RadixJournal - The Cargo Cultist

00:00:00.000 here it is um shots fired by tom rousal who calls himself uh survive the jive

00:00:07.600 and um let me just play these we're being trolled i guess it's what is his way of describing right

00:00:14.460 yes um let me just play this original video and then we can start talking because um mark and i

00:00:22.680 last night we listened to a number of interviews um of survive the jive and we watched some of his

00:00:31.400 presentation we listened to some of his material but we i can't i can't claim to have a sort of

00:00:36.280 deep uh familiarity with all his positions for example but he evidently has no familiarity with

00:00:43.600 our positions so if we happen to miss i guess i don't know i guess i'm not that upset about that

00:00:50.300 um here's his uh here's his comments so he's actually visiting the temple of hephistos um

00:00:58.440 in greece so he's he's on vacation uh interesting certain people on the internet like to make a

00:01:07.040 cult of apollo who's quite distinct from the ancient cult and they regard apollo in a way that would

00:01:12.860 have been quite surprising to any of the people of the time uh when he was actually worshipped

00:01:17.700 because their reason for focusing on apollo above all other gods is they they consider him to be

00:01:24.500 more arian and by that they mean indo-european rather than indo-iranian which is what the word

00:01:32.940 really means but uh they think that i don't know why because he was a god probably imported to

00:01:42.420 greek worship from anatolia um doesn't mean necessarily mean he wasn't an european on origin

00:01:49.920 but uh certainly he's possibly not from europe and of course he's also gay he is a god who is

00:01:57.760 well attested in mythology and as doing gay things so yeah they uh these i if you want to worship apollo 0.78

00:02:06.700 that's fine but i just think um worship apollo the god as he is actually known and not this fake

00:02:13.260 apollo that they just made up uh these kind of people if you don't know who i'm talking about then

00:02:17.960 don't worry about it they're not important anyway but there's just some funny people on the internet

00:02:22.240 who've invented a cult of apollo because they consider that uh and none of these people are greek

00:02:27.460 anyway they're all americans uh likely of british descent and germanic descent who say that odin is

00:02:35.260 invented by the jews and norse mythology is jewish but uh the real god of the northern europeans is apollo

00:02:43.000 and they don't really have any evidence to support that absurd claim but uh they're not the sort of

00:02:50.980 people who really care about evidence um yeah i mean the first thing i have to say about that 0.95

00:03:00.040 richard is uh rent free rent free bitch yes in the guy's head i mean i you know i we don't think 0.99

00:03:07.280 about him i i was unaware of how to pronounce the guy's name before this you know and yet he's such 1.00

00:03:15.000 a pussy he doesn't even mention us by name you know i mean i have to say i i really do dislike that 0.99

00:03:22.040 um the other thing i would um remind tom of of these um they're just people on the internet um i would be 0.98

00:03:32.020 curious how he is not a person on the internet um he has a master's degree in medieval studies um which

00:03:43.660 is great uh he uh does a lot of videos where he takes photography and footage from other sources or

00:03:51.500 stock um sources that i presume he purchases or something and creates these um videos that that

00:04:00.060 seem almost like netflix specials about the you know the history of english paganism or the druids or

00:04:06.980 or or etc that's all fine i i i i've why i remember watching his video on the sky god and zeus

00:04:15.520 et cetera it's it was uh informative if a bit wikipadian um i must say but i don't understand how

00:04:25.740 he is not he's a book reporter he's a book reporter yes it's a book report nationalism i don't understand

00:04:31.740 how he's not an intranet person or he's somehow more important and can't bring himself to mention

00:04:38.600 our names i mean i think uh i think it's safe to say that he's clearly uh addressing this at at mark

00:04:45.100 and myself or maybe maybe i don't know who knows also the broader kind of you know people on twitter

00:04:50.400 who um are associating themselves with uh apolloism etc um but i'll just uh i'll start out with that i've

00:04:59.740 i've never been hostile towards him i've never said an unkind word uh towards him before this but

00:05:06.160 he's he obviously feels uh very threatened um if something is uh ridiculous or something like that

00:05:13.460 it's just a bunch of americans i mean uh coming up with some weird cults about a gay person who they 0.74

00:05:19.560 think is northern european that's uh obviously a um maybe some kernels of the making up a new religion

00:05:26.620 i i think that's something we might want to dilate on but uh it's obviously a a mischaracterization

00:05:32.620 so why are you saying it i mean you know i mean tom surely is intelligent enough to know that he's

00:05:38.380 mischaracterizing us uh so why are you saying this the other curious thing and i'll just add this end

00:05:44.280 to tom because you know and granted i might be doing a little concern trolling myself but uh i i i think

00:05:51.840 he's moved away from this i did a brief uh look through just google searches and and so on about

00:05:59.620 his uh the colleagues he's he's working with but uh he seems to have had a um connection with breg

00:06:06.960 johnson and i think he's moved away from it uh over the past two years i i don't i don't see them

00:06:13.100 collaborating too much but i would remind him that you know homophobia is not tolerated among

00:06:20.480 gay nazi groups uh you know like gray johnson so i i would tread lightly tom um you don't want to 0.77

00:06:28.700 lose those associations with all these wonderful people um but yeah homophobia and gay behavior 1.00

00:06:35.260 like making little snipes like this and not even daring to mention us by name right i mean this this

00:06:41.660 kid also so here's the origin of this uh conflict if you if you can call it that uh tom read some

00:06:49.240 article of mine and this was around the time it was a while ago right and you'll you'll you're better

00:06:54.220 with dates than i am richard so you can fill in the blanks here but so we had that debate it was more of

00:07:00.600 a just a kind of friendly discussion with um stephen mcnell mcnellen who's a yeah the lead odinist

00:07:07.460 in uh not only north america probably the world so he's you know he he is knowledgeable in norse

00:07:14.540 mythology and we had a friendly discussion with him and i put forth my thesis which i don't think

00:07:20.560 is effectively better refuted and i actually think that the thesis has i think that he's actually

00:07:25.300 kind of because i think that he may have reacted to that because we were we were watching a video

00:07:30.900 and it seems that he's now taking a cynical view of snorri strollson right he's kind of like snorri

00:07:37.740 strollson should not really be representative of north smith now right well snorri strollson is where

00:07:43.200 we'd get all our information about north smith he's a primary text of north smith emerging you

00:07:49.880 know uh snorri strollson was himself a christian merchant i think it's probable or possible at least

00:07:55.580 that he was a crypto jew uh if you read um you know and you know in norse mythology itself is a kind

00:08:02.480 of brilliant mythology that i think that was probably invented by jews right i mean that's my thesis and 0.62

00:08:08.620 i think and i have number a number of reasons to back that up um the mythology itself seems to be

00:08:15.420 referential both to the hebrew bible and to the new testament right so for example uh with leviathan

00:08:21.920 we see the equivalent with the midgard serpent they're both kind of slain in ragnarok uh we see uh

00:08:29.220 balder who's recognized by mythographers as being kind of a reference either to adonis or jesus he dies

00:08:34.900 and his death brings about brings about this apocalypse and then he appears at the end of

00:08:40.200 the apocalypse and after all the gods have died i.e paganism has died and now the world is ruled by

00:08:46.860 this one christ-like uh figure named balder uh you know there's uh there's a garden of idin or rather

00:08:54.820 there's a character a goddess named idin who is a goddess of golden apples right and mythographers

00:09:01.660 recognize this as probably being a reference to the garden of eden right uh you know hebrew is

00:09:08.020 discussed in the preference uh in the preface of uh snorri soul uh snorri uh strollsons um opus

00:09:16.260 uh which is the foundation of norse mythology uh the prosetta right so my thesis is this is a strong

00:09:25.120 one and it's the most plausible explanation uh for that myth body uh now he says that i have no

00:09:32.240 evidence for it but there is actually no rebuttal i mean i i'm unaware of him like critiquing my specific

00:09:38.400 art uh um arguments on this point you know uh you know but it's uh it's it's a uh composite myth so

00:09:45.320 it's a derivative of earlier myth bodies including the hebrew bible but also including norse mythology

00:09:50.860 you know it's it's a kind of characteristic work of gem i would argue right yeah and one of the

00:09:56.940 reasons it it doesn't seem like arians should be following it is because uh the god uh odin is an 0.88

00:10:05.720 equivalent has long been recognized even through the medieval period as a equivalent to mercury right

00:10:10.720 he's the kind of proto-jewish god essentially he's a deceiver he's a psychopomp he's um you know he 1.00

00:10:17.940 brings them to valhalla you know he has similarities to jesus as well he hangs on a tree right and if

00:10:24.520 you look at the greek in the new testament uh the the cross is also described as a tree so this is a 0.97

00:10:30.600 reference and this shit is this shit is young right it's relatively young the even the first fixed 0.98

00:10:36.260 rune stone uh in northern europe is like 300 ad right so the influence is coming from christianity 0.99

00:10:42.940 the hebrew bible there's other influences there as well but it's a kind of skilled uh work of symbol

00:10:49.920 uh you know symbolism right it's a it's a symbol wise myth body that's been developed that's

00:10:55.540 referencing earlier myth bodies it's much in the way that other you know earlier myth bodies are

00:11:00.540 developed whether it's greek mythology or the greek myth body and and civil right and and the other

00:11:06.380 thing i should say too is that the claim that i i'm not arguing for example that um

00:11:11.180 the greco-roman religion is is free of like some kind of semitic influence i think that's absurd

00:11:19.240 right i mean i think that i think that there's gem also in the uh the greco-roman myth body as well

00:11:25.620 right yes we're talking about a symbol wise people an intelligent symbol wise people that are certainly

00:11:33.060 more literate uh and able to create something like this than illiterate you know viking barbarians 1.00

00:11:38.640 right uh so this i argue is the origin of the myth body um you know and i think that the claim i think

00:11:47.000 it's the most plausible and i i you know i'm not going to kind of dilate fully and give my full thesis

00:11:52.640 here but that's the kind of general thesis right yeah well let me let me jump in here i mean because

00:11:57.980 we we don't know and there's not going to be i doubt it ever any kind of smoking gun evidence

00:12:05.620 of a claim that um odinism or germanic paganism is is a kind of christianized or or judia judaized

00:12:15.420 myth form there's not going to be smoking gun evidence the way you can well what would be the

00:12:22.000 requirement though what would be the requirement for that well some letter would we need a time

00:12:26.700 machine or a time machine or some diary entry of oh i've really fooled them this time they don't

00:12:34.120 know i'm jewish and that they're worshiping mercury ha ha ha i mean obviously nothing like that is

00:12:39.700 gonna uh is going to be found and so you can use well he's explicitly identified with mercury

00:12:47.020 now the question then tacitus said that the germans in tacitus said that the germans are

00:12:52.160 worshiping mercury and he was writing for a roman hercules right yeah and hercules yeah

00:12:57.320 um yeah but and and also like you can see this in the um i mean this is a very simple example of this

00:13:05.320 but you can see this in the days of the week um in uh french mercredi is is our wednesday uh that's

00:13:13.500 obviously a it's a mercury's day um our day is wednesday and it's a little bit difficult to see it

00:13:20.500 but that that actually is odin's day or voton's day um so this is these you you can see just through

00:13:29.300 something like the days of the week there's this interpretation and connection between odin and

00:13:34.580 mercury i think there's probably some uh interesting connection between odin and bacchus in terms of a

00:13:40.620 god of frenzy and madness uh as well but you know that's uh by and by but i mean this is the way that

00:13:48.980 you can make engage in informed speculation about the past and you can understand that these things

00:13:56.780 are parabolic and that they aren't they aren't like historical documents i mean we can look at jesus

00:14:04.500 christ and see very clear parallels that he is a a figure coming out of the hebrew bible uh isaiah and

00:14:14.860 daniel especially but but all all over the hebrew bible he's also related to david as as the genealogy

00:14:22.680 and and matthew and luke i think say so he's coming out of that text and then you can also look at his

00:14:30.380 deeds and the way he is depicted and begin associating him with other gods it's a god who turns water into

00:14:37.680 wine it's a god who rise who descends into hell and rises again is he connect is he connected on the

00:14:44.860 first case with a god like bacchus um might there be a adonis or dying and rising god quality to him

00:14:52.900 of you know adonis who's you know beloved by aphrodite and he has to die and descend go into 0.81

00:14:59.040 the underworld and visit persephone for a while and they have a love affair and then he comes back again

00:15:05.200 so there's a kind of cyclical and seasonal aspect that you can see that myth repeated in the gospels

00:15:13.460 of jesus christ and just the image of jesus christ that we we've inherited from christianity so no we

00:15:19.720 can't know any of this for certain but we can engage in in in a kind of mythic genealogy so to speak

00:15:28.800 or a kind of informed speculation about where these things are coming from and where uh and and uh and

00:15:37.840 and their kind of evolution and change through connections with pre-existing myths and you can

00:15:43.680 also try to reach a kind of dating process of you know aspects of the hebrew i mean this is the most

00:15:51.640 obvious one but the flood narrative is that a kind of spin on gilgamesh which is assuredly uh um

00:16:01.980 written and propagated uh centuries uh before the hebrew bible can you kind of then start to kind of date

00:16:09.700 these things and see one as a kind of evolution or spinoff or or critique even of earlier myths so this is

00:16:19.700 these are the tools that we have at hand this is the material that we have at hand and this is how we

00:16:25.760 can do things and he's he's also just he's he's like what i see from people like this is that they want

00:16:33.660 to engage in some kind of rehearsal so we were listening to some other uh um interviews by him

00:16:41.300 and he's like well you know i was a try as as a young catholic school boy i was attracted to greek myths

00:16:47.900 and so on but you know i'm not greek and so i have to you know uh you know dedicate myself to english

00:16:53.900 paganism or uh germanic paganism etc and and it's kind of like well no you don't actually you're just

00:17:01.060 engaging in some sort of petty nationalism you know in this way like i i'm gonna engage in the religion

00:17:09.420 of my forefathers and not the christian one of course but i'm gonna go back to this one point that i've

00:17:16.040 discovered and that's true and i'm gonna engage in a kind of rehearsal of what they did um that is

00:17:22.360 entirely unnecessary and indeed in tom's own um you know youtube wikipadian uh videos on the uh the

00:17:35.860 progress of arians uh throughout the ages you see evolution you see movement you see conquest and 0.76

00:17:45.040 domination you see uh ethnic cleansing all over the place this is a people of movement and change and

00:17:55.000 evolution and to fixate on one period in time and then think you're like authentic because you are

00:18:05.460 obsessed with this one moment of our history and that you can't in a way be inspired by other

00:18:13.160 moments or at least recognize that there's transition and change and creatively try to reach

00:18:21.160 something that would resonate with people in the 21st century you just kind of can't do that because

00:18:27.280 it's not authentic i mean i'm just gonna be frank um this reminds me of like goofy dumb civil war 0.77

00:18:36.900 reenactors or just like these goofballs who want to like cling to tradition in an antiquarian fashion 0.90

00:18:46.100 and in the words of nietzsche they they want to they think of history as a way of smelling the furniture 0.77

00:18:52.180 of the past and if he wants to do that and if he wants to engage in i don't know some druid worship

00:18:59.280 or or odinism like like knock yourself out i don't i don't really have a problem with that but let's

00:19:07.920 recognize it for what it is you know next to nothing about what you are practicing and again he is a

00:19:15.000 practicing pagan so i'm not i i'm not like you know insulting him by by claiming that he's just going

00:19:22.880 out of the woods and and you know running around the fire and listening to black metal so he is

00:19:28.520 he is criticizing us practicing pagan you have no earthly idea what actual practices were you can only

00:19:37.480 use and form speculation and you're kind of fixating on this thing as a kind of new mystery cult you know

00:19:45.940 it's like you don't know what this is about you don't know what they're doing you're just rehearsing

00:19:50.980 it and reiterating it without actually like critically evaluating it or oh you know heaven

00:19:58.740 forbid creatively attempting to generate a religion that is actually relevant for people living in the

00:20:07.680 21st century as opposed to goofballs who want to you know reinvent the middle ages or god knows what

00:20:15.300 all right end of rant yeah i mean he's criticizing us essentially for not being a cargo call right

00:20:22.760 because and he doesn't have familiarity with us so if we happen to misrepresent him he's

00:20:28.360 misrepresented us and based on a lack of familiarity it would seem i nowhere do we state or do we aspire

00:20:35.740 to be to be recreating um the apollo cult in some perfect manner i mean we're actually critical 0.95

00:20:42.900 of a lot of a lot of the myths and rituals right and we're looking at them in a kind of critical

00:20:47.840 manner to sort of decipher what their significance is and uh so we're not just going to kind of

00:20:54.800 blindly sort of follow the rituals of ancients uh you know uh in some of these mystery cults because

00:21:02.980 we want to know what the significance of these symbols are and what they mean and

00:21:06.840 in what they signify and their sort of psychic and um spiritual power you know should symbolically

00:21:14.480 is it actually you know something that is healthy for us to be making this ritualistic gesture for

00:21:21.320 example or you know we we want to understand the symbols right so this is a work of deconstruction to

00:21:27.880 some extent a work of analysis and then eventually a work of construction based on

00:21:32.820 uh you know an agreed upon knowledge of symbols uh so that's that's more our project we're not just

00:21:40.760 hoping to kind of like you know uh larp basically as you know people at the temple of delphi

00:21:48.100 you know thousands of years ago you know in rituals that actually can't be recreated because there's not

00:21:56.060 enough information really to kind of piece them together uh in a completely accurate manner i mean

00:22:00.940 they can be roughly sort of recreated but then we have to wonder well you know what is this what do

00:22:05.760 these symbols represent what does this symbolism represent do we are we interested in recreating it

00:22:10.780 what is it saying you know and i and i think that it can these symbols can be understood and i for

00:22:18.860 example i think that jews are a symbol wise group and i think that they understand their religion you

00:22:24.200 know it might be mysterious to us but i think that they you know not all jews of course understand their

00:22:28.760 religion and probably the majority of jews don't understand their religion but i think that there

00:22:32.880 is a kind of core of knowers gnostics whatever term you want to use who understand their religion

00:22:39.420 and if you're going to practice religion you should understand your religion uh so that's more of our

00:22:45.460 project and he's ignorant of what our project is um and uh you know the so the guy's claiming in he 0.98

00:22:53.720 he's i mean the the his critique is so primitive and stupid i i just don't even really know where to 0.95

00:23:01.280 begin uh so uh he's saying that um you know we're americans so that we shouldn't be practicing 0.97

00:23:08.560 you know a mediterranean religion for example but he says in the same critique that it's well it may

00:23:14.540 have started in anatolia right i don't know if that's accurate but if it started in anatolia

00:23:20.100 it was indo-european or it was arian whatever term now he's getting fussy about this term arian right

00:23:26.480 uh which is a completely valid and legitimate term um though i think actually the better term is

00:23:33.200 apollonian i would advocate for the term apollonian uh but i think it's it's certainly a kind of

00:23:39.700 sufficient term and it describes what we're getting at and it is a racial um characterization

00:23:45.620 uh of apollo apollo is a blonde god a hyperborean god a northern invader he's described very clearly

00:23:53.900 in physical terms as an arian figure uh northern descended hyperborean more clearly than any of the

00:24:00.980 gods in the norse myth right i mean again uh odin appears to be a kind of semitic figure thor as well

00:24:08.660 i would say as a semitic figure and i would say that the myth genealogy there he derives uh ultimately

00:24:15.680 from an idean cult on crete most likely uh as a dactyl there named hercules who will then become

00:24:22.880 the familiar hercules who is the hero wearing the club he starts off as a a smithforged dwarf of sorts 0.99

00:24:29.820 an attendant of vulcan so an equivalent to vulcan and this accounts for the hammer that thor will have

00:24:35.980 later in the midst in the norse mythology and this transition uh you know uh this kind of

00:24:41.420 this transition from hercules worship to uh thor worship happens during the migration period where

00:24:48.560 we see um the clubs of thor being replaced by the or rather the clubs of hercules being replaced by the

00:24:56.300 hammers of thor it happens during a period of christianization actually in fact uh yeah and i make

00:25:03.440 the argument that the norse myth may represent a kind of um you know christian rock a way of

00:25:10.280 getting you know a kind of more badass myth to kind of uh indoctrinate uh these barbarians in a kind of

00:25:17.740 more subliminal fashion toward christianity christian rock is a really good yeah you know i mean that's a

00:25:25.260 kind of theory as to you know why this developed why this exists you know i mean so it becomes a way of

00:25:30.260 like you know getting them comfortable with a hanging god essentially which is what christ is

00:25:35.920 right so in the idea that odin is a hanging god predates jesus it's just ridiculous i mean it's

00:25:41.980 just like a cope it's just a cope you know i mean and it's like you know i and honestly i you know we're

00:25:48.740 all descended from barbarians you know even jews of course at some point are descended from barbarians 1.00

00:25:53.980 but they also but they're a more urban people and they've been at urban people for a longer period

00:25:59.520 of time and they're myth bearers and they're kind of skilled at the development of parable and the use

00:26:04.840 of symbol i mean you just got to give them credit you know i mean and uh and so this is most likely

00:26:11.460 what's occurring um with this myth body and you know in in i don't know i i guess the guy has now

00:26:17.180 backed off snorri straws right so i i don't know if he's still promoting thor or not i don't know what the

00:26:23.240 guy's doing i think he's retreated into like studying the most primitive manifestation of

00:26:28.520 these sort of proto-indo-europeans or these proto-aryans uh and so he's studying you know

00:26:35.760 our ancestors at at their kind of most primitive point which is interesting from a kind of 0.94

00:26:41.480 archaeological perspective i mean the guy you know didn't want to fuck with me ever then that would 0.96

00:26:46.100 be fine i think the guy can yeah we don't have a problem yeah i don't have that yeah that's cool 0.73

00:26:50.400 yeah you know that stuff's interesting but it's like if you're presenting that as a kind of ideal

00:26:55.260 that we should revert to like you know step tribes these barbaric step tribes or whatever 0.94

00:27:01.180 that we should just go for drug mode i mean is that you know and this is something that nietzsche

00:27:05.360 warned against this idea of vikingism is what he called it but he's yeah he's he seems to be 0.77

00:27:11.860 promoting a kind of primitivism or barbarianism which is just grug dumb you know i mean yeah that's

00:27:19.400 that's my my sense of it yeah you know so he's saying apollo's from anatolia uh you know who who

00:27:26.760 knows that may be the case no one really knows he's an arian figure as i've already described in

00:27:31.240 in certainly in the greco-roman context as he develops his figure apollo or you know but there

00:27:36.800 are earlier precedents of in sumerian myth for example we have a shamash who's a sun god his name

00:27:43.540 actually is still in the hebrew right it's the word for sun in the hebrew and um he's a he's in

00:27:50.740 early form he's a kind of proto-apollo he's got the chariot whole whole deal right so uh and

00:27:58.620 but certainly as he develops and there as well i would argue as well but you know he develops into

00:28:07.460 a kind of arian figure he's he was equated by herodotus with uh raw and horus and these sun

00:28:13.120 gods he has a solar aspect to him he's arian figure um but yeah so the idea that we're in america so yeah

00:28:20.040 let's say let's say he was from anatolia but then he ended up in greece and he ended up in rome

00:28:27.020 and then he was worshipped in different forms by the gulls and but you know by the germans

00:28:33.460 right so it seems like the god got around he was moving around uh religions are also portable of

00:28:41.400 course i mean there are christians in america but you know jesus was in ancient uh jerusalem and

00:28:48.720 gal uh galilee so how's that work i mean shouldn't shouldn't only people that live in galilee

00:28:55.120 because we're american should we embrace yeah native american spirituality or something i mean

00:29:00.940 yeah i mean it's the guy is just not coherent basically i mean he's kind of mindless i mean 0.96

00:29:07.700 you know he's he's he acts kind of pretentious and like he's a badass but it's kind of dumb i mean 0.90

00:29:12.800 his critique is very dumb uh if i'm being honest you know and i think that he's getting irritated by us 0.95

00:29:19.660 because people are saying oh brahman's got some interesting ideas what do you think and they're 0.99

00:29:24.000 spamming the guy's chat or something so now the guy's getting pissed off

00:29:27.080 you know i mean good yeah yeah uh we're here to stay we're gonna take over dude sorry uh and the 0.97

00:29:34.100 other thing his other critique um about apollo being homosexual gay because you know a lot of 0.99

00:29:40.600 the grugs that follow his content that are like yeah we should return to being step idiots or whatever 0.99

00:29:45.460 uh so those people you know who are interested in these pre-civilizational religions for which we 0.98

00:29:53.360 have almost no knowledge right you know forget about reconstructing rome and greece where there

00:29:58.640 were actual civilizations where people built temples that we still have today and they weren't just like

00:30:05.380 you know i mean i don't want to go to like um e michael jones here but you know it was a relatively

00:30:11.540 primitive barbaric conditions in northern europe at that point right and uh you know in in he's it seems

00:30:19.580 like he wants to kind of veer more in that direction uh where and and i think again he's

00:30:26.100 moved off the north stuff or or at least snorri strollson which is you know the bible it's the source

00:30:32.740 it's the main source of that stuff um so he's moved off that and now he's talking about um you know these

00:30:41.080 basically these carvings and tombs of solar wheels and like so now he's i mean at least he's kind of

00:30:46.800 like you know so all our takes are are picked up at some point by other people in the dr they

00:30:52.900 eventually come to us right so he's leaning into the solar cult now um and uh yeah you know but it's

00:31:00.740 primitive and uh there's the they're not people that are civilizational you know civilizational

00:31:07.680 people so they're not kind of imitable people you know unless you're one of these kind of dr like 0.98

00:31:12.740 collapsed terrians and think that we should like you know move out into the woods and abandon the 0.99

00:31:18.520 political struggle with this sort of thing uh you know that might be your position and uh but it is a

00:31:24.800 it is a grug level position and you know and it's not you know you know in religion you know we look

00:31:33.020 at christianity for example christianity clearly had a kind of uh religio-political goal ultimately

00:31:40.600 uh as does judaism and uh you know and it manifested it as something powerful in the world

00:31:46.400 um and that seems like a good goal for religion to be power seeking uh to be involved in civilization

00:31:53.680 and the construction of civilization and culture uh and to uh work towards the amelioration

00:32:01.080 and survival of positive forms of culture and civilization that should be the goal of religion it

00:32:07.420 shouldn't be just you know retreating out into the woods and um getting a bunch of grugs like about

00:32:12.940 some you know uh you know caveman carvings uh you know so i mean i i think that uh we it is true we

00:32:21.480 are not alike tom you and i um we're not alike uh the uh and but to address the homosexual question 0.92

00:32:29.600 right because this is the thing that this is his real like a gotcha oh tom are you were there gay 0.88

00:32:35.740 guys in greece come on dude no there weren't gay guys in greece that's impossible yeah we were aware 0.92

00:32:41.860 that there were homosexuals in greece and we were aware that there uh is a kind of pederastic

00:32:46.520 there was a cult of pederasty in greece as well that had an origin especially in crete and also

00:32:54.580 thebes and we don't consider that origin to be arian uh to be uh gentle about it um and so and that

00:33:05.060 represents a kind of period of time in greek history and there was a pre-period when that

00:33:10.040 wasn't practiced um but we look at some of the myths some of some of the myths which appear to

00:33:15.840 have a kind of semitic inflection or influence including homer right including um the homeric 0.99

00:33:23.200 hymns uh there's messaging in there that essentially fits gem uh you know this is the kind of cleverness

00:33:30.000 and and intelligence of these what we would call proto-jews i think at that point um uh so that 0.70

00:33:36.960 they're they're involved early on in the development of greek culture now a at what point you know are

00:33:45.240 they there at the formation of for example the cult of apollo or the cult of zeus uh you know it's

00:33:51.900 possible certainly uh or do these represent kind of corruptions of an earlier development that's

00:33:57.900 also possible i mean certainly what we do see there in the cult of zeus and uh um apollo is that

00:34:05.720 we see uh the earth mother gods and thonic serpent gods are overthrown for uh figures that represent

00:34:14.140 arians essentially uh that have uh you know there are sky gods celestial eye gods celestial sky gods um

00:34:20.980 that represent arians and uh that that is clear apollo being one of them um all right so the the

00:34:27.960 cultic uh padaresti it is it is something that develops in greece of course but you know these

00:34:32.860 things actually develop when you have a civilization when you actually have power in the world you you do

00:34:39.380 develop these kind of uh decadent aspects of your civilization over a period of time uh there's also

00:34:44.600 something called civilizational decline uh where these things develop you know these kind of maladies

00:34:50.000 you could argue right uh so i mean you know think before you talk dude because the other thing too

00:34:56.640 i would say about you tom is that tom you know you came in and attacked my argument and i said uh okay

00:35:02.960 cool let's get on a stream and have a friendly cordial discussion of this you fled you fled right tell 0.99

00:35:10.200 your barbarian brothers that dude and um you know hail apollo bitch 1.00

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RadixJournal - October 11, 2023

The Cargo Cultist

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