28:03.700 I've written about this myself, my own experience with Thor Halverson, who runs a, quote-unquote, human rights outfit.
00:28:10.020 So, I'm not defending this, but I am saying that there is a certain person who is a young gay man or gay curious man who both wants to be selected and is sort of, like, also a participant in this kind of system, if you will.
00:28:32.320 And this gives their sort of sexual identity issues a form of meaning as well.
00:28:39.860 And I've seen this time and time again.
00:28:42.500 I mean, I'm not, again, not defending it.
00:28:44.480 It just is a thing.
00:28:45.480 And you also run into this when you get some notoriety and you're a heterosexual man where, like, there will be the daughter of a congressman who will, like, be absurdly friendly with you when she's 19 and you're 31 or whatever, 32, right?
00:29:02.440 And there's a lot of that that goes on, right, particularly when you're perceived as having status or influence or power.
00:29:11.820 And I could imagine a 15-year-old, you know, sublimated gay boy, right, who sees Ali Alexander and sees him with the Robert Mercers or the Jack Dorseys of the world and intuits, quite rightly, that he's a powerful person, right, and wants in on that, right? 0.70
00:29:29.900 But he may not even know it on a conscious level, right?
00:29:33.280 He may just be sort of attracted to it in the way that when you're young, you just kind of know that you're attracted to this or attracted to that.
00:29:39.900 And you don't even really know where these desires come from in the first place.
00:29:44.460 Now, I think what's indefensible on Ali's part is sort of taking advantage of those people, right, and sort of, like, harming them in some way.
00:29:54.260 But I think that, too, is a big part of politics, which is in and of itself somewhat exploitative.
00:29:59.900 You know, and maybe that's kind of true of the tech industry.
00:30:02.700 I mean, Heath Roboy has had a number of daliances with people who worked for him, right?
00:30:08.300 I mean, we can point to many examples of people who carried on affairs with people who worked for them over the years.
00:30:14.940 And, again, I'm not condoning that, but I'm not really condemning it either.
00:30:19.640 I mean, my mother worked for my father before they were married, okay?
00:30:22.940 Like, I've always taken the Me Too issue somewhat personally in that regard.
00:30:28.040 So, you know, human beings will meet each other.
00:30:31.140 They'll be sort of things that are not exactly on the up and up.
00:30:34.120 And this is just, I think, part of human nature is to sort of see these kind of things.
00:30:38.920 Now, what I find interesting here is, one, I know that Milo collects blackmail on people, okay?
00:30:45.800 He's very open about that.
00:30:47.400 He's talked about that.
00:30:48.760 He's threatened people.
00:30:49.940 He's threatened to destroy them, harm them in different ways.
00:30:52.920 Okay, fine.
00:30:54.320 He's also an alien under an O-1 visa, which is the Einstein visa, quote-unquote, which is for an alien of exceptional ability.
00:31:02.880 What exceptional ability does he have?
00:31:04.980 Very unclear.
00:31:06.640 Well, he does have an exceptional ability.
00:31:08.720 I mean, he has exceptional abilities, but they're not exactly what we're doing.
00:31:12.600 Yes, they're exceptionally toxic, perhaps.
00:31:15.420 But I don't think that's exactly what we're doing.
00:31:17.560 The Einstein of his visa.
00:31:18.520 Yes.
00:31:19.120 So then there's the question of, like, this information was saved up for quite a number of years to be deployed seven years later, right?
00:31:28.580 And there's no criminal filings.
00:31:31.620 There's no – there are text messages, and that's gross.
00:31:34.680 Like, okay.
00:31:36.160 But people text a lot of things in all kinds of states.
00:31:39.320 People's text messages get stolen.
00:31:41.420 They get rearranged.
00:31:42.740 They get turned into black propaganda. 0.74
00:31:45.040 They get – I mean, you know, show me the man's cell phone, and I'll show you the crime, right?
00:31:49.820 I mean, there's lots of examples of this that one could do.
00:31:52.560 Well, it should be noted that he has not denied these allegations.
00:31:55.920 He has not denied it, and he has apologized for it, which I think –
00:31:59.620 That's a response to have, because if you have an allegation like this, your first instinct and a correct instinct is to deny it.
00:32:05.840 Just outright deny it.
00:32:07.600 Well, he didn't deny it.
00:32:09.280 He apologized for text messages in general, and in particular he said that there are many instances of things being manufactured or made up.
00:32:17.700 I mean he did make that clear.
00:32:19.220 Now, again, I'm not defending him.
00:32:21.360 He's not a friend of mine.
00:32:22.600 I've maybe met him twice in real life.
00:32:24.300 And just to be clear about this, I did warn the FBI about him many years ago.
00:32:30.880 So just – I'll get into that sort of side plot in a second.
00:32:34.520 I told Ali, many years ago, he felt he was being targeted by foreign intelligence in D.C.
00:32:42.700 And he freaked out.
00:32:44.080 I've never seen somebody more scared in my life.
00:32:46.820 Like he was – we FaceTimed.
00:32:49.840 He was like sweating.
00:32:51.280 He was very disturbed, like he'd been chased or something.
00:32:54.820 And I told him to go to the FBI.
00:32:57.760 He said that he would.
00:32:59.000 I later found out that he did not go to the FBI in any meaningful way.
00:33:04.300 Then during the whole January 6th matter, the FBI asked me about Ali.
00:33:10.020 I explained some of the stuff I've told you guys here.
00:33:12.960 I've explained other things that I sort of saw and things around him.
00:33:16.360 The FBI set a meeting to go meet me down in Waco, Texas at the time I was living in the Woodlands, Texas.
00:33:24.780 I drove there, was ready for the meet.
00:33:28.220 And then the FBI agent, who was not the main FBI agent I was supposed to – I knew, canceled the meeting at like the 11th hour.
00:33:36.980 What I've been told is that Ali has been extremely helpful in identifying a lot of these foreign intelligence networks to the FBI over the last – basically since January 6th.
00:33:50.100 That he's basically gone informant.
00:33:52.180 So therefore, the attacks on Ali, you know, by a Marjorie, by a Milo Yiannopoulos, in my estimation, they are using a true thing, a disgusting true thing for that matter, maybe even a criminal true thing, as a means of shutting him up and taking him out of the conversation because they fear other things that he might have written or said or done.
00:34:17.880 That he's completely worse.
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