On this episode of The Spencer Report, host Alex Blumberg and co-host Nick Blevins discuss the latest on QAnon and the future of the conspiracy theories surrounding it. They also discuss why they don t think Joe Biden is going to get re-elected in 2020.
00:00:17.640Donald Trump went out with both a whimper and a bang.
00:00:21.280And after January 6th, the Trump brand is at the level of dog food.
00:00:26.380His once loyal allies are scattering and giving him the cold shoulder.
00:00:31.780Joe Biden, on the other hand, is at an all-time high for the time being.
00:00:37.060What does his myriad of actions in his first day of office say about his attempts to restore the boring Obama years, or even more boring, the 1990s?
00:00:47.220And might Sleepy Joe's failures open up space for a populist revival?
00:00:51.900Do you think that Biden is right and things are going to slow down?
00:00:58.420Like, the temperature is going to be lowered a little bit.
00:01:03.380I mean, I don't know where this can go from here.
00:01:06.240When they had the inauguration, there was nothing really going on.
00:01:09.880There was supposed to, you know, the FBI had said, oh, there's going to be these rallies in all these 50 states, all these armed marches on state capitals.
00:01:17.040They had the state capitals here in Montgomery blocked off and everything, expecting that.
00:02:45.680I've, you know, eagerly been visiting Vox Day's website every day for at least a week, you know, waiting up to the big reveal at noon.
00:02:54.580I can't believe we were ever had anything to do with that guy.
00:03:00.400Yeah, I mean, because back in 2015 and 2016, like, I went on his podcast.
00:03:05.060I think I might have had him on mine, and it was all, like, pro-Trump and, you know, I don't know, Gamergate maybe and whatever.
00:03:15.480And, I mean, I have to say I really have a very strong antipathy towards people who are either lying con artist or clearly mentally ill.
00:03:26.100Like, I just don't want to be around to them.
00:03:28.040I can't – I look back at some of these – I look back at some of these people, and I'm like, I don't want to be in the same room with you.
00:03:35.500Needless to say, be on the same political team with you.
00:03:41.380I mean, the guy is a fantasy fiction writer, and he was always – I mean, he was doing the God Emperor thing, like, long past the expiration date.
00:03:49.320When everybody else did that kind of tongue-in-cheek, he was unironically doing it until a few months ago, last time I checked on him.
00:03:59.200But, you know, I think, like me, you don't really – I mean, you know about – we've talked at length about right-wing populism, and people were like, you know, that's another hot take.
00:04:35.500And then this absolute, absolute damn, absolute utter debacle, like, happens, and just proves in spades, like, everything we've been saying.
00:04:52.160Well, I kind of feel like I had some, like, Uncle Vinny who was in the mob, and he had some mob scheme going on, like, you know, behind the scenes, and he wasn't cutting me in on it.
00:05:03.020Like, he was always, like, avoiding me or whatever.
00:05:05.500And then I was like, hey, man, I want a piece of that.
00:05:09.720And then, like, six months later, he's, like, arrested and sent to prison for decades, and I'm like, thank God he cut me out of that shit because I have nothing to do with it.
00:05:22.340Like, all the – like, so many of the people who were like, oh, we blame Richard Spencer for everything.
00:05:27.980He created everything wrong, blah, blah, blah.
00:05:29.480So, you know, it's like, thank – I mean, I would not have involved myself in that nonsense anyway due to principles and ideological reasons.
00:05:38.820But putting that aside, I mean, thank God I have no association with those people.
00:05:45.940Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the – I'm sure, you know, we're on the Joe Biden domestic extremism listening watch.
00:05:55.120But, I mean, they know – I mean, they know – I mean, we were – I mean, that stuff had always been bad.
00:05:59.980But, you know, it was like a light switch flipped after the election, and it got so bad to where we were like – we were like, oh, my God, can you believe – can you believe these retards and these grifters?
00:06:13.460Were these just weird interpretations of reality?
00:06:16.540Like, everything's a deep fake and, like, just bizarre over-analysis of symbol and things like that.
00:06:27.640I mean, I say this as a Mark Brahman devotee.
00:06:30.160I mean, but there – you have to – there must be a logic and symbol to it.
00:06:35.600You can't just go – I mean, you could watch any movie and just turn it into some Kabbalistic, bizarre, like, satanic thing.
00:06:46.300I mean, you can do – you know, it's this over-interpretation of everything and just this, like, disconnect from reality where it's almost like they do live in some
00:06:55.940kind of platonic realm where, you know, it's like everything you see is a lie.
00:07:02.400Like, you know, it's like the true things are behind it.
00:07:11.360And, yeah, but Joe Biden is fulfilling Trump's destiny.
00:07:14.780Like, it's just this unwinding of this stuff to a point where, yeah, I mean, these people who, again, I was friendly with four years ago, I just – I look at this and, like, you can't come back from that.
00:08:29.960And put it – hung in a picture frame, right?
00:08:32.420Because, I mean, that's exactly the sort of attitude.
00:08:34.760Then you have the grifters who prey on all the people who, you know, they're so afraid of black pills that they just can't accept reality.
00:08:44.800They'll – they want to listen to people who's going to tell them, here, that's what – that's how Nick got so big, just like all the other MAGA influencer morons.
00:08:55.360You know, the whole act was, you know – then, of course, Trump trusts Trump, which they did right down until the end, which flew in the face of, like, the evidence of, like, all five years.
00:09:07.420It was from the beginning when he ran in office to his whole presidency to even after the election that you couldn't trust this guy.
00:09:22.320I mean, I don't think Vox Dei will suffer any consequences.
00:09:26.240He'll just be remembered as a bizarre, you know, conspiracy theorist.
00:09:32.020But, yeah, I mean, clearly the grifers are going to suffer serious legal consequences.
00:09:36.940And I think, I mean, to offer a little bit of a defense, I think in many ways they will be fall men for this stuff.
00:09:45.780I mean, all of those people who created the Capitol are fall men.
00:09:49.040And I think the people who were kind of, quote, unquote, organizing them and, you know, leading them and celebrating them and so on, I think they will be fall men too.
00:09:58.980I mean, yeah, I mean, we've already seen how Giuliani and, I think, Raheem Kassam and some people in Bannon's orbit – Bannon got a pardon, by the way.
00:11:05.000So, like, the idea of doing anything selfless or anything for anyone or cause is just completely foreign.
00:11:12.020So, he didn't pardon Julian Assange and Snowden like so many people were encouraging him to do because Mitch McConnell said, oh, if you do that, you know, Trump will convict you in the Senate.
00:11:24.860You don't want to cross us, Trump, because they know he's a narcissist.
00:11:27.740They know he only thinks of himself, and, you know, they relied on that successfully.
00:12:17.620There's this kind of, like, gaggle of people.
00:12:20.080Like, I guess Dave Rubin is maybe the most famous who's kind of part of this, but Tim Poole, Cassandra Fairbanks, and all of these people, like, praising – like, they've never left 2016.
00:12:33.220And so they're, like, praising Trump as the anti-war candidate.
00:12:38.040And, oh, Trump is going to overturn the establishment by pardoning Assange.
00:12:43.320There was never – I mean, there was never any chance he was going to ever do that.
00:12:49.740And it's like, oh, Trump kept us out of all these wars, all these, like, hypothetical wars that were about to be started, that Trump is the anti-war candidate.
00:13:00.400He reshuffled military units in existing areas.
00:13:06.600He was variously praised by important neoconservative people, including John Bolton, who, of course, ended up condemning him, but variously praising him, using him.
00:14:41.340Somewhere right in the mix of all this.
00:14:42.740So, he got all that money from Sheldon, doesn't – but I think his wife – it's not going to change because his wife was the one who was handing out all the stuff from his fortune.
00:14:59.940Getting back in the Iran deal is – I mean, my plan for the Biden administration, as I announced on Twitter, is I would, you know, identify the good and praise the good and identify the bad.
00:16:34.880So, but, yeah, today was COVID day, and, you know, he issued 10 executive orders.
00:16:42.980I wrote something about that this evening, and it was – I skimmed through it.
00:16:47.580I looked through it, and it was basically, like, we're going to create – we're going to mobilize FEMA to do community vaccination centers.
00:17:02.080But what it ultimately amounted to is, like, we're going to ask nicely for people to wear masks, and we're going to try to get the vaccine out as fast as possible through pharmacies and through these distribution centers.
00:17:16.000He's like, okay, you're telling me the National Guard isn't going to show up at my house and drag me out of my house and, you know, pull my pants down and inject the vaccine right in my ass,
00:17:30.000and I have to have a COVID vaccine passport.
00:17:31.880It turns you into a gay frog just right in the day.
00:17:34.620It turns you into a gay frog, and we're also going to have a – you know, I mean, a lot of these guys, I think Morgoth is one.
00:17:46.440We've been having some little exchanges through Twitter, but you know, they're having some kind of national lockdown in the U.K., right?
00:17:52.800So, like, there was – the word lockdown didn't even – I'll look through Joe Biden's COVID plan.
00:18:01.340The word lockdown – there's not going to be any kind of federal lockdown, and nothing's really changing, right?
00:18:11.120And I think Joe Biden will benefit from this because, you know, I have heard some reports on, you know, the Trump administration stumbled with the vaccine or something.
00:18:28.480You know, a huge amount of logistics, and then you have a huge amount of people who are anti-vaxxers, and it's just –
00:18:33.700It's a very difficult task, but I do think that Biden will benefit from this, just purely due to timing because this, you know, COVID is a real thing, but it's also going to go away.
00:18:49.260I mean, even before the germ theory of disease, you know, people would, you know, separate and do things – do some things that were totally counter-effective or not effective at all, and then they would do some things that were actually good.
00:19:05.060I mean, these pandemics do go – come in waves, and they go away.
00:19:09.740I mean, I do think that maybe by August or September, we might even be thinking a little bit about normal.
00:19:16.720I mean, I don't think anything will ever go back to the way it was, but I do think that this will end.
00:19:21.680I mean, I'm not, like, a COVID doomsayer, but that's going to be after half a million deaths at least.
00:19:32.240Half a million deaths next month, probably, like, another – I would – if I had to guess, I think it would get – I think it'll get up to, like, around 600,000, maybe.
00:19:42.660But it'll start – I mean, once we get to March, it'll start, like, tapering, kind of coming down some, I think, just because of the weather.
00:19:52.280I mean, Trump was an idiot for saying that, but, like, you know, there's a flu season.
00:19:56.480And then of more – and not just that, but also more and more and more people will be getting the vaccine, and more and more people have been infected, and it's just going to burn it.
00:20:05.040It's just going to – what's going to happen is going to be like any other virus. It's going to burn itself out, and it'll take a bunch of people, like it has been doing.
00:20:13.400It's really been accelerating the last – since the election, I think the death toll has, like, over doubled.
00:20:20.000Most people have died in the last – in fact, I want to say 100,000 people died last month, and the focus is on, like, the capital siege, right?
00:20:29.880Like, 100,000 people died, and, like, no one even cares.
00:20:36.900And one police officer dies, and a fat woman gets trampled, and that's the end of the world.
00:20:55.560Let me add quick into this hot take in here.
00:20:59.360So we're obviously engaging in speculation, so don't get too mad at me if I'm wrong about this, but I will go out into a limb and say that – I mean, this is a – crazy – this is an outlandish take.
00:21:16.100I will go out onto a limb and say that QAnon is not going away, that QAnon will weirdly benefit from Trump's loss, that it will be institutionalized and literally become a religion.
00:22:41.880I mean, Messiah is a warlord at some level.
00:22:47.040I mean, it is a – someone who will free Jews from oppression.
00:22:51.220I mean, it's also – and in Isaiah, he's – Jesus is – or rather, the Messiah is also someone, you know, where the lion will lie down at the lamb and led by a child and so on.
00:23:00.700So there were, like, deeply Christian, as we know it now, kind of elements in the Old Testament.
00:23:06.540But, you know, he – Jesus was crucified, and that idea of, like, a kingdom will come.
00:23:13.860Like, at one day, like, Trump will return, and the patriots will be proven right.
00:23:19.920And so, I mean, I know this – maybe this even kind of is a little bit edgy towards you, and that's not how it's meant.
00:23:26.520I'm trying to look at this rationally and objectively.
00:23:28.720But I don't think – I am in the camp of QAnon is not going away, and it will be – it will become a recognizable religion and maybe even institutionalized.
00:23:43.680Yeah, I think maybe we just can't see that forehead.
00:23:47.900I mean, we talked about, like, how this right-wing populist – we talked about how this right-wing populist stuff is just constantly evolving.
00:23:56.560So, I mean, we don't – I mean, the question was always what was going to be – after Trump is gone, what becomes of MAGA, what becomes of QAnon, what becomes of America first?
00:24:10.820Does all that get shattered and reassembled into something new that just hasn't materialized yet?
00:24:24.620I mean, and it remarkably cratered in the era of polarization because, you know, earlier presidents like George Herbert Walker Bush would go from, like, 90 to 30 or some huge swing.
00:24:38.140But that was when there was a more unified country, and there was kind of churn in voting.
00:24:43.700You know, people would, oh, I'll vote for a Democrat this year, or I'll split my ticket, or I like this guy, I'll vote for him.
00:24:49.760You know, now we're hyper-polarized, and that leads to a certain stability where, you know, there's – 40% of the country would never vote for Barack Obama if their life depended upon it, you know.
00:25:01.960And even within that context, he cratered, and down to close to George W. Bush levels at the end of his term.
00:25:51.440Because, you know, Trump's been the center of the universe for five years, and now, like, he's just this, that old discredited boomer in Mar-a-Lago who, look how he went out, right?
00:26:06.480He pardoned a bunch of Jewish criminals and black rappers, condemned his own base, threw his own base onto the city, got everyone to come to D.C. to risk their lives for him, let them down.
00:26:21.440Let the Democrats be the judge of all these people.
00:26:27.980He literally got banned from everything, the whole internet, and I think he's still getting banned from stuff like banks.
00:26:38.180No one even, no major network covered his farewell address.
00:26:44.460Like, remember, you know, CNN, even Fox News was like, yeah, we're not putting that on air.
00:26:48.860You know, impeached, impeached in a waiting Senate trial.
00:26:54.440So, like, it's been a swift, I mean, I mean, just, I mean, I mean, they just, okay, they just deleted the guy on Twitter.
00:27:01.200And then everything, and then he got impeached, and then, you know, everybody, then the great disappointment set in with Q.
00:27:52.880It felt like, it felt, it felt like, it felt like waking up every day and just being angry that, you know, you just have this little black cloud over you and how it's going.
00:28:04.940So, I feel like I'm, I can finally move on from that.
00:28:08.660Then we got all the, then we got all the crazy liberals who were just absolutely, I mean, we thought it was bad in our community.
00:28:14.320But, man, did he ever drive those people insane?
00:28:17.400And they're having withdrawals from Trump being the center of the universe, although they're kind of ecstatic that Biden is in there.
00:28:27.660Although, I mean, it's just not going to be the same with, I mean, I mean, they've LARPed as, you know, the heroic, they've been thinking themselves as the resistance to literal fascism for, for four years now.
00:28:41.120So, and literally, he's just, literally, he's just voted out and he's just banned from everything and then just throws his base into the bus and quits and leaves.
00:28:50.980That was, that was, that was, that was fascism, right?
00:28:53.760And meanwhile, like all of Washington, D.C. is turned into a literal police state in order to deal with a bunch of magotards who just went home.
00:29:10.400So Q, Q, Q, Q, of course, Q being, you know, imploding, all the, the whole conspiracy theory internet, um, is in turmoil with Alex Jones attacking Q, Alex Jones being on the hook for all this crap.
00:29:25.500Just the, by the day, more and more damaging things keep coming out about the America first movement.
00:29:33.980Like how the, the, the girl, the girl who's wearing the Goyper shirt when it was accused of going into Pelosi's office and stealing her the laptop.
01:04:44.760Well, what was it, what was I going to say?
01:04:47.640Um, well, the shot with the comprehensive immigration reform is this, this round is different in that, like, I mean, they, you know, they've been, they've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for 20 years, 15, at least 20, at least 15 years.
01:05:02.580And every time they do it, they'll be like, okay, we got all this, we'll have this virtual fence.
01:05:09.640We have all, we're promising you all this enforcement crap, right?
01:05:12.880Well, this time, well, this time it's like just a straight up, a straight up amnesty.
01:05:19.100There's, there's not, not even a fig leaf of enforcement, right?
01:05:24.080Well, you might ask, well, how, how, how, how, how is it possible for them to pass what they want to do with 51 votes?
01:05:35.000Because as long as, okay, they're sending a bill to, they're going to pass the, of course it'll pass the House.
01:05:42.880And it'll even be controversial in the House because some Democrats might vote against it, but that raises a thin majority.
01:05:49.040And they're going to send this bill over to the Senate that doesn't even have a fig leaf of enforcement with, okay, when they, when they passed this, when they passed the Senate last time, there were 52 Democrats and two independents that affiliated with it.
01:06:23.540So literally the only way, the only possible way they could ever pass this comprehensive, this is, okay, this is the, the, the big thing that people are scared about.
01:06:33.100The only way they can possibly pass that is if they get rid of the filibuster.
01:06:37.600There's absolutely no other way with 50 votes in Kamala Harris tie-breaking to, uh, pass that without getting rid of the filibuster.
01:06:47.920Now, of course, I was under the impression that, okay, well, number one, like Joe Manchin and Sinema have said that they're not going to get rid of the filibuster, right?
01:06:58.640So they don't have the votes to get rid of it.
01:07:02.140Um, there's been some kind of negotiations going on between McConnell and Schumer over the filibuster.
01:07:09.860And, and the latest is that the Democrats are not committed to keeping the filibuster.
01:07:15.120They might try to get rid of it, which if they could get Sinema and Manchin on board, then they could do all this.
01:07:23.020The chances of that happening are extremely unlikely.
01:07:25.380They're just, from what I, from what I took out, took of it, they're just using that as a threat.
01:07:30.400Like, oh, we'll get rid of the filibuster if you're not reasonable on our agenda.
01:07:34.540So they're not really planning to get rid of it.
01:09:07.600Where they only need a simple majority plus one to pass like a big thing like Obamacare, the tax cuts, basically what Trump did and what Obama did.
01:09:19.560And the plan was to pass the big stimulus package like that that would include the $2,000 and the $15 minimum wage.
01:09:26.680Although now they're saying – now they're backtracking in that.
01:09:31.600They're saying, oh, we're not going to use budget reconciliation.
01:09:33.860We're going to work with the Republicans on that.
01:09:37.980So it's like, yeah, you think they're going to go along with that $15 minimum wage?
01:10:19.720Like your own voters want this, including conservative voters.
01:10:25.120Well, I mean the top – like I said, I mean I posted this like three or four times.
01:10:29.960There's a chart out which shows the public's priorities and then like all this other crap.
01:10:34.500Like there's like four huge things is like distribute the vaccine, common sense, pass a big COVID relief package, common sense, and restore the economy is like the other thing.
01:11:11.440Those are the three or four – but they're not working on that.
01:11:14.060They're talking about all this – they made the topic of discussion transgender locker rooms crap.
01:11:26.700It just seems like – like I said, like I was – like I kind of wrote something like yesterday.
01:11:32.940I was like – you know, I was kind of thrown back about less as like, you know, this is not the right way to start off an administration.
01:11:41.760They should completely focus on the stuff that's really popular and build support instead of immediately going with like we're going to pass the biggest amnesty ever.
01:11:50.520We're going to – we're going to do the transgender locker room stuff.
01:11:54.740It's like, well, let's pull from our most – you know, our package of most unpopular ideas ever conceived in the Democrat Party and go with that.
01:12:06.740Again, it's like do – start to – do the $2,000, do Medicare for all, do – obviously do the vaccine, do a $15 minimum wage, and you're a hegemonic party.
01:12:46.140Like, again, my long-term prediction is that if there is going to be immigration reform, it is going to look like the Rays Act, and it will ironically be implemented by Democrats.
01:12:56.240Much like Obamacare was Romney Care and Heritage Foundation Care before it became socialism or whatever.
01:13:03.140But, yeah, just soft pedal the immigration thing and just do basic stuff that reaches people where they are and basically maintain that center where you're going to still have hyperpolarization and, like, Tea Party people and MAGA fans or whatever.
01:13:20.720But if you can just maintain that center, you can get 325 electoral votes indefinitely.
01:13:28.760And that's how you hegemonically rule the country.
01:15:08.440I mean, it's clearly a common sense way forward.
01:15:11.140The other thing is that Tucker Carlson, I know for a fact, is aware of all this stuff.
01:15:18.780Tucker Carlson clearly was kind of channeling the alt-right.
01:15:22.640At one point, he was certainly channeling the America First crowd.
01:15:28.680We know his chief writer, the guy who at least claimed that every single thing that came out of Tucker's mouth was at least written by, one draft of it was at least written by him.
01:15:40.740It was this Dartmouth grad and kind of griper type.
01:15:44.000I actually noticed when he was unmasked, I looked him up.
01:15:53.840He had blocked me originally, and then he came back.
01:15:57.100I think he got banned, and he came back, and he was following me.
01:16:00.040On my last account, I don't know if it's my new one, but we started the Huey Long thing.
01:16:05.240I was sharing the polls, and there was this poll that came out like two or three days ago, right, and it was like – it was a poll on the media, and it's like, yeah, and like something like 60 – it was like 67%, 75% issue.
01:16:20.620The media just flat out lies to people, right, and promotes its agenda.
01:16:25.120Also, second question, yeah, the economic system in this country is completely rigged to favor the rich and powerful.
01:16:31.820Something like 70% to 80% of the public agrees with this, and then on the issues of the $2,000 checks, the debt relief, like the whole Huey Long program, right, we haven't raised the issue of the wealth cap, but I mean, hell would that be popular, right?
01:16:50.700No one's talking about a cap, like – say I'm going to run for president.
01:16:55.320The centerpiece of my – like Huey Long says, the centerpiece of my agenda is the redistribution of wealth, and I'm running on a constitutional amendment that will place a cap on fortune.
01:17:09.900So let's put it like somewhere in like the $50 million range.
01:17:12.980So all these guys who are worth, say, $20, $30 billion, they're going to have to get one hell of a haircut, right?
01:17:19.400I mean, can you imagine how angry – if something like that caught on, and is the political environment ever ripe for it in the aftermath of Trump?
01:17:37.900If something like that gained traction – like remember how angry they were, like you were an evil racist.
01:17:44.180It's like, okay, well, you're really not going to like me now.
01:17:46.700Yeah, we're actually – we're actually coming for the money this time.
01:17:53.140The thing that really matters, accounts for more than – that's the source of their – that's the source of all their power, right?
01:17:59.200Well, I mean, what would Sheldon – what would Sheldon Adelson be without like all those billions of dollars?
01:19:40.120And so like – and you've got all these people who just don't own anything.
01:19:46.160So you need more than just say we're going to have protectionism, immigration restriction, a peaceful foreign policy.
01:19:57.520You add wealth redistribution to that and a couple other things.
01:20:01.200Like, say, turn big – like, I read a – there was an article by – and you've also got to think this is kind of like developing organically.
01:20:10.660Because both Josh Hawley and Trump have already stumbled into this.
01:20:14.740Like, in December, they both stumbled and they saw the polls.
01:20:18.080Yeah, to go back to something that I've stressed before, I do think that Trump really stumbled out of the gate.
01:20:27.700And he stumbled out of the gate under the advice of Steve Bannon to basically re-embrace the conservative movement and the Republican establishment.
01:20:37.180And the – you know, even though I agree this is a difficult trick to pull off, Trump could have successfully worked with Chuck and Nancy on infrastructure and basically done kind of like protein versions of what we're talking about in that right out of the gate.
01:20:59.800So you do like, oh, we're doing the wall because it's part of infrastructure.
01:21:03.040We're going to rebuild infrastructure.
01:21:04.800We're going to do some kind of Medicare for all thing, which was – which, again, he wrote about that in his books about how he supported that.
01:21:11.880So this is not just me projecting my own desires upon him.
01:21:17.080And, you know, infrastructure he loves.
01:21:19.900That's his bread and butter from the, you know, 80s.
01:21:22.960Medicare for all, he explicitly supported and published material.
01:21:27.660Throw in the wall, throw in some kind of immigration reform, dump Paul Ryan and the conservative establishment, maintain the alt-right as his kind of media force, like his attack dogs and, you know, God-emperor saying lunatics.
01:22:03.580Like, it ended up in total debacle, which is January 6th.
01:22:09.320Something that just – I mean, and COVID.
01:22:12.080The whole idea of denying COVID is going to – that is going to be a stain forever.
01:22:17.500And then the January 6th is just like, you know, it's just a dumpster fire.
01:22:24.360I mean, it is going to make sure that no one ever gives him any credit for anything ever.
01:22:32.620And it's just like, I don't – yeah, the total AMNAP victory.
01:22:38.400But, like, you know, it's easy to say these things, but – and it's maybe a bit fatuous, but, like, I would have told you to do this, you know?
01:22:49.200Like, maybe you should have listened to someone besides Steve Bannon.
01:23:16.380He had some kind of podcast out today, and he was talking about all the failures of the Trump era and whatnot.
01:23:24.980And one of the things that's clear, and it's the same thing I've noticed when comparing Trump to Huey Long, is that Trump would go out and have these big rallies, right?
01:23:34.260He'd create an email list and grift off these people.
01:23:38.300He never tried to create an – I mean, he had all these – Trump was – had all those demagogue skills, but never used them to create, like, a mass.
01:23:52.580If he had any intelligence, he would have started organizing all these people into little, like, units and stuff and creating, like, a mass membership machine organization.
01:24:05.400That's what Huey Long did, and Huey was an ideologue, and he created – the way he dominated Louisiana when he was running the state as both its senator and its governor.
01:24:19.420He systematically, like, would replace every single person who criticized him with one of his own men, and he completely dominated that machine and then used that to push everything he wanted through the legislature.
01:24:30.880And he got shot when he was trying to get rid of a judge down there.
01:24:35.060But, yeah, that's what Trump should have done.
01:24:38.820Trump, instead of destroying his enemies and building –
01:24:41.460No, he brought his enemies into his administration and expected them to be – and just kind of, like, dropped all resistance to them and never tried to organize his base like that.
01:24:52.000And then instead of doing anything policy-wise, fed them these retarded conspiracies until they stormed the Capitol because they believed the storm was coming.
01:25:55.520And it's just, like, nothing actually came out of it.
01:25:59.960But, you know, he could have really organized things, like, organized all of these, you know, like, units and cells and, like, state organizations and so on.
01:26:25.640Would have – Huey Long would – if someone said a bad word about him, would get, like, one of their family members – basically ran with, like, mafia tactics to crush, like, all resistance.
01:26:36.980That's why they said he was, like, a – he was the most effective populist in American history.
01:26:41.160He pushed all kinds of infrastructure and all kinds of stuff through the state legislature.
01:26:44.740But, I mean, imagine if we had someone like Trump who had those demagogue skills but who had an ideological framework, who was confident, who built all the units and the organization around on the machine and replaced the people with people loyal to him.
01:27:02.600Who would at least listen to ideologues.
01:27:05.300Like, you know, a demagogue and an ideologue, that's a hard combo.
01:27:09.520But listen to them and not listen to goofballs like Steve Bannon, who just destroyed his – like, and Steve Bannon was playing into QAnon.
01:27:20.140I mean, he was going on his podcast saying, the storm is coming and all – he was playing – he was pushing their buttons.
01:28:30.480And it was really like pushing to a serious, like, platform that was a major – the biggest threat the wealthy had ever seen in this country.
01:28:39.440So if Trump could do – if Trump could have built out on – I mean, he started, like I said, like, at the end of December when he was pushing the $2,000 checks this year, he was starting to build out and go in that direction.
01:28:52.440And so was Josh Hawley, who also pushed – I mean, it was probably just a stunt for Hawley.
01:28:58.500But he should – I'm encouraging – it was an article out today in Mother Jones about him.
01:29:06.040And one of the interesting things about Hawley is that he does – you know, he is very well – you know, he's got a degree in history.
01:29:31.740He should – I think Hawley should definitely go more in this wealth – combine, you know, immigration restriction with the destruction of people like Jeff Bezos and the redistribution of all their wealth.
01:29:45.680And turning big tech into AT&T, that's what it's got to be.
01:29:49.400It's not this Section 230 crap, but make it so where anyone can use big tech platforms like you could make a phone call.
01:30:32.780Oh, yeah, we saw that with the Senate.
01:30:34.040Yeah, I think they're going – they're going to go back to their default setting.
01:30:37.160Yeah, and also with the all-right, you know, I mean, you look back on all that stuff, and a lot of it was like – you know, those guys were just so satisfied with – I mean, it's almost hilarious.
01:30:50.220They're chumps led along by the dog – just give them some – say that, you know, when you have a Muslim ban, right, you know, and they were satisfied with that, even though it was a stunt.
01:31:25.200You can see how people like Roger Stone would – I mean, they would look at people like in the all-right, and they're like, you know, I can play these guys.
01:31:45.820And they were just telling people – I mean, they were singing a siren song, telling people what they wanted to hear and manipulate them.
01:31:52.140Let them write down – and then, I mean, we laughed, but a lot of these guys bought into the – I mean, even stuff that we would consider ludicrous, just false hope and – with the key stuff.
01:32:08.400I mean, it's kind of disappointing people can't see through that shit, but that's a huge liability.
01:32:14.100But, like, you see people falling back on that crap, but it's like, no, we don't need that.
01:32:17.440We need someone who's smart, who's competent, who can build an organization, who's not going to do the chief race baiting, and who's going to really attack the source of the enemy, which is the money.
01:32:29.080Like, that's the vulnerability, right?
01:32:41.680You know, they can fundraise off that, say you're an evil white supremacist hater.
01:32:47.160They can make millions of dollars off that, but when you say, you know what, maybe we should – maybe we should get the Southern Poverty Law Center's endowment and just distribute it to everyone in the area.