RadixJournal - The 2019 UK General Elections

00:00:00.000 Now, what are you asking here? It's perfectly true that I have had some drugs.

00:00:03.640 Have you?

00:00:05.140 Welcome back to the McSpencer Group for December 16th, 2019.

00:00:12.780 First topic, the UK elections.

00:00:16.280 Boris triumphant, old labor, and maybe woke labor, defeated.

00:00:22.440 What does it all mean?

00:00:24.260 And what's going on with those funny hats?

00:00:27.840 Joining me on the panel today are Ed Dutton and Laura Towler.

00:00:33.460 Begin!

00:00:34.780 Hello, everybody. Welcome back. My name is Laura Towler.

00:00:37.740 I am a YouTuber and a writer from England, and today I'm joined by Richard Spencer.

00:00:42.740 Hello, Richard. How are you?

00:00:44.200 I am doing very well. I've just moved across the continent of North America,

00:00:50.360 so I was brain dead for hours driving a truck.

00:00:55.840 And now I've awakened and I want to talk about British politics.

00:01:02.620 Very good. And I'm also joined by Edward Dutton.

00:01:06.440 Hello, Ed. How are you?

00:01:08.380 Hello. Hello, Laura.

00:01:09.540 Yes, well, I'm actually in an extremely happy and chipper mood

00:01:13.300 because of the British politics thing, which Richard just mentioned.

00:01:16.980 So that's where I'm going.

00:01:18.800 I'm not.

00:01:19.420 No, you're not.

00:01:21.460 No, no.

00:01:23.640 So we've got lots of interesting topics to discuss today,

00:01:29.280 including the general election in the United Kingdom, which is the first topic.

00:01:33.080 So on Thursday in Britain, we had a general election, of which the Conservative Party won.

00:01:39.780 The Tories won their largest majority in the House of Commons since the 1987 election under Margaret Thatcher.

00:01:47.040 They took 365 seats in total, an increase of 47 since the 2017 election.

00:01:53.700 But the biggest news, however, was regarding the Labour Party,

00:01:57.580 who had their worst performance since the 1930s, losing 59 seats.

00:02:02.960 And the Red Wall of the North, which has been in position for decades,

00:02:06.840 came tumbling down after white working class communities abandoned Labour in favour of other parties.

00:02:13.240 So, Ed, have you been enjoying the meltdown as much as I have?

00:02:16.280 I had a personal meltdown as a consequence of the meltdown.

00:02:21.640 I was live streaming at the time on The Jolly Heretic, and we tuned in for the result.

00:02:28.880 And we were thinking, at best, at best, it would be a majority of 30 or something like that,

00:02:33.320 and it would cause problems.

00:02:34.520 I remember just watching it and going, yes, 86!

00:02:37.880 And then my colleague becoming ecstatic as well, and Adam Perkins owed him 50 quid because they had a bet.

00:02:44.460 Adam Perkins is an academic in the UK.

00:02:46.280 And, I mean, for those who are Americans who are listening to this, I don't think it's hard to overstate what happened.

00:02:53.120 I mean, we're talking about areas of Yorkshire where Laura's from, northern England that used to have mining

00:02:58.580 and with these working class areas where there's visceral hatred for the Conservative Party.

00:03:04.300 And that got even worse after the closure of Mrs Thatcher closed the mines in 1984 and so on.

00:03:09.920 Absolute loathing for the Conservative Party.

00:03:12.080 I'm told that it was possible, if you listened very carefully on Thursday night, to hear rumblings from graveyards as Laura's great-grandfather and people like that turned into graves.

00:03:21.420 And now the English working class people have expressed the fact that they're not going to be talked down to and sneered at by these people in London that hate them and take them for granted anymore.

00:03:37.020 So I was absolutely thrilled.

00:03:38.300 I was thrilled.

00:03:39.080 I know, I know it's not the change, it's not the end of Kali Yuga, it's not whatever, but it's a lot better than having a powerful Labour Party, which is what we've had until recently, a relatively powerful opposition.

00:03:52.720 Now they are defenestrated.

00:03:55.140 So what were your thoughts as a northern lass, or your thoughts as an American?

00:03:59.360 You go first, Laura, and then I'll jump in.

00:04:03.100 Because you give my totally uninformed outsider perspective on events.

00:04:07.700 So I'm one of these northern working class people that we're talking about, so I'm right in the heartland in these communities.

00:04:14.020 And the way that people are up here are their parents voted Labour, and then their parents voted Labour, and then their parents voted Labour, and then their parents voted Labour.

00:04:21.260 So they kind of feel like they're doing something maybe a bit traitorous by going for the Conservatives.

00:04:26.900 And that's a problem that we've had for all these years, because Labour are obviously so bad, but they have a lot of loyalty to them.

00:04:34.740 And it's not, you know, there's no reason why they do have this loyalty, because they've not done anything for them.

00:04:39.100 It's just family ties.

00:04:40.680 And as Ed said, us northerners hate the Conservatives because of Thatcher shipping all our industries abroad, such as, you know, the shipping industries in the northeast and stuff. 0.89

00:04:48.680 So I'm so happy that white working class people have just finally, like, grown the balls to abandon Labour. 0.99

00:04:56.120 And it's not that we're celebrating that the Conservatives have been voted for. 0.68

00:05:00.120 It's just that that grip has been released for the first time ever.

00:05:04.360 And I don't think the people up here have any loyalty towards the Conservatives.

00:05:08.540 It's not that they, you know, like that party.

00:05:10.640 I imagine that a lot of them held their nose and voted for them.

00:05:13.540 But just the fact that the grip from Labour has finally been released after all these decades,

00:05:17.900 that's what we're celebrating.

00:05:19.360 But you don't seem as optimistic.

00:05:21.400 Is that right?

00:05:23.120 Well, I think the whole thing is very complicated.

00:05:26.100 And so, again, I'm going to give my American uninformed perspective on matters.

00:05:31.820 But I think I will get at some kind of ambiguities or contradictions here.

00:05:37.680 I totally recognize the fact that working class Brits in northern England, et cetera, just on a visceral level loathe people who say wear ascots or, you know, on live streams about politics or, you know, speak with Ed Dutton's accent.

00:05:57.840 I mean, I completely understand this visceral hatred that they have.

00:06:02.880 But so I think there is that residual aspect to it.

00:06:07.720 But I think what's happening in a way, again, this is an American's perspective, but what happened in the United States with the Democrats and the Republicans has been nationalized and in a way internationalized with Britain.

00:06:23.900 So even if you go back to as recently as Bill Clinton in the 1990s, the Democratic Party was 58 percent working class white people.

00:06:35.640 That is, white people who are mostly rural, who don't have a college degree or have half of one or something like that.

00:06:42.700 Those that that that was a kind of labor party backing that has now literally flipped.

00:06:49.240 And those people now make up 58 to 60 percent of the Republican Party.

00:06:54.660 The Republican Party wasn't quite as, say, posh as the Tories, but it it was the party of big business, wealth, the eastern establishment, interestingly.

00:07:07.160 And now it is flipped to the party of working class and middle class white people in middle America.

00:07:15.360 And I see the the same thing happening.

00:07:19.220 The only thing I would say about this, and this does strike me as genuinely ambiguous, is that Jeremy Corbyn, much like Bernie Sanders, is not Tony Blair.

00:07:30.540 And even if he kind of bows to the woke crowd and the London crowd, that's not where his heart is.

00:07:37.360 And I don't think I'm wrong to read both Bernie Sanders, whom I'm I'm not I don't have a visceral hatred of, to be honest, in the way that I dislike Elizabeth Warren and some other of these people, that their heart is in a kind of little England working class nationalism.

00:07:56.640 And to be honest, it was the Tories who supported things like going into the European Union and and et cetera.

00:08:05.740 And it was actually the the the real Labour Party that that which that should support things like Brexit.

00:08:13.640 I noted these two tweets, which these are obviously anecdotal, but I think they say a lot that were put out by each party.

00:08:22.700 The Labour Party put out a black and white photo of white children and they and they said, vote for your future.

00:08:30.040 And there was something you could say kind of nostalgic about it, something mid-century about that kind of sentiment.

00:08:38.900 And what did the conservatives tweet out on the election day?

00:08:43.240 They treated out a grotesque image of this black man and a white woman lying in bed, you know, just excited about voting conservative.

00:08:53.980 And I you know, you shouldn't read too much into tweets, but I think these are actually telling of of of of let's say impulses within the party.

00:09:03.920 The conservatives are a globalist party. The people who support Brexit or the least the leaders of Brexit, not the people who voted for it, are globalists.

00:09:13.920 They want they understand the Britain as, you know, being a global sea power.

00:09:21.060 I think the people who voted for Brexit did it for immigration, like no question.

00:09:24.940 So I think they had very good instincts. But the people, the ideologues behind it, Farage and all these other terrible people are absolute free market, Thatcherite globalists.

00:09:35.940 And there seemed to be an impulse within Corbyn to go back to that old labor, which I actually find I find a lot of virtues in it.

00:09:44.700 Even though I don't come from a working class background, I really get where they're coming from. 1.00

00:09:50.420 And I think there's some positive aspects to that. Corbyn was, at least to the degree that I understand it, he was relatively silent, maybe a little bit ambiguous about Brexit.

00:10:00.580 He said, I respect the vote. He was not a, you know, vitriolic vocal remainer.

00:10:08.580 And I actually, I have heard the rumor that he is a closet Brexit supporter, as he should be as a kind of retro leftist.

00:10:17.780 Yes. Go ahead, Ed.

00:10:21.940 Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with with a fair amount of that.

00:10:26.620 I mean, one of the one of the issues that struck me is that both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are coalitions of different views and they and they shift over time and so on.

00:10:37.040 And so the Conservative Party does have this element of nationalism within it and whatever.

00:10:43.380 And indeed, when I was a member, an active member of the Conservative Party, when I was a teenager, a lot of people in the Conservative Party openly voted UKIP.

00:10:50.320 But I'm talking senior officers within the local Conservative Association.

00:10:53.360 So there's this nationalist kind of English nationalism, remnant English nationalism that's there.

00:10:58.540 On the other hand, yeah, you do have these kind of big business people that just want to make money.

00:11:01.700 And their attitude is that a Conservative government will not tax them very much and will free them up to do that.

00:11:07.240 And similarly, with the Labour Party, you have this coalition.

00:11:09.840 I think the big if I was to simplify it immensely, even if you go back to the 60s or whatever, you've got the people who were in the upper class who were the kind of virtue signalers of their day.

00:11:20.460 The Clement Attlee's, the Hugh Gates guilds, people like that, who went to public school and Oxford and Cambridge University and who never did a day's work in their life and those those kinds of people.

00:11:30.340 And that was very much the Blairite ascendancy, those kinds of people.

00:11:34.220 And then you've got increasingly, of course, the just the immigrants and particularly the Muslim viewpoint.

00:11:39.300 The Hindus seem to be more inclined towards the Conservative Party because they do better. 0.94

00:11:42.740 They have about the same IQ as English people and they just do quite well.

00:11:46.480 The Muslims seem to be more inclined towards Labour.

00:11:48.460 And then you've got what has been massively expunged from the party, really.

00:11:52.840 But when I was a child, a lot of these people that were in the Labour Party and were MPs were just trade unionists.

00:11:57.980 They were just they were just working class people, but they were born in Yorkshire or Wales or whatever in working class families.

00:12:05.160 What the Labour Party was doing was promoting their interests, literally their genetic interests, their family's interests, the interests of the areas in which they lived.

00:12:13.860 So there was a strong kind of practicality to that.

00:12:16.480 And it's that that practicality that kind of that kind of went that these these people who were who were working class, who were reasonably intelligent, I suppose, because of what was brought in under Attlee or whatever, a more a more kind of egalitarian society, whether you've got grammar schools and things like this, kind of moved up and to being middle class, really.

00:12:37.940 And consequently, there was very few working class people left in the in the Labour movement.

00:12:42.400 And so and then Labour started to just look with contempt, really, upon upon working class people.

00:12:48.880 It started to see them as the whole culture of them.

00:12:51.200 I mean, in the 1980s, you have wrestling.

00:12:53.440 I talk about British wrestling here on television.

00:12:56.000 And you had the kind of the kind of men that did comedy in working men's clubs up north.

00:13:00.540 They would be on television doing comedy.

00:13:02.480 And this was all removed.

00:13:03.740 This all went in favour of the the left wing, privately educated sort of sort of people.

00:13:08.380 They completely took over the party and indeed the culture of society in a lot of ways.

00:13:13.740 And I just ignored and held in contempt and looked down on and seen as the white van man.

00:13:21.780 There was the woman that's the shadow of foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry. 0.84

00:13:25.580 Is that her name?

00:13:26.100 Thornberry?

00:13:27.200 Yeah.

00:13:27.820 Lady, Lady Noogie.

00:13:29.760 She tweeted this.

00:13:32.020 She tweeted this image of a white van to sort of just show her contempt for the working class.

00:13:36.380 And so they they hold them in contempt.

00:13:38.540 But I think, as Laura said, the because of what Labour did for the working class in England,

00:13:44.680 brought in the health service.

00:13:46.000 I mean, it's hard to remember how poor some people were in England in the 40s.

00:13:51.240 When the health service was opened up, you'd have women that had hernias that have been holding, 0.98

00:13:55.840 holding them in place with with sort of bits of cloth for years.

00:14:00.360 And then finally, they didn't have to pay to go to a doctor.

00:14:02.620 And so they went and got it sorted out.

00:14:03.960 I mean, the level of poverty was people didn't put underpants on people in those days.

00:14:08.560 I mean, the level of poverty was was was considerable.

00:14:11.640 And there's a strong loyalty to Labour because of them dealing with that.

00:14:15.320 And it takes something very big for that to be flipped.

00:14:19.220 It takes the feeling to finally sink in that they are held in contempt, that what they think is a good idea is held in contempt.

00:14:27.140 Their views are held in contempt.

00:14:29.320 Everything they want out of life is held in contempt.

00:14:31.700 It takes that to it takes a long time.

00:14:35.260 And I think hopefully that is happening now.

00:14:38.700 Finally, it's sinking in.

00:14:40.500 And their values, the values of the English working class people are conservative values.

00:14:44.660 But but but wasn't Corbyn similar to Bernie Sanders?

00:14:49.580 Because I don't everyone's making this parallel for good reason.

00:14:54.760 Wasn't what weren't his instincts to get back to that type of party as opposed to the Blairite party?

00:15:02.880 I mean, the Blairite party was a neo, you know, what is it?

00:15:07.340 What was it called again?

00:15:09.360 Neo Britannia or cool Britannia or whatever.

00:15:13.120 That was a globalist, Americanized shopping mall society that he was imagining.

00:15:19.020 That was new labor. 0.96

00:15:20.160 It seemed like Corbyn, despite the fact that he all this had all this woke, you know, multiculti nonsense going on.

00:15:27.260 His his impulse was to return to that.

00:15:30.380 And and yet again, the narrative is that Corbyn was the problem.

00:15:36.200 I think I will.

00:15:39.600 Sorry, go ahead.

00:15:40.680 Well, I was just going to say, I mean, if we if we look at just the economic policies, as a working class person myself, I can say that that Corbyn is better for me.

00:15:48.960 You know, the conservatives don't represent me and my family and the people who live around me.

00:15:52.740 But it's the the cultural policies, which are just so strong that they're just they just take up all the space, you know, all the dialogue on TV and stuff.

00:16:01.780 And they just take your attention away from the good stuff that he is saying.

00:16:05.860 I mean, he wants to, you know, the post office, he wants to deprivatize and things like that.

00:16:10.940 You know, there are lots of good stuff that would that would help us.

00:16:13.560 But then you have policies like making illegals, giving them, giving them all amnesty and giving them the same rights as us.

00:16:20.860 And then he wants to create safe routes from the Mediterranean to Britain.

00:16:24.740 And then people can obviously seek asylum.

00:16:27.320 But if they don't get asylum, then they have the same rights as us anyway and they can vote.

00:16:31.560 He also wants to teach British children about colonialism and slavery.

00:16:36.480 And we know what that's going to be.

00:16:37.780 That's going to be you're British and you should feel bad for being British. 1.00

00:16:41.320 We should teach them about imperialism.

00:16:43.520 But we should teach them the truth.

00:16:45.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:46.660 The truth.

00:16:47.280 It's good.

00:16:47.860 We need to stop, as I've said.

00:16:50.180 But the other thing about, as I agree with the one, the other thing is that it has to be.

00:16:53.280 OK, so that cultural stuff, that cultural indoctrination that is a worry, that that kind of making working class English people feel that they're just, you know, their culture is bad and they should feel ashamed and all this kind of thing.

00:17:05.840 That culture war, you can guarantee that they'll do that.

00:17:09.280 But Labour are so financially incompetent and they always are.

00:17:12.620 Always the Conservatives get voted to clear up the financial mess that Labour have made.

00:17:16.100 That's how British politics seems to work.

00:17:17.860 The country gets rich and then it gets decadent and then it votes Labour, apart from after the war.

00:17:22.320 But otherwise, otherwise, that seems to be the process.

00:17:25.340 And and and he you've got no guarantee that he'd be able to do these things that sound wonderful, like having free Internet for everybody and the health service being wonderful.

00:17:35.140 He probably wouldn't be able to do those things because because he would flee the country.

00:17:40.960 Businesses would get out.

00:17:42.160 People would have the country become poorer.

00:17:44.660 There'd be less tax money.

00:17:45.940 And so you probably wouldn't be able to do those things.

00:17:47.760 And so what you can guarantee if he gets elected is that he'll do things that are bad for the British working class and that are bad for their culture and their genetic interests and the things that are good.

00:17:57.620 OK, yeah, his heart's in the right place.

00:17:59.280 Perhaps you could argue if you're being charitable and he wants to do those things, but he probably won't be able to do them.

00:18:04.280 And I think I think that a lot of people kind of kind of realise that.

00:18:07.120 And also there was just this fundamental kind of fair play dimension that Brexit has been voted for and the English people voted for Brexit and should have Brexit.

00:18:14.820 And it was obvious that he that he wouldn't deliver it.

00:18:17.420 No matter if he is Eurosceptic, he may be.

00:18:19.980 I mean, the Labour until the early 80s were more Eurosceptic than the Conservatives.

00:18:24.700 And you had Tony Benn and Peter Shaw and people like this that were campaigning to get out of the European Union.

00:18:29.980 But and but but that's that flipped when they realised that the EU was a way of bringing in lots of sort of socialist type type policies.

00:18:39.080 And then it kind of reversed. But I don't think he'd be able to do those things.

00:18:43.200 I think people knew he wouldn't be able to do those things.

00:18:45.400 And it has to be understood that he had with him these appalling, nasty, spiteful people in his band, such as Diane Abbott, who couldn't even wear two shoes from the same pair on the election.

00:18:55.340 And I will admit that I actually did that the other day.

00:19:01.760 So I cannot criticise Diane Abbott on her shoe policy.

00:19:07.480 I'm nothing if not fair.

00:19:10.860 Corbyn's economic policies would be good if they came with nationalism, but he wants those policies to be available for the whole world.

00:19:20.620 And it's probably worth talking about the reasons why the northern working class have abandoned Labour.

00:19:26.340 And I don't know if you've been following this in the States, Richard, but one of the key reasons has been the grooming gangs and the cover up by Labour and how they just they haven't apologised for it.

00:19:35.720 You know, all the people who were involved are still in positions of power.

00:19:39.060 And I don't know if the stories have reached America, but people up north are just sick of that as well.

00:19:45.520 Do you have any any thoughts on that?

00:19:46.980 Yeah, I'm sure the only thing I would go ahead, Ed.

00:19:52.400 Go ahead.

00:19:54.160 So I was going to say that was an example of the degree to which they their ideology and their multiculturalism and allows them to hold the working class in contempt as far as they were concerned.

00:20:05.260 So what?

00:20:06.000 Who cares what happens to these people?

00:20:07.480 All these chabs with with their baseball hats and their and their oven ready chips and the and the fast food and their obesity. 1.00

00:20:14.740 Who cares?

00:20:16.140 It's almost it's almost it's almost like the the the they are a sacrifice.

00:20:20.600 They are swinging for England, as they used to say, those that were wrongly hanged for things.

00:20:24.700 It's for the greater good that this shouldn't be.

00:20:27.500 This should be suppressed so that multiculturalism can flourish. 1.00

00:20:29.720 And I think this is a big problem within the left that isn't exactly rearing its head, but but but it will right now.

00:20:40.300 And I think it will ultimately divide them in the sense of the woke politics of personal liberation and everyone, you know, I there was this silly movie called Team America World Police where there is a song.

00:20:57.060 So we all everyone has AIDS.

00:20:59.040 We all have AIDS. 1.00

00:21:00.040 Your dog has AIDS. 0.99

00:21:01.100 Yeah, that is basically wokeness. 0.99

00:21:02.680 We all have AIDS.

00:21:03.640 And there's there's that on the other hand.

00:21:07.400 And then there's this kind of retro mid-century social democracy on the other, which are both actually ascendant in the Democratic Party in the United States.

00:21:17.320 Four years ago or let's say eight years ago, if you mentioned Medicare for all in a Democratic debate, people would just poo poo you, laugh you, say, get out of here.

00:21:27.980 You're a socialist.

00:21:28.800 We don't do that in America.

00:21:30.400 Now it is it is actually reversed.

00:21:32.580 That debate has been won by a kind of ascendant social democratic force in the sense that if you oppose Medicare for all, you are a boring old white man who who is constantly saying, how are we going to pay for it?

00:21:44.880 So that kind of mid-century social democracy retro left is ascendant.

00:21:50.460 But at the same time, we know what is also ascendant.

00:21:53.720 I mean, Barack Obama opposed gay marriage at this point with among Democratic candidates in the United States. 0.96

00:22:00.280 If you are against, like, literally government-funded sex change operations for six-year-olds, you are a Nazi.

00:22:11.260 And these two things really are opposed.

00:22:15.060 I think conservatives like to just talk about the left as if it's this monolith.

00:22:19.840 But these two things really are opposed.

00:22:21.940 And I ultimately think wokeness will win.

00:22:25.760 Wokeness will win in the hearts of voters in the sense that it is so toxic or, on the other hand, so kind of irresistible to some people that that is the – that cultural force is the dominant force.

00:22:40.720 And I'm afraid, even though I have a great deal of sympathy towards, say, mid-century social democracy, the likes of which was supported by Corbyn and Sanders, I don't think that will win out.

00:22:55.800 I think that will ultimately be overwhelmed by the woke crowd, the woke crowd that is embraced by corporate America.

00:23:02.440 Indeed, they were embraced by major corporations before they were embraced by the Democratic Party.

00:23:09.880 So I think there's – there is a – I don't know.

00:23:12.360 There's some real strong big fissures in the left that I think are kind of coming into play.

00:23:20.120 I hope – sorry, I hope the woke crowd wins because it's the woke crowd that is the turnoff to decent English or American working class white people.

00:23:32.980 So I really, really hope they win.

00:23:35.780 If it's the sort of a socialism without the wokeness that wins, then, well, you're going to get just a less free country and people will pay the price.

00:23:44.020 People will be happy to pay that price as they were in England in the 40s.

00:23:47.040 I mean, one of the reasons why I think that the health – well, Tony Benn argued this, who was a British, very left-wing politician, deputy leader of the Labour Party, I think he was.

00:23:55.300 And he argued this.

00:23:56.400 After the war, there was this bonding.

00:23:59.020 The war, the Second World War, had this bonding effect and it had this levelling effect.

00:24:03.520 And so people had this feeling of solidarity and this continued into the peace.

00:24:08.100 And so, consequently, they voted Labour.

00:24:10.740 Well, that's one of the reasons they voted Labour.

00:24:12.180 Also, there hadn't been an election for 10 years and whatever.

00:24:15.060 And so that was – socialism came in and it was completely unquestioned, really, until Thatcher.

00:24:21.940 It was just there.

00:24:23.860 So that was – I don't think that would happen now because what underpins that is this sense of trust.

00:24:28.740 This develops in a context in which the country was completely English or British,

00:24:34.380 in which social differences were much smaller than they are now in terms of the difference between the richest and the poorest,

00:24:41.500 in which there wasn't as much of a divided upper class. 0.94

00:24:45.020 Now you have a divided – as Peter Turchin argues in his research, there's more of a divided elite.

00:24:49.340 You've got all this overpromotion and all these overqualified people.

00:24:52.640 And so, therefore, you have competition within the elite for a set number of places.

00:24:56.260 And this creates conflict even within the elite.

00:24:59.060 And all of these things which would predict a harmonious society have sort of broken down.

00:25:05.140 And so I don't think –

00:25:05.940 The tragedy of it all is that what the white race needs right now is mid-century social democracy. 0.95

00:25:14.800 And I have to be honest, during my own intellectual trajectory within that,

00:25:20.360 I don't think I would have said this 10 years ago.

00:25:22.240 I think I still had some libertarian hang-ups rattling around in my brain 10 years ago.

00:25:27.900 But I would absolutely say this now.

00:25:29.580 The concept of the white death, which people associated with the opioid crisis,

00:25:37.000 more people die in a year of the opioid crisis than died during the Vietnam War.

00:25:43.060 And this is a rural, largely white – not entirely white – problem.

00:25:48.680 People are sleeping more.

00:25:50.920 People are more in debt.

00:25:52.600 People are watching more television or the digital equivalent more.

00:25:58.120 People have more tattoos.

00:26:00.060 People are consuming a lot of alcohol.

00:26:03.600 The white race actually would benefit tremendously from Medicare for all, 0.96

00:26:11.300 from perhaps a UBI-type plan and so on.

00:26:14.260 And what I find so tragic is that these people whose instincts are solid,

00:26:20.840 they reject the woke left and they go right into the hands of big business corporate conservatives

00:26:31.280 who won't ultimately do anything for them except, you know, vague – you know,

00:26:36.760 kind of race bait or vaguely insinuate that they are for the people or tweet about, you know,

00:26:44.160 American nationalism or something like this, you know, a la Trump.

00:26:47.740 It really is tragic.

00:26:49.600 I'm not 100 percent sure about that.

00:26:51.000 I think if you talk to a lot of English working class people – I know this is mainly the American channel,

00:26:54.980 but a lot of English working class people are very grateful to Mrs. Thatcher.

00:26:59.820 People who are working class don't necessarily want to be working class.

00:27:02.640 They are working class.

00:27:03.960 Their values are based around making money more so than, you know, being educated or whatever.

00:27:09.100 They want to make money.

00:27:10.320 They don't want to be poor.

00:27:11.560 And one of the things that Mrs. Thatcher did for them was he sold them their council houses.

00:27:15.640 Well, that's one of the things that nobody else would.

00:27:17.800 The Labour Party wouldn't do that.

00:27:18.940 The Labour Party wouldn't sell them their council houses because the Labour Party wanted a client state

00:27:22.560 and they could control them if they owned their properties and if they were basically needed.

00:27:30.340 They needed a Labour government.

00:27:32.000 Mrs. Thatcher sold them their council houses and this kind of allowed them to have money, really,

00:27:36.720 for the first time because these council houses were suddenly a tremendous asset. 0.91

00:27:39.700 I mean, my grandfather bought his council house in the late 80s or something

00:27:43.840 and he didn't buy it at first because he was a bit left-wing

00:27:46.120 and he took the view that, no, these are people who can't afford to buy houses

00:27:49.000 and you shouldn't buy a council house.

00:27:50.320 But his neighbour bought his council house and so then he did. 0.95

00:27:53.340 He bought his council house in 1988 or something, 89, for £6,000

00:27:57.680 and that council house is now worth £250,000.

00:28:01.920 I mean, it's a substantial asset.

00:28:05.740 And so I don't think it's true to say that, oh, they don't do anything for working class people.

00:28:09.360 You could argue that they make the whole country richer

00:28:12.120 and that benefits everybody, including people who are working class.

00:28:18.320 I don't believe that.

00:28:20.980 Wealth inequality is tremendous.

00:28:24.120 It's not like the city of London, you know,

00:28:26.600 all this money flowing through that place is all trickling down to people.

00:28:30.260 I mean, I...

00:28:31.100 If you go back to the 70s, you've still got boys that went to school,

00:28:34.960 children that went to school without underwear

00:28:36.420 because their parents couldn't afford underwear.

00:28:38.920 And that's, you know, no longer...

00:28:40.840 I mean, people definitely got richer

00:28:42.520 and it's not as a consequence of socialism that they've got richer.

00:28:46.040 OK, it's true that wealth inequality, relative inequality,

00:28:49.600 does lead to resentment and negativity.

00:28:52.580 And that is true.

00:28:53.640 And so there has to be a balance struck between simple Thatcherite ideas 1.00

00:28:58.920 of just wealth and everyone should be rich and that's that.

00:29:02.400 And I do agree with that.

00:29:03.800 But I don't think it's true that they do nothing for the working class.

00:29:07.320 That's not quite...

00:29:08.640 I wouldn't quite put it like as simply as that.

00:29:10.520 So we've got a rather powerful Conservative government

00:29:15.460 for the next five years now.

00:29:17.120 We've obviously had the Tories in power for the last nine years.

00:29:20.080 We've had record levels of immigration.

00:29:22.820 We've had record levels of indoctrination in British schools.

00:29:26.400 We've had, you know, our identity.

00:29:28.500 What does it mean to be British?

00:29:29.520 English broken down.

00:29:31.040 They've been giving children hormone blockers

00:29:33.520 so that they can't reach puberty.

00:29:35.660 You know, the LGBT stuff has just gone crazy. 1.00

00:29:37.620 So what are you expecting over the next five years

00:29:40.180 from the Conservatives?

00:29:43.760 More of that, basically.

00:29:46.340 More of the same.

00:29:48.040 Overseeing the decline of civilization.

00:29:50.780 I mean, actually, Enoch Powell said something powerful

00:29:55.680 where he said that the Tories both wanted to benefit

00:29:59.960 from the anxiety and rage induced by mass immigration

00:30:04.640 while ultimately not doing anything about it.

00:30:07.260 And I think that was the best description of Republicans,

00:30:11.360 of Tories, of all of these so-called Conservative parties

00:30:15.080 around the West.

00:30:16.140 They will ultimately benefit from these problems

00:30:19.740 because these problems of mass immigration,

00:30:23.940 social atomization, et cetera, cultural wokeness,

00:30:27.540 they create intensity.

00:30:29.720 They create polarization.

00:30:31.000 I'm not saying that it's a good thing.

00:30:35.160 It's brilliant to have a conservative government.

00:30:37.320 It's just brilliant by comparison

00:30:39.320 to what the alternative was,

00:30:42.400 which was, you say, there's this theory that,

00:30:45.660 oh, well...

00:30:46.060 Maybe we should go full woke and see what happens.

00:30:48.160 Let them go full woke,

00:30:49.620 and then hopefully it will provoke a reaction.

00:30:51.540 Right.

00:30:52.400 Maybe.

00:30:52.920 But the problem with that is that

00:30:54.420 if you're not in control of the situation,

00:30:56.500 then you can't be sure what's going to happen.

00:30:58.220 We discussed this on my own show.

00:30:59.400 We can't know how bad it'll get.

00:31:02.000 And so it's a very, very substantial risk to take.

00:31:04.840 And so that's why it is preferable

00:31:08.380 that the Conservatives are in power.

00:31:09.940 And as I said when we were discussing this

00:31:11.120 the other day, Richard,

00:31:11.980 it's stamped on my memory.

00:31:13.700 I couldn't believe it when I was brought up to think,

00:31:16.060 oh, you know,

00:31:16.460 we used to say this phrase in England.

00:31:18.200 You'd say something like,

00:31:19.200 sorry, is anyone sitting there?

00:31:20.380 And you go, it's a free country.

00:31:21.660 Now, no one can say something like that anymore.

00:31:25.500 Who really thinks Britain's a free country now?

00:31:27.720 You used to say it as a phrase.

00:31:28.780 You'd say, sorry, do you mind if I sit there?

00:31:30.340 It's a free country.

00:31:31.020 That was a phrase used.

00:31:32.420 No one.

00:31:32.860 Why would you say that now?

00:31:34.760 I have to say,

00:31:36.080 Britain, on these levels of just personal freedom,

00:31:40.440 I don't mean this to be insulting.

00:31:43.080 I think Britain is far worse than the United States.

00:31:46.320 In terms of surveillance,

00:31:48.160 arresting people for social media posts.

00:31:50.280 I mean, it is actually leading the way,

00:31:53.160 whereas usually it's America, it's the worst.

00:31:55.200 It's appalling.

00:31:56.300 And it was that very much,

00:31:58.020 it was new Labour coming into power

00:31:59.540 and there was all this enthusiasm.

00:32:00.960 I was 16 years old.

00:32:02.600 I remember it very well.

00:32:03.580 And Jack Straw, who was the Home Secretary,

00:32:05.960 saying they were going to bring in laws

00:32:07.260 so that if you committed a crime

00:32:10.080 and it was motivated by race,

00:32:13.260 then that would make it a worse crime.

00:32:15.360 And his words were,

00:32:16.140 to express society's repugnance,

00:32:18.140 that was the word he used,

00:32:19.040 that you should act, you know.

00:32:20.480 And I thought, good God, hang on a minute.

00:32:22.840 And then they got rid of habeas corpus,

00:32:24.940 which means that they can try you

00:32:26.220 for the same crime again and again and again and again.

00:32:28.760 It's a basic protection

00:32:29.920 against a dictatorial regime,

00:32:31.700 habeas corpus.

00:32:32.800 And they got rid of it

00:32:33.800 on the emotional grounds

00:32:35.980 of this Stephen Lawrence murder

00:32:37.480 that took place in the early 90s

00:32:38.920 and the police messed up the investigation.

00:32:40.740 So they got rid of it.

00:32:41.920 I mean, it was,

00:32:42.940 the country became very considerably less free.

00:32:45.800 And unfortunately,

00:32:47.480 the conservatives haven't really done very much

00:32:49.040 to reverse that.

00:32:50.460 So there is this interesting division

00:32:52.460 that's taking place, I think.

00:32:53.900 This polarisation,

00:32:55.400 as Peter Turkin has argued,

00:32:57.180 where on the one hand,

00:32:58.820 as you said, Laura,

00:32:59.660 under the conservatives,

00:33:00.660 yeah,

00:33:01.080 the wokeness in the schools

00:33:03.180 and the indoctrination

00:33:04.180 and the complete takeover

00:33:05.820 of the BBC

00:33:07.060 and the organs of the state,

00:33:08.940 the teaching profession

00:33:10.080 and all this,

00:33:10.860 by just this insanity.

00:33:12.060 That's one thing that happened.

00:33:14.520 But the other thing

00:33:15.000 that you would expect to happen

00:33:16.200 in a breakdown of society

00:33:17.800 into polarisation

00:33:18.660 is that another group

00:33:20.760 within the society

00:33:21.440 would go more the other way.

00:33:23.680 And that polarisation

00:33:24.580 is definitely happening

00:33:25.580 because the social prominence

00:33:27.020 of the right,

00:33:28.620 what 20 years ago

00:33:30.080 were utterly extreme

00:33:31.280 out there views

00:33:31.920 published in magazines

00:33:32.780 read by 200 people,

00:33:34.800 have as a consequence

00:33:35.680 of the internet

00:33:36.260 and other factors as well,

00:33:37.600 I mean,

00:33:38.200 views which were totally out there

00:33:39.820 20 years ago

00:33:40.560 were now published

00:33:41.480 in the Daily Mail,

00:33:42.280 for example,

00:33:42.840 totally incomprehensible

00:33:44.740 that you wouldn't dare

00:33:45.500 speak in a public place.

00:33:47.040 And so it's this polarisation.

00:33:49.360 Unfortunately,

00:33:49.740 in terms of that polarisation,

00:33:51.080 it is the left still

00:33:51.960 that have the cultural power

00:33:53.120 in the universities,

00:33:54.940 in the schools,

00:33:56.400 particularly with all

00:33:57.060 these female teachers 1.00

00:33:58.020 who are woke

00:33:58.820 and indoctrinated

00:33:59.620 and they're assorted,

00:34:01.860 you know,

00:34:02.280 let's bring drag queens 1.00

00:34:03.460 into school

00:34:04.060 to tell six-year-olds

00:34:05.180 it's OK to be a transsexual

00:34:06.500 or whatever.

00:34:07.020 But then there's

00:34:09.540 this other movement.

00:34:11.060 I mean,

00:34:11.300 if Turkin is right,

00:34:12.300 what it should culminate

00:34:13.060 is a kind of war.

00:34:15.200 That's what he would predict.

00:34:18.180 I mean,

00:34:18.540 it's extraordinary to think...

00:34:19.340 People are talking about this.

00:34:20.420 I mean,

00:34:20.600 I find it quite tragic.

00:34:23.620 I've seen a lot of this

00:34:25.060 on liberal YouTube

00:34:27.280 and liberal Twitter.

00:34:29.220 They're interviewing

00:34:30.540 Trump supporters

00:34:32.320 who are going to his rallies.

00:34:33.580 And, I mean,

00:34:34.560 people like me

00:34:35.640 were obviously

00:34:36.480 overly enthused

00:34:37.700 about Trump

00:34:38.280 a few years ago.

00:34:39.300 Now we're, you know,

00:34:40.320 bitter and critical

00:34:41.060 and all this kind of stuff.

00:34:41.980 But there are...

00:34:43.640 There is a working-class

00:34:45.180 support of Trump supporters

00:34:46.560 who are openly talking

00:34:48.100 about civil war

00:34:49.160 and so on.

00:34:50.140 And I don't think

00:34:51.120 anything like that

00:34:52.520 is going to happen.

00:34:53.860 But just the fact

00:34:55.420 that they are

00:34:56.880 voicing these concerns

00:34:58.800 is...

00:35:01.380 Well,

00:35:01.940 it's significant

00:35:02.840 at the very least.

00:35:04.300 It's alarming,

00:35:05.360 you could say.

00:35:05.980 But it demonstrates

00:35:07.180 how they feel

00:35:08.540 about these things.

00:35:09.580 Polarization has almost

00:35:10.540 become a race.

00:35:12.100 But it's almost...

00:35:13.100 I mean...

00:35:13.420 And the Republican Party

00:35:15.000 is 90% white.

00:35:16.220 I mean,

00:35:16.380 it's the middle,

00:35:17.120 lower class

00:35:17.760 white people's party

00:35:20.260 in everything but name.

00:35:21.680 But it's almost like

00:35:23.340 political partisan divides

00:35:25.440 have become racial

00:35:27.220 in the sense that

00:35:29.140 these partisan divides

00:35:30.320 are as impactful

00:35:31.520 as race is.

00:35:32.960 I actually don't find

00:35:34.500 it to be a

00:35:35.280 positive development.

00:35:37.360 I find it quite...

00:35:38.020 It's not surprising,

00:35:39.000 though.

00:35:39.180 People tend to assault

00:35:40.660 along genetic lines,

00:35:42.360 both within race

00:35:43.340 and between races.

00:35:44.820 Right.

00:35:44.960 And you'll get...

00:35:45.480 And of course,

00:35:46.020 there's variation in that.

00:35:47.640 I mean,

00:35:47.800 people will perceive

00:35:50.200 there to...

00:35:50.920 I mean,

00:35:51.040 let's say,

00:35:51.420 for example,

00:35:51.740 England was invaded

00:35:52.520 by Danish people.

00:35:53.680 Well,

00:35:53.860 a few Danish people,

00:35:54.780 it might be some benefit

00:35:55.820 because there might be

00:35:57.020 some doctor who's amazing

00:35:58.140 and his contribution

00:36:00.760 outweighs the negative

00:36:03.020 of his genetic interference.

00:36:05.800 But if it's too many,

00:36:06.720 then of course,

00:36:07.140 it's worth taking up

00:36:07.940 for arms or whatever.

00:36:09.080 And you have that same balance

00:36:10.180 and you're always going

00:36:10.700 to get some people.

00:36:11.460 That's why trust collapses

00:36:12.880 that Putnam found

00:36:13.740 in multicultural communities.

00:36:15.220 You're always going

00:36:15.720 to get some of the natives 0.97

00:36:16.800 who will collaborate

00:36:17.620 with the outsiders

00:36:18.580 to promote their own

00:36:19.580 individual interests

00:36:20.720 against the group interests

00:36:21.740 because we operate

00:36:22.300 in terms of group selection,

00:36:23.780 operate in terms

00:36:24.300 of individual selection

00:36:25.120 and whatever.

00:36:25.920 So you're always going

00:36:26.860 to get that.

00:36:27.640 And what you would be

00:36:28.500 perfectly logical to expect

00:36:29.720 as society polarizes

00:36:31.400 is you're going to get

00:36:31.980 basically a white

00:36:32.740 Republican party

00:36:33.680 and a conservative party

00:36:36.820 in the UK

00:36:37.300 that's maybe white

00:36:38.200 plus Hindu

00:36:39.480 or plus Jewish

00:36:40.720 or something like that.

00:36:41.900 And then a Labour party

00:36:43.340 of basically white collaborators

00:36:44.840 and Muslims

00:36:45.960 and perhaps some black people.

00:36:49.140 That is a perfectly

00:36:50.360 logical scenario

00:36:51.760 based on the research

00:36:52.660 on genetic similarity theory.

00:36:54.000 It's not something

00:36:54.880 that would be surprising at all.

00:36:55.800 And as this piece

00:36:57.860 that I actually

00:36:58.440 just posted this morning

00:36:59.780 discusses,

00:37:01.860 the white race 0.92

00:37:02.980 is being divided

00:37:04.520 and polarized

00:37:05.960 between people

00:37:08.200 who resonate

00:37:09.340 with, you know,

00:37:11.620 vague conservatism

00:37:13.740 and a new class

00:37:17.480 of people

00:37:18.020 who are, to be frank,

00:37:19.240 wealthier,

00:37:20.160 living in the suburbs

00:37:21.100 and more culturally impactful,

00:37:23.440 people who don't

00:37:24.720 and actually view

00:37:25.860 white working class people

00:37:27.080 as the enemy. 0.88

00:37:30.160 And again,

00:37:31.600 it's not just,

00:37:33.320 I mean,

00:37:33.660 you can even say

00:37:34.380 that this polarization

00:37:35.100 is on genetic lines

00:37:36.480 in a way.

00:37:37.120 I mean,

00:37:37.340 these are different types

00:37:39.100 of white people,

00:37:39.880 but...

00:37:40.500 and they almost,

00:37:42.600 I mean,

00:37:42.900 the social class

00:37:43.620 in England...

00:37:43.920 I don't see this

00:37:44.260 as positive.

00:37:45.340 I mean...

00:37:45.840 There was a study

00:37:46.840 in 1989,

00:37:47.820 I think it was,

00:37:48.400 that found that

00:37:49.000 there are differences

00:37:50.500 in blood type

00:37:51.500 within...

00:37:52.840 So if you divide England

00:37:54.100 into five social groups,

00:37:55.580 one, two, three, four, five,

00:37:56.660 and it was something like

00:37:57.780 30% of the group

00:37:59.800 at the bottom of society

00:38:00.700 have a five,

00:38:01.720 have a particular blood type,

00:38:02.760 but it's 43% of those...

00:38:03.780 Which one was it?

00:38:04.500 Oh, I forget.

00:38:05.840 I have to check.

00:38:06.640 I forget which it was.

00:38:07.460 I'm one of these

00:38:08.340 Asiatic hordes 1.00

00:38:11.200 from the steppes.

00:38:12.120 I'm blood type B.

00:38:13.980 Are you?

00:38:14.880 Yes.

00:38:16.080 So we move on.

00:38:17.580 No surprise to anyone.

RadixJournal - December 16, 2019

The 2019 UK General Elections

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