RadixJournal - The 18th Bro-maire

00:00:00.000 It's January 6th, 2021, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.

00:00:06.900 The name has slightly changed, the commentaries still cringe.

00:00:11.260 Main topic, the 18th Bromare.

00:00:14.980 If Donald Trump's failures in office were once tragic, it's all now become a farce.

00:00:21.120 Both genres were on display today in the nation's capital,

00:00:24.020 as Trump's most hardcore fans were whipped up into a frenzy and stormed the Capitol building.

00:00:31.080 Maybe they were doing it for fun.

00:00:33.100 Maybe they actually wanted to stop the election certification.

00:00:36.620 Or maybe they were just drunk.

00:00:38.860 It doesn't matter.

00:00:40.260 They were engaged in an armed insurrection.

00:00:43.360 And it would seem better to have actually attempted a coup d'etat 1.00

00:00:46.700 than to have embarrassed everyone with their half-assed bullshit. 0.99

00:00:50.280 Mark Brahman joins me to discuss the coming fallout. 1.00

00:00:56.040 What a day, huh?

00:01:00.120 I can't believe it.

00:01:02.180 Did you expect this to happen today, Mark, when you woke up?

00:01:06.840 Did you expect it to be an armed insurrection?

00:01:11.120 I knew there would be a protest, of course.

00:01:15.240 Yeah.

00:01:15.480 In that it would get relatively wild, and it would probably produce some good clips.

00:01:22.360 I actually didn't think that there would necessarily be violence, though, certainly.

00:01:27.240 And I thought that, you know, but I thought there would be good clips of, like, Fuentes

00:01:31.520 and, you know, chanting Christ is king and that sort of thing, right?

00:01:37.300 I mean, so I thought that there was going to be some good footage.

00:01:39.740 But, yeah, of course, I didn't really expect it to go this crazy.

00:01:45.440 Though, I guess in the back of my mind, I thought it was – I think we all, in the back

00:01:49.880 of our mind, thought something like this might happen.

00:01:53.640 I don't know.

00:01:53.920 Well, it is kind of inevitable.

00:01:55.540 I mean, it's easy to say something is inevitable after it happened.

00:01:58.660 But when you look at it, it was leading towards this.

00:02:04.800 And, you know, you can't – I mean, I tweeted this at Don Jr. this afternoon.

00:02:12.200 It's like you can't use this type of rhetoric of these are communists.

00:02:19.000 We won by a landslide.

00:02:20.980 It wasn't even close, like 2016.

00:02:23.020 We won by millions of votes.

00:02:26.200 We won California, in fact, and they just took it from us.

00:02:30.620 You cannot say that and not expect that your followers are going to take your word seriously

00:02:39.480 and act on it.

00:02:40.380 I mean, I don't know what to say.

00:02:44.360 Like, at the end of the day, this is just a logical culmination of this massive grift that's

00:02:53.780 been going on that kind of got real.

00:02:56.640 And it spilled over from the internet into real life, like we've seen a few times.

00:03:03.280 I mean, we saw back in 2016 – I mean, this is something that's largely forgotten.

00:03:06.920 We saw a guy who was into Pizzagate, which is a kind of proto-QAnon-type conspiracy that 0.54

00:03:14.500 I remember well from those crazy days of 2016, when we were kind of overlooking a lot of

00:03:21.240 this lunacy because we felt like we were winning, but who took a rifle into Comet Pizza and demanded

00:03:28.780 to investigate the basement of the restaurant.

00:03:31.100 I mean, there is no basement, but demanded to investigate the basement of the restaurant

00:03:35.060 to uncover child sex trafficking rings.

00:03:40.480 And if you use this type of rhetoric, there are going to be some consequences.

00:03:48.120 And so, yeah, it does seem kind of inevitable.

00:03:51.320 And, you know, these people who were doing this, I mean, you know, the meme that I've seen

00:04:00.320 from a lot of conservatives is that, you know, Antifa infiltrated the peaceful protest or whatever.

00:04:07.140 And I mean, maybe there are a few examples of that, but I just don't buy that at all.

00:04:12.960 I mean, you see this type of person who engages in this kind of stuff, and they are, you know, 0.99

00:04:23.520 like deluded fuckwits. 0.99

00:04:26.360 I mean, let's be honest. 1.00

00:04:28.180 Let's be brutally honest here.

00:04:30.260 But they are the type of person that has been cultivated by the Trump movement and that is

00:04:37.900 actually listening to them and acting on their words in a fashion that can be expected and that

00:04:46.940 now seems inevitable.

00:04:50.280 Yeah, you know, it's, I mean, it's a populist movement, of course, as we know.

00:04:54.680 And, but I don't think, I think that populist movements require intelligent leadership and

00:05:01.240 this one lacks intelligent leadership.

00:05:03.520 So it's both, it has neither a brain, it has only a body effectively.

00:05:11.240 And even the body could be a better, like they could be a kind of a better class of people

00:05:15.660 that follow Trump, as it were.

00:05:18.420 You know, it's populist, but it's also like, I mean, they are on some level, they are the 0.95

00:05:23.740 deplorables.

00:05:24.540 I mean, they, you know, it's in a lot of that might just be a function of where we are as

00:05:29.140 a society and where people are as a society that we live in degraded conditions.

00:05:35.200 Part of that is a function of living in America in particular, you know what I mean?

00:05:38.860 So that might even be kind of emphasized in some ways versus Europe.

00:05:43.740 You know, I think that there's kind of a, maybe a kind of broader bell curve in a way

00:05:49.640 in America, uh, in the sense that we, we do have, uh, I think we, you know, I think we

00:05:55.600 do have these sort of deplorable types that are, are, um, they shouldn't really be the

00:06:00.460 face of movements effectively.

00:06:01.900 They're not, you know what I mean?

00:06:03.260 No.

00:06:03.580 And, but they also, they lack leadership.

00:06:06.040 And that's one thing you realize is that how, how important leadership is.

00:06:10.640 I mean, it's just really in every political context, how important leadership is.

00:06:14.640 And it's something that, um, I think that sometimes it's, you know, it strikes intelligent

00:06:21.680 people who are kind of like, let's say, uh, for lack of better terms, uh, sort of autonomous

00:06:28.500 thinkers, you know, free thinkers, intelligent people.

00:06:31.360 I think that they are, they often miss, uh, this point that leadership is required because

00:06:37.040 they don't themselves require leadership in their lives.

00:06:40.540 Right.

00:06:41.720 Right.

00:06:41.980 But leadership actually is required.

00:06:43.660 They like, you know, a, a large group of people and, you know, it's partially, maybe

00:06:49.080 it's an IQ thing, uh, but there are other factors of course involved as well, uh, that

00:06:53.620 people do require leadership and movements require leadership.

00:06:57.420 And often I would say probably the best leaders are, are in some cases the last to sort of realize

00:07:04.280 that, that people require, because they've never required leadership in their own lives.

00:07:08.520 That's the word, you know what I'm saying?

00:07:09.960 You know, there's, there's another issue to this and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll dilate on this

00:07:15.320 for a little bit that whether these people actually want leadership and, you know, so let,

00:07:21.540 let me start with this issue because this was the most bizarre coup attempt ever, perhaps

00:07:30.380 you could say, and look on some level, it was a coup attempt because don't tell me this is

00:07:37.220 a protest.

00:07:37.800 When you enter a Capitol building, I mean, when you go to that level, you are going in

00:07:44.100 to Congress, you're evading or overwhelming the police.

00:07:48.300 You are saying that the election is illegitimate and so on.

00:07:51.580 You, you are engaging in insurrection, however symbolic it might be.

00:07:55.680 And however farcical it might be, you are engaging insurrection.

00:07:59.220 It's funny.

00:07:59.880 I'm actually, um, listening to, uh, Will and Ariel Durant's, uh, book, uh, the age of Napoleon,

00:08:07.260 which is a really good listen, by the way, it's kind of an old fashioned great man history,

00:08:11.740 but, you know, he's telling the story of the French revolution and, you know, they would

00:08:19.040 have these mobs that would enter, you know, uh, go to Versailles or to go to other, you

00:08:26.100 know, major places and, you know, dozens would be dead.

00:08:30.700 The ones who made it through would go in and drink themselves silly in the wine cellars.

00:08:35.900 You know, I mean, this is a, what we saw today is a, is a fact of life.

00:08:41.020 It's a fact of history.

00:08:41.980 I mean, in some ways, the fact that apparently only one person has died, um, is remarkable.

00:08:47.820 I mean, it's much, uh, safer than it was in previous eras.

00:08:52.620 Uh, but they are engaging in this kind of stuff.

00:08:56.540 And this was planned.

00:08:57.980 I mean, there was big talk that I saw on Twitter about, you know, this next 48 hours are going

00:09:04.880 to change everything in terms of the Georgia vote.

00:09:07.020 And then the, uh, you know, the, the January 6th rally, and there was talk about Trump leading

00:09:14.900 a march to the Capitol.

00:09:16.460 So, you know, quasi March on Rome type thing, you know, that Trump would actually be out

00:09:21.540 there, you know, arm and arm with his supporters going to Washington.

00:09:26.260 I mean, that would have been quite dramatic.

00:09:27.920 Uh, this, you know, the stop the steal slogan actually traces itself back to 2016.

00:09:35.160 And, uh, that's when Roger Stone, uh, kind of coined this term and was, you know, developing

00:09:42.600 it, uh, under the assumption that Trump would lose in 2016.

00:09:45.600 Then in 2020, there was a concerted effort to delegitimize mail-in voting for months on

00:09:53.960 cable news, Fox in particular.

00:09:56.600 And, uh, then, you know, from there on, they were kind of pushing towards this, pushing

00:10:03.040 towards some way of delegitimizing the vote by talking about the mail-in ballots, talking

00:10:09.020 about vote dumping and all this kind of stuff that we've been hearing for the last three

00:10:12.680 months.

00:10:13.820 So they were kind of pushing towards this, but it was the most bizarre coup attempt ever

00:10:19.720 in the sense that, you know, if you're going to actually do a coup, you, you need to just

00:10:25.040 go through with it.

00:10:26.860 You can't do a half coup.

00:10:28.740 It's a bit like being half pregnant.

00:10:30.900 You are engaging in treason.

00:10:33.620 Uh, you know, your own sanity and legality is measured by your success.

00:10:38.380 Just to be brutal, brutally honest about it.

00:10:42.780 Uh, you have to be willing to go all the way.

00:10:45.580 You cannot go halfway. 1.00

00:10:47.140 You look like a complete idiot. 1.00

00:10:49.840 You basically get all the fallout of an attempted coup, but then there's nothing to build on. 1.00

00:10:55.960 And there's certainly no success from it. 0.98

00:10:57.580 It is utterly moronic, but at the same time, I don't think that this was just some, you 0.97

00:11:02.760 know, spasmodic, you know, craziness of the crowd. 0.98

00:11:07.700 I, I, they, they were clearly led in this direction.

00:11:10.820 And the people who were using the hot rhetoric, Lin Wood, Trump himself, Trump's allies using

00:11:18.640 this hot rhetoric for months had no real willingness or intention to back it up. 0.97

00:11:25.020 And so you basically let a bunch of fools enter the, uh, Capitol building, have some fun, 0.99

00:11:34.440 live stream the event. 1.00

00:11:35.800 One of them got killed.

00:11:37.420 Uh, the fact is we have not seen the end of it.

00:11:39.720 I think they're going to be major arrest.

00:11:41.600 I think all of the people involved in this movement are, are going to, you know, uh, at

00:11:48.160 the very least, some of them might be on probation, but they're going to be serious arrest, uh,

00:11:52.400 for this.

00:11:52.880 This is not fun and games.

00:11:54.120 When you walk into a Capitol building invades a Senator's office and live stream yourself 0.98

00:11:59.440 acting like a jackass, you're, you're going to jail for that. 0.97

00:12:02.480 Uh, you know, baked Alaska and company, whoever else was there, the America first movement, 1.00

00:12:07.960 you're going to jail for this.

00:12:09.540 This will be prosecuted as if it were treason.

00:12:12.600 It doesn't matter if you were engaging in some, you know, hyper real hijinks, you will

00:12:17.020 be treated as if you were engaging in prison.

00:12:19.640 And, uh, so we have this, this bizarre situation, um, where we have all of these people listening

00:12:27.740 to their leaders.

00:12:28.660 Their leaders have no intention of backing them up, nor do they ultimately have some

00:12:34.140 plan to bring off a coup. 0.99

00:12:36.380 It just becomes this clusterfuck. 0.99

00:12:39.180 Uh, and that's what we've seen today. 0.55

00:12:40.380 But I would ask this, like, you know, it is important to talk about, you know, intelligence

00:12:46.300 and leadership and planning and patience and so on.

00:12:49.360 I mean, that, that is a really important element of any kind of political movement, particularly

00:12:55.940 an insurgent one.

00:12:56.840 But do they want leadership?

00:13:00.980 I mean, I, I, I think my experience with the alt-right is that they generally don't want

00:13:10.580 to hear, uh, critical views about themselves or critical challenging views about the world.

00:13:18.660 They want to be led by people who are like them.

00:13:22.560 Uh, they, you know, one of the really major, you know, innovations that's taken place on

00:13:30.180 the internet over the past, you know, 10 to 15 years has been the development of the alternative

00:13:36.500 media and the development of these kind of utter mediocrity, utter media, utterly mediocre,

00:13:44.960 just guys who are either kind of entertaining like Alex Jones or who just reflect back at you, 1.00

00:13:51.940 your own mediocrity and your own stupidity. 0.99

00:13:55.440 I mean, I'm thinking of Tim Poole might be the ultimate example of this, just the, the essence 1.00

00:14:00.640 of mediocrity, someone who's has these delusional takes, who's kind of, you know, anxious about the

00:14:08.180 current political divide, but won't actually take a side, uh, someone who's just, you know, not even an

00:14:15.380 Asian nerd who's, who's kind of like somehow halfway between everything. 0.80

00:14:20.300 He's not charismatic.

00:14:21.160 He's not good looking.

00:14:22.240 He's not intelligent. 1.00

00:14:23.020 He's just nothing, but he just puts up a bunch of garbage on a daily basis that reflects back 0.99

00:14:31.600 at his listeners, what they're feeling at the moment. 0.96

00:14:35.400 And there we've moved away from a situation that has its benefits and has its downsides.

00:14:42.140 And that is a, a carefully curated and managed, um, hegemonic discourse through, through institutions

00:14:50.480 like the nightly news, through institutions like the new Republic and national review through the

00:14:55.980 New York times and the wall street journal.

00:14:57.700 You basically have a managed left, right spectrum and establishment viewpoint, and you can manage

00:15:04.760 opinions of people.

00:15:06.200 And that is the 20th century.

00:15:08.480 It's what Jackie Lule called propaganda in his sense of the word.

00:15:12.640 Which is managing people's thoughts, but also kind of managing their actions in daily life.

00:15:17.960 Um, where we are now, you know, the nightly news who watches that anymore.

00:15:22.280 I, I don't, I can't even name a news anchor.

00:15:24.940 Whereas, you know, someone like Walter Cronkite used to be one of the most important people in

00:15:30.300 the country.

00:15:30.680 I can't even name who the news anchors are anymore.

00:15:33.480 Uh, they're not even watching cable news so much as they're watching, so to speak, their

00:15:40.380 Facebook group and their Twitter feed and their forum or whatever their discord or whatever

00:15:46.840 they're on.

00:15:47.380 Um, we've just had this fragmenting and kind of, you know, siloing off of people where they

00:15:54.520 can talk to themselves.

00:15:55.760 And this is where they drive authenticity and the mainstream media, what used to manage 0.99

00:16:01.200 opinion is considered garbage. 0.98

00:16:04.140 It's considered lies. 1.00

00:16:05.500 It's evil.

00:16:06.320 Maybe, uh, it's, it's massively politically biased and fake news effectively.

00:16:13.120 And we've just entered a new stage of media consumption.

00:16:17.800 And I think the inability of the establishment to, uh, you know, again, curate and manage

00:16:25.720 opinion, and you need to do that to maintain stability.

00:16:28.680 I mean, I say this as someone who has, you could say alternative viewpoints, you, you too.

00:16:36.580 Uh, we aren't mainstream.

00:16:38.100 You could say we're dissidents.

00:16:39.600 You could say whatever, but I get that.

00:16:42.380 And I also get the need to manage opinions for, for maintaining a stable society.

00:16:48.080 And so we've, we've reached this new point where you have this fragmented though, kind

00:16:54.040 of authentic nut jobbery as that is replacing the mainstream media.

00:17:00.280 And it's going to lead to, you know, what is it?

00:17:04.780 You know, 60% of Republicans thinking that the election was stolen, uh, six, you know,

00:17:09.440 50% of Republicans being effectively QAnon, um, fellow travelers.

00:17:14.460 There was a recent poll, uh, that we, I actually mentioned an article by Ed Dutton recently,

00:17:19.400 but, um, 50% of Republicans think that the Democrats are engaged in sex trafficking and

00:17:24.860 are in Satan worship and so on.

00:17:26.880 You just have these bizarre opinions that are weirdly mainstream.

00:17:32.800 And this is happening with this kind of technological breakdown of what, you know, what used to be

00:17:39.660 the mainstream media.

00:17:41.040 And with that, um, you're going to end up in these situations of no real leadership because

00:17:48.800 leadership is top down.

00:17:50.460 Leadership is hierarchical.

00:17:51.840 Leadership is about the most intelligent guiding the body.

00:17:57.400 And we, I don't, I mean, it's going to be difficult.

00:18:01.340 It's, you know, it was difficult to do that in the, in the era of the mainstream media.

00:18:05.140 It is going to be difficult to do that in this area, in this, um, you know, area of, of the,

00:18:10.460 the network society or the fragmented society, the Facebook era.

00:18:15.040 It's going to be equally hard to guide these people because they don't really want that type

00:18:20.500 of leadership and, and you can kind of see this among them.

00:18:23.680 Like there, there, there, there is an anti-intellectual bias, but there's like a, a, just a reaction

00:18:28.960 against intelligence, you know, that you find among say the alt-right or, or these, you know,

00:18:35.980 Trump groups or whatever.

00:18:37.940 There, there's just a, a sense of that's not authentic.

00:18:40.900 That's not us.

00:18:42.680 And, you know, Alex Jones is real.

00:18:45.020 He's true.

00:18:45.620 He's authentic.

00:18:46.180 You know, the, you know, all, and, and from there on down, all these people, they're real.

00:18:50.500 They're all saying, this is what it's about.

00:18:52.580 And I don't know how we can really get ourselves out of this type of situation.

00:19:00.660 Yeah.

00:19:01.240 I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm ultimately optimistic, but I think that, um, geez, I, you said a lot

00:19:09.780 there.

00:19:09.980 I mean, I, I think that, uh, um, I think that, uh, there it's, there's so that what you're

00:19:17.680 saying is true that the audience has become fragmented and you do have like large numbers

00:19:23.300 of people following all these essentially weird nut jobs with conspiracy theories in

00:19:28.280 some cases, or just, you know, just unsophisticated people with bad takes or whatever people who

00:19:35.180 are like themselves as it were.

00:19:36.600 Uh, so I think that that is a real phenomenon at the same time, uh, Trump was adored as a

00:19:44.140 leader.

00:19:44.380 So if Trump had leadership skills and any political savvy, he, he would have been able to kind

00:19:51.900 of like, uh, use these conditions in a, in a very positive way.

00:19:55.880 I would argue, you know, or, or certainly in a much more positive way than he, than he

00:20:01.260 managed to, um, use, use this sort of situation he was given.

00:20:05.000 And, uh, because as much as, uh, the audience is fragmenting, as much as people are kind of

00:20:09.960 looking for a mirror of themselves, you know, in these, um, in these online worlds, they are

00:20:16.600 also, uh, very impressed by someone like Trump who has a kind of like establishment pedigree

00:20:24.460 and has, you know, has this sort of, um, it's a kind of legacy pedigree in the sense

00:20:30.220 that, I mean, the establishment no longer likes Trump, but Trump was part of Hollywood

00:20:34.620 effectively.

00:20:35.100 He was, he was one of the most famous people in the world.

00:20:38.140 Right.

00:20:38.760 And, and so that is part of his credibility with this MAGA crowd.

00:20:44.060 So he's still the reality TV star and, you know, he, he could have, uh, effectively had,

00:20:51.120 and he did in a way, I mean, just through kind of innuendo.

00:20:53.720 He caused this problem, but how do you start, had he actually been sort of commanding people

00:20:59.100 in a direct and clear way, the guy would have had tremendous power to wield and he could

00:21:04.200 have wielded it in a, in a good positive direction if he was sort of politically savvy and if he

00:21:10.740 actually had a vision of what he wanted to do, you know, and this is another problem though

00:21:15.460 with MAGA is it, and I think that this is also some, this also kind of infects the, uh,

00:21:20.420 the DR, the alt-right, uh, in the sense that people, uh, you know, anything that's kind

00:21:26.040 of implicitly white, this is a term that, um, you know, Kevin McDonald, I think maybe,

00:21:30.240 uh, made popular, but, uh, the MAGA movement is obviously an implicitly white movement as

00:21:36.880 is the GOP and as is the right wing generally, uh, the Republican party, um, as it's NASCAR

00:21:43.220 as this.

00:21:44.500 Yeah.

00:21:44.980 Yeah.

00:21:45.140 But so there is this real tendency for the kind of the racialist element in the DR to get

00:21:50.320 excited about things that are implicitly white, that like, you know, oh, there's, there's,

00:21:55.420 there is kind of a fascism, a nascent fascism lying under there that's going to emerge at

00:22:00.860 some point, but the problem is it, it never emerges because the movement actually requires

00:22:06.420 a kind of coherence and it requires leaders who are kind of articulating a vision and

00:22:11.460 otherwise these people are exactly what you get.

00:22:14.900 I mean, they're, they're honest in their way.

00:22:16.760 There's sort of, it's a kind of sincere type, not necessarily the most intelligent type in

00:22:21.420 in the case of the MAGAs, uh, but it's a sincere type.

00:22:25.400 So they're, they believe that it's about the constitution or it's about democracy or

00:22:31.180 it's about, uh, you know, it's about, uh, 1776 again.

00:22:35.580 And so there is no, so that's what it's going to be, right?

00:22:40.160 So what you see is what you, you, you get it's because, I mean, there's a couple of the

00:22:45.380 two factors, they lack sophistication, so they wouldn't be able to veil any sort of secret

00:22:50.520 agenda as it were anyways.

00:22:52.440 And, uh, they lack leadership, which is the leadership is not articulating a desirable

00:22:59.180 vision.

00:22:59.580 It's just this sort of, you know, it's just this kind of vague thing that Trump has done.

00:23:04.800 And, you know, again, and he's created the problem that he's created the whole time.

00:23:07.940 And this has a lot of similarities to Charlottesville, in fact, right.

00:23:11.400 And this will have a lot of this, uh, kind of a lot of the same consequences.

00:23:15.040 It's like Charlottesville times.

00:23:17.080 I mean, potentially this is Fuentes is Charlottesville, right?

00:23:19.860 I don't, you know what I mean?

00:23:21.600 If we're comparing him to you.

00:23:23.480 I, I, I, it's like Charlottesville times a thousand, because the thing is Charlottesville

00:23:28.980 is ultimately defensible and, and not that there weren't some very bad things that, that occurred.

00:23:36.160 Obviously the, you know, um, car incident with Heather Heyer, uh, was terrible as was the, um,

00:23:43.360 the, the police helicopter accident, which of course was no one's fault.

00:23:47.160 That was simply a pilot error, but those are very bad things.

00:23:51.040 But, um, that was defensible in the sense that that was a, that was how you engage in the

00:23:57.280 public square.

00:23:57.880 If you want to stand up for something, stand up for a symbol, like the Robert E. Lee statue,

00:24:02.380 you go and hold protest and go out and give speeches.

00:24:07.220 I mean, that's what you're supposed to do.

00:24:08.860 It's defensible.

00:24:09.400 This is just totally indefensible.

00:24:12.560 I mean, I, I, I, on all levels, I mean, you, you are, they were in, I mean, I get it.

00:24:17.620 It was a farce and it was crazy, but they are engaging in insurrection and treason and they

00:24:23.720 will be treated like that.

00:24:24.880 But beyond that, they are engaging in this on behalf of this man who will not support them

00:24:30.880 and will denounce them immediately afterwards.

00:24:33.720 So it's, it's just indefensible and it's going to be worse.

00:24:38.760 It's not just about street fights and whether you, you know, use too much force against someone

00:24:44.900 who shoved you or something, you know, those are like a lot of the issues of, of Charlottesville.

00:24:49.080 Uh, the, if you enter the Capitol building, you, you've engaged in insurrection.

00:24:53.280 It's just, it doesn't matter if you're there to live stream and it's all for the lulls.

00:24:57.960 You are guilty of this period, end of statement in any other era, you would have been shot 0.54

00:25:04.920 on side.

00:25:06.340 I mean, yeah.

00:25:07.540 And I, and I think that we'll, this is so much worse.

00:25:10.580 Sure.

00:25:10.780 And I think we'll both hasten to add that, you know, hopefully, hopefully there aren't

00:25:15.220 like severe jail sentences and there is leniency.

00:25:18.200 Right.

00:25:18.820 I mean, I, I certainly hope for that.

00:25:21.080 Right.

00:25:21.480 I don't hope for that.

00:25:23.660 Right.

00:25:24.900 Why would I hope for that?

00:25:26.640 Uh, I don't know.

00:25:27.640 Just, uh, in any case, I, I, I think that, um, uh, moving on, but I think that, uh, I

00:25:38.420 think that you're right.

00:25:39.260 I, but I think the problem is that they don't realize how serious it was.

00:25:42.480 Right.

00:25:42.760 So I think they're going in with this kind of groper attitude, but, but they are basically

00:25:48.260 storming the Bastille.

00:25:49.440 I mean, that's effectively what's happening and there are legal consequences to it.

00:25:54.540 Yeah.

00:25:54.660 Um, so that is unfortunate.

00:25:56.680 Um, uh, you, you know, uh, but they live in this hyper real world.

00:26:02.060 It's just so bizarre.

00:26:03.440 I mean, it's like they, they live in this world where like a D live stream or someone's 1.00

00:26:11.180 Twitter feed or whatever, like, this is the real thing.

00:26:13.920 Like they're taking part in politics, um, by, you know, donating a lemon to baked Alaska

00:26:21.080 on his crazy stream.

00:26:22.360 Like they, they're, they're in this weird, hyper real realm where that is real.

00:26:26.360 That's more real than the real.

00:26:28.140 Well, yeah.

00:26:28.920 It's sort of like they just finished playing grand theft.

00:26:31.700 Right.

00:26:32.140 But then you're like, Oh, wait a second. 0.99

00:26:35.340 I actually just murdered a prostitute. 0.99

00:26:38.720 Right. 0.98

00:26:39.680 And so they just finished playing the game.

00:26:41.840 Illegal actually.

00:26:43.220 And then they went to the protest and then there was no real sort of the behavior didn't

00:26:47.660 change in any way.

00:26:49.280 Exactly.

00:26:49.760 So, uh, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of unfortunate things happened and I, you know, I, I am, uh,

00:26:58.800 I hope for the best for everyone involved in humanity in general, but it is, I think that

00:27:04.460 they are up Schitt's Creek without a paddle, unfortunately.

00:27:08.240 Um, you know, the other thing too, the other interesting aspect of this as well is that, um,

00:27:13.360 a very tragic and unfortunate aspect of this was the woman that was killed and, you know,

00:27:18.540 and so here's the other dimension of what they, it's, it's not just what they did.

00:27:23.460 It's the political climate in which they did it, which is, you know, in Charlottesville,

00:27:28.060 it definitely was not what you guys did.

00:27:30.840 It was entirely the political environment.

00:27:33.000 You guys were a hundred percent, you know, legally and constitutionally correct, but because

00:27:38.700 of the political environment, your, your rights were violated.

00:27:42.280 Now this is, now they're in the same, they're in worse politically, even more sort of

00:27:48.380 rabid leftist environment and they're, they're violating, uh, the law in the constitution.

00:27:55.400 Right.

00:27:55.840 So, um, yeah, it's a, I think it's a problem.

00:27:58.740 It's, it's definitely a problem, but the other thing too, though, which I think is, um,

00:28:03.120 so this woman was killed and, uh, you know, that is something that I think is, she's going

00:28:10.080 to become on some level of martyr for the right.

00:28:13.020 I would have to predict, uh, predict, um, maybe, okay, maybe it won't happen, but what

00:28:20.960 will happen is because the contrast of her death versus like the death of, um, George

00:28:27.520 Floyd, for example, uh, where police used, uh, ostensibly used unnecessary force and killed

00:28:33.700 him.

00:28:33.940 Uh, though there it's, you know, it's much less clear ostensibly.

00:28:37.640 I mean, they actually shot her with an assault rifle.

00:28:39.720 It sounds like, right.

00:28:40.540 She was killed, uh, which seems like, it seems a little excessive.

00:28:44.680 Um, so I think, I think.

00:28:47.720 I'm sorry to push back on this, but I mean, look, I obviously don't wish anything to happen

00:28:53.940 to her, but at the same time, if we were in a different century, there would have been

00:29:00.060 dozens of deaths, they, they would have, the, the, you know, the, the people, the palace

00:29:05.300 guard would have just opened fire on the protesters.

00:29:09.140 And because what they did was so symbolically insulting, it's one thing to go out to a public

00:29:17.940 space.

00:29:18.780 And there are many of them in Washington, DC and wave flags or hold signs or protests,

00:29:24.120 sing songs.

00:29:24.720 Uh, you know, any use of force against anything like that is, is just indefensible and you would

00:29:32.320 create martyrs.

00:29:33.820 Oh, I I'm sorry.

00:29:35.500 If you storm the Bastille like this, if you, if you just go in to not just public property,

00:29:43.640 but government, um, sovereignty, uh, you, you cannot expect to come out alive.

00:29:52.140 I mean, I'm, I'm sorry.

00:29:54.040 I think you're, I think you're making your, I think you're, you're making your point and

00:29:57.820 it's a good point.

00:29:59.100 All I'm saying is the perspective from the right, from this, this crazy, like, uh, Magtard 1.00

00:30:05.960 like group that we have now that is basically a significant factor now in the political right.

00:30:13.160 Um, they're going to have a different perspective.

00:30:16.720 Do you draw?

00:30:17.460 I think you dropped from the stream.

00:30:18.720 Yeah.

00:30:24.040 Richard.

00:30:31.960 There we go.

00:30:33.860 Okay.

00:30:34.260 I'm back.

00:30:34.860 I'll just cut this out.

00:30:36.260 Yeah.

00:30:36.540 30 minutes.

00:30:37.180 Okay.

00:30:37.460 So this isn't actually live then it's not live.

00:30:39.720 Not live.

00:30:40.360 No.

00:30:40.900 Okay.

00:30:41.340 It says live up in the corner, but I guess it's recording.

00:30:44.420 Yeah.

00:30:44.580 Um, you know, so I, I, I'm actually talking more to the perspective on the right and the

00:30:53.380 perspective on the right, she could develop as a martyr, uh, given the figures that she 0.84

00:30:57.700 can be contrasted with, uh, including, uh, George Floyd.

00:31:01.980 Uh, but I take your point.

00:31:03.340 I mean, I think, I think it is, it's correct.

00:31:06.120 I mean, they, they were defending the Capitol building, right.

00:31:09.920 Which was being, uh, invaded.

00:31:12.540 Um, there, she was the only death.

00:31:14.380 Right.

00:31:14.720 And then it seems like at some point, uh, the resistance faltered with the cops and they

00:31:19.220 just kind of allowed these people to kind of wander around, uh, the various chambers

00:31:23.480 in the Capitol building.

00:31:24.780 Um, and you know, I don't want to get too conspiratorial on this, but in Charlottesville, we had a very

00:31:37.820 difficult situation where the, you know, the most peaceful people were cleared off the field

00:31:45.780 and then the most violent people were allowed to run wild.

00:31:50.080 So, um, we were all there.

00:31:52.660 We were waiting and I think it was noon when, um, you know, people were supposed to speak

00:31:58.020 and, uh, a, um, in a state of emergency was called before the violence took any major violence

00:32:07.340 took place.

00:32:07.880 There were certainly pushing and shoving.

00:32:09.960 I got maced by Antifa person, but, um, the, the state of emergency was called almost immediately.

00:32:18.820 And it's certainly before the worst acts of violence were, were, were enacted upon.

00:32:24.180 And, uh, the people who were there to protest were shoved off the, uh, field, what was Lee

00:32:31.460 Park now emancipation park and pushed into market street.

00:32:34.560 And I can remember after being cleared off the field by militarized police, uh, making this

00:32:41.440 run for it, uh, with Gregory Conti, where it was like, you know, running through Mogadishu

00:32:49.120 or something there, the people were launching rocks or who knows what at us and yelling at

00:32:54.780 us and throwing things.

00:32:55.620 I mean, it was a total disaster.

00:32:58.940 Um, I got out mostly unscathed.

00:33:01.740 Um, and then afterward, afterward, I actually went back to my hotel, but afterward, um, it

00:33:08.360 basically downtown Charlottesville where the protest was not taking place just became chaotic.

00:33:15.420 And that's when, you know, that, and that, that chaos eventuated and the death of, of Heather

00:33:21.200 Hire, we seem to have a kind of, it's not quite a reversal, but it's a, it's a little

00:33:26.000 bit of a different situation.

00:33:27.280 So you had all these people, you know, outside the Capitol and they were there, you know,

00:33:32.600 at the president's request.

00:33:34.980 And there was talk.

00:33:36.540 I don't know if you saw this on Twitter.

00:33:38.340 There were a few clips that I saw of people talking about entering the Capitol.

00:33:43.600 There's one clip with baked Alaska where he was with this big, you know, older gentleman.

00:33:48.440 And they're like saying, you know, we've got to enter the Capitol and tell them this is

00:33:52.680 what's happening.

00:33:53.320 This, you're not, we're not going to allow you to do this.

00:33:56.420 And, um, I don't think it's being, you know, I, I don't want to tread into Alex Jones territory

00:34:02.180 here, but it does seem like they were allowed to tread onto sovereign territory a little too

00:34:10.480 freely.

00:34:10.920 And you could say that maybe that was simply because, um, the, the, the DC police didn't

00:34:18.060 want a bloodbath fair, fair enough.

00:34:20.920 Maybe that, that simple explanation might be the true one.

00:34:24.640 Um, but I don't know.

00:34:26.380 Um, maybe this was, maybe there was, maybe there was sympathy among the, the DC police.

00:34:32.320 Maybe there was a bit of a setup going on.

00:34:34.960 I don't know, but it was weird and it's at least worth speculating upon.

00:34:40.060 I don't have any evidence for this.

00:34:41.800 I assume if there is evidence for this, um, we're going to start to see it trickle out

00:34:45.500 in, uh, the coming weeks.

00:34:47.860 But just the fact that this was allowed to happen, I mean, it talk about embarrassment.

00:34:53.800 I mean, a guy wearing a coonskin cap and Viking horns is in the chamber of the Senate, you

00:35:03.060 know, like, I mean, that's really shocking.

00:35:05.800 And I mean, that's not even like third world behavior.

00:35:08.960 That's just like podunk country behavior.

00:35:12.880 There's the difference between Odinism and Apolloism actually.

00:35:17.260 You think so?

00:35:18.480 Yeah, he was a, he did, he did seem to be an Odinist.

00:35:20.920 I think he had like a big George hammer tattoo.

00:35:22.860 He's representing.

00:35:24.040 Yeah.

00:35:25.360 Yeah.

00:35:26.260 Not too different from pretty much every other Odinist I've met with the exception of, 0.99

00:35:32.840 um, Stephen McNallan, who, who's, uh, I've always enjoyed it.

00:35:36.680 He's a gentleman and a scholar.

00:35:38.040 I've always enjoyed it.

00:35:38.940 And there are, there are other exceptions.

00:35:40.700 Yeah, there are some others, but there are a lot of guys.

00:35:44.780 The least we can say, even if he's facing a decade in jail, um, I will guarantee you that

00:35:49.920 guy is getting laid tonight.

00:35:52.860 Yeah, it's funny how the world works in funny ways, but I think you're probably correct.

00:35:58.500 Front page of the Washington Post, dressed like a Viking, like in the center of Senate.

00:36:04.200 Sure.

00:36:05.240 And criminal activity.

00:36:06.320 He's getting a famous criminal.

00:36:07.600 Yeah. 0.84

00:36:08.240 He's getting chicks. 1.00

00:36:09.220 That all adds up.

00:36:12.740 I would agree.

00:36:15.060 But, um, yeah, I don't, I mean, one of the things too, that's just kind of like, I mean,

00:36:20.920 Trump, his decline is just so striking and amazing.

00:36:24.460 Um, and I think that also are, we gave him so much credit in the beginning.

00:36:31.880 Like we, we, we believed him to be much more sophisticated than he turned out to be, um,

00:36:37.980 where he's just kind of like, not that politically savvy.

00:36:42.120 And I mean, look, I, I, obviously probably the guy has a fairly high IQ, uh, and he's,

00:36:47.940 um, you know, he's obviously gifted as a businessman and he's, he's intelligent on some

00:36:54.160 level.

00:36:54.500 There's no question about it.

00:36:55.460 Sure.

00:36:55.840 But his political savvy is very low and very weird.

00:37:01.480 That's how I would describe it.

00:37:03.160 What's that?

00:37:03.540 Because he obviously, well, it's very weird.

00:37:05.700 His political savvy, because I just, look, this is a guy who did develop real estate and 0.99

00:37:12.080 you can say he's an idiot and how, you know, if he, if he had just, there, there's one fairly 0.99

00:37:17.580 strong argument that if he had simply invested the money that he got from his dad, he would 1.00

00:37:22.080 be much better off now than he is, um, true.

00:37:27.340 Uh, but you know, he did develop property in Manhattan and you don't just do that as 1.00

00:37:34.520 an idiot. 0.99

00:37:35.140 You know, you, you have to have some level of savvy and even taste and, um, vision to 1.00

00:37:41.480 accomplish that.

00:37:42.500 Um, now whether he's lost a lot, I don't know, but you, you also can't become president without

00:37:46.840 having a political instinct.

00:37:48.120 But what is that political instinct?

00:37:50.260 I think it's a weird political instinct, instinct.

00:37:53.440 And at least in his, you know, seventies, um, this political instinct is towards, uh, chaos

00:38:01.060 and, and this intense ambiguity, like what we saw today, where he both inspires these

00:38:06.960 people to go to bat for him, but then denounces them and doesn't back them up.

00:38:11.820 And he, he, he has a weird political savvy of like trying to make in runs around things.

00:38:17.280 And I, and I think this is why we thought that he was our guy and why he was effectively,

00:38:22.160 you know, using the alt-right and pumping us up and so on is that he, he, he grasped

00:38:28.240 that the establishment hated him and he needed to find another way.

00:38:32.720 And he found, he, and he found these kind of wild banshees that were on his side.

00:38:36.740 And he was like, well, these guys will fight in my army.

00:38:38.740 If the regular army, you know, won't do it, then I'm going to bring in these wild men from 1.00

00:38:44.060 the hinterlands.

00:38:45.540 And so I think that did show some political savvy and I think he continued to do that.

00:38:50.340 Um, but he does also have a savvy for kind of like intense ambiguity and chaos where he'll,

00:38:59.640 he'll kind of like support something, but never actually implement it.

00:39:03.860 We all talk about how he betrayed us and he doesn't have a policy vision on immigration,

00:39:07.980 et cetera.

00:39:08.180 That's all true, but he kind of like brings up these issues, these hot buttons and realizes

00:39:15.340 how intense they are and how kind of toxic they can be.

00:39:18.980 And then he kind of brings them up there and, and, and, you know, gains victory for them,

00:39:25.700 at least temporary victory.

00:39:26.680 And then cause kind of dispenses with them.

00:39:28.620 And he, he did this with the birther issue, the birth certificate, the Obama birth certificate

00:39:32.920 controversy from 10 years ago.

00:39:34.700 Uh, he did this with the alt right.

00:39:36.480 He did this with immigration. 0.81

00:39:37.640 He did this with race, um, of just, you know, tweeting about black crime and kind of, you

00:39:43.780 know, pushing everyone's button and kind of getting this intense energy from that in a

00:39:50.120 way that other politicians aren't able to evoke that energy.

00:39:53.100 He was, but then not following through on anything and just getting kind of crushed by the opposition.

00:39:59.280 It's just, he has a weird political instinct and it can carry you far, but it's, it also

00:40:05.300 kind of hoists you by your own petard in the end.

00:40:09.740 Yeah.

00:40:10.500 And I, I mean, I also, the, the people he, uh, chose to surround himself with, you know,

00:40:16.040 including Pence, right.

00:40:17.240 That's, that's a very kind of dramatic betrayal at the end.

00:40:19.960 Um, but we all, you know, he, he, and the whole, his rhetoric about draining the swamp

00:40:26.040 and then he surrounds himself, you know, in the beginning with all these guys from like

00:40:30.820 Goldman Sachs and, you know, he, he, he basically, uh, refills the swamp with different swamp

00:40:37.720 creatures as it were.

00:40:38.540 And he, and he, and also some GOP shills like Pence.

00:40:44.100 I mean, no one, no one liked Pence in the alt-right when, when he originally was chosen.

00:40:49.200 Um, so, I mean, so these were things where it seemed like he had some sort of faith in

00:40:55.840 his ability to kind of negotiate and bring people to his side.

00:40:59.880 And it, it seems like it was not correct for that particular arena.

00:41:05.520 So in other words, the, his, his, his skills as a businessman did not transfer well in

00:41:14.060 many ways, uh, to his, his abilities as a politician.

00:41:17.960 Um, and that's one example.

00:41:19.460 I mean, he should have just, he should have effectively surrounded himself with loyalists,

00:41:23.400 right.

00:41:23.740 Rather than trying to make connections into the mainstream establishment by surrounding

00:41:28.220 himself with smart loyalists who would have pushed back on him because he, he did surround

00:41:32.240 himself by loyalists to a degree, but he didn't surround himself with, with anyone who has

00:41:38.040 a vision for something and could push him in a certain direction and push back on him.

00:41:43.100 You know, I mean, Kellyanne Conway is a loyal loyalist.

00:41:47.160 Sure. 1.00

00:41:47.820 In some level level, but we're Lewandowski or all these morons, but you, you, you can't do 1.00

00:41:54.380 that. 0.99

00:41:54.660 You actually need people who are smarter than you in the room and who can push back and tell

00:41:59.780 you the truth.

00:42:01.020 And I don't think he had anyone like that.

00:42:03.940 Yeah.

00:42:04.580 So that's a good point.

00:42:05.700 Mike Penn was probably stroking his ego up until like 24 hours ago, you know, just kind 0.75

00:42:11.360 of the guy who looks, he's a professional ass kisser, but yeah, no, I, no, I think you 0.96

00:42:20.660 make a good point. 1.00

00:42:21.280 And so he surrounded himself basically with traitors and fools is essentially what he 0.99

00:42:25.080 did, you know? 1.00

00:42:26.560 Um, and, but a lot of those fools were basically, uh, removed and, uh, replaced by 0.99

00:42:33.420 traitors, more traitors effectively, you know? 0.98

00:42:36.360 Uh, so I don't, um, I don't know what to say.

00:42:39.160 I mean, it was, it's just, it's just really disappointing.

00:42:41.660 It's his predecessor.

00:42:42.440 It was just a disaster. 0.99

00:42:44.120 The whole thing is just a fucking disaster, you know, because it's like we, we gained a 0.99

00:42:50.760 little something from it. 0.99

00:42:51.920 I mean, the alt right is out there.

00:42:54.640 Uh, the, the, I mean, just speaking to be honest, Richard Spencer as a meme is out there.

00:43:00.000 The ethno state is out there.

00:43:01.820 Like, you know, we gained certain, uh, a certain amount of notoriety.

00:43:06.220 Now we paid a huge price for that, but we did gain that.

00:43:10.520 But at the same time, the whole thing is just a colossal disaster because look, I am not

00:43:15.280 a right-wing populist, but if I were, um, I could only conclude that this was a, a catastrophe

00:43:22.720 because I mean, immigration reform or whatever.

00:43:26.160 I mean, that, that, that issue is now tainted because it's not just an issue that's already

00:43:31.760 difficult and there's already like business interest against it.

00:43:35.420 You now, it's now per maybe not permanently, but long-term tainted by buffoonery and silliness

00:43:43.620 and racism and all this kind of stuff with Trump, um, right-wing popular, like a right-wing

00:43:48.820 nationalist party or whatever that, that is tainted for the next decade.

00:43:55.720 That is not happening and it's just not happening.

00:44:00.240 And they, like Trump did this, Trump shat the bed and you guys, because I'm not a part

00:44:09.940 of that world, but you guys are going to have to deal with this because you guys backed him

00:44:15.020 up until the end.

00:44:15.800 I don't know if they're now turning on him or apologizing or equivocating or whatever, 0.59

00:44:20.300 but you guys supported this buffoon until the very end and you're going to have to sleep 0.79

00:44:27.140 in that chat bed, you know, I mean, you just are going to have to, and all of that stuff 0.91

00:44:34.400 that was presented as pragmatic, pragmatic is not pragmatic at all because it is now tainted

00:44:41.620 for the longterm by Trump. 0.99

00:44:43.600 And, and what happened today as just the, the cherry on the shit Sunday. 0.99

00:44:48.720 Yeah. 0.95

00:44:49.720 And, and, and returning to the point you made, uh, before, because I think there's another

00:44:55.440 aspect, maybe in which you're kind of like alluding to now is that, um, so yeah, Trump

00:45:02.160 made all these, he had all this kind of bold rhetoric.

00:45:05.380 Uh, he was a lot of bark and no bite effectively.

00:45:08.800 But what that did was it, it was kind of the worst of both worlds because it, it, uh, it

00:45:14.480 made the left militant, it militarized the left and, and made them rabid against us

00:45:19.760 effectively.

00:45:20.540 And, uh, this is no exception.

00:45:22.980 Um, because in, well, it, it emboldened us foolishly thinking that we had his back, that

00:45:28.720 he had our back.

00:45:29.660 He didn't have our back.

00:45:31.140 Um, so that happened again today. 0.97

00:45:32.880 He emboldened these fools effectively because really, and I think that his supporters have 0.99

00:45:38.160 gotten less intelligent. 0.99

00:45:39.860 Let's be honest, because at the beginning, yeah, at the beginning, he had this, yeah.

00:45:43.740 At the beginning, he had our support, right?

00:45:46.080 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:47.180 So his, his supporters got increasingly less intelligent and more foolish. 0.98

00:45:52.400 And so his strategy of, uh, you know, all, uh, bark and no bite. 0.99

00:45:57.800 He, he basically, it was, he led the lambs to the slaughter effectively, right?

00:46:01.920 But I mean, yeah, by the end, by 2020, like you had a lot of smart people and kind of interesting

00:46:09.040 people who were independent, who were getting behind Trump in 2016.

00:46:12.560 By 2020, you had evangelical preachers speaking in tongues on behalf of Trump.

00:46:19.940 I mean, you know, I, I don't know.

00:46:22.120 I mean that, that, that Paula White, you know, situation, you know, like a hoomba joomba, they're 0.75

00:46:27.340 coming from Africa.

00:46:28.200 They're coming from Mexico. 0.99

00:46:29.240 They're voting for Trump.

00:46:31.180 Yeah.

00:46:31.900 You had, that was, that was Trumpism in 2020.

00:46:36.020 That's what you guys got.

00:46:37.440 Uh, that's where it ended up.

00:46:40.020 And, you know, the religious right was on kind of the Cruz and Rubio plantation.

00:46:45.240 They were now totally on the Trump plantation.

00:46:47.760 I don't know what's going to happen after today.

00:46:49.380 Uh, but that, that, that's more religious too, right?

00:46:54.280 It's a much more religious, much more religious.

00:46:58.660 I wonder why there's a connection there, right?

00:47:04.060 I think Dutton has done some studies on this, right?

00:47:06.660 I know.

00:47:06.960 So that's what you get.

00:47:09.420 And I mean, it's sort of like, uh, uh, Gibbon talks about the decline of Rome where superstition

00:47:14.980 becomes rife as things start to, you know, and just all these sort of crazy cults start

00:47:19.660 popping up because people, you know, uh, the leadership is gone, right?

00:47:25.460 Uh, uh, conditions are becoming more degenerate and dysgenic.

00:47:29.520 Um, you know, the influences that people have are worse influences.

00:47:34.000 There's no leadership that, you know, the leadership, the establishment is corrupt.

00:47:38.960 They don't care about the people anymore.

00:47:41.120 You know, they don't care about the demos.

00:47:42.900 There's a complete disconnect.

00:47:44.640 The elites are, are, you know, they're all set and they're not worried.

00:47:48.200 And, and, but the consequences that, uh, the consequence is basically the deplorables.

00:47:53.780 It's the Magatars, but the deplorables now are much of a much lower quality than they 1.00

00:47:59.620 were in 2016 when we effectively were among the deplorables because, you know, it looked

00:48:06.220 like there was, we, we might've had a serious candidate on our hands.

00:48:10.140 Yeah.

00:48:10.640 As it turns out we didn't, you know, so he lost all the support of the intelligent people.

00:48:15.840 Um, and, uh, I'm, yeah, I'm glad that we, uh, I'm glad that we were hated for this long

00:48:23.380 time to only be proven right.

00:48:26.660 It's kind of, it is kind of vindicating in a way, right?

00:48:30.100 It is kind of vindicating.

00:48:31.480 Also, I'm just glad that I'm not, I, you know, I, the spotlight is not worth like supporting 0.99

00:48:39.520 lies and bullshit. 0.96

00:48:41.600 And I am glad that I am not apologizing for this man. 0.99

00:48:45.880 And that means that I'm out of the spotlight, but that's okay because like the spotlight

00:48:51.580 was sometimes a little too bright and it got, you know, we, we kind of needed to get

00:48:56.800 out.

00:48:57.220 I needed to get out of the spotlight a little bit and I am deeply thankful that, you know,

00:49:03.380 that, that Biden vote was, uh, you know, a, a little bit of a troll, but I think it was

00:49:11.700 absolutely justified and just basically to separate us from this and say, we are going

00:49:19.160 on a different path.

00:49:20.620 We are not fooled by this nonsense.

00:49:22.480 We're moving upward and onward.

00:49:24.300 We are not, our, our success in the future success is not contingent upon this man.

00:49:31.280 And I think that was entirely necessary.

00:49:33.680 And I think I will, yes, be justified.

00:49:36.800 Um, but I am very thankful that I, um, really, you know, pulled the, uh, escape or whatever

00:49:47.200 the metaphor is, jumped out of the plane with a parachute.

00:49:52.120 Yeah.

00:49:52.800 Bane style jumped out of the plane.

00:49:56.700 Oh, some must die in the wreckage brother.

00:50:01.020 Sorry.

00:50:03.020 Yeah.

00:50:04.040 Bye.

00:50:04.380 Bye.

00:50:06.800 But I, you know, I, I mean, honestly, uh, the, there are, because we're now in a new

00:50:12.660 phase and I think that there are obviously many questions and we don't know exactly what

00:50:17.160 we're looking at now.

00:50:18.380 Um, in front, in, in terms of, you know, the one big question is, uh, deep platforming

00:50:22.740 now, are we just wiped off the web?

00:50:24.860 We don't, we actually don't know the answer to that question or, are they going to be like,

00:50:28.360 well, okay, we got Trump out and are they going to relax and they're not going to have

00:50:32.420 like sort of the, um, they're going to have a little less juice, like the ADL and these

00:50:36.720 groups are, there's going to be less sort of, uh, um, kind of justification for their

00:50:42.380 fear as it were.

00:50:43.580 Right.

00:50:43.740 So it might be more difficult for them to mobilize all the people they need to mobilize

00:50:48.000 to actually get this sort of legislation passed and that sort of thing.

00:50:51.760 Like maybe people start to relax on the left a little more.

00:50:54.640 We don't know.

00:50:55.360 We, we actually, I think it's, you know, we don't know.

00:50:57.920 And I don't think there's going to be good legislation that would be really helpful that

00:51:02.340 could have been done in like 2018 or something when, when we knew full well was happening.

00:51:08.400 And in fact, Trump had, you know, de-platforming conferences and so on at the white house.

00:51:13.100 Like he could have done something.

00:51:15.180 I don't think we're going to see that, which could have been very helpful, but I agree with

00:51:19.200 you just like the juice is, is not there on the opposition side.

00:51:23.200 I think we might enter a kind of more ambiguous phase.

00:51:26.900 No, I don't think Trump will.

00:51:28.360 I, I mean, um, as of today, from what I understand, Trump's account has been locked because even

00:51:33.820 though he was calling for peace today, um, he, uh, in his video, he was still saying the

00:51:40.660 same stuff.

00:51:41.320 So he was basically saying like, you know, come down, go home.

00:51:45.220 Let's leave in peace.

00:51:47.160 Uh, but at the same time, he was like, they stole the election.

00:51:50.740 It wasn't, it wasn't right.

00:51:52.460 We will remember this day.

00:51:54.000 Like he just can't help himself in America.

00:51:56.680 Yeah.

00:51:57.520 He just, he, this intense ambiguity, which is the, like, he just has like an instinct for

00:52:02.500 it.

00:52:02.700 It's weird.

00:52:03.800 It's like, I don't know.

00:52:05.800 It's like, he could never, I don't, I know he's been divorced a number of times, but he's

00:52:09.220 like the woman who like, can't break up with you, but then like hates you, but then

00:52:13.820 like sends you loving messages.

00:52:15.580 And it's, it's just like worse in a way.

00:52:17.960 You're like pulling your hair out due to, due to, he's like that.

00:52:21.440 He just creates this just unbearable ambivalence and, and, and ambiguity that that's what his

00:52:27.320 instinct is.

00:52:28.360 And he did it again today.

00:52:29.640 I, I, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:52:31.480 I mean, um, my, I, I mentioned this on Twitter.

00:52:35.200 I, I think something might happen.

00:52:37.540 Um, whether Pence might take over, I'm forgetting which amendment that was.

00:52:41.640 There's, um, which amendment was that?

00:52:43.740 I can't remember the number, but it, it was some amendment that was basically in there.

00:52:47.480 If the president is rendered incompetent, then, then you can pass this on to Pence.

00:52:51.820 I would not be at all surprised if he is impeached and removed.

00:52:56.880 And yes, that's mostly ceremonial at this point, but, um, I, I could see it happening in a kind

00:53:02.720 of an emergency fashion.

00:53:03.880 Um, and I think he might be impeached and removed from Twitter.

00:53:09.560 Yeah.

00:53:10.060 So it, so the other thing, so there are two dimensions to this.

00:53:13.980 Um, and the one is, you know, what is going to happen with platforming?

00:53:18.200 Uh, uh, you know, are we going to be more, uh, kind of significantly de-platformed in the

00:53:24.280 wake of his presidency or, or are they going to sort of, is there going to be an instinct

00:53:28.140 to relax?

00:53:28.680 Um, so we don't know the answer to that.

00:53:31.880 The other thing, the other element too, is that, uh, Trump is still a political player

00:53:36.420 and he, um, he, he has always only been a mouth as it were.

00:53:42.460 Right.

00:53:42.920 So in a lot of ways, he's more effective out of office because when he's in office, he

00:53:47.580 doesn't do anything anyways.

00:53:49.140 Right.

00:53:49.680 So when he's out of office, if he still is saying, and he still has a platform, I don't

00:53:55.020 know how much of a platform he's going to have, uh, in the years to come.

00:53:58.000 I'm not, I'm not sure, but he, he still has a very huge and strong following and he'll

00:54:02.360 still be able to talk somehow to his following.

00:54:05.580 Um, so the rhetoric, there will still be this kind of inflammatory rhetoric and that's not

00:54:13.380 a bad thing, I guess, especially if, you know, if the, uh, if Biden and the Democrats are

00:54:17.740 in power.

00:54:18.280 So the next four years could be years of opportunity, but it's, it's really, it's really hard to

00:54:25.300 say.

00:54:25.540 I, I don't think there's anything to be gained by this, his bloviating.

00:54:31.400 And I do think that the next four years are going to be one of opportunity when we can

00:54:35.940 build the something better because the big issues are not going away.

00:54:40.060 Like, I think that Biden might actually believe that he just has to come and give the country

00:54:46.080 a big hug and be like, all right, it's, it's okay, pal.

00:54:48.480 Like we're, we're, you know, we're, it's going to be 1984 again, you know, now that I'm in

00:54:53.960 office and everyone's going to be rich and happy and there's no division or polarization

00:54:58.080 or whatever.

00:54:58.880 Like I, I, I think he might actually.

00:55:01.440 It's 1984 in some ways, right?

00:55:04.040 Probably in a way.

00:55:04.720 Um, yeah, 1984 in the, uh, Wonder Woman 1984 ways.

00:55:10.540 Um, but, uh, I, uh, I, I, I, I think he might actually believe that I don't, obviously he

00:55:16.820 can't do that.

00:55:17.920 So all of the problems are going to be there.

00:55:20.420 And I, and I think this is the opportunity for us to rebuild and build, uh, and then

00:55:24.880 also find new ways of articulating our message because the articulation of our message via 0.98

00:55:33.740 right-wing populism, it's fucking over guys. 0.99

00:55:38.620 It is fucking over. 0.99

00:55:40.800 Like I am telling you this. 0.99

00:55:42.700 I am not saying this out of bitterness.

00:55:45.060 I am just telling you the truth.

00:55:47.200 This is, this is Trump and stuff like, you know, America first is inevitable.

00:55:53.220 We're going to take over the GOP.

00:55:54.900 The GOP is the right-wing workers party.

00:55:57.580 Guys, this is not happening in the next decade or two.

00:56:02.580 And this is a challenge.

00:56:05.220 You have to recognize reality if you're going to transform reality.

00:56:09.280 And our challenge is to begin articulating things in a very new way and a different way

00:56:15.600 than we have in the past.

00:56:16.380 And I think in some ways we've, we're doing this now.

00:56:18.900 We've all, we did this 10 years ago, even, but the challenge is now set for us.

00:56:24.160 And that is what we need to be focused on because all of this, all of this like proxy,

00:56:30.280 you know, you know, our, our movements ultimately about Trump and Trumpism and right-wing populism.

00:56:35.960 And let, let, let, let, we're going to send the illegals home, pack in, guys, over, over. 0.99

00:56:44.240 And, you know, in some ways it's good to be done with it.

00:56:47.380 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:56:50.060 Thank you.

00:56:51.480 Thank you.

00:56:52.420 Thank you.

00:56:53.300 Thank you.

00:56:54.480 Thank you.

00:56:56.580 Thank you.

RadixJournal - January 07, 2021

The 18th Bro-maire

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